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even washington

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this we got face the nation as the legal

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trouble for former president trump and some

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of his key allies mouth his grip

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on the the have a hard time leading

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up to the did some a left in

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, newest instalment of his late summer

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drama the john authorize

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that search warrant given us the i permission

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to seize classified material for mister trump's

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home and mara lock off now

0:25

says he's inclined to make of with some

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of the information and the affidavit just

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a a the justice

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department's objects is releasing any they're

0:34

working pretexts will

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talk with the top republican on the house

0:38

how it it's committee mike turner is

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one of many lawmakers who want to know more about

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those man , try

0:45

to decipher is a legal challenge isn't

0:47

at least thirty federal state

0:49

and congressional investigations and lawsuits

0:52

involving the the

0:54

it's back to school to education

0:57

secretary miguel cardona talking

0:59

about the challenges facing our nation's school

1:01

children including teachers who are

1:03

just across the country setbacks

1:07

plus former white house coronavirus

1:09

response course didn't rehearse

1:11

return weigh in on the most

1:13

change

1:15

moving on to the miserable much

1:18

as brother

1:18

that climate

1:21

, because healthcare costs reduce

1:23

taxes on corporations corporations

1:25

the run was run the finish

1:28

line lohberg will line lohberg

1:31

not move and would not

1:33

give it his dad would deliver results

1:35

for the american people will voters

1:37

see that one is senate republican

1:39

leader mitch mcconnell has a reality check

1:42

is probably a blade realizing the

1:44

house worse saw

1:47

some register just different of stay

1:49

was found

1:53

, following as want to do with

1:55

the of us will take a look at why

1:57

he's saying that with our political them

2:17

the morning

2:19

and welcome to face the nation i met o'keeffe

2:22

will see margaret in a moment but i'm helping

2:24

around today's she's dealing with a situation

2:26

that's all too familiar for every parent

2:29

caring for six

2:31

they played summer morning americans are

2:33

looking ahead to the for kids are going

2:35

back to school the politics

2:37

leading into the midterm elections are heating

2:40

get the that and a moment but we begin

2:42

with margaret's interview with education secretary

2:44

me go for don't he spoke to him

2:47

early the morning here mister

2:49

secretary

2:50

in morning

2:51

if is it a busy time of year for

2:53

you no doubt our president biden

2:55

said america students are on

2:57

average two to four months behind

3:00

in reading and in math because

3:02

the pandemic now we also

3:04

have this teacher shortage and in some

3:06

states like missouri a number of different

3:08

or shortening the school week to just four

3:11

days how much additional

3:13

learn and loss will happen because of

3:15

nord it first of all i'm excited

3:17

about the beginning of the school year this is a year full

3:19

of promise and opportunities for students

3:21

who have for the last two years put

3:24

up with too much and on thanks

3:26

to the american rescue plan the dollars are there to

3:28

make sure that we can open up our schools ah

3:31

with sufficient educators are

3:33

, in more not less so when i hear

3:35

reports of our district shortening up

3:37

there weeks i concerns me or students

3:40

are need additional support they need smaller

3:42

class sizes they need tutors a need after school programs

3:45

so let's use the american rescue

3:47

plan got dollars to bring back retired

3:49

teachers to work with universities

3:52

to make sure that our student teachers are starting a little bit earlier

3:55

into their profession aren't using the

3:57

dollars that would put forth by the federal government

3:59

it's important returns get more this year not less

4:02

the americans have pumped billions of

4:05

taxpayer dollars over the past three years into

4:07

school through emergency programs you mentioned

4:09

one of them can

4:11

the federal government's force governors

4:13

to reallocate those financing how do you

4:16

actually get governors to do with you're asking them

4:18

to do

4:18

well you know it's not really about

4:20

forcing it's about working with them but let's

4:22

face it us this teacher shortage

4:25

is a symptom of something that's been going on for

4:27

longer than the pandemic and that's us or to

4:29

to respect issue of the endless were

4:31

serious about providing competitive

4:33

salaries for our educators better working

4:35

conditions ah so that they can continued

4:38

growth

4:38

it really just about salary

4:40

it's definitely not just about salaries

4:43

but let let's think back last couple years

4:45

in our educators have bent over backwards or

4:47

we went from totally in person learning

4:49

to remote learning overnight yet

4:52

, pandemic really pushed many of these

4:54

educators out of the profession because

4:57

in many cases you know educators

4:59

were not ah be respected

5:01

when schools had to close i created

5:04

some tensions in our schools we need to make

5:06

sure we're supporting our educators giving them educators giving

5:08

conditions where the fields are

5:10

connected to the community and feel supported

5:12

in the work that they're doing critically important

5:14

work

5:15

but in the meantime it's a matter of

5:17

what's best for students and i want to ask you

5:19

we are seeing districts and change

5:22

the qualification though

5:24

that instructors can be there in

5:26

class at oklahoma eliminated

5:29

a general education has certification

5:31

requirements arizona now allows

5:33

people without a college degree to

5:35

begin teaching before they graduate

5:38

in illinois people can teach in a classroom

5:40

was just ninety hours of college

5:42

education this look

5:45

mr secretary like the standards

5:48

and quality of american educate

5:50

the are being lowered

5:52

right you know and

5:54

it's unfortunate or soon as need more now not

5:56

less and while i understand that

5:58

there are issues getting qualified

6:01

educator and the classroom we've

6:03

been working really closer with our states to give

6:06

them not only the resources but the ideas on how

6:08

to help ah address the short

6:10

term issue and cent of i deal with three

6:12

more times i second i

6:16

do not support laureen any standards

6:18

for qualifications with teachers i think we need to be creative

6:21

and how we get the teacher sense for example

6:23

student teaching is four months of ah

6:26

teaching without pay i

6:28

think we should use a american rescue plan dollars to

6:31

get student teachers and give them a salary many

6:33

people are leaving the profession or

6:36

it's training the profile as training programs

6:38

for the profession or because he cannot afford

6:40

four months of teaching without salary on

6:43

i think we need to raise the bar on making

6:45

sure teachers are getting paid what they're do

6:47

you know the teaching profession are

6:49

college graduates earn on average

6:52

thirty three percent less than other

6:54

college educated programs

6:57

are other college educated jobs that

6:59

that's unacceptable in the last twenty five years

7:02

ah when you adjust for inflation

7:05

teachers have made only twenty nine dollars more

7:07

and he did twenty five years ago we

7:09

need to do better there and that will address

7:11

some of these shortages are you looking at

7:14

targeted debt relief student debt relief

7:16

for those teachers who are in

7:18

programs like you just mentioned

7:20

certainly you know the public service loan forgiveness programs

7:23

is up and running we we provided a waiver

7:25

for one year to widen the net of

7:27

people that can take advantage of that salts for those

7:29

of you who are listening student a dot

7:32

gov check out to see if

7:34

you're eligible now for ah

7:36

student loan relief if you're public servants

7:39

and you've worked for ten years he should

7:41

have your loans forgiven we want to make the process

7:43

simpler spore also focusing on making

7:46

sure the loan forgiveness that we're providing

7:48

goes to those folks who have been are

7:50

taking advantage of by their institutions all

7:52

total margaret thirty two billion dollars since

7:55

day one of this administration and loan cancellations

7:57

for those who either has total permanent

8:00

ability those who have been taken advantage of either

8:02

our institutions of higher education are

8:04

not slowing down we want to make sure that colleges

8:07

more accessible and more affordable for

8:09

americans across the country

8:11

the decision for us then i'm like what's

8:14

going to happen at the end of this month for family budgeting

8:16

and terms of us whether there

8:18

will be a suspension of similar student at program

8:21

sure i don't have a decision for you today but

8:23

what i will tell you that daily were having conversations

8:25

about as an american fossil here

8:27

before ah the under the

8:30

we'd both the superintendent of los

8:32

angeles school district just

8:34

last sunday and he told

8:36

us that there are roughly ten to twenty

8:38

thousand children who are just simply

8:41

missing

8:42

no idea where they want and how

8:44

widespread is the problem

8:46

of of lost children in

8:49

american school system

8:51

you know into it's concern

8:53

not only los angeles but in

8:55

other parts , our country in

8:57

particular our urban centers where we

9:00

know the pandemic ah impacted

9:02

urban centers or whether density

9:04

is is higher higher families moved

9:07

out of our cities our the

9:09

work that i see happening across the country

9:11

them really products is the work where districts

9:13

are now hiring folks to work at community

9:16

liaison family liaisons where they're

9:18

knocking on doors finding students bringing them

9:20

back into the classroom ring gauging them on

9:23

it is an issue oftentimes is not just education

9:25

in the families fallen on hard times or

9:28

they have they've had lost in their families so

9:30

providing support that they need is

9:32

something that we're encouraging is something to do and

9:35

i'm will for to getting wilson's back and no

9:37

family back to the classroom

9:38

when i thought to few months ago you pointed

9:40

out the drop in enrollment specifically

9:43

of the youngest americans kindergarteners

9:45

preschoolers i

9:47

, that the cdc has loosened

9:50

some of the guidelines for schools

9:53

when it comes to pull that health

9:56

guidance each district decides

9:59

it's on policy

10:00

right now we are seeing covered spread

10:02

we are seeing monkey pox spread among

10:04

children why isn't the by

10:06

demonstration hosting town

10:08

hall informing people more

10:11

directly instead of having

10:13

a very confusing and changing cdc

10:15

guidelines

10:16

you know as a father myself

10:18

my children's safety

10:21

is my priority and it's the

10:23

priority for me that all students

10:26

, safe and and can go to school healthy

10:28

that's why we've been fighting from day one are

10:30

to increase x and a son efforts to

10:33

make sure that the schools have the tools

10:35

for the mitigation strategies that they need that

10:37

we have information ah last week

10:39

i spoke to doctor will and skyn doctors often

10:42

the white house about this

10:44

upcoming school and we feel very optimistic that

10:46

it's gonna be a great year that family shouldn't be worried

10:48

right now about monkey pox and

10:50

that we have the tools that we need to

10:52

get soon as vaccination i'm to keep

10:55

them safe in our schools i want our families thinking

10:57

about how this year's going to be year's better year than last year

10:59

we have better tools have resources and

11:02

we should expect a better school your first tunes in

11:04

our family

11:05

secretary i think we

11:07

all hope for that thank you for your time

11:10

thank you face the nation we

11:12

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11:19

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11:28

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11:32

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11:34

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11:46

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11:50

two or three months ago he was a concrete

11:53

facts that democrats were going to get from release

11:55

you say obama for a select and twenty

11:58

twenty two midterms spots

11:59

exchange were getting stuff done you look

12:02

at the inflation reduction act major

12:04

to quote a former vice president who's out

12:06

of the president that's a be a fee and

12:08

will just leave it as leave it at the for more

12:10

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12:13

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12:18

last week the head of the centers for disease

12:20

control doctor russia will lenski announced a

12:22

complete systemic overhaul of the agency's

12:25

sunning it's botched covered response more

12:27

on those proposals and other on going viral

12:30

outbreaks margaret spoke earlier were doctor

12:32

deborah burke's a former cdc

12:34

officials who service corona virus

12:36

response coordinator under former presidents

12:39

the money that covered more

12:42

in a my great great to be with you you

12:45

, this was an incredible acknowledgement

12:48

by the cdc director just a few

12:50

days ago about the agency

12:53

that she runs and doctor once

12:55

he said to cdc

12:57

employees to be frank quote

12:59

we are responsible for some pretty

13:02

dramatic some public mistakes

13:04

and testing to dot as communications

13:07

this as communications watershed moment

13:09

and she outlined the proposed

13:11

changes to institutional culture

13:14

ah accountability communication

13:16

timeliness the you agree

13:19

doctor when her diagnosis

13:21

the girl that she had to mcrae

13:23

and good this work because a lot

13:25

of directors would have just tried

13:28

to tweet

13:29

tweaking the agency at this point

13:31

with not gonna be successful this is an

13:33

inflection plants and they have to be approved

13:35

tell by the hhs secretary

13:37

me do you think that it is enough

13:40

for a bureaucracy to try to fix itself

13:43

or just congress need to step in

13:45

and legislate here what

13:47

a certain things the congress needs to do

13:50

and the number one thing is this stop

13:52

trying to create a parallel data that

13:54

some aren't in my many countries

13:57

the public health system and

13:58

clinical fit them or one

13:59

in our country they have this separate

14:02

and it has failed us back in january

14:04

twenty twenty one when we spoke i remember you

14:06

saying ah you didn't trust

14:09

the cdc dot as that you are getting during

14:11

the trump administration's so

14:13

a starter wilensky saying

14:15

that this is a problem how

14:17

does he actually six said are you

14:20

saying that the government

14:22

can't do it alone that it needs private

14:24

industry to step in mmm

14:28

the way we were able to get the data first

14:30

and foremost in march of twenty

14:32

two honey all of our data that i

14:34

used to warn americans as who

14:36

was at risk for severe disease hospitalization

14:39

and death came from

14:40

european call

14:41

that in itself be

14:44

an indictment of our system secondly

14:47

, reporting was coming and extraordinary

14:50

slow from hospital through a system that

14:52

cdc had created and

14:54

i know this created controversy but for

14:56

three months i asked the cdc to fix

14:58

it system and develop a partnership

15:00

with clinics and hospitals and laboratories

15:02

and they wouldn't and said that's why

15:05

i saw the hospitals to start reporting

15:07

and they did in so i think sometimes

15:10

we hold ourselves the

15:12

private sector is willing to help

15:14

us another issue i've had with the cdc

15:17

has asked them over and them again if you're going to issued

15:19

guidance like the five days

15:21

and returned to work in a mass show

15:23

the data transparently that

15:25

you utilize to come the that decision

15:28

the baby when american saw that was a

15:30

very small number that

15:33

they would end really reconsidered

15:35

those guidelines and so you really need

15:37

the information americans are smart

15:39

they can process the information

15:41

give them all of the data

15:43

the to pick up on what you just said you

15:45

are saying that the current cdc

15:48

guidance of being able

15:50

to return to work after five days

15:52

if you wear a mask is

15:54

based on flawed data

15:56

a bullet it the base of what we

15:58

call and madison

15:59

the new data

16:01

rather than all americans we've

16:03

had millions and millions of infections

16:05

and we could have tracked americans over

16:08

that time period we could have said but

16:10

kept on day three to sunday six

16:13

to sunday night they would have

16:15

seen that the and his interest with still

16:17

positive in most cases

16:19

out and nine ten and i'll laugh and

16:21

and we have to assume until we

16:23

have better data that you're infectious

16:25

if your image and tested positive and

16:28

so we had and i think this is the problem

16:30

i have a sudden i felt why wouldn't

16:33

somebody

16:34

why would the cdc do that are you suggesting

16:37

that there is a it's a

16:39

concern here due to the workers orders workers political

16:41

interference why would they tell

16:43

people that return to work if there's no way

16:45

they'd actually have cleared the virus within

16:47

a short period of time

16:49

they definitely were

16:50

the workers direct shortage

16:52

the i think when we have that happen

16:55

we'd have to be very clear we can say

16:58

to people we think you're you're still

17:00

setting some virus and that's why we're telling

17:02

you to wear a mask it and a

17:04

crude indication that you're still strutting

17:07

virus is your amazon chat

17:09

and that we're really not using the tools

17:11

that we have to ensure americans

17:14

combos survive and then thrive and

17:16

we do have tools we have so many better

17:18

tools now

17:20

what i raised political interference

17:22

with as as you know what during the trump administration

17:25

i'm at and you felt some of this i was one of the criticism

17:27

but when it comes to the cdc that

17:29

advise mean if you go through it and

17:32

some people may protect we we had field

17:34

hospitals in the middle of central park and

17:36

refrigerator trucks moving dead bodies

17:40

we've , a long way here but

17:42

the cdc guidelines en masse

17:44

was wrong it was wrong when it came

17:46

to this test they were trying to create

17:48

and deploy they were telling people to take their temperature

17:51

not realizing there is a since i'm addicts

17:53

community spread are

17:55

we at the point where you cannot rebuild

17:58

public trust me the agency

18:00

worth reform

18:01

what a way to rebuild public

18:04

trust is be transparent and

18:06

i think that's in the reports on

18:08

better data better an ability

18:10

better transparent the what they

18:12

also have to believe in this gets sick

18:14

what's your p peace

18:16

people can understand

18:18

complicated issues it's your job

18:21

as a public health official as

18:23

what public in public health means your

18:25

job is to take complex

18:28

situations and data and create

18:30

and grass so that people

18:33

can understand why you are

18:35

making those recommendations those

18:38

recommendations are created out of lack

18:40

of transparency and out of a black

18:42

box where you can't really follow the logic

18:45

is what leads to fracturing interest

18:47

and you really have to work to reestablish

18:50

that it can be done but they

18:52

have to change how they collect data

18:54

how they present data and how they communicate

18:57

to the

18:57

american people

18:59

i when ask you that monkey pox it was

19:01

first detected in may in this

19:03

country now the public health emergency

19:05

and there are reports of it's spreading among children

19:08

particularly in the state of new york right now

19:11

as parents send their kids back to school

19:13

what do they need to now

19:15

i think well it is was so disturbing

19:18

to me about monkey pox is

19:20

a lot of the issues that got us

19:22

into the ditch with cove that were repeated

19:24

those mistakes were repeated with monkey pox

19:27

not adequate testing early on

19:29

not making test available in every community

19:32

that you know was a risk i mean we had the

19:34

road map of who lives at risk we should

19:36

have immediately made it past available

19:38

through the gay and bisexual network they are very

19:41

responsible people they're very knowledgeable

19:43

about they will

19:45

accept them preventing disease because they've been

19:47

doing it for decades this is a highly

19:50

informed groups if they had communicated

19:53

to that group as they have provided testing

19:55

if they have provided back seems to

19:57

all of them in may

20:00

wouldn't have this problem in august and

20:02

so five months is gone by just

20:04

like what happened with cove that lack of preparation

20:07

lack of engage man lack

20:09

of utilization of the tools that we had

20:12

in real time to prevent

20:14

this fourteen thousand and probably as

20:16

well over twenty thousand now and

20:18

remember right

20:21

yeah skin to skin but it can also

20:23

be spread through clothing and lemon

20:25

and so that meets have to tell people

20:28

if you had any kind of lesion please

20:30

get tested because you

20:32

can spread it unknowingly to your

20:34

household you can spread and unknowingly

20:37

to your family members you can spread it unknowingly

20:39

to your friends and two children

20:42

and i'm worried about on launch day care

20:44

facilities because it could

20:47

me off is spread in long term care facilities

20:50

because of wandering we should know right now

20:52

is a monkey pox killed in cold

20:54

water or do you need to wash

20:56

the clothing and everything and hot water

20:58

enemies are practical solutions

21:00

as an american people

21:02

dr berg thank you for your time this morning

21:06

lady margaret always good to see you

21:08

fears of nuclear catastrophe or amounting

21:10

and eastern europe as moscow and cave accuse

21:12

each other or selling a nuclear power

21:15

plant and southeastern ukraine the largest

21:17

such plans on the time cbs

21:19

news senior foreign correspondent trolley dagger

21:21

is in ukraine

21:22

with more

21:24

black smoke rises above the russian navy

21:26

headquarters in crimea hiring

21:29

drone strike is the latest in a string of high

21:31

profile attacks penetrating air

21:33

defenses deep within receive held

21:35

territory more fighting has been

21:37

reported is a zapper reason nuclear

21:39

power plants as russia and ukraine

21:42

allow inspectors from the nuclear watchdog

21:44

i ea access to the complex

21:48

nearly six months since the russian

21:50

invasion began we visited

21:52

the scenes of some of the worst fighting worst fighting

21:54

early days of the war the airfield

21:56

that hostility outskirts is t

21:58

were outnumbered ukraine the forces fought

22:00

off elite russian paratroopers

22:03

intent on taking it over

22:05

the extraordinary amounts of damage

22:08

hitter tells the story of the four

22:10

roses firefight that took

22:12

place at this airfield a

22:14

battle that would prove critical

22:17

in the fight for the capital itself

22:20

back , early march the children

22:22

summer camp near buddha where we found

22:25

terrified deputy director tatiana

22:28

sheltering elderly residents please

22:31

help us now

22:40

we , go down where we found

22:42

the elderly and young children hiding

22:45

out even as thunderous explosions rang

22:47

out the other we

22:50

found tatiana again alive

22:53

and well as we also

22:56

have to do

22:59

and

23:01

think you everyday

23:03

reminder

23:08

really good

23:11

way

23:11

and the fantasy survive

23:14

the you night when you're yes

23:17

as at morning and say i decide

23:19

is as it is nice too

23:21

the out

23:22

the

23:26

the your help i think this whole

23:29

and tried to algae i didn't do much

23:30

now you have the

23:32

same than life

23:33

she said they were rescued the very next

23:36

morning as russian sources close

23:38

then let other residential neighborhoods

23:40

just like this are still getting

23:43

slapped and in a pan of russia's

23:45

grinding military offensive and

23:47

you please fight back where's territory

23:50

gained and lost is measured

23:52

not in miles but be

23:55

and there aren't many happy endings

23:57

for those caught in the middle

24:01

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24:03

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24:43

him this morning for margaret brennan we turn now

24:45

to the f b i search of former president trump's

24:48

for the rhythm ohio congress

24:50

and mike turner's the top republican on the house

24:52

intelligence committee new joins us as warning from

24:54

dayton ohio congressman great to have you

24:56

with the thank you for being here are this past week

24:58

afford a federal judge asked the

25:00

justice department of prepare a redacted

25:03

version the as of the affidavit

25:05

that set off the f b i operation that the

25:07

former presidents home singling he may

25:10

be willing to release of as early as this coming week

25:12

the affidavits aren't usually made

25:15

public during an investigation so as to not

25:17

impede the investigation i'm curious

25:19

what level of disclosure

25:21

would satisfy the demand for the release of the affidavit

25:23

in your view

25:25

this is by reveal does a court has already

25:28

made a ruling that they believe in the member

25:30

the court knows what's in the affidavit the

25:32

portions of the affidavit can be released to

25:34

the public now what's important about this affidavit

25:37

this will give us the information to understand

25:39

how did the f b i justify

25:42

a rating my largo in spending nine hours

25:44

in the president's house or when we know

25:46

the former presidents home they had other

25:48

options besides just raiding the

25:50

house they could have gone and ask for the subpoena

25:53

to be enforced and the mystery sort

25:55

of your deepens because we know attorney general

25:57

garland himself has taken responsibly

25:59

said here that an american

26:01

public what the attorney general focused on issues

26:03

like the human in drug smuggling

26:06

at the border they would chinese espionage

26:08

of out out of control crime

26:10

in our cities but if it's if if you're

26:12

going to turn to this begin to turn to the for president

26:15

more largo they want to make certain that this is to the

26:17

high from there's an eminent national security

26:19

threat and this affidavit will tell us isn't

26:21

even alleged so because in their documents

26:24

trying to keep the affidavit seal

26:26

they didn't even allege that there was a national security threat

26:28

we should point out is a pull out this morning at another news

26:30

organization the finds almost six in ten americans

26:33

actually support continuing this investigation

26:35

so while there may be other big issues there certainly

26:38

wide public interest in this

26:39

you're an attorney

26:41

why would really think any information

26:43

and this affidavit make sense and the sure the former

26:45

president that only a fair

26:47

investigation by the justice department potentially

26:50

for gets to that they're try

26:53

why pick a in or near citing polls

26:55

and there lots of pulls out there by the way the polls

26:57

also indicate the people wanna make certain that

27:00

that if this is an eminent national security threat

27:02

or that is pursued but also they want to make certain

27:04

that you don't have abuse of discretion

27:07

here and what our concern is from our committee

27:09

is there's an an allegation of classified

27:11

documents or falls within our jurisdiction

27:14

and show us what you found to be

27:16

affidavits going to have them tell publicly

27:18

now what they told the court there were going to go

27:20

find show us what you found it certainly

27:23

won't affect the investigation we deal with classified

27:25

documents informational a time show

27:27

us what it is that you went into presidents

27:30

have been the residents but nine hours

27:32

at the a former president trump's resins what

27:34

is it that was at at a imminent national

27:36

security threat that you didn't just go to court and ask

27:38

the court to step order that the documents

27:40

be delivered to them why did they spend nights

27:43

i just think of the resources of thirty

27:45

agents that spent nine hours in the preparation

27:47

for that's when we have real eminent national

27:49

security threats like chinese espionage the

27:52

border issues that do things that

27:54

are going on in ukraine to take these

27:56

resources imply i'm here certainly the american

27:58

public wants to make certain this isn't an abuse

27:59

this rush what i'm i'm curious since

28:02

you remember the intelligence committee would use

28:04

could a former president have

28:06

or

28:07

classified or top secret information once

28:10

you've left in office why why bring it home with them

28:12

before

28:13

why do i don't know i mean you have to ask

28:15

him but certainly we all know that every

28:17

former president has access to other

28:20

documents it's how they ride their memoirs they don't

28:22

have acts in open great recall

28:24

and everything it's a gardener ministrations and we don't

28:26

know that they were at the their class

28:29

i'll be no according to the f b i documents

28:31

that they were they were identified

28:33

, more more you

28:35

have of course the former president saying they to classify

28:37

themselves my think what's important here by

28:39

the sub use discretion we have evidence

28:41

of the f b i abusing that discretion

28:44

and of misconduct on be her behalf of the of

28:46

the idea of be i've been we had

28:48

an attorney for the for b i that actually was

28:50

convicted of doctoring an email

28:52

to obtain email warrant against of the

28:54

against trump those and trump's organization

28:57

you have the i'm at

28:59

the f b i using the russia dossier

29:02

or which has been proven to been debunked

29:04

as the evidence under a warrant

29:06

that they submitted both all of which

29:08

cbs has reported my him up on my website your

29:10

own stories of these abuses stories discretion

29:13

and the other question that we have is is

29:15

just recently are there was are raid

29:17

on project veritas which is veritas news organization

29:20

to supposedly retrieve

29:22

president biden daughter's direct now that's

29:24

that's certainly an imminent national security threat

29:26

of might be embarrassing to the president but

29:29

it's not something you'd see them do for an ordinary citizens

29:31

they're real questions as what is the

29:33

f b i doing here it's the it's

29:35

your the rank and file f b i agents everybody

29:38

agrees in a week we support them we have

29:40

great faith in them but the leadership of the f b i

29:42

when they undertake a raid against the

29:44

current president's political rival you

29:46

have to ask the splash real quick are you aware of any

29:48

standing order from president trump odd

29:51

that he might have had to

29:52

standing order to be classified documents

29:55

he took from the oval office to the white house residence

29:57

while he was and i have never served in the white house

29:59

i would never

29:59

have any knowledge of anything that a critical can see intelligence

30:02

committee wouldn't know whether the president had

30:04

a whether biden does whether anybody does what

30:06

he did he class like in fact we weren't even

30:08

notified when president biden declassified

30:10

on the docks the information concerning

30:12

the hunt for zawahiri and i was very surprised

30:15

the detail that they made public they're very

30:17

concerning as to how it might inform outside

30:19

and future people that were trying to start to quit i'd

30:22

no no advance knowledge or or

30:24

notice

30:25

they did not okay to quick questions for you on the future

30:27

you want to be the top republican on the house intelligence

30:29

committee next year

30:31

why think that between i've my

30:33

work on the intelligence committee is about national

30:35

security and focus your necessary and

30:38

not that's going to intend to be my book give us

30:40

a sense than a what you would investigate if

30:42

you were heavily intelligence committee and republican

30:44

state control the house we

30:46

know as i said from the beginning is what i think we

30:48

want to trade zone garland to be focusing on instead

30:51

of my largo is chinese espionage

30:53

certainly furthering how do we assist

30:55

ukraine and fighting russia aggression

30:58

are looking at ways that we look at what's

31:01

going on at the border with human and drugs

31:03

or smuggling and how it's affecting our families

31:06

of course there's always the issue of the spiraling

31:08

prime that's occurring and in our cities

31:10

and how can we impact that how can we ensure

31:13

that we have the right tools and information

31:15

about any foreign influence that might be impacting

31:17

that and as a republican in ohio

31:20

what is shady van so in some polls

31:22

is trailing right now have to do to win that

31:24

senate race and hold the see for republicans

31:27

he has to make a case by the think is doing

31:29

that his campaign very hard and numb

31:31

vienna you have your you should have much

31:33

we'd love to in fact we've asked in

31:35

there so far we haven't heard back further if he's

31:38

listening city that would love to have you might turner

31:40

we love having you will see as soon here in washington

31:42

now we're more details look at all

31:44

of the legal problem swirling around former president

31:47

donald trump were joined by ricky klieman criminal

31:49

defense lawyer and a cbs news legal analyst

31:52

and here in washington david last month former chief

31:54

of the justice department's counter intelligence and

31:56

export control sex and great to have both of you

31:58

will save and i want to begin with you

32:00

are the former head of the division

32:03

, the justice department this now led by guy named

32:05

j brat who argued in court this week regarding

32:07

the potential release of this affidavit that

32:10

it may quote she'll future cooperation

32:12

by witnesses who's assistance may be sought

32:14

is this investigation progresses as

32:17

well as in other high profile investigations

32:20

the agree with his assessment

32:21

based on my experience to the department justice

32:24

that's absolutely correct especially

32:26

the early stages of investigation the

32:28

just farmer the f b i will do everything they can

32:30

to protect the integrity confidential

32:33

law enforcement actions that are being taken

32:35

if any sense and he expects he's gonna release

32:37

at least part of this a redacted version

32:39

i think the justice department those it has

32:41

to come back to the court with a reasonable

32:44

proposal the judge signal pretty clearly

32:47

that he was truly some facets of

32:49

this affidavit and i think that apartment the f

32:51

b i or now try to come to grips with what

32:53

they can live with with regard the public disclosures

32:55

in there are some portions of the affidavit

32:57

that i think they'll be willing

32:59

the big public you just heard congress and turnover

33:01

ohio talking about the possibility of the intelligence

33:04

committee getting ready into the details

33:06

of this at some point there is a

33:08

partisan agreement that they've gotta hear something

33:10

from the justice department is just a question of when

33:13

and what exactly and how much up but

33:15

in your view is there requirement the

33:17

justice department of f b i to do that at all

33:20

there's no requirement look at me there's or does

33:22

your sometimes classic collisions between two

33:24

cord the branches of government does seem to

33:26

be premature the congress to be sticking

33:29

its nose into an ongoing criminal investigation

33:31

that with is is it just because it implicates

33:33

classified information to me doesn't

33:35

seem to give a platform for the house intelligence

33:37

committee to intrude at this time because it could unspool

33:40

in a way where the information you share

33:42

with them is leads and then the investigations

33:44

compromise his ability to have a fair trial and be

33:46

counted i haven't you're trying to create a kind of a carnival

33:48

atmosphere under , patina

33:50

of of the exercise of congress's constitutional

33:53

authority to conduct investigations ricky

33:55

to you at allen why

33:57

so bird the former long time chief financial

33:59

off

33:59

the trump organisation especially pleaded guilty

34:02

to fifteen counts of fraud and tax evasion

34:04

this part of the scheme to receive more than one

34:07

point seven million dollars and off the books

34:09

perks and compensation from the trump

34:11

organisation important point out the for

34:13

president hasn't been charged as part of the civil

34:15

case but based on what you

34:17

know about this case what we've seen so far is

34:20

there any legal risk at this point to

34:22

a member of the trump fan

34:26

there is hardly any

34:29

legal risk because of the fact

34:31

that the plea of l a way

34:33

for berg is against the trump organisation

34:36

which really means that trump corporations

34:39

and the trump pay roll corporation

34:41

and had to do with the fact that he received

34:44

parks to as you say one

34:46

point seven million dollars over a period

34:48

of years the plea bargain seems

34:50

abundantly clear he is testifying

34:53

against entities not

34:55

and if is so much focus

34:57

in the past two weeks on the morrow lago operation

35:00

this why so were guilty plea this past week but

35:02

i know you believe that it's

35:04

what's going down in georgia

35:05

there's potentially most legally risky for the

35:08

for president correct

35:11

there is no doubt in my mind

35:13

that the most risk to

35:15

the former president is in fact

35:18

the georgia investigation and

35:20

one of the reasons i say that is

35:22

because it has intensified

35:24

in terms of the number of witnesses

35:27

that the district attorney is calling before

35:29

this special investigative grand jury

35:32

but also the fact that should not be overlooked

35:35

is that donald trump has hired one

35:37

of the best criminal defense lawyers

35:39

in the country in the person

35:41

i'm from finland you're fiddling with

35:43

a past president of the national association

35:46

of criminal defense lawyers he is based

35:48

in atlanta he knows how

35:51

work with

35:52

in the system ethically and proper

35:54

lace and these fierce so

35:56

when we look at this particular said

35:58

the way shadows

35:59

giuliani called to testify

36:02

last week we have no idea nor should

36:04

we have any idea in a secret proceeding

36:07

what he said or if he took

36:09

the fifth amendment at any point in time

36:11

this week lindsey graham is

36:13

set to testify on tuesday

36:16

unless the eleventh circuit

36:18

issues as say and buys

36:20

into his argument that

36:22

his of phone calls involving

36:25

this election and twenty twenty and

36:27

the results when he wanted

36:29

allegedly to say that they

36:32

should look into the mail and balance

36:34

and perhaps there were many of the mailing ballads

36:36

said had faulty signatures and

36:38

his communications with donald trump

36:41

would be the focus of this particular

36:43

a special grand jury and that he

36:46

wants to say well know that was within my duties

36:48

within the speech and debate claws were

36:50

going to see what the eleventh circuit has to say about

36:52

that but i expect lindsey graham

36:54

is going to have to testify this

36:57

engineering is investigate volley

36:59

they can issue a report that

37:02

would tell the district attorney at a later

37:04

point in time whether or not

37:06

she does have reason to indict

37:08

probable cause to indict any

37:10

of the players including donald trump

37:13

and

37:14

the often in terms of the operational

37:16

mara lago at this point how concerned

37:18

should any current or former staff

37:21

or the front former president their be

37:23

concerned about legal exposure

37:26

well being edited any individuals who are

37:28

involved in removing classified

37:30

information from the white house

37:32

in the waning moments of the trump administration

37:34

taken them tomorrow lago knowingly keeping

37:37

the mirror to police are not authorized to be there's

37:39

potential criminal jeopardy depending on all the facts

37:42

and circumstances that investigation

37:44

verse

37:46

on the statues reference in the search warrant

37:48

is the espionage act in an issue

37:51

in principle as a provision that makes it a crime

37:53

to willfully retain national

37:55

defense information in

37:58

fact of these were highly classified the with

38:00

as high as top secret code words

38:03

makes it pretty clear to me the present has potential

38:06

jeopardy here compounded by what appeared

38:08

to be deliberate misrepresentations

38:10

by the present or his team to the

38:12

government about whether class when information

38:14

remained admiral ago and hence

38:17

the obstruction statute reference to the

38:19

search will

38:20

ricky you've been at this for a a long

38:22

time tracking legal cases of all sorts

38:24

all across the country

38:26

have you ever seen anyone they

38:29

thing more than a dozen legal

38:31

civil congressional investigations

38:34

at one time what is

38:36

it like being an attorney for someone like that they

38:38

have competing compounding legal

38:41

concerns and interests

38:45

i have never seen this many investigations

38:47

happening all at the same time

38:49

some in a breeder

38:52

sages and and lesser sages

38:54

and but if you are an attorney for donald

38:56

trump you are well advised

38:59

to separate each one

39:01

and decide where you're going to devote

39:03

your energies donald trump it

39:05

appears has been hiring lawyers

39:08

from different places so one

39:10

lawyer does not have all of the responsibility

39:13

but this this a good

39:16

time for donald trump at

39:18

least as if he thinks said

39:20

everything is coming in upon him

39:23

however we also know sad

39:25

donald trump enjoys the

39:27

chaos and we will see what happens

39:30

in terms of his our

39:32

decision if he is going to run or

39:34

not and twenty twenty

39:35

he sure we'll ricky klieman cbs

39:38

news legal analysts they were laughlin former justice

39:40

department official thank you both for being here and

39:42

will be right back we

39:44

want to turn now to a campaign twenty two

39:46

are robert costa is on the campaign trail

39:48

atlanta this morning and the editor in chief the

39:50

cook political report amy walter good friend

39:52

face the nation's also here with us good morning to both

39:55

of you and me i want to start with you and

39:57

something that the want us to for staff ron klain

39:59

said this the about the current state of the presidency

40:01

and the democratic party ticklish

40:05

we don't have a presence you're the president has delivered

40:07

the largest economic recovery plan since

40:09

roosevelt the largest infrastructure plan

40:12

since eisenhower the most judges confirmed

40:14

since kennedy the second largest health care

40:16

bill since johnson and the largest

40:18

climate change bill in history according

40:21

to politico he went on to say called the first time we've

40:23

done gun control since president clinton was here

40:25

at the first time ever an african american woman from

40:27

put on the supreme court i think it's a record

40:30

to take the the american people he says are

40:32

democrats right now

40:34

sitting in a pretty good position

40:37

because of the issues and the environment

40:39

or does it has something to do the candidates

40:42

that the running in these key races across the country

40:44

the democrats are

40:46

clearly in a much better place they were then

40:48

when we were talking about things in

40:50

august of last year we are right so

40:53

certainly beyond just the accomplishments

40:55

for the white house we

40:57

also have lower gas prices and

41:00

so we're getting a little bit of relief

41:02

at least when it comes to that cost

41:04

of living issues which is gonna be important for the midterms

41:07

to me the big change as

41:09

well has been that the focus

41:11

instead of being on the

41:14

problems that were happening whether it was

41:16

democrats unable to get big pieces of

41:18

legislation done work on

41:20

the withdrawal from afghanistan which

41:22

obviously was chaotic or and

41:25

the fact that inflation

41:27

was fighting a lot of folks instead wonder

41:29

what is the focus been on it's been on january

41:32

six it's been on what's happening at

41:34

more a lot though it's been on competitive

41:36

republican primaries that have talked

41:38

a lot about donald trump and election denial

41:41

and so the camera so

41:43

to speak the media focus has been on

41:46

oh and on abortion as well whole the things

41:49

that are not great for republicans

41:51

now let's translate that into the

41:54

campaign to com republican say

41:56

that's okay we have difficult primaries

41:58

the focus has not been on the as we want to talk

42:00

about it's been hot things democrats want to talk about so

42:03

we're going to refocus back onto inflation's

42:05

the economy in biden those things will

42:07

help us win but pivoting to

42:09

those issues as candidates who have taken

42:11

position or candidates who taken positions

42:14

on election denial on donald trump

42:16

on abortions that are outside the mainstream

42:18

so republicans now have the pivot

42:21

to the center democrats are going to do

42:23

everything they can to make that hard for them

42:25

and to that point bob let's

42:27

listen to something that now minority leader

42:29

mitch mcconnell had to say about the

42:31

state senate races back in april

42:35

it a perfect storm of problems

42:39

the democrats can hockey just screw this

42:41

up it's

42:43

actually possible and

42:48

, had some experience without the perhaps

42:51

and amy's point bob they

42:53

may be having may be now with these candidates

42:55

spare

42:56

are struggling to get back to the center and talk about

42:58

other issues of bigger concern what are you hearing

43:00

from republican sources regarding the state

43:03

of these campaigns and the worry they may have

43:05

about whether they can land the plane and

43:10

when i was up at capitol hill in recent

43:12

weeks talking to republican aids republican

43:14

senators they kept talking about

43:17

twenty ten and the ghosts of twenty

43:19

ten that was the year there was

43:21

a tea party waves conservatives

43:23

on the march and many parts of the country

43:25

but republicans disappointed in the

43:27

senate race you might remember some names

43:29

like christie know donald who failed

43:31

and her senate bid in delaware kennebec

43:34

failed in his senate bid in colorado

43:36

that we later got elected to the house republicans

43:39

worry that though there you have a pretty good

43:41

shot they feel in the house the

43:43

senate because of candidates like doctor

43:45

oz and pennsylvania jd vance

43:47

in ohio who are not necessarily

43:50

catching fire other that could

43:52

not bode well for the midterms this fall

43:54

especially with the senate there's another round

43:56

of primary contests amy tuesday night

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in new york

43:59

and in florida that may give us a sense

44:02

the scope and the size of

44:04

the majority republicans couldn't join the house going

44:06

for but when elsa would be watching for something on

44:08

at actually there's a special election also

44:11

taking place in new york hudson

44:13

valley this is an open seat democrats

44:15

hold biden one it i just two

44:17

points these are the kinds of seats

44:19

that republicans organ need to win if they want

44:22

to had a big wave of we're looking

44:24

at a big waves and the to issues that

44:26

we're hearing about abortion and inflation

44:29

hudson valley than the five when it area code run

44:31

from so i'd call that god's country for

44:33

have my buddy or get saw bob real quick

44:35

or we noticed this past week a former

44:37

vice president mike pence did something

44:39

usually a presidential candidate

44:41

as they went to same and some college in new hampshire

44:44

we went to the iowa state fair with chuck grassley

44:46

and i think we have a picture this even sent flowers

44:49

the chuck grassley was what

44:52

is up with the former president what would be

44:54

his fast forward and

44:56

that he really have a theory the case

44:58

to make it this for

45:03

whether it's former vice president mike pence

45:05

or florida governor rhonda santas virginia

45:08

governor glenn young can there's

45:10

a galaxy of republican

45:12

contenders possible contenders we're looking

45:15

at twenty twenty fourth in calculating

45:17

what does it look like if trump runs

45:19

what does it look like if trump's doesn't

45:21

run or and as this point no one's

45:23

entirely sure they believe the former president

45:26

based on their own conversations and are

45:28

reporting back this up is looking hard

45:30

at a race possibly an announcement later

45:32

this summer this fall toward the winter

45:35

but if he doesn't get in for some reason

45:37

they want to be ready that's why pens

45:39

is in iowa in new hampshire he wants to have

45:41

the relationships with people like grassley

45:44

so of this is it the dynamics change in any

45:46

way see to jump in and have a foundation

45:48

having tried to rehabilitate himself

45:50

with the trump voter with his book coming

45:53

out this fall and some of these visits but

45:55

at this point there's a lot of uncertainty too

45:57

when i talked to top republicans in this country

46:00

they don't know where these investigations are going

46:02

on heading to palm beach this week you

46:04

have the affidavit battle down there between

46:06

the government and the trump lawyers because

46:09

of that uncertainty over the trump investigations

46:11

so many republicans are saying we have least

46:14

need to start lane in an informal

46:16

groundwork for a possible run

46:18

the we will see robert costa down in atlanta headed

46:20

to for to thank you and me walter the cook political report

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we thank you is always great to see you will

46:25

have coverage of the florida new york primaries on the cbs

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46:53

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46:56

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