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1:05

Long

1:05

before Kevin, there was another

1:07

Magnusson in Formula One, And

1:10

there is Magnuson starting twelfth

1:12

for his first grand prix.

1:15

That's Jan Magnuson. Kevin's

1:17

father, making his f one debut

1:19

with McLaren in nineteen ninety five.

1:22

I remember there was such a buzz around Jan

1:24

back then. On his way to f one,

1:26

he

1:26

racing records set

1:28

by the Great Airtons Center,

1:29

and expectations were

1:32

high. But his time in f one was

1:34

brief and it was often frustrating.

1:37

I don't think I understood the

1:39

enormity of the task when

1:41

I when I was in Formula one.

1:44

all the success in f three went

1:46

against me in the following years.

1:49

That year didn't teach

1:51

me how to fight. When you

1:53

reflect on your Formula One career,

1:56

what would you do differently now? I've

1:58

I've had a chance to do

1:59

just that with Kevin. He's done it his way

2:02

but I feel like I've had a chance to do it

2:04

again with him sort of watching

2:06

from the side, giving him the advice

2:08

that I could give him. Welcome

2:10

to F1B on the grid. with me Tom

2:13

Klarkson.

2:14

Jan Maglisons racing career is extraordinary.

2:16

From his three Karting

2:18

World titles, to his record smashing

2:20

season in British Formula three and

2:23

class victories at Lemont and Daytona.

2:26

But his time in Formula one was discombobulating

2:28

and brief. Why? Well,

2:30

Jens had time to think about that. And as

2:33

you'll hear, he's brutally honest with

2:35

himself, and he's used that understanding

2:37

and wisdom to help guide his son,

2:39

Kevin. In fact, there are many parallels

2:42

between the Magnaisons racing stories.

2:44

They both made their Formula One debuts

2:46

with McLaren and they both made

2:48

f one history for Denmark. Jan

2:51

scored the country's first world championship

2:53

points, while Kevin was the first

2:55

stain to stand on the podium. they

2:57

both found themselves falling out of Formula

2:59

One and facing a hard choice of

3:02

what to do next. And they both

3:04

realize that their love for racing goes

3:06

beyond Formula One to sports

3:08

cars and endurance racing. They've

3:10

even raced together as teammates at

3:12

Lamar and experienced that

3:14

Yan talks about with so much joy,

3:17

it's really lovely to hear. Yan's

3:19

story is one of what might have

3:21

been. Curtie, if the cards

3:23

had fallen differently excelled

3:25

in one. I hope you enjoy

3:27

our conversation.

3:31

Yeah. And

3:31

it's lovely to have you on the show. Thank you very

3:33

much for your time. Thank you. Thank you. I love

3:35

being here. Now You've had

3:38

a diverse and very successful

3:40

career in motor sport with four

3:42

wins at Le Mans under your belt, among

3:44

many other accolades, How

3:46

important is it for you to have f

3:49

one on your CV? I think

3:51

that regardless what you do as a

3:53

racing driver, if f one's part

3:55

of it, you're in a much better position

3:58

and anything else that you do when

4:00

my time in Formula one ended properly.

4:03

leaving in the middle of a season and getting replaced

4:05

and all the bad stuff. The worst thing that can

4:07

happen to to a driver. I

4:09

thought it'd go against me, but it has

4:11

helped me. having

4:13

that on my on my CV is

4:17

regardless how it ended. It's still one of

4:19

the biggest things I ever did. Even

4:21

though the results didn't follow, it's still

4:23

something I'm super proud of that I achieved,

4:25

making it to a formula one. We'll

4:27

get into the nitty gritty of it in

4:29

a minute. but Jackie Stewart

4:31

once described you as

4:33

the greatest talent since Air

4:35

and Sena. So it's crazy

4:37

to think that you scored only

4:39

one world championship point in the

4:41

Canadian Grand Prix ninety eight. Why

4:45

do you think it didn't work out for you in

4:47

F1I

4:48

think

4:50

it's difficult to to

4:52

put it down to one thing. I

4:55

think it was a a lot of different things.

4:59

I don't think I understood

5:01

the the

5:04

enormity of the task when I

5:06

was in Formula one. I signed a

5:08

four year deal with Stuart back

5:10

then, and there was a kind of a clear

5:14

plan to follow, you know, learn from the one

5:16

year one year two. It's got some

5:18

points, year three, some

5:20

podiums, and year four. See

5:22

if we can go for wins. That was sort of the

5:24

plan at the time. And I think I

5:27

I was leaning back into that too

5:29

much and not knowing how cutthroat

5:31

and brutal Formula One could be. I

5:33

think I relied on

5:35

the plan and and trusted the

5:38

plan too much so that when

5:40

things did started to go a little bit

5:42

in the wrong direction. I wasn't

5:44

worried enough that this

5:46

could end prematurely. I

5:49

think that was that that was the big thing

5:51

and and and on the back of that then

5:53

comes that maybe I should've

5:55

I could've done things differently. I could've

5:57

demanded more attention on my

5:59

car could have demanded more new paths

6:01

or more testing or on

6:04

top of the whole thing, we didn't have a super reliable

6:06

car, so that I never really got the

6:08

testing mileage that

6:10

I think I needed at the time. I

6:13

was so looking forward to joining Stuart.

6:15

I couldn't see anything going

6:17

wrong in that scenario back then

6:19

because I've had a fantastic

6:21

year in Formula three and I've I've thought I'll

6:23

be coming home and it's gonna be easy for me

6:25

with these guys, I can be super successful.

6:28

It'd be just like the f three year.

6:30

There was such a buzz about you

6:32

coming into f one. That well, there was a buzz

6:34

about stuart coming in, in nineteen ninety

6:37

seven, and the fact that you and

6:39

Reuben Barikello were their drivers.

6:41

I mean, let's remind people, let's Let's

6:43

take a step back and remind people, Jan,

6:46

how good you were? I mean, let's start

6:48

with Carting. How

6:50

much success did you have?

6:53

A lot. Three wall championships.

6:56

Eighty seven, eighty nine, and

6:58

ninety. That's really what put me on

7:00

my path. So a career in motor sports.

7:02

Go kind of this a place where you find your

7:04

passion, I think, and where you find

7:07

to dig out the talent, see how good you

7:09

are. GOCRIS is more or

7:11

less the same as as motorsport in

7:13

general where you gotta be in the right place at

7:15

the right time and all that. And I I for

7:17

sure I was, I was with the we great

7:19

teams had good support around me,

7:21

but this and the success followed.

7:24

It made me believe and it made me dream about

7:26

much more. You then came to England

7:28

and won the the formal afford festival

7:31

when it was still at its peak back then.

7:33

It was it was a big deal at BrandSach.

7:35

Wasn't it? You you won that. What did that

7:37

victory do for your career? I'm

7:39

sure it did something later on in my

7:41

career. I spoke to Martin Whitmarsh and and

7:43

he was there at that race.

7:45

So when I joined McLaren, he told me

7:47

that he had seen me at that race and

7:49

kept an eye on me after that, but it didn't

7:51

it didn't open door. It wasn't I I still

7:53

had to find money to move up,

7:56

which I didn't have. So I stayed with the team,

7:58

fundraising because

8:00

of lack of funds. wasn't

8:03

until really I met Anne Newland and and

8:05

and David says that I had the

8:07

opportunity to pick and choose the right

8:09

team before that and form even in formula

8:11

four and in global losses.

8:13

It was where can I afford

8:15

to be, but it wasn't until I

8:17

met Anne Newland, and David says

8:19

that they provided me the money

8:21

of the backing that we could

8:23

go for Stuart in that three.

8:25

And and my goodness. That was the right

8:27

team. He did a couple of races for them in ninety

8:29

three -- Yeah. -- got on the podium. What

8:31

was it fourteen wins. Fourteen out of

8:33

eighteen. Out of eighteen. Beatting Sena's

8:35

record of twelve. I mean, you

8:37

must have thought you could walk on water at some

8:39

point in that year. I did. And

8:43

absolutely my the mindset you

8:45

get when you're that successful, I

8:48

remember it was when I woke up

8:50

Sunday morning, it was just a given for me that

8:52

I would win later on today.

8:54

It wasn't something that I was telling

8:56

myself, you know, you're gonna win something I knew.

8:58

I knew, you know, most

9:01

likely I'll win. And it but but that I had a lot of

9:03

pole positions as well. I had eleven or

9:05

something. But qualifying became

9:07

non important because

9:10

I knew things would work

9:12

for me. I'd get through the field and I'd

9:14

win. What was it about that car,

9:16

that Delara mug in London?

9:18

Yeah. That that seem to

9:20

click so well, because you were up against

9:22

some great drivers. I'm just gonna list some of them now.

9:24

Mario, Franky, team, Marjana, Pedro

9:26

de la Rosa. Yeah. Just

9:28

a driving style. The the Formula three car

9:30

at that time was quite

9:33

underpowered. But with the quite a bit of

9:35

aero and the so difficult car

9:37

to drive five, but the driving style just sorted

9:39

me from the minute I sat in it.

9:41

So the plan was back then to do

9:43

two years, one year learning, and then two

9:45

years trying to get some success. win

9:47

every race in Me too. Right? Yeah.

9:50

But so so,

9:52

obviously, halfway through the season

9:54

knew that there there's not gonna a year to

9:56

here. I'll need to move on from there.

9:58

But, no, it's just a driving style. I

10:00

found it. The wrong side is easy, but

10:02

what I had to do was natural for

10:05

me. So I didn't have to work a lot on my

10:07

driving style. I had a great team behind me

10:09

with Andy Miller from PSR

10:11

and Bruce Jenkins, my engineer. And

10:13

and Jackie Stewart. Of course. And Jackie, but

10:15

but Jackie didn't really I

10:17

mean, I'm I've made him a bunch of time. Made

10:19

him at all the races. and we talked and he

10:21

was, you know, full of praise. But he

10:24

he didn't at that time sort of worked with

10:26

me on my driving style or anything.

10:28

He was being very complementary of

10:30

what I did and how I operated.

10:32

Is it true that you've

10:34

recently bought that actual car. Well,

10:36

I actually got it back then.

10:38

When I did my deal for Formula

10:40

One, a little weird story, but

10:42

going through the contract, there was a clause in the

10:44

Formula One contract saying that, you

10:46

know, in the event that we get any

10:48

trophies, the team will keep the trophy, and I was

10:50

like, hell no, if I get the trophies, man. And

10:52

they were like, nope. Team gets it. And then I said,

10:54

well, then I want that. And the car was there.

10:56

Then you needed to give me that car. And they

10:58

they were like, yeah. Sure. Sure. Is it a

11:00

runner? Have you got an engine in the Powder? There's no engine.

11:03

The engine so with

11:05

that car came two engines. It's a testing

11:07

engine and a race engine. and but

11:09

they were good. They were the best engines, I

11:12

guess. So they were used a few years

11:14

after still in

11:16

f three. So I'm trying to so I have the

11:18

the the car, everything, minus

11:20

the the engines. I'm looking right now to see

11:22

if I can get one of those. If I can find one of

11:24

those too, that'll be awesome. and take

11:26

it back to Alton Park in the UK and

11:28

and give it a spin. So my

11:30

first win came at Donington. Kevin told

11:32

me, you know, we need to get the engine and then we need to

11:34

take it back to Donington. and we can

11:36

both drive it. So Some Kevin wants to

11:38

drive your old Formula three car. Yes.

11:40

That's brilliant. That'll be it. I want to be there if

11:42

I can't wait for that, Look,

11:44

there's there's two other rivals in

11:46

formula three that I wanted to ask you about that

11:48

is relevant to formula one.

11:50

There was one Christian horner.

11:52

Yes. and and

11:54

Zach Brown did a handful as well. Did you hang out

11:56

with Christine? No. No. That's

11:58

all we didn't have, you know, I out

12:00

with the stereo most of time. And so

12:02

I didn't really it

12:05

wasn't like we're mangled or anything,

12:07

but I do know that

12:09

that he raced that year and sacked it of couple

12:11

of races. He's finally at

12:13

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12:15

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12:18

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12:57

You dominate the British Formula three

12:59

Championship in ninety four. What

13:01

happens next? The

13:03

plan kind of followed the normal

13:05

routine back then was to move up to Formula three

13:07

thousand. And in

13:10

my contract with PSR,

13:12

was that if I did three thousand,

13:14

I had to do to them. So

13:17

after the season had ended, I

13:20

started testing for PSI in

13:22

Formula three thousand. But

13:26

it was something wasn't

13:28

off. The what they had working in the

13:30

Formula three team was definitely not

13:32

working in the Formula three thousand team. They

13:34

might own at at that time already

13:36

been shifting the focus a

13:38

little bit to go in the form of 1II don't know,

13:40

but it didn't work out. And I knew I can't

13:42

back up a fantastic season in form of

13:44

three whether really poor system in form of

13:46

three thousand. And my manager,

13:48

David Sears, had supernova,

13:50

and they were the best teams.

13:53

I was I thought, Moe, is is a way

13:55

out of forced road racing contract,

13:57

got us over and then have

13:59

a good shot at it from there, but they

14:01

wouldn't release me. So we ended

14:02

up taking having a meeting with Ron

14:04

Dennis, I then become a test driver

14:06

for McLaren and had my first test in

14:08

a Formula One car. Actually, the the

14:11

wheel used in the post your f three

14:13

thousand cars. Kinda get me ready for the

14:15

f one test. And now it's a test drive

14:17

from McLaren. So how early

14:19

in nineteen ninety five did this happen?

14:21

early, like, maybe January ninety

14:23

five. And there was a

14:25

shootout. Ron Dennis

14:27

informed us informed he he said, it'd be good. I did

14:29

a look at Mercedes TTM. There was a

14:31

junior program there, and those

14:34

were stood out at Hockenheim, and he thought I should

14:36

do it. It wasn't the you

14:38

know, a normal path to Formula One,

14:40

but at least DTM was very,

14:42

very high-tech the way

14:44

the engineers work. But cars

14:47

were were difficult cars to drive.

14:49

It'll be and there was a

14:51

way out of having a really bad season in

14:53

Formula three thousand. So I did

14:55

that and ended up doing DTM for two

14:57

years until the opportunity came with

14:59

Stuart. How did

15:00

you find Ron Dennis in those

15:02

early meetings? very

15:05

intimidating. I mean, he's he's the

15:07

most impressive guy I've ever

15:09

met. The guy never compromised

15:11

on anything. with me,

15:14

there was a lot of pressure. But I never

15:16

remember, you know, going into a

15:18

meeting with him and liking that moment.

15:21

So it's what's

15:23

gonna happen? What's it gonna say, you know, on

15:25

news, there's there's so much pressure, but it is

15:28

so impressive. you

15:30

know, I don't I don't think anybody in the pet lane

15:32

would say that Ron Dennis is likable, but

15:35

he is he was so

15:38

impressive. And what was your mindset

15:40

at this time? After all that success in

15:42

f three the previous year,

15:44

do you think Do you think

15:46

it affected your outlook? Did it

15:48

give you a full sense of

15:51

what was achievable in motorsport

15:53

thereafter? I

15:57

think all the success in f three

15:59

and how easy it came to me

16:01

went against me in the

16:03

following years. because I didn't in F3I

16:05

didn't really have to try. It just came

16:08

totally naturally. And

16:11

I think I wasn't you

16:14

know, that year

16:16

didn't teach me how to fight. I

16:19

won a lot, but it didn't really teach me how to fight

16:21

for it. And it came easy.

16:23

a good team behind me and everything

16:25

clicked. I think it would have

16:27

been more useful with eight

16:30

victories. but having to fight for it. So you

16:32

learn more in defeat. Yes.

16:35

But much more. When you win, you win.

16:37

And when you're young, I don't think

16:39

you know, it takes a lot to learn

16:41

from winning. You really

16:43

have to get so deep behind everything

16:46

to see where you can improve because when

16:48

you win, you've won. what small to

16:50

do. I think it's something for

16:52

me, it didn't really push

16:54

me -- Yeah. -- like I for the all

16:56

of the rest of my career, I've been pushing

16:59

for it. Yeah. So but

17:01

it's still I mean, I wouldn't trade

17:03

that season for anything. But

17:05

I think that that was if

17:08

anything negative to be said about that

17:10

season, that that that would be it that I

17:12

couldn't have to fight for. So

17:14

you're testing for McLaren in ninety

17:16

five. Just so happens to be

17:18

one of the worst McLarens in the

17:20

team's history. Man, I believe. and I guess

17:22

I'll be right. Was really wasn't a thirty

17:25

carabas now or was it? What was it like to

17:27

drive? Not not

17:29

bad of the Mercedes partnership,

17:31

there was a lot happening. A car

17:33

wasn't super great. I think Mika actually got

17:35

some out of it sometimes, but but

17:38

it wasn't. wasn't great.

17:41

So when and plus I

17:43

didn't do a lot of testing, and it make

17:45

a light to drive

17:47

and was testing the whole time. And so I

17:49

did some testing, but I

17:51

did a bunch of straight line testing

17:53

as well in airports around somewhere,

17:55

you know. But laps around the track

17:58

wasn't a lot.

17:59

So I was really, really under

18:02

prepared at the end of ninety five

18:04

when Maker had his appendicitis. and

18:06

I had to jump in. Well, how much warning did you

18:08

get? Well, I was told Sunday before. I was

18:10

told at Hawkenheim, but at

18:13

the last Ditch and race. Ron came to

18:15

me around the grid before

18:17

jumping in the car and asked me if I could

18:19

do a formal run race next weekend.

18:21

that was pretty much the lead up by bad.

18:24

What happens next? You obviously do the

18:26

race, but then -- Yeah. -- how

18:28

do

18:28

you then prepare for your debut? You've got

18:30

to wait. Yeah. We got a week. So

18:32

flew back to England of was

18:34

living and walking. So flew back Sunday night

18:36

after the DTM race. Monday morning,

18:38

I went to Silverstone. McLaren booked the

18:40

track because I've never made a start or a pit

18:42

stop. So practice that

18:45

for for that morning.

18:47

Went back pack my bags and

18:49

went back to Israel and flew to

18:51

Japan. So they they were sort of

18:53

the lead up. And at that time, never

18:55

done more than four laps in a row.

18:57

Physically, what sort of condition were you in? I was

18:59

pretty good because it was at the end of the year

19:01

from in a DTM car, but it

19:04

brutal g forces or anything like that,

19:06

but I did have some testing under my belt. But I

19:08

was still nervous about my fitness level, especially

19:11

my neck. how that's gonna take. But the

19:13

track, Ida, it's like a go kart

19:15

track, wasn't it? So that is not its

19:17

huge amount of GeForce loads. braking

19:20

force was big. So so I knew I was

19:22

gonna suffer. But I I wasn't good enough shape

19:24

to do the race. And, you know, I was I was fine

19:26

at the end of the race. I didn't have

19:29

any any big problems with my with my fitness,

19:31

but that was a huge question mark when I

19:33

went there because I've been testing

19:35

a Barcelona or Estoril and

19:38

places where there's really, really high

19:40

Gilots. That's what you take with you

19:42

all the way on the plane thinking of mine.

19:44

This is gonna be so tough. I'm not gonna

19:46

make it. but but it it it

19:48

turned out as it was always it's not easy, but it

19:50

was okay. And how pleased were

19:52

you with how the weekend went? You qualified

19:54

twelve to finish tenths just behind

19:56

teammate Mark Blondel. Yeah.

19:58

I was quite happy with it.

20:00

I caught Mark Blondel at

20:02

the end of the race. I caught back up

20:04

to him. We kind of finished nose nose to tail.

20:07

And I I should've had it go. But it

20:09

was outside the point, so there was nothing

20:11

I I felt I was being mature. say,

20:14

okay. I'm not gonna ruin it for the team now.

20:16

But of of course, I should've had a goal and then I have to

20:18

eat crass, wish you the crass. But

20:20

Yeah. But tenth, I'm happy with tenth. What

20:22

did Ron say? Exactly. That should've

20:24

had a go. Did he say that?

20:30

Oh, well, give me another go,

20:32

Roy. Yeah. That's what I

20:34

thought. I thought because next weekend was the

20:36

Japanese grand prix. This was the Pacific grand

20:38

prix or something, and then weekend after in Japanese

20:40

grand prix. But Mika was

20:42

back again and and that was it for

20:45

the year. Did you

20:47

ever test alongside McAachenan? Yeah. We tested

20:49

not on the same programs,

20:51

but the same days.

20:53

My very first test

20:55

I was at McLaren Puzhou. It

20:58

was with Maker. But he

21:00

crashed the car in the first his car in the first

21:02

day. So my my two day

21:04

test was now a one day test. because

21:06

it took my calendar day after. Do you remember

21:09

Hackingen being just

21:11

amazingly quickness? I mean, I don't know how much

21:13

data you had back then. But were you looking at his

21:15

data and going, yeah. No.

21:17

He's quick. And

21:19

he was amazingly quick and and knew what

21:21

he was doing and he was He

21:23

had a fantastic influence on the team, I think,

21:25

and how they worked around him. And

21:27

this is all stuff I didn't

21:29

see when I was there. This stuff I

21:32

realized after. But, you

21:34

know, back then, we had testing where it was

21:36

Mika, prost and myself. prost

21:38

came back and helped McLaren did some testing

21:41

and that I remember being super cool. That's the

21:43

coolest thing ever. You know, I get to

21:45

drive on the track at the same time

21:47

as Allan That was

21:49

amazing. It's so impressive.

21:51

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

21:53

you retain links with Mercedes

21:55

into ninety six. and you

21:57

head to America. Yeah. And you do some card

22:00

races for Penske Hogan.

22:02

Yeah. Why did you make the move to

22:04

the US? Well, first

22:06

of all, I was asked to, you know, there's an

22:09

opportunity. There's been a huge crash at

22:11

one of the super speedways. where

22:13

both Paul Traiser

22:15

and Amazon Philippe Polley had gotten injured.

22:17

The Amazon broke his back and

22:19

Paul Traiser broke his neck. So I

22:22

so standing for one I was standing

22:24

for one raise at Marlborough

22:27

Penske with in in Tracy's

22:29

car, and then added four races.

22:31

The remaining races that year in

22:33

the Amazon's car, the

22:35

Holgan Penske. It was just an

22:37

opportunity that came. I I missed

22:39

the GM race because of it, but

22:41

it was it was a Mercedes thing. It

22:43

was a wrong thing. So

22:46

Ron was still directing

22:48

your career at this point. Yes, very much. So

22:50

it's through him that this came, who just to

22:52

him and Penske's partnership and

22:55

Obviously, they got Mercedes involved because I had

22:57

to miss one or two races in

22:59

detail and because of it. Did

23:01

you worry that the Formula One World

23:03

might forget about you or when when you're on

23:05

the other side of the pond? No.

23:07

No. I didn't worry about that.

23:09

But I did make a mistake, though, in when I

23:11

went there that I did not pay

23:13

an effort respect

23:16

to India. because

23:18

I was very verbal about

23:20

this is just a stop gap. This is I'm

23:22

not gonna be doing this. I'm going to

23:25

formula one. And I think I heard some people's

23:27

feelings because in

23:29

India, that's their world.

23:31

There's nothing outside of that. I

23:34

do think I messed up in my attitude

23:36

towards it's not I love being there.

23:38

The cars amazing cars, super

23:40

cool fast, brutal. But

23:44

I was verbal too verbal

23:47

about what my path was, and and

23:49

the car was not one of them. Did you do

23:51

an oval race? So I didn't

23:53

over raise later, but not that yet. I didn't over

23:55

raise a ninety nine for

23:57

Patrick. And that

23:59

was one of the coolest experiences I've ever

24:01

had. But but those ninety

24:03

six in because I

24:05

felt were peak was peak in detail

24:07

for me. Massive power. Yeah.

24:10

Broodle, big, heavy cars.

24:13

Much in a sense

24:15

sort of much more

24:17

physical than a Formula one car.

24:19

When did you first make

24:21

contact with Jackie Stewart about coming

24:23

back to Formula one for ninety seven? Oh,

24:25

in the mid ninety six,

24:28

I was contacted by Jackie. There

24:30

there truly been no contact since I

24:33

left format three

24:35

thousand program. And

24:39

mid-ninety six, I get a

24:41

phone call from Bruce Jenkins. saying

24:43

that I need to call Jackie right now because

24:45

I came up in a in an in

24:47

an exciting conversation. An asshole.

24:49

Okay. So I didn't know going

24:51

on. And then I called Jackie and and he told

24:53

me about the program and and

24:56

asked me if there was an out

24:58

in my McLaren contract. So

25:01

obviously, I went back to David CES and talked

25:03

to him about how how do we do this.

25:05

I need to I can't sign

25:08

for Stewart until I'm out of the other deal.

25:10

So I ended up calling Ron and telling

25:12

him about the opportunity I

25:14

had. He told me right

25:16

off the bat, that's the worst idea you ever

25:18

heard of. Then he listed up

25:21

why. New team and

25:23

experienced a young drive didn't have enough laps

25:25

in a car. I was coming up

25:27

against a young super

25:29

fast experienced driver because I think

25:31

Rubens' this was his fourth. That would be his

25:33

fourth of fifth season in Formula

25:35

One. The

25:38

Ford engines have many many things that runs

25:40

sort of listed. He ended up, you

25:42

know, hitting it on an hill on every point. But

25:45

all I heard was that, but

25:47

if you really wanna do it, I'll let you go.

25:50

Alright. I wanna do it. I gotta go.

25:52

Yeah. I'm I'm guessing you came

25:54

back to him and said, well, look, roll off stay at

25:56

McLaren if there's an opportunity McClari.

25:58

Well, that conversation we'd had earlier, I should have

26:00

probably mentioned that, but that conversation had come

26:02

up earlier because cohort was

26:04

now over there. and Hackett

26:06

and Ross was very, very much settled

26:09

in the team. And I couldn't

26:11

see Ron providing me with an

26:13

opportunity at McLaren in the know,

26:15

foreseeable future. So when

26:17

I when I called Ron and

26:19

and told him about this, it was no surprise to

26:21

him that I wanted to do something.

26:23

And what was your attitude to the the list of negatives

26:25

that he'd given you about it being a one

26:27

car team and Ford engines not

26:30

being great? To to be honest,

26:32

I totally

26:34

put it aside because I didn't believe

26:36

he was right. I thought

26:38

Okay. I'm up against Reuben Barikello, but I can

26:40

beat him. I totally underestimated underestimated

26:44

him. he was right

26:46

about the lack of testing that I would have.

26:48

The how unprepared would be.

26:50

He did tell me about the Ford engines and

26:52

some problems with those. like I said, you

26:54

know, he ended up being right on all accounts.

26:57

But it's a driving formula one.

26:59

It's a driver. How do you no. It's a

27:01

four year deal. in formula one. How do you turn

27:03

that down? Yeah. That that for

27:05

for me, that was I mean, this

27:07

I need to do this. There's no

27:10

no other were there any other

27:12

options for next? No. So we talked with Jordan

27:14

and we talked with Alicia. But

27:17

the Stewart deal was the best.

27:19

and how much of your decision to go to

27:21

Stuart was based on the slightly

27:23

romantic notion of recreating the

27:25

success that you'd had together in Formula three.

27:28

ninety ninety percent is okay. We've

27:30

done it before. We can do it again. Exactly. That

27:32

was exactly my mindset. I couldn't

27:36

have dreamt of a better opportunity for me back

27:38

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27:40

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28:15

the car. How good was the

28:17

car? In that first year in nineteen ninety

28:19

seven. The car was good in ninety

28:21

seven, but the engine was there

28:23

was unreliable. We were blowing up

28:25

engines, firing them up in the garages. They

28:27

were blowing up on track. They were

28:29

so many up again fifty blow ups

28:31

in in with testing and then

28:34

racing. I think I was credited

28:36

for four or five finishes,

28:39

but I think I only crossed the finish

28:41

line twice. You retired from

28:43

eleven of the seventeen races how

28:45

difficult is it as a young

28:47

driver coming in? Just to understand

28:49

what you're doing when you're spending

28:51

so much time sat on the sidelines,

28:54

what Yeah. Like

28:56

I said at the beginning,

28:58

I was this I

29:00

felt was still part of the plan Jackie

29:03

had set out for me.

29:05

And so relied

29:08

way too much on, okay, this

29:10

sucks. but it's obviously

29:12

part of the plan. I

29:14

don't know what I

29:16

should have done differently

29:18

in that situation. If

29:20

it blows up, it blows up, there's not much you can

29:23

do. But I

29:25

didn't pay any attention to when it

29:27

was running that Rubens was

29:29

ahead of me. he would qualify better than me, and

29:31

he would, you know, obviously, he

29:34

scored points in the first season. He

29:36

had a second at

29:38

Monaco, o seven, which is

29:40

a good result for me, but here were seconds, so my result

29:42

doesn't count. Did you

29:45

feel that the team was focused

29:47

towards him and not you. Yes. They're my

29:49

soul and but I didn't think it

29:51

was weird. I didn't even didn't even

29:53

bother me because we could I knew

29:56

that we can get much more out of him at this

29:58

point. I'll get there

30:00

later. But at this point,

30:02

early in the program, we

30:04

need to listen to that guy that was about to

30:06

listen to. Did you have a good

30:08

working relationship with Barikell? Fantastic.

30:12

Here's the who's the only friend

30:14

ahead in f one. In my

30:16

time in f one, we had a great

30:18

relationship with his teammates. We

30:21

work well on the on the

30:23

track. We're still competitors, but we work well on

30:25

track, and we hang out between races.

30:27

When I left, what I was

30:29

most sad about was that I wouldn't, you

30:31

know, be hanging out with Rubens. And

30:35

he was super quick, wasn't it? He was. And I

30:37

totally underestimated him.

30:39

I think the world underestimated him.

30:41

And then, of course, well, he then goes

30:44

and becomes Schumacher's teammate. Yeah. Yeah.

30:46

And and and that's well

30:48

there. Yeah. Now it was

30:51

that that's one of the the

30:53

the the big things that, you

30:55

know, I I learned from that. That's

30:57

for sure. What about your

30:59

relationship with Jackie Stewart at

31:01

this point? took a turn for the

31:03

worst because he was getting,

31:05

I'm sure, a lot of pressure from Ford

31:07

to try and make something out of

31:09

this because it wasn't good advertisement

31:11

for Ford, but they blew up the whole

31:13

time and but it I mean, it

31:15

was obviously for a year, two for

31:18

ninety eight. the engines were now quite good.

31:20

But in year one, the the the

31:22

the car was actually handling pretty well. It

31:24

was a good car. They had lots of time

31:26

to build it. Year two was the

31:29

opposite. Now the engines were half decent,

31:31

but their car was shipped. Year one,

31:33

there was another problem, and ninety seven was

31:35

another problem. problem. Another

31:37

situation where Bridgestone came

31:39

in and there was now a tirewall going

31:41

on, so cars were a lot faster

31:43

than in ninety six. So

31:45

we're breaking parts. We're breaking up rights

31:47

or, you know, snapping suspensions

31:52

from from the extra loads. And for some

31:54

reason, it was only my car that broke, and I had some

31:56

really big accidents in the beginning of the

31:58

year. How much did that

32:00

knock you? at

32:02

the time, I didn't think about it.

32:04

But later on, I'm I'm sure

32:06

that it took some confidence out of me,

32:08

not knowing, you know, am

32:10

I gonna get out the other

32:12

end of the corner, especially

32:15

one crash at this wheel where I got pinned in

32:18

car one of the wrist bones. I got went through the back of my leg

32:20

and out through the other side of the car, and

32:22

so I got just kinda, you know, thought through the

32:24

muscle. So I got went through the back of my

32:26

leg here. took and took the

32:28

suit out. And so as jammed and

32:30

the car couldn't get out. And at that time,

32:32

there's no medical people

32:34

on the action. I sat down until the team came in

32:36

rental cars and found me out on

32:38

track. And it

32:40

was so I didn't do a a

32:42

lot of It it didn't build

32:44

confidence. No. It can't. It's hard at

32:46

all. But and and you mentioned tires, and

32:48

of course, the whole sport.

32:50

switches from slicks to grooves for nineteen

32:52

ninety eight. How did you adapt to that? For

32:54

those tires, I had a hard time getting my my

32:56

head around. It was

32:59

generation one of

33:02

those, they they weren't great. Did the car

33:04

feel very unstable on them?

33:06

Yeah. Now there was a lot of

33:08

movement, which you you need to try and interpret in the right

33:10

way. They're still fast. They're still

33:12

physical to drive and all that, but there was something

33:14

there was just weird with those tires and it

33:16

took too long get my

33:18

head around it. But the engine was a bit better.

33:21

Ninety eight, we started having gearbox

33:24

issues. They they made a carbon fiber

33:26

casing or something. Also,

33:28

it didn't work. So

33:31

that was the holidays.

33:33

Yeah.

33:35

Back person is in the

33:37

sixth position. So

33:40

the Stewart team have dodged what

33:42

they have worked so very

33:44

hard for. Yeah.

33:46

And you

33:48

do score the only World Championship Point of

33:50

your former Lauren career in Canada

33:52

in ninety eight. How much of

33:54

a relief was that? That was a huge relief

33:56

because at that point, I knew, now, this

33:58

is not a good situation for me. And and

34:00

you you saw the writing on the wall prior to

34:03

that. Yeah. but I wasn't super

34:05

worried when I did get resolved. I I did

34:07

feel like now I've I've done what I need

34:09

to do. Now I'm I'm

34:11

I'm good. I'm back in the on the good

34:13

side of things. But I did feel

34:15

the pressure from Jacky. Jacky also took me to

34:17

Olden Park and some four s chord and was trying

34:19

to teach me how to drive You got

34:22

the driving lesson. Yeah. And

34:24

then and that was I mean,

34:26

that that that ruined more than

34:28

anything else because it ruined my

34:31

self confidence, whatever was left of the

34:33

self confidence, because he was also

34:36

being public about it.

34:38

And that was not Rubin's told the other day that

34:40

he did the same thing. So if it happens, that's a kind

34:42

of a that kind of helps me a little bit.

34:44

Did he ever do it to Rubin? Never

34:46

to Rubin. But I think Rubin's was

34:49

there that day, but it but but it was just

34:51

hanging out. But that that was a

34:53

horrible day. Everything about it

34:55

was so wrong. driving around Olden Park

34:57

in a in a fully drive escort and

35:00

and and him forcing you

35:02

to drive, like, he wants you

35:04

to drive and

35:06

then compare on lap times. So it's like driving, you know, with your hands

35:08

tied behind the back, you can't drive like

35:10

you want to. And then he went

35:13

he was very public about the

35:15

results of it because yeah. And I was slower

35:17

than him driving in a weird

35:20

way. That that that

35:22

-- Yeah. It so

35:24

so what happened after Canada? It

35:26

was a week after Canada. I got

35:28

the call. I'd only just told him from

35:30

Jackie from Jackie called me up and

35:34

he he was sorry. He was, you know,

35:36

he he was very verbal about.

35:38

This is not what he wanted to

35:40

happen. This is not what he

35:42

wished. But they will, you know, the way my

35:44

performance had been, even though it

35:46

had gotten better, they

35:48

they were forced to make some some

35:51

hard choices and some changes.

35:54

And I was told, the way he said it was that

35:56

there's a test next week. You won't

35:58

be going for step ins in

36:00

the car. And I I told I was

36:02

kinda confused where am

36:04

I not it's okay. I'm not doing the test

36:06

board, but am

36:08

I out? completely out

36:10

then. And then he said, yes.

36:12

There. There you go. And

36:14

now that was a hard hard

36:16

blow. And kind

36:19

of, you know, it uprooted everything.

36:21

My at that point though, that

36:23

was my my whole life.

36:26

I was living and

36:28

walking alone.

36:30

So I went back, packed my stuff up, went

36:32

back to Denmark, facing

36:34

the music back there. And I

36:37

remember the change from the the

36:40

Danish press have been super supportive,

36:42

but and now they turned

36:44

now hours of big things bad

36:46

bad articles for front page

36:48

stuff. Man, I hated all

36:50

of it. So I kinda hit

36:54

with a friend of mine ago. We

36:56

had a house outside of town, and

36:58

I I went out there, moved in,

37:01

felt sorry for myself on

37:03

account somewhere for a few months,

37:05

not knowing what I should do.

37:07

Did you fall out of love with

37:09

motorsport at that point. Yeah. Did you think

37:12

about life beyond being a racing driver?

37:14

Yeah. That's pretty that was pretty much the way

37:16

I was

37:18

heading. And so I did I I went to Hockenheim to do a Porsche super

37:20

cup on the formula one week, and

37:22

there was some jacket set up, but it

37:24

was fun to do, but I

37:27

hated being I hated everything about

37:30

it. But then

37:34

around October,

37:36

David Seals calls me and tells me about this opportunity America

37:40

with this. doctor

37:44

Don Panos that build a race

37:46

car, and you thought I should go and do

37:48

it. So I

37:50

I to be honest, I only did it because

37:52

David told me that I was just doing it because he was my manager and he kinda

37:54

told me to do it. So I wasn't

37:56

looking forward to it. And sports cars

38:00

never end up my mind and Lamar was for old guys and

38:02

all the stuff you think as a young driver.

38:04

And I went out there

38:08

saw the car, which is a

38:10

total base to look like the battery base. Total

38:12

base. Total base

38:14

was received, you know, most

38:18

American way, you know, open arms,

38:20

part of the team. Happy to be so

38:22

happy that I was there. They were happy that

38:24

I was there. Had a

38:26

great test. The car was brutal, some monster. It sounded

38:28

fantastic. There was flames coming out of it,

38:30

and that

38:33

night you know, decision that, man, this is what I'm

38:35

gonna do. So I did the deal that night with Don

38:37

Panas for ninety nine,

38:40

flew home, packed my bags,

38:43

moved to America. And at this point, you turned

38:45

your back on formula one. One out

38:47

of set completely. Even if you'd

38:49

been offered a seat,

38:51

do you think you would have taken it? I doubt

38:54

I doubt it. That that's, you know, a

38:56

big if, but I doubt it. Did you

38:58

continue watching the races? the rest of

39:00

ninety eight, I didn't watch any races.

39:02

I was done. Finish with

39:04

it. And

39:07

then, you know, life started again for me in

39:09

America. And when the ninety nine season started,

39:12

and the team was watching the races, so

39:14

obviously, I watched them with that, but there

39:16

was no for it. It was

39:18

only at that

39:20

time, I was so happy that I had another

39:22

opportunity in America. And how

39:24

tough was it for you, Jan, to look at that ninety nine season

39:26

and see that Stuart had a good car.

39:28

Of course, they they won a Nobel Green with

39:30

Johnny Herb, but was

39:32

that tough? Did

39:34

you did you find yourself thinking I should be in that

39:36

car? No. No. I never never

39:39

never thought anything like

39:41

that. I was still happy to be out of it and

39:43

I was happy to be in America surrounded

39:45

by people that wanted the best

39:47

not only for me but with me

39:49

that they wanted to win

39:52

with me. And that was

39:54

it was so clear to me because

39:56

up until then, I don't wish I've I've I've

39:58

lived a life where I felt like I was

40:00

born to be a formula one driver. But

40:04

America told me that I was born to be a racing

40:06

driver, and that's

40:08

two things.

40:08

Abrigosy

40:25

blazer.

40:37

When you reflect

40:38

on your Formula One career,

40:40

what would you do differently

40:44

now? I

40:44

have had a chance

40:45

to do that. I've I've

40:47

had a chance to do just that with

40:50

Kevin, not that I could do it again,

40:52

but my career did

40:54

teach me a bunch of stuff. And it's

40:56

not like I've been given Kevin

40:59

a here's a book on how you

41:01

what you should do and

41:03

what you shouldn't shouldn't do it. It hasn't it all happened like that.

41:05

I've left Kevin alone as much as I could.

41:08

But when I've had a chance, when I

41:10

could see

41:11

situations

41:13

develop maybe a little bit

41:15

towards what was happening with me.

41:17

Could be anything. over

41:19

then then I've told Kevin, you

41:22

know, this is this is what I

41:24

did. Didn't work. This is what you

41:26

should be doing.

41:28

He hasn't at all, done it my way or not even the

41:30

way I told him to do it. He's he's

41:32

done it his way, but but

41:34

I've had I feel like I've had a chance to do

41:36

it again

41:38

with him. sort of watching from the

41:40

side, giving him the advice that I could give

41:42

him. Don't make the same mistakes

41:44

I made. Yeah. But it's yes.

41:46

But not that direct.

41:48

That's that's difficult to explain, but

41:50

I've had a chance to talk to him about

41:53

the situations. I've never given him a

41:55

clear answer on things or a clear direction

41:57

because I I can't say that I was I was

41:59

ever a hundred

42:02

percent sure what would be the right way to do it, but I could tell him I

42:04

did I did it like this and that didn't

42:06

work. Then there's a

42:08

whole other set of

42:10

opportunities or ways to do it

42:12

and pick one of those because so this

42:14

didn't work. What impresses

42:16

you the most about your son?

42:19

what impresses me

42:21

the most as worried as

42:23

I was with him joining

42:26

McLaren under

42:28

Ron Dennis. a sense of déjà vu, whether it was a little bit I could

42:30

feel for Kevin. Every time he had to go in a

42:32

meeting with Ron and and all

42:34

that, impressed me back then and impressed

42:36

me how well he

42:38

coped drawn and how he found

42:40

a a way to exist in that because

42:42

that's not a nice world.

42:45

your gold places, but it's not a

42:47

nice world. So when he got

42:49

that podium in Australia -- Yeah.

42:51

-- there was How emotional did you get? I

42:53

was I was I was in America. I wasn't at the

42:56

race. I was in America. We just

42:58

finished twelve hours

43:00

of Sabrina. and I was

43:02

watching it on television

43:04

at midnight or whenever the hell it was in the

43:06

in the at Sabrina

43:08

and see that was unbelievable. following

43:10

the the, you know, following the practice sessions

43:12

and the qualifying, and he was up there near the

43:14

front the whole time, you know, it's up six,

43:17

eight, whatever. And then he

43:20

qualified p four or something, which

43:22

is phenomenal. There's a weird trying,

43:24

qualifying, and he had

43:26

nailed it. And then finishing the race

43:28

third, which was then converted in a

43:30

second later, was

43:32

unbelievable. Like,

43:35

crazy and but as a

43:37

father said now, I was it's not

43:39

like I'm crying everything. Every time it

43:41

does something special, but I can

43:43

get emotional about it. It's

43:47

it's

43:50

I mean, it's fantastic to watch,

43:54

and you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm so

43:56

happy and relieved that

43:59

that things went their

44:01

way they did for I I do think looking

44:03

back, you know, it would have been cooler if the

44:05

podium for Kevin had come in in the last race

44:07

of that year and

44:10

not an the first. It's a bit like you in f three. Isn't it?

44:12

Yeah. A little bit a little

44:14

bit because I'm sure

44:16

Kevin thought, well,

44:18

this is pretty easy. And then it got immediately.

44:20

But but that

44:23

season, that's it. teach him

44:25

a lot because I think the podium was, okay, now

44:28

it needs to be podiums every time.

44:30

Now anything out of the podium is a

44:32

failure and and

44:34

the only success was on Napoleon, but,

44:36

you know, looking back that, you know,

44:38

I think he missed out on a lot of

44:40

opportunities because he

44:42

he was distraught that

44:44

the podium was not within Ridge, and then

44:46

it kinda lost it a little bit from there. And

44:48

of course, this was the first year of

44:50

the Turbot hybrid's Mercedes with Domin

44:52

eighty everything. So -- Yeah. -- completely unrealistic. Yeah.

44:54

I think that it should've carried

44:57

on. Yeah. But that's that's how

44:59

it is. It's as far as

45:02

That was still is, you know, motorsport history. It's

45:04

and in Denmark, that was unbelievable.

45:06

Have you seen a change in

45:08

Kevin this year? I definitely are

45:12

more relaxed. I hate this word, but almost

45:14

more mature Kevin Magnusson this year than

45:16

when he was informal one first time

45:19

around. Yep. very much so. A lot of

45:21

stuff has happened in his life. He's also had

45:23

a taste of life outside of Formula

45:26

One. And

45:28

in America, in sports

45:30

cars where life's good, with fun,

45:32

school cars, you know, a great

45:34

racing. And I think

45:36

that's what he needed to do

45:39

that. So just like I needed

45:41

to to to learn that there is

45:43

a life that's life after

45:46

Formula One. and and he also

45:48

learned that he's also

45:50

just a racing driver. you

45:54

know, not just a race that was wrong,

45:56

but that he's a racing driver and that

45:58

he enjoyed the sportswear side of

46:00

things. And Formula one

46:02

is fantastic. It's also hard

46:04

and it's frustrating and being, you

46:06

know, in this end of the

46:10

field. It's a lot of work for what

46:12

can feel like nothing. It's a lot of work for nothing.

46:16

So when he came back into

46:18

this situation, when

46:20

Hass called him up or going to call him up and gave him the

46:22

opportunity, like, a week before, him and

46:24

I were having the conversation about what because

46:27

it was all happening than pizza

46:29

and all that. And, you know, the question

46:31

was brought up. What if?

46:34

And he was, like, almost slapping

46:36

his thighs. No. Hell,

46:38

no. Never again. Why? That's interesting. Well, because he liked

46:40

it in America, he had to push your deal and, you

46:42

know, things were gone. He was married. He

46:44

had a

46:46

kid. Form the one, he was done. And then a week later,

46:48

he calls me up and this is, you're not gonna

46:52

believe this. And

46:55

he was having, you know, it's it's a

46:57

long conversation about, man, I got I I do

46:59

have the push out deal, and I don't know what

47:01

Lewis is gonna a side of travel. I kind of promised her not

47:03

to, you know, it's been a different life and this and

47:06

that. And he had a lot of good

47:08

reasons why not to

47:10

do it. And at the end of it, III told you

47:12

know, I'm really, really proud of

47:14

how you're thinking about all of

47:16

this, but Well, I'm

47:18

pretty sure you're gonna do it anyway.

47:20

And he was like, yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna do

47:24

it. So so that was cool. One

47:26

of the things he said that he

47:28

absolutely loved doing in that

47:30

hiatus between his four below one

47:32

careers was

47:34

racing with you at Le Mans. Yeah. Last year, he said we had

47:36

loads of problems -- Yeah. -- sadly in the race.

47:38

But just to do

47:41

Le Mans, with the old man. And he

47:43

said, the old man's still

47:45

got it. Is it

47:48

good? Good. how that that came

47:50

about with a strange opportunity

47:52

and backing from Denmark and

47:54

all that was a lot of work to

47:58

to do it, but it was so clear to me that if there's ever gonna

48:00

be a chance for us to do this

48:02

at Lamar, this is this is gonna

48:04

be the best the the best opportunity. So

48:07

lots of hard work. We end up we end up starting to

48:09

do some testing in Spain and things are

48:12

going fantastic. Absolutely fantastic.

48:14

So we had so high hopes

48:16

So obviously, the result was shit. We had so many problems

48:18

in the race, but the experience, the

48:22

chance I mean, I I

48:24

love that I get that chance to

48:26

to see Kevin as

48:29

a teammate and and go

48:31

through data and come hearing him and

48:33

myself with with real data and we

48:35

can see the two racing drivers.

48:37

And my father some, but two

48:39

racing drivers comparing themselves to each other.

48:42

And and for the first time

48:44

in my whole life, you know, there was

48:46

no bullshit.

48:48

There was didn't hold anything felt

48:50

didn't hold anything back.

48:52

It was just about making each

48:56

other better. to give us the best shot at the mall.

48:58

And and that experience

49:00

was one of the

49:02

best in my in my life. Was that the

49:04

biggest difference?

49:06

between having Kevin as a teammate and just another

49:08

professional driver is that blood is thick

49:11

of the mortar. I'm gonna tell

49:14

you absolutely straight what I'm thinking. As you say, no bullshit. Was

49:16

that it? That was the main difference. No. That was that

49:18

was the main difference because you would

49:20

I I think all of us raising

49:24

drivers. You know, we're

49:26

competitive people and we're if if

49:28

we do find a little bit that we don't have to tell

49:30

our teammates and you don't. But still even though you're

49:32

a team, there's three drivers in the car and you,

49:34

you know, you still like to be the fastest.

49:36

So but there was

49:38

none of that there. It was Go

49:41

go go. Who was the fastest? Oh, Kevin ended

49:43

up being the fastest. Just kinda sucked

49:45

a little bit, but it was at the

49:47

test, we were very equal. and

49:51

and thanks for that was cool

49:53

as also for me, you know, I'm I'm

49:55

a lot older than Kevin. you

49:58

know, to be able to keep up with him was that was one thing, but

50:00

going in and looking in the data and finding

50:02

out, okay, and I can do that and

50:04

develop. I I learned a lot And

50:07

III learned a lot from the way

50:09

he works. It's totally different from my

50:12

our racing educations are

50:16

very different. this is a better

50:18

education. But and I was

50:20

all down to McLaren and the time he

50:22

spent spent there. But the way

50:24

he worked, you know, III learned a lot and but

50:26

the big thing was, you go

50:28

in there, you compare, and you can see yourself

50:31

as data of where

50:33

we are like and where we

50:36

differ. And we are much

50:38

much more like well, we are as

50:40

much as like as I was hoping we

50:42

would be. And of course, you're doing

50:44

it all again at the end of the season --

50:46

Yes. -- in Abu Dhabi. The

50:48

gulf twelve hour. Yeah. Get another

50:50

opportunity. Kevin

50:52

called me few months ago, about three months ago whenever the

50:54

Miami weekend called me up and

50:56

say, look, this is an opportunity. We can

50:58

do a race

51:00

together. Yep. Hell,

51:02

yes. I mean, when do we

51:04

go? So now we

51:06

get an opportunity to race

51:08

with MDK.

51:10

a team, Kevin's ambassador for American

51:12

racing team. And then they they

51:14

thought it'd be fine to to see if

51:16

they could set it up for him and I

51:19

again. We have a test at the end of end

51:21

of November in Barcelona, and

51:23

then there we go. You're in a

51:25

Ferrari. Can you go for outright victory in

51:27

that car? Yes. Yeah.

51:29

So thirty I I think there's thirty

51:32

five, thirty 6GT3

51:34

entries, and then there's some

51:36

cup cars. I think there's forty

51:38

cars, so forty five cars in total

51:40

or something. But we we can go for the outright. I think we're in the right

51:42

equipment to go for

51:46

it. But GT racing

51:48

is B0P You never really know where you are

51:50

until until you get there. But this

51:52

is a fantastic opportunity. I think

51:54

we we're we're kind of in with

51:56

a shot. It sounds so much fun but there. You are a

51:58

man who has driven so many

52:00

different cars in your career. I think

52:02

Formula One sports

52:04

cars, touring cars, NASCARs

52:06

-- Yeah. -- even trucks.

52:08

Yes. Truck racing. I mean,

52:10

you've done it all and had

52:12

so much success outside of f one. Which cars have you

52:15

enjoyed the most? Of the

52:17

Formula One cast, as

52:20

absolutely way up there. I think

52:22

if you ask most racing drivers

52:24

that you ask that question,

52:28

though, the answer will sort of tie in with a car they had

52:30

a lot of success in because that's where the

52:32

greatest emotions were. But

52:34

just from a pure driving sense,

52:37

I mean, there was so much enjoyment driving

52:39

the Formula One car.

52:42

But even the NASCAR was

52:45

it's the other end of things. It's

52:47

a horrible handling car, but it's got tons

52:49

of power that's so much soul, I think,

52:51

in a in a mass car. It doesn't

52:53

handle well. It's just a big brutal width. But there's also

52:55

a big challenge to driving it correctly and

52:58

getting the most out of it, so that

53:00

was fun. that was with

53:02

Hendrick, wasn't it? Yeah. And you were doing you've

53:04

done a lot of road course testing for them.

53:06

Yeah. So So you work with Jeff

53:08

Gordon. all of them. Jeff Gordon, Jim Johnson, Dale and

53:10

Hut junior, and Mark Martin. What are

53:12

my teammates? The big guys.

53:14

Right. They're all my teammates.

53:17

So oh, the so yeah. So I was that was

53:20

a development program for the Road

53:22

Coast car. And

53:24

at the end of it, there was like a

53:26

bonus. You should do race. That was a fantastic experience,

53:28

but also one of the wildest

53:30

races I've ever tried. Robin's

53:34

racing in. Oh, but I was

53:36

more in rubbing. That felt like a like a three and a half hour bar fight

53:38

with people throwing furniture around.

53:42

It was nuts, absolutely crazy. And

53:45

I've been warned that it was gonna

53:47

be like that. So

53:50

I tried to stay below the radar for us. I wanted to survive for

53:52

as long as possible. I didn't wanna create a

53:54

new wave. So I ended up finishing

53:57

just outside Top ten. That

53:59

was good. You have just described that

54:01

whole experience brilliantly because, of course, Kimmy

54:04

Rykinen did his first -- Yeah. --

54:06

Mastercard refill. Right? Now I'm thinking of

54:08

him getting used to this

54:10

firefight. I mean, it it

54:12

it was it was

54:14

amazing experience. but sports cars always

54:16

I've always been happy. You know, I've done

54:18

sports cars for twenty four

54:22

years now. I love that. I love the challenge that it brings

54:24

and I love that it gives me opportunities

54:26

like I'm gonna have later on this year to

54:28

get to drive with Kevin

54:30

again and Well, of course,

54:32

because racing is the Magnuson

54:34

family business. Isn't it? Your

54:36

dad did a bit of bike racing and a few

54:38

rallies. There's you.

54:40

There's Kevin. there's your other son, Luca. Yeah. He's

54:42

going again. And and so

54:44

with it with Luca, it was also that was

54:46

also Kevin kind of being a little bit hard with me

54:48

and said,

54:50

you know, I never really and I never pushed

54:52

Kevin into anything. I I supported as

54:54

much as I could, but he was for some reason, he was being

54:56

pretty hard on me, you know,

54:58

you don't Don't push Lokey, you know.

55:00

Don't don't. And so so we just had fun with it, and then

55:02

it just kind of developed. And this

55:04

year, suddenly, Lokey got extremely

55:07

good. So and but he gets

55:10

to choose his path, but I'm

55:12

gonna be right there all the way. Well,

55:14

we're gonna I think you're gonna be in the pit

55:16

lane for oh, for a long time. Yeah.

55:18

I hope so. But all he all he needs to know is that he calls the shots. But

55:20

if I need to sell the house

55:22

again, I'll do it. it.

55:27

Does you mind the look in your eye? You're not even joking.

55:29

No. Absolutely not. Well, I I love this. That's

55:33

Yeah. It's my life. It's been my whole life.

55:36

And if Luca can have a great

55:38

life life as well,

55:40

then then I'll support

55:42

that. Well, Yeah. And it has been such a pleasure to have you on the podcast.

55:44

Thank you very much for your time, and

55:46

I hope you've enjoyed reliving some

55:48

of I do love it. I

55:50

like the

55:52

questions or me think about it

55:54

and makes me relearn some stuff. It's nice. Thank

55:56

you. Thanks for your time. Thank you.

56:01

And

56:05

Jan really would sell his house to help

56:08

Luca get on his way. Such

56:10

is his passion for motorsport and for his family.

56:12

What a brilliant racing dad

56:13

he must be, but there are so

56:15

many take home messages from

56:17

this chat. First, I

56:19

feel Jan's story highlights the many potential

56:22

pitfalls for young drivers

56:24

trying to make it in formula one, especially

56:26

when you have larger than life

56:28

figures like Ron Dennis and Jackie Stewart making the big

56:30

decisions. It's a really tough

56:32

environment in which to excel. And

56:34

Jan gave so

56:36

much detail about his time at frustrations

56:38

that came with it. And what about his description

56:40

of racing in NASCAR? It's

56:44

like a bar brawl with furniture being thrown around.

56:47

Just brilliant. Jan, many thanks

56:49

for your time. It was great to catch up

56:51

and best of luck in

56:53

the gulf twelve hours with Kevin in

56:56

December. As ever, please send in your

56:58

thoughts and stories on Jan. Did you see

57:00

him race? how much did you

57:02

rate him? Let me know at

57:04

Tom Clark's and f one on Twitter. I'll

57:06

use the hashtag F1B on the grid

57:08

and I'll read out some of your thoughts

57:10

and stories at the end of next week's show, which of course

57:12

segues into what you sent in after last

57:14

week with Nick DeVries,

57:16

Holland's newest f

57:18

one racer. what a star Nick is, and you guys all seem

57:20

to recognize that. Let's start

57:22

with this from Trevor Thompson. I

57:24

think slower

57:26

path to Formula One has added a maturity to Nick that

57:28

will be a big asset

57:29

next year. My

57:30

memory is that Abu Dhabi twenty nineteen

57:33

joining in with a Dutch

57:34

fans doing a dance

57:36

from the Yasmina pits after

57:38

he

57:38

won the f two championship. He'll

57:40

have plenty of support and he

57:42

really deserves his chance in Formula Well,

57:45

I agree with you, Trevor. He comes across as really mature and that

57:47

will help him navigate this

57:49

crazy world of formula

57:52

one. Next, Let's hear the

57:54

thoughts of the formation chat

57:56

podcast. Love this episode they

57:58

say, particularly hearing about how

58:00

he's his own manager. I was at

58:02

Monza earlier this year and it was so

58:04

exciting to see Nick on his debut.

58:06

We were rooting for him to get an f one

58:08

seat and were sure that after that

58:10

amazing race, he'd do it.

58:12

And you were right, guys. It was

58:14

a truly great debut.

58:16

One of the highlights of the season

58:18

for me and thank you very much for getting in touch.

58:20

Finally, let's go to Steve.

58:22

Wow. He says great episode with

58:24

Nick DeVries. What an

58:26

easygoing, no ez and grace is kind of

58:28

going. I love hearing about his

58:30

experiences both inside and outside the

58:32

Formula One paddock, and I'm

58:34

glad his father has been fully behind

58:36

him throughout. Good luck in

58:38

twenty twenty three and beyond. Well, thanks for

58:40

the notes Steve. And one of the highlights of that conversation with

58:42

Nick was indeed him talking about

58:44

the journey that he's been on with his

58:48

father so much passion flows between them. It's

58:50

just lovely. Well, we'll leave it there for

58:52

messages this week and thank you to

58:54

everyone who got

58:56

in touch. and please remember to send in your thoughts and stories about Jan

58:58

Magnuson in time for next week's

59:00

show. If you've got time to listen to

59:02

something else,

59:04

Why not make it a magnificent double build? I had a

59:06

brilliant chat with Kevin earlier this season

59:08

in which he explained why

59:10

he had no fear when making his

59:13

formal one comeback, and it makes for a

59:15

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