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What's going on with

0:36

Daniel Ricciardo?

0:37

It's a question that came up time and

0:39

again

0:40

in the years after he left Red Bull

0:42

racing in twenty eighteen. With

0:44

that team, he'd shown that he was one of Formula

0:47

One's most exciting talents. He'd

0:50

won seven races. He moved to

0:52

Reno and then McLaren in the

0:54

hope of winning many more. I

0:57

took a little bit of a gamble

0:59

myself obviously, the McLaren one

1:02

even with the win. Like, the win was a high and I

1:04

can't remove that. Like, that was I can't

1:06

ignore that. It's McLaren. They'll

1:09

win the

1:09

Italian grand prix.

1:11

There was a challenge I took

1:13

on and and it didn't It

1:16

didn't work out how how I hoped. Less

1:18

than a year after that fabulous day

1:21

at Monza, Daniel and McLaren decided

1:23

to call it quits. and park company.

1:26

Now he's going back to where it all started,

1:29

Red Bull, as a third driver.

1:32

We

1:32

won't see Daniel racing in twenty twenty

1:35

three, but like the great driver that he

1:37

is, he's already thinking further

1:39

ahead in Abu Dhabi. Sure,

1:41

I felt a little more emotion, but

1:43

I don't truly believe

1:45

it's my last race. Today,

1:47

I can't tell you if it wasn't or wasn't.

1:49

And that's why I've chosen to take

1:52

time off next year to really find that answer

1:54

and and not make an emotional decision or

1:56

a quick decision or Because, of

1:58

course, there were times over

1:59

the last little bit where I was like, yeah,

2:02

I think I'm done. Well, come

2:04

to F1B on the grid with me

2:06

Tom Clarkson.

2:10

Like

2:10

many great drivers before him,

2:13

Daniel Ricciardo has decided

2:14

the best way to continue his

2:16

Formula One career is to take a step

2:18

sideways and spend a year

2:20

on the sidelines. When

2:22

we sat down to record this interview, five

2:24

days after the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix,

2:26

I didn't know what kind of mood he'd or

2:28

what he'd want to talk about But

2:30

above all, I

2:31

wanted to find out what is going

2:34

on with Daniel Ricciardo. I

2:36

think by the end of this, you'll know the answer.

2:39

He was in top four funny, thoughtful,

2:41

and honest. We talked about his struggles

2:44

at McLaren, whether he ever considered

2:46

quitting altogether. Why

2:48

overthinking things can cause problems?

2:50

His choice of going back to Red Bull

2:52

and how a year away from Formula

2:54

One's intense competition might

2:57

do him. a lot of good. We're

2:59

going to miss Daniels accelerating overtaking

3:01

in twenty twenty three. But as you listen

3:03

to this, you get a feeling he's

3:06

not done with Formula One. I

3:08

hope you enjoy our Daniel.

3:12

Hello. The

3:14

dust has settled on Abu Dhabi.

3:16

How are you feeling? Was it a bit dusty? Wasn't

3:18

it out in the desert? I

3:20

feel good. I feel content. I'd I'd say

3:22

the two your two words I'd use is

3:24

content and relieved. Right?

3:27

Explain both of those words. Why content first

3:29

of it?

3:29

content, I

3:31

think just to have

3:34

got through it all, like to have come

3:36

through the other side, if you will, they

3:38

were certainly testing times, you know,

3:40

this year even more than last. And I feel

3:42

like I was still, of course, some

3:44

Sundays would hurt, but I was still able to

3:47

enjoy parts of the weekend and

3:49

and still kind

3:51

of took a lot of good memories away even in the

3:53

second half of the season when everything

3:55

had happened. So that I'm

3:57

content with, I guess, the

4:00

way I got through it and

4:02

relieved. I guess it goes hand

4:04

in hand, F1 kind

4:06

of relieved, like, at the end of a of a season,

4:08

like, even if whatever happened this

4:10

year didn't happen, I feel like you get to the final

4:12

race and you do have a sense of relief and

4:14

there's a bit of sadness as well because every year's

4:17

big and busy and it's got like it carries

4:19

its own moments and memories, but

4:21

ultimately just kind of relieved to

4:24

have made it through.

4:26

These well, these seasons are long. They

4:28

are. I think the whole paddock breeds a

4:30

bit of a sigh of relief. But how about

4:32

excited? Because Let's

4:34

start the chat talking about Red Bull.

4:36

Third driver, that news is just broken.

4:39

Excited. Excited to?

4:41

Yeah. there's, I mean, there's certainly more

4:43

than more than a couple words, but

4:45

excited to I

4:48

think it all just especially

4:50

for what what I've wanted has made more and more

4:52

sense, you know, since the summer breaks

4:54

gone on and and with time, and I

4:56

think it's perfect for

4:58

what I want. moving into

5:00

next year. There's something about

5:03

returning back to the Red Bull family,

5:05

which feels really

5:08

right and that's made me

5:10

kinda like, yeah, warm and cozy inside.

5:13

So there's like a lot of elements which

5:15

kind of make it right and then obviously

5:17

gives me a chance to stay

5:19

involved, but to still,

5:21

like, with enough distance that

5:23

I can still tick some boxes that I want, you

5:25

know, next year and to get that time

5:27

that I said I want and, you know, that time for

5:29

myself and all of that.

5:32

But when I am involved in in f

5:34

one and when I'm at, you know, some events, race

5:36

weekends and and with Red Bull, you

5:38

talk about what you want. Is

5:39

it time for yourself? Is it that

5:41

more than anything else? Yeah.

5:43

And it's I don't know if it's if

5:45

I'll define it as time for myself

5:48

or time away from

5:50

the sport or the competition, if you

5:52

will, because I

5:54

guess, again, they probably both go hand in

5:56

hand, but the competition is

5:58

is why I do it. You know,

5:59

that's why, even away from Formula

6:02

One as soon as, you know, as a kid, I I love competing

6:04

in any form of sport or little contest.

6:07

But it's also competition is also

6:09

tiring. You know, it plays with your emotions.

6:11

It's it's it's relentless, especially

6:13

the way the season is, and it's like so

6:16

I I also just feel as much as it's my

6:18

biggest passion in life competing.

6:20

I

6:21

also just need to take

6:23

a break from that and and the highs

6:26

and the lows. And I feel like I

6:28

just need to find a bit more balance

6:30

in life because let's say, life

6:32

outside of a race car this year has

6:34

been really fun and enjoyable, and I and I

6:36

love I pretty

6:37

much love every day. but

6:39

the racing can obviously affect

6:42

that. And, you know, that that

6:44

creates peaks and troughs and those

6:47

are a little They're they're relentless. And

6:49

yes, it's what I signed up for, but

6:51

I'm at a point now or I'm like, okay. If I

6:53

wanna be my best self, I need

6:55

to create some distance.

6:58

Okay. What will a third driver

7:00

who's done more than two hundred Grand Prix

7:03

and one eight races? What? what

7:05

is the job description? Voice

7:08

you're getting twenty eleven vibes here when

7:10

you were test and reserved for Toruoso. I

7:12

mean, it it please tell me it's

7:14

not the same job as that or is it?

7:16

No, it's it's not. And look,

7:18

obviously, on both sides, we were clear. and

7:21

and they they they I didn't need to say it.

7:23

You know, they said they're like, look, mate, we appreciate

7:25

where you are in your career as you say, like,

7:27

how many races I've done, whatever. you're

7:30

not gonna be going back in time, standing

7:32

at the back of the garage, and

7:34

just being a bit of a fly on the wall, like,

7:36

yes, I'll be involved. if I want

7:38

to attend some debriefs, I will I'll

7:41

do some simulator. But I would say

7:43

it's as much for now a, let's

7:45

say, marketing role position

7:47

as it is a, call it, driver

7:49

position. So I think with

7:51

the sport growing, of course, as it is,

7:53

they also see you know,

7:55

how I could be a good advocate

7:57

for them as a brand, a team, and and all that.

8:00

So it'll be a mix

8:02

a mix of let's

8:03

say, driver duties in terms of

8:05

the sim and that. But

8:06

also, yeah, like I I guess, I'll

8:09

not give myself credit, but where I could definitely

8:11

contribute as well is you know, my experience. And

8:13

obviously being through a

8:15

few environments the last few years, kind of returning

8:18

back to Red Bull as well seeing

8:20

how that team's growing and just trying

8:22

to trying to contribute and help

8:24

where I can returning back to

8:26

Red Bull. How were the negotiations? because I'm

8:28

sure Helmer and Chris were quick to remind you

8:30

that you left in twenty eighteen.

8:33

During the negotiations, did they keep reminding you

8:35

of that? No. They

8:37

didn't. And, you know, that's where

8:39

I think I was very like,

8:41

I I told him I was very honest and appreciative.

8:43

I just said, guys, like, thank you. Like,

8:45

thank you for just having this

8:48

conversation with me. I said no matter where this conversation

8:50

goes, I was just like, thank you for the time

8:52

because, yeah, you guys don't owe me

8:54

anything. But I think as well the

8:56

you know, like, if you take it for what it

8:58

was, yes, I left Red Bull at twenty eighteen.

9:00

It was big news and it was like,

9:02

well, can't believe doing

9:04

it,

9:04

etcetera, etcetera. but

9:07

as much as that was, let's

9:10

say, a bit of a shock move and, of

9:12

course, like, tough for me

9:14

to as well, like, deliver the news. the

9:17

relationship remained

9:19

very good considering obviously

9:21

the circumstance and look

9:24

like everything like over time,

9:26

you go through experience, you

9:28

mature, you grow, and it

9:30

wasn't even discussed terms of, like, there was

9:32

no carryover of but remember what

9:34

happened, like, you owe us

9:36

this or we're gonna it was it wasn't

9:38

even talked about. It was just this is where we

9:40

are today. and we would like

9:42

to bring you back in the family. Is

9:45

a race seat in the offing in twenty twenty

9:47

four? It's not in terms of

9:49

it's not their written, it's not

9:51

like okay, if you're doing really well on the SIEM,

9:53

we're gonna promote you to a race seat. So it's

9:55

it's not. But of course,

9:57

like, that's I mean, I think with

9:59

time, that will

9:59

though I'll

10:00

find my true answer. You know, if if

10:03

the grid is what I want again in twenty

10:05

four, I think right now sitting

10:07

here, like, I don't feel

10:09

completely done. So I'm like, I think

10:11

I'll wanna get back on the grid, but

10:13

time will tell and it's

10:15

ultimately I mean, it again, it's I'm not

10:17

gonna say, yeah, I can have every

10:19

seat I want, but ultimately, it's like

10:21

my decision if want to be back

10:23

in in that fire and everything I expect

10:25

to feel when the the lights

10:27

go out. And I'm watching on the

10:29

sidelines, Yeah. That's that's up to

10:31

me to answer. Have have you at

10:33

any point in the last four

10:35

years thought looked

10:37

over your shoulder

10:39

seen that, you know, Max is one of thirty

10:41

races since you left that team.

10:44

I didn't even know. I mean, I knew

10:46

I knew I was born. half

10:48

of them this year. I mean,

10:50

have you looked over your shoulder at

10:52

all and just gone, how

10:54

different things could have been? I

10:56

I

10:56

don't look

10:58

at it like that because

11:01

nothing is sure in terms of

11:03

you know, if I okay. If I stayed there the last

11:05

four years, could

11:08

I

11:08

say I would have had more podiums than

11:10

I've had? because I would've had

11:12

maybe three or something. Yeah.

11:14

Like I'm confident to say, yeah, I would've

11:16

had more podiums than I've had. But

11:19

you just don't know if, obviously,

11:21

at the time, I felt like it was right for me.

11:23

And I I felt like I needed to change and I needed

11:25

to kind of just remove myself a

11:27

bit. So if I

11:29

continued, would would that urge have

11:31

grown? Would I have become, let's

11:34

say, more curious or

11:36

less happy or whatever. So it's

11:38

not a

11:39

sure thing that it would have been great if I stayed

11:41

because obviously I I

11:43

made the the move at the time because I felt

11:45

like it was right for me. So I

11:48

don't look back and say, man, I

11:50

shouldn't have. But of course, I

11:52

can, you know, be honest with myself and say,

11:54

yeah, look, I took a

11:56

little bit of a gamble on

11:58

myself. I

11:58

still feel like the Renault

12:00

one was was pretty good in terms

12:02

of especially twenty twenty. Like, I was one of

12:04

the best seasons I drove in f one.

12:06

and get the team back on the podium, I was very proud

12:08

of that. But obviously,

12:11

the McLaren one, even with the

12:13

win, like, the win was a high and I can't remove

12:15

that. Like, that was I can't ignore

12:17

that. But yeah, I could, you know, I can look

12:19

and say, alright, yeah, I

12:21

tried as well with this one.

12:23

yeah, didn't quite work out. So you live and

12:25

you learn, but I don't look back with

12:28

regret. I just say, okay, there was a challenge

12:30

I took on and and it didn't

12:32

didn't work out. How how I hoped?

12:35

Can

12:35

we go into more detail about what's happened at

12:37

McLaren? Can

12:38

you explain in layman's

12:40

terms what you weren't getting from

12:42

this year's car in particular that you need

12:44

as a racing driver. I

12:46

think it was even though the rules changed so

12:48

much, it was ultimately, I,

12:50

you know, struggled for,

12:52

let's say, my level of ability, at

12:54

least in my eyes, I struggled in both years.

12:58

And Ultimately, it's something fundamental

13:00

with the car and myself

13:02

that I don't get. It's

13:04

a thing of feel. It's feedback. It's

13:06

like queuing. What do you mean?

13:08

queuing? Oh, wait. Maybe that's a symptom. Oh,

13:11

okay. Wait. What part of the corner? I

13:13

just used to what? I don't even know what it means.

13:15

queuing. Are we talking about that in the queue?

13:17

basically the way you feel the car? And is

13:19

it doing what you expect? Is it rotating the

13:21

way you expect? Or is

13:24

it corner entry? it

13:26

all starts there. You know what I mean?

13:28

because, you know, if you

13:30

struggle with a corner on the exit, normally

13:33

it's it's a product of

13:35

what's happened through the corner that's put you in

13:37

a position of, let's say, difficulty on

13:39

the exit. So most

13:41

difficulties start on the entry,

13:43

maybe not all, but most. But it's

13:45

it's it's not even like I

13:47

mean, it it is kind of an entry thing, but

13:49

it's more just like a

13:51

feel and a limitation. And then you

13:53

I think the problem is

13:55

I also

13:56

looked back at my

13:57

very first race with McLaren. I outqualified

13:59

Lando in Bahrain, I remember. and

14:02

that was when I was still fairly

14:04

green with the car, if you know what I mean.

14:06

So I kind of wonder, I'm

14:08

like, did we just kind of get lost

14:10

along the way and it was kind of

14:12

like, did I then start to

14:14

try too hard? And did we try to engineer it too

14:16

hard and and get away from, let's say,

14:18

my strengths and then try to draw drive the car certain

14:21

way, which, yeah, maybe a a

14:23

weakness for me. It's something

14:25

that I couldn't really grasp. So

14:27

I don't know. It's a it's

14:29

an interesting one, but I think ultimately,

14:31

like, I I then will just accept that

14:34

at least from my side, like, I think on both ends,

14:36

we struggled in terms of

14:38

also the team trying to

14:40

understand what it was and how to then update

14:42

it or improve it. But from my

14:44

side, I'm also like, okay, look, I'm

14:46

not

14:46

perfect. Sure. I've

14:47

got some weaknesses. This car happens

14:49

to expose a few of them. It's

14:51

a place for me to work on, but

14:54

let's say, I still obviously didn't find a way to

14:57

gel at one with this car, often enough.

15:00

How

15:00

different are the engineering approaches at

15:02

McLaren and Red Bull in particular?

15:04

I think

15:04

from a from an effort, it's

15:07

the same or I mean, I feel

15:09

like we would stay longer at the track at

15:11

McLaren. and maybe because, yeah, we're trying to find

15:13

a few more tents than a Red Bull,

15:15

especially the last year or two. But there's

15:17

a lot of attention to detail

15:20

and it's we we

15:22

didn't not get it right because we were

15:24

all just leaving early and being

15:26

lazy like it was it was probably the

15:28

opposite where sometimes we probably put too much

15:30

thought into it and too much effort. And then it

15:32

was like, yeah, sometimes you

15:34

gotta get back to basics, you know. But

15:36

I think we acknowledge that

15:38

through the season last year, over the summer break

15:40

actually, and that's where I my

15:43

voice

15:43

is kind of weird right now. I don't know why.

15:46

There you go. It's long season. Yeah. I have not been partying

15:48

for the rest of the week. Really? last

15:50

night. After Abu Dhabi as well, I went to bed, I

15:52

didn't go out. But But,

15:54

yeah, after the summer break last year, we

15:56

kind of tried to just strip it back and be

15:58

like, okay, maybe

15:59

there's too much information where we're trying

16:02

to just we're overcomplicating it

16:04

where I'm driving consciously

16:06

as opposed to subconsciously and I'm

16:08

thinking through the corner where I should just be

16:11

doing So we did acknowledge that, and I think we

16:13

did make progress, especially second half of

16:15

last year. Look, if I I guess,

16:17

ultimately, if I knew what

16:19

we, let's say, didn't get right,

16:21

as as a unit than I guess we would have

16:23

found a way. So, yeah,

16:26

I can't be critical of the

16:28

way we tried to attack it. and we

16:30

put in hours and hours and and

16:32

really

16:32

did try to

16:33

solve the puzzle. But I guess on

16:36

both sides, we can ultimately

16:38

now just put our hand up and say, look, we we

16:40

tried and and didn't quite succeed. And even

16:42

with this car, you know, the fact that

16:44

you had COVID during the Bahrain

16:46

test? Did you feel that you were then playing

16:48

catch up for those

16:49

early races? And then it

16:52

almost spot starts to spiral, isn't it

16:54

even at that point? It's

16:56

funny because in F1 in Bahrain,

16:58

like first race, I felt affected

17:01

by not doing the testing. But

17:03

then the early

17:04

part of the season, I was actually probably

17:07

more competitive than I was

17:09

pardon me. In the in the later parts of

17:11

the year. Oh, great great weekend in

17:13

in Melbourne. Yeah. So in Melbourne, I

17:15

feel like I had good pace even

17:17

even Saudi. I remember quality was really close

17:19

and I mean, I actually remember

17:21

there was a I had like a

17:23

small issue as well in qualifying where

17:25

I felt like I probably

17:27

could have found that extra

17:29

tent I needed. So I say,

17:32

I, it was there on the

17:34

table, but we had a small

17:36

issue. So let's I was

17:38

competitive in the first few, Bar

17:41

Barain, Em paced paced as well,

17:43

but

17:43

So I I wouldn't say oh,

17:45

I would say it only affected me for for Bahrain. Then

17:47

I was pretty

17:48

comfortable, but then we brought updates

17:50

around, I think Barcelona,

17:53

And it was then where I then started

17:55

to struggle a bit more. And I don't know if that was

17:57

in coincidence, but then

17:59

the gap started to increase again

18:02

where up

18:03

until then, I felt like I was always, okay, within a

18:05

tenth or two of Lando, and we were kind of going

18:07

a bit more Nippantucket, and then that's

18:09

where it started to separate again. And

18:12

the same issues as last year with the

18:14

old regulations? Yeah. There's still

18:17

like, the cars certainly behaved a bit

18:19

different, but I would

18:21

say, like, the DNA of the

18:23

car is still the same and where I

18:25

would struggle, it was ultimately

18:27

like the same thing. But like,

18:29

I could honestly just strip it all back and just

18:31

say, yeah, it's just it's just confidence because I

18:33

I like that extra bit of feel with the car

18:35

to put it on the very limit and to know

18:37

what I'm gonna get. So there was

18:39

very few laps this year. Unfortunately, where

18:41

I crossed the line inequality or something, and

18:43

I was like, that was a

18:44

good lap. But it's an extraordinary thing, isn't

18:47

it? Because let's go back to your time with Max

18:49

for Stepan. The

18:50

average qualifying gap between the two of

18:52

you was a tenth, I think,

18:54

one tenth. So it's

18:57

not, you history proofs that

18:59

you can do

19:00

this at the very highest level.

19:02

So it's it's been one of the

19:04

great puzzles of the last two years,

19:07

isn't it? Yeah. It really hasn't. I

19:09

think as well going, like going

19:11

back to Red Bull. I think there

19:13

is, of course, there's an element of me, which

19:15

is curious. in terms of

19:17

just jumping on the SIEM and just

19:19

seeing how I do

19:21

even just for myself like

19:23

to let's say, a car that, of course, it's

19:25

changed in the last four years, but a

19:27

car that obviously I knew well had a

19:29

lot of success with if

19:31

if it just kind

19:32

of brings it all back and I'm like, oh, yeah, this

19:34

this gels. This is me. And

19:36

you're saying it's hell from the symbol.

19:39

I'll be able to get an idea. Like, it's I

19:41

think I'll know

19:42

Yeah. I'll I'll I

19:44

mean, it'll obviously if I'm there

19:47

on lap times on the SIEM. I think that would give

19:49

me the confidence that then I could obviously

19:51

replicate it on track. But if

19:53

I'm half a second off on the

19:55

SIEM, then maybe maybe

19:57

I've got old. The

19:59

confidence

19:59

is is a

20:01

is an intriguing thing with

20:04

racing drivers Ferrari used to give Michael Schumacher a days

20:06

testing at the start of every season because

20:08

he just said, I just need to go

20:10

around Ferriano and just prove to

20:12

myself that I can still do this. It's

20:14

it's you're all the same. Yeah.

20:16

It's funny. I had that for many

20:19

years. I would say after a few years in f one, then it kind

20:21

of it it didn't

20:23

happen anymore, but all through,

20:25

like, my junior categories in the early

20:27

years of f one. after

20:29

a summer break or a winter break

20:31

in Europe because we

20:34

wouldn't be in a race car for, yeah, three

20:36

months. I would always

20:38

have that a bit like you said with shoemaker, I would have a little bit

20:40

of an apprehensive feel,

20:42

if that makes sense

20:45

of, okay, can

20:47

I still do it? Or

20:49

I was kind of worried that, like, is the speed

20:51

gonna feel too fast? Like, am I gonna

20:53

am I gonna have fear? Or

20:55

am I gonna be scared? Or like, it's just It's small

20:57

something you put in your head because you just haven't done

20:59

it for so long. It's like But

21:02

then, yeah, you do a few laps and

21:04

you're like, Okay. No. I I still I still got

21:06

this. Are you quite intrigued to maybe try and

21:08

jump in the twenty twenty one Red Bull

21:10

and just do some laps in that?

21:12

I think if if I the opportunity, yes,

21:15

yeah, to fill the car, of

21:17

course, but more more just to

21:20

stay a little bit sharp. And, you know, I

21:22

I don't get I'm not a driver that's

21:24

putting my hand up for testing all

21:26

the time, like I testing

21:28

doesn't excite me that much,

21:30

being transparent with you. But yeah,

21:32

I know that it would do good for me and

21:34

especially if I'm not you know,

21:36

racing in in twenty twenty three. Of

21:39

course, even if I train every day, which

21:41

I won't, but even if I

21:43

do. you know, you're not driving an F1 car, so your body

21:45

won't you don't go through the G forces, you don't

21:47

so even just to kind of keep my body a

21:49

little bit in tune. you

21:53

know, I'd say yes to some testing

21:55

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21:57

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23:30

Okay,

23:33

Daniel. That's the Czech flag.

23:36

not the race we wanted, to be honest. I know it's

23:38

been up. Pretty thankful of late, but

23:40

we'll keep at it.

23:41

Thanks, guys.

23:44

Yeah. Don't worry, Tanya. We're still pushing. We're

23:46

still on a little cup. Tanya,

23:50

how

23:51

hard did things get? This

23:53

year, did you think in the summer

23:55

break of just doing a Juan

23:57

Pablo Montoya and stopping mid season as he

23:59

did in two thousand and six? or Nikki Lauter

24:01

in nineteen seventy nine when he just

24:04

the Montreal Grand Prix pulled into

24:06

the Brevin pits and said, Bernie, I've had

24:09

enough. that's pretty hectic.

24:12

I commend them

24:14

for that. But

24:17

but no, I didn't And

24:19

of course, you know, III

24:22

knew the reality that, you know, it's not

24:24

like my season was gonna turn

24:26

around. because I felt like

24:28

it would have done so already. So I knew that

24:30

there was probably some struggles ahead,

24:33

but I also believed that there would be

24:35

some good races ahead ultimately. So

24:37

that was that was enough to keep me keep me in

24:39

it and in a

24:41

way like I felt like it would have been the easy way

24:43

out where it's not me, it's

24:45

not my character like I still

24:47

wanted to show up and try

24:49

to pull off some some good

24:51

results and to, yeah,

24:53

to kind of I know it's

24:55

it's like it's for myself because I wanna

24:57

like dig deep and find like my

24:59

true character, but I also appreciate

25:02

that there's people who can draw some inspiration from

25:04

that as well. So I feel

25:07

like that's a consequence of what I

25:09

choose to do, but So

25:11

I I did wanna do it obviously for myself,

25:13

but I knew also there could be

25:15

a a kind of positive Well,

25:18

so Singapore. Right? Yeah. But

25:21

also, you then get a result like Singapore and

25:23

it all seems worthwhile.

25:25

Right? Yeah. And that that's that's a thing

25:27

with this sport. Like, it it creates it

25:29

can create such short term memory

25:31

where you could struggle like kill for fifteen races

25:33

and then you have a big race and you're like, oh,

25:35

that was worth it. Can you explain

25:37

to people listening to this just how all

25:40

consuming Formula One is? for

25:42

a racing driver and how

25:44

the highs affect everything that you

25:46

do and equally how the lows affect everything

25:48

that you do. I think when you put everything

25:50

into it and you're anything,

25:53

you know, when you're so passionate about

25:55

something, obviously, you invest so much time

25:58

and energy And it's

25:59

also

25:59

like mental energy, you know, like even when

26:02

you're not doing it, you're thinking about

26:04

it. And whether you're going to bed at night or you're

26:06

waking up in the morning and it's it's there. So

26:08

it's always Even if you don't

26:10

like to admit it, it's always consuming you

26:12

to some degree. More

26:14

so when it's not going well.

26:16

Yeah. Yeah.

26:17

Because like,

26:18

winning's easy in terms

26:19

of no. I I say

26:21

that in terms of, like, everything

26:24

around you is it's it's it's all roses,

26:26

you know, like everyone's patting you on the

26:28

back, everyone's on a high, like

26:30

from that point of view, it's easy. because

26:32

your emotions are just they're

26:34

there. They're happy. You're smiling. You're successful.

26:36

F1 your confidence is

26:39

beaming. So from that point of view

26:41

winning is easy, where there's not really

26:43

many obstacles to deal with.

26:45

Did you think Max for Stappen has

26:47

had, of all, the twenty drivers, one of the

26:49

easiest I don't

26:51

want to complicate it

26:53

as

26:53

it's easy to win,

26:57

but the the

26:57

effect of winning is easy or

27:00

what winning does to you is easy in

27:02

terms of Yeah. Like, again,

27:04

you win a race you go back home, everyone's sweet,

27:06

you know, you you go buy dinner for everyone

27:08

and it's just like life's life's easy,

27:10

life's normal, it's fun, it's whatever. But when you're

27:12

going through the lows and that It's

27:15

like,

27:15

oh, and then you know that there's

27:18

then this

27:18

starts to become not

27:21

hesitations. questions being asked, and it's doubts,

27:23

and, you know, even it's from people around you,

27:25

whether it's the team, like, it's like, so then that's

27:27

kind of consuming. Okay? What do they

27:29

thinking like I really need a good race to prove them that I

27:32

can do it. And so it's just it's

27:34

just a lot more wearing. And that's even if

27:36

you don't read media or whatever, but it's you

27:38

know there's just a kind of a weight

27:40

that's kind of in the air? Do you read

27:42

what's written and and listen to what's

27:44

said? So I don't,

27:47

but inevitably, you get showing

27:49

stuff, you know, because even even with a

27:51

team, whatever team you're

27:53

with, you know, Thursday's media

27:55

day. So they're going to give you

27:57

the latest news, okay, if you haven't

27:59

seen this

27:59

article was written, so be prepared for

28:02

questions on that. So Even

28:04

if I don't choose to read it, I'm gonna see it at

28:06

some point. And I might not see all a hundred

28:08

articles, but I'll see ten of

28:10

them. So you can't avoid

28:12

that.

28:12

So from Max, I don't think

28:14

he's had an easy season in

28:17

terms of to still show up every weekend. And it's what

28:19

I would use to say also about Lewis,

28:21

you know, like, his dominance. You

28:23

can't mistake that it's easy. Like,

28:25

yes. Okay. He's definitely

28:28

doing it easier than others. But

28:30

then when

28:31

there's the expectation of the

28:33

world that, okay, you have to win this weekend. Like,

28:35

if Max doesn't win this year, it's like, oh, yeah, that

28:37

wasn't a good race for Max. So there's

28:39

that as well, which week in,

28:41

week out, it's if it

28:43

was easy, we'd all be doing it. So let's just leave

28:45

it with that. And

28:48

one and one of the few races that Max didn't

28:50

win Brazil. Everyone jumped on it, didn't they

28:52

with the whole sixth place thing with Czech -- Yeah.

28:54

-- goodness knows. But Yeah. And that's a

28:56

thing like you a way you

28:58

can't win because it's like everyone

29:00

just sets the

29:01

bar so high. But I'm

29:04

not

29:04

sit here and moan

29:06

about that because I know that that comes

29:08

with the territory. And when you

29:10

put yourself out there on the

29:14

world scale and

29:16

try

29:17

to ultimately be better than every other

29:20

single individual. around

29:21

the world, then you've got to

29:22

expect some of that. So obviously, I

29:25

wish it wasn't there, but we're not

29:27

we're not naive. Sure. Hey, Daniel, just

29:29

talking to you now. can see

29:31

that the analysis is still going on in

29:33

your head. I feel that there's

29:35

a hunger still. I didn't know talking

29:38

five days after the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, and I

29:40

didn't I was quite intrigued to see what kind

29:42

of Daniel I'd find. As

29:43

you said, you were relieved and

29:46

content but I still feel that

29:48

there's a little fire in

29:49

there. How how

29:51

determined are you to come back in twenty

29:53

four? there

29:54

is certainly still a fire and that's why

29:56

I haven't chose to completely

29:58

walk away because I want

30:01

to see what happens to

30:03

this file. If it stays relatively

30:06

dormant, is is that the right

30:08

word? Or if it

30:10

comes and and comes

30:12

back in in a big way. Serious

30:14

case of FOMO when everyone's lining up

30:16

on the grid environment. Yeah.

30:18

And And I think that's why in Abu

30:20

Dhabi, sure I felt a little

30:22

more emotion, but I'd be lying if I

30:24

said, yeah, I felt like seaborne that weekend because

30:27

I don't truly believe it's

30:29

my last race, but

30:31

of course there was an element where I'm

30:33

like maybe it is So let's

30:35

try and enjoy it and soak everything

30:38

in. So today I can't tell you

30:40

if it wasn't or wasn't. And that's

30:42

why I've obviously chosen to

30:44

take time off next year to to really

30:46

find that answer and and not make an emotional

30:48

decision or a quick decision or

30:50

because, of course, there were times, you know, over the

30:52

last little bit where I was like, yeah, I think

30:54

I'm done. But

30:57

that's just speaking out of emotions. So I won't I

31:00

won't know till the clock keeps ticking and

31:02

and then I'll see. I guess it

31:04

it depends what offers come through the door.

31:06

Doesn't it? You know? Yeah. I'm going to

31:08

Steiner said he was very keen for you to join

31:10

Haas, and and you thought otherwise, yeah,

31:12

if total Wolf comes knocking or

31:14

Christian Horner comes knocking, or don't

31:16

know. Do you remember those there was that time when you

31:18

were being linked to Ferrari as well? I can't remember what

31:20

year that was. Yeah. You know? There was a

31:22

couple times where that was linked, but

31:25

I think going back to a

31:27

seat

31:27

next year, you know, as

31:29

as Gunther said he reached

31:31

out and stuff, the more as

31:33

I said, since the summer break, the more days

31:36

that passed, and especially like

31:38

I did the triple header to get back into

31:40

the the the second

31:42

half of the season, so three races on the

31:44

bounce. And it became more and

31:46

more clear that it wasn't about what

31:48

phone call I was receiving.

31:50

It was about

31:52

me me acknowledging

31:54

that I just ultimately

31:55

don't wanna be competing next

31:58

year.

31:58

So in a way,

31:59

I am

31:59

glad that, let's say, a

32:02

top

32:02

team didn't reach out because

32:05

it's one of those ones where

32:06

you you probably feel like, oh, I gotta sign

32:09

up. But Yeah. I think

32:09

deep down like I was just craving a bit of a

32:11

bit of distance burnout. Can we

32:14

call it that? Yeah. You could call it some

32:16

burnout. And And I'm like, I'm

32:18

not afraid to admit that or say

32:20

that. And it's it's one of those ones

32:22

that, you know, everyone will have an

32:24

opinion and and this and that, but it's

32:26

ultimately like I know what

32:28

I

32:28

feel, I know what I want. So

32:30

yeah, it was it was some of that. And

32:32

the I feel

32:35

very I

32:37

don't wanna say I'm the only driver that

32:39

feels this way, but I wouldn't

32:41

say I'm the normal even

32:43

just say like sportsman where

32:45

I kinda use, like, practice

32:47

makes perfect. Like, the more I

32:49

do sometimes, the more I'm just like,

32:52

getting kind of lost in it where

32:54

I kind of feel like the power of a

32:56

break for me some time off, I

32:58

could come back back better.

33:00

all which

33:01

sounds kind of counterintuitive to some, but I

33:03

know for me that could actually be

33:06

really good. And I think back to some

33:08

of your certainly, your qualifying

33:10

performances where Sometimes they came out of the

33:12

blue.

33:13

Excellent statement. Is it poll

33:15

today? No. He misses

33:17

out, and he's been denied by

33:19

his teammates Daniel Ricciardo.

33:21

need finished the pig. Nice

33:23

job, man. Good luck. Whoa.

33:30

I gotta I gotta relax a little

33:32

trip in major nuts sack

33:34

right now.

33:36

Mexico. In twenty eighteen? Yeah.

33:38

You just bang that one in right at the end. It was

33:40

well, you know. No one was really

33:43

sweet. But isn't it?

33:45

So it's like practice makes perfect. No. That

33:47

came out of Yeah. And that so

33:49

going back to that so I'm not

33:51

gonna talk about the actual poll itself in

33:54

terms of, yeah, was the lap of my life

33:56

or anything, but it was I

33:58

was

33:58

at a level where I knew

34:00

the car so well. I

34:02

had

34:02

so much confidence and understanding

34:04

in the car that because I think the

34:06

first run-in Q3I was maybe three tenths off max

34:08

who was on provisional poll. And

34:11

it wasn't even man,

34:13

I need to find three or four tenths

34:15

to try and have a chance at Paul.

34:17

It wasn't it wasn't that thought. It was

34:19

like, oh yeah, I know where that

34:21

time I know I can find it. I know what this

34:23

car can do. I just haven't put that lap together.

34:26

So that lap itself

34:28

was literally

34:30

just me kinda connecting the dots and just putting it

34:32

together. It wasn't like

34:34

driving out of my skin. It wasn't this

34:36

miracle up. It

34:38

was just yeah, I know I can

34:40

break

34:40

three meters later in that corner. I know I can

34:42

pick up the throttle a little bit earlier. And that's just

34:44

what

34:44

I did, so I just executed

34:46

what I knew was possible. Do you believe in form? because

34:48

that strikes me as a man who's completely at the

34:51

top of his form. guess,

34:54

but

34:54

I think form is just another word

34:57

for well, I don't know. I'm not

34:59

gonna

34:59

try and make up another word

35:01

for it. But But yeah, I mean, I look back and ultimately, like, what

35:03

I've tried to just describe was just, you know, I

35:06

was I was at one with the car, I knew what I'd

35:08

get, and I think then

35:10

you you

35:10

venue you comfort comes

35:12

from that and those feelings.

35:14

And then

35:15

ultimately, yeah, form can come,

35:17

but yeah, forms

35:18

more like a result.

35:20

Okay.

35:21

I don't word when you're performing at

35:23

a really high

35:24

level, everything seems so logical. Yeah.

35:26

And and in a way, like,

35:29

a bit effortless. Yeah. Yeah. So that

35:31

can agree And, yeah, just when you're on, it's

35:34

like, you don't miss. Well, it's just like that. And then

35:36

that will happen. Yeah. What are we worried

35:38

about? Yeah.

35:40

And okay. So what are you doing? Even the way you just

35:42

described it, it was effortless. It

35:44

was completely subconscious. You did

35:47

not even think about that.

35:49

And I think that's also what form is. And

35:51

that's kind of stripping it back to

35:53

where sometimes you just overanalyze.

35:55

And it's like, just go back to basics.

35:57

Just drive it. Just you know how drive it fast. Just do it. Did you

35:59

think that's all close to Mexico

36:02

twenty eighteen

36:04

at McLaren?

36:05

mclaren Just in terms of

36:06

Also, like, also last year. Yeah. There

36:08

was a few definitely a few times

36:10

last year where I felt I

36:12

felt

36:13

like I am. Like, the

36:14

car's doing what I want, and I feel

36:17

I feel pretty good with it. Yeah.

36:19

There was a

36:22

few times But I think the

36:24

problem was as well is, you

36:26

know, maybe I'll have one good weekend.

36:28

And then I was like, oh, sweet. Like, it all

36:30

makes sense now. We've

36:32

got this. and you

36:32

go the next weekend and all of a sudden you're lost

36:34

again or just it's

36:35

not doing what it did last week and then now you're

36:38

trying to, like, adapt

36:40

or set up the car differently, and it was just

36:42

that was where there was no

36:46

real consistency just unfortunately,

36:48

like, when we took one step forward, it didn't mean

36:50

that the following weekend, we were gonna take another

36:52

one. It was which is

36:54

again something I still can't fully explain.

36:56

fully explain Talking

36:58

of the big teams coming knocking,

37:00

I know people listening want to know

37:03

how close did you get to hooking up

37:05

with Mercedes? For next year?

37:07

Well, you can was there a time in the past

37:09

as well? I was

37:12

like, No. I mean, going back to the past, like, obviously

37:14

twenty eighteen, you know, I spoke

37:16

to a few teams.

37:18

And, yeah, Mercedes was

37:20

one. But I

37:22

don't think that's a surprise or a secret. It was again,

37:24

I'm not saying that, yeah, there was a contract on the table

37:26

and I it it was more just Yeah.

37:29

It was just to try and figure out what their plans were as

37:32

well. But would you have liked to have

37:34

been up against Lewis in the

37:36

same car? Yeah. Like, III always had a bit of a

37:38

I've done I've done Max. I'll do Lewis now.

37:40

Right? Yeah. Like it was because I also

37:42

I mean, as as a as a

37:46

competitor, and going back to the reason why I do this is I wanna see

37:48

if I'm the best. And obviously,

37:50

Lewis was so successful for so many years,

37:52

so I F1 just the thought of going

37:54

against him. And

37:56

it wasn't even like, yeah, like, I know I can beat him so put me against

37:58

him. It was just, I'm curious. I

38:00

wanna know. I also wanted to know

38:02

what makes him so good. So, like,

38:04

obviously, when you work in a team together, you you see more than you do

38:07

if you don't work in the same environment. So

38:09

even from that point of view,

38:12

But yeah, to test myself, it would have been fun. But then

38:14

for yeah. So for next year, for, like,

38:16

let's say, reserve talks and that

38:19

I did I did speak to Mercedes as well.

38:21

So, yeah, that was it was it was really

38:23

Mercedes and Red Bull with the the two that

38:25

I was, you know, most serious about.

38:27

how close get with Mercedes or or did Lewis's

38:30

comments in Monza where he said no Daniel's too good

38:32

to be in a number

38:34

three driver. I don't know,

38:36

actually. I don't know. Did he say

38:38

exactly that? But but

38:40

no, it was look, there were some conversations

38:42

for sure. It wasn't it wasn't

38:44

to a point where, yeah, again, like, here's a contract. It's up to

38:46

if you wanna sign it. It didn't get that far. But

38:48

then, yeah, like, once I once I had

38:50

the initial chat to the Red Bull,

38:53

it became

38:53

more clear to me

38:56

that I probably didn't know it a

38:58

few months ago, but

39:00

then

39:00

when we really started to, let's say, engage a little

39:03

further. That's when I was like, oh, it was kind

39:05

of like a light

39:05

bulb where I was like, there's only

39:07

like, this is this is the only

39:09

place for me. Like, it's it's perfect. What's been the reaction of Max and Checko

39:11

to you coming back? It's been nice.

39:14

Actually, it's been nice.

39:16

I I had a little word

39:18

to both of them in Abu Dhabi. I think

39:20

when they started to yeah.

39:22

Obviously, whether they heard internally from the

39:24

team or they caught a bit of wind that it

39:26

was starting to get close. I think

39:29

they're excited and I'm removing any

39:33

I mean, not not that it's I don't even have to say

39:35

like a movie an ego or anything, but I'm just I

39:37

literally I'm just honestly grateful

39:39

to be back. in in that environment to have an opportunity just

39:41

to to work with them again and to try

39:44

and help really. I mean, people

39:46

will be like, but they don't need help

39:48

because they're dominating at the moment. But yeah. I

39:50

mean, they're a target now. You know? They've

39:52

got the big target on their backs.

39:54

So if I can help them then I'll feel like

39:56

I've made a contribution. Do you sense that

39:58

that ten percent reduction in wind tunnel

39:59

time is is gonna hurt? What's what's the mood

40:02

in the Camper Red Bull? Like,

40:04

it's

40:04

You can't you can't deny that it

40:06

doesn't hurt because, you know, when you

40:08

talk in f F1, every bit counts

40:10

you know, it's like everyone's chasing that last,

40:12

not even an inch, it's that last, whatever,

40:15

mic are in. So, yeah,

40:17

ten percent is is

40:19

is a is a serious number, but they're

40:22

obviously in a good position where they've

40:24

got a very good car. So

40:26

you'd think

40:28

they've learned enough from this car to then still have a competitive

40:30

car next year. But

40:32

that ten percent is, you know, even if

40:34

they're winning next year, they they would say, well, we could

40:36

be ten percent better or whatever. So it's

40:39

not nothing. It's definitely

40:41

not nothing, but I know there's

40:43

a lot of people in the team that were there back in

40:45

my day and

40:46

knowing what they're like that'll just

40:48

motivate them even more. So

40:52

that That's They are for I mean, all of the top all

40:54

every team is, but particularly the top

40:56

team's ferocious competitors, aren't

40:59

they? Yeah. And that's like

41:01

I love that. I mean, you just look at the way

41:04

Christian dealt with with the

41:06

Costco,

41:06

breaching the Costco

41:07

and, you know, he

41:10

came out On the attack on attack. That his his of

41:12

defense, his attack, isn't it?

41:14

Yeah. And, you know, even

41:16

like as a fan of

41:18

the sport, watching Mercedes

41:20

and Red Bull go out at last year

41:22

and and Max and Lewis and that

41:24

it was it's awesome. Like

41:26

it's it's just It just highlights

41:28

how much it means to

41:30

everyone that puts the effort in and

41:32

it's like that's what you want. You know,

41:35

you want this just intense heavy

41:37

competition. So as you say, it's it's

41:39

the heavyweights, you know, and that's that's what

41:41

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42:05

What's a Belgian

42:08

grand prix? This has been Mercedes

42:10

lot down the front road to

42:13

any though, is gonna take the checkered

42:16

flag. It's Repples fiftieth when

42:18

in Formula one.

42:20

It's Ricardo's third win

42:22

in six races. He wins the Belgium Grand Prix.

42:25

Deere, how

42:27

do you think

42:28

the

42:30

twenty fourteen spec Daniel Ricardo would have dealt with

42:32

this season in particular. because I

42:35

think I I

42:35

think back to that

42:38

season and I can't think

42:40

of any drivers

42:41

on the grid that did a better job

42:43

than you that you. That

42:44

was Peter. Peter Connor. Yeah. I

42:46

I can I can agree with I

42:49

mean, again, it's

42:50

it's all it's all talk because

42:52

I'm not a world champion and I didn't win

42:54

the world title in fourteen, but like I remember

42:56

just

42:56

I had so much confidence that I was just like, F1 I had

42:58

the car to win this year, I I would have won. Like,

43:00

that was just that was just where

43:02

I was at. And it

43:05

wasn't

43:05

even a thing kind of thing and that's where. I wouldn't say that was even form.

43:07

It was just confidence and it

43:09

was just like yeah,

43:12

you obviously I stepped up to the the big team and now I'm

43:15

playing in the big league, but I

43:16

was just I just loved it.

43:18

Like I just thrived off that and

43:22

I guess you go one way or another, you know, you either get

43:24

overwhelmed by that environment and you

43:26

get the the pressures too much,

43:28

you feel intimidated, or you're

43:31

you know, whatever with with being on

43:33

a big stage or you just soak it all in

43:35

and just be like, this is easy. Like, this

43:37

is I I live for this stuff and and that's

43:39

really how I felt because I'm sort of

43:42

meandering my way towards

43:44

a comment that you made about Lando a couple of

43:46

months ago where you said ignorance is bliss.

43:48

You're at that stage of your career. where you

43:50

probably don't do it justice support the poor

43:52

kid. I probably do it. You just get in

43:54

and you do it and you're feeling confident.

43:56

And and have you seen a little bit

43:58

of your self twenty

44:00

fourteen spec in Lando Nordisk.

44:01

Yeah. Definitely

44:02

some elements of it. And,

44:06

you know, I think that's

44:08

ultimately just a young driver coming in and and doing well. You

44:10

know when you're young, it's like you're

44:12

you feel somewhat invincible in

44:14

terms of that that's maybe too dramatic.

44:18

but you can just do

44:19

it, you know, in terms of like, when I say

44:21

you can just do it,

44:22

it's I'm trying to refer to

44:26

a night out. You know, it's like, at this age now,

44:28

it's like, oh, like that hurts. Well, when you're young, you just

44:30

you just go on, you go on, you go. And that's like

44:32

the way I sing about tomorrow. Yeah.

44:35

We're going like that. We're thinking, Hanger, what have I

44:37

gotta do tomorrow? Yeah. So how am I gonna

44:39

feel? And so it's sorry. Sorry. It's I'm not

44:41

I'm not putting myself in the position where

44:43

I'm I'm old. but it's more when you're young,

44:45

you just it's just You got less responsibilities, it's whatever, and you're

44:48

just you're just in, and it's working, and you're

44:50

just going through it, and you're like, oh, yes.

44:52

Sweet. No. do it do it

44:54

again. And so yeah. Like,

44:56

III see I see where he's

44:58

thrived off that and and in

45:00

that in that

45:02

environment. And I think as well as a bit like with me in Veddle, you know, I don't think

45:04

anyone was really expecting me to beat

45:06

Veddle. And I think when I came

45:08

into the last

45:10

nine races twenty thirteen.

45:12

Yeah. So no one was expecting

45:14

me no one was expecting me to be better.

45:16

Let's be clear. Sorry. No

45:18

one. May don't even know if my

45:20

dad expected me to be him, but anyway. My dad, just to

45:22

be clear, I'm not putting myself

45:25

saying I'm better than I was a four time champ, but I think

45:28

coming into McLaren,

45:30

I would assume that there was more people

45:32

saying I'll beat Lando than not. So,

45:35

you know, then when you're kind of the underdog and

45:37

then when you start beating your opponent,

45:39

then it's like everything's

45:40

just even easier so to speak

45:42

in terms of like you just don't have much

45:45

to think about.

45:46

So you've been alongside Bethel.

45:48

You've been alongside Maxime

45:51

Stepan, Maximus. Do

45:52

you put Norris in the same bracket those

45:54

guys? It's tough until I

45:57

think until he's in

45:58

a, let's say, a top team

46:00

in terms of until he's

46:03

regularly running up the front,

46:05

it's

46:05

tough to make a direct comparison

46:07

because and this

46:10

I'm not I'm obviously not trying to,

46:12

like, discredit him, but until you really win and

46:14

then to see how you handle that. That's where like

46:16

I go back to Lewis and it's like, yeah, he was winning

46:18

and whatever. And, yeah, the car was great, but

46:20

he still did it. he still handled

46:22

all the pressure and all that and he still did it and performed and did

46:25

what everyone thought he could do.

46:27

So that's where it's hard to

46:29

draw a complete comparison. But from a, like,

46:31

a driving ability and stuff, yeah, the kids like

46:34

the kids are very good. Where are you? I I

46:36

don't know I don't know if I could say, like, is he a

46:38

Maxa Stappen?

46:40

That's that's a little hard for now. But

46:42

yeah, I'm

46:42

not gonna say he's not good

46:43

because the kid's good. Do you feel

46:46

that McLaren is

46:48

his team now? Do you feel it's been built around him? I

46:51

mean, in

46:52

a short

46:54

answer, yes.

46:56

But that's

46:57

not I don't wanna say, yeah. They just kinda put everything into

46:59

him and not me. But yeah, like he's he's grown

47:01

up in that team. It's

47:04

it's it's familiar to him now and he's obviously proved, you know,

47:06

his pace and his speed and that. So,

47:09

yeah, I think Everyone's,

47:11

obviously, a runner McLaren is is excited

47:14

for Atlanta who can do for

47:16

sure. And if you have any advice

47:18

for Oscar pieastry coming in as

47:20

a rookie Or would

47:21

it be? I think

47:23

just go out

47:25

and drive. Like, I

47:27

know that sounds

47:28

like a really lazy response, but it's

47:30

just on drive. Like,

47:32

yeah, learn, be a but

47:36

drive. Don't set the bar too

47:38

high for yourself

47:40

if you end up doing better than maybe what you thought like awesome,

47:42

but just take it

47:43

race by race. And as

47:44

long as you're learning and you feel you're

47:47

improving every race, then think

47:49

that's all you can kind of ask for yourself. And

47:51

and do you think Andreas Seibel and

47:53

Tom Stallard, your Chief

47:56

Race Engine? Are they gonna be are they the right kind of guys to be nurturing

47:58

a young a young guy like that? I I think

48:00

so, you know, I think

48:02

also with you know,

48:03

even if we didn't quite get it

48:05

right from

48:06

my side, you know,

48:07

with with McLaren, I think they still would

48:10

have learned a bunch from our two

48:12

years and maybe things

48:14

where we deviated or went

48:16

a little wrong or sideways, whatever. So

48:18

I think all that can be that knowledge can be

48:20

passed on to Oscar, and I think they

48:23

will yeah. I would like to think they

48:25

would kind of have a little bit of a head start from that

48:27

point of view. What is

48:30

Daniel Ricciardo do next year?

48:32

When he's

48:34

not doing these Red Bull marketing activities and on the same

48:36

with Red Bull. What's the

48:38

plan? It's gonna party like there's no tomorrow.

48:40

It's it's gonna be a

48:42

full time

48:44

Discogawa. Is it bucket list territory? No. You

48:46

you just might be taking a

48:48

one to the like, because it's

48:51

you know, I don't wanna be one of these people that are like,

48:54

yeah, when I get the time, I'll do it again

48:56

because who knows? Maybe I'm back into this

48:58

whole cycle in twenty

49:00

twenty four. and maybe then I I could be back in f one another five

49:02

years. Who knows? You know, that takes me to

49:04

forty. So I'm

49:06

aware that

49:08

there is definitely some things that I don't want to make an excuse

49:10

for not doing next year. There is

49:12

some things that I just want to say yes

49:16

to and take some boxes because, you know, that

49:18

film, yes, man, Jim

49:19

Carey. Is that gonna

49:21

be you? Maybe for the

49:23

next twelve months You

49:25

know what? This is bad because I'm such a Jim Carrey fan, but

49:27

I can't remember the movie. I I can

49:30

picture the cover of it, but I can't remember

49:32

everything. Yeah. Okay. I mean,

49:34

probably not everything because

49:36

there's a few stills. There's a few things I probably

49:38

don't say yes to.

49:40

But but yeah, I'm I'm trying to hold

49:42

myself accountable for not making an

49:44

excuse of okay, if I've got the

49:46

time and it's something I've always wanted to do, then tick that box and because I

49:48

think it will also give me what I

49:50

wanna get out of next year is is

49:52

that self

49:55

reflection and doing

49:57

some fun little

49:58

trips or whatever it is my

50:01

what I'm sure would just

50:03

give me that. And I wanna do, like,

50:05

some national parks and just Yeah.

50:08

A lot of stuff in, I guess, to do

50:10

with nature, to help you with that self reflection. Yeah. Just get

50:12

this experience alone. Yeah. Yeah.

50:14

And even like I would love to do

50:17

I mean, the sound these things all sound kind of simple, but or

50:20

silly, but like a phone detox, you know, and

50:22

just kind of because we're so reliant on that and we're

50:24

constantly like getting information all the

50:26

time and it's that's also

50:28

consuming. So, like, I would love to just get away

50:30

for a little bit and literally just

50:32

kind of shut off and

50:34

just go back to

50:36

like basics. and on the farm in Australia or I'd love to spend

50:38

time on the farm. I I want to so one thing I

50:40

wanna do is I wanna ride across

50:42

America on

50:44

a like a mini motorbike. What

50:46

route sixty six are we talking about?

50:48

Basically from New York to LA.

50:51

Yeah. That's pretty much the the mother road is

50:54

Yeah. But we wanna like make it make

50:56

it an exciting journey and not not

50:58

kind of go the line of lease resistance.

51:01

Hang on a mini motorbike. Like, you know

51:03

-- Yeah. -- when you were lost on the pod, you

51:05

talked about the one ten. Yeah. The one ten. There you

51:07

go. Exactly. You're gonna confirm me

51:09

your telework. Yeah. That's that's sort of why it's out the whole We

51:11

we might have to, you

51:14

know, as you say, like, boil them out a

51:16

bit. But would you make a bit route sixty now?

51:18

So would you would

51:20

you take Kind of your own. You seem to have We have your

51:22

own path in life. So

51:24

Yeah. I the path is

51:26

still yet to be decided, but

51:30

It's something like I always You know, I

51:32

I remember I was like I've said

51:34

it for so many years when I was young. I

51:37

was like, okay. when I eventually stop racing and get a

51:39

bit of time, I want a road trip, you

51:41

know, around America. And then that's kind

51:43

of

51:43

turned into

51:46

waitlets. because

51:46

I I think a theme as well next year as much as I wanna lot of

51:48

exciting things. I also wanna take

51:50

the chance of having, call it

51:52

a year off to slow down.

51:56

and I think also what like a one hundred and ten going across

51:58

America would symbolize as like slowing down

52:00

and just taking everything in

52:04

And, you know, we're always thinking about getting

52:06

somewhere as quick as we can, getting the job

52:08

done, getting out. And it's like, no. I

52:10

wanna soak everything in and just

52:14

be Yeah. As I said, like, just go back to basics and

52:16

appreciate, like, all the little things

52:18

and, of course, just

52:20

just

52:20

also the the unknown.

52:22

the on known you

52:24

know, like, of course, we'll plan out, like, the trip and the legs and

52:26

that. But, okay, what's that town like?

52:28

Or what are we gonna come across along the way? Like,

52:31

It's just the whole unknown. It's gonna be so

52:33

exciting. And so, yeah, these are

52:36

like little well, that's I said,

52:38

that's quite a big box. something I

52:40

definitely wanna take. And I'm

52:42

sure I will, you know, even it's

52:44

like, I know this sounds deep, but even it's like there'll

52:46

be nights from probably just stay in the stars,

52:48

you know. And I could get emotional. I

52:50

could reflect on my career.

52:52

I could be thinking about who

52:54

knows, but I just I feel like that will

52:56

be very good and

52:58

and quite powerful. Two and a

53:00

half thousand miles on a one

53:02

ten. That's a

53:02

lemon. Wait. No. It

53:03

must be more than that. I think

53:05

Route sixty six is about that.

53:08

Well, I'm talking your to

53:10

LA. Come on. It's

53:12

gonna be a while. Do you think you're gonna

53:14

miss the adrenaline, you know, of of spar,

53:16

of

53:17

of Saudi.

53:18

howdy Monaco.

53:20

monica

53:21

Yes. But I think

53:23

that's also where I will try to find

53:25

it in other avenues because I, yeah,

53:27

of course, like

53:30

I every every freaking f one drive is an adrenaline junkie.

53:32

You know, it's that's that's a fact.

53:34

So I will

53:36

naturally still put myself

53:38

in situations where I'm getting a

53:40

rush. Okay. Will it always match f

53:42

one? Maybe not because

53:44

you all not only you have the speed, but you have the competition on top of

53:46

that. So, you know, I

53:48

could be doing something crazy or

53:50

something fast. but there's

53:52

most likely not gonna be the element of competition.

53:54

So but yeah. I think I'll

53:56

definitely still do things that scratch that edge.

53:58

I don't know exactly what everything will be yet, but that's kind of nice

54:00

as well, like where I sit here now,

54:03

the thought of also

54:06

not knowing some things that I'll do next year or things that I'll come

54:08

across and like that's also exciting. So Can can

54:10

I throw some ideas in? Hit me. Go

54:13

on. Super Bowl. Yes. Yeah. Super Bowls on

54:15

the list. The mighty Buffalo

54:18

Bills. Like, I think I'll

54:20

go there probably regardless.

54:22

But if they make, are you a Rihanna

54:24

French? Is that pretty tough time, isn't

54:26

it? I remember

54:28

the first song that I heard was

54:30

SOS. I definitely I mean, I'm not someone that like

54:32

is listening to her on my

54:34

headphones all the time, but

54:38

Yeah. Is

54:38

she awesome

54:39

and is she a boss,

54:42

a boss lady, whatever they say.

54:44

Yeah. So no, like,

54:46

yes. And to be honest,

54:48

the Super Bowl halftime show is

54:50

like, it's normally so good. Like,

54:52

the spectacle is so amazing

54:54

that it's like the artist

54:55

is the icing on the

54:57

cake. but it's just the whole show is already like

54:59

phenomenal, and she'll kill it. Yeah.

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55:19

What about UFC?

55:22

Yes. because

55:22

he did a bit of training. Was it Charles Olivierra?

55:24

Yeah. Well done, mate. How

55:26

did you go with that? Anyone who

55:28

hasn't seen the UFC? Take

55:30

a look. Have you got the nasty streak to do that? I mean No.

55:33

Wait. Let's be let's be clear. I'm

55:35

a super fan

55:36

Daniel I love

55:38

I love training, but I'd be lying if I

55:40

said, yeah, in my DNA, I'm a fighter.

55:43

Like, yeah, I would I would love

55:45

throw elbows and also receive elbows.

55:48

Like, no, as much as you wanna

55:50

think you're a tough guy. Like, I think you'll

55:52

you either have that or you don't.

55:55

But

55:55

it's also I think

55:57

speaking of adrenaline rush's, I think

55:59

that would be amazing.

56:00

I know there's these, like, charity

56:02

boxing events and stuff. So

56:04

Even for

56:05

that like to actually do a little bit of a fight camp and then to step

56:07

in the ring with someone obviously at

56:09

a similar level to

56:12

me. AKA, very low level. What format? That would be

56:14

quite easy. Yeah. Maybe. Actually, I've seen

56:16

it I've seen him spy a little bit. His

56:19

he's definitely better than me at the moment. So I would have to up

56:21

my game. But but that would be

56:24

that would be because I've always been such a

56:26

fan. I've always wanted to like feel like what's

56:28

it like walking out. what's it like walking

56:30

into the ring and like all that. So -- Yeah. --

56:32

but it's like something mixed. Right?

56:34

Yeah. But like I don't

56:36

know. There is a there is a weird

56:38

curiosity of like, What does it

56:39

feel like? Like, is the adrenaline so high? You

56:42

don't feel the punches to the face? I don't

56:44

know. As a UFC fan. My mom is

56:46

probably gonna be like, no, Daniel. Both of

56:48

this. Just I've just got you

56:50

back from a formal one. Look, as a

56:52

UFC fan, are you a boxing

56:54

fan as well? Yeah. So I I

56:56

think is is it is that sort of rallying

56:58

in formal one? It seems, you know, that the

57:00

two don't seem to mix. No. They're I

57:02

I mean, they're under the umbrella of like combat sports.

57:06

So I

57:06

think there's definitely an appreciation and a

57:08

love for all of them. I I

57:11

do I do prefer martial

57:14

arts more. So what

57:16

what let's say what the UFC

57:18

is. I just love the variety of

57:20

it and where it can go

57:22

and the the match ups

57:24

as well, you know. So

57:26

the the clashing of stars is

57:28

is much bigger. Yeah. Talking of

57:30

match ups. Right? Who on the grid you

57:32

reckon you could you could take down? Oh. Who who would you

57:33

struggle? That's why I was

57:34

let's put it that way. Who would you

57:38

struggled? I was quite sad when Max pushed Ocon and he got, like, you

57:40

were in prison line or whatever. Like, come on. He

57:42

just pushed it. I'm like, if he

57:44

threw if he threw an overhand right,

57:47

Adam might get it. But a little push No. That's the

57:49

p k did it

57:52

in Hockenheim in nineteen eighty two or

57:54

James Hunt did it. I think in true.

57:56

Yeah. There are there is a history of it. But but no. I'm not I'm not

57:58

obviously condoning that. You know what? I

58:01

saw the photograph of the that

58:03

the twenty drivers in Abu Dhabi were going out

58:05

to dinner. Everyone said, oh, the Camaraderie was

58:08

amazing. And Alex Algon said to me, I've never

58:10

laughed so much in my life. And

58:12

it's like, Well, when I first started coming to

58:14

Formula One races in the mid

58:16

nineties, there was genuine

58:18

animosity between the drivers. I was like, I

58:20

can't compute

58:22

what I've just heard Alex describe with what

58:24

I knew a formal one in the mid nineties

58:26

or what when I was told and and

58:29

and Damon Hill second did that actually. He just

58:31

said in his day, when he left formal one, I said

58:33

any chance of the whole group going out to

58:35

dinner to celebrate? He said not

58:38

a chance Most people didn't

58:40

even notice that I'd gone type type

58:42

thing. But is is

58:44

it genuine that camaraderie between you guys now?

58:46

Yeah. Like the so speaking of the dinner, it was I I

58:48

would say it was really refreshing.

58:50

Yes. So many

58:53

of us got on.

58:55

So we all laughed. That's a fact. As a competitor,

58:57

of course, you always have maybe like a little bit of

58:59

a guard up.

59:03

And then

59:03

when we all kind of got around together

59:06

and you could just feel

59:07

like there was just some honesty and

59:09

whatever shared, it was like, okay, like the

59:11

guards slowly got lowered and we

59:13

were just like, you know what? I mean, who we're kidding?

59:15

Like, we all have the same passion in life. So,

59:17

like, for sure, we're gonna get along or we we

59:19

have things in common or at the same

59:22

interests. And So even like

59:24

when we did a dinner in twenty

59:26

sixteen, that was

59:26

the last time we did a big driver

59:28

one. And I don't remember it being

59:30

like it was. last week.

59:32

So I don't know if it's

59:34

when Atlanta wasn't as good. Yeah. Like, the

59:36

the comradery was like, last week

59:38

was special. You know? Like, that wasn't

59:40

in a

59:41

way, it wasn't normal. So I was trying to figure it out.

59:43

Is it is it because now with social

59:45

media and whatever,

59:48

like we'd kind of know more

59:50

about each other. So therefore, we can understand

59:52

each other a bit better or I don't know

59:55

what it is. but I think for me it's just

59:57

maturity where I'm old enough now that

59:59

it's

59:59

I know I don't need to dislike

1:00:02

someone to wanna race hard on track

1:00:04

with them. where,

1:00:06

like, I know in in back in the day, like, I would

1:00:08

be more aggressive to drivers who

1:00:10

I didn't like. And I would kinda

1:00:12

make a point of it. But now it's

1:00:15

like, yeah, I I will race everyone the same because I I

1:00:17

want to bring that intensity

1:00:19

out

1:00:19

of myself, like, unconditionally of

1:00:21

who it is. And that's

1:00:23

for me. It's just more of a maturity

1:00:25

where it's like, yeah, we we can shake hands,

1:00:27

whatever. But, I mean, it's even

1:00:30

like with Seb, you know, he was

1:00:32

me the last ten laps of the of the race in Abu Dhabi. He's last ever race,

1:00:34

but I was more motivated

1:00:36

to beat him than, you know,

1:00:38

than ever. So it's like it's

1:00:41

and and my relationship with Deb is better

1:00:43

than ever. It's it's really it's

1:00:46

amazing at the moment, but it

1:00:47

didn't change my my will to beat him on track.

1:00:50

And that's just kind of a

1:00:52

I would just put it down to a bit of

1:00:54

maturity. I I know there's an

1:00:56

element of what

1:00:59

goes on tour, stays on tour. So I'm not gonna ask for any

1:01:01

secrets from that dinner. Yeah. But there was rumors

1:01:03

going around. Oh, no. There were

1:01:05

no. No. Only about

1:01:08

the cost. I heard a hundred and forty k mention of Of

1:01:10

course. I mean, I saw I

1:01:12

saw a receipt. It was even

1:01:14

a replica of a receipt. but

1:01:17

it was not even we were at a different restaurant. Right. So I saw a

1:01:20

receipt from I

1:01:22

don't know. I think it was Salt Bay or whatever, the

1:01:24

nusarets, and it was that's

1:01:27

not where we ate. So that was

1:01:29

a fake one. So

1:01:30

when I saw one, I was like, okay,

1:01:32

there could be so many fakes out

1:01:34

there. but

1:01:34

I did find myself looking on the internet to see what is

1:01:37

the most expensive meal you can get.

1:01:39

And there is a a taco that you

1:01:41

can get in Cabo on

1:01:44

the West Coast Mexico that five grand. It's

1:01:47

laced with gold. What?

1:01:50

Tobybee? is eating gold

1:01:52

good for you? Like, can we address that?

1:01:54

I know you need you.

1:01:56

I know you need a few minerals,

1:01:58

but gold. I don't know if you need gold. I think it it passes through

1:02:01

you. So what a waste. Right?

1:02:03

But, anyway, the

1:02:05

point is you there is

1:02:08

25k, but it

1:02:10

clearly wasn't anything like as expensive as

1:02:12

that. But are you allowed to say what

1:02:15

you Yeah. So so I don't know

1:02:17

what the bill was because one of the

1:02:19

drivers kindly took it. So I

1:02:21

I would not know what it was.

1:02:23

but I would say we we definitely didn't like

1:02:25

splurge like it was a normal dinner. Of course, it's

1:02:27

gonna be expensive when there's twenty

1:02:29

people attending a dinner. but it

1:02:31

was it was normal food. You know what I

1:02:34

mean? I've got twenty four milo and drivers

1:02:36

here. Gentlemen, let me give you a special Four

1:02:38

milo one menu. Oh my god.

1:02:40

Yeah. So It was it was It

1:02:42

was never gonna be cheap, but it was

1:02:44

it was very I

1:02:46

mean, yeah, the food was just food, if

1:02:48

you will. There was no there was no show, there

1:02:50

was no, like, demonstration. And was

1:02:52

the food almost secondary to the banter.

1:02:55

Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean,

1:02:58

the food was we needed to eat something

1:03:00

so whatever they bring out sweet, but it

1:03:02

was it was more just like

1:03:04

the storytelling. And

1:03:06

it was just nice. Like, it

1:03:08

was a long table, but, you know, a few of

1:03:10

us kind of moved around and tried to,

1:03:12

like, you know, mingle and enter

1:03:15

enter the chat. And yeah, we we

1:03:17

were all just like happy to spend the time

1:03:19

together. It was it was weird. I

1:03:21

mean, I say weird only weird because as I said, we'd

1:03:23

never really had that. But I I will say, like, really,

1:03:25

the catalyst was said, you know, because

1:03:27

it was

1:03:28

his last one and

1:03:30

all of

1:03:30

us respect him. And and we knew that it was gonna be a big weekend

1:03:32

for him and for sure emotional. So,

1:03:34

you know, I don't wanna

1:03:36

say it definitely wasn't F1. how

1:03:39

we were, but I think there was an extra

1:03:41

level of like us being, let's make

1:03:44

this special for so, you know, like, let's let's

1:03:46

make sure we have a good night, let our

1:03:48

head down. because, yeah, it's a nice and nice send off for him. Do

1:03:50

you know why you have to come back in twenty

1:03:52

four, twenty five, whenever it

1:03:54

is? Is

1:03:56

because you need a proper send off from the drivers

1:03:58

in the paddock. I thought I actually

1:04:00

thought about that because I actually

1:04:02

think serious. Thank you. I mean, I'll take it

1:04:04

as a

1:04:06

compliment. It's meant it's meant as a as

1:04:08

the whole farewell to Seb was.

1:04:10

Mick Schumacher was leaving Nicholas to

1:04:12

see if he was leaving your

1:04:15

We don't know. Yeah. And

1:04:17

I felt a little bit

1:04:18

sorry for some of the other guys,

1:04:21

really. It's funny because although

1:04:23

I may seem I mean, I am like an attention seeker. I feel like I

1:04:25

always have been. That's why I got in trouble a

1:04:27

lot at school, but I'm

1:04:30

not of course, I

1:04:32

would appreciate it and that, like, if I was to

1:04:34

come back and get, like, a bit of a send off, like said,

1:04:36

by, of course, it would it would be very nice,

1:04:38

but it's not something that I

1:04:41

feel like I need or, again, if I

1:04:44

never race again, I'm

1:04:47

totally okay with my last weekend in terms of like not

1:04:49

having a big hurrah. So yeah,

1:04:52

like, I

1:04:54

appreciate it. i appreciated for like,

1:04:56

it was a nice thing and and what we did

1:04:58

for certain and everyone did was

1:05:00

beautiful. But I don't I don't

1:05:02

like demand

1:05:04

that attention or recognition.

1:05:06

So, yeah, I don't I don't feel

1:05:08

like if it is the end for me, I don't feel

1:05:10

like, oh, that's something I missed out.

1:05:14

Like, I'm cool with it. Yeah. I don't

1:05:16

really get too caught up on that

1:05:18

stuff. Well, but let me go and let Ray

1:05:20

go and say it

1:05:22

was beautiful serve I'm I'm glad I'm glad he was celebrated like

1:05:24

that for sure. No. It was it was a good

1:05:26

fight. Well, Daniel, it's

1:05:28

been F1.

1:05:30

to chat. Thank you very much for your time. And

1:05:32

speaking of time, why is Were

1:05:35

you having fun? What does

1:05:37

it say?

1:05:38

Six.

1:05:39

Yeah. So just over an hour.

1:05:41

Perfect. One shot time. One shot

1:05:43

and two. I feel like all I've got

1:05:45

two questions. See how can I say? What

1:05:47

is it with Orshante? I hear you say.

1:05:50

Is it two

1:05:52

years at Reno taught you one word.

1:05:54

Right? Yeah. So it

1:05:57

was This is actually your

1:05:59

clothing.

1:05:59

Am

1:05:59

I right? Your clothing brand as a is there a

1:06:02

line called Orshante? Yes. Onshante. And

1:06:04

actually, my niece and nephew

1:06:06

made me this law enchantee bracelet the Monday

1:06:08

after the race at the kids

1:06:10

club at the hotel.

1:06:12

So it was it all it was really just started

1:06:14

as a bit of a

1:06:16

pissed take. So, actually, Natalie

1:06:19

Pinkham's husband. Owen,

1:06:22

he It

1:06:24

was

1:06:24

me it was him and I that would I've known him now

1:06:26

for ten years or so, and

1:06:29

we love UFC. Like, we spend

1:06:31

a lot of, like, social time

1:06:34

together. when the time is right, we enjoy a drink and whatever, and

1:06:36

it just became something kind of

1:06:38

silly. Well, we were just like, we'd cheers and

1:06:40

be like, lunch and tea. And introduce

1:06:44

ourselves and then, like, you know, you have a few drinks,

1:06:46

so you start acting like a kid and introduce

1:06:48

ourselves and be like, on

1:06:50

Chantain. It was just something silly,

1:06:52

but it made us always

1:06:54

giggle. It made us just feel

1:06:56

like the idiots we

1:06:58

are. So then it was like

1:07:00

okay, French team and then I've been living in

1:07:02

Monaco for however many

1:07:04

years now, nearly ten years, I think, and

1:07:06

it's like, I don't really know many

1:07:08

French words. But when I say on

1:07:10

Chantee, people like, oh, you

1:07:12

speak French? like, absolutely not. But I

1:07:14

know. I sound like I could, right?

1:07:16

Yeah. No. No. We have a clothing

1:07:18

We built yeah. We built something out of

1:07:21

it, and it's It's fun. Are you going to invest

1:07:23

a bit of time in the businesses, whether it's – what

1:07:25

do we got? We got the wine business, we

1:07:27

got the clothing? Yes. Yes, there's –

1:07:29

what else is there's

1:07:32

definitely a few things.

1:07:34

But like the the as as an

1:07:36

example, the the clothing, like these are things

1:07:38

that I I really enjoy investing time

1:07:40

into. And it's also

1:07:43

again, it's very

1:07:44

easy from the outside for people

1:07:47

be like, oh, you know, you just got to focus on F1

1:07:49

one and the driving and this and

1:07:51

that.

1:07:51

But yes, ten

1:07:54

years ago, even fifteen years ago, like when you're coming up

1:07:56

and trying to just figure it all out,

1:07:58

a hundred percent put all your

1:07:59

energy into

1:07:59

that. But at

1:08:02

some point, you

1:08:04

need a bit of a release. Like at some point,

1:08:06

if you've just got Formula One, that's not for

1:08:08

me. Like, I need something else and actually learning

1:08:10

about business or building something like not

1:08:13

only am I proud about it, but it's like it's

1:08:15

exciting. So it's also a, for me, personally,

1:08:17

a very positive

1:08:19

distraction. Like, that's that's

1:08:22

how I'd say it. So these things are fun and and it gives yeah. Next year, it gives me a chance to put a bit more energy into them.

1:08:24

Well, have a great

1:08:26

time in twenty twenty three.

1:08:30

final thought. When are we gonna see you at a race? Do you

1:08:32

know yet when we can look forward to seeing

1:08:34

you? I mean, I'd likely say Melbourne

1:08:37

would probably

1:08:38

be my first one. got

1:08:40

to check the calendar. But yeah, I'm

1:08:42

I'm pretty sure Melbourne would be. That makes sense and any excuse to

1:08:45

get back to

1:08:48

us. So Yeah. If not sooner, probably Melbourne,

1:08:50

mate. Alright. Look forward to seeing you. Thank you very much for your time. Happy Christmas. Thanks,

1:08:52

mate. You

1:08:55

too. can eat as much as I want now. This is great.

1:09:05

I love talking to Diya, and I hope you

1:09:07

agree that he was really

1:09:09

interesting to listen to.

1:09:11

He has a perspective

1:09:14

on Formula One that few drivers

1:09:16

have, and that will really help Red Bull

1:09:18

in twenty twenty three. I found his thoughts

1:09:21

on my Claren on Lando Norris and

1:09:23

his relationship with the other drivers, all fascinating. He would make a good TV bundle,

1:09:28

wouldn't he? but I don't think that's on

1:09:30

his radar, at

1:09:30

least not in the near future. Daniel, many thanks for your time

1:09:32

and enjoy

1:09:33

whatever you

1:09:34

get up to next year. It's

1:09:37

specialty that trip across the USA on those one

1:09:39

ten motorbikes. Now I hope you all enjoyed listening to Daniel

1:09:41

and please give me

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1:09:51

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1:09:55

brings

1:09:55

me onto what you sent in about Gunther Steiner

1:09:57

after last week. Everyone

1:09:59

loves Gunther. Have a listen

1:10:01

to this from Shave Bagnari. I've just listened to

1:10:03

the episode with Gunther, and I have

1:10:05

to say I was impressed. There's a

1:10:08

lot of what people

1:10:10

assume happens behind the scenes. that leads them to conclusions. But

1:10:12

this episode really gave me a

1:10:14

whole new insight into management and

1:10:17

into Formula One

1:10:20

awesome episode. Well, thanks, Shiv. And what about this

1:10:22

from Ben Johnson? Haas have usually started the season with a bang,

1:10:24

then failed to

1:10:27

keep up with development. Now they

1:10:29

have a new title sponsor. They're able to reach the budget

1:10:31

cap and they have two experienced drivers to help them develop the

1:10:33

car. So Haas could be

1:10:35

a dark horse for

1:10:38

the top six next year. Watch that

1:10:40

space bend.

1:10:41

Let's hear

1:10:42

next from Barry Smith. Every time

1:10:44

I hear good to talk, I

1:10:47

hear hints of Nikki Lauda. He's so direct. When I

1:10:49

hear that too, Barry, and

1:10:51

finally this from

1:10:54

the fleeing Dutchman. Gray Formula One needs teams like Hess.

1:10:56

Without the mid and back of the grid,

1:10:58

there would be no Formula One. Well,

1:11:03

thanks for that. I'm sure Has. Hoping to be more

1:11:05

mid than back of the field next year,

1:11:07

it's certainly exciting

1:11:09

times ahead for the Has.

1:11:11

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1:11:13

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1:11:21

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1:11:27

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1:11:31

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1:11:33

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