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OBJECT IN THE SKYES OVER NORTHWESTERN

1:00

CANADA AND FIGHTER JETS ARE SCRAMBLED

1:03

FOLLOWING UP CURIOUS RADAR SICK over

1:05

Montana. What are these incursions

1:08

all about? Just one

1:10

day after US fighter jets shot

1:12

down a high altitude airborne object

1:14

over Alaska. On Saturday,

1:16

an unidentified item was taken

1:18

down over the Yukon territory of

1:21

Canada. Debris recovery

1:23

for both objects are underway as

1:25

the FBI continues its analysis

1:27

of what's left. Of that Chinese

1:30

spy balloon that was shot down a week

1:32

ago off the coast of South Carolina.

1:35

We'll talk with two key lawmakers, House

1:38

Ford Fairs committee chairman Michael McCall

1:40

and senator John Tester. Saturday

1:43

night, the military sent fighter aircraft

1:45

to investigate what it called

1:47

a radar anomaly over

1:49

tester's home state of Montana. Fresh

1:52

tration is mounting on Capitol Hill about

1:55

what's going on here and

1:57

what more we can do to head off these

1:59

intrusions. Plus, we

2:01

heard the president take on the state of the union,

2:03

but as the nation's governors convene

2:05

in Washington, we'll check-in

2:08

with four of them on the state of their

2:10

states and the challenges that they're

2:12

facing. And as the death

2:14

toll bros in Turkey and Syria,

2:16

we'll have the latest unrecovery efforts

2:19

and share our perspective on OF

2:21

THESE GLOBAL THREATS. IT'S ALL

2:23

JUST AHEAD ON FACE THE NATION.

2:38

Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.

2:40

As we come on the air, the big question

2:42

in our minds today is what is

2:45

going on here? With what seemed like a

2:47

deluge of potential incursions. What

2:49

are these objects? Where are they coming from?

2:52

What is their purpose? And are

2:54

we experiencing an increase of the so

2:56

called unidentified aerial

2:58

objects, or are we just looking

3:01

for them more carefully following

3:03

the Chinese spy balloon event. We

3:06

will do our best to try and get some

3:08

of those questions answered today. We

3:10

are going to begin with Montana senator

3:13

John Tester. Good morning to you,

3:15

senator. Good morning. So

3:18

late Saturday, NORAD and

3:20

NORTHCOM said there was a radar anomaly

3:23

over your state, which is why airspace

3:25

was closed. Was it a false

3:27

alarm or is there an object over

3:29

Montana? Well, I think the investigation is still

3:31

going on as we speak. The

3:34

truth is, is it there was an anomaly

3:36

and they've investigated. I think it got

3:38

dark last night, so they couldn't fully check

3:40

it out. And I'm sure, why as we

3:42

speak, it is being checked out right now.

3:44

It hasn't been rolled out. There may still be something

3:46

out there.

3:46

Absolutely. There may still be something out there.

3:49

It may be a false alarm. Is

3:51

the policy now to

3:53

shoot down any unidentified

3:56

object? Well, I think that's a very,

3:58

very good question and that's a better

4:00

question for general Milley, but

4:02

the truth of the matter is is that they need

4:04

to have a policy. They being the military needs

4:06

to have a policy to recommend to the president.

4:08

It's something that as as as

4:11

chairman of the defense committee and and ranking

4:13

member Collins, we've already talked about

4:15

this. We're gonna make sure that there is

4:17

a plan. We're going to make sure if that plan needs to

4:19

be funded, that it gets funded. This is what's

4:21

gone on the last two

4:23

weeks or so, ten days has been nothing

4:25

short of craziness.

4:28

And the military needs to

4:30

have a plan to not only determine

4:32

what's out there, but determine the dangers that

4:34

go with it.

4:35

So you don't know what will happen to the

4:37

subject over Montana? My guess is it'll

4:39

get shot down, but the military will

4:41

make an assessment. As to

4:43

potential collateral damage just like they did

4:46

on the Chinese

4:46

Bible. Howard Bauchner: So you have spent

4:48

time as I understand it with General Millig

4:51

to the chairman of the joint chiefs and other

4:53

DOD officials. Could

4:55

he share with you anything about this mysterious

4:58

object that was cylindrical

5:00

and floating over Canada or the car

5:02

sized one over Alaska? Well,

5:04

I think you've got what he shared with

5:06

me at that moment in time. And that they had

5:08

they had done an assessment of it

5:10

and determined that it was unmanned and determined

5:13

that

5:15

it it should be shot down because they weren't absolutely

5:17

positive that it was of no threat.

5:19

Howard Bauchner: So the object of Alaska

5:21

was near Prudeau Bay, which is one of the most

5:23

important energy fields in this country.

5:26

Yes. Does

5:26

that sound to you like it's espionage? State

5:29

driven espionage? Well,

5:30

look, I don't think things happen by

5:32

mistake when it comes to China.

5:34

You think this was China? I don't know. I

5:36

don't know that it's China. We will find out later

5:39

on if in fact it was affiliated

5:41

with the Chinese communist government or not.

5:44

But but the bottom line is is that I think

5:46

we need to take these things seriously. think the

5:48

president and I think, more importantly, the

5:50

military are taking them very very seriously.

5:53

And and to back that up,

5:55

I think through the appropriations process

5:57

and the defense committee, we're gonna make

5:59

sure that they're taking it seriously. So

6:02

The checks and balances will be there as we

6:04

move forward. But like

6:07

I said, this has been a phenomenon that we haven't

6:09

had recently. Where we've had

6:12

other countries that have went into our airspace

6:15

for the purpose of trying to gather information on

6:17

what we're doing here in the United States. You

6:20

said and you you underscored your

6:22

key role in helping to determine the budget

6:24

there for the Pentagon that you don't remember

6:26

hearing anything

6:28

that dealt with balloons. How

6:30

long has the military actually been tracking this?

6:32

Well, I mean, that's a better question

6:35

for the military. From my perspective, But

6:37

they

6:37

weren't sharing it with God. They weren't sharing it with me.

6:39

And so I can't say

6:42

what their awareness was over the last

6:44

ten years. But but

6:46

obviously, there was some awareness. But

6:49

whether it was up to where it needed to be, that's

6:51

a that's a debate that Congress needs

6:53

to have and questions that need to be answered by

6:56

our our military leadership.

6:58

You were very critical. You made that very

7:00

clear in plain spoken about the fact

7:02

that administration didn't shoot down the

7:04

confirmed Chinese by balloon over

7:07

the state of Montana. And you

7:09

wanted it shut down as soon as it was in

7:11

US airspace has your view

7:13

changed at all after you've been

7:15

briefed? Yeah. Well, so initially, I was

7:17

very much for shooting it down when it was over

7:19

the illusions. I think what transpired

7:22

was is that the military took

7:24

assessments as to potential

7:27

collateral damage and the threat of

7:29

this balloon. And, you know, we

7:31

pay these folks good money

7:33

to make sure we keep our nation safe. And

7:36

I respect their view and

7:39

and the president follow that. Going

7:42

on in the future, I think there needs to

7:44

be a plan that's right

7:46

up front. So we know exactly what's going to

7:48

happen. When these balloons come in and their

7:50

threat is assessed, what's going to happen?

7:53

But look, we I got briefed both

7:55

an open session and a classified session.

7:57

And and quite honestly, the

7:59

the military and intelligence community's explanation

8:02

of what transpired with that balloon, I

8:04

accept. Is it something that I would have

8:06

done right out right out of the shoot? No. I

8:08

I would have probably done it different, but that's not saying

8:10

that I'm right or I'm wrong or they're right

8:12

or they're wrong at the end. We ended up with

8:14

a balloon that they've recovered, and they're

8:16

going to take and put it back together and reverse

8:19

engineer it. We'll find out what they're up to, plus

8:21

the information it was gathered while it came across the

8:23

United States.

8:23

SO I HEAR YOU SAY THERE'S

8:26

VALUE IN THE THAT INTELLIGENCE. Reporter:

8:28

BUT IN TERMS OF DAMAGE, ACCORDING

8:30

TO WHAT WAS DECLACIFIED THAT CHINESE BLOOM

8:32

COULD INTERCEPT signals intelligence. It

8:34

could pick up chatter. It

8:36

hovered over some pretty key

8:38

states, locations in your

8:40

state, including one that

8:43

houses, excuse me, a hundred and fifty

8:46

intercontinental ballistic

8:47

missiles.

8:48

No doubt about that. Was there damaged

8:50

No doubt about that, and they're better not

8:52

have been damaged down or it

8:55

it makes my case for shooting a dog on thing

8:57

down over the Allusion Islands. Look, we've got

8:59

HCBMs in Montana. We've got hundred and fifty out

9:01

of miles from Air Force Base is an incredible deterrent

9:03

for this country and has been since the early sixties.

9:07

They the military made

9:09

an assessment that they wouldn't be able to gather

9:11

the information that that the military

9:13

thought was important to China. Yeah. And

9:16

if that didn't happen that way, somebody

9:18

screwed up.

9:19

You, on the issue of China, According

9:22

to the federal government, three percent of the nation's

9:24

farmland is owned by foreign investors. Yes.

9:26

You have recently introduced a

9:28

bill to try to

9:31

restrict foreign ownership of farmland. I know this is

9:33

an issue in a number of farming states. Why

9:35

do you think that needs to be a federal ban

9:37

on foreign

9:38

ownership? Well, look, I'm a farmer. I've been

9:40

farming my grandparents' land

9:42

at the homestead, and I think it's really important for

9:44

food security. The folks, this

9:47

is a ban against China, Russia, North

9:49

Korea, and Iran, folks who don't want to see

9:51

us exist anymore as a

9:52

nation. I don't think they should have

9:55

any opportunity to try to dictate our

9:57

food supply or

9:58

Any Chinese English company? Right.

10:00

Period. Done. Because they're all connected with

10:02

this company's Chinese government anyway. And

10:04

so I think it's a reasonable step to

10:06

take center rounds out of South Dakota. It does

10:08

too, so it's bipartisan. And I

10:10

think we should do it as matter of course.

10:12

And I'm all about private property rights. I think

10:15

people ought to be able to sell who they

10:17

want to sell to, but not in this

10:19

particular case because China

10:21

wants to do bad things to us, same thing with North

10:23

Korea, Russia, and Iran. So let's

10:25

let's take that off the table, both in farmland

10:28

and in agribusinesses. I think

10:30

I think it'd be a mistake. Really

10:32

a mistake for natural security and for

10:34

food security.

10:36

Senator Tester, Thank you for your time

10:38

this morning. Good to have you here in person.

10:41

And joining us now is David

10:43

Martin, our National Security Correspondent

10:46

David, you've been listening this conversation.

10:49

When you speak to the Pentagon, are they any

10:52

more clear on whether it is now established US

10:54

policy to shoot down any UFO over

10:56

North America?

10:58

I don't think they have a policy. I think

11:02

if a a balloon like or

11:04

an object like the last two Friday

11:07

and Saturday is impinging on

11:09

commercial aviation space. These both

11:11

were up at about forty thousand feet, which is

11:14

just the edge of commercial

11:17

aviation and if

11:19

you don't know what they're doing. Than

11:22

you

11:22

shoot. And that's what they did

11:24

in these two cases. It's

11:26

an expensive habit. It's an expensive

11:28

habit. And also, it may be a bad habit

11:30

because you don't wanna shoot

11:32

first and ask questions later.

11:34

Mhmm. But at

11:37

least now that they're down, we're

11:39

gonna get some answers. The

11:41

Canadian Prime Minister says he

11:43

has a ground service team at the wreckage

11:46

that went down over Canada. They

11:48

are not yet at the wreckage

11:51

that went down just off

11:53

Northern Alaska because

11:55

they're dealing with something like minus forty

11:57

five degree temperatures. But sooner

11:59

or later, we'll get the

12:02

we'll get that wreckage and

12:04

we'll know. What do we call

12:06

these? They're being called objects because the military

12:08

doesn't really have a term they wanna share with the

12:10

public about

12:11

them. Are they balloons? What are they? I would

12:13

call them balloon like. Objects.

12:16

They do not

12:18

appear to to have any

12:20

maneuvering capability

12:22

they appear to be floating along

12:25

at the speed of the wind.

12:29

I

12:29

just don't have a better word for that than than

12:32

BalloonLike. And the prime suspect

12:34

is China. I wouldn't say that.

12:37

No. I wouldn't say that. No. The prevailing

12:41

wind brings everything that

12:43

way from west east

12:45

across northern Alaska

12:48

and Northern Canada.

12:51

And there is a lot of what

12:53

officials call sky trash up

12:56

there. And SkyTrash includes

12:58

balloons that are put up by governments,

13:01

that are put up by corporations, that are put

13:03

up by research institutes,

13:05

and probably just by private

13:07

individuals. Mhmm. And

13:09

not for an nefarious purposes,

13:12

but just to collect scientific

13:14

data. In the past, the

13:17

US just hasn't paid much attention

13:19

to those balloons. But

13:21

this Chinese woman was

13:24

was a game changer. Yeah. And now,

13:27

certainly, the Biden administration does not

13:29

feel it can simply let

13:31

these

13:33

other objects pass through

13:36

American airspace. There

13:38

were reports out of China about preparing

13:41

to shoot down objects in their airspace.

13:43

I know when you were here last

13:45

week, you warned about the risk of miss calculations?

13:48

Sure. I was talking about

13:50

reconnaissance flights. So we don't, as

13:53

far as I know, penetrate Chinese

13:56

airspace with our flights, but just

13:58

do it around the periphery. Chinese

14:01

have a history

14:03

of coming out and buzzing those

14:05

planes. And

14:07

sometimes it gets pretty darn close. And

14:10

now in the wake of this balloon incident,

14:13

you wonder how much closer it's going to get.

14:15

And whether the U. S. Needs to

14:18

to take precautions. I I asked

14:21

secretary defense about that in an

14:23

interview this week, and he just

14:26

said, you can be sure we are gonna

14:29

take all measures necessary to protect

14:31

our our

14:32

planes. And I imagine that's one of the things he wanted

14:34

to speak to the defense minister about, although that

14:36

phone call was not not

14:39

answered. By his Chinese counterpart,

14:42

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15:47

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15:49

Committee. Good morning to

15:50

you. Good

15:51

morning, Margaret. Thanks for having me. I

15:53

wanna start on this unusual activity,

15:56

three takedowns in eight days

15:58

in the case of the spy balloon THIS

16:00

WAS CHINESE SURVULANCE, ACCORDING

16:02

TO THE ADMINISTRATION. ON

16:05

FRIDAY, THEY PUT RESTRICTIONS ON SIX

16:07

CHINESE companies that allegedly help

16:09

China's military build that balloon.

16:14

Is this the right move to just try to make

16:16

it harder for them to get US

16:18

technology or does Congress need to do

16:20

something that's more

16:21

broad? Well, it's certainly the right move.

16:23

It will be one of my number one priorities as

16:26

the chairman of the foreign affairs committee

16:29

in this Congress to stop the export

16:32

of technology to China that

16:34

then goes into their most advanced weapon

16:36

systems. In this case, a sophisticated

16:39

spy balloon that went across

16:41

three nuclear sites I think it's

16:43

important to say. In plain view,

16:45

the American people, you know, in Montana,

16:47

the triad site, Airline and

16:50

Sea nuclear weapons and Omaha, this

16:52

spy balloon went over our

16:55

strategic command, which is our most sensitive

16:57

nuclear site. It was so sensitive that present

17:00

bush was taken there after nine

17:02

eleven. And then finally, Missouri, the

17:05

b two bomber, that's where

17:07

they are

17:07

placed. It did a lot

17:09

of damage. Is that

17:10

what US intelligence told

17:12

you? They've

17:13

been saying they mitigated the impact. They

17:15

say they mitigated it, but my assessment

17:18

and and I can't get into the detail of

17:20

the intelligence document is

17:22

that if it's still transmitting, going

17:25

over these three very sensitive nuclear

17:27

sites, I think I think

17:29

if you look at the flight pattern of the balloon,

17:31

it tells a story as to what

17:33

the Chinese were up to, as they control

17:36

this aircraft throughout the United States.

17:38

Going over those sites in my judgment would cause

17:41

great damage. Remember, a see

17:43

a lot more on the ground than a satellite.

17:46

So you said you wanna try to stop

17:48

the export of technology that can

17:50

be used by China's military. As

17:52

a conservative, though, how much this has

17:54

to make you a little uncomfortable to have government

17:56

try to control

17:58

private business investment. How

18:01

do you do that? Well, we have

18:03

what's called an entities list, a Department

18:05

of Commerce, a jurisdiction over the

18:07

office within their the Department

18:10

of Defense says one, we need to harmonize

18:12

those and make it more security focused. You

18:15

know, capital flows is one issue, but

18:17

technology exports into China

18:20

that they use to turn that may eventually

18:22

turn against us, we

18:24

have to stop doing that. And I think we can do

18:26

it by sectors. They do it by companies

18:29

now. Obviously, they identified the

18:31

sixth. I think shockingly when

18:33

the balloon was recovered, it had

18:35

American made component parts

18:37

in their with English on that.

18:39

It was made, yeah, parts made in

18:41

America that were put on a a spy

18:44

from

18:44

China. I don't think the American people

18:46

accept that. Do you believe that

18:48

this was a strategic choice by

18:51

Xi Jinping's government in Beijing or

18:53

do you believe that it was just a and right hand

18:55

not knowing what was going

18:56

on. When I saw the sights that it was

18:58

flying over, it was very clear to me

19:00

this was an intentional act It

19:02

was done with provocation to

19:05

gather intelligence data and

19:07

collect intelligence on our three major

19:10

nuclear sites in this country. Why?

19:13

Because they're looking at what what is our

19:15

capability in the event of

19:17

a possible future conflict in

19:19

Taiwan. They're really assessing

19:21

what we have in this country. I

19:24

find it extraordinary. The timing

19:26

of this flight as well, you

19:28

know, right before the state of the Union speech.

19:30

And also, you know, right before

19:33

secretary Lincoln was scheduled to

19:35

meet with chairman

19:35

Xi, I think it was very much an act

19:38

of belligerence on their part, and

19:40

perhaps they don't care what what the American

19:42

people think about before I let you go,

19:44

I wanna ask you, you voted in

19:46

the last Congress to provide a lot of assistance

19:48

to Ukraine. But this past week,

19:51

at least ten of your members, Republican

19:53

members introduced a bill called the Ukraine

19:55

fatigue resolution to try to cut off

19:57

aid. How hard is it going to be?

20:00

To have a Republican led house continue

20:02

to help

20:03

Ukraine. I still believe Margaret,

20:05

there are many on both sides

20:07

of the aisle, majority of the majorities In

20:09

support of this, we have we

20:11

have factions on the left hand right that

20:13

do not support Ukraine. This was Republican

20:16

bill. Probably continue. Right.

20:19

And I do think, for me,

20:21

particularly, it's we have to

20:23

educate where has money gone,

20:27

You know, the audits that are in place right

20:29

now, there are four of them on Ukraine

20:31

funding. And we have to explain

20:33

why is Ukraine so important. You

20:35

know, what happens in Ukraine impacts

20:38

Taiwan and Xi, the

20:40

China's aligned with Russia, Iran,

20:42

and North Korea, against freedom

20:44

democracy in the west. And, you

20:47

know, I I think that's debate we'll have,

20:49

but I still feel very confident

20:51

that we will give them these systems they

20:53

need, I'd like to see it faster so they

20:55

can win this faster.

20:57

So you you think Matt Gates, Marjorie

20:59

Taylor Green, others who sign this need

21:01

to be educated? I you know,

21:03

like, we took Marjorie Taylor Green

21:06

into a briefing. She

21:08

was satisfied. I thought with what

21:11

the controls have been put in place on the spinning,

21:13

but I don't think that they will be ever be

21:16

persuaded that

21:18

this cause is something that

21:20

they would support. I think they have this false

21:22

dichotomy that somehow we

21:24

can't help Ukraine,

21:27

you know, beat back the Russians who invaded

21:29

their country and

21:31

secure the border. We can do both

21:33

for a great nation And the fact

21:36

of the matter is unfortunately, this administration has

21:38

chosen not to secure the border. He

21:40

can't even control and secure

21:42

our airspace

21:43

now. It looks like.

21:45

Congressman McCall, thank you for your time today.

21:47

Thanks,

21:47

Morgan. Thanks for having me.

21:49

Fascination will be back in one minute. Stay

21:51

with us.

21:55

The death toll from that massive earthquake

21:57

in Turkey and Syria continues to

21:59

climb. There are now more than

22:02

twenty eight thousand dead, and the UN

22:04

says they expect that number to double

22:06

or more. Our MTS

22:08

tie up reports from Turkey.

22:11

There are no words for this kind of

22:14

thing. But

22:17

for the tens of thousands whose loved ones

22:19

were also killed in the

22:20

quake, it's a gut wrenching

22:22

agony vail. An

22:25

agony that has touched every street and

22:27

every corner of the southeastern city

22:29

of Hatai. One of the hardest hit by

22:31

Monday's seven point eight magnitude quake

22:34

and the powerful aftershocks have followed.

22:36

These rescue workers remain determined to

22:38

keep looking for survivors. Even

22:41

as the hope of finding someone alive slips

22:43

away with every passing minute. It's

22:46

been seven days now, and despite

22:48

the exhaustion, the cold,

22:50

and the sadness, these men

22:52

say they're determined to

22:54

keep searching. So too

22:56

are these rescuers as they carefully

22:58

sit through the ruins of an apartment block.

23:02

But then, their worst fear, as

23:05

dislodged chunks of concrete and twisted

23:07

McCaul start raining down on top of them.

23:10

One emergency worker was moderately injured,

23:12

the rest unharmed. For

23:15

survivors who have already buried their loved ones,

23:17

the sadness is all consuming as

23:20

more fresh graves are dug up in anticipation

23:23

of mass burials to come. The

23:25

scale of the devastation continues to

23:27

defy comprehension. International

23:30

aid is now pouring in from around

23:32

forty five countries, including the US.

23:36

But for badly devastated Syria, just

23:38

two convoys have made it into the northwestern

23:41

inland province. That last remaining

23:43

rebel held territory in a nation

23:45

already torn apart by more than a

23:47

decade of civil war. This

23:49

week, the US treasury announced it would

23:51

ease sanctions on the Syrian government for

23:54

one hundred and eighty days as part of efforts

23:56

to speed up humanitarian assistance. The

23:59

president Bashar al Assad insists on

24:01

handling all the aid shipments himself,

24:03

including to rebel held territories. A

24:06

major concern for most international donors

24:09

who remain slow in committing support.

24:11

So for now, most of what's crossing the

24:13

border into Syria from Turkey are

24:15

the remains of Syrian refugees killed

24:18

in the earthquake, a country they

24:20

once had to flee in order to save their

24:22

lives, NOW ONLY TO RETURN

24:25

IN DEATH. Reporter:

24:27

MTS TAYIP REPORTING FROM TURKEY

24:30

WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A LOT MORE FACE THE NATION.

24:32

STAY WITH US.

24:34

Be sure to join us next Sunday. We'll be

24:36

talking with Bernie Sanders, two time Democratic

24:38

presidential contender and Vermont independent

24:41

SENATOR. THAT'S NEXT SUNDAY ON FACE

24:43

THE NATION. WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL BE TALKING

24:45

WITH FOUR OF OUR NATION'S GOVERNORS AND WE'LL

24:47

START OFF WITH NEW HAMPSHIRE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR

24:49

CHISTANU NEW WHO IS also eyeing a possible

24:51

presidential run-in twenty twenty four.

24:54

We'll ask him about that and a lot more, so

24:56

stay with us. Welcome

25:11

back to Face the Nation. We're joined now

25:13

by the Republican governor of New Hampshire

25:16

Chris

25:16

Sunu, and it's good have you here Good. --

25:18

in person.

25:19

Great

25:19

to be here. Better here than the rest of Washington

25:21

because this whole town gives me the it gives me

25:23

the chill sometimes. Said, well, you might

25:26

need to go get over that if you're gonna run for

25:28

sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue as apparently

25:30

you are considering

25:31

doing. Well, a lot of opportunity to change Right?

25:33

I think New Hampshire has this awesome model of

25:35

live for your die, limited government, local

25:37

control, individual responsibility, really

25:40

putting the voters first percent of some money, which is

25:42

nice percent of the regulatory authority

25:44

too. So a little decentralizing out of Washington

25:46

and maybe a little better attitude would be would be

25:48

a good thing for America. What's the proactive

25:50

reason you want to be present? Not something

25:52

that President Bein's doing wrong, but something you

25:54

want to

25:55

achieve. Which is the right question you're asking, by

25:57

the way, because I I drives me crazy when Republicans

25:59

talk in an echo chamber about, you know, how bad, you

26:02

know, the president is and democrats. We got the memo

26:04

as Republicans. You gotta be four something. What

26:06

I'm trying to do is kinda show that New Hampshire model,

26:08

show the opportunity to get stuff done. I've

26:10

had Republicans in my legislature, have Democrats

26:13

in my legislature. I always get my conservative

26:15

agendas done. All we always cut taxes,

26:17

we always balance a budget, and I can explain

26:19

to folks in Washington what a balanced budget actually

26:21

means. So there are paths,

26:23

and think America is looking for

26:25

results. We need results driven leadership,

26:27

not just leadership that. Look,

26:30

whether it's cutting to actions, being pro business,

26:32

the regulatory reform. The

26:34

immigration stuff that we were told was gonna happen

26:36

in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. As Republicans

26:38

in the den, we were told healthcare reform, what

26:40

happened? Didn't. We were told we're gonna secure the

26:42

border, and we didn't. So there's all

26:44

this great opportunity that has a domino

26:47

effect. They're not just things to check off a list. But

26:49

those things have huge impacts on the American

26:51

economy, most importantly, the American families. Mhmm. Right?

26:53

They just want flexibility to do what they do,

26:55

and frankly, they're tired of the nonsense.

26:57

In DC, They're tired of extreme

27:00

candidates. They're tired of gridlock. They

27:02

want somebody to come to the table. And it could

27:04

be myself. It could be other governors. It could but it has

27:06

to be leadership with proven results.

27:08

I've been in the private sector as an engineer and a

27:10

business leader. I've been in the public sector. You gotta

27:12

be able to deliver. And you gotta hopefully be

27:14

inspirational and hopeful as opposed to

27:16

all this negativity you

27:17

see. But you still have to get the Congress to work

27:19

with you to do that very long laundry

27:21

list of things you just read off to us.

27:24

So when you were here in November, you told us

27:26

that president Biden

27:29

would not run for president in your

27:31

estimation. You just saw him up close for the

27:33

past few days. Is that still what you believe?

27:35

Well, I know other people will definitely run. They're

27:37

gonna get in the market. Oh, absolutely.

27:39

Yeah. Yeah. Because

27:40

you say that. Did someone tell you that? Well,

27:42

Joe Biden has tried to move the first of the nation primary

27:45

from New Hampshire. Right? But we're going

27:47

first whether the president likes it or not.

27:49

And so that's gonna be a huge opportunity for

27:51

anybody who wants to step up and challenge him. And

27:53

if you look at the polls across the country, the

27:56

average Democrat says, yeah, thanks for your service on

27:58

one term, but let's keep it to one term president Biden.

28:00

And then I just don't believe the Democrat

28:02

left wing elite is gonna sit on the sidelines knowing

28:05

you could come to New Hampshire, get all the earned media,

28:07

all the attention, without a whole lot

28:09

of money, all that political momentum. He's

28:11

opened up his political

28:12

flank, so to say, to give someone else a huge

28:14

opportunity to charge right through and take

28:17

that nomination from Well, we'll see if your

28:19

if your projection plays out. You've

28:22

been talking about trying to sort of remind

28:24

the party that Republicans are about limited

28:26

government. You said recently Republicans

28:28

are almost trying to outdo Democrats

28:31

at their own game of being big government

28:33

and having a solution and a say on

28:35

everything. Who were you thinking of

28:37

when you said? Well, there there's a lot like, I think there's

28:39

a lot of leadership out there that forget that forgets.

28:42

At at heart, I'm a principled free market

28:44

conservative. Let the markets decide. So there's

28:46

no individual per se, but there's a lot of leadership

28:48

that says, you know what, when we're not getting that

28:50

result out of a private business or locality,

28:52

we'll just impose from the top down

28:55

our conservative

28:55

will. You're

28:56

not talking about the Florida governor and Disney

28:58

for example.

28:58

That's a bad example. Yeah. That's that's an existent.

29:00

One one of the many existent the Sanders may be

29:03

running for president. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Look, Ron's

29:05

a very good governor. He is, but I'm just trying to

29:07

remind folks what we are at our core. And if we're trying

29:09

to beat the Democrats at being big government

29:11

authoritarians, we remember what's going to

29:13

happen. Eventually, they'll have power in a

29:15

state or in a position. And then they'll start penalizing

29:18

conservative businesses and conservative nonprofits

29:20

and conservative ideas. That is the worst

29:23

precedent in the world. That's exactly what the founding

29:25

fathers tried not to try to

29:26

avoid.

29:27

Mhmm. And so I'm trying to remind as my conservative

29:29

friends about federalism, free

29:31

markets, and being for the voter

29:34

first, being for the individual. Do I like what every private

29:36

business says? No. I hate this. We'll cancel

29:38

culture. But it's a

29:39

cultural What does that mean to you then?

29:41

Woke cancel culture? Yeah. Oh, it's it's

29:43

Look, you Because

29:43

you're not a culture warrior.

29:45

No. Really? No good one, but

29:47

it's there. What does that mean in your class? It's

29:49

the it's the divisiveness deviceiveness.

29:51

We see not just in our schools. But in our communities

29:54

where it is me versus you whereas if

29:56

you are not adhering to my

29:58

ideals, then I'm gonna cancel you out.

30:00

It is us versus them as this binary where

30:03

everything's a war. That's a cultural problem

30:05

we have to fix in America, and it starts with good

30:07

leadership, good messaging, more hopeful and

30:09

optimistic. But government never

30:11

solves a cultural

30:12

problem. We can lead on it, but we never solve it.

30:14

Interesting idea, but you are contradicted

30:16

by the Republican governor of Arkansas who

30:19

gave the response four year party after

30:21

the state of the union who embraced culture

30:23

war. She says America's in one. She

30:26

says it's being waged by the left wing. A

30:28

woke mob that can't even tell you

30:30

what a woman

30:31

is. That's

30:32

absolutely right. Are

30:33

you gonna engage on things like this? Like

30:35

like Sanders and DeSantis has in terms of issues

30:37

on gender and issues of

30:38

race. There should be absolute

30:41

leadership on that about what that's about. And

30:43

this idea that you know, you have

30:45

to, you know, we have forced language,

30:47

that we have forced ideas on our kids, that we're

30:49

gonna force any. So you are gonna be a culture

30:51

warrior? No. You have to talk about that, but

30:53

it isn't the government's role to solve it.

30:55

The government is not here to solve your

30:57

problems. It's not. The government is here to

30:59

So

30:59

what governor shouldn't be actually talking and engaging

31:01

in telling school boards and doing things like this or

31:03

trying to pass laws like they are.

31:05

I don't think governors should be trying to pass laws

31:08

to subvert the will of the voters that

31:10

know better than us. Voters are no more than

31:12

I do. The voters on that school board know the

31:14

voters in those towns know a lot

31:15

more. And if that's the free market of politics,

31:17

if they don't like the schoolwork, they get they code a town

31:19

meeting, they fire them.

31:20

You are you call yourself a pro choice for

31:22

Republican. You still have to win in a Republican

31:25

primary.

31:25

Is there

31:26

room for someone who calls himself a pro

31:28

choice republican? Look, that issue is look, that

31:30

issue is gonna change three different ways. Now

31:32

that dobs has happened, right? States

31:34

can decide what they wanna do. Right? So I think the definition

31:36

of pro life and pro choice and pro abortion

31:39

are are gonna be very different because if you're a pro

31:41

life through public. That's fine. That's as a governor.

31:43

You can do that. You can ban it in your state, and

31:45

you can stay behind those ideals. And maybe that's

31:47

exactly what your state wants. No problem. Mhmm.

31:50

I'm pro choice Republican in in a very pro

31:52

choice state. But at the end of the

31:54

day, you're gonna have the pro life for over

31:56

here, pro abortion over here, And then the

31:58

rest of us are, well, we have a twenty four week ban and

32:00

you have a twenty two

32:01

week and

32:01

an eighteen week ban. So the rest of us are kind

32:03

of in the spectrum of debating about weeks.

32:06

So that the whole conversation is gonna change.

32:08

We wanna talk about some of these issues in-depth

32:10

with you in a moment, so stay with us governor,

32:12

and we're gonna bring in a panel of

32:14

bipartisan governors with

32:18

And we're back with governor, Sunu, and we're

32:20

joined by Democrat West Moore, who was just

32:22

sworn in as Maryland's first black governor

32:24

Michelle Lou Anne Grisham is the Democratic governor

32:26

of New Mexico. Republican Doug

32:29

Bergam is the governor of North Dakota,

32:31

and it's good to have you all here at the table

32:33

together. I

32:36

want to talk about some of these issues of common cause

32:39

governor Berghum, I know the

32:41

fentanyl crisis, the drug crisis was the top

32:43

at the White House in recent days. Your

32:46

state is one of six with the lowest

32:48

rates of drug overdose deaths according

32:50

to

32:50

CDC. How is that possible

32:53

when this is a national crisis? Well,

32:55

I think all of our governors were all border states

32:57

now with the fentanyl that's coming into this country,

32:59

perhaps manufactured in China. Coming

33:01

across the southern border. But in North Dakota, we've

33:03

really taken an approach of understanding that if

33:05

you're going to have a war on drugs, which is this thing

33:07

we've been doing in our country since the 1970s

33:10

and 1980s, It can become

33:12

a war on people who have a

33:14

health issue. They've got addiction

33:16

as a disease. And so we want to be

33:18

very tough on the people that are importing and

33:20

distributing, but we also have to understand

33:23

that if people have the disease

33:25

of addiction, it's not a moral choice or a failure.

33:27

And so we've taken a approach on

33:30

number of fronts. One of the things that's been most

33:32

successful is treating the disease

33:34

of addiction is with peer support

33:36

specialists, because we know now that someone who's

33:38

got lived experience, whether that's in the criminal

33:41

justice system or living with the disease

33:43

of addiction. Mhmm. And in recovery

33:45

that can help people through it as much as

33:48

an addiction counselor. So the whole approach is

33:50

we've turned it towards one of

33:52

treating this as a national health

33:54

crisis, which it is. So we wanna be

33:56

tough on suppliers, but we wanna be super

33:58

supportive of those. We appreciate that approach.

34:00

That is probably gonna be the

34:03

Nexus of real bipartisan

34:06

work. In New Mexico, we

34:08

have a significant issue with substance

34:10

abuse and overdose deaths.

34:13

And I wish I could tell you that fentanyl

34:15

is not a problem. It is. And in fact, we were

34:17

part of FBI staying

34:19

with one of the largest fentanyl busts

34:22

in United States history, a million

34:24

pills, two million in cash. But

34:27

we didn't have any behavioral health this when

34:29

I became governor. The former

34:32

administration literally canceled

34:34

behavioral health. And

34:36

there were no providers that were all in litigation,

34:38

everybody left to other states. So

34:40

now you have a crisis on

34:43

top of a national building

34:45

crisis COVID did none of us and

34:47

favors to really address evidence

34:50

based work about making sure

34:52

that treatment is available -- Mhmm.

34:54

-- is exactly how we're going to

34:56

get ahead of this. So all

34:58

of the upfront, so

35:00

dealing with poverty and food security

35:03

and job and workers and good

35:05

education. While we're treating

35:07

folks who are currently dealing

35:10

with this disease, And I think we can start

35:12

to do that regionally with creative

35:14

solutions that allow Medicaid to

35:17

pay for services across states

35:20

when it's behavioral health. And we've eliminated

35:22

co pays for behavioral health services.

35:24

And this is something you're asking the

35:26

federal government for help to do. You know what,

35:28

I didn't add do that during

35:31

that we have very -- it's a limited who can

35:33

ask questions and that sounds awful.

35:35

We want to make sure that we're all benefiting

35:37

by a topic matter that we can

35:40

all take back with us and get a sense where the

35:42

federal government is headed. But the Western

35:44

Governors Association, which is another really

35:47

effective example about bipartisan work,

35:49

we're interested in taking

35:51

on behavioral health in a more regional effort.

35:54

And following some of the best practices

35:57

of North Dakota, absolutely is

35:59

going to make its way into achievements

36:02

and better outcomes in New

36:03

Mexico. Governor Moore, I mean, you're new on the job.

36:05

But what is it that you plan

36:07

to execute to to deal with this

36:09

problem? Well, you know, I I think what we said here

36:11

was was is a really important point where

36:13

we cannot go through the process to the

36:15

idea that we're going to criminalize our

36:18

way out of this. And I think we've learned that

36:20

throughout this process, that we're dealing with

36:22

behavioral health and mental health. When you look

36:24

at the proposed budget that we laid out, Our

36:26

proposed budget makes historic increases, increases

36:28

of thirty nine percent that's actually

36:30

focusing exclusively on substance abuse

36:33

disorders. On making sure that we're actually helping

36:35

people and then returning from

36:36

incarceration, things like how we're dealing with

36:38

elements of record expungement. Job

36:40

retraining, job reskilling, making sure

36:43

there's better reintegration with the family.

36:45

But there has to be a larger holistic way

36:47

in the way that we are dealing with this challenge

36:49

because it is true We have spent

36:51

two decades now dealing with a behavioral

36:54

health challenge essentially by criminalizing it.

36:56

And there are long term consequences, economic

36:59

consequences. Societal consequences

37:01

that I know in the state of

37:02

Maryland, that we are aggressively pushing on

37:04

within the way our administration couldn't get this work.

37:06

We were looking at some of the research in in Maryland

37:08

and in one county, they've had to use NARCAN

37:11

on students eleven times during the

37:13

past

37:13

year. And you're

37:14

actually putting this in the schools because this is

37:16

so comment? Because

37:17

we because we have to. And that's the

37:19

thing. As a as an administration, I

37:21

would say, you know, as a leader, I am data driven

37:24

and heartlet. Right? I

37:26

wear my heart and my sleeve, but I don't move without

37:28

data. And the data has been so clear

37:30

about the damage that this has done to

37:32

our communities, both urban and rural. And

37:35

children, apparent. And children, and to

37:37

the point where we've actually now appointed a special

37:39

secretary who's a former mayor of

37:41

Pagerstown who actually got into politics

37:44

because of the issue of of opioid addiction

37:46

had her best friend lost to her to an overdose

37:49

who was now serving as our special secretary

37:51

on this exact

37:52

issue.

37:53

You were nodding at the NARCAN in Sweden. Oh,

37:55

yeah. Absolutely. Look, one of the biggest issues

37:57

is ACCUDEAU.

37:57

This

37:57

is a drug when someone over doses to basic help

38:00

you. And so that can work for the most part.

38:02

We can talk about where it doesn't work, but

38:04

schools. You need access points to schools.

38:06

Kids need to know that

38:08

there is help there. What those systems are.

38:11

Rural access to care is absolutely huge.

38:13

People have to understand it's not a twenty eight day problem.

38:15

Right? That's old school thinking. Sometimes recovery

38:18

is a lifelong. Journey. So you need --

38:20

That's right. -- you need recovery friendly workplaces,

38:22

you need wraparound housing and and those types of

38:24

services. Understand that also fentanyl

38:26

crisis It's now being mixed

38:28

with everything. It's in vape cartridges.

38:30

It's in marijuana. It's being mixed with

38:32

xylazine. And let me tell you if you don't understand the

38:34

xylazine fentanyl crisis that's coming

38:36

It's horrid. It negates the

38:39

ability of of NARCAN to

38:41

revive you. And it it's so the

38:43

mixing of everything. Call it a cartel

38:45

driven crisis. Now, it's no longer over prescription.

38:47

That's always part of it. But the cartels have

38:49

such access and and they they're basically

38:52

creating their own

38:53

markets. They're putting it in Adderall. They're

38:55

mixing it with Black Market Adderall. They're mixing

38:58

it with

38:58

Adderall. People buying it. Black Market, as inflation

39:00

goes up, More people go to buy their pharmaceuticals

39:03

offline, and so they're going to get adderall for

39:05

the kids offline, it becomes mixed, or the

39:07

kids try to buy vape cartridges offline.

39:09

And it becomes mixed with fentanyl. And the dealers

39:12

know, look, we might lose a couple, but we're

39:14

gonna create addicts out of it. And so the crisis

39:16

is the mixing where we have so many folks at overdose

39:19

that had no idea they were even doing

39:20

fair. But we need to be careful in my view that

39:22

we don't do this paradigm, you know,

39:24

just shifting from one extreme to the other.

39:27

Absolutely organized crime and

39:29

cartels, which are

39:31

embedded in every state, have

39:34

to be held accountable AND WE

39:36

ALL COLLECTIVELY. THAT'S A FEDERAL

39:38

AND STATE BY STATE

39:39

DISH. Reporter: AND

39:39

YOU HAVE ASKED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR MORE FBI

39:42

H. THEY

39:42

DENIED YOU THAT class. Well, that so far,

39:45

let's I'm I'm tenacious. I'm gonna

39:47

I'm bet on me. I'm gonna get those agents.

39:49

But to your point, if we were all

39:51

using our National Guard, to some

39:53

degree. We need them for our own state

39:55

emergencies. But if we were doing

39:58

drug interdiction work, then we're

40:00

dealing with the bad guys

40:02

and gals in this system, and we need

40:04

to do that collectively. Instead, we're

40:06

doing it. I do a little. You do a little. You

40:08

do we should be doing it

40:09

collectively. That's the right kind of leveraging.

40:12

One thing that we've stopped even using

40:14

the word overdose because no

40:16

one is making a choice to

40:20

kill themselves. It is Chris was saying, I

40:22

mean, these people don't know what

40:24

they're taking. We have an epidemic of

40:26

just huge proportions like we've never had

40:29

before. And you talked about FBI.

40:31

One of the things that's happening across the U.

40:34

S. On all of the tribal lands

40:36

the, like, the sovereign nations that we share geography

40:39

with in North Dakota is they don't have enough

40:41

BI

40:41

agents. The federal

40:42

government

40:43

claims FBI. So the the Bureau of Union

40:45

Affairs that would be doing that drug interdiction.

40:48

Their staffing is way down. Organized crime

40:50

is preying on those tribal

40:52

communities, and that's where they're basing their operations

40:54

out. And you're seeing that and you're tribes. You're seeing that

40:56

too. Yes. I wanna this is

40:59

a huge topic, but I wanna make sure I

41:01

get to you on the issue of abortion

41:03

because, of course, the supreme court. Threw

41:05

this back to state capitals in June

41:07

when they overturned Roe versus

41:09

Wade. Governor Berghum, the very

41:12

last abortion provider in your state

41:14

left AFTER THAT SUPREME

41:16

COURT DECISION. WHAT HAS BEEN THE IMPACT

41:18

OF THAT? I'M NOT HAVING

41:21

THAT CARE.

41:21

Reporter: IN THE CASE OF THIS case

41:23

because the last one was in Fargo.

41:25

It moved about four hundred yards. It's now in

41:27

Minnesota. So the effect

41:30

of people having access to care

41:32

is really? They leave. Well,

41:34

they leave, but they're going four hundred yards further

41:36

east. And I think this

41:38

is what will happen across our nation.

41:41

It's now back in the hands of states. North

41:43

Dakota has proven at the ballot box,

41:46

the citizens voting. Our legislature

41:48

very much is pro life with exception

41:50

states. And so this is

41:53

something that the state of North Dakota has been pursuing

41:56

for a long time. But as Chris was talking

41:58

about earlier

41:59

segment, this is something that I think states can

42:01

decide. And I think it ought to be decided

42:03

to state level.

42:04

That's a long way for a lot people to travel,

42:06

though. If they're not in Fargo.

42:08

Now, I mean, what has been the impact in and

42:11

we're seeing women all across America come

42:13

to New Mexico, and it is a long way to travel.

42:15

AND WHAT ABOUT AFTER CARE AND WHAT ABOUT

42:18

YOUR FAMILY AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER

42:20

POTENTIAL FAMILY MEMBERS LIKE OTHER SMALL

42:22

CHILDREN? IT IS CADESTROPHIC. This is

42:25

where I think constitutional rights

42:27

are a federal matter, making

42:29

sure that wherever I live in

42:31

this country, one country that

42:33

my constitutional rights, my

42:35

bodily autonomy ought to be

42:37

protected. And with all due respect

42:39

for people who have moral whomarily

42:43

oppose my position on

42:45

abortion, they don't have

42:47

to seek that care. But

42:49

women who need that care get

42:52

limited or reduced or

42:54

eliminated excess and women

42:57

die ALL

42:59

ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND WE'RE GOING

43:01

BACKWARD AND I COULD

43:04

NOT DISAGREE MORE WITH MY GOOD

43:05

FRIEND, Doug Gabbat. Reporter: WHILE WE WANT TO HAVE

43:08

A VERY specific issue how you are

43:10

planning to spend this forward because abortion's

43:12

legal in New Hampshire, Maryland, New Mexico, the

43:14

majority of abortions provided in this

43:16

country happen via pill these

43:19

days. And there's a Texas court decision that

43:21

is pending that might strike down FDA

43:23

approval as I understand

43:24

it. ARE YOU PREPARING? ARE YOU STOCKILING

43:26

THE DRUG? ARE YOU PLANNING AT ALL?

43:30

WE ARE PREPARING AS LONG AS I'M THE GOVERNOR OF THE

43:32

STATE OF MARYLAND, that Maryland will be

43:34

a safe haven for abortion rights. I believe

43:36

abortion is healthcare. This is really about

43:38

how we coming up with mult waist up

43:40

preparing for this. And ensuring

43:42

that all women know that we believe

43:45

that their health, their

43:46

safety, and their security, and of the providers

43:48

is something that should be guaranteed in the state of Maryland.

43:50

Are you stuck by a drug or no? Well,

43:52

Nike, it's not piling a drug, but we are bound operations.

43:54

But

43:55

I think that stockpiling might be if I can

43:57

push back a

43:57

little. No. The wrong question,

43:59

do we have enough of those drugs available

44:02

in places? And each state's going to be a little

44:04

different, but you can get those in our public health

44:06

system We're moving towards

44:09

tribal nations, providing access

44:11

in any number of ways, including abortion,

44:13

direct abortion care inside the clinic,

44:16

in addition and the chilling effect of not

44:18

having these medications now routinely manufactured

44:21

is they're used to treat men and

44:24

women for other like bleeding also We're

44:26

gonna have deaths unrelated because

44:29

doctors are saying, in my state, I can't

44:31

prescribe this. So this decision

44:34

could have an even more chilling effect.

44:36

So we're trying to figure out

44:37

ways. Can we get a manufacturer? How

44:39

much do we have? How long does it last?

44:42

What are we doing about contraceptives and

44:44

contraceptive care and sex education and

44:46

school based health centers. So all of the

44:48

above approach we're in. Governors?

44:51

Thank you very much for your time today. There's

44:53

so much more to talk to you about. I enjoyed this.

44:55

We'll be back in a moment.

45:00

We find ourselves in yet another moment

45:02

where global crises seem to be

45:04

converging and yet another reminder

45:06

for us about how to put it all

45:09

into perspective. Four

45:11

times in the past eight days, US

45:13

fighter jets scrambled to take out perceived

45:16

threats tens of thousands of feet above

45:18

North

45:18

America. That

45:19

is a big deal. The BalloonLike completely

45:22

destroyed. The spy balloon and

45:24

aerial objects are a dramatic wake

45:26

up call that the US isn't quite

45:28

as insulated or as isolated

45:31

as many like to think. Record

45:33

level migration was already an unmistakable

45:36

sign that failing governments, dramatic

45:38

climate shifts, and economic strain

45:40

thousands of miles away eventually

45:43

end up on America's doorstep. As

45:46

President Biden pointed out Friday, the

45:48

two biggest democracies in the America's

45:51

recently withstood insurptions staged

45:53

by far right

45:54

mobs.

45:55

Both the United States and Brazil democracy

45:58

prevailed. Democracy also

46:00

feels under strain in Israel where

46:02

tens of thousands took to the street

46:04

Saturday to protest against their new

46:06

right wing government. Meanwhile,

46:09

Ukraine's democracy continues its

46:11

year long battle to survive Vladimir

46:13

Putin's brutal onslaught. NATO

46:16

warned last week that China is expanding its

46:18

nuclear arsenal and so is North

46:20

Korea. Kim Jong Un paraded

46:22

a dozen intercontinental ballistic

46:25

missiles down Shanying streets Wednesday.

46:28

And if the food and migration crisis

46:30

in drought stricken East Africa wasn't

46:32

already a sign of mother nature's power,

46:35

She sent us another signal Monday.

46:38

This one has taken the lives of twenty eight

46:40

thousand and counting lives

46:42

in Turkey and war torn Syria.

46:45

FOR ALL OF US, THE GROUND DOES

46:47

FEEL LIKE IT IS SHIFTING. GLOBAL

46:50

INSTABILITY MAY BE A CONSTANT FOR

46:52

THE NEAR FUTURE and that

46:54

may be a needed reminder to put

46:56

our petty political disagreements in

46:59

perspective. We'll be

47:01

right back. This

47:05

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47:07

our investigative team unravels the mystery

47:09

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47:11

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47:16

That's it for us here at Face the Nation today.

47:18

Thank you all for watching. Until

47:21

next week. For Face the Nation, I'm

47:23

Margaret Brennan. Today's guest were Texas

47:25

Republican congressman Michael McCaul. Montana

47:28

Democrat ITICS SENATOR JOHN TESTER AND

47:30

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47:32

CRISSON NEWS OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, MARYLAND'S

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47:37

Berghum and New Mexico's Michelle

47:39

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