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your garage turned taproom slash workspace

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the giant workbench made of

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prey world war two mild steel is

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exactly where i'm standing right now i

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love this thing it's a piece with any was

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pretty soon you'll have some acoustic to they're

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hundred a knockout

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i kind of like

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via the short reflection reverb

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you're getting

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it certainly makes the feedback part a

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lot easier if

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is yeah ruin so ruin short order the

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there will be across to prevent here so for the oil

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you're gonna you're gonna the luxury

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of or my my voice am a sucker

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for used to be about it comes from bailey who says a have

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been listening for quite a while now and have not heard

5:24

any references the awesome music you play throughout

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the podcast i'm trying to figure out what genre

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it might fall under i would call it

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so called surf rock instrumental but

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not finding anything close on streaming lists

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drew i assume these are your selections

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sometimes so

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how does sound like a ukulele was fit the style

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very well would be nice to lose some the

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earth and the show notes and be able to get an idea of someone

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who's this musicals side

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note there was a tune played at the end of a show during

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the holidays last year that was outstanding is

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my new favorite song of the holiday season as definitely

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hit with family and friends and he and for

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would be appreciated i know there is now

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i will have to get that going

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than your as the name said bally's

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wrong i choose some the music for the brew

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files but all the music you hear here is

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pretty much chosen by dennis yeah we we subscribe

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to a music library and i go

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through the roof smile downloads new

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stuff and yep surf rock is

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pretty much the genre we decided on

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when we when , started

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the show show i

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can't really tell you who in his yard sorbitans

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i don't really know and you probably

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to the same music library the

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one i can say those the holiday saw

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is known as booty of the bells

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and i think greece and or on you tube or

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something like that also the up that all yeah

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so so that's author of the other stuff

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are you know he's and searched and searched and searched

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by i don't think he was in a find it anywhere

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but i'm so happy you like it is i was pretty

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litter last episode had ,

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been said to myself wow this is cool music

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i really like this so we're so

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what will keep it up and hopefully

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gets new stuff in there every once in awhile

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for you as well as i said little

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at

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you know stingers on the brew files because

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it's fun the

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write an article or last piece of feedback

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comes from john horn who says i was listening

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to your fairly recent podcast where you interviewed

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wilde parrot just had to give a shout out

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to as mentioned of tom hennessy and his brewery named

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colorado boy a group of montrose

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colorado and tom open to second bury their

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a number of years ago our

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boy is arguably the best murray on the western

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slope of colorado com ela

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awesome philosophy when it comes to bring sort

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of a saint somewhere meets colorado meets

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the uk vibe it can

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only survive always

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always enjoyed listening and doesn't recommend engineering

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tom if you get the opportunity cheers

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john p us ridgeway colorado

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is the home of the grammy all grammy

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awards are produced in this tiny mountain town

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and the hippies that make them are set a price

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cross the street from the original colorado burst out

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a boy bird i'm like

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okay so that's pretty cool about the grammys and

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yeah i would want to talk to tom because

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the that vibe sounds perfect me

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and also a wild period update wilde

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parent has officially announced when they are opening they

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will be opening september twenty third and twenty

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fifth so set the calendars

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about of talk little bit so drew

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give it away if the beer that were having

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is that little facile sierra

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nevada pale ale

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beer the which i say yum day

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edits the beer that define what

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an american pale ale is it is

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the standard it is the

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exemplar the the avatar of

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the holding cell if you make yourself a beer

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and called a pale ale and i drink it

11:02

i'm probably going to be comparing my mind at least

11:04

two sierra nevada pale ale and

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i don't know it just the

11:09

other day when i was out the grocery store and

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there was like no for something hobby and my don't

11:14

really have really beer home that's home that's right now because

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the bruise been out of business and

11:20

sure enough there is little sierra nevada i hadn't bought

11:22

the pale ale and forever know damn day and

11:25

as with all those verses are related i

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went in went in the date codes always

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reykjavik codes and of our store people to commence really

11:32

with hoppy beers and the

11:34

sierra nevada was a month old so

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as i yep that's well within my time code

11:38

so i wouldn't i grabbed it poured myself a

11:40

glass and i always forget how

11:43

do a damn good appear that is yeah

11:45

it's m use just amazingly

11:48

good and is perfect you

11:50

i could not think of anything better to do

11:53

to make appeal in

11:55

is really simple and straightforward it's

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pale malt it's crystal six

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the it it's cascade hops

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here it's good old chico

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aliens ah i

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mean m s and that's it when it's

12:09

how they do it the matters

12:11

or i had a a

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to taste right

12:16

off the submitter when i was there

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, camp a few years back back

12:21

it's just it it's remarkable

12:23

in the first you did the better it is but

12:25

even you know if it's older

12:27

than the month old the drew gasps this

12:29

is the beer that is the standard for

12:32

a militant pale ale

12:34

that's all of it but i think the big

12:36

of shut out of all that is remember folks

12:38

drink them that brought yeah

12:40

yeah right

12:43

this is this is the beer the canada find

12:45

it or everybody else is trying

12:47

to these are live up to it or

12:49

figure out some way to us

12:51

make there's different enough so that doesn't get

12:54

compared to it i also

12:56

want to point out for all of you people who don't

12:58

know kill my mouth to mouth

13:01

insecure on the mall guess caramel month

13:04

yeah i do think it's funny because instinctively

13:09

for railroad like my gut reaction

13:11

beats know and i'd put on just a little

13:13

less colonel he are done

13:16

again not gonna mess

13:18

with some as close to concerned about available

13:20

yeah you know if

13:23

, put less caramel or even when

13:25

it's not the same beer anymore in

13:27

his we've just decided this beer

13:29

is perfect and why would you want to change because

13:32

old admittedly

13:35

so but still you know enough western

13:38

rhapsodic about the bill it's so let's move

13:40

on to other things

13:41

wow and from a beer that is defined

13:44

about it's hops we got a job or to hop and briscoe

13:46

i know we're going to be doing an interview from

13:48

hop numbers for her moments but

13:51

didn't you managed to make it off embers go because

13:53

you are in a hail health i

13:56

knew how to go ah

13:58

you meant to see him

13:59

that it always goes it was

14:02

amazing that , only

14:04

did one session this year for bowser

14:06

homers and commercial brewers

14:09

brewers it was it was as amazing

14:11

as it always is tons

14:14

and tons of good info are some

14:16

of which you'll be hearing about we

14:19

are have for interviews

14:21

as good come directly from

14:23

to seminars that were that

14:25

ah i didn't manage to go

14:27

on any of the fields years this year

14:30

because my knees just won't work well

14:32

enough to be of would rotten walk around in walk fields

14:35

and , missed that but

14:37

it was still a great experience and

14:39

i would still highly recommended to

14:42

anybody who's interested in learning

14:44

more about hops and beer

14:47

ah know what

14:49

what more can i say you've been there i

14:51

have i think my sure still have some of

14:53

the dust from the fields yeah

14:57

yeah , the the next one is coming

14:59

up a next year right around

15:01

labor day in the meantime

15:03

if you want to see some of the presentations

15:06

were always powerpoint from the presentations

15:08

go to yakima achieve dot

15:10

com and check it out because it's over

15:13

that's when they were always one birds nice

15:16

free knowledge sharing hello

15:18

, yes get the experience

15:20

going the sports and or but we'll whatever fists

15:23

you know when i did not even set foot inside

15:25

spurred similar this time around

15:28

a apparently it has changed quite

15:30

has bit quite actually didn't even talk to anybody

15:33

who went there ah i took

15:35

ah look at it online and some maybe

15:38

you'll discover to skip this time when

15:40

that that this happens change is inevitable

15:43

yep that's right the great the

15:45

answer your change and inevitable and time

15:47

flying i'm

15:49

just popped up on my timeline the

15:52

this week or actually pick up on your timeline

15:54

that it was four years ago this

15:56

week we're planning on being in australia

15:59

the greek replacements for it was

16:02

at the nothing quite like are driving up that

16:06

the highway how would you say mountain jungle

16:08

coastal range yeah

16:11

there was we we drove to a whole lotta nothing

16:14

and once we got over to the coast it was

16:16

just it me using we beautiful

16:18

or edit strange little village

16:20

of history type stuff with the trees

16:23

making shop and

16:24

oh yes oh yes

16:27

oh yes i just ran across

16:29

some of the hot sauce i bought their

16:31

the i saw some of the honey i bought for

16:35

, years old who knows

16:38

a hundred dollars

16:39

the of it as well

16:41

well the services through

16:43

our australia was a great place

16:45

or if we're lucky we'll get to go back

16:47

again some day and the and

16:49

so we do we've got the memories we

16:52

even then are multi day road trip

16:54

and we both survived

16:56

the and each other and i got to hear manny

16:58

machado strike out what's the the give

17:00

the brits are soldiers that

17:02

was one of the coolest things man was a streaming

17:04

the world series as we were driving around

17:07

australia s , your whereby

17:09

they make a staple stuff set up up

17:12

success a cf

17:15

yeah i'm having a little bit more experience

17:17

or driving experience the other side of

17:19

the car and the other side roads and drew

17:21

had so he may be part of

17:23

driving better at least he took on for some

17:25

of it's very out or edsel from

17:27

our memories to other guys are having

17:30

everyone paid attention the beard as you know that with

17:33

try to have know a with bag in terms of what's happening

17:35

in the bureau of in terms breweries opening presents

17:37

but one very that we were putting on

17:40

earlier this year it

17:42

has yourself they're closer watch retirement

17:44

surprised me as true colors and

17:46

the reason why we we reported on

17:48

them was this is a brewery

17:51

put together by george taylor cove

17:53

best known for untapped and

17:56

the his whole idea was i'm

17:58

going to make baru we're going

17:59

hire a bunch of

18:01

the folks who are in gangs read

18:04

train them and give them useful skills

18:06

and you're kind of make this whole brewery about the

18:08

are trying to bridge the gap between

18:11

the different gang members to try and hopefully reduce

18:13

gang violence all fairly

18:15

noble goal that

18:17

was quite a on and

18:20

they just announced they were closing in

18:23

large part because their investment

18:25

money's dried up like all this one of the that

18:27

was going to be invested in them sort of disappeared

18:30

in the wake of a couple of bad

18:32

things a happens really bad negative press coverage

18:35

know at one of their team members was shot

18:37

and killed in a double homicide odd

18:40

isn't it they basically said

18:42

hey you know we went from having there

18:44

was something like five point two million

18:46

dollars worth of investment to

18:48

we have we have dollars lipton lipton about

18:51

and at that point time they decide they had

18:53

to close i was really sort of a sudden thing

18:56

but what really confused me was

18:59

there we talked about in the modern

19:01

times cel right and when

19:04

originally that auction happened

19:07

it was won by porter ex marine

19:09

here marine anaheim but the

19:12

parent company of true colors was

19:14

who actually filed actually lawsuit saying that the auction

19:17

hadn't followed it's own rules and all the sort of fun stuff and

19:19

then that disappeared and there was only was couple

19:21

months ago that the wrestling what him buying

19:24

modern times and that would have been like

19:26

and twenty million dollar investment so

19:29

it's really curious to me that and maybe i'm

19:31

misunderstanding the corporate relationship there

19:33

was really curious to me that we go from that

19:36

in june

19:38

and july two suddenly the bruce

19:41

closed here in september though

19:44

a more program

19:46

well obviously that is

19:48

not really thought things through clearly

19:50

we cream there

19:52

so it's unfortunate because i liked of the mission statement

19:55

of like the idea ah i'm but

19:57

we'll see what happens but as of now

19:59

true there's no more nut

20:03

then a this this has to be read by oh okay

20:10

we're going to break a longstanding

20:12

tradition here as far only

20:14

using good language because this

20:16

is just too good to change

20:20

us i ran across ran quote from

20:22

rob pattinson after he had made had crypt viewer

20:25

soon several soon several

20:27

rooms and beer bars and bars

20:29

and his assessment of the seen and

20:32

what ron had to say is i'm

20:35

just maximum us wasn't that

20:37

impressed with the beer selection mostly

20:39

i play what type years

20:42

the our shirts our shit with

20:44

food what do i p a

20:46

was shit for the ip with fruit

20:48

and shit and pilsner

20:50

it

20:53

you know that that is a

20:55

great way to summer lot

20:58

of the beer scene out there these days

21:00

now if you can't find other things

21:02

that maybe you're going to the wrong places

21:05

or because there are other places around

21:07

the have a lot more variety but

21:10

i can tell you that tap

21:13

room slash brewpub brewery

21:15

that i went to in a in

21:17

yakima

21:18

pretty much perfectly describes

21:21

the selection process this

21:23

you know farm animals do

21:25

what do you think about oh man i understand

21:27

and ed because i looked around

21:29

and i see a lot of i was at school

21:32

and your guts five i gave them a couple

21:34

of other things i do risk for those whenever by had white

21:37

collar in their beer killer that

21:39

wasn't necessarily barry pit and

21:43

i mean yeah runs mean the fantastically

21:46

grumpy but , mean i understand

21:48

the frustration understand why why does

21:50

and i'm dealing even still be happy if the

21:52

salaries of the years experience in was more

21:55

mix cultured complex our stuff by

21:57

have by that most what he's complaining about

22:00

was he has herds cattle showers

22:02

quick sours you know that sort of them were a

22:05

the perfectly fine in hot weather but they're not

22:07

the sort of thing that my drink but then again next

22:09

culture beer seems to be going the way the note over

22:13

well emma

22:15

let's face it our beers

22:17

and become such a fad the

22:20

, now ubiquitous

22:22

and like you say that doesn't mean

22:24

they're necessarily going to all be well

22:26

done but personally

22:29

i'm like really burning out on sour beers

22:31

i can doesn't mean i don't like him to me i

22:33

still would have one stone when snowplow

22:35

us it also makes a plethora

22:38

of them and there's are very well done

22:40

and i enjoy it but man

22:42

i am just burning out on

22:44

say i was worried there for sale and said that

22:47

as like oh no

22:49

elsa il sung of stocks and tumble

22:52

not

22:54

an hour if i'm going to drink a sour beer it's gonna

22:56

be one of theirs but like

22:59

, say hot weather they're great other

23:01

than that maybe maybe not maybe

23:03

i'm just not enough of the sour beers and der

23:05

and some under any circumstance but

23:09

you know what while i don't think that runs

23:11

assessment is one hundred percent accurate

23:13

i would say it's about eighty percent accurate quite

23:15

another sours helpful but the same time

23:18

i did the problem for you

23:20

have to stay in business do

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well i miss that we other side of

23:24

things are on the other hand

23:27

if people were making these things with the customers

23:29

really care

23:31

i think you'll find the

23:33

express what the other was i

23:35

didn't care about him before the brewery started

23:37

making them to brewery stops make money

23:40

just move on to whatever the brewery makes next

23:42

or will they move onto a very that's maximum well

23:45

there's an awesome the

23:47

speaking of thing is waxing and waning

23:50

in and out of fashion or ,

23:52

beaumont who's worked on multiple

23:54

things to cuddle with multiple

23:56

serve the

23:59

promotional probably zaza he was one of the

24:02

brain trust behind flagship were february

24:05

ah the verbal out back before coming jolla

24:10

him he was with her out the situation and

24:12

ah and he has a new proposal average

24:15

gonna cope when he was saying says here a

24:17

belgian beers sad ghana fashionistas

24:20

they're pretty much all the presently trendy styles

24:23

knowing or ip a's sours milkshake

24:25

ideas pace yourself and so on

24:28

either have their roots in belgium styles are

24:30

filled with the same set of flavor profile

24:32

sweeter rounder fruity or spicy

24:35

as do or should multiple dalton

24:37

styles

24:39

so

24:40

i think november is the month the

24:43

older beer drinking community which i would

24:45

assume would be unite and the

24:47

devote to introducing the younger beer drinking

24:49

community to the joys a belgian beer and

24:51

belgian inspired bureau's out don't

24:54

have a beer mentorship month okay

24:56

that's entitlements order for now runs

24:59

, as november makes sense because it is

25:01

an underwhelming months free much rain for stronger much

25:04

richer beers ah the started

25:06

of members also the start of the brussels beer challenge

25:09

see there's not much else going on i

25:11

would also argue d at least here in the states

25:14

a lot of belgian beers pair wonderfully

25:16

were thanksgiving dinner ah yeah no

25:18

kidding man i , have thanksgiving

25:21

without does his own du pont pont

25:24

so it is true that like belgian

25:26

beers do seem to be kind

25:28

of radically out of style

25:30

radically last timers and of last beer

25:32

store i was amazed at like just

25:34

how sparse the belgian beer quarter have become

25:38

an echo it makes me sad

25:41

yeah i agree man how are

25:43

we have we a a good beer store

25:45

that just opened up and i went in there

25:47

the other day hoping that they

25:49

might have a nice selection

25:52

the belgian beers are dying get my hands on

25:54

the the rope for trouble

25:56

these days have not yet found

25:58

it

25:59

the they had

26:01

three different st bernard

26:03

as beers and that was overhead indulgence

26:07

i , kind of stoned adulthood

26:09

of i find her it's belgians it's think it's belgian

26:12

exactly irons

26:15

on the store has a is a larger

26:17

solution but not what it used to be another

26:19

shelton brothers shut down and they were one of the

26:21

mean importers indulging

26:23

beers and united states so

26:27

it's not real surprising that the

26:29

that selection has decreased but

26:32

you know

26:33

people go out there there's still some out there go

26:36

out there try to drink them demand

26:38

more that's what i intend to do don't

26:40

make me for speed you are all sister

26:43

moon police do i

26:46

owe somebody else i go a belgian

26:48

beer months i'm not entirely certain i'm

26:51

all in favour of be mint worship angle

26:53

of it's but i'm certainly all

26:55

certainly favor of celebrating the heck out of it

26:58

though

26:59

like

27:00

oh you do to hopefully we can all enjoy

27:02

some belgian beers together and hopefully

27:04

we can stem the tide of belgian

27:07

beer disappearance and defect some of the classic

27:10

and it's very least you can bring your own

27:12

belgian style beers and what

27:14

i've been taken to a it's hard

27:16

for me to find my favorite belgian beer were

27:18

small triple around here so

27:20

i've got a recipe that's pretty darn

27:23

close would never say it's a clone

27:25

but it's the doesn't remind you of west

27:27

multiple and so on brewing that myself

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as what i have stood as i in the birth

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welcome to the experimental brewing

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brewery well we spend our own

30:15

but little withdrew tell you about

30:17

what's going on because he's got all the excitement

30:20

why of somewhere someone i am actually work in the very

30:22

know i said this earlier in the show i

30:25

, actually talking to your from the very the brewery

30:27

is now the bereaved the tap

30:29

room which tap room that them for now

30:32

ah and podcast recording studio

30:35

why they echoing podcast recording studio

30:39

that will manage the it with your with

30:41

birds and part of north africa now

30:44

, the main thing i'm working on right now is

30:46

i'm actually cleaning up all the gear as

30:48

you can imagine this stuff is mostly been

30:50

sitting outside for the better

30:53

part of three four months colored home

30:55

than or an online has been ah and

30:58

even though here in southern california we don't get

31:00

rain and so therefore item that

31:03

that doesn't prevent a whole ton of dust

31:05

and dirt going on off on every heart so

31:08

right now i'm just and basic maintenance mode clean

31:10

up everything day already to go

31:13

and and still trying to figure out the last little bit of placement

31:16

though because i get a the the one challenges

31:18

now that this is also my office is

31:21

i just can't stack stuff wherever

31:24

right now i actually have to put

31:26

it in places that seem sensible

31:30

and so now it's now that's the working

31:32

also about ninety thousand

31:34

dog beds the

31:37

doorbell a farm

31:40

so we'll save his they were getting their

31:42

my hope is that my this weekend i'll be

31:44

able to actually burrow something and

31:46

i'll be able to talk to you about that later i

31:48

got my cornwall on the way it's forget

31:50

my east on the way of our he got my mom hear everything

31:53

else is here just need that cornwall

31:55

and a and the east and will be able to good to go

31:58

m and one of the the things

32:00

i decided remember we talked on previous

32:02

episodes about the sort of

32:04

corn malt were set or the mild

32:07

cream says on i don't and

32:09

i was thinking around about a

32:12

you know wouldn't be nice to be able to do some split bashing

32:14

features for that's not the the

32:17

g thirty the guards are to forty ago

32:20

is big enough to be able to do enough

32:22

volume that i could split into two for mentors so

32:26

wouldn't be fun to do something like that n or turns

32:28

out this is gonna be another piece

32:30

on going to give tests grandfather

32:33

has added to their apps the

32:35

ability to track split brewing so

32:38

they're talking about mercer from five you're testing to

32:40

priests cultures are different different

32:42

hopping schedules i think this is really

32:45

cool they actually no make it possible for you to split

32:47

your batch and five different segments if he

32:49

wants and be able to track the fermentation

32:51

profiles and everything else for each of those separately

32:54

it and this also be the point when i

32:56

finally get off my but and decide actually

32:59

use the fermentation

33:01

profile

33:02

controls

33:04

it's of their automated denny

33:06

used as right

33:07

yeah i do they mean just

33:09

interview fermentation profile and your

33:11

recipe now , when you go to your

33:14

brew session on brew day when

33:16

use it to get past the bring

33:18

it to the fermentation such and you just click

33:20

on the little button and says manage fermentation

33:23

and tell it which bar for metre you using

33:26

and it would go through all your fermentation

33:28

steps via why five very cool

33:31

though at nervous also

33:32

makes me think that if they don't have it read the

33:35

book sam about it's ah they

33:37

get say in thailand or something like told and

33:40

if the them the national driver for mutters profile

33:42

by gravity the you could say

33:45

hey own the same reaches three quarters

33:47

profile start crashing right because

33:51

nicer earth the as put because where we started by

33:53

you can't really depends on a number of days

33:56

really

33:57

the

33:58

the no

34:00

specific but it boring technically

34:03

not really supposed to do that but we do otherwise

34:06

a , it'd be kinda cool as you could actually drive it from

34:08

the data of like hey you know when this goes down now

34:12

eighty percent of my gravity then

34:14

he has it take this action but we'll see what

34:16

habits of by i'm looking forward to playing row

34:18

a solid stuff so here we go over

34:21

the next i'm not sure we do a show i'll be talking

34:23

the all about

34:25

what i screwed up an email and

34:27

i don't want to send humans like his grandfather

34:29

commercial because we have lose to both

34:31

, the whole system

34:33

is incredibly well integrated i'm

34:36

i'm real happy with that with every time

34:38

i walk out of the garage asked to bring with

34:40

said the stuff i

34:42

just have i just smile on my face

34:44

because of how smoothly and all and

34:47

that's where you know the grandfather's and

34:49

the integrations then he had

34:51

a you propose out there on your face what food about

34:54

the silly names for things right in the very

34:56

silly silly this

34:58

absolutely and

35:01

you and i both have a silly names

35:03

far south so like for instance my

35:06

my to brew systems my g thirty is click

35:09

i do forty is named clock and

35:12

my three for mentors are dewey cheatham

35:14

and house with her for mentors and stainless

35:16

steel a , as

35:20

good as the if you get that reference congratulations

35:22

you're old like make like named i mean

35:25

my g seven diva my largest

35:27

bruce is not ones big bird ah

35:30

gee forty is ozzy

35:32

him and mine for mentors for

35:35

birds ernie grover and from

35:37

it no

35:40

him there at all current

35:42

the standalone on the the coil yeah current

35:44

from a to z i'd my controller adapter

35:48

the

35:49

some is something else knew from brain rather have

35:51

hung but otherwise i like the fact that

35:53

other people in the community jumped in on your posts

35:55

and answered make thomas about what they him when

35:58

they named their stuff like go the dire

36:00

this of the his nickname his brewery ah

36:03

it which is like this one level electric brewhouse

36:05

it's all designed to be on the table on

36:08

his nickname el punto the

36:10

gate the octopus because of all

36:12

the hoses evolved ah

36:15

i'm traveling losers from drove see

36:17

brewery see brewery our fermentation tanks

36:19

different music genres so rock country

36:21

hip hop middle and then on the day we

36:23

are bring internet tank we play that

36:25

genre of music

36:27

why that

36:28

yeah

36:29

bob henderson sparky

36:32

since it's not from and four hundred and eighty volts

36:34

six hundred amp electrical switch gears sexual

36:36

so if you see the picture they

36:38

posted of it's it's not actually

36:41

using the electrical equipment the really

36:43

a box of that stuff would have been mounted until

36:46

i came like a new use for rec

36:49

why not then draw heavily

36:51

beauvoir high them barrel me juri oliver

36:54

for mentors are named after our dogs

36:56

past and present i like

36:58

that it were to keep them as keep their memories

37:00

around nathan tech all of his from mentors

37:02

or ninja turtles with the bright

37:04

for our wolverine shredder for my any

37:07

reserve morty bill murray

37:09

layer then of course i ride

37:12

a bike on the last of

37:16

our him we had we had a more

37:18

in his face mentors are all robots or

37:20

magnetron bender optimus prime at the facts

37:23

dan of years aj roomba

37:26

or to d to and johnny five did

37:28

have to go and look up the other beers i feel like a bad

37:30

society for not in or minus three from

37:33

battlestar galactica ah

37:36

, omen as he named his big buddhist

37:38

and controller nucleonics in homage

37:40

to my engineering lab sectors on attack submarines

37:43

ah met that cold i didn't hear to for mentor

37:46

but i only use it for wild and sour from

37:48

and asians it's name is mister funkhouser

37:51

the just keep it separate from the others are

37:53

endlessly chases i've not named

37:56

not named couldn't i have enough challenge remembering

37:58

what day it is and

38:01

that's why i named mine because it helps me remember

38:03

which one i'm use the and and that for sure

38:05

said a lot of other people guys' names

38:08

there are no the is sam numbers aren't

38:12

you might have might have the idea for mods

38:15

days when my wife was running through a computer

38:17

animation company because they

38:19

had their servers named after the seven

38:21

dwarves

38:24

i am a when i was working in disney for

38:26

a while the one of my big storage

38:28

servers was named jumbo oh

38:31

tell him off of dumbo

38:32

the

38:34

but i just have is interesting i

38:36

like up into a number breweries were there

38:39

was one that had their from renters named after the golden girls

38:45

the final the moment route whatever it takes

38:47

in order to a desert arab of

38:50

by up if you have you have name for

38:52

stuff in your burgers or of way that you organize

38:54

and scheme ever thanks i used to number my texan

38:56

i lost track ah i'm

38:59

let us know podcast that experimental bird or

39:01

com then

39:03

lesley then he did something

39:07

yeah

39:09

i don't i get asked to be a i just

39:11

a podcast called the homebrew talents

39:14

or he , new members i was

39:16

on a podcast called the home brew pub with

39:19

my friend andrew sanders and

39:21

andrew eyes in contact

39:23

with another british on bernie martin sheen

39:26

and zack martin renzi

39:29

a podcast called the homebrew challenge

39:31

for here recreates other

39:33

people's beers and one of the crazy things

39:36

as guy did did

39:38

point was like brew ninety nine different

39:40

beers and ninety nine days

39:42

and it's and math

39:44

or maybe was ninety nine weeks i dunno

39:46

but it was something amazing like

39:49

that but he decided

39:51

that he would take a shot at my nick danger

39:53

porter under hebrew

39:55

that upset me some ass and

39:57

some to andrew also and

39:59

was gonna mine in disgust

40:02

beer and how he bird it and

40:04

it was an interesting and fun

40:06

discussion and will put up a link

40:08

to that as can check it out there out think

40:11

whatever part of it was that he started off

40:13

by saying here's the same as same whole

40:15

class recipe by the same as same world class humber

40:17

to la la la la la the has been

40:19

well developed and and done many

40:21

times over the years yada yada yada and

40:23

i changed

40:25

yeah i know

40:29

so don't give a shot i think

40:31

it's only about and what southern i'm as long

40:33

as i'm not hugely long but yeah

40:36

it's kind of on anything to see denny bird

40:38

disappearing into a zoom background

40:40

i can't like that discipline

40:44

yeah well here who enjoys the

40:46

dream of being the invisible man

40:48

the area

40:49

that's enough silliness memory but

40:51

of remember as always we have a those are questions

40:54

or ideas less oh podcast an

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welcome every way to the lounge or we've

43:25

got our country jackets on the comfy chairs

43:27

are broken us it's time to lay about

43:29

and listen to some stuff says

43:31

with mention up in the pub and we've mentioned a couple

43:33

episodes and past then he just went

43:36

to hop and brew school up in yakima washington

43:38

time to learn all the good a hobby knowledge

43:41

in get your hands on and of course right now

43:43

is very exciting time in the world of hops

43:45

because i don't know she knows

43:47

what's in last know i'm half i'm half

43:49

or so we're getting a lot a new products

43:51

as people are trying to figure out new ways to implement

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all those lovely

43:57

hop flavors and aromas of really that we want to

43:59

get into our snow the answer

44:01

denny you're saying down with the

44:03

read a preferred talking about three different

44:05

products and how they can all

44:08

be used together right

44:10

exactly ah approval

44:13

notice that file is the hot word

44:15

in brewing these days and

44:18

these three people all have products the

44:20

kind of utilize enhanced

44:22

files in different ways so

44:25

, talked to a were burns

44:27

from omega east labs i

44:30

talk to just russell from phantasm

44:32

he's one of the inventors of phantasm

44:35

antisocial body from

44:37

yeah some achieve hops stance

44:40

she taught thought about their fire hearts

44:42

and so basically what this

44:45

is about his as these three products

44:47

retailer has a synergy and

44:50

come together together beers with

44:52

really increased fruit flavors

44:55

and how their products worse than

44:57

death you know normally their

44:59

fond of in terms of using for hazy i

45:01

plays and stuff like that there's

45:03

no that's not my thing so we end of the

45:05

interview with kind of us talking

45:07

through talking west coast i p a recipe

45:09

using these products and i swear to god

45:11

i'm going to brew that so

45:14

a kickback , yourself

45:16

a beer unless you're driving and listened

45:18

to this interview with laura burns jos

45:20

ruffle and tessa she lottie we're

45:23

talking today with laura burns

45:25

from omega you slabs josh

45:28

rafol from a phantasm

45:30

and test the sorority from yakima chief

45:32

hops and we're going to be talking

45:34

about some new concepts and products

45:37

that they're all working with working just a

45:40

sat through their presentation hear it happened

45:42

through school and mind

45:44

blowing across the some stuff is going

45:46

on here so over

45:49

our will start with you because

45:51

something just talking about finalized

45:54

east and i'm trying

45:56

to wrap my head around that concept

45:59

do too the east how file

46:01

oh i'm actually

46:03

the whole naming him up because

46:06

we wanted to bring it a little bit more down

46:08

to an approachable understanding of what we did

46:11

but it's yell the back story

46:14

as we've taken our bring streams

46:17

and we've used in attic engineering

46:19

and we've taken on bright

46:22

and then and then can produce files and fermentation

46:25

and they do that from the raw

46:28

material the raw material like barley

46:30

and hops have precursor

46:32

to the molecules that the really the he's

46:35

can cleave and release an arm

46:37

that makes the dial aroma some fermentation my

46:40

job is really insistent determine

46:42

the barley has to prefer since i you know

46:44

i just in all the talk of this kinda

46:46

stuff that never really seemed to come up

46:48

so that's that's really interesting to know

46:50

yeah when you think about sales

46:52

and in the first thing the com a

46:54

minor really like high impact aroma

46:57

hop varieties as a no not a

46:59

big driver as like and of tropical

47:01

roman hop so ah yes

47:04

initially we didn't it might

47:06

be the source of to be honest we were we're

47:08

a surprise when are are all

47:10

more from and patients are producing these

47:12

aromas so

47:15

get down to basically of what

47:17

is a file

47:19

though files are basically

47:21

it with his you think about alcohol doesn't

47:24

oh age group on that alcohol

47:26

but that's in the pilots and assets

47:28

group so their self or containing compounds

47:31

you know they can be found in many

47:34

now the products so you think about they

47:36

have i'm also you know cannabis

47:39

i'm think about coffee that's a bit

47:41

big driver of coffee aroma or files

47:44

but even in our natural

47:45

fruit

47:47

what characteristic aroma

47:49

of the you know this as a pretty some fermentation ours

47:52

guava aromas and passion for it or of

47:54

us cuz as earth feet components of those

47:56

and fruits as i said if

47:59

i get

47:59

if you think about i saw my acetate as

48:02

a esther that is producing fermentation

48:04

was and it dries banana aroma

48:08

so the nana have that

48:10

compound to that's why we smell banana

48:12

when we're now that us sir

48:13

a blows my mind that sulfur

48:16

compounds and produce fruit

48:18

aromas and slavers you know i

48:20

i i have a a rudimentary

48:22

son rudimentary chemistry backgrounds i'd still

48:25

a couple years in chemistry in college and

48:27

i would never have thought of sulfur system

48:29

that in that way you know this that this definitely

48:32

pretty cool

48:32

yeah we mostly i think we have such

48:35

a low sensory threshold to those compounds

48:37

in a lot of that has that because

48:40

it fair you know maybe it even

48:42

innately singles signals danger

48:44

or you know something funky is going

48:47

on is

48:50

quite interesting that interesting nature

48:52

the valve them into many

48:53

ran around was yeah yeah

48:56

okay joss you turn

48:59

me about phantasm what is

49:02

as the how did that come about because it's like

49:04

a wild concept their service

49:07

centres i'm is a a natural file

49:09

precursor product and you know the really

49:12

idea behind it as it's this this power

49:14

of you can add ons your brain persists

49:16

and and the right segmentation conditions at all

49:18

unlock into high levels things freestyles

49:21

like three a sites and sometimes

49:24

, a say that the passion for tonight

49:26

as well well in

49:28

i a sort of came up as an idea

49:30

an over

49:32

number of years really have a was sort of putting together

49:35

the putting blocks been based

49:37

building new zealand's been exposed

49:39

to the files and our wine and that a

49:41

lot of discussion and research been based

49:44

around file in the research

49:46

a community in new zealand's we

49:49

have files and in new in

49:51

new zealand and they were for the noted for being quite

49:53

high innocence is always stuck

49:55

with me and with boys have a sort of the topic

49:57

of interest and thinking how

49:59

we release it how can we get more into

50:02

a be a and sort of

50:04

a phantasm was the culmination of that

50:06

of just this idea that's when the

50:08

winemakers a making them over seventy en

50:10

blanc which is sort of renowned for these high

50:12

file notes a maybe

50:15

when they finish pressing the grapes and the skins

50:17

a they might be precursor to lift over and we

50:19

consider [unk] extract it and concentration

50:22

and makes available to bro is like a

50:24

little msg edition for the outside

50:26

and that real nice favorite pet so

50:29

it comes from the great skins itself as that's

50:31

where you produce it from yep yep

50:33

so mobile seventy one blog because

50:36

as very high in these in these

50:38

compounds a and

50:40

you know they know they in the skins a

50:43

and you know when they finished personally know this is a lot

50:45

left over

50:46

after is really remarkable

50:49

okay , see your to the now now

50:52

you are working and are

50:54

indeed here and sensory

50:56

analysis stuff like stuff and

50:59

you are talking a lot today about to

51:01

about cryo hearts

51:03

and cryo compounds i

51:06

am a huge fan of cryo hot i remember

51:09

seeing the first machine when i

51:11

came up here that the little to

51:13

will test machine and we

51:15

could take pictures of it we weren't allowed to talk

51:17

to anybody about stuff like that but

51:20

i managed to get managed hold of some to the first

51:22

cryo poets who came out and blew

51:25

my mind

51:26

why are they so great yeah

51:29

we we actually recently just got the patents so

51:31

people can tour the that

51:32

felonies now which

51:34

is kinda fun the answer first time

51:36

since the kim i think of us about five years ago

51:38

that they were commercially released i'm

51:41

but crowd parents crowd parents a

51:43

concentrated loop ulan pellet

51:46

so i'm you know the

51:48

the hop is comprised of the bracht

51:50

which is kind of the the leafy matter which has

51:52

a lot of like phenol and stuff i'm

51:54

but then there's the rupee [unk] glands sorry

51:57

if he's ever seen a hot the forest the

51:59

little

51:59

the golden

52:01

fears within ,

52:03

within the hop cone and

52:05

that's where the that's where com creation

52:08

of the hop oils are

52:10

derived from so that's where you're getting your drain he

52:12

all your little are most

52:14

of the hop aroma so the the crowd process

52:17

without going into too much production detail

52:19

basically concentrate that loop you'll

52:21

and gland into a palace there a lot softer

52:24

and they can contain a lot less am

52:26

vegetal material such

52:28

kind of just like a blast of the of the hop

52:31

oil which are you know largely

52:33

responsible for driving the flavor

52:35

and aroma of you know the very trendy

52:38

beers and were

52:39

he was either the

52:41

ip a's and all that kind of stuff friend treating

52:43

us as a classes would get back to and mrs

52:46

but you , mentioned that you're starting

52:48

to work with some frozen first

52:50

hop cryo yes that blew

52:52

my mind mind you

52:54

know point one is going on with that

52:57

it's a real mouth falling into causes a snap

52:59

your name for the size of the press has

53:01

press i

53:03

like frenzies but i'm not i'm

53:06

not in marketing so it's not up to yeah yeah

53:10

so frozen fresh

53:11

the crowd is is really novel

53:13

an interesting because i'm

53:15

in the opportunity to brew was fresh hops

53:17

is not available to most brewers

53:20

obviously there's a lot of brewers are blessed

53:22

in the pacific whereas the other

53:24

some in michigan i'm sure there's some in new zealand

53:27

the i'm yeah and and

53:29

the uk but but fresh hops

53:31

once they've been picked off as the buying once

53:33

they've been harvested arm unless

53:35

you get them straight to a town they said degrading

53:38

super quickly that they're very

53:40

fragile i guess you could say and

53:42

so burrow with

53:44

a fresh off it's not been kills a burrow

53:46

has to live with and the you know what

53:48

that i have several hours

53:50

drive a hop sealed to to grab

53:53

those hops arm and get them into

53:55

the burrow house in time before they start degrading

53:58

we also had like burst

53:59

korea

54:00

charter planes to fly

54:03

fresh hospital member breweries

54:05

are you know so

54:06

this coveted see that

54:08

people are willing to yell go to class

54:10

and pretty big stopped sit to get that

54:12

unique flavor because he does hops

54:14

have not been killed so they they're kind of raw

54:16

other arm contain

54:18

a lot of kind of more it all components

54:21

but it's it's , there's a lot of deaths

54:23

there that that gets killed off in my

54:25

opinion and so we basically

54:27

to hurt a technology that somewhere

54:30

to instant quick

54:32

freezing i qf which is how you preserve

54:34

like frozen blueberries or something like that where

54:36

you basically just get it it harvest

54:38

and get it and flash reason like immediately

54:41

arm and so we started doing

54:43

brewing trials with this product which was just

54:45

special ops off the farm flash frozen

54:47

down and then what will how does i'm

54:50

handle and the beers regard

54:52

and this okay add this is interesting

54:54

there we could store this has to be frozen

54:56

like the sub eighty degrees

54:59

has to be suitable for deep then so

55:01

logistically this is little bit difficult take

55:04

a deep freeze a huge volume

55:06

of hops so we were looking outlet

55:08

technologies are available to us and one of them as

55:11

cryo technology which the views

55:13

the three with i ran good deal

55:15

success in the past so we were like wait

55:17

can leave the cryo process on

55:20

these frozen says

55:21

you guys are all i'm

55:24

out while since while announce i

55:26

know

55:27

so we we applied the you

55:30

know we have to manufacture them down

55:32

into to ninety palace which is that the persisted

55:35

a crops and then

55:36

the process and further into

55:38

and to cryo products that are made fresh

55:41

hop so the water contents lot

55:43

higher than trial product

55:45

the traditional cryo product because

55:47

it's never been introduced to a killer the kiln brings

55:49

the water content lay

55:52

down and so we've removed that

55:54

they're that they're much more water content

55:56

on when you touch them it's like was sabi

55:59

it's like a piece

55:59

oh my god it's it's really cool as

56:02

bizarre but i mean said

56:04

the level of a room impact

56:06

that they're frozen up

56:09

cryo has a physicist

56:11

it really interesting and and it's really

56:13

impactful and in the bruce else and

56:15

it it's a way to get fresh

56:17

hops to a wider audience

56:19

we can actually shipped them i'm so

56:21

a brewer in yeah

56:24

the you know i dunno

56:25

access or something hidden can much my easily

56:28

brewer have a beer the had fresh hop aroma

56:31

without having to charter to charter

56:33

to fly them they're so do have a

56:35

handle on when these may be available

56:37

to the public it's

56:39

still no trial space right

56:41

now

56:42

maybe the years of my grandmother

56:45

the something like not yeah

56:47

the others are not meetings i tend to attend as

56:49

a society i said services

56:52

a suspect that i don't care i just you

56:54

know i have other of other things

56:56

were done so the really i've had

56:58

a chance to try one of his trial

57:01

beers broom and lamb and the cool

57:03

thing about these is that you can stencil

57:05

even the cold side of this him yeah with

57:07

as something that

57:10

credible a typical if i have absolutely

57:12

yeah so we were seen an opportunity

57:15

to do beers lists are

57:17

multiple friday's like some

57:19

co has a pretty early pick went out of the wanna

57:21

do a simple fresh hot beer i'm

57:24

the last you're using simple enough can be and

57:26

then he cities to ninety or cryo on

57:28

the on the cold side but i'm now

57:31

you know people can actually brew a fresh hot

57:33

beer that combines citro n's

57:36

simcoe which have spiel very

57:38

different pick windows amazing

57:40

says on the cold side so the i opens up a ton

57:42

of doors for exploring

57:44

there's hop flavor right now we're

57:46

i know the similar do you use

57:48

like that because i'm punching stuff events

57:51

available for a while because i've seen

57:53

home brewers using and what's what's

57:55

the deal with sand has draws is that

57:57

gonna be

57:59

more avail

57:59

will soon we're we're

58:03

we're struggling to keep up with her everything

58:05

we can see to get it into

58:07

brewers hands the

58:10

day that really has been focused on

58:12

from his professional bruce has been

58:14

in the last even on the last six

58:17

weeks six weeks started making

58:19

it available the

58:21

level where some stores are getting access

58:23

in the sims online sources

58:25

of it now as while he while he i some

58:28

from my brand tennis in michigan hop

58:30

alliance alliance yeah yeah yeahs out of benson

58:32

and i was so nasa

58:35

i have a pound sitting in my freezer and i'm

58:37

hoping i'm gonna get some ideas

58:38

what to do with it from this means

58:41

, you guys all have different products

58:44

buses kinda like a synergy also

58:46

you know this putting them together

58:49

you end up with with a whole that's

58:51

bigger than the sum of it's parts parts

58:54

put it we say arms

58:56

so what

58:59

is it is it really necessary

59:01

to use he says that like if i just wanted to

59:03

use phantasm in a beer

59:06

with

59:07

then i didn't have the omega years so i didn't

59:09

have cryo hops with ,

59:11

that gonna give me any saying am i going to get anything

59:13

out of his family as it was fascinating

59:15

thing is that in a weird been developing developing

59:19

for a while and then in parallel

59:21

said on been on so awesome a good thing

59:23

developing this file i see strains and

59:25

we sort of almost came on the market based

59:28

around the same the era

59:30

you will get an impact without using

59:32

file without cease but

59:34

when you do it's it's as ten times

59:37

it's racer far as

59:39

you really want to sort of see what i'm

59:42

sense has some can deliver it's really best use

59:44

a file on easter to unlock the precursors

59:47

at the level that they can go so that

59:51

are there are there certain styles

59:53

these products was better for

59:55

than others i mean basically

59:57

us when i would i see finalized

59:59

and phantasm us

1:00:02

i'm sick and like hazy i t a's

1:00:05

and stuff which

1:00:07

that's not my thing personally you

1:00:10

know so

1:00:11

well what about like say i'm a

1:00:13

west coast i p a guy

1:00:16

me i'm obviously coil hearts or

1:00:19

walker part of my my

1:00:21

was can snipe years distance

1:00:24

phantasm and something like cosmic

1:00:26

punter some your other your other into that style

1:00:30

yeah an air with a

1:00:33

then there's this both are london

1:00:35

for it within our british five went away

1:00:37

l zero one one so that's

1:00:40

what we would suggest then hazy

1:00:42

is that cause i punched the helio gaither he'll

1:00:44

either has another ends i'm not the i or see seven

1:00:47

and them but a pet be enzyme that's more

1:00:49

active and it puts out more files

1:00:51

on fermentation so there's a lover lover their

1:00:54

ah but those would be the hazier

1:00:56

the hazier france and just like hebrew

1:00:59

you know year west coast that the ticket we have

1:01:02

that as

1:01:02

that

1:01:04

okay and we have a larger version to which is lunar

1:01:06

crash so all of those are and homebrew

1:01:08

available the you

1:01:11

know brutus style like how you word

1:01:13

and then see our at incorporate like

1:01:15

incorporate those files and that asylum and

1:01:18

it'll be it'll definitely be transformative

1:01:20

but you know you can

1:01:23

play a lot with recipe designed to dial

1:01:25

that in and phantasm combined

1:01:27

with are used allows for even more

1:01:29

sales were really trying to drive in

1:01:31

a heavily hyped beer and

1:01:34

i'm products i cryo we always like to

1:01:36

partner with those and and boat

1:01:38

out survivable because complimenting

1:01:40

meno style aroma that part

1:01:43

of as a good recipe designs night

1:01:46

to dress you mentioned using phantasm

1:01:48

him the mass and you're and

1:01:50

you're about mass hopping which

1:01:52

i have to the i did

1:01:54

i match or a ser mansion up and twenty five

1:01:56

years ago and after about half

1:01:58

a dozen back and i'll just totally

1:01:59

bogus know i'm doing a data

1:02:02

appears to be a totally new reason because

1:02:04

twenty five years the nobody was thinking about files

1:02:06

or anything what ,

1:02:08

with phantasm in the mass mass

1:02:11

can add phantasm in the mass births

1:02:13

are our precursors the maybe a bit more

1:02:15

accessible than what you might be getting out

1:02:17

of a hot so really we

1:02:19

see a bit a result in the in the

1:02:22

precursors a loaded and but when it comes to

1:02:24

hops than in of lauren team

1:02:26

of the magazine doing some great research

1:02:28

on the benefits of that's

1:02:30

right so you know there is a really compelling

1:02:32

reason to get hops and to the national so as

1:02:34

whirlpool the best place to use phantasm

1:02:37

your opinion yeah it seems to be the

1:02:39

most elegant solution can add

1:02:41

than on the hot side the precursors

1:02:43

a loaded and it is their the start of fermentation

1:02:45

which is fermentation important and then

1:02:47

it sort of as out of the way see of got space

1:02:50

for try hard for any other distance later on

1:02:53

as well so laura talking about mash

1:02:55

hopping what why does it work

1:02:58

you have any suggestions as were

1:03:00

hops to use of he said don't

1:03:02

use your best roman often course that makes perfect

1:03:04

sense i'm so course

1:03:07

what what have you their stand about mash hopping

1:03:09

so far

1:03:10

ashley interesting there's

1:03:13

i'm just like there's a lot of variety

1:03:15

and aroma compounds and hop there's a lot of variety

1:03:18

and the sale precursor among

1:03:20

hop so

1:03:22

perhaps there have been focus

1:03:25

and published on have over and over

1:03:27

again have fans you know some

1:03:29

the noble varieties like size ten

1:03:31

middle through have a lot of precursor

1:03:34

ah and sparingly

1:03:36

even i kind of

1:03:38

a new zealand typos

1:03:41

the equivalent of size is also very high

1:03:43

and precursor of cascade

1:03:46

is really high and precursor more

1:03:48

and cascade grown in new zealand

1:03:50

new york and aca my seem

1:03:52

to have i precursor as seen us

1:03:54

the consists of on that variety so

1:03:58

those are the table they have set that suggests

1:04:00

using an awful ones that really high

1:04:02

precursor level sometimes that overlaps

1:04:05

with an aroma hop so

1:04:06

there might be

1:04:07

accepts and here and there they

1:04:10

really the the goal is not ted i'm

1:04:14

not trying to i mean maybe

1:04:16

some other survival

1:04:17

the talks about make it through to the the

1:04:19

fermentation that mainly were just trying

1:04:22

to extract precursor and build precursor

1:04:24

for the used to format so one

1:04:26

of the thing the said was said was whirlpool

1:04:28

and dry hop additions reduce the impact

1:04:31

of files which is gonna be

1:04:34

a shark the home brewers procedure

1:04:36

like you know putting four pounds of hearts

1:04:38

into a five gallon batch dry hopping is

1:04:40

the way to go what

1:04:42

what's the deal why why do those reduce

1:04:44

the impact of smiles

1:04:46

well we don't have a clear

1:04:48

answer on exactly how they impact

1:04:51

some sales we know that style levels

1:04:53

drop it's

1:04:55

it's it's just mind blowing infamous yeah

1:04:58

honestly like piano there

1:05:01

there's some it you know oxidized polyphenols

1:05:04

and metals that make it through during dry hopping

1:05:06

in some of that plays into shall stability

1:05:08

of draft beer ah it

1:05:10

it makes it a challenge for this aroma compounds

1:05:13

to withhold you know all of that potential

1:05:15

for oxidation so cel

1:05:17

, could be some of that going on but i think

1:05:19

more of a focus is just some

1:05:22

building the right aroma

1:05:25

ah how many san so

1:05:28

if you're overwhelming with sales are you overwhelming

1:05:30

with hop both of them and their

1:05:32

room and packers so it's about

1:05:35

had a hitting that middle ground and morris

1:05:38

, better with everything you

1:05:40

know so thinking about how

1:05:43

to really kind of find the best

1:05:45

balance balancing act between ourselves

1:05:47

and hops i think of the main we

1:05:50

wire bring to the brewer as like don't

1:05:53

just blasted out tried i'd hit

1:05:55

try to create marissa were you getting

1:05:57

can the that nice enter play

1:05:59

and

1:05:59

okay yeah right and like us i see

1:06:02

too many homers who are part

1:06:04

of the fact they just put like six pounds dry

1:06:06

hops him something like that that

1:06:09

, may not be the way to do do

1:06:12

as a you're talking about the evolution

1:06:14

of survivability chart ah

1:06:17

what's that thing came out in and brian

1:06:20

turned me onto it i ,

1:06:22

making some the best five years

1:06:24

i've ever been using that information

1:06:27

so what what's happened was worthy

1:06:29

guys gone with guys

1:06:31

yeah so we released that

1:06:33

heart kind of after

1:06:35

couple years of data collection and

1:06:38

validation to make sure that what we were saying

1:06:40

was actually true but

1:06:43

it is definitely research that is

1:06:45

in it's nice and see and we

1:06:47

the lot of work to do that we

1:06:49

try to be really transparent with i research

1:06:52

whenever we think something that we're working

1:06:54

on could be helpful to make to helpers

1:06:57

make better beer we wanna

1:06:59

really set but we also kind of the caviar

1:07:01

with the survivable star is that we reserve

1:07:03

the right to updated as they learn

1:07:06

more

1:07:06

and this is all you know

1:07:09

are trying to be very transparent about that we

1:07:11

we never really sit saying this is the holy grail this

1:07:13

is the final version nothing about this will

1:07:15

ever change after an agricultural

1:07:17

products we see very big variations

1:07:20

from a year to year even farmer

1:07:22

to farmer obviously variety to

1:07:24

friday so

1:07:25

them every every year we're we're amassing

1:07:28

more data and including them

1:07:29

the averages and so every year

1:07:32

we will change that

1:07:34

well i don't know for the every year that will

1:07:36

change the survival sharp but for the first couple

1:07:38

of years the each new crop

1:07:41

year will have a bigger percentage impact

1:07:43

on average as at as we

1:07:45

amassed more data as crop years go

1:07:48

on each subsequent crop

1:07:50

year will have a smaller and smaller

1:07:53

impact on the overall averages so

1:07:55

are kind of hypothesis is that the survivable

1:07:57

chart wilson

1:07:58

the way into something

1:07:59

the each new crop your will will

1:08:02

only change very little and

1:08:04

there will be some true average

1:08:06

that will eventually get to but

1:08:09

which is not attainable with in the span

1:08:11

two or even three crop years in

1:08:14

addition to that that the other back

1:08:16

about it that we reserve

1:08:19

the right to update and change

1:08:20

is that the compounds that we're highlighting

1:08:24

as analytical equipment gets more sensitive

1:08:26

and as our understanding of hum

1:08:29

of of hop and and beer aroma

1:08:31

evolve we are

1:08:34

constantly kind of identifying

1:08:36

new compounds of interests that we might

1:08:38

want to include that we didn't really

1:08:41

realize where it as impactful as

1:08:43

ass they are so we might want to add

1:08:45

them we might want to remove compounds that were saying

1:08:47

well we thought this was pretty impactful but actually

1:08:49

now that we've identified this new compound we think

1:08:51

that's a bigger

1:08:53

driver of our of hop aroma

1:08:55

in beer so we're gonna suffer now

1:08:57

on i noticed on the charged with

1:08:59

there was some definite differences between

1:09:01

the older one of the new away

1:09:03

yeah so we added ice will be the

1:09:05

likes of leader rate which had not

1:09:07

previously appeared and

1:09:10

along those lines of

1:09:12

the file discussions the sale

1:09:14

august he will

1:09:15

i

1:09:18

love that he was bad for business bad

1:09:21

sorry for supper club so badly

1:09:23

goods is very dad humor

1:09:26

i have a dad soviet as very good

1:09:28

at some stage arms are we

1:09:31

you know that as more was saying you know what

1:09:33

i in her presentation were very

1:09:35

sensitive who sales

1:09:37

we can detect them in the parts per trillion

1:09:41

concentration and so on our first survivable

1:09:44

start we actually kind of like artificially

1:09:46

inflated

1:09:47

are three mh read because

1:09:50

if you didn't it

1:09:52

would disappear off the chart you wouldn't be able to see

1:09:55

it in comparison to the others so applied

1:09:57

in a we basically multiplied it consistent

1:10:00

number across the chart just so that it would be visible

1:10:03

and we had a little asterisk at the bottom

1:10:05

resets this has been inflated

1:10:07

so that you as i at all levels yes

1:10:09

exactly i'm always

1:10:11

what are you we have people on our team so

1:10:13

very passionately one way and the other about whether

1:10:16

or not that's

1:10:17

the knowledge do we ended up

1:10:19

deciding that we're just gonna keep them

1:10:22

the her yeah exactly the

1:10:24

same likes annotations

1:10:26

of the other compounds

1:10:27

so people have seen in

1:10:29

the new aeration of the survival start a

1:10:31

bit of a collapse of that remains that doesn't mean

1:10:34

that there's less now we just decided

1:10:36

we were no longer gonna like artificially inflated

1:10:38

against the others and so you know there's a little

1:10:40

stuff like that that

1:10:43

yeah we're we're just working on as ago they

1:10:46

if i were to say like why

1:10:48

ch wasn't providing that data will be all

1:10:50

stuck with said to suspect

1:10:52

seat which you wouldn't give us enough

1:10:55

of that information

1:10:55

well there's so much cool

1:10:58

new information you guys have come up with hero

1:11:00

y c h the you know is just changing

1:11:02

the way

1:11:04

i'm thinking about hard to know a lot of other people

1:11:06

flu shots great to hear that you like

1:11:08

were able to utilize that and that and really

1:11:10

well yeah unfortunately i have

1:11:13

a moral my freezers go

1:11:15

, and pulsar not go with itself has

1:11:17

has this or yoga dupuis dupuis

1:11:20

let's let's just real quick here talk

1:11:22

through the concept between a

1:11:24

homebrew west coast i p a recipe

1:11:26

okay now i always

1:11:29

have

1:11:31

many hundreds of pounds craft mall in

1:11:33

my in my stash slow i'm

1:11:35

i'm good there you know for the the precursors

1:11:38

that make it barely right less

1:11:42

yeah yeah definitely so

1:11:44

what used to do you recommend star

1:11:47

party and southern part of the nurse

1:11:49

i'm writing this down because someone crisis

1:11:51

since and draw some say

1:11:53

ah phantasm and of rural poor

1:11:55

yeah you dot around one to two pounds

1:11:57

per barrel want to say okay so

1:11:59

can i can

1:12:01

the down ah

1:12:04

i'm and any any recommendations

1:12:06

for for a pool temperature or time

1:12:08

for that we , seen

1:12:10

a big impact so doesn't really matter

1:12:13

matter if one of one of i was going to be doing

1:12:15

for a pool hops it's the same time would

1:12:17

that be a good thing a bad sudan's

1:12:20

if laughing at that assist loading in

1:12:22

the survival loading and those precursors

1:12:24

accounts as as have a complementary okay

1:12:28

and

1:12:29

i'll pop now since the original

1:12:31

boy and enemies spencer had told

1:12:33

me a while back is as working on some

1:12:35

other blames for those

1:12:36

yeah so crowds office kind of the the

1:12:39

product that is the

1:12:41

natural

1:12:43

the

1:12:44

yeah successor to all the survival research

1:12:46

we basically

1:12:47

you know we assess every

1:12:48

lot of heart that comes an arm

1:12:50

of for that we received during harvest

1:12:53

switches thousands arm for

1:12:55

you know aroma

1:12:56

we do century assessments what we also do the

1:12:58

analytical assessments of of the survive

1:13:00

but that's that's how the survival cherries made

1:13:04

and so we because we

1:13:06

received so many lots of hops every year we

1:13:08

kind of realize that we should sort of high grade

1:13:11

high survival both mama i'm

1:13:14

not even necessarily charging targeting

1:13:16

anything bridal specific but really looking

1:13:18

at the survivable specifically so

1:13:20

could be any variety i'm

1:13:22

just looking out what out what

1:13:25

are coming in that are really in survivable

1:13:28

stealing them for i am , russia

1:13:31

and one of the sequester

1:13:33

sam members say as a pretty nicely serve

1:13:36

as serve competition with lots are coming at

1:13:38

you know as a father still if people want to get their

1:13:40

customers the valley allies lots

1:13:42

and and we're here trying to make her woodlands ancestors

1:13:45

kind of a funny the some jocularity

1:13:47

them but

1:13:48

we yes the we were basically using

1:13:50

that framework to select specific

1:13:52

lot to blend together and that is what

1:13:54

crowd pop how

1:13:57

crap op was born

1:13:58

and it is then

1:14:00

we validated that by checking the the levels

1:14:02

as the survivable then indeed

1:14:05

they , they were the higher than any

1:14:08

individual drop

1:14:10

friday by itself

1:14:12

so our next kind

1:14:14

of adoration of that are how are trying to evolve

1:14:16

it and we're not person on the super hard

1:14:18

by we we thought okay

1:14:20

we know where the survivable

1:14:23

compounds is identified we understand what

1:14:25

aroma characteristics their lending to beer

1:14:28

we we kind of the you know geraniums

1:14:30

very rosy floral when

1:14:32

was kind of a citrus see i'm

1:14:34

you know fruity whatever

1:14:36

so we thought maybe we could target

1:14:38

like specific flavors yeah i'm

1:14:41

and and knowing what survivable

1:14:43

contribute

1:14:44

those flavors and aromas select

1:14:47

lots again not stealing them to

1:14:50

said if we are allied and hope

1:14:52

to kind of maximize to be to be a little

1:14:54

bit more success about which survivable we

1:14:56

were blending

1:14:57

it's

1:14:58

survivors we were targeting for blending and

1:15:00

to enter i'm an an eventual

1:15:02

specific slavery wow we've

1:15:05

met varying degrees of success of this

1:15:07

you know again as again said this said this can a new

1:15:09

research arm are why seats

1:15:12

trial six so too has targeted

1:15:14

ads and a mango profile his

1:15:16

arm and that one's been

1:15:17

very successful these beers brewed

1:15:20

with that has consistently and you know when we run

1:15:22

pierce through our our century an

1:15:24

old they're always blanco that our panelists don't know

1:15:26

what their tasting they have no idea working on

1:15:28

their people from finance from whatever they don't know

1:15:32

and we've just had a really high consistent

1:15:35

mango ratings on that plan so awesome that's

1:15:37

great rock and roll but ah

1:15:39

we were also trying to target of

1:15:41

very aroma this

1:15:44

has been more challenging see

1:15:46

, we've and ,

1:15:48

we worked on it for couple years you

1:15:51

know blending

1:15:52

we thought we knew what compounds we should target

1:15:54

to try to get buried the bears pretty elusive

1:15:57

you know

1:15:58

and

1:15:59

work on it for awhile a couple

1:16:02

years and actually recently

1:16:03

the decided to and

1:16:06

if

1:16:06

forgive another plan going out

1:16:09

we've decided tip to berries i think

1:16:13

, they are by

1:16:15

yeah so you know that this know that nature of our

1:16:17

indie like not everything's a winner and

1:16:20

it's all about the the pursuit of of

1:16:22

new frontier his and sometimes it's like that elderly

1:16:24

can do that and that's that's also an okay inter

1:16:26

sometimes so i can do as

1:16:29

use cryo pop it's dry hopped

1:16:31

zero target is is that the best thing to

1:16:33

do with him

1:16:33

i think i'm later on as as

1:16:36

better yeah i was any cryo products

1:16:38

because it is that concentrated loop

1:16:40

un it's more

1:16:42

expensive and i think

1:16:44

you're going to retain more and more

1:16:46

of that yeah yeah and i

1:16:48

, to admit that i don't do a lot of son

1:16:51

dryer or to happen during fermentation

1:16:53

so yeah because i relate that

1:16:55

to noon when i p n madeleine

1:16:57

anything working on my pc sheriff

1:17:00

that that's me that's me all your new and replay

1:17:02

sends out there go do what you wanted

1:17:06

okay we have been talking

1:17:08

to war burn some amazes us plebs

1:17:10

just ruffle from phantasm

1:17:13

him as a sorority from the munchies

1:17:15

hops about really

1:17:17

, new stuff is happening thank

1:17:19

you guys all for taking the time to talk

1:17:22

to me today i know that you just just

1:17:24

done research seminar you probably won't go have about

1:17:26

like fourteen years so let's

1:17:29

call it call day social it a think they'll

1:17:31

so ah fascinating

1:17:34

a snowman have all these people were are

1:17:36

all these companies were finally working on the

1:17:39

stuff on their own and then they said over

1:17:41

the skies do it had to these people during it's

1:17:44

let's all get together and see how

1:17:46

our products work together a

1:17:48

rising tide lifts all files

1:17:50

oh

1:17:53

no and relic this is the

1:17:55

business or the hot thing and in the brain

1:17:57

old are adults with a i want to catch

1:18:00

these fantastic flavors and

1:18:02

now there's just increase tools

1:18:04

to the to really do it yards

1:18:06

like the or what can we get our the mall

1:18:08

what can we get out of this additional bright

1:18:10

the drops much three for free files what

1:18:13

can we do to transform all this and just

1:18:15

really boost those rumors and flavors i'll

1:18:17

be really curious to see where all this goes

1:18:21

is that our summers with the these

1:18:24

beers i've had that been fi own hands

1:18:27

it's almost too intense the

1:18:30

be really curious to see we're we're we're

1:18:32

very end up and land with the whole world

1:18:34

of file manipulation

1:18:37

and you know for me one of the

1:18:39

biggest his voice from all this is

1:18:42

everybody was thinking files in terms

1:18:44

of a hard from the use in a recent one

1:18:46

of the largest producers

1:18:49

of file precursors the

1:18:51

martha you use a half so

1:18:54

this is you know we've talked a lot about how

1:18:56

you know people need to start thinking more about

1:18:58

the mall to they're using and and vault

1:19:01

is just not mall in an alley the

1:19:03

amount of different characters and

1:19:05

, of the things they have stressing

1:19:08

was is probably the largest

1:19:10

source of file precursors

1:19:12

is the most that you use of

1:19:14

us so so ,

1:19:17

goal is to take some of this great

1:19:19

crash molson i've got here use

1:19:21

some of the omega star parties

1:19:24

are some of the phantasm in the whirlpool

1:19:26

because you're just said that's the best

1:19:28

place to use it and then of course

1:19:31

cryo hearts because i always cry

1:19:33

or hobson and listen and i pierre so

1:19:36

out hopefully the next i'm

1:19:39

not going to put a time on but

1:19:41

hopefully before to on i'm going to be able to

1:19:43

have a chance to britain serfs send some

1:19:45

down to drew and we'll see how successfully

1:19:48

i can recreate that kinda thing

1:19:50

then n f losers will remember

1:19:53

couple the couple

1:19:55

of says back now on the brew files were

1:19:57

was starting to the first than he ever

1:19:59

make the the tropics series

1:20:02

used me over there berkeley he slams as

1:20:04

they talked about moink were there the

1:20:07

things are trying to do is to put

1:20:09

together a more

1:20:11

chart that shows of what different

1:20:13

most contributing terms of files they

1:20:16

have the exact same reaction which is that he

1:20:18

are more provides so much style

1:20:20

precursor are bound files the

1:20:23

bill they would be done not

1:20:25

an actual figure out how to use that if that's what if

1:20:28

that's your goal so they were actually working

1:20:30

on putting together mozart and so i target with

1:20:32

them see where they're at

1:20:33

and a on the next episode

1:20:35

we're going to have another interview from hop and brew

1:20:37

school with the spencer cucumber hire

1:20:39

who's been on the show before talking about

1:20:42

cryo hops and a pet

1:20:44

jensen who's the head of r and d

1:20:46

there and they have

1:20:48

gone in even more research

1:20:50

about what's going on with cryo hobbs

1:20:53

and the various compounds in them and

1:20:55

a pat has come up with some clever little

1:20:58

rhyme so that you can really

1:21:00

remember a which compounds

1:21:02

count and which ones don't and how they interact

1:21:04

with each other so lots of good knowledge

1:21:07

from hop and bruce school coming at ya the

1:21:09

only thing better abuse if you were there yourself

1:21:11

next year

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having a beer

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and having a beer

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1:23:47

i were what is your living

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your place yeah oh so

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in other words like for instance take the house nine years

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since i've been working on us of miles

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from nineteen twenty five i installing a lot of details

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on it so i now have a google doc that tells

1:24:03

everything about the house everything i've discovered and clean

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1:24:07

the nineteen fifties where all their graves are what

1:24:10

the various house paint colors are the

1:24:12

where all the emergency shut offs are and

1:24:14

yeah by the way that's part of the burrito so

1:24:16

you know lifting out like all the stuff that's involved in the buried

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[unk] if i've ever forget something

1:24:21

it's there in the documents and if i ever subtlest

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was will be in the documentary oh

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until the next time remember to always brew

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experimentally or

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real wacky and will see you on

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the next episode of experimental

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