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Hello everyone. It is between

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the train Fran scene and you are

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listening to Eyes up here with print

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scene and I heard reading the network

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or wherever you get your podcasts. As

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always, I am Joys on his dad. What

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up dog? Jest Sir of Jubilance

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is stop looking at me like thatman,

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you are what You're

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looking at me like you got something ruined,

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and that scares me.

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I have the same look at my face every

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every week five

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years.

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A man, you don't when you when

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you have something stern, when the hands are sparing

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in the wheels, galling in your head, I

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know exactly, say you know good,

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you know I'm right. You're thinking it's something else.

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You're you're on a different universe right now. You're

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thinking of something completely

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not what we're doing right now. And

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I know what you're thinking and trussing

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me off.

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It's rather.

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You're ridiculous.

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Oh my god.

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I just every every time we step

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behind these microphones and never know

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what's going to happen next, And god, I

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love every second.

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Oh my god.

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The sorry I had to I had to drop

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it. I will beat it, but I love it.

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I love it, love it, love it.

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Never a dull movement. No, you

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know, there's always a way to keep my name

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out there, and I tend to find it good

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or bad. I'm out there yolo.

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Lately it's been finding you. I

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know, right, you're not finding it, it's finding

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you.

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I don't I don't know. I

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don't know. Is there heat now? Do

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I have heat with Live Morgan? Is

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there some kind of heat going away?

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It seems like there was a little bit of heat.

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That's so crazy.

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You know, I'm not trying to create a

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ruckus.

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But well, you know, you

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kind of start at one.

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Me too. I was just casually doing

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my job with you. I'm producing it.

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I don't know, man, I've never said a bad word

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about her. I'm just I'm gonna go on the

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record have I

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no, no, never said a bad

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word about her. I think she's a good little worker. I

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think she's got a great look, really pretty girl.

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I've said that so many times. And

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then I don't I didn't understand

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the tweet.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if she's just like putting herself over,

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if it's a slap in the face in my direction.

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I can't. I know I was trying

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to and I don't know, certain

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people are telling me one thing, certain people

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are telling me another thing, and

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I'm just like, hmmm, I

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don't know what I don't know what it means. And if you don't know what

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I'm talking about. It

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all stems from our YouTube video that

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we did. Go watch the video. It's

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over on ecw D verfrean scene over

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on YouTube all about

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the trademark, about the Queen of Extreme name. It's

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a big thing, big to do, lots

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of fights on Twitter last

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week. It was crazy, crazy,

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crazy, But I didn't get to mention

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it on the show because it happened after we

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went off the air, in real

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time, like we just

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went off the air.

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Mind blowing. It just it's like one of those

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things like you ever see Old School

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with Will Ferrell, Like remember the scene

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where he blacked out, you know where he went on that speech,

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he blacked out, Like it all happened so fast.

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I find a black I'm

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gonna have to go watch that again because I don't remember

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that scene. But you know, I'm

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the type of person I know that

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not everybody is going

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to like you in this world, and

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I am one of those people that I want people

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to like me. I don't

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want people to dislike me for something

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that I didn't do or didn't say.

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And anything that I've ever said was

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never directed at any of the ladies. It

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was always directed at the company at

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the WWE. So you

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know, if there's a personal grudge

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here, it's not from me. It's

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definitely towards them. And

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you know, it's it's kind of sad

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when you just you look at

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someone and you admire them and then they

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tweet at you and you don't know how to take it. I don't

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I don't really know what she meant by that. So

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if it was a slap in the face, well so

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be it. But I

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never said a negative word about her.

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No. No, those fans,

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those fans nasty word.

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They're nasty. This this generation.

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I'm sorry I have to say, and I sound

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like I'm one hundred years old, but they are

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nasty little bitches, so

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nasty they

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just the way they were things and

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and call their name calling,

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and they're they're trying

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to like a lot of it is like you're

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old. I got a lot of that. You're

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so old. It's

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like, oh my god. And

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they're like I told you, they're between the ages

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of sixteen and twenty two. You're

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old, your development get out of here, like

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what? And then my fans are just like,

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you're stupid. Do your homework. You're

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girl wrestling one oh one history

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and learn who the legends are. I'm

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telling you there were there were huge fights back

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and forth. It's crazy.

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You're stupid.

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I'm older. We are

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older, not old.

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I'm older. How dare

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you?

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Hey? Look, I mean I hate to tell everybody,

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but the guy who's in one of the main spots

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for WrestleMania is about your age. So

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you're old, but the rock seems

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to be doing pretty good these days. Yeah,

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he is.

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Age is just the number of my friend. I'm

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out here, moving and shaken. They can

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all kiss my ass. I'm gonna do all

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these little little bitches

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can all kiss my ass. I'm so

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sick.

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Wait a second, I think that's trademarked.

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Oh my god, I'm sorry,

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but it's rude. People are super rude.

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I would never go on somebody's

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socials and be like, who are

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you? What did you do? It's

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like Google is your friend if

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you're too young to know anything about me

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or easy w google it, check

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us out, see what you missed, you

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know? But it was. It was so great.

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It was like my fans were like piranhas.

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They just came up out of the water and they were

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just attacking. And there's

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one thread where there's this one girl

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that called me old and she got

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one hundred and forty nine responses

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from my fans. Holy, they

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destroyed her.

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I didn't have to say a word. They

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destroyed her.

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Wow, man, it just did

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some man. Huh,

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I said, I got a breath again from all this.

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It's so ridiculous. I'm so over

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it. You know, Like I said,

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I know, not everybody is gonna love

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me, and I'm not everybody's generation.

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I get that, and not everybody's in ECW

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mark. That's fine, but there's no reason

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to be rude. No

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a name call and curse at

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me and ridiculous things.

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I'm telling you. My twitter's still

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blowing up. Look nineteen,

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I just cleared it every time I

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heard it, but twenty it pops back up to twenty.

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I'm just gonna stop reading it. I'm done

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crazy, I'm done anyway.

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You got a good show.

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Really big shoes, shoe.

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I don't even know what we're doing, but uh,

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let's send over The link.

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Link is on the way all right, and uh.

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We're gonna get our guests

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on and I'm gonna I'm gonna calm down.

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You need a little zen.

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I need I need something. I

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need something in my life. I need, you know what? I

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need that? Uh? Wait,

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that takes away the

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bad juju?

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Yeah, you need like a like a medi spa thing

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to run.

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What's the thing? They

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come in your house and they do it's

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like a it's lit. It's got

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like smoke coming out of it, and it clears

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all the bed like incense.

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Yeah, but I don't know what it's called. They go like

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this to you, they shake it in your face.

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I'm just picturing the priests at church.

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It's all the bad juju.

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We have a special guest today. Mackenzie

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Mitchell is here right

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from where where are you are You in

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Florida?

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I'm in Orlando.

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Thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here.

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Absolutely. My girlfriend Betty

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drove you the other day and I was like, you know what, I

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want her on the show. Can you can you arrange

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that? And then she said sure? And

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then you did something for Signed by Superstars.

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M h how that guy.

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Did that was great? I had a great

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time. That was my first time meeting Rob and crew

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and it was an awesome time. I was already in

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the Connecticut area and then Rob

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is like, why don't you come to Philly into a signing

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with us? So since I was already in the northeast,

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I just I was lucky enough to have Betty

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drive me. She's fantastic. We

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got we got to know each other quite

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well whenever we were just driving for

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three hours in traffic and you name it. And

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so it was a lot of fun.

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Oh good, I'm glad you had a good experience. I

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worked with Rob for oh my gosh,

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decades, decades

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and decades, and every year I

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do a New

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Year's Eve live where

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I was involved, and it's very.

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I bet that's a fun time.

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I bet a lot of stories are shared there.

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It's very sloppy, let's just put it that way.

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A lot of fun. So you

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are just out of WWE

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ring announcer for what four

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years there, so.

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I was a backstage interviewer. That was kind

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of my bread and butter. Where I was doing. I was on

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the NXT side of things, so I was on the Tuesday

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brand and then I would

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do live events every once in a while, so I would do

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some re announcing. Just as I left in

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December, I was dabbling in the re announcing

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and I was really loving it. I got to kind

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of show a different side of myself and connect with the

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audience in a different way. As

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backstage interviewer, you're connecting through the screen,

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but you're not getting to physically talk to the fans

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a lot of the time.

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So that was fun.

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And then I was hosting a show

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called ww now, which is like their weekly

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show where they're talking about like what you can expect

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to see on Raw and SmackDown. And then I did

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a couple other digital shows, so kind of a little

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bit of everywhere, my hands in a lot of pots, and I

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had a It was a great time for sure, a

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lot a lot of fun.

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So getting into the

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wrestling business, did this kind

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of opportunity just fall in your lap,

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Like, I mean, you're not trained to work, am

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I? I'm not, Okay, I'm not.

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Yeah, the opportunity really did follow my

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lap. I graduated from the University

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of Mississippi with a broadcast degree, and

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I right out of college started in the

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world of professional wrestling. I was really lucky

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to land my first job with Impact

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Wrestling now TNA, and

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so I knew nothing about wrestling.

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I was very honest about that, and I

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learned on the fly. I think I found and

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realized the other day. One of my first interviews

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was with like Jeff Hardy on a Facebook

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live and I was live and I'm

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like, what am I supposed to ask Jeff Hardy? I don't

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even know this business. I haven't learned anything.

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I'm just learning as we're going. But

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that's kind of the beauty of it too. And so I

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was at Impact for about four years

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and then I landed my job at WWE.

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I applied for the job on the

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internet on WWE careers

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dot com. That's how I got my start

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in WWE, which is kind of wild.

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You would think with all the connections and the friends

12:21

and the small industry that it is, i'd

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have somebody put a word in for me, but

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it was. It was a really unique experience

12:29

that I applied for the job on the internet

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on WWE careers dot com and then I got

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the job and they moved me from LA

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to Connecticut, and then I ended up

12:38

being in Florida for the NXT.

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Brand And how long were you there

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for in total?

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I was there for almost five years.

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I was, yeah, about about

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five years, twenty nineteen through twenty

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twenty four, so maybe that would be four.

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I was there for about.

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Four, okay, But you weren't

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the type of person that wanted to ever be

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in the wrestling busin like, you didn't grow Did you grow

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up a wrestling thing?

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I didn't. I didn't grow up a wrestling fan.

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My aunt was a wrestling fan growing up.

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She would make my she tells the story about

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she would make my mom play like wrestling.

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Wrestling at the chase is what they did back in the day,

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and so they loved

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it. But my mom and my aunt are eight years

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of heart, and so I learned a little bit from

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her. But I never really watched it as

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a kid, And so then I got to learn

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the industry and a whole different with a fresh

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set of eyes when I came into the business, which

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was also kind of cool because I got to learn

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and go through all the childs and tribulations

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of it and just

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get to learn the uniqueness of the business and learn

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the respect I have for the business. It's such a

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it's such a beautiful thing.

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Well, that's great. How were you treated when

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you first got there, because I know I've

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been in it for over thirty years now, and

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there's a lot of people who

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feel like, you know, if you didn't put

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your dues, they

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would treat talent a certain way.

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Did you have any problems when you first got

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there? Did anybody treat you not

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so nice or in a way that you were

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just like, ooh, I'm really uncomfortable.

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Not necessarily, I had to navigate some

14:15

conversations a little bit, but

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I was able to navigate that.

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In my own way and kind

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of prove myself.

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I think that was that was mostly

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what the conversation was

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about, was like, well, this girl's coming in right out

14:29

of college. I'm like a fresh face. I'm

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what twenty one twenty

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two, Like I didn't know anything, and

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so that was kind of the interesting

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part for me, was just proving that I

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can entertain, I can be in

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this business, I can learn on the fly,

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like I can do all of those things and

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do it gracefully and have a good job and

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make a good job. And once

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I developed that relationship with talent and

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the camaraderie behind the business, and I

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really got to gain everyone's trust.

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I think that was what it was about.

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Answer this the way you want to answer it. No

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pressure. I'm sure you're

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familiar with the stories that are going around with Vince

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McMahon and upper management. Were

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you or did you know? And

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you can tell as much or as little as you want. Did

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you ever experience

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any weirdness,

15:30

any pressure in

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order to either keep your

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job or be because I've had

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experiences there. I only lasted

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their six months. I worked

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there in two thousand and six, and I was told

15:45

to get noticed, I

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had to rub my chest with oil and go

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into Vince McMahon's room, lean

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over his desk and try

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to talk to him to get him to notice

15:58

me, and that kind of thing. At this point,

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I was already in the business for thirteen years.

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I worked for ACW, I was on TV,

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I did countless pay per views.

16:07

I was already established as a worker, so

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I didn't feel like that was something that needed

16:12

to be done. So I flat out the no and

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I was released.

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Wow.

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So did you experience

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anything towards

16:21

yourself or did you see anything backstage

16:24

that you were just like, maybe

16:27

this is not different for me

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or.

16:30

Yet Lucky enough, I did

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not I had a really pleasant experience

16:35

at my time with WWE. I did

16:37

not experience any type of situation that way.

16:39

I think too, it's such a

16:41

different time. I think it's a different

16:43

era of it being in twenty twenty four

16:46

and the women are are headlining

16:49

WrestleMania and pay per views and roal rumbles

16:51

and you name it, and so I

16:54

feel like it's a different time, it's a different era.

16:56

And so I was lucky enough to not ever experience

16:59

that or to see any thing of that matter.

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Okay, Yeah, I'm just throwing it

17:03

out there because there's so many stories

17:06

that are

17:08

yeah, and they're continuing to come

17:10

out. Every day. There's like somebody

17:12

stepping up and saying this happened, then that happened,

17:16

you know, and it just this

17:19

is my business, and it just makes

17:21

me so upset to hear

17:24

all these things and to have these young women

17:26

be put in these positions to

17:29

keep their jobs or to get

17:31

a job, and I'm just like, man, it is

17:33

not worth it, you know. And and there's

17:36

life after WWE. There

17:38

was life before WWE. And that's what

17:41

I try to explain to people, like I just walked

17:43

out and it

17:46

just wasn't for me. And I mean, if that's

17:48

if that's something what people want to do,

17:51

and you could look at yourself in the mirror and say, hey,

17:53

I'm good with that, then by all means like

17:55

that's that's great.

17:57

But I wasn't with people. So

18:00

I'm so glad that you did not have to

18:02

go through that and that you had a really good experience

18:05

there. Do you

18:07

want to continue in wrestling,

18:10

Like, are you looking to still fulfill

18:12

that role for another company or are

18:14

you planning to move on and

18:17

maybe do other things?

18:20

You know, I've toyed with that idea a little bit

18:22

because I've been in wrestling now

18:24

almost it's been eight years,

18:27

almost nine years, and so it's taken

18:29

a lot of my life.

18:31

My all of my twenties was in the wrestling

18:33

business. My husband and I

18:35

were both in wrestling. That's how

18:38

we met each other. He still works with NXT

18:40

with WWE, so that's really unique

18:42

in itself. So

18:45

this is the first time I've not had a contract in eight

18:47

years, and so that's

18:49

what really it's a freeing

18:51

experience because I can have the

18:53

ability to do whatever I want

18:55

to do, and so I'm

18:58

really just enjoying my time now. And

19:00

I just launched my show Threads, which we

19:03

talked about a little bit off record when we were texting.

19:06

I just launched my own YouTube show, and that was

19:08

a show that I had pitched to WWE for four

19:10

years. The entirety that I was there. I

19:13

never picked it up, picked it up. They didn't green light it.

19:16

There were well, we filmed a pilot, and

19:18

the pilot we filmed in February

19:21

of last year, and then

19:23

it just I circled back in August and there

19:25

was just it never it never got

19:28

greenlit and never we never saw the light of day

19:30

of it. And so the pilot was with Johnny

19:32

Gargano, and he had some fantastic

19:34

stories, you know, the gear like

19:36

there's it just puts a different kind of a spin

19:39

on the conversation. There's only so many times

19:41

you can ask, like, what's your favorite roll a rumbo moment,

19:43

what's your favorite wrestlemanning wrestlmaning moment?

19:45

I could probably google that and find that on the

19:47

internet. But this is a way to bring fresh

19:50

new conversations and talk about things

19:52

that I know about the business, which style and

19:54

fashion and things that I care

19:56

about I don't I don't I've never been in the ring, so I

19:58

don't know how it feels too take

20:00

a suplex or to take a bump, Like, I

20:03

don't know that, but I do know that,

20:06

right, I'm like, but I do not.

20:07

I always say I'm a better.

20:08

Talker than I think I would be athlete and wrestler,

20:11

which is how why I had my job. But

20:14

I always say like, I just yeah,

20:16

this is something I know about and I care about.

20:19

And when there's new gear, I'm like, oh my gosh, I

20:21

want to know all about it, and people have given

20:23

me one second.

20:23

You make gear as well.

20:25

I don't make gear. I design my own

20:28

jewelry pieces. I have my own jewelry brand

20:30

five and Yes, headlined by

20:32

it Man. My family's been in fine jewelry for seventy

20:35

five years, so I've learned a thing or two

20:37

throughout the years. My great grandmother and great grandfather

20:39

started a small local business back

20:41

in the nineteen fifties. My grandmother

20:44

and my aunt still run the store today. It still

20:46

survives, which is really really awesome. And

20:49

so I knew I wanted to create a business around the

20:51

jewelry business. I just didn't know a jewelry

20:53

on the stage didn't know what it was going to be. When

20:55

I was on TV on a weekly basis, I was like, why

20:57

don't I just design these pieces? Make

21:00

that my my fun, my creative outlet.

21:03

And so I design a lot of my pieces

21:06

and that's kind of where my

21:08

my expertise comes into the fashion side

21:10

of things as well. So, for example, the

21:12

ring I have on is a fidget spinner. It's

21:14

an actual fidget spinner. It

21:16

comes in gold, silver, rose, gold, black.

21:19

It's just been it's been extremely popular. So

21:21

that's been gratifying in itself to just be

21:23

able to put my creativity into something

21:25

that just means more with my family and

21:29

and just the business side of things.

21:32

So that's been great.

21:33

So yeah, it's been awesome. So

21:36

my my thread show has really taken off.

21:39

Yeah, So the the

21:41

premise of Threads is, like you said,

21:44

you're you're not going to discuss wrestling moves

21:46

or matches. You're going to dive

21:48

into more of the fashion sense of

21:51

your Okay, so.

21:54

We talk about So my latest guest was Mandy

21:56

Rose, and so she was at NXT for

21:58

a period of time. She broke records with the n

22:00

xt T Women's Championship and

22:02

so we talked about her time when she unified

22:04

the titles and when she wore these black wings,

22:07

these black angel wings, and she we

22:09

ended up finding out in the story when

22:11

I did the interview that her black wings never

22:13

came in and so she had to go to Party City

22:15

and buy these black wings and they became like

22:18

an iconic look she wore

22:20

time and time again. But she got them for thirty

22:22

five dollars at Parst City, right,

22:24

And so that's just proof in itself that, like if

22:27

you're in a she.

22:28

Was in a pench, and she was like, I got to make something

22:30

work.

22:31

So my next guest that's coming in, yeah,

22:33

exactly, Like we're

22:36

like wanting these wings, and she said, hey, where

22:38

can I get wings? Oh?

22:41

Yeah exactly.

22:42

So there you go. There's the clip. It's

22:44

on my YouTube channel. And my next guest

22:46

is going to be Tory Wilson. So we

22:48

we already did the interview and she's I

22:50

had never met Tory, and she's so gracious

22:52

that she was like, how can I say no to doing this interview?

22:55

I love the concept. I love everything

22:57

about it. I love that we're talking you

22:59

know, like female kind of starting her own

23:01

thing after w W like you said, life

23:04

after WWE, there really is one out

23:06

there, and so

23:08

yeah, i'd I'd love to get you on the show.

23:10

We'll have to talk about your looks from

23:12

ECW days and back in the day, like there's

23:14

so much to uncover.

23:18

Yeah I'm not so good, but.

23:20

But that's okay, you know, Like that's

23:22

that's the cool part about is looking back and

23:24

just reminiscing on some things and be like this didn't

23:26

work, this did work.

23:28

Oh I got reaction from this.

23:29

I sold this piece for whatever, you know what I

23:31

mean, Like people don't even know what, Like

23:34

what do you wear it? Sometimes? And then it sits in

23:36

a closet for how many years?

23:38

And it's a special place in your heart. But

23:40

what do you do with it?

23:41

So you sell it?

23:44

Sell it right or or

23:47

you can talk about it then on this show, which is

23:49

a perfect place.

23:49

I would live those moments whenever

23:52

you want me. Just we have each other's number.

23:54

You can always just call and say, hey, what

23:56

are you doing tomorrow or whatever.

23:58

Absolutely, I would love Yes, Yes,

24:02

it.

24:02

Is a different type

24:04

of show and a different concept, so I think a lot

24:06

of people would be interested

24:08

in it. And I don't know why WW was

24:11

not because see with me at

24:14

the stage that I'm at because I'm a mom, you

24:16

know, I have two kids. I'm busy, right,

24:19

and I'm doing all this wrestling on the side, and

24:21

I have the podcast. I don't have

24:23

time to sit down and watch

24:25

twenty four hours of wrestling a week, because

24:27

it's a lot. It is a lot, right,

24:31

But I find myself gravitating

24:34

to more of the reality aspects

24:37

of the workers these days. So I go to

24:39

YouTube and I watch a

24:41

lot of their own like little diaries that

24:43

they put out because I love the

24:46

For me, like the behind the scenes is

24:49

sometimes more thrilling than what I'm

24:51

watching.

24:52

No doubt in the right Absolutely it'll And

24:55

that's the thing is it allows you to connect

24:57

to a

24:59

person rather than a character and

25:02

get to know their stories. And I've learned

25:05

just from these past three episodes, like a

25:07

lot of the wrestlers have a common color

25:10

that makes them feel comfortable, it makes them feel

25:12

confident, and their stories like the

25:14

Party City one

25:16

or you know, just all of those

25:18

that allows you to connect to who these people

25:21

are rather than just what you're seeing

25:23

on the screen. And I feel like in today's

25:25

society, you want that you want to get to

25:27

know. You want to pull the cover, like the curtain

25:30

back a little bit and get to know who they

25:32

are personally. That's what allows you to

25:34

connect on a deeper level, on a storytelling

25:36

level.

25:38

One hundred percent. And it also lets

25:40

you see the person outside of

25:43

the character they play, because I

25:45

know when I worked, I was a

25:48

bitch and the biggest

25:50

heel that you can imagine, which was totally

25:52

opposite of the person that I

25:54

am in real life. Seeing

25:57

these people sitting down and talking as

26:00

a real human being, that attracts

26:03

me to the product more

26:05

so than seeing them play a character. I

26:07

think I kind of transitioned

26:10

from being like the diehard wrestling fan

26:13

and now I just want to see more of the person

26:15

that they are for real. And I gravitate

26:17

towards those YouTube videos,

26:20

and yeah, a lot of them. I watch people's

26:22

home vlogs, and you know, I

26:25

love the on the road when people are vlogging,

26:27

when they're on the road and they're going to like

26:30

I don't know if they stop it at Denny's

26:32

or if they go to a toy store or they're

26:34

they're buying an outfit or whatever. I

26:36

just like to see the backstage store.

26:40

And two exactly like and and

26:42

for me, it's been really gratifying. The

26:45

past two guests, Mandy and Matt have both texted

26:47

me after the episode launched and said, thank

26:50

you. This is such a unique spin that allows

26:52

me to tell my story because

26:54

so many times on WWE,

26:58

you're given a script, you're given a and

27:00

you're giving a criteria that you must meet

27:02

and who you are to fit that role. But

27:05

this both of them, when they sent me text

27:07

messages and said thank you, You're

27:09

onto something.

27:10

This is so cool.

27:10

This was such a different conversation that

27:13

was rewarding in itself because I'm like, Okay,

27:15

I'm doing something bigger here. It's not just

27:18

about the character and the times that

27:20

they want a title, Like titles are

27:22

great and all, but that's not all that makes

27:24

a career, right, And so just

27:26

those little moments in itself to me made

27:29

me go like, Okay, this is fun. This

27:31

makes all the sense in the world for me to do this.

27:34

That's great and it's unique.

27:35

Yeah, you're doing something.

27:36

That no one else is doing right now. So I think

27:38

that's a really really good concept that you

27:41

have. So I think you can close up for

27:43

you now. Thank you. There is,

27:45

it's YouTube. Is this on YouTube

27:47

as well?

27:48

Yep? On my YouTube channel just

27:50

It's Mackenzie and Mitchell, which is all my social

27:52

media. It's just the YouTube. You

27:55

can you can click in it in and you can go in and

27:57

watch all the videos. I do launch some exclusives

27:59

as well too of the video, because once

28:02

we get to talking, then we've got thirty

28:04

minutes of content, forty five minutes of content,

28:06

and I'm like, well, these stories have to live somewhere.

28:08

So then if it doesn't make the full fifteen to

28:10

seventeen minute episode, then I'll make them exclusives

28:13

and put them on social media so other people can

28:15

feel like they can connect.

28:16

To the conversation too.

28:18

Gotcha. So when you were

28:20

in WWE, did you have like a

28:22

travel buddy? Who did you travel

28:24

with?

28:25

So my best friend is Chelsea Green.

28:28

Doing wonderful right now?

28:30

She is. I'm so excited for

28:32

this new era of Chelsea.

28:35

She was she was in an XT. She broke

28:37

her arm.

28:38

I think she broke her arm like two to three times

28:40

throughout her time with WWE, and then

28:43

I felt bad she got cut short when

28:45

she broke her arm. I think she made her SmackDown

28:47

debut and the same episode she broke

28:50

her arm. She got released in

28:52

the days of COVID I think it was, and

28:55

then when she made her her return,

28:57

I was. I was one of the first people that she told

28:59

because of course I was in the business and we talk business

29:03

related or not business related, right, So

29:06

anytime I got to work with her was so much

29:08

fun. And you meet, I mean you meet, you get it. The

29:10

camaraderie of people that you

29:12

get to see and connect to and

29:14

it's like your family. I was on a weekly

29:16

basis, going on tuesdays to hang

29:18

out with these people for twelve

29:20

hours at a time, and so you get to

29:23

know a lot about them. So

29:25

yeah, I was. I was lucky to meet some really

29:27

cool friends. I loved hanging out with

29:29

Chelsea, Roxane Perez, coraa Jade.

29:32

They're a little bit on the they just are

29:34

really younger in the n XT side of things.

29:36

I'm excited to see what they do. But

29:39

yeah, I love some of those

29:41

girls.

29:45

Yeah, it's so good when you move good

29:48

people and then it continues even

29:50

if you leave, or if they leave.

29:52

Yet you to give me that's that's

29:55

right, that's a true test of friendship.

29:57

For here I've always felt that way.

30:00

Let let you let you know if it were just the

30:02

worst of friendship or just because

30:04

it was convenience, or if it made sense

30:07

throughout your time after WW

30:10

or after wrestling or whatever.

30:11

Right, Yes, sometimes it is because I've had

30:14

friends that were locker room friends.

30:16

But then I have my girlfriends that I've been friends

30:18

with for thirty years, and sometimes

30:21

for each other. I mean, gosh,

30:23

there's some I don't see each other for years and years,

30:25

but that's what the film's for, in your

30:27

face time and it's like we haven't

30:30

missed the beat and I've met doubt whistling,

30:32

so they've become family, and.

30:34

It's Yeah, for sure, I totally

30:36

feel that.

30:37

I feel that, Well, what's next

30:40

for miss Mitchell? What are we doing?

30:42

Do we? Well?

30:43

As I've mentioned with Threads, I'm really excited

30:45

for the show and to see where we can go with

30:47

that. I've got Tory Wilson

30:50

coming up, and then i have another episode

30:52

them filming next week. I don't

30:55

know who. I can't reveal just

30:57

yet who the episode is going to be, but I'm really

30:59

excited for this one. So continue

31:02

to just really hit Threads

31:04

as a home run and just like take it to the next

31:07

level and then work on headline. I'm in

31:09

Winner Park Fashion Week this upcoming week, so

31:12

I'm dressing the models and all of my jewelry

31:14

and stuff, and so I'm really excited

31:17

about that, just to kind of get things going

31:19

and really hone in on the style and fashion

31:21

of things, whether it's professional wrestling or

31:24

Winner Park Fashion Week. It's just always been a passion

31:26

of mine and so now I get to take some

31:29

of my loves and combine them, which is a beautiful

31:31

thing. So is your jewelry online

31:34

or is it online?

31:35

Okay? Where can we find your pieces?

31:38

Headline by mm dot com

31:40

or you can go to my social media and

31:42

I'm connected on my social media as well. If you

31:44

follow me Mackenzie and Mitchell, you can

31:47

connect to headline through there. Here we can

31:49

go there's the website. Yeah,

31:52

it's a.

31:52

Very awesome website. I've been

31:55

standing through it. Very very awesome

31:57

website.

31:58

Thank you.

31:58

I designed it all on my own. Yes,

32:01

I've been up at times at three

32:03

am coding my website. And I'm like, I

32:05

have no business coding my website because

32:07

i have no clue what I'm doing.

32:10

But like you said, YouTube gives you a lot of information.

32:12

Oh so they're wearing your pieces.

32:15

Yeah, I've had Seth Rollins, Yeah,

32:18

Williams Trick has kind of made it part of

32:20

his.

32:22

Like his entrance, which has been really cool.

32:24

And then I just had Melanie

32:26

Collins recently where on

32:29

CBS on NFL she was wearing it

32:31

sideline and I think that game was showed to

32:33

over thirty million people, so that was really

32:35

really amazing for me.

32:37

That's awesome.

32:38

Good for you, thank you.

32:40

So it's really taking off, which

32:42

I'm so happy about.

32:44

And I'm lucky enough.

32:46

That my friends are really cool and they do really cool

32:48

things and so they can help me promote it, which

32:50

is great. But even then, it's like Natty

32:53

loves to buy my stuff, several others

32:55

love to buy my stuff. Seth is wearing my stuff

32:57

on you know, on raw and big

32:59

moments and commercials and things. So that's really

33:02

rewarding too.

33:03

Oh well, that's beautiful. Are you doing any

33:06

cons coming up? Because I'll be at Wressel Khan.

33:08

Will you be at wrestaurant?

33:09

I will be at Russell Khan And I think Betty

33:12

told me you're going to be at big event.

33:14

Oh, I will be a big event.

33:15

I will be at a big event.

33:16

I will be there at a big event for the event, and

33:20

then I also will be at Russell

33:22

Khan. And I'm

33:24

doing a few other signings here and there. I'm going

33:27

to Reality of Wrestling Booker T and Charmel.

33:29

I'm going to be working with them for one

33:32

show in April on April thirteenth,

33:34

which I'm excited about. So I'm doing some

33:36

little shows and conventions here and there,

33:38

just whatever will have me. So I'm excited

33:41

for that one. Wressell Kan will be so fun this year

33:43

because I didn't get to go to WrestleMania last year,

33:45

so now I get to go to Russel Khan. And

33:48

it's a reunion to see all my friends that I haven't

33:50

seen until long, that are in aw and

33:52

different companies and haven't been

33:54

you know, in wrestling for a while.

33:56

So it's a reunion right right.

33:58

Well, I'll I'll make it a part a

34:01

point to come see you. I'll be with yees.

34:04

We'll have to meet.

34:05

Yeah, yeah, I'll make it a point. I don't know

34:07

what room I'm in, but as soon as we get there,

34:10

I'm sure I can find you.

34:11

Yes, connect we'll

34:14

all see each other.

34:14

Maybe we'll get a drink or something after us.

34:16

That would win. That would be lovely. But whenever

34:20

you want to do something for your channel,

34:22

I am open to it. So just

34:24

give me a call and we'll set it up.

34:26

Thank you, absolutely lovely.

34:28

I wish you the best of luck.

34:30

Thank you so much.

34:31

Hope you keep continuing to blow up.

34:34

Chad. Do you have anything to add now?

34:36

Just it's amazing to see how much you've

34:38

really done. I mean, that is an incredible

34:41

growth you've had. And I'm telling you, with

34:43

the broadcasting degree that you had to

34:45

get to WWE must have been in like just

34:47

an amazing experience because

34:50

I worked at WWE in two thousand and six

34:52

on the production side and they were

34:54

still doing tape in two thousand

34:56

and six, so I can't imagine what you

34:58

saw by the time you hard in the business

35:01

to when you got there. So just I know

35:03

what a fantastic had.

35:05

Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. It's

35:07

been fun.

35:08

It's been fun to just just spread

35:10

my wings and go what can I what

35:12

can I do? How can I tap in? Since

35:14

December and it's been

35:17

a great time. So we'll see what's next,

35:19

Honey.

35:19

You're on a great path, so just keep going

35:22

forward. I wish you the best of luck. Can't wait to

35:24

meet you in person. And I know I

35:26

appreciate you coming on.

35:27

This was thanks for having me. I really appreciate

35:29

you. Guys.

35:30

All right, dal you take care and we'll see you soon.

35:32

Okay, see you soon.

35:33

Thank you. Because everyone

35:36

go to her web page and come see

35:38

us at the signings and and all

35:40

that good stuff.

35:41

What a what a go getter?

35:43

Isn't go get her? That's the first thing. I thought. She's lovely.

35:46

I'm so happy. I would love to looking.

35:48

At her website or website, especially the fact

35:50

she did that I put websites together. It ain't easy.

35:53

That is a freaking good website,

35:57

mull Time Media. It's got all the links

35:59

you needs for all the merchandise,

36:01

and it just it tells you everything. It's got

36:04

the history of her family, like she had mentioned

36:06

earlier in the interview. I mean,

36:08

she just is amazing. That's why

36:10

I'm saying, Like when she graduated from her

36:12

broadcasting school and to go through

36:15

the business, by the time she got to w we

36:17

like that was just the polishing that she needed

36:20

just to learn that. It must have been

36:22

like, okay, now I'm here now

36:24

and she that very

36:26

impressive. That was amazing.

36:29

Absolutely, she she seems like she's

36:32

a smart girl and she has a good, good

36:34

head on her shoulders, and she had a lot

36:36

of cool things happening for her. So good

36:39

for her. Can we plug my next

36:41

appearance?

36:42

I would like nothing better

36:44

than to do that.

36:47

And I tell you something, I saw something

36:49

funky about it and I sent it to you.

36:52

Oh I did, Yeah,

36:54

I.

36:54

We won't have an answer for that.

36:56

That was no one knows what's

36:58

going on. That was Craig crag.

37:01

This is the third thing

37:04

that has popped up, not for

37:06

the one for this show, but then two

37:08

for another show that I'm doing. That

37:11

the promoters or people are

37:13

just adding me to posters and I

37:15

didn't even agree to anything. Why

37:19

why are they doing this to me?

37:22

Put you in a bad position? But then it puts the

37:24

people that you're working with in a bad position because

37:26

it makes them look bad.

37:28

Well, I didn't reach out to the person

37:31

to this guy, but I did reach out to

37:35

you know, the promoter, the two promoters

37:37

that are involved, and one was

37:40

very helpful. And you know who I'm talking about and the other

37:42

one just ghosted me, and I'm

37:44

just.

37:44

Like, really, we

37:46

call that one the Hamama.

37:48

Somebody just tell me what's I just want

37:50

to know. That's what pisses

37:53

me off. Like, if your talent, okay,

37:56

I'm just gonna go on. A little little Bubba

37:58

mentioned this. Bubba said the same thing when we had him

38:00

on. If you are talent and you

38:03

agree to something, that's

38:05

what you should be held accountable for, not

38:07

fifty million extra things that pop

38:10

up. The one guy wanted me

38:12

to work the show at night, which

38:14

I'm not even staying for. Then

38:16

he wanted me to do a photo op with three

38:18

other girls that are there. I never agreed

38:20

to any of this. So if they're selling

38:24

you know, advance tickets and

38:26

then I walk in last minute, I go, I'm not doing

38:29

that. What do you do for all the people who paid the advance

38:31

fee the

38:33

pre sales? You

38:35

know what I mean? So I try to nip it in the

38:37

bug before we get to that. But again

38:41

today I get sent this thing and I was like,

38:43

who is this?

38:44

I don't even know that the one

38:46

that you sent me today.

38:47

That was that today was, but

38:50

so were the other ones.

38:51

This, But this one had like a plan and

38:53

options every.

38:55

Selling my signatures. I'm

38:58

gonna see her.

38:59

Sample copies in the thing watermarks.

39:03

Absolutely not.

39:04

I didn't agree to this.

39:06

You know.

39:07

Well, when you put me on a post, if I'm supposed

39:09

to be signed, let's say I'm signing for three four hours

39:11

or something, then my face is on the

39:14

poster for the night show. I'm

39:16

not booked for that night show. This

39:19

is not the Boston thing, this is another

39:21

show. I'm not booked for that show.

39:24

And then I'm not in this photo. What is

39:26

going on with these people? I don't

39:28

even know.

39:29

We call it the amateur.

39:31

But then I look like a bitch because I'm

39:34

the one saying, well, I'm not doing that. But

39:36

guess what I'm not going to do.

39:38

No, you're not. It's what it is

39:40

is it's the So what happens is is a

39:42

little inside baseball for those listening.

39:45

It's when you run a big

39:47

show, such as a convention, you

39:49

have vendors. Vendors make

39:52

side deals with the promoter. The

39:54

promoter thinks, to make his money

39:56

back, he's going to sell signatures

40:00

these vendors at a discount.

40:02

But what he doesn't count on is

40:04

the talent being a little

40:07

more savvy, no savvy about

40:09

their business and seeing like

40:11

yourself. The ads that the person

40:13

then puts out saying I'll be seeing

40:16

blah blah blah, and making

40:18

it seem like they're having another booking

40:21

popping up, when in reality,

40:23

what they're doing is is they're buying. They

40:25

could just be buying signatures from the guy you're

40:27

working for, but they're not making

40:29

it sounding that. They're making it seem

40:31

like another complete different booking.

40:34

And it's it's called the amateur

40:36

okay, But if.

40:38

The vendor that's bringing me in is agreeing

40:40

to do that, you should tell the talent, hey, I'm

40:42

gonna have forty extra for you.

40:44

Is that okay? No, that's

40:46

not okay unless you're for it,

40:48

or what.

40:48

It is is if it's like, look, if he's deciding

40:51

that day, hey, listen, you know I

40:54

have a guy who he's got and he could

40:56

go to you and say, hey, this guy wants to

40:58

get fifty piece is done.

41:01

And you know, I know I'm charging twenty five dollars

41:03

an autograph, but I'm gonna chop the price a little

41:06

bit to get fifty pieces done. Is that okay?

41:08

He goes to you and asks you rather

41:11

than this guy right on his post. Hey,

41:13

I'm going to see the Queen of extreme. I can get any

41:15

picture done the way you want with your personalization

41:17

here that guy copy.

41:19

That guy needs to come to me and pay

41:22

Oh, absolutely not my vendor. Me

41:26

are my signatures for his sale?

41:28

Yeah?

41:29

You're paying me, you're not. He's

41:31

not getting the money. Yeah.

41:32

That one you sent me was so flagrant

41:35

and just like just again amateur

41:37

hour. So that that's why I scale

41:39

back and I can just go, you know what, I

41:41

want nothing to do with this right now, because these people

41:44

are ruining it.

41:45

Well, I have to

41:47

figure out what's going on because if it's I

41:50

don't know who it's through, but

41:52

I don't you know, I don't want to do it unless

41:55

I'm getting more money. So absolutely

41:58

ridiculous.

41:59

But long story short.

42:01

March ninth, March ninth, Where

42:04

am I? Do you have the thing? iiO?

42:08

The ohio whichever was?

42:10

Hopefully Todd Gordon makes it. He

42:12

texted me yesterday and was trying to

42:14

get all my flight and there was one seat left.

42:17

I don't know if he made it or not. The

42:19

Reunion Cavalcade of Legends,

42:22

there's one hundred Legends on this card. But Saturday,

42:25

March ninth, and I'll

42:27

be at the fan fest. It looks like twelve

42:29

noon to five pm, So that's pretty

42:32

cool. I

42:34

like later ones. I don't have to be there at nine

42:36

o'clock.

42:37

That's fantastic.

42:38

Yeah, that's really nice. Five

42:40

until five and then maybe we can go get dinner

42:43

at a normal hour and not eat at nine o'clock.

42:45

That's the worst. When you

42:47

signed till like seven point thirty and then you have to

42:49

go back to the room and then

42:51

they take you out, but it's nine o'clock. Like

42:54

you eat dinner at nine. I eat dinner

42:56

at five o'clock. I'm just I

42:58

can't do that kind of stuff.

42:59

Who is this next to you up here?

43:02

Yeah?

43:02

I can't see.

43:03

Just check with the hat, uh, Haley

43:06

j oh from

43:08

the Wrestlers on Netflix.

43:11

Yeah, from al snows ov W got

43:13

it. Yeah, but they're Sandman looking

43:15

all kinds of rugged under the mounte.

43:18

I mean there's a who's who have eyes up here? Personnel?

43:24

Luke Oh, yeah, you

43:26

know we had these people on. There's Toddy

43:29

and Gary, uh,

43:32

you know, get on here, Kevin Sullivan.

43:34

Look MEDUSA baby doll.

43:36

Yeah, Scotty Riggs, Scottie Riggs.

43:39

Oh, I can't wait to see Scotty Riggs. Bill Oh,

43:41

Bill out there is going to be there looking at him.

43:43

If you get if we have Kevin Sullivan on,

43:46

this will be me.

43:48

Why you don't like Kevin?

43:50

No, it's not that I don't like him, why

43:53

I just like he's the best.

43:55

Oh, he's great. I've had a lot of fun talking to him

43:57

at conventions when we've we've done

43:59

some signing. But man, he can talk.

44:02

Yeah.

44:02

I an old guy who can talk, and that guy

44:04

could talk. He's got some good stories that we

44:06

got great stories.

44:07

I've had dinner with him a couple of times and he was making

44:10

me hal with the laughter. It

44:12

was hilarious.

44:13

He could just go he can go on for days.

44:15

Yeah, he's the best. Yeah.

44:17

But there's a lot of people, a

44:20

lot of people I want to see in this

44:22

this convention. So come on down twelve

44:24

to five Saturday, March ninth and Chuck

44:26

a Lafa Laca Ohio, and

44:29

I'll see you there.

44:31

We seeing

44:33

Chuck a Laca Laca, So

44:35

it'll be great.

44:37

And we have a late flight Friday, so

44:41

you know, don't have to be there. Super early

44:43

with nothing to do all day Friday, We're going in late.

44:45

I go right to my hotel, go to

44:47

sleep, wake up, relax

44:51

nice, and be ready for eleven thirty. It's

44:53

great. Can't wait.

44:56

Get at it.

44:56

Come see us. Yeah,

45:00

you come to Ohio.

45:02

I've been invited to that show many many

45:04

times.

45:05

Yeah, Cavalcade the Legends

45:07

Reunion.

45:08

I mean they have them every year at the

45:11

at that place. So, I mean,

45:13

I've never heard of it before.

45:16

It's my first time. I'm a first timer.

45:18

Oh look at you, I know, breaking

45:20

the cherry.

45:21

All right, Well that's that's the next big

45:23

show. So you

45:26

want to say what you got going on your website?

45:28

You're not doing that? Or no you

45:30

YouTube?

45:32

I have slowed down on a lot of stuff

45:34

I have. You know, I have

45:36

some other things I've been working on independently,

45:39

but I have my William Shatner private

45:42

signing going on this

45:44

April. So you want to get something

45:47

signed by Captain Kirk. Go to Ibexclusives

45:49

dot com. You know it's going very well.

45:51

So you'd like to get something thrown

45:53

in there. We've got pictures available. You could

45:55

send something in. Got some uh, I've

45:58

got some DVDs I'm getting signed and

46:00

we've got cards, we've got photos,

46:02

we've got everything.

46:03

Well, what happened to you? The YouTube channel

46:05

you were trying to get off the ground.

46:08

I've just decided maybe we'll pause that.

46:10

You know, it wasn't us that

46:13

could get me in some trouble, so I will

46:15

pause that for the time being.

46:16

Okay, not a problem it

46:19

was so you know, look, it had.

46:21

Had its moments, but you know what, sometimes

46:23

it caused a little too much of a stir. Why

46:27

they called me the Chad stir.

46:28

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