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Hey, everyone, it is Between the Truth

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Rantine and you are listening

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Eyes up here with Driantine on

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the podcast.

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Today, as every day, I

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am enjoyed by vices. Hello,

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Chad Spur, how are you?

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What's up? Queen of Extreme.

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I'm happy to be back with you once again inside

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the Kingdom of Extreme.

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Yeah, okay, nice a little

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it's a nice.

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Little ring to it hides up here

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studio, Kingdom of Extreme.

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What are you gonna do? You know what?

1:01

They are all the same to me. We're

1:05

recording today and I came up

1:07

with a brilliant idea for

1:09

an episode or two. We're gonna

1:11

see how far we can get. It's probably going to be a two parter,

1:14

just to let you guys know, but

1:16

Vince McMahon has been in the news a lot recently,

1:19

and you guys seem to

1:22

like when we talk about

1:24

Vince and we talk about scandal. So

1:26

we're going to put the two together, and

1:29

they're no strangers to each other really,

1:32

but we went down the rabbit hole on

1:35

this episode and we are going to

1:37

talk about some

1:40

of the allegations against Vince

1:42

McMahon and the ww

1:44

F slash WWE.

1:48

That there's plenty of them, so this will not be a part

1:51

of your eventual WWE Hall of Fame

1:53

speech.

1:54

My speech isn't getting cut

1:56

shorter and shorter every broadcast,

1:58

but I do, and I'm okay with

2:00

that because you know, I hold

2:03

new punches. I speak

2:05

my truth and I tell

2:07

it how I feel, you know, And

2:11

that's just me. That's what makes

2:14

me me. Stuff you don't like it,

2:16

get the hell out of here.

2:17

That's nice, you know.

2:19

I mean, look, it's a pretty extensive

2:21

history, yes, absolutely,

2:24

But whether you started

2:26

watching wrestling in the

2:28

seventies, the eighties and nineties to two

2:30

thousands, the twenty tens, or the twenty

2:33

twenties, Vince McMahon

2:35

was always a constant. But you

2:38

always heard stuff about

2:40

Vince throughout that time, no matter

2:42

when you started watching, because

2:44

of his constant presence. There's always

2:46

been stuff about Vince period. But

2:49

when you dig deep and you find out

2:51

more and more and more and more, some

2:54

people really opened your eyes, but for others

2:57

it just gives you extra detail.

2:59

If you're a casual wrestling fan and

3:01

you just happen to turn on TV and you

3:04

see you know, WWFWWE

3:06

programming all

3:09

you see is what's presented

3:11

to you on television. And

3:14

back then, I mean, the the Internet

3:17

was out, but it wasn't like social media

3:20

and all this stuff and all the sharing,

3:22

and so you have to like kind of dig a little

3:24

deeper back in the day to find

3:26

dirt out unless you

3:29

know, you read the sheets, which you know how I feel

3:31

about the sheets. They're not my best friend.

3:34

But it's

3:36

funny how the name Vince McMahon

3:39

just seems to be a magnet to scandals.

3:43

And I'm gonna go on the record right now

3:45

and say everything that we're going to

3:47

talk about is allegedly true

3:51

or allegedly out. It's out

3:54

there, it's been reported on. We're

3:56

not the first to break the news. I mean, we're

3:58

going back the first story we have his nineteen, so

4:02

we're going back years and years and years.

4:04

So even

4:06

before that one is from eighty

4:08

six, but reported on in ninety.

4:10

Two, ninety two, right right, But I'm just saying

4:12

when it came to light. But

4:15

you know, we're this isn't breaking news.

4:17

We're just giving our opinion on

4:20

things that we found while dagging

4:22

for dirt, because that's the

4:24

kind of reporters we are, and we're

4:26

going to comment on them, and you know, whether

4:29

they're true or not, I don't know. Again,

4:31

I always say this, I was not there.

4:34

I'm not prepvy to insider information.

4:37

The opinions that Chad and I have

4:40

are just based on what has already

4:42

been reported on and what we found on

4:44

the web. So keep that in mind. And

4:46

Vince, if you're listening, just

4:49

commenting on what others are saying, that's

4:53

all.

4:53

That's you know what.

4:54

That's a great little, you

4:57

know, choice of words there at the end, because we've

4:59

all heard the Vince has people

5:01

listening. Back when Vince was in

5:03

power, I've been I've been a

5:05

victim of it many times in my podcasting

5:08

career of being

5:11

on the receiving end of Vince pric Man's

5:13

not happy with things that you had on

5:15

your podcast. But I wonder

5:17

if that's still the case. Does Vince still have people?

5:20

Does Vince still have a team of

5:22

people kind of sifting

5:25

through the loads and loads of podcasts

5:27

talking about him now because it's outside

5:29

the wrestling world, it's no longer

5:32

just our little bubble of wrestling

5:34

folks talking about Vince.

5:36

There's different genres,

5:39

there's different segments of hosts

5:42

talking about this guy. But that's a great

5:44

Did you ever think about that, Like, does he still

5:46

have people with the emails to the

5:48

ground on talking about him.

5:50

I'm gonna say yes, But how

5:53

many people have commented

5:57

on the stories. It

5:59

would take years to go through every

6:01

single podcast, YouTube,

6:04

video, news article, I mean

6:07

every I mean. Vince McMahon is probably

6:10

the biggest name that wrestling

6:13

has ever seen, right, yeah,

6:16

the biggest. I mean, he's done it all in

6:18

the business. You can't take away what

6:21

he's done for wrestling. Okay,

6:24

let me just make that clear. He

6:27

is a juggernaut in this sport.

6:29

If it wasn't for Vince McMahon, a lot

6:31

of these names wouldn't be out there.

6:34

A lot of the greatest angles in the

6:37

history of wrestling would not be out there. He's

6:40

a legend. He's brilliant. I'll

6:42

put him over for that. Behind

6:45

the scenes is you know from

6:47

everything that we've read, it's a

6:49

completely different story, different

6:52

person. Now.

6:54

Some people have said he lives his character

6:57

twenty four to seven. You know, you live the

6:59

gimmick, is what we like to say.

7:01

In the world of professional wrestling. Some

7:04

people can't differentiate your character

7:06

from your real life person. People

7:09

have told me that Vince McMahon

7:12

is Vince McMahon twenty

7:14

four to seven. I didn't

7:16

know him well enough to see if

7:19

there was a difference, you know what I mean, never

7:21

worked with him in the ring, So

7:25

I don't know, just going off

7:27

by what the boys tell me. And

7:30

I'd say about ninety percent of

7:33

the population that I've

7:35

always been encountered with say

7:37

the same thing that he is

7:40

on twenty four to seven, which

7:45

you know, to me, that's kind of like that's

7:48

that? Is that a power trip? Is that an ego

7:50

thing?

7:50

Like?

7:51

I don't know, but when

7:54

you use your fame and your

7:57

you know, your legacy and your and your

7:59

name in

8:02

a negative light, you're

8:04

gonna have to expect people to comment

8:07

on it. And

8:09

so your question, do I

8:11

think there's people out there? I know WWE

8:14

has people out there, but now

8:16

that Vince isn't involved anymore,

8:19

where do these you know, do they go

8:21

to hunter? Like is there a specific

8:24

person specifically,

8:27

like is that their job titled to get reports

8:30

on who's saying what? Because

8:32

my god, their head would explode. Everybody

8:34

was talking about Vince McMahon a

8:37

month ago. Everybody

8:39

knew Janelle Grant's name.

8:42

It's inevitable. How could you not if

8:45

you are a reporter in the world of professional

8:47

wrestling, how could you not talk about it? Right?

8:51

So, do I think there's stooges? Yeah?

8:54

I do. Maybe Vince

8:56

is now that he has more time on his

8:58

hands, Maybe he's the one rolling through

9:00

everything writing notes down, you know. Maybe

9:03

he has a voodoo doll with a pig you

9:07

he's.

9:07

Like, I remember her,

9:11

God, damn it, I remember her. She was from

9:13

that extremely crappy wrestling.

9:16

You have so much power in

9:18

this game. You have people,

9:20

and he probably still has people out

9:22

there, you know, but to pinpoint

9:26

a specific person for what they said,

9:29

My god, you know, there's

9:32

a million people out there commenting. It's

9:34

going to take him until he's one hundred

9:36

years old to go through everything, to

9:39

listen to every single podcast,

9:41

read every single art.

9:43

Come on, Yeah, no, I agree

9:45

with that, right, But I just wondered

9:47

if he did still have somebody or

9:49

a team that would sift through some of the stuff

9:52

to say, hey, Vince, this is what so and so.

9:54

Because I will say this, you know, I

9:56

thought at first it was only going.

9:58

To be a matter of time before the floodgates open, and

10:00

then you'd hear ex superstar comments

10:02

on vincick Man and this person comments

10:04

on vincick Man.

10:05

I have two.

10:07

But I have to say it wasn't as

10:10

extensive a list as I thought it would

10:12

be. It has been a good number of

10:14

people, but I still think people have treaded

10:17

water on I'm

10:19

going all in on commenting on it now.

10:21

There have been the folks that have and it's been

10:23

like, I don't give a shit, you know. And I think in

10:25

terms of like the big name ones, I think Brett

10:27

Hart probably tops that list of the ones that

10:30

just came all out. I was like, look, this is what I'm

10:32

saying. I have my history and I'm

10:34

going to comment now on what I say. But

10:37

I was I thought it would be more of a everyone

10:40

and their mother. But I actually think that

10:42

list was a lot smaller than

10:45

I thought. Of the wrestling

10:47

pundits and the superstars that

10:49

would comment on it, maybe they still think there's that

10:52

chance that you never know,

10:54

he might be back in power and I might need

10:56

to be brought back for you know something. At some

10:58

point, people are scared.

11:01

People are scared to talk, especially if they're still

11:03

in the industry, because like you just

11:05

said, oh, maybe I'll get that call for next year's

11:07

Royal rumble or you know, maybe

11:09

I'll get that Legends deal or where and

11:12

maybe you won't, you know, But if

11:14

people want to tread lately on it, that's

11:16

their decision, and that's fine. You

11:19

know, there are certain things that I've

11:21

been close lipped about that

11:23

I didn't want to give comments on.

11:27

You know, some of the things aren't my business. But

11:30

uh, certainly

11:32

this was a topic that I

11:35

felt, you know, just for me,

11:38

just people wanted to hear what I had to say.

11:41

And again I always started with allegedly,

11:43

I you know, I really don't know if

11:45

it's true, but if it is, this is

11:47

how I feel, and that's the way

11:50

I present my comments out there. So

11:53

you know, I'm sure

11:56

there's some kind of team. But

11:59

again, like I don't really know what Vince

12:01

is doing these days. So

12:04

is it just to know who hates them, who loves

12:06

them? You know, like, what

12:08

is the purpose of knowing who said

12:10

what? Anymore? If you're not involved

12:13

in the game, is

12:15

there really a purpose?

12:17

True?

12:18

And he's good with the phone. We know

12:20

that he likes to use his phone, so he

12:25

text messages ass off allegedly, so

12:27

you know, it's one of those things. If he's on his phone,

12:30

click that subscribe button. Vince on iHeartRadio.

12:34

We would love to have you, and you

12:36

know my email is available if you'd like to come

12:38

on and defend yourself at some.

12:41

Yes, sure, I'm sure your phone

12:43

will.

12:43

Be just one more thing before we get into

12:45

our list. Do you think and

12:48

this is just a just a speculative

12:50

question, the brass

12:52

Now that it's t k O and

12:54

the board of directors now and

12:57

who's in charge at WWE,

12:59

do you think they're looking at who's commenting

13:02

on the Vince McMahon, Janelle

13:04

Grant's case and the

13:07

stuff that's coming out and seeing

13:09

who's commenting and keeping an eye

13:11

on it and tracking who says

13:13

what. Do you think they even care at this point

13:15

because they don't want anything to do with Vince McMahon,

13:18

So do you think that they even really care who's commenting

13:20

and who's giving their two cents?

13:23

There has to be a trickle down. I

13:29

feel, like I said it earlier,

13:32

there has to be somebody who

13:34

is you know, I don't know what

13:37

the title would be their job title,

13:39

but like internet something or other

13:42

that you know pulls the

13:44

stuff off YouTube. You know, we got flagged

13:46

for using five seconds of you

13:49

know, music or a five second

13:51

clip. So there's guys out there that are

13:53

watching this kind of stuff or the

13:55

reports are coming into them, you know what

13:57

I mean. Now, for somebody to it

14:00

down again and go through

14:02

every single article, every single

14:05

newscast or a video,

14:08

that would take forever,

14:10

but there might be one

14:12

person who is delegated that in

14:14

the office, so then they

14:16

know, maybe we can't

14:19

call this person.

14:20

You know.

14:21

Let me give you an example, and I could be one

14:23

hundred percent wrong and off the mark

14:25

for what I'm about to say. Okay, once

14:29

you hear this, WrestleMania

14:32

will be done. Okay, wrestle

14:34

Coan's done. That big weekend is

14:37

done right now as we're

14:39

filming, it's next weekend. Just

14:42

to give you a timeline. So

14:44

I'm not gonna say who, But somebody messaged

14:46

me. Somebody sent me either a

14:48

text or a DM and

14:51

they were like, did you get the call from

14:53

WWE? Okay? And

14:56

I said, well no I didn't. What's going on?

14:58

And here people are getting calls

15:01

to be a part of I guess the Hall of

15:03

Fame the

15:06

Hall of Fame, I think as signing

15:09

and then either going to WrestleMania

15:11

or going to Raw. So

15:13

it's that whole thing, but I

15:15

don't think you're allowed to participate

15:17

in the other events. So

15:20

like the Icons the Battleground Show,

15:22

I think that's because

15:25

Al Snow was removed.

15:27

Oh wow, I didn't see that.

15:29

OL's out CW Anderson's in, which I

15:31

love Al, but I love CW. So either way

15:33

they were going to get a good match with Chain, right, So

15:37

certain people have been called.

15:40

I was not called, and the person who

15:43

was telling me this information was like, how

15:46

could you not be there? You were the longest

15:49

running female in that company?

15:51

Like, how could they not call you? I

15:53

said, I don't know. Now,

15:56

is it because I've been so openly blunt

15:59

about certain things and maybe the office

16:01

heard? Could it be that

16:04

the season the Cist was sent twice

16:06

over the Queen of Extreme And I don't

16:08

know, but those are like, as

16:11

far as that goes, that's something that's mine

16:13

and that I believe in. So to be punished

16:16

for something like that to me is idiotic, right,

16:19

But you know, maybe

16:21

these other people have been closed

16:23

mouths, and you

16:25

know this is their

16:28

way of getting back in the

16:30

company, whereas me, maybe I'm on the

16:32

shit list. Maybe my association

16:34

with Shane Douglas, you know,

16:37

who has been very vocal about

16:40

not liking them and

16:42

not liking Vince McMahon, maybe

16:44

that hindered me, Like he like, we had a long

16:47

talk about it, and he was like, well, you know, I overshadow

16:49

you, and I go that damn shadow never.

16:52

It always irks me, it always screws

16:54

me. But you know, I

16:57

don't care, because I'm

17:00

gonna be at Russell Kon for three days. I'm

17:02

gonna be at battleground in icons

17:04

and being with people that

17:06

I care about and that I love, versus

17:09

walking on eggshells in the back and just

17:12

being nervous all weekend. I'll

17:14

go for what I have. But

17:16

maybe my comments did hinder my chances.

17:19

I don't know, And quite frankly,

17:22

I don't care. I'm happy.

17:24

You know, this is my truth. This is the way

17:27

that I present my show, and people

17:30

like it, and I'm gonna keep doing it. So

17:33

that's that. Yeah, But maybe

17:35

that's why I don't. You know, no

17:37

one knows. No one knows

17:40

how you get that call, how you don't get the call. I

17:42

don't know. Maybe they

17:44

called the nut and pick up. I don't

17:46

If I don't know the number, I don't pick up the phone.

17:49

I don't know. But you see

17:52

what I'm trying to say.

17:52

Oh, absolutely, well said.

17:56

Look, there's no perfect way to put that, and

17:58

I think you've made it as perfect as it could

18:00

possibly be.

18:01

Yeah, no one knows, but I regardless,

18:04

I hope they have a great show. Uh,

18:07

you know, WrestleMania's biggest show of the year.

18:09

Lots of talent on the show, and I'm happy

18:12

for those who did get the call, and

18:14

you know, Paul Hayman, genius, congratulations,

18:17

But I know I'm not going to be there.

18:19

Nothing says ECW like

18:21

the guy that was on loan from WWF

18:23

to ECW and then went back to

18:26

STOP.

18:26

He was a very big He was a very big part

18:28

of it.

18:29

So I'm kidding. I loved Al's Rod and W it

18:31

was awesome. The ECW.

18:32

I'm kidding. Yeah, he was on loan. Some

18:34

closes are.

18:35

Questionable, but you know what, no hate here,

18:38

no hete you know, I'm doing what I love.

18:40

I'm going to have a great weekend. I'm

18:43

very excited about it, and I hope their

18:45

weekend is just as great as mine will be.

18:47

What absolutely, and it was because

18:49

it was in the past, so it was.

18:51

It's in the past, but you know, I'm sure

18:53

it was great for everyone involved.

18:55

So there you go.

18:56

It was real and it was spectacular.

18:58

It was, yes,

19:01

anyway.

19:02

All right, moving on to this guy. Hang

19:04

on, I still have him on my soundboard.

19:07

That guy, where is he? Hang On? I lowered

19:09

the volume. Hang on, I still have on my soundboard. Ready, yep.

19:19

Ninety percent of talent hears those words.

19:21

But actually it's Johnny saying, we

19:24

have nothing for you. There's nothing for

19:27

you. I don't do a good Johnny.

19:29

But he could have his own couple episodes

19:31

himself, now, yeah,

19:33

Johnny.

19:34

Anyway, let's

19:37

start off with the chairman

19:39

and CEO himself, Vince McMahon.

19:44

The year is nineteen ninety two, and

19:47

he is accused of turning a blind

19:49

eye to some sexual misconduct

19:52

in the then WWF

19:55

right, Yes, okay, so

19:59

it was Titan Sports at the time, correct,

20:02

and it was called Titan

20:04

Gate. I

20:08

never knew this. I

20:10

found out these stories while digging, so they

20:12

were very very

20:15

strange to me to hear. But uh

20:18

so this was about steroid

20:22

abuse in the company.

20:23

It was a little bit of everything. It was about I.

20:26

Started with some uh steroid abuse.

20:29

Uh. They say the center of the allegations

20:32

were Pat Patterson, who was the head of wrestling

20:34

operations, Terry Garvin, who

20:36

was Pat Patterson's right hand man, and

20:39

ring announcer, recruit ring crew

20:41

chief Mel Phillips who

20:43

worked under Garvin.

20:45

Correct.

20:46

Okay, so allegedly

20:50

Patterson and Garvin had

20:52

a casting couch culture with

20:54

the male wrestlers.

20:57

Correct.

20:58

Unbelievable that. Like I I

21:00

knew of Pat Patterson

21:04

being openly homosexual,

21:07

and I've heard different

21:09

stories about him hitting on

21:13

talent, but I didn't

21:15

really know about the casting couch. So

21:18

what are your insights to this? Well, you

21:21

know more than I did.

21:21

Yeah, So the casting couch obviously being the

21:24

you know, the age old Hollywood

21:26

terminology, you know, but this time being

21:29

used in the wrestling sense. I

21:31

think a lot of it has to do with what you would call wrestling

21:34

as the push right, you're you,

21:37

you know, and and also you do

21:39

this for me, and I'll make sure I do this for

21:41

you kind of thing. Now, A lot

21:43

of it has to do with whether or not people

21:46

would be accepting of it and if they

21:48

were, obviously things

21:50

may happen. And if they were not, obviously

21:52

there's only one way to go on the.

21:54

Card, and it is where down,

21:57

down, down the card.

21:58

So where this started to really come to light

22:01

was they approached the wrong

22:03

people and people

22:05

started to speak out about it.

22:08

The big one that started

22:10

to come to light was an announcer by the name

22:12

of Murray Hodgson, and Murray

22:15

Hodgson was signed by the WWF

22:17

in nineteen ninety.

22:18

He had answered an ad.

22:21

In I believe, you know, like Billboard magazine

22:23

or Rolling Stone that said they

22:25

were looking for the next WWF

22:27

voice. They were looking for the next guy to be

22:29

the long term voice of the WWF.

22:33

And he went through a rigorous amount

22:35

of interviews, went

22:37

through the whole process of trying

22:40

out, and when he got signed.

22:43

According to Murray Hodson, he was approached

22:46

by Pat Patterson to

22:49

have some sort of liaison

22:52

and turned down the advances

22:54

and then was subsequently fired within

22:57

a week.

22:59

All right, So what's disturbing

23:02

to me about all this? I mean, the whole

23:04

situation is messed up,

23:06

but the way like apparently

23:10

uh Phillips was

23:13

grooming and molesting underage

23:16

ring boys. So when you talk

23:18

about being underage, why are

23:20

they letting these young children

23:23

into this work environment to be

23:26

with these grown adults.

23:29

Yeah?

23:29

Wait, you know, and being

23:31

like, you know, I guess maybe

23:33

traveling or if they're just town

23:36

to town, I'm not really sure

23:38

how that goes. But when they say under age, were

23:40

they like fifteen sixteen years old?

23:42

So that's that's kind of an

23:45

interesting question because,

23:47

yeah, Murray Hotson was a man who

23:50

denied sexual advances from another

23:52

man, right, Okay, and there were other wrestlers

23:54

who also denied advances. But now when

23:56

we move over to another segment of

23:58

this breakdown, it's the Ring Boys

24:01

scandal, right, Yeah, that has to do with

24:03

Mel.

24:03

Phillips, former ring announcer.

24:04

And for those of us that are old school fans

24:06

from the mid eighties to early nineties,

24:09

Mel Phillips.

24:10

Was like the b announcer, right.

24:12

He would be the ring announcer on the house shows

24:14

or a wrestling challenge backup announcer.

24:17

Very famously got beat up by Terry Funk

24:20

in an angle in about nineteen

24:22

eighty six where Terry Funk

24:24

would be taking off his stuff in the ring

24:27

and he put Terry Funk's hat on. So

24:30

then Terry no,

24:32

no, it was part of an angle, but it was like to establish

24:35

Terry funk was you know, he was crazy.

24:37

He would beat up for anything. So that

24:39

that's mel Phillips. Okay.

24:42

What they would do was, and this

24:44

is pulled from one of the more famous

24:46

stories, so Tom Cole was one

24:48

of the ring boys.

24:49

Okay.

24:49

Tom Cole would then speak

24:52

out during this scandal against

24:54

mel Phillips and the WWF to

24:56

say, this is what went on behind

24:59

the scenes in the process with mel

25:01

Phillips and the WWF

25:03

of how they would get these boys. Okay

25:06

they were not just fifteen or

25:08

sixteen, they could be younger, dear

25:11

God, yes. And what they would do

25:14

is they would go from town to town

25:16

and they would basically, and this is I'm pulling

25:19

from an interview with Tom

25:21

Cole, was they would basically go into

25:23

underprivileged areas and

25:25

they would pull kids that came from

25:28

basically homes with families

25:31

of you know, children of alcoholics, broken

25:33

homes, you know, one parent households

25:36

and kids that had issues, and

25:38

they would take them on the road

25:40

with them. They would take them on planes,

25:43

they would take them on bus trips,

25:45

they would take them from town to town and

25:47

say, would you like to set up the ring for the

25:49

WWF at this house

25:51

show? And then we'll go to you know, we'll go

25:53

from Allentown to Scranton, from Scranton

25:56

to you know, New Hope, from New

25:58

Hope to Philly, and we'll do Yeah.

25:59

They would take them everywhere.

26:00

Yeah, but how how does one

26:03

know that they are from an under privileged

26:05

house, that they only have one parent?

26:07

Well, this is the this is what Tom Cole is telling

26:09

in the interview. But how do you know how

26:12

is that they go to the They go

26:14

to the inner city of the of the.

26:17

The Okay, you go to the inner city. What do

26:19

you knock on somebody's door and say, hey,

26:21

you have a twelve year old? Hey are you married? Are

26:23

you single?

26:24

Oh?

26:24

Okay, you're one one parent

26:27

household? Okay, are you poor?

26:29

Well do you want me to take your kid on the n lette?

26:33

How do they know that these children

26:35

are underprivileged? I mean, I

26:37

understand you going like

26:39

I imagine when I hear the story. I imagine

26:42

them pulling up in a car and

26:44

going to like a basketball court and

26:46

seeing all these little kids play basketball, and

26:49

approaching the child and

26:51

saying, hey, do you know who Brett

26:54

Hart is? Do you want to meet Bret Hart?

26:56

I can get your job there.

26:57

Yeah, that's basically what they did.

27:00

Yeah, let's go talk to your mom and dad. Oh

27:02

you only have a mom there? Oh okay, well

27:04

let's go talk to your mom then. Yeah, and

27:06

then them going to the parents and

27:09

promising them the world if we can

27:12

basically take your child

27:15

from you. Like, that's the way

27:17

I envision it, you know what

27:19

I mean. But again,

27:21

like that takes a lot of effort, doesn't

27:24

it.

27:24

Oh yeah, let me read you the quote.

27:25

This is a quote from Tom Cole in an interview

27:27

with A Wrestling Perspective back in the late

27:29

nineties. Nineteen ninety nine, Mel

27:32

had a black book with names of kids from all

27:34

over the country that he would call up if he

27:36

would be in a specific town, and he would

27:38

ask these kids if they would want to go to shows.

27:41

You'd meet kids from every state.

27:42

I'd go from New York to Philly and he'd have

27:45

young kids waiting for him, boys

27:47

at the shows, and he'd had he'd get five,

27:49

six and seven kids. They'd go to Boston

27:52

and it would be the same thing, and maybe one of two

27:54

of those kids would come with us, and they'd

27:56

drive with us. It was the same motif.

27:59

If he had the same motif you had with me, he'd

28:01

call parents. They were always kids from

28:03

broken homes. Once in a blue moon you'd hear

28:05

like a kid who came from a so called stable

28:07

environment. Most of it was kids

28:09

from a broken home with no father, just a

28:12

mother, drunk mother, alcoholic, drug

28:14

addict, whatever. That's pretty much

28:16

the type of kid that Mel was geared was

28:18

geared toward. Man,

28:22

he is a predator.

28:23

I mean, obviously he's a predator.

28:26

Yeah, that's that's heavy

28:28

s. I mean, I just, you

28:30

know, in a similar fashion. I just

28:32

watched that Nick document documentary.

28:35

Oh yeah, I want to see it.

28:36

I forget what it's called. But you

28:38

know, those people were on set

28:40

with these kids, so it was easy,

28:44

I mean easier to be

28:46

a predator because they were they were

28:48

in charge of the children. Here

28:51

they're scouting. They're going

28:53

to these cities and scouting

28:56

young boys. That's

28:58

crazy to me. Yeah, yeah, like,

29:01

oh my god, and the parents would let them

29:03

go on the road.

29:04

Yeah.

29:05

As a thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old

29:07

kid, like, oh

29:09

my god, never, I would never

29:12

ever let my children. I

29:15

Ugh, I can't wrap my head around this logic.

29:18

I'm sorry.

29:18

And I grew up, you know, thinking the ring crew was the referees

29:21

and some of the stage hands, you know, and guys

29:23

that were just at the arena, you

29:26

know, for the show. Well, it initially was

29:28

right.

29:28

And here it is.

29:29

He's got this little van full of kids

29:32

that are going, wow, I'll get to go

29:34

to a wrestling show. And I'd say, they're going out, and

29:36

where do I find this van?

29:37

I guess they're promised all this stuff.

29:40

And you know, little kids loving wrestling,

29:42

being fans, they would jump at the chance.

29:45

But you know, being in the business,

29:48

I know our ring crew was the

29:50

same guys. We never had

29:52

underage kids in the building. And

29:55

if the guys came for a tryout, maybe

29:57

they would help out. But these were

29:59

a grown men. They were always

30:01

like eighteen and over that

30:04

you know, will come for tryouts. I've never seen

30:06

a child, uh

30:08

you know, be ring crew, not in E

30:10

CW. We never

30:13

had that. To me, this is blowing my

30:15

mind. But again, you hit

30:17

the nail on the head. That's what predators do. But

30:20

to keep a blind eye

30:22

to it, that's disgusting.

30:25

Yeah, and you know mel Phillips

30:27

also in the revelations

30:29

of this whole thing, you know, was revealed to have

30:31

a have a foot fetish, and

30:34

he would prey on these kids. And you

30:36

know this was a thing for many, many years.

30:38

So mel Phillips immediately fired.

30:41

Gone during the ring boys gone, you

30:43

know, so and so was Patterson and Garvin,

30:46

but the mel Phillips one was the longest

30:48

standing.

30:49

You never returned to wrestling.

30:51

Gone just good, he didn't be

30:53

gone. But now with Patterson, you know

30:55

this was going on.

30:57

Well, you know, you'd got you'd have to think they

30:59

saw the boys. You know when I've heard

31:01

of wrestlers that have said they saw boys

31:04

around, but they just didn't

31:06

know to the extent of what

31:08

what are this? You know, despicable

31:12

actions they were happening.

31:14

But again, you know, if you're a kid

31:17

and you're offered, especially during

31:19

that And this is another interesting little nugget

31:21

to go along with it. This is nineteen ninety

31:23

two. Okay, this is the

31:25

beginning of the drop of

31:28

the WWF. So up to

31:30

ninety two, they are printing

31:33

money, right, they are just everything

31:36

they touched is turning to gold. And

31:38

in ninety it starts to go down a little

31:40

bit. That's when the Ultimate Warrior becomes

31:42

a champ and that people are starting

31:45

to turn away.

31:45

And then in.

31:46

Ninety one that's when they start here and now, well,

31:48

the Haults are starting to finally get booed. Maybe

31:51

they're starting to turn their back on this

31:53

thing we've been doing all these years. And by ninety two that's

31:56

where the falloff happens and this hits.

31:59

So they probably thought the world was crashing

32:01

down around them, but with Patterson,

32:04

So they get rid of Patterson, but they bring him

32:06

back eventually. He's a he's

32:08

a quick yeah fire, but he's also

32:10

a quick return. But with Murray Hodgson.

32:12

I have a clip that we can play where

32:15

there's confrontation between Vince and Hodgson

32:18

on the Donahue Show.

32:19

Sure before you play that, though, Were

32:21

there any of these the

32:24

children's families that sued when

32:27

they found out what was going on? Did any of

32:29

that ever happen with all these boys

32:31

that were involved. Do we know of

32:33

any families that actually sued the w

32:36

w F.

32:37

I've never heard of anything having

32:39

to do Only one was Tom

32:41

Cole because Hall.

32:43

As an adult, right, how

32:45

many kids did

32:47

this happen to. Yeah,

32:50

it could be hundreds upon hundreds of children.

32:54

That's that's trafficking.

32:57

Yeah, oh yeah, But that's what I

32:59

said when they all started. If you recall

33:01

when this all started, I said, how

33:04

has this not come to light all.

33:05

These years later?

33:06

I don't know how they got away with this, Even

33:10

over the steroid scandal and

33:12

then and the payoffs and all

33:14

the things we'll talk.

33:15

About, this is the one.

33:16

I don't know how they they they were able

33:18

to kind of get around all these years.

33:21

And where are all these kids that

33:23

this happened to?

33:24

Yeah, well what happened? And were they such

33:26

did they not talk? Were they such closed

33:29

lips that they never you know, were

33:31

they threatened? Don't speak of this?

33:33

You know what I mean?

33:34

Because they were too scared. But you would think one

33:36

out of hundreds of children would have opened their

33:38

mouths and said something. And

33:42

and the adults that were a part of this, Like

33:45

I always say to myself, I have

33:47

children. I would never want my

33:49

kids to go through this. Do they

33:51

have kids? Do they

33:54

realize like they're child? I mean, I know a

33:56

lot of them are homosexual, but maybe they could

33:58

adopt or I don't know. I'm

34:00

just saying like, if you have a child

34:02

in your life that you care about, how

34:05

can you do this to other people's children.

34:08

Yeah, it's it's so disgusting,

34:13

so sad. Oh

34:15

I'm so fired up right now. That's terrible,

34:18

absolutely terrible. All right, player clip,

34:25

well.

34:25

Let me just mention too. And then Terry Garvin

34:27

was another you know, another executive

34:30

working with Pat Patterson.

34:31

Like I said, you know they called the right hand man.

34:34

He was also you know, involved

34:36

with soliciting guys for

34:39

sexual favors

34:42

or you know, the liaisons.

34:44

And Tom Cole again was the only guy

34:47

who really came forward with this. Was another guy,

34:49

another victim of the advances

34:52

of Terry Garvin, and he said,

34:54

Terry Garvin basically, you know,

34:56

had had a wife and I

34:58

believe you have kids that when they were out of town

35:00

for the weekend, wanted Tom Cole to come to his house

35:03

and hey, and advanced on

35:05

him, and Tom Cole to it. No, no,

35:08

I'm not I'm not into.

35:09

This was Tom Cole of legal age

35:12

at that point.

35:12

Tom Cale was nineteen.

35:15

Well, okay, so this is a gentleman

35:17

who apparently was bisexual, right,

35:20

liked women, liked men, has children

35:22

of his own, Would he want his kids

35:25

to go through this bullshit? Probably

35:28

not, because no

35:30

one wants to see their kids in a compromising

35:32

position. So how on earth

35:35

with good conscience can he do it to somebody

35:37

else's child? You

35:39

know what I mean? Like, oh my

35:41

god.

35:42

Barry Orton, Randy Orton's uncle,

35:44

also accused Terry

35:47

Garvin of advances

35:50

while they were driving on a trip, you

35:53

know, from town to town, saying, you know, while

35:56

you're driving, I'll take care of business for you if you'd

35:58

like. He just said, you know, I'm not that kind of guy.

36:01

You know, no, thank you. But

36:04

Barry Orton then cut

36:07

off from ww

36:09

F booking after that.

36:10

Well, didn't Paul Roma just give an interview

36:13

and say he got fired like two days later

36:15

or something.

36:16

Well, Paul Roma. So Paul

36:18

Roma's partner, Jim Powers was the one

36:20

that really didn't. Jim Powers

36:22

he denied the advances of Pat

36:25

Patterson and never

36:28

survived.

36:28

And I think he quit. No, I think he quit

36:31

because they they wanted.

36:33

Him for years, because Jim Powers

36:35

was there from about eighty five to ninety

36:38

one ninety two ish.

36:39

But just he, I guess, was

36:42

harassed for years.

36:43

What did Paul Roma that that was fired

36:45

Paul Roma.

36:46

To be blunt. What they said was

36:49

Hercules said to Paul Roma

36:51

that if my partner just

36:53

fucked Pat Patterson or

36:56

let Pat Patterson, then

36:59

I'm just being blown.

37:00

This is what Paul said.

37:02

If he had let him do that,

37:04

then maybe we get a push.

37:06

Ah.

37:08

So, but he was fired quickly.

37:11

Correct.

37:12

I don't think it was in relation to that. No, Paul Roman just

37:14

had a bad attitude. That's why

37:16

I did he want a job to anybody. That's why Paul Roman was

37:18

let go. But no, Jim Powers quit because

37:20

they harassed Jim Powers.

37:22

They just wouldn't stop.

37:23

And some powers so pretty.

37:25

But somebody, you.

37:26

Know, somebody mentioned to me over time.

37:28

You know that Jim Powers just like would.

37:30

Not would not be let let

37:32

alone and that couldn't take it anymore.

37:34

Yeah, and Jim Powers. You were talking to Jim

37:36

Powers. He is just your typical

37:39

Jersey dude, gruff voice.

37:42

He ain't taking that ship like he's

37:45

you know, it's it's interesting. But let me

37:47

play you this clip of uh Vince

37:50

and Murray Hodgson. The clips a

37:52

little longer, so we'll have we'll edit

37:55

where we can. I just want you to see the clip.

37:57

Okay, yeah,

38:00

because at the rate we're going, we're only going to get to

38:02

still.

38:02

Yeah, I'll edit around what I want

38:04

you to see. Okay, Classic

38:09

Phil Donahue Show. If nobody's

38:11

ever seen this episode, this is one

38:13

of the greatest pieces of wrestling

38:16

outside of wrestling television

38:20

talk show setting. This is one of the

38:22

best hours in the history of

38:24

outside of wrestling TV. So

38:30

this is you see vincick Man sitting

38:32

to the right, and this is Murray

38:34

Hodgson here to the left.

38:38

The sexual harassment exists in your

38:40

workplace?

38:41

I believe that there is a possibility of

38:43

sexual harassment existing everywhere.

38:45

And I asked directly if it was my

38:47

organization.

38:48

I don't want I'd like to reiterate the question.

38:50

Do you believe there is sexual

38:52

harassment amongst the wrestlers or employees

38:54

the World Wrestling Federation to day?

38:56

There is a possibility of that. That's

38:58

why I have the independent

39:01

investigators to come in and who are

39:03

an independent investigator Facts Group Limited.

39:06

And I would like you to hear what you have to

39:08

say, and everyone has to say. I want to get to the bottom moment.

39:10

Would you therefore believe that because of all these allegations

39:12

coming forward, and more and more corroborating evidence

39:15

proving that there's no doubt

39:18

sexual harassment is running rampant

39:20

in the World Wrestling Federation, that you are definitely

39:22

going to come public and do something

39:24

about it.

39:25

Why wouldn't I, if in fact that is

39:27

the case. Why wouldn't I do something about it? Why would

39:29

I risk what.

39:30

We have because you haven't done anything about it until

39:33

it became.

39:33

Public because you thought it because I no knowledge

39:36

of it.

39:36

I made knowledge of it to you when I was fired,

39:38

and you just blew it off and let me go.

39:40

I retained a lawyers.

39:42

You were not very good. You were not a very

39:44

good announcer. You could not It's the only

39:46

reason why you were fired. You could

39:48

not make the transition from radio

39:50

to television. That is the only reason

39:52

why.

39:52

You were fired. I would like to remind you, sir, that I have a

39:54

two year contract too.

39:56

You also have a clause in your contract that states,

39:58

and as you know, you we hired on a trial basis.

40:01

I was not hired on a trial basis. Do

40:03

you don't have a concert mcman? I have a two year

40:05

deal with your cot.

40:06

You will note had a clause it states very

40:08

clearly, and I have it outlined for

40:10

all to see here today that you can be fired

40:13

almost at WILM if in fact you're

40:15

not doing a good job.

40:16

You did a horrible job. That's the only

40:18

reason why you were fired. That's it. Maybe

40:21

I should point out first and foremost that might

40:23

be your inability to pick

40:25

good talent. Could you had a national talent

40:27

search instance, you advertised in Billboard

40:30

magazine and across many different media

40:32

sources searching for one man that

40:34

could be the new face and voice of the World Wrestling

40:36

Federation. You flew me in back and forth

40:39

four and five different times from Detroit, and

40:41

you chose over the course of one year of negotiations

40:44

that I would be the man for that job. I

40:46

didn't sleep with your vice president. Two weeks

40:48

later, I'm fired. I also want to point out one

40:50

very important fact from your office.

40:53

Came a letter to my landlord to verify my

40:55

employment. From that letter, I must

40:57

bring this point up. It says Murray

41:00

Hodson has a very secure

41:02

job with Titan Sports and is a positive

41:05

and productive employee. From your office,

41:08

just because I don't sleep with your vice

41:10

president, that qualifies to blow me out of

41:12

a two year deal. I don't buy it.

41:15

Wow, Wow, Holy

41:19

moly, I've never seen that in my life. That

41:22

is unbelievable. I

41:24

am shocked that Vince agreed

41:27

to go on the show. Did

41:30

he know that this was going to happen?

41:32

He knew who was going to be there?

41:34

Wow? And what was

41:36

Vince's answer to that? Oh?

41:37

Now you know what?

41:38

Just no,

41:40

no, no, I want

41:42

to sit down and watch that off air.

41:45

I believe he doubles down. It just repeats

41:47

what he said. I think he just doubled.

41:51

Oh my gosh, that is mind blowing.

41:55

I need to Can you send me the LinkedIn?

41:57

I will, I will, I'll send you a whole hour if you want.

41:59

I mean, it's a great hour.

42:00

Joe, I want to see I've never seen it before.

42:03

Yeah. So that's but that goes

42:05

to show you that the cover ups

42:08

went that far that a

42:10

guy who left

42:13

his place of business

42:15

in Detroit moved from Detroit

42:17

to Connecticut. You know that's what they do with those announcers.

42:19

Ye denied in advance

42:22

from it was alleged to be Pat

42:24

Patterson was

42:27

fired and there

42:29

was his two year contract ripped up. Oh there's a clause,

42:31

you're gone. But he also did fire Pat Patterson.

42:34

I think that's what he says next. He said, I did fire the

42:36

executive. I think that's what he does say

42:38

next.

42:39

But it's just like he's.

42:41

Claiming he was fired because he sucks.

42:43

Yes, so

42:45

then.

42:45

Why did you fire Pat Patterson?

42:48

You know, it's it's strange. He spoke

42:51

eloquently. That man has a wonderful

42:53

voice. I can't imagine him

42:55

being a sucking ring announcer. I mean I've never I

42:58

probably heard him if I watched Old Clif, but

43:01

he sounds wonderful to me.

43:03

He did like the event centers, you

43:05

know, like the coming to you know, the

43:07

Madison Square Garden, you know Hall COVID

43:10

yep, yep.

43:11

Yep, yep. Wow. That's yeah.

43:13

I want to definitely see that and

43:15

to go one national television

43:17

and be like, oh is

43:20

there. I don't know, I'll get to the bottom of it,

43:22

come on.

43:23

Yeah, no, could not come off good.

43:26

See that's where and he was by himself. He

43:28

didn't have any legal representations sitting

43:30

next to him. He was on his own. And he would

43:32

do that. He'd go on Larry King by himself.

43:35

You know, he would go in other media, you'd go on Howard

43:37

Stern and take questions like he had the

43:39

ability to take those one on one

43:41

situations. He was out numbered

43:43

like fifteen to one on that show.

43:45

And that's what's happened.

43:48

Yeah, my mind's blown on that because I've

43:50

never you know, I didn't become a

43:52

fan till like the early nineties,

43:55

so all this this stuff earlier,

43:58

I didn't know anything about, you

44:00

know what I mean, And I wasn't a hardcore

44:03

fan that I would know the insider

44:05

info. So to see this

44:09

it blows my mind. And it's amazing

44:11

because you don't see too many people stand

44:14

up to Vince McMahon, and this guy

44:16

wasn't backing down. And

44:19

that's very, very, very attractive

44:21

in a person. I like that, So good

44:24

on him.

44:25

Yeah, and you know, and then this,

44:28

I, like I said, I think that this really

44:31

was a part of that downfall that

44:33

the company had, because then as you go

44:35

into the ninety ninety three, ninety

44:37

four, ninety five, the Doldrum years,

44:40

just the business itself was just

44:42

on a.

44:43

Wow, completely.

44:46

Amazing. Okay, Well,

44:51

unfortunately we spent a

44:53

lot of time one story.

44:57

We really don't have time

44:59

to get in to the next one because it'll it'll

45:02

be too long.

45:02

So well we can continue,

45:05

I mean a little bit more with the Ring

45:07

Boys because in the New York Post,

45:09

and I can give you a little bit more detail

45:11

on that. This

45:14

is where vincick Man began his just

45:16

torrid feud with Phil

45:18

Mushnick of the New York Post. Which look,

45:21

when I was in high school and I was just a

45:23

tried and true Vince mick Mann

45:25

apologist and defender.

45:28

I did a whole report about my hatred

45:30

for Phil Mushnick. But Phil

45:33

Mushnick just went all in against the WWF

45:36

and he quoted vincick Man as

45:39

when he when he questioned about the Ring Boy scandal,

45:41

as Vince saying that they

45:43

found mel Phillips to have a peculiar,

45:46

peculiar and unnatural

45:49

relationship with children. I

45:52

think that's the quote from Vince wick

45:54

Man.

45:55

Okay, so you.

45:57

Know Mushnick again just he had

45:59

the just microscope

46:02

and magnifying glass on top of the

46:04

WWF and Vince and would

46:06

report on this stuff for years and

46:09

would keep the narrative alive that

46:12

what he would say is basically he would

46:14

accuse Vince of being a child abuser,

46:17

a child molest a homosexual,

46:20

a rapist, a miscreant,

46:23

and these are things that he would continue

46:25

to call him for years based

46:27

off of these scandals that broke in

46:30

ninety two.

46:31

So apparently the FBI in

46:36

twenty twenty one revealed that there was

46:38

a videotape of Phillips

46:41

yes molesting a boy

46:43

in the ring before a WWF show

46:45

and also doing

46:49

it the exact way the accusers had described.

46:52

So they came forth the accusers

46:55

and said this happened, and then there

46:57

was a video to prove that it happened.

47:00

And I'm guessing, yeah, I'm guessing

47:02

that's the foot fetish stuff. So that's

47:05

that's that is incredible

47:07

that there's video footage of that. And I don't know whether

47:10

that's from the WWF master

47:13

hardcam footage that they recorded every

47:15

show, or if that's from somebody grabbing

47:18

you know, rogue early house

47:20

show footage where they snuck in

47:22

the giant tape recorder inside

47:24

their their locker room bag.

47:27

Yeah, hey, everybody, if

47:30

it.

47:30

Was ww F

47:32

film, they would have burned it. There's

47:35

no way that those they

47:38

would have got rid of it.

47:39

Don't you think maybe they didn't notice it. Maybe

47:41

it was just one of those hardcams recording.

47:45

Maybe they said we have to subpoena you

47:47

know, X number of hours of footage

47:49

from this time to this time, and somebody had

47:51

literally combed through it.

47:53

The person that is responsible

47:56

for the video footage probably got fired

47:58

as well for not getting rod of it.

47:59

Or yeah, or somebody just said or it

48:02

was the opposite of somebody had, you know, bootleg

48:05

illegal footage where they said,

48:07

you know, one day they were going through there, hey,

48:10

Boston Garden nineteen eighty

48:12

eight, you know house show footage that they brought

48:14

in a smuggled in VHS

48:17

recorder and so what the hell's that

48:19

going on in the ring?

48:21

And then this this Phillips

48:23

guy was an indie promoter.

48:25

Yeah, so I never knew that because I mean I had

48:27

the Internet back then, and I don't remember

48:29

ever hearing anything about that.

48:31

So that's don't

48:33

remember that at all.

48:34

That's that's that is an

48:36

odd one. I don't remember that unless that was super

48:39

duper local. I don't

48:41

know anything about that.

48:43

Let me say something there,

48:47

and I know this because there

48:50

are videos on it on YouTube.

48:54

I'm a big, a big fan

48:56

of your Mom's House with

48:59

the comedians Tom

49:01

and Christine Christina, and

49:03

they do a lot of curations

49:06

off a tic talk and all

49:08

this kind of stuff, and they show fetishes

49:12

where like you can go to places

49:14

and you can pretend you're a baby, or you

49:16

can be dominated

49:20

men can be dominated by females

49:22

and all this kind of like fetish stuff.

49:24

Right, if you are into

49:27

that kind of stuff, do it

49:29

on your own time, don't

49:31

bring it to the workplace. Make

49:34

work a safe environment for all

49:36

that are involved, and

49:39

then shit like this would not happen.

49:43

I don't begrudge anyone

49:45

except for the young boys. That's disgusting

49:48

and it should be off the table. But

49:51

you know, if somebody's like gay, or if somebody's

49:53

in defeat or you're into something

49:56

weird, who cares. We

49:58

all have our fetishes, right, but

50:00

he's into something out there. Do it

50:02

on your own time. Don't

50:04

do it at work, even

50:07

if you're attracted to somebody at work. Keep

50:09

it professional, you know what

50:11

I mean, Like it's it's such the

50:14

environment is toxic,

50:17

and you wonder why people don't

50:19

want to work in certain places. You

50:23

wonder why there's all these stories coming

50:25

out about certain things. Keep

50:27

your fetishes outside of the freaking

50:29

workplace and you'll be fine. And

50:33

again I'm not advocating the young

50:36

boy stuff that is wrong. That is disgusting

50:38

one hundred percent, you

50:40

know, disgusted by that. I'm not

50:43

talking about that. I'm talking about all

50:45

these fetishes. He liked feet. Okay, go

50:47

look at somebody's feet outside

50:49

of work when you get off at nine o'clock, nine

50:51

point thirty, go to the foot fetish stord. You

50:54

know what I'm trying to say, Like, get it outside

50:56

of the workplace. Don't make these

50:58

people feel uncomfortable. We should

51:01

be hired for our talent in

51:03

the ring, what we can

51:06

do as athletes, as individuals,

51:09

how we cut promos, how we carry

51:11

ourselves. We should not be judged

51:13

on whether we sleep with somebody, or

51:16

get on our knees for somebody, or take

51:18

my shoes off and stick my foot in somebody's

51:20

mouth. That's not what

51:22

we should be judged on. We should be judged on our

51:24

talent. And the more stories

51:26

that come out, the more sick I get

51:30

because a little tiny portion of

51:32

that happened to me, and very

51:35

very tiny, and I got out unscathed,

51:37

and I'm fine. But to

51:40

the men and women who had to suffer because

51:42

of this bullshit. It's

51:44

just oh, it

51:46

makes me so angry. It should

51:48

just be based on your talent and not

51:51

what you do behind the scenes that

51:53

goes for wrestling, that goes for acting, that goes

51:55

for singing, that goes for life,

51:58

life in general. That's the way I feel.

52:03

With that.

52:03

To be continued, I am fired up.

52:06

This is uh yeah, you know, you know, I'm very

52:08

long. I'm sorry Pandora's Box. I

52:11

mean, how can we not? How can we not? You

52:13

know you said this could be a five

52:15

part series, this would be a twenty five part series.

52:18

Look, I mean, do you

52:20

agree with me?

52:21

Yes?

52:24

I just man, it

52:26

sucks because there're so many

52:28

guys and girls who were talented and got

52:30

fired and never got to show what

52:33

they are capable of doing because

52:36

they didn't want to succumb to you

52:38

know, backstage politics or sexual

52:41

advancement or what mind you

52:43

get out of here. I'm

52:46

so tired of it, so

52:49

tired of it. It's ridiculous.

52:51

And that's why I always say there's life after WWE.

52:55

There really is. You know, the

52:57

money might not be there, but everything

53:00

else is, and you could look yourself in

53:02

the mirror and be proud of what you

53:04

see, so I

53:08

don't know what else to say.

53:10

That's and that's the ticket.

53:12

Wow, Okay, well I

53:15

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53:17

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54:21

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54:26

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54:26

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