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the cast of characters in the formula

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on but , are some people

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it's all trades for ninety ninety three

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i'm frosted pole three with

0:59

center site on the front room michael

1:02

schumacher damon hill shawl

1:05

see the lead ferrari with jj late so

1:08

debuting be silva says

1:10

and ricotta petroleum opulent that

1:12

rainy day rainy south africa was bats

1:15

and as weekend in

1:17

formula one

1:19

twenty two hungarian grand prix

1:22

was his five hundred and thirty

1:24

eight race and he's always works

1:26

for the same thing there

1:28

is in his thirtieth season with f one

1:30

swiss squad it now says alfa

1:33

romeo on his uniform but for you it

1:35

had south

1:36

we knew that we have a deliver

1:39

and sobbed always motivated

1:41

us incident listen guys you were fantastic we

1:43

were fantastic in group c and there is reason

1:45

why can't be good in enough one

1:53

he meant was exceptional and the way

1:55

he looked to do you had the feeling that

1:58

is you give him a chance he's taking

1:59

he make it as noted

2:02

a

2:05

boy my , member

2:08

with the most complete driver of work

2:10

with in terms of talent

2:13

he's gonna be able to

2:16

i'm home clarkson and bands

2:18

suspects he's he's one of the most fascinating

2:21

we've ever had on f one be on the grid

2:24

he began as began mechanic on salvo mercedes

2:26

sports cars driven by among

2:28

others among michael schumacher when

2:31

the team entered one nineteen

2:33

ninety three it was tiny it

2:35

was legendary own was us that

2:38

and just twenty five others including

2:40

others two drivers grown

2:42

to five hundred and twenty people today

2:45

and as sporting director that

2:47

oversees the mole the reveals

2:49

so much in this interview amazing

2:51

insights into how enough once he really

2:54

works and even why some drivers

2:56

made it and some didn't any

2:59

got so many illuminating stories

3:01

to tell sal was astonishing

3:03

debut season of difficult

3:05

dark second year in nineteen ninety four

3:08

partnerships with mercedes b m w

3:10

and dreadful

3:11

was there when so little as sebastian

3:13

vettel and

3:14

kimi raikkonen their f one davies

3:16

with silva any help the team

3:18

win races on and off we

3:22

started talking about his route to

3:24

a career in motor school which was very

3:26

unusual

3:32

i was never interested in in racing

3:35

in motorsport at all before it's own

3:37

sober to , pure coincidence

3:39

that i met repeat their fourteen to you

3:41

and and ah for ten minutes to set them no

3:43

way you're too young you're on

3:45

experience and on afford you don't

3:47

even have an interest the motor sports and so he kicked

3:49

me out from the into you and then

3:52

three weeks later kept them bothering

3:54

me i called him again anyway and and then and then he

3:56

i mean just because he a

3:58

mechanic desperately

3:59

did someone building a group

4:02

see car at the time we had

4:04

a people in and eight

4:06

as t so was be sober liveris

4:10

as that she's mechanic and three other

4:12

mechanics and there was and i was the nine

4:14

person him who joined and

4:16

then we agreed on one your turn

4:18

quite he wasn't

4:20

especially beginning of the time it was not the racing

4:22

because i didn't go to races to to

4:25

, the first month i never went to a former

4:27

one race and and never the knowledge about

4:29

racing at all and body was teamwork

4:32

and this was exceptional we had like

4:34

little bats in the company we

4:37

were half of the week who are in

4:39

the company company

4:42

she brought dinner often

4:44

regularly so long since then there's a weekly

4:47

t that there were two places

4:49

and she put the cover of on the

4:51

top of it and she's surf some soup

4:53

and spaghetti and and and literally

4:55

was teamwork because you had to with the with

4:57

a very limited amount of people

4:59

we had to one car and to build

5:02

another group seeker from from scratch

5:05

by anita take you back some this finished

5:07

interview that you had with p sell

5:09

but you will what twenty one twenty one this

5:12

was an ads you had no interest in motor sport

5:14

you say so why did you go to the interview

5:16

for my i was working as a as a mechanic

5:19

insults winter tour which was i'm

5:21

the producer of the biggest and the

5:23

and the best and since the diesel engines

5:26

pushups full big ship so

5:28

and then she will be thirty

5:30

, meters height and

5:32

twelve meters in length and

5:34

when when i was just finished my my

5:37

am my to pay more said

5:39

i go to work on on this

5:41

diesel engines goods and

5:43

then traveled with a group of

5:45

a since because it every

5:48

every said defenses had had him at the

5:50

guarantee engineer who were going to mechanic with

5:52

with it and to travelled on travelled

5:54

boat as you were lucky was boat as liner if

5:56

you were unlucky was afraid that's so

5:58

so you you you traveled with with

6:00

it with the set of engines for a year and

6:03

, was this was my goal this was what i wanted

6:05

to do and then the stop production in in

6:07

switzerland because they figured that that

6:09

quite quite a bit cheaper to build engines

6:12

closer to a c and then

6:14

to set of be crane and says put it in into

6:16

the the substance shipping it from switzerland

6:19

and so i'm all of sudden my dream job was

6:21

job and i didn't want to move

6:23

to korea because his have been to next options

6:26

and to milk for actually his i

6:29

and to to go to work in

6:31

the morning by train nominee when like

6:33

by bike about what i was over was

6:36

as extreme bikers i went to whatever whether

6:38

i went with by bike to to by towards

6:40

until morning by much

6:42

i was like a went by train had

6:45

local newspaper says like

6:48

going through and than and seats pp celebrate

6:50

she's looking mechanic

6:53

and like you have to be willing to travel

6:55

the world in the thought that's what i want to do anyway

6:57

with with the ships and so i

6:59

apply a chopper called and said listen i'm from interested

7:02

and the gods and into a date

7:04

immediately because he said he was desperately

7:06

looking for a mechanic and you had never

7:09

watched a motorist the only the only

7:12

thing which came to my mind consider

7:14

motorists what's important is the accident of safe

7:16

with the are only thing was that

7:18

the driver he he a contact with was

7:20

than my member my very first group

7:22

c driver

7:24

what impact did peter make

7:27

on you as a twenty one year old are

7:29

he's he's he's a leader everyman you

7:31

had to has sober sober means

7:34

from clean in english and so

7:36

everything had to be clean and he was very

7:39

very orderly and the

7:42

good thing was up or was it was it myself

7:44

will say i'm an athlete or was a biker

7:47

i'm a hat my routines how i was training

7:49

like like health and

7:52

so it wasn't it wasn't it was match but

7:54

then peter

7:55

the beginning he he was working

7:57

on the car he was welding suspect

8:00

then he was welding fuel rakes so

8:02

he was he was part of the team and

8:04

this changed and obviously quite

8:07

soon after i joined because then we've been them

8:09

the official hamburg seem former

8:11

say this album mercedes in a church and there was

8:13

something impossibly glamorous

8:16

about those arrow sports

8:18

comes wasn't did you feel that that know

8:20

and not not a beginner because the first year we had the

8:22

a a eg he a

8:24

blue car we painted

8:26

it's either for em

8:28

in eighty nine by , i

8:30

knew a little bit about the history of of mercedes

8:32

about the know going

8:35

to lemoyne eighty eight we we had to withdraw

8:37

because we had them them a problem with

8:39

the tires without car so m

8:41

one one of our cars both retired exploded

8:44

on the straight and training and practice session

8:46

so we so and over the time

8:48

i i i learned about the history

8:51

of sports car learned about car mercedes

8:54

and the tragic accident in the sisters and

8:56

to legacy of mercedes as as a silver

8:58

arrow and of course part of that mercedes

9:01

sports com program was the

9:03

young driver program and i'm thinking

9:05

heights her friends and calls ending a michael schumacher

9:08

michael guess you were similar rates to those

9:10

guys at the time pretty much time says the

9:13

think a year younger than me call as

9:15

and michael three years you

9:18

know it's it's have been asked quite often how

9:20

how was michael at the time and

9:23

the to be honest accounting and i can't

9:25

say i remember i remember some of the

9:27

stories from his very first

9:30

group see tests impolitic or he

9:32

crashed into into a

9:34

a push

9:35

then the poor shriver cam like

9:38

pretty , to michael and said why

9:41

did you do it you cut the corner and

9:43

my me me no no no

9:45

idea at into it but i'm michael's

9:48

sides of the car was pretty badly

9:50

damaged is still he do not

9:52

know but we had to had had to good we had a

9:54

very good relationship sports was different

9:57

than he more

9:59

the

9:59

more relaxed and the with the we only

10:02

had like eight to ten races in in in a

10:04

season

10:05

what was at stake for those three guys

10:07

we had a clear plan about

10:09

bringing them into formula lady

10:12

whole yup yup falls off the of them

10:14

and , happened to me to my core was pure

10:16

luck luck that he got a right

10:19

in toward and ninety one because

10:21

of em of area

10:23

and and for heinz the plan was to

10:25

times is going into

10:27

formula one with them with them

10:29

camp with them camel but then

10:31

michael had support but to talk for

10:33

for eddie jordan then all the camel

10:35

money went went hands from

10:38

the planned money from from the huns protect

10:40

to michael fat was the promotion to form

10:42

and one but when they would just doing the schools

10:44

comparably tommy little bit about

10:47

their relationships and i kept going

10:49

to ask a who who was quickest out

10:51

of the three of them back then i

10:53

would say by talent he was hands by

10:56

by natural talent he was hunt hall

10:59

was was very quick as well and

11:01

and obviously the hardest work was michael

11:04

he was he was the one who are some

11:06

his just like living sport

11:09

there , no other seem

11:12

the then set up and training

11:15

and and he was he was completely

11:17

focused and , imported

11:19

to in the middle of the seasons on to i'm i'm

11:22

he went to japan

11:23

because he realized that that them d f

11:25

dream is probably further away than he thought

11:27

oh than than it was planned

11:29

when we gave him another chance in ninety

11:31

three to test a former one current

11:33

this was t to sobers them

11:35

present to hands on although he left

11:37

in the middle of to see who are not happy about spending

11:40

and and them and handsome the first

11:42

chance in in a formal inquiry was excellent the

11:45

was really quick

11:46

is it a big disappointment you said

11:48

michael never raced the sober informant

11:51

no no well as the a

11:53

think but the have probably

11:56

not probably lot of people know that he tested once src

11:58

iran has their own

11:59

it has ages and because

12:02

the ferrari wasn't really up to

12:04

speed and he wanted to have a comparison myself

12:07

with a salvo got snow m know as

12:09

i don't think it's a disappointment the think we're

12:11

all am very that

12:14

we that the head oh

12:16

it's a limited time together

12:18

working on on a project do back

12:21

at that period with great fondness

12:23

the idea who was who were great times really

12:26

great times and then you go to to learn on

12:28

okay went when michael when when michael

12:30

and car drove into limo where

12:33

, little disaster with with

12:35

them but bracket on the engine

12:37

hum both course mean my

12:39

car i was number one mechanic michael was leading

12:41

with with the think three and a half laps of

12:44

ahead , second runner and and

12:47

i'm on got a call we had exactly the same problems all

12:49

illegal bracket broke on the engine and

12:52

then belt will go

12:54

off and and stem the water pump

12:56

wouldn't work anymore we could repair

12:58

it on on michael's carpet we could repair it

13:00

on those only core to the died

13:03

on the when did you get the not

13:05

then

13:06

that you were going formula one racing from

13:09

, ninety one and this

13:11

is a little bit part of sobs history

13:13

that big carmen effective

13:15

from germany are leaving awesome from one day

13:17

to and to the next the decision

13:20

was taken in the it was a financial crisis

13:22

in on to one to she was taken by

13:25

by mercedes benz that the not supporting

13:28

us anymore that's why we high

13:30

hired harvey postlethwaite i

13:33

, guess coin to work

13:35

and approach to the plan was to have was

13:38

in tune in didn't a year

13:40

without racing and ninety two and

13:42

, join join one in ninety three

13:44

and the mercedes withdrawn from all international

13:47

sports international so the group

13:49

see program was some program ended

13:51

and they said we we cannot commit to

13:54

f one and i was up peter saab

13:56

or to up to a decision what are we

13:58

doing and we had some or the offers

14:00

i'd years from from

14:03

mercedes like i'm a a little bit

14:05

of with a m g project so i'm designing

14:07

and and up the road cars

14:10

for mercedes but peter sauber said

14:12

that if we take the multisport

14:14

away from these teams like you take the the ball

14:16

away from a soccer mint is not working anymore

14:19

so it was his

14:20

this issue to

14:22

and to have one which ,

14:24

a high risk decision on the other

14:26

hand later other through good connections

14:29

with to see your to time and mercedes

14:32

and we got financial support pharmacy

14:35

disempower by mercedes how

14:37

much pressure was there on the team as

14:40

he went in to ninety three the

14:42

a good thing i'm i'm i'm was that he

14:45

he's a wide know he he's

14:47

taken all the pressure so for the team

14:49

we , that we have have to deliver

14:52

and and peter always motivated

14:54

us incident listen guys you were fantastic we

14:56

were fantastic and group seats and

14:58

there is no reason why we can't be good in enough

15:00

one and everyone

15:03

else it into business

15:05

from the old shots like ron

15:08

dennis would say that the idea of course he a group

15:10

c is not is not the same level any wasn't

15:12

the same level and but the peter

15:14

the gold pressure and ,

15:17

you could you could feel it you could seat

15:19

and him him often he good

15:21

especially begin fantasy was nervous

15:23

am not sure where we

15:25

going to

15:27

then and then it went it up

15:29

perfectly with for oh my goodness associate

15:32

was him and his lap one that

15:34

a success cross referenced the

15:36

salvage were force and face

15:38

what went there and we could we could been on the podium

15:40

we call wendlingen and we had an electronic issue

15:43

we had change to change you on

15:45

cause car and we lost about three

15:47

minutes or so he could have on the podium but

15:50

you finished with police agencies which

15:52

a to

15:53

the was exceptional so we we had

15:55

this hotel have

15:57

have nice hotel close to the circuit

15:59

and indeed then you will be mario alien

16:01

pizza sober and we organize support

16:03

in a was it going

16:06

are we were very was and

16:08

how many people whether in the and

16:10

this at this moment because there were eight when you

16:12

joined was six years so

16:15

the up into the teams as

16:17

was about on the pistons but the team

16:19

so that the number of people travel

16:21

to the event was twenty seven twenty

16:25

to include including drivers including

16:27

physio team principles of the whole team

16:29

with when semi were three course three quarter

16:31

the specialists coast spec i was a

16:33

thing back then wasn't as a new chief

16:36

mechanic on com know

16:38

i was super if both coasts cabal i was in

16:40

ninety two of us am responsible for

16:42

or for the preparation of f one sold

16:45

it and ,

16:47

acted the gets you need is equipment like

16:49

com or see for example that the the car lifter

16:52

lifter group see you had a live with cars

16:55

you had a different different settings

16:57

you a cranes to to lifted them

16:59

high stance in in in am

17:01

phone one that was in a big difference i was in

17:03

ninety two i visited races see

17:06

what's what's needed in terms of equipment

17:08

as least a trolley some time

17:11

back have an effect opposite with lot like opposite

17:14

covers

17:15

the team achieve six points finishes in

17:17

ninety three in an era when points

17:19

he went down to six place it was a phenomenal

17:22

first season was there a

17:24

danger inside the team that

17:26

you guys are thinking

17:27

nobody

17:30

was, it was never the danger because we knew already

17:32

from from group singing, groups of us was

17:34

it wasn't for my mom but it was fourth motorsport

17:37

on on a very high level and we

17:39

shall not forget them in the 90s groups

17:42

he was a little different than it is now

17:44

at the back is now because we had nice

17:47

on pershall toyota porsche

17:49

mercedes check esten

17:52

monster so we had to be a big

17:55

car brands the competition was very

17:58

tense and you had to be had to

18:00

deliver hand you had to the library and in a professional

18:02

manner and so i don't think

18:05

the from from diverting approach

18:08

on on the car a mechanic is t mechanic

18:10

he wasn't so much different

18:12

one quarter were much simpler than i

18:15

would say groups eco we were much

18:17

much more complicated because you had the lights

18:19

you had the wipers you had flashers

18:22

whatever know i was it was never was

18:25

was risk that we get that we loose

18:27

that we lose ground spend with a reboot

18:29

was macedo he's coming in

18:32

as the actual engine supplier for ninety

18:34

four you'd lose them back in the

18:37

and i was then there was power by mercedes

18:39

he was he was still any more obviously

18:42

marilyn did you feel

18:44

that must say these were coming on board

18:46

and and about but the budget for the last

18:48

very long as that say i'm a of

18:51

hours of a disappointment was that very when they

18:53

went to mclaren very it

18:55

, it was a huge disappointment specially for be

18:57

to suffer suffer of

18:59

of the connection and and we brought

19:02

mercedes back into the sport

19:04

into motorsport off the limo into

19:06

international sports so basically

19:09

it was who released

19:12

the silver arrow

19:13

cause with with his mercedes

19:16

and know he was it was a huge disappointment

19:20

that's with peter the

19:22

time for us to react to find a

19:25

engine supplier was it was very short

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and buyouts debut season in formula

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one exceeded expectations

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the second was more challenging

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it was dark and by a severe crash

21:07

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21:10

that was just two weeks after the tragic

21:12

san marino grand prix at imola

21:15

road and ratzenberger and ayrton senna

21:17

lost their lives and say

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later the driver who scored points

21:21

the salvo in their very first race

21:23

was caught up in caught crush on start line

21:26

that dreadful weekend sook formula

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one and by it to the cold

21:31

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21:33

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roland rothenberg from groups know

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jay to pedro think he was an

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several spectators insert

21:53

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21:58

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22:00

can talk to him this was it

22:02

was just like for me was too into and then what

22:05

the worst thing for me actually was m

22:08

, in the pitlane when i

22:10

think it was a minority last the wheel and

22:12

to will went like a bullet through

22:14

through mechanics and no one would would

22:16

think of stopping the race so d

22:19

m amble and are we didn't they didn't let

22:21

an ambulance in into the pitlane so the with

22:23

with a they detract

22:26

mechanic off the the other to the medical center they

22:28

wouldn't stop the race and for me there was this was just

22:31

like not not real because

22:33

they're mechanics we we're not we're not stopping

22:36

were not suspending duration and send send

22:38

some ambulances into pitlane to for this

22:40

was horror

22:41

why did you continue

22:43

because peter peter

22:46

, give up he's gone through different

22:48

the two other times i'm a motor

22:50

sports in our m in mid

22:53

sixties and of the sixes in this it's

22:55

young though this was like this not an

22:57

excuse or or an explanation but

23:00

it was just a regular that to drive a car killed

23:02

every year at least one and

23:05

, he said listen this is part of of our

23:07

world it is risky sport than this

23:09

the first time you you experience something

23:11

like this i read a long chat and he

23:13

kept me in

23:15

the most sports and but that when

23:17

call vending as then has his horrific accident

23:20

at monaco

23:21

what were you thinking that guy was it

23:23

was for me was that was even more horror because

23:27

at , time we had the the garrett is

23:29

where we worked on the car were on

23:31

a place than different place so

23:33

for me it was clear that the had to

23:35

organize that call call the

23:37

had not had no idea about

23:39

his status a car score is being brought into

23:42

, pitlane and not into the carriage

23:44

because if it wasn't a get rich and

23:46

there was no way to bring a tooth for the for the second

23:48

practice sessions i was running running

23:51

to tend the she came came

23:53

went our roster so karl i'm

23:55

laying next to the car and shaking and shaking

23:58

, a chat with sit it's

24:01

it's what what's what's going on in this is your

24:03

doesn't look on then he was

24:05

transferred to for to the monaco's people

24:07

than to nice the

24:10

was he was a sock he was a shock for

24:12

the whole team a , is

24:14

completely surreal surreal been

24:16

on thursday evening we picked up we had

24:18

to have i was into your with the police for

24:21

one of the half hours about them how maintain

24:23

the car and car , confiscated

24:26

the car for for a couple of of weeks

24:28

until until it was clear

24:31

and be week we could prove it already and on the day

24:33

that he was just a little bit on a little

24:35

bit i it was trying sell me to too late on breaking

24:37

know your boss was and was very it was

24:40

very hard and ten the time after because

24:42

he was nineteen days in hospital

24:44

, unconscious in coma and

24:46

for ninety days we didn't know whether he's gonna survive gonna and

24:49

this was because car was because very

24:51

good friends we still american

24:53

friends nor was he was very tough

24:56

and can you remember how you felt when you you

24:58

got the news that he was out of the com

25:00

yes and and then go a big big

25:02

relief and we've been was could

25:04

also the cheese mechanic and and myself next

25:07

, peter was been been first people

25:09

to visit to but this was like

25:11

weeks and weeks later him in innsbruck

25:14

then he was transfer he from

25:16

to emergency care and then

25:18

we've been the first people to visit and he was

25:21

it was a was releasing him in

25:24

one piece and the end and good mood because when

25:26

we went up to the floor he was

25:28

he was in we walked to his room

25:30

and he came out room of the room and

25:33

he just walked us pass will will pass

25:35

us because them and they're missing cheeses classy

25:37

doesn't he doesn't remember of

25:39

and more because we remember that he had some when

25:43

he woke up he thought that he's like eight

25:45

years old going for like scott race

25:47

and then he was in com again

25:49

and than the next half copies health is gonna be

25:52

in hockenheim for a former right so he had like

25:54

flashbacks until were when

25:56

were first how we saw him and he

25:58

walked past the t

26:01

cry can't he doesn't know

26:03

we are and then it turned around us a dutch

26:05

oven it's ,

26:08

always especially if it is one of your driver

26:10

who is who is i'm involved an in

26:13

and but it's it's lou feet of

26:15

it all the teams with with

26:18

with families if a driver is getting hurt and

26:20

he must have been at paul ricard in

26:22

october when he got behind the wheel

26:24

and a formal encourage him was he straight

26:27

back on it i think the weather was well if

26:29

the i bought it was actually went tesla political

26:32

the next one will have been barcelona

26:34

and barcelona the time had to with with the old carmack

26:36

to had like this does very little bumps

26:39

and then all of sudden set eyes

26:42

with i'm set

26:43

he doubled

26:45

we had to replace him for japan

26:49

in his initial replacement other editors

26:51

are is i'm he was so disappointed

26:53

we said that call is doing the last two events

26:55

of season and webpage saba

26:58

called him said listen i'm on the there could you come

27:00

to to japan anthony said no

27:02

way i'm in malibu serving

27:05

and , away we brought set

27:07

you back for japan and

27:10

totally codenamed recent this new for

27:12

south know then

27:14

carl did adelaide i

27:17

think it was late but he had a crush

27:19

on saturday i right

27:22

and so we had to i think the take

27:24

him and we took him out of the race and

27:26

the crash aside did you see the same

27:28

old driving nope no he changed quite

27:30

a bit car was always

27:33

have been one of the most reserve driver car

27:36

would only

27:38

the people he knew and

27:40

, lot of mechanics they complained

27:42

that he's not saying hello in the morning but he was

27:44

a very shy person and

27:46

after the accident the completely

27:49

he started talking to everyone has

27:51

so he changed m but but for the

27:53

good sour became the

27:55

first team to run the high cockpit sorry

27:57

i'm remember we had were due to problems

27:59

they wouldn't wouldn't let us run initially

28:02

said is no way i'm is not in regulation

28:04

the template wouldn't sit in fans

28:07

and there was there was fight them peter sober said if

28:09

we're not running them we we we drove from season for

28:12

us to safety thing

28:14

and , we're hundred percent sure that with

28:16

with them with the high cockpit

28:20

from cortex you them both who would have been completely

28:23

what does it say about your team that

28:25

youth you fought for safety in that way

28:28

what necessary he was it was an m

28:31

this was the time when i think f

28:33

one woke , with but obviously

28:36

we don't we to draw the schools like two

28:38

weeks before i'm car and

28:40

then we had to in barcelona there was some

28:42

other can't remember he was more probably

28:45

film intimate movies like

28:48

south of of the session so we had to

28:50

have like three we can see euro which which like

28:53

very special i'm very dramatic and

28:56

so does that the has to be

28:59

the safety saddam off the court has to

29:01

be proof and because of of the

29:03

side impact and helmet

29:05

them like be bank to the to

29:07

, on coats and ended the time and

29:09

the for for for am listener

29:11

hood to the no cars had some moments

29:14

that the copied over the shoulder so

29:16

helmet was completely free india and

29:19

we push for it and and pit for

29:21

pt was was very clear we have to do something

29:24

and very satisfying for him that it was eventually

29:27

went to introduce him now let's bring it forward to

29:29

nineteen ninety hardly

29:32

different track now i'd like to ask you about red

29:34

bull they came on board as board sponsor

29:37

ninety five how important was that deal

29:40

the the team

29:41

he was he was very important

29:43

because we've been drinking rep elect

29:46

and know it was

29:48

it was not only rapidly was and petronas and

29:50

petronas and as patrols when the ninety four

29:53

halfway through the season and then rebel and

29:55

we had a mean probably to

29:57

now to sponsors in enough one or

29:59

him two big sponsors and they're both

30:01

started with with and it

30:03

was we will he was a fantastic

30:06

time for both of us for apple

30:08

and and saab first of all with rebel

30:10

we had the financial background to

30:12

to do proper motor

30:15

sports and , he

30:17

was just like a a

30:20

of success him a rebel was hundred eighty

30:22

and eighty six think and then in

30:24

it the first the first i don't know how many years

30:27

repr was only available in or swelling in swelling

30:30

and we them the worldwide

30:32

sponsorship partnership with us

30:35

rep

30:36

was noticed and step

30:38

by step mm we mm for example

30:41

ripple wasn't available in france

30:43

posit was in in in spain and

30:45

we had to pay two and a half thousand swiss francs

30:47

fine

30:48

french border because the friend said you gonna

30:51

do go to smuggle rebel into france

30:53

you know things like that story was it was a young

30:56

company was a very dynamic company

30:59

we , to very close contact to democracy

31:01

see came quite often two races iii

31:03

has them best memories with with did

31:05

it he said a moment ago that he drink

31:08

a lot of red bull implying that was

31:10

lots of late nights how different

31:12

voice the sport bike and

31:14

in some says i mean an all nighter was

31:17

at a regular occurrence by then times

31:19

have changed and and looking back at

31:21

the time who had three cars we had

31:23

mechanics her car that

31:25

the mechanics to did the body work and thirty three

31:27

ceiling and to did everything everything

31:30

all were just like on regular

31:32

basis so like every other weekend

31:34

you had at least one night where can still because

31:37

he had a problem with the fuel had to

31:39

ended in a changing if you sell

31:41

it at the time he was not an easy

31:43

an and we had quite

31:45

often we just went back to the to for a shower

31:48

and and and straight to work to

31:50

the morning

31:51

the and and so this is the

31:54

amount of work in intensity

31:56

of days was much much different

31:58

than than today much more

31:59

the team says was much

32:02

smaller and but the team spirit

32:04

was because you know you had

32:06

to rely on each other you you had

32:09

he , one engine he won the race engineer and you

32:11

had a guy knows calling performances

32:13

he was a data engineer does was divorced a number

32:15

of engineer we had on on the car and

32:17

then obviously you had an engine engineer but one for

32:20

for both course know you've got literally

32:23

for every piece of the kurdish got an engineer

32:25

engineer either at the circuit or at home but this

32:27

is what the sporty he

32:30

says out the sport developed this

32:32

we are not but the team spirit

32:35

the circuit and at home because

32:38

the oral size of the team ninety

32:40

five was probably hundred and eighty i'm

32:43

, different you knew every person in

32:45

the company company i guess

32:47

for me to post to know every of the of of

32:49

our five on the twenty ninth this time

32:51

you a team manager went halfway through

32:53

the season ninety four pete sampras means

32:56

wasn't means from i

32:58

remember it very well because i well drunk

33:01

calories and the other or know he was

33:03

it was you know when we had did the the part

33:05

is behind the old paddock into the store was a grasp

33:08

it he to sober he was looking for me four

33:10

hours he claps me on the show than said

33:12

we have a said tomorrow the and

33:14

then the next the next day so them we

33:17

separate from from our to monitor

33:19

and our new you can be her replacement

33:22

gonna be our new to gonna as and away the

33:24

way i've never booked hotel room

33:27

or of flights myself and he said

33:29

no and you have to do with is you good twenty

33:31

four hours of twenty four hours

33:33

hidden away from the corner the with a mechanic

33:35

i'm a stay as mechanic a ten he said okay than

33:38

the other choices some and other person

33:40

reading the company's idea but skinless

33:43

at all

33:44

and

33:46

older drivers prison all the meetings or in english so

33:48

her out and said see so the

33:50

hits gotta be you and then i agree

33:52

and this was after zeus and i was

33:55

the end of ninety four was in the morning from

33:57

seven o'clock in the morning to seven o'clock in the evening

33:59

in the workshop taking care of cars

34:02

and then i went up to the

34:04

top floor i'm trying to organize

34:07

the team and and

34:09

really had had never booked a room

34:11

for myself and all of a sudden had to do for

34:14

for , team and the lady before

34:16

she tried to destroy destroy

34:19

lot the fires a lot of information of

34:22

, races hadn't no clue

34:24

whether we have out there was books the

34:26

number books were there said to

34:28

figure out everything never going to walk

34:30

and i'm and ten am post

34:34

, were given the radial isis

34:36

came to me and since games can says adversity

34:38

minister said this means that the case com else

34:41

said m you have no not for

34:43

licenses and radio frequency so

34:46

you're not allowed to have

34:48

any frequency running on the weekend and

34:50

said

34:51

radio communication know telemetric

34:54

, just like nothing nothing

34:57

that will allow us to shock was

34:59

big big the end we we paid

35:02

a think sixteen thousand thoughts work fine

35:05

for not applying for less was put in dem be out

35:07

one final say one rent was that

35:10

ever was chance that salva

35:12

could have become retinal race

35:14

i think so his the whole project

35:16

follow them to part with kimi and and them

35:18

into the cabin old rebel

35:20

was pushing for into the can leak it wasn't

35:22

for three thousand in

35:24

the year two thousand and sauber

35:27

asked me to follow him throughout

35:29

the whole season and

35:32

, was sitting on the people every

35:34

race every former three thousand race and

35:37

i wasn't i wasn't really sure about

35:39

his motivation why did

35:41

you want to be a formula one driver was it because

35:44

he wanted to have free entrance into

35:46

biggest the disease the disease deal to live

35:48

with my ceiling and then we and them

35:51

for whatever reason peter saville gave me a

35:54

the

35:55

the week we still can not

35:58

recap or explain why he did it

35:59

because know what are you getting a you being approached

36:02

by the driver managers

36:05

i'm saying that we've got the biggest talent

36:07

in the next decade on them on

36:09

on the on the contracts are given a chance

36:11

then when when we when we took the decision that

36:14

we're going for came instead of america i

36:16

think this is this is where where the whole idea

36:18

of of being rebel racing and

36:21

because because it was when when i'm

36:23

giddy who were bench shareholder of a from

36:26

withdrawn the company insult he shares to

36:29

credit suisse

36:30

it's interesting you mention kimmie

36:32

abbott's i'd love to talk about two thousand and one

36:34

your most successful season as an independent

36:37

team finish fourth to the well constructed

36:39

championships who alerted

36:41

you or peter salvo

36:43

the can be right in the robertson them

36:45

defences they went and people

36:48

about their futures are saying this saying this

36:51

it's not like like you're going and

36:53

and yoyo bargaining about both

36:55

things noi boss

36:57

sincerely yours p to now

37:00

there is no explanation why he me

37:02

a chance for tests make us all helped a little

37:04

bit as well because salo am we

37:07

knew in after celebrated is

37:09

gonna join play author and is gonna

37:11

lease and the and had

37:13

a chance to pete sampras well

37:15

there was a the robertson's then

37:18

can be tested in september mugello

37:20

and you will how impressive

37:23

was not very from

37:25

, physics but

37:27

what would you expect from from job is coming from former

37:30

gnome so what's more we stand with him

37:32

with the it's like three four laps and tell me that

37:34

he needed a break for fifteen twenty minutes

37:36

and shows if labour was they're they're

37:38

him his him to give him a chance

37:41

had to do as many laps as possible

37:43

and sensible over to to their peers

37:46

and there wasn't there

37:48

is a story that michael came and said then the who

37:50

is this driver and and to have to sign

37:52

him i i wasn't there when

37:55

the stories right no and no or

37:57

not i don't know i'm peter

38:00

editor be michael them but

38:02

he but he was he was said he was up

38:04

to speed from beginning though he was

38:06

it was comparable with with didn't

38:08

the was exceptional and

38:10

these comments as he didn't talk a lot of i

38:12

know he's case gonna so that i can do better

38:14

her can do better

38:17

no was he was impressive and and to into

38:19

the way he he looked

38:22

at you from the had the feeling that he should

38:24

give him a chance he's taking it and

38:26

to make the best out of it

38:38

when

38:41

i drive as the voice whole

38:43

thing the constructors to meet you

38:47

the by at how much of a surprise

38:50

sources in melbourne the

38:52

whole it already was the present the movie was

38:54

muslim evolved and in something completely

38:57

unexpected we , to we

38:59

had a lot of good racism the

39:01

car was excellent and then had to drive is were

39:03

each other them in in a little bit upset

39:06

that he didn't get the mclaren drive the before

39:08

he was with them prost and before

39:10

he before for mclaren informer

39:13

mclaren thousand dollar

39:15

but there was pushing each other and we had

39:17

the very we time together did you

39:19

regret letting can be gun at the of

39:21

the a weed with with didn't let him

39:23

go we didn't to let him since

39:26

this yours to there was no options

39:28

he he might he might eventually we had a bulletproof to

39:31

three a contracts with him and to the made it very

39:33

clear that rather gonna stop than clear

39:35

, on his rose either he's gonna join

39:38

mclaren or gonna stop the

39:40

made it very clear

39:41

there was a certain financial incentive

39:44

as well there was absolutely with sweet tea

39:46

with the finance either know how

39:48

much he was both with the financial incentive

39:51

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39:53

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to talk more about drivers will

41:30

get on to felipe a masseur a solid place

41:32

shortly and there's more to come about

41:34

kimi raikkonen i asked buyouts

41:37

about the other two world champions

41:39

he's worked with does that feel nerve was

41:41

the second and bass take on him

41:43

might surprise you the

41:45

third son is sebastian vettel

41:48

who drove the bmw silva tests

41:51

in practice sessions the end of two thousand

41:53

two thousand and in his grown pre debut

41:55

in two thousand and seven that

41:57

was there for those early tests

41:59

remember struggling

42:03

when we tested him in

42:05

a think he was set us to first imo city in our

42:08

car before he had he had with

42:10

williams

42:11

he was slowly some meaning he

42:14

he needed

42:16

quite a bit of time to adopt to am changes

42:19

from , and his group changes we

42:21

had when he was a little bit damp and tried out

42:23

them he was a very learner

42:26

and let's see the first

42:29

couple of test or wasn't so impressed about

42:31

him but then he opens helena

42:33

what the open to the eddie edwards the and we gave

42:35

him at the first p one session in istanbul

42:38

and , put it on who the quickest time

42:40

of course was low fuel level and and

42:43

the to so broad the extremes of the whatever

42:45

we a steely had to

42:47

do it had it had to set the time

42:49

and

42:50

he he developed himself

42:53

during the

42:54

the decision to an altar massively

42:58

again if you look at his very first his

43:00

is complete first complete season two

43:03

, eight eight a joke

43:05

home we had a room with a running gag that the m

43:07

if there was a start accident a boston

43:10

was it was always nearby so has

43:13

he has he moved quite quite a

43:15

bit and then again when of the months

43:18

of the world has changed for him the

43:20

level of competence you you get with with

43:22

the race when the think must

43:24

be extreme

43:26

did you see similarities between sebastian

43:28

at a young michael schumacher in terms of work

43:30

ethic how , approach

43:32

things there was a is is it wasn't

43:34

was a kid by then then

43:36

was twenty when he turned sober

43:38

to boston rob with michael wasn't much more

43:41

mature in his age than than symbols

43:43

symbols symbols symbols really like a little kid

43:46

northern of similarities of think

43:48

of two of them and the third world

43:50

champion this race for salvage jack fiona

43:54

two thousand and five he did the whole season half

43:56

of two six

43:58

the results didn't stand out

44:01

what impressed you about him first of all that the civic

44:03

history who were able to side world to

44:05

emphasise tests or a this was this

44:08

was a thing at the time to go the thing

44:10

that sober is having

44:12

, are tempted on board then

44:15

what i remember is t sauce

44:19

around him so he's managed sure

44:21

he sees you the

44:23

they would say he needs he needs like

44:25

that much space in space driver needs

44:28

a slick out she needs

44:30

to isn't that that's and that's

44:32

and them we're not building a team around to driver

44:35

to driver has to accept actually

44:37

what what he gets and in

44:39

cyber all the time to driver has

44:41

all been treated the same and

44:44

so when so when

44:46

philip i'm also the when he gets driver

44:48

room which is like three three by three meters

44:50

shop will get the same he will not get to see my

44:53

six meters and to foster which

44:55

managed made the rounds money remember

44:57

he came to melbourne and said that never

45:00

accept it he will never accept such

45:02

as such as such small driver room and the

45:04

did what he gets full stop and he

45:07

was absolutely no problem he easy

45:09

to deal with all the rumors

45:12

him being completely dicicco

45:14

the prima ballerina was absolutely not true

45:16

to work him or was it was fun medical

45:19

time we still have still have time for them

45:21

who was quicker out of him and felipe in

45:24

the and will sleep

45:25

it was really briefly be young upcoming

45:28

we had some problems with philip as well because he kicked

45:30

him out of the two thousand , two

45:33

and he came back in two thousand and four because two thousand

45:35

two was disaster he was he

45:37

was he not willing

45:39

to to

45:41

take advice is on board am

45:44

, left yeah totally sober two thousand three

45:46

headed is a season of a ferrari from

45:49

alongside michael lot better

45:51

when lot when when back he was he was at the

45:53

a different person the different drivers and

45:55

was quick philippe was quick

45:57

consistent and shock little

46:00

bit bizarre for me a lead lead need motivation

46:03

he did someone to push him throughout through

46:05

eraser a cinch need telling him you have

46:07

to you , to push more you have

46:10

break deeper into one you have to do you

46:12

still do coaching these days but

46:14

it's humid coaching way we did with

46:16

joke was was very

46:18

special strange season now you've

46:20

worked with so many drivers in

46:23

your salvatore i'm including sports

46:25

cars difficult question coming

46:27

now

46:28

who was the fastest who has been the first

46:32

i was coming from from our

46:34

point of view from pure tell him point is

46:36

definitely kim and an hour

46:38

everyone is saying

46:40

or a lot of people are saying that is he would have taken

46:43

it more serious from he

46:45

could have

46:46

the chief more world championship capsule

46:49

i think would

46:51

happen to him in two thousand three two thousand for

46:53

think you have to thought that in two thousand five the

46:55

last out by one point and did hold

46:57

had too many dns

46:59

the technical problem the car he should be

47:01

super three tumble tempered definitely

47:03

, from from pure talent is kimi had

47:05

can be lost any of his speed from two

47:07

thousand and one twenty came back to the team

47:10

in terms as i think i think put

47:12

the last this is qualifying speed because he was

47:14

one of the quickest when he was young

47:17

young now he would probably disagree

47:19

with as with think it's as it's

47:21

think matter of eight the

47:23

age

47:24

forty two a thing from probably

47:26

dakota's are thriving quicker than

47:28

the hideous you have to and stamps know

47:30

he lost he lost a little bit on own his

47:32

qualifying performance in , race

47:35

he was still excellent minute

47:37

to don't talk to keep me during the race he does

47:39

everything on his own so when you have engine

47:41

is talking to background the engine settings

47:43

and okay let's and let's let's

47:45

him to go to and in tune than

47:48

l his just it is

47:50

by himself so he is one of the

47:52

most for me one of the most

47:54

clever racing driver

47:56

he can read races he knows exactly when

47:58

when he has to decide

47:59

when used to push one is better to

48:02

let someone someone would take because you know this

48:04

and strategy he he he reads he wants

48:06

to the information team he

48:08

wants to have during have race is what's going around

48:10

him but he doesn't see and then and then read

48:12

races

48:13

that's one of the driver would like to ask you about

48:15

show looks like twenty eighteen comparisons

48:18

between him and a young a young

48:20

schumacher very talented he

48:22

needed a little bit longer than expected

48:25

a think the first point he scored here in boca

48:27

i'm not mistaken until

48:30

, that way c d struggled am

48:33

because to the driving

48:35

style need to fulfil walker was fulfil little different

48:37

than ten de esto all

48:40

of us to be expected for him to adopt a little bit quicker

48:42

as i think he expected from yourself as well

48:45

as both but indiana bottom line

48:47

and probably the most

48:49

complete driver have worked with in

48:51

terms of natural talent

48:54

in of

48:56

intelligence intelligence then

48:58

and then to like he's so focused

49:00

he's gonna able to

49:02

then i asked you know about a case what

49:05

have been i'm talking about

49:07

the bmw era they bought

49:09

the team in two thousand and five surely

49:12

the team could have become oh champion

49:15

as a bmw owned enterprise

49:17

i think this was clearly silly the goal and

49:20

he went we're went we're we're in the right

49:22

direction from specially two thousand

49:24

eight oh although although president s

49:26

wasn't as bad as tissue body was bad as well

49:28

as and we we had kind of a be version

49:31

at the first race and the amount of

49:34

the manpower and and did financial investment

49:37

which we headed the time was was just like excellent

49:39

though you were one of the top did unfortunately

49:42

we we we made a

49:44

concept mistakes with t curse

49:47

two thousand nine i think we've been the only team

49:49

we the air cooled system

49:51

instead of fluids called we

49:53

could run fifty percent

49:56

them throughout the whole season on the electric engine

49:58

no more because he was overheating

49:59

the com and so they that we had to tease was

50:02

terrible season two thousand that's of

50:04

the two thousand but i'm pretty sure that

50:07

is bmw would have stayed on board them that

50:09

we would have been worse have been or definitely

50:12

even today robert cove

50:14

it said will tell you

50:16

he could have won the world championship in two thousand

50:18

and eight he won the team's only

50:20

race actually sofa in montreal

50:23

and he said that was the moment

50:25

to get on and when that world

50:27

championships but the management said otherwise

50:30

know as a think the key focus

50:32

was

50:33

probably was too early put

50:35

, two thousand and nine with with the new

50:37

engine former with with the new electric part

50:40

part he was he and that

50:42

we we sort as we should have invested

50:45

more towards and of the season

50:47

in in the in

50:49

in two thousand eight in the the current rate above

50:51

than the other hand and robot would as

50:54

wealth the when actually was was next

50:56

been in immortal nick had to let rope

50:58

ago

50:59

because you are different strategies you cited

51:01

she but if nick

51:04

would have blocked robert the

51:06

couple of laps or think he

51:08

could have wonders

51:09

there was a team team decision

51:12

i'm looking forward to your next meeting with robot

51:14

cessna assessed oh i know

51:17

that you know that i must say though it was wonderful

51:19

to see robert win race after his

51:21

horrific accident at the same track their previous

51:24

absolutely was a was them

51:27

he's always could

51:29

hit it with other know it's always great to winner

51:31

for me wonder is because we only one wonders

51:34

, was very exceptional

51:36

we can personally because he was a one two and

51:39

with robert we measured

51:41

the high the highest heart rate ever

51:43

in a former one driver the above

51:46

two hundred this was when

51:48

he stepped on the top podium not

51:50

not driving when he was on the on the

51:53

on the top of the podium

51:55

was a re he wanted to go there i had to organize a a

51:57

party and evening she short short

51:59

party had to find a restaurant four

52:02

hundred people and thought it was very

52:04

good happy days less

52:06

, days of course is when be i'm doubly pulls

52:08

out at the end of two thousand and nine they weren't

52:10

the only ones to pull out that year of course but

52:13

how much warning did you get know

52:15

that sits iraq zero but but not even

52:17

more tyson was informed it wasn't june

52:20

or july think when they announced

52:22

it pizza sober and monetizing

52:24

monetize some was informed the day before

52:26

the announcement announcement guy who was

52:29

who was behind your form pro printing list of the pumpkin

52:31

to see you and that he was to seal

52:33

he retires and then it was mr

52:35

right over we had another financial another

52:39

f one wasn't so popular we other

52:43

med other incidents with the of

52:45

the or financing i think right over

52:47

the over was more like interested

52:50

, and goals

52:52

and so i think the shift the focus give a book

52:54

but the cannot tell for sure but there

52:56

was zero warning

52:57

then we had the difficult because

52:59

we had a company

53:02

interested then when it turned out that

53:04

it's not real the we had another

53:06

problem we didn't get a license from their because

53:08

the license was us

53:12

then i fi

53:14

they assessed the us grampa company

53:16

and the came back and said these leeches than to

53:18

have personnel and have the machineries

53:21

endeavor that was an indian

53:23

nothing was there i'm ,

53:25

a little bit and and we had to fight for for

53:28

of all took to keep the company to support

53:30

the company back how close did

53:32

you come to going on the other was

53:34

when i close my was was close

53:36

without be stepping in and buying

53:38

says back at a time when when

53:40

the company was sold to bmw sixty seven

53:43

percent of the shares were credit suisse

53:45

thirty three whoa whoa we're a repeat a and

53:48

the deal was that credit suisse keeps

53:51

on stickers logos on the car and

53:53

then step over the forward a four year

53:56

they they a turn over the shares

53:58

to to bmw so in the end long

54:00

to think that peter sober with

54:02

the so to supersede the money the money he the

54:05

revenues go from thirty three percent with

54:07

thirty percent hit by a hundred percent of

54:09

the company it wasn't cheap because

54:12

mean meanwhile bmw best of the locked

54:14

into facilities we we doubled

54:17

mood to work space and time anyway

54:20

he was extremely difficult first of all

54:22

to to convince bmw for

54:24

do there wasn't wasn't not

54:26

involved at all the divorce peter money shot and

54:29

, to get the license from their faith and

54:32

and i think to tenori with didn't have a license

54:34

so even even though the did company was

54:37

kind of safe we couldn't

54:39

compete because there was no license then

54:41

divorced involved a hard time for

54:44

peter and , me as

54:46

well we had to let go to on than fifty people

54:49

who had to read we're caught

54:52

decisive company in half the

54:54

hostess was hard because you had

54:57

no , which were there for

54:59

years and years and years and you know their families

55:02

and and do has to tell

55:04

the story there is no space funeral

55:06

how help was bernie ecclestone through

55:08

that a know i'm there was not involved

55:10

in that though he was he was the first

55:12

year and if you look at the card two thousand and ten

55:15

from there was based

55:17

the think pretty much the only sticker on the on

55:19

on the car at the time because we had to do

55:22

a contractually there

55:24

were kids who was it was playing

55:26

the plane called no logos

55:28

someone must have helped do you think

55:30

bernie like salvo full stop

55:32

to think he liked the fact that there a swiss

55:34

team in formula one a

55:36

, rigging i'm pretty sure to did t t

55:40

that me to survive for for a long

55:42

for a long time and you know that that in

55:44

the nineties yet so many one thing

55:47

coming and coming on the they the

55:49

the than later

55:51

pacific and than

55:53

, in the end i'm sure that he appreciated

55:56

peter am on a personal level and that

55:58

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if he were to map out the location

56:31

of current formula one reason you'd

56:33

notice a seven of the ten

56:36

or in the uk motor sport valley

56:38

is where you'll find red bull mercedes

56:40

aston martin mclaren williams even

56:43

for stream out pain and us own

56:45

they do are in italy

56:48

ferrari

56:49

atari and then you

56:50

one of a stone on it's own

56:53

in switzerland and veil is home

56:55

to about twelve thousand people and

56:57

the salvo f one factory it's now

56:59

the base for alfa romeo hundreds

57:02

of snow covered mountains and hundreds of

57:04

miles separate the theme from

57:06

the rest of the f one was banned

57:09

says the seems unique location is

57:11

sometimes challenging and not

57:13

just because the long journeys to race tracks

57:17

prize money is paid in us

57:19

dollars let's say the ninety's

57:22

you get thirty

57:24

million us dollars was four to five

57:26

million swiss francs then

57:28

the exchange rate changed completely

57:31

and issue is you get sixty million

57:33

dollars you got you got less than forty five million

57:36

though

57:36

it was it was one of the points which

57:39

made it very difficult to do sports

57:42

out the switzerland and salary level

57:44

are extremely high in switzerland so

57:46

you have to manage

57:49

the your money this in a different way it

57:52

was not always easy to

57:54

the attractive for

57:56

the english engineers then

57:59

again

57:59

if you have if you look we have so

58:02

engineers him uk citizens

58:04

which are working for a for twenty years twenty

58:07

fifteen years but you know what they sobers

58:09

they describe as try that's

58:12

what we're going to you come to switzerland and you

58:14

never leave the eyes it's such know

58:16

you have us do that to us to m

58:19

two types is is a new lease quite

58:21

soon because he you swiss

58:23

, are are very reserved you

58:26

notice like to invite people your house

58:28

which you don't really know is is very

58:30

surf and either you're you're if you're not

58:32

getting connected specially since you're

58:34

moving to switch them with your with your children

58:37

to the normally than on have come to their connect their but

58:39

the for wife doesn't get connected this doesn't

58:41

find anyone then you have to you

58:43

have so the one group is leaving

58:46

within year or two because

58:48

they don't like it and but most most

58:50

of the guys to english guys

58:52

join would join sober still with us

58:55

three to twenty three

58:58

goes the form this a good of course pete sober

59:00

at he buys the says back but

59:02

then but then eventually sell to

59:04

longbow finance and twenty seven

59:07

seats to think it of rents for him

59:09

to sell how much does he miss it and he had

59:11

so squatting

59:13

so we we

59:15

had some very dark years

59:17

in terms of financial situation

59:20

the biggest problem was changing from will be a

59:22

to movie sucks to be eight was probably

59:25

three times

59:26

listen feast and and to be

59:28

six and this was like

59:30

easy for talking about talking about

59:33

thirteen million the year difference

59:36

and , a small team as a private

59:38

team it was it was just impossible to

59:40

recovery with with sponsors and

59:43

when the when our huge but

59:45

the bigger problem started

59:46

country for the engine for the gearbox so

59:48

it's throw or baton

59:50

what the highlights this just

59:52

how many different areas you

59:55

are having to deal with on a daily basis by

59:57

the probably more than than other or

1:00:00

my colleagues because it but it is normally

1:00:02

to grow up in enter in

1:00:04

accompany him you

1:00:06

have more jobs than than other people i'm taking

1:00:08

care of the infrastructure gary chimp results

1:00:10

of trucks of of catering

1:00:13

f of historical cars

1:00:16

the driver academy the last

1:00:18

a little bit of sporting regulations

1:00:20

just the stasi regulations on a yacht a very close

1:00:22

relationship with charlie whiting at the if i agency

1:00:25

if you didn't had a good relationship with charlie

1:00:27

was definitely on you in northern shore know totally

1:00:29

was and wade

1:00:32

the rules are written today's is

1:00:34

today's is is is is is is my regulation

1:00:36

basically not not the wording but the

1:00:38

composition of the articles and

1:00:40

i went to charlie her think he was two thousand and thirteen

1:00:42

us had solid the whole structure doesn't

1:00:45

make we jump from from

1:00:47

race starts to tired test to

1:00:49

thrive as briefing and we should

1:00:52

arrange it in in in the more logical

1:00:54

order and he said he asked if she wanted

1:00:56

to hits go ahead and the said

1:00:58

it is and then then

1:01:00

through eighth into this this this is built this

1:01:02

is a fine piece of work and congratulations

1:01:05

then we adopted a fly you remain

1:01:07

true to salvage

1:01:08

all of these years because i'm sure they would have been office

1:01:11

to join other the i had a heads m

1:01:13

as your first put the timing was was

1:01:15

never right in ninety one had a car accident

1:01:17

in in japan i have no

1:01:20

what happened because it was so wasn't coma for

1:01:22

for quite a while anyway i was sentenced

1:01:24

to be guilty and , was sentenced

1:01:26

to pay the family compensation

1:01:29

which was complete in there was a mechanic which is completely

1:01:33

out the full of my reaching of my this gonna

1:01:35

pay a million compensation

1:01:37

am then you know my

1:01:39

my lap my is basically the on a repeater sober

1:01:41

mercedes benz helped a lot i

1:01:43

have a hit a tree house arrest

1:01:46

and kumamoto and ,

1:01:48

have helped me and then he gave me the chance

1:01:51

although i didn't want to do to the way them to

1:01:53

develop myself as develop myself two minutes

1:01:56

and when when the offer came from

1:01:58

other teams

1:02:00

it was always or a moment the first

1:02:02

will offer came when bmw took

1:02:04

over of it can say

1:02:06

did say call me immediately multitudes

1:02:09

this is the one want to want you to work

1:02:11

for me and there would never dare to toss

1:02:14

[unk] pizza to let you go but now is peter is gone

1:02:16

these now it's bmw come come from and

1:02:19

took me three months to decide action

1:02:21

now and pizza was p say below

1:02:23

the belt we need you here for the transition because

1:02:25

without you i'm is not going to work

1:02:28

and been so just was this was the first moment

1:02:30

and then later with the financial

1:02:32

difficulties we had to oh we thought

1:02:35

the would not be right to run away

1:02:37

the had some good offers but he won't we

1:02:39

was never the right time

1:02:41

this are an element now that

1:02:44

you've been with the team so long you can't see yourself

1:02:46

anywhere else not know i'm or wouldn't say the snow

1:02:49

never say at the moment of sue happy especially

1:02:52

now with with with how the goes

1:02:55

of course it is

1:02:56

not that funny to or

1:02:59

if you turn up on on on the race weekend than

1:03:01

to say you're very lucky this we can we we

1:03:03

score a point to the situation disporting

1:03:05

side has changed compete this helps to

1:03:08

, myself and but this helps a whole team

1:03:10

and this is a different mood in in the carriage

1:03:12

and then we had the last week with last two were

1:03:14

really in terms of on the sporting

1:03:17

such an but i would not

1:03:19

say never

1:03:21

the right

1:03:22

for would have to com

1:03:24

the next one or two years because

1:03:26

then that is definitely to change while

1:03:29

obe interesting see what happens by up

1:03:31

when you look back at your time

1:03:33

at silva so far which

1:03:36

to has been the happiest era the

1:03:38

groupie

1:03:39

several elements first have always been a very

1:03:42

very small team and we've been working and

1:03:44

night and the

1:03:46

the in the whole

1:03:48

team and he was he was not like colleague

1:03:50

that were really friend sweet you

1:03:52

know stupid as we were that that

1:03:55

if we had to move every weekend every

1:03:57

evening in a week we went

1:03:59

well for dinner together know what he was

1:04:02

he was a bunch of crazy young

1:04:04

people and , we started

1:04:06

to i'm with you know we we

1:04:10

response ourselves

1:04:11

the we we we had like two to have peace

1:04:14

isn't we had to wealthy it's with we we

1:04:16

build it a car except the engine

1:04:18

and the gearbox the car was

1:04:20

built by a bunch of people and and

1:04:23

this but , car

1:04:25

bomb cockpit the aluminum

1:04:28

riveted boulders whatever clue

1:04:31

it was he was exceptional and then obviously winning

1:04:33

limo eighty nine

1:04:36

for me there's nothing bigger

1:04:38

in full in a motor sports probably because

1:04:40

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