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, the church did

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it again . So

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right now there is a hot

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story around a

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once I guess he's still a pastor

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. There was a lot of controversy , a lot of

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a scandal wrapped up , but he

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has since then multiple

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times gone viral . He has since

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then repented , turned

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and he has changed his life and now he's

1:01

back on the path . Your opinion

1:03

about the guy ? I don't know . Have you heard of him ? Mark

1:06

Driscoll , this guy is a guy

1:08

who , what

1:11

he says and what he says he believes

1:13

, he sticks with it and I

1:16

admire him because

1:18

he doesn't let his

1:21

placement change

1:23

his character . What

1:26

do I mean by that ? There are a lot

1:28

of ministers Okay , I

1:30

don't know when we're going to talk about the TD Jakes

1:33

accusations , but we may get there next week . There

1:35

are a lot of preachers

1:37

I wouldn't I don't know if I'd

1:39

call them pastors A lot of preachers

1:42

that are good . They're

1:45

charismatic

1:47

, they know the right things to say , they know when

1:49

to say them , they know how to say them , they know

1:51

which verses to use and what place to put

1:53

them to make it seem like God

1:55

is always on your side and there's never any kind

1:57

of correction . We call them the prosperity

2:00

preachers , the prosperity

2:02

gospel , and that is one of the most dangerous

2:05

gospels out there . It is

2:07

one that will bleed you , drive your bank account , make

2:09

you think like you're a part of something . I guess you

2:11

are . You're buying their jets and buying their expensive

2:14

vehicles and their churches and things like that . Sure

2:16

, there's actually a church in Branson

2:18

, missouri , that my stepdad

2:20

told me , that the guy

2:22

there , the pastor there

2:24

, has a private jet and he

2:27

offers to the

2:29

people there , for I

2:31

don't know how many thousands of dollars that

2:34

you can buy your seat and it will be your

2:36

seat and nobody can sit there . Now , I

2:38

don't know if you go to church , but where I go to

2:40

church and where I preach at , people

2:42

got their spots . It may

2:45

be worth doing . Hey

2:48

, it would cut down on people being

2:50

upset about people taking their spots because they literally

2:53

own the chair . Now it's

2:55

funny because we just replaced our chairs , got

2:58

new chairs last year and

3:00

we were joking around . Some of the people were like , hey

3:02

, that's your spot . You pay tithes here , you pay

3:04

for that , because

3:06

people I mean you look up and they're in their spot . I've

3:09

seen people come in and somebody

3:11

was in their spot and they sit behind it or

3:14

beside it and then when that person got up

3:16

, I saw them run and take their

3:18

spot back . I was like man , that's some petty junk

3:20

right there . I mean

3:22

I get it . So it is what

3:24

it is , but anyways . So mark

3:26

driscoll he is . He's

3:29

a pastor . Look him up youtube channel

3:31

. There's actually , I think , a documentary on

3:33

. He was a past lead pastor of a church

3:35

called mars hill and I think the

3:38

the the show , the

3:40

documentary , is called the rise and fall of mars hill . I

3:43

have not watched it personally , so I don't know

3:45

the depths of everything that happened , but I

3:47

do know . I

3:51

do know that there was

3:53

scandal involved . So , with

3:55

that being said , if

3:58

you won't listen to a preacher or

4:00

a minister or a

4:03

worship band or whatever , after

4:05

they mess up because you say that that's inaccurate

4:07

and that's unbiblical and

4:09

I won't listen to that . Junk Preachers

4:14

all the time preach from King David

4:16

and he was a murderer , adulterer

4:18

or whatever . You know what I mean . But

4:22

he knew how to say God

4:24

, I am sorry , and

4:27

he meant it . God saw his heart and

4:29

knew that

4:32

he was being sincere and that

4:34

, to me , when there's repentance

4:38

in the heart , it's

4:41

evident . When there's repentance in the

4:43

heart , you can tell , you

4:45

can see it . It produces

4:47

a fruit of repentance

4:49

and turning and being truly

4:54

sorry for what you've done and

4:57

, from what I've seen from this guy , it

4:59

has been a road for him truly

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of repentance . So , while

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sure you like let's

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watch this video . So , just as

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a little bit of a setup , this

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is a men's conference

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, okay , so

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keep that in your head a men's

6:52

conference . This

6:54

is not them girls out there wiling out . This is

6:56

a man's conference . Why

7:00

do I say that ? Let

7:02

me show you why I say that . So this right here , okay . Why

7:04

do I say that ? Let me show you why I say that . So this right here

7:07

, okay

7:10

. Now

7:12

this is from a channel Ruslan KD . Kd

7:16

stands for King's Dream . He's

7:18

an Armenian guy raised in America from

7:20

a young age , turned famous

7:23

YouTuber , christian

7:25

rapper . So you can see already

7:27

. I have not even started

7:29

the video . Look at this . What

7:35

is he doing ? Homeboy

7:41

is taking off his shirt . And

7:45

what is that behind him ? That

7:47

, my friends , is what we call a stripper pole . Why in the world

7:50

is a dude and apparently

7:52

this guy is like an ex-stripper . He actually

7:54

used to be a stripper why

7:59

in the world is he stripping and getting on a pole at

8:01

a men's conference ? I

8:03

don't have a good answer . So let's see what

8:05

Ruslan has to say about it .

8:07

A Christian men's conference

8:09

allowed a horrifying and

8:11

cringe performance that led

8:13

to this celebrity pastor

8:15

calling them out at the

8:17

conference . Now this is one of the most interesting

8:20

things I have seen happen at the

8:22

same conference , and there's multiple

8:24

important characters in this conversation

8:27

that we're going to have to go over and a twist

8:29

that no one is talking about or

8:31

saw coming . So make sure you watch

8:34

till the end of this video for all the details . Now

8:36

, the pastor that did the call out is

8:38

no other than Pastor Mark

8:40

Driscoll . No stranger to controversy

8:42

, he's gone viral multiple times

8:45

for having W take after W

8:47

take in the last several months , even garnering

8:49

the attention of Ben Shapiro

8:51

reacting to one of his videos .

8:53

Young men are over mothered

8:55

under father .

8:56

There's some of the stuff he says . He

8:59

has some very good points . He is

9:01

sound in the things that he says and he does not

9:03

back down , just like the , the bishop

9:06

we looked at a minute ago all the father

9:08

said amen .

9:09

When the boy is little , does he need his mother

9:11

? Yes , so mother's in the first position

9:13

, father's in the second position . When the boy

9:15

gets older , needs his father controversial

9:18

more than his mother , absolutely true , by the way , that

9:20

doesn't kick in at like 20 .

9:21

That kicks in for little boys at like five

9:24

, but his appearance as a guest keynote

9:26

speaker at james and there goes

9:28

to the point I was making at the beginning of the live

9:30

stream . The enemy is

9:32

after . He is trying to dissect

9:35

and dismantle our homes . He's , and

9:37

the way he does that is

9:40

he gets the fathers out

9:42

of the house . Where there's no

9:44

father , there's no man influence and

9:46

it crumbles every single time

9:48

. It's not good for the children

9:51

.

9:52

James River's men's conference did not

9:54

go as expected .

9:57

Thank you .

10:02

Now , as I stated earlier , this all happened at

10:04

James River Church's men's

10:07

conference , which didn't surprise me at all . After

10:09

all , james River Church is responsible

10:11

for greatest hits like having Bill

10:14

Johnson at their church immediately after

10:16

their Physics of Heaven book got exposed

10:18

, for having all sorts of New Age stuff

10:21

in it and also bringing you the

10:23

.

10:23

But they did take it down of

10:26

new age stuff in it and also bringing you the , but they did take it down . So the physics of heaven

10:28

, a book , not I don't think it's written by bill

10:30

johnson , not either . That's from bethel

10:32

church , bethel music . If you probably we were

10:34

you use some of their music too . Not

10:37

all the theology is sound . Some of it's a little

10:39

out there . But they retracted

10:42

that it was in their bookstore in their church

10:44

and they took it out . That's a whole nother video . But they did back down

10:46

and they they retracted that it was in their bookstore in their church and they

10:48

took it out . That's

10:51

a whole nother video .

10:51

But they did back down and they said that they're no longer a part

10:53

of that , so that's a good thing , that's a positive . Amazingshowmethetoescom

10:55

where they alleged that a woman had

10:58

her toes miraculously grown back

11:00

, said they had proof and then refused to

11:02

provide that proof to the public .

11:03

As the ladies prayed for Chrissy over the next 30

11:06

minutes , all three toes grew

11:08

Within an hour . Nails

11:10

began to grow on all the toes but

11:12

they saw the bone come wrapping flesh , completely

11:15

grow up and by morning the toenails

11:17

everything had formed . She got three brand new toes . What

11:19

I want to assure you of is it's

11:23

real , it's real

11:25

, it's real . It's of is it's real , it's real , it's real , it's real

11:27

, it's real . We can provide the

11:29

kind of proof that would be necessary . People

11:31

have asked if you've seen pictures of the toes .

11:33

I have now this is . So this

11:35

guy right here I'm not sure who he is , but

11:37

this is the the issue , that

11:40

cessationist , which

11:42

is that there are people that believe

11:44

that the

11:46

gifts of the Spirit

11:49

, the miracles , the speaking in tongues

11:51

, things like that was to validate

11:54

the New Testament

11:56

. As the disciples

11:58

and the others were going and spreading

12:00

the gospel , that was to validate

12:03

that they were telling the truth

12:05

, that god was saying yep , that's my stamp of approval

12:08

. Here's a miracle type deal . Okay

12:10

, continuationist , which is what I am some

12:12

would call charismatic . We still

12:14

believe in speaking the tongue , speaking in tongues . We

12:17

believe in the miracles . You know , it's

12:19

re first corinthians okay

12:21

, paul described , and paul's

12:23

not writing to the jews , he's not writing to the Jews , he's not

12:25

writing to the disciples , he's writing to the Gentiles

12:27

. That had nothing to do with

12:30

the upper room experience . So in Acts

12:32

there's an upper room experience

12:34

. The Holy Spirit came down . This is

12:36

what Jesus promised out of His own mouth . He

12:38

said I have to go so that he can come . So

12:41

this also gives us the Trinity . You have God

12:43

, the Father , god the Son , god the Holy Spirit , and

12:46

so there's this synergy with all of

12:48

them and apparently there would be too much power

12:50

on the earth if Jesus stayed

12:52

, but he went to the right

12:54

hand of the Father . The Spirit came down , an

12:56

outpouring , a ground

12:58

zero , if you will , in Acts 2

13:01

. And a powerful moment

13:03

, the initial downpouring

13:05

and outpouring . And

13:07

so then , miracles , signs and

13:09

wonders in a new way , the

13:11

things that Jesus did all of a sudden . Now

13:14

the regular , average , everyday

13:16

believer could do it , because

13:18

the Holy Spirit gives that

13:21

power . That anointing that atonement

13:23

gives

13:27

that power , that anointing that atonement , whatever you want to say that . Uh , to wrap

13:29

up , the definition of god is still god , his spirit is still the spirit

13:31

, and so , that being

13:34

said , it's guys like these

13:36

that feel that they

13:38

have to either . Okay , so here's probably

13:40

what happened . Speculation

13:43

, 100% . This is probably what happened . They

13:46

probably , in their charismatic movement with

13:50

miracles and things like that , probably

13:52

hit a dry spell . Something

13:55

maybe cool or crazy

13:58

, maybe did happen , but

14:00

they felt they needed to church

14:02

it up . They needed to exaggerate

14:05

a little bit , to manipulate

14:08

God , to do

14:11

more miracles , to get people having faith

14:13

. Because , I mean , james tells us everybody

14:16

lay hands on people , not a pastor , not deacons

14:18

, not board members , not the elder , or it

14:20

does say the elders , but anybody can lay hands

14:23

on the sick and they will recover . So

14:25

it's very possible that in their mind , they're

14:28

thinking okay , we

14:30

have seen a lack of

14:32

laying hands , a lack of faith . Maybe

14:35

, if we say something or

14:37

make this more than what it was , it's

14:39

possible that a miracle did

14:41

happen , that

14:46

something , a miracle did happen . But

14:48

it's also possible that something happened and

14:50

they kept beefing it up to bring more faith , getting

14:53

people more emotional about things . And

14:55

this is the danger of extreme charismatics

14:58

is that it takes , it takes away

15:00

the , the authenticity

15:03

of God and the Spirit , and

15:05

it makes it into almost a mockery and

15:08

a show

15:10

, instead of it just being

15:12

God , being God , and

15:15

so that's the danger of this .

15:16

So I've seen the picture A few moments

15:19

later . People are saying well , if it's genuine , why aren't

15:21

you doing anything with it to publicize it ? I'm

15:23

less interested in proving to people what

15:25

I know God did than I am in protecting

15:28

sheep who are vulnerable .

15:30

See , there's some sort of like out

15:33

, an excuse like oh man , I just

15:35

you know , I lost it . The dog

15:37

ate my homework . That's what it sounds , what

15:40

it is there's , I

15:42

don't know , but that's what it sounds .

15:43

As far as I know know , they still have not provided

15:45

the proof as well as what they highlighted

15:48

at last year's conference , featuring

15:50

the very patriotic bad

15:52

take .

15:53

But this new controversy has escalated

15:55

to a whole new , you see how he bleeped

15:57

himself out , because

16:00

that church where that guy was just at it

16:03

was a curse word in

16:07

the church stratosphere , as

16:09

it involves a former male

16:11

stripper .

16:12

But before we get into that , guys , my name is

16:14

Ruslan and this channel exists to encourage

16:16

, empower and inspire you to

16:18

live a life that blesses God hey

16:20

, go get that guy's subscription .

16:22

He's got some good stuff . Oftentimes he's actually

16:24

like if you watch my stuff , how I live

16:26

stream for a while and then I chop it up and make it into shorts

16:28

, like I stole that from him , like he's

16:30

the guy that I everybody's watching his content

16:33

and seeing what he's coming out with . I'm watching how he's doing

16:35

it and I'm replicating it .

16:36

That requires us to address the

16:38

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16:40

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channel , unfortunately , are not subscribed

16:49

. Now

16:54

let's get into the video . So before we get into Mark Driscoll's call out in front of thousands

16:56

of people in the middle of his talk , let's first look at

16:58

what exactly he was disturbed by

17:00

. Okay , so this is Alex Magala

17:03

. He was on

17:05

America's Got Talent and

17:07

they decided to have him as an

17:09

opening act , which again't

17:11

surprising . Remember last year they had tanks

17:13

. They also had monster trucks before

17:16

, so he's doing some like calisthenic

17:18

type of moves here on

17:20

what and what he's doing .

17:22

This is why he has abs , because no

17:24

regular person can do anything like that .

17:26

That's weird , appears to be a

17:28

stripper pole , and then he goes

17:30

for the swords . He

17:33

swallows a sword , pause and

17:36

okay

17:41

. And then he swallows a sword and climbs to

17:43

the very top of this

17:45

pole . That was the opening act . Now

17:47

again , remember they ? The other

17:49

opening act for this was this

17:51

the other opening act was a monster

17:53

truck . I'm

17:56

not kidding . Now , if you're like me , you

17:58

may be asking why is there a shirtless

18:00

male stripper on a pole swallowing

18:03

swords ? A men's conference

18:05

, a Christian men's conference

18:07

? Well , to be fair , they

18:09

didn't hire a male stripper

18:11

. They hired one of the world's

18:14

best sword-swallowing circus

18:16

acts , if you will . Alex Magala

18:18

was on America's Got Talent . This

18:20

is an act that he does and

18:23

, from my understanding , alex is

18:26

a professing Christian . He's plugged into a local

18:28

church , I believe , in LA , and

18:30

I don't necessarily

18:32

put this on him . I think alex was just there to

18:34

provide entertainment , but it appears that alex

18:37

does come from the night

18:39

life industry of sorts , if you know what I'm

18:41

talking about . And the deeper question

18:43

is who in their right mind

18:45

would think that men , especially

18:48

young men , would want to see a shirtless

18:50

pole performing sword

18:53

swallowing opening act at

18:56

a men's conference ? Let's be honest .

18:59

Some woman ordered this up . It

19:04

was , though they had somebody in charge

19:06

of doing all the scheduling , and it was a woman

19:09

.

19:09

And here we are so clearly

19:11

he's not completely removed from the male stripping scene

19:13

, but are so clearly he's not completely removed from the male stripping scene , but that is

19:15

not what he's currently doing . That is not who

19:17

they brought out . But who they brought

19:19

out just doesn't seem like . It

19:21

struck a chord with the audience there , which

19:23

is another L at the feet of James

19:26

River Church , so it was not shocking that later

19:28

, when Mark Driscoll took the stage , he had this

19:30

to say about the opening act this

19:53

is what he said .

19:53

The reason I'm hoarse is I have been praying for you

19:55

and my heart is very burdened for

19:59

you and I want to be very careful with

20:01

this and it's not what I want to say . But

20:05

the Jezebel spirit has already been here

20:07

. The

20:10

Jezebel spirit opened our event . This

20:13

is a rebuke and a correction of no one . This is

20:15

an observation . Before

20:17

the word of God was open , there

20:20

was a platform . It was a high place

20:22

. On it was

20:24

a pole , an

20:26

asherah the same thing that's used

20:28

in a strip club for women who

20:30

have the Chesapelle spirit .

20:35

Men have strip clubs too , which I'm

20:37

guessing he doesn't know that because he's never been to

20:39

a male strip club , but

20:42

I'm assuming right

20:44

, I don't have to ask my mom about that .

20:46

What is that ?

20:47

Mike , strip thing Like Mike

20:49

.

20:51

I'll have to ask my mom

20:53

To

20:59

seduce men thing like mike , if that's my mom . In front

21:02

of that was a man who ripped his shirt off like a woman does in front

21:04

of a pole at a strip club .

21:04

Men do it too . He's

21:07

not doing very good , is all I'm saying , like

21:09

his what he . Maybe he didn't think

21:11

long enough that man then ascended

21:14

.

21:15

See , our god is not arrogant

21:17

, he doesn't us , and our god is humble , he descends

21:19

. And then he

21:22

swallowed a sword and

21:24

jesus cried okay , pastor john

21:27

, I'll receive that , thank

21:29

you that's the pastor telling

21:32

him you're out of line , mark

21:34

.

21:35

Talk about an awkward moment like

21:37

I can't even . I'm a pastor , for sure , I'm the lead

21:39

pastor , like that . I'm the guy and

21:43

I would . I don't know if I would be able to now

21:45

if he was like going crazy , but to me that didn't seem

21:47

so crazy , but he was putting it on . I

21:49

don't know if I could call somebody out like that in

21:51

the middle of them talking . I

21:54

don't know , that'd just be very weird . Of

21:56

course I wouldn't get a shirtless guy on stage

21:58

either doing pole stuff

22:00

.

22:02

You're out of line . You're done , okay

22:04

. Now watch what happens after

22:06

he gets rebuked and walks

22:09

off the stage . Listen to the audience here .

22:47

So they're booing the pastor

22:49

stage get off the stage

22:51

. They paid to see Mark Driscoll . They didn't

22:56

pay to see this dude .

23:00

Matthew 18 . Anyways , it

23:02

wasn't . It was a public display . It wasn't

23:04

something done anyways . So what do

23:06

you think ? Do you think that

23:10

, first of all , what

23:12

happened was out of line , like

23:15

the whole ? And was he stripping on

23:17

a pole ? No , like

23:19

, absolutely not . Do

23:22

you think mark driscoll was

23:26

accurate

23:28

in his assessment of what happened ? I mean , he

23:30

was using a lot of biblical terminology

23:33

that , to me , had

23:36

nothing to do . Like God

23:38

doesn't ascend , he descends what

23:41

I don't know . Maybe

23:43

that's just me , but that just seems a little like

23:46

comparing something

23:48

biblical to something that . Was

23:51

it wise for them to have that there ? They

23:53

had a monster truck . Did he have to take his shirt

23:55

off ? No , that should have been set up beforehand

23:58

. Hey , we're not gay here . Keep your shirt on , or

24:00

whatever . I don't know .

24:03

If your brother offends , you go

24:05

to him privately . I

24:08

talked to Mark for a half hour . There

24:10

was not one word of that he's

24:12

out of line If you

24:14

want to say it , he can say it to

24:16

me . You may not agree

24:18

with me , you may not agree with him

24:20

, but we are brothers in Christ

24:23

and there's a right way to handle this

24:25

.

24:25

So that's the James River Church

24:27

pastor . Show me the toes guy , that

24:29

guy . So it's important to note that multiple

24:32

things can be true here , and the

24:34

most shocking part about the story that no

24:36

one is talking about I'm going to tell you here in a moment , but first

24:38

let me just say this the response

24:41

of that audience in support

24:43

of Mark Driscoll and against

24:45

this pastor shows me that there

24:47

is a rising up of men

24:50

that are tired of the

24:52

superficial . Let's just

24:54

entertain you and have

24:56

monster trucks and fireworks and

24:58

explosions and sword swallowers

25:01

at these types of conferences , that there's men here

25:03

that are hungry for something , for more

25:05

.

25:05

Yeah , if you want all the explosions

25:08

and stuff like that , like read

25:10

your Bible while you're watching Transformers

25:13

or something Like a Michael Bay movie

25:15

, if you want that and

25:19

he's making a good point here , I'll let him finish in just a second . We

25:22

have become not

25:25

all churches , but the larger churches

25:27

have become places of entertainment

25:29

instead of Christ

25:32

, instead

25:38

of the unadulterated word of God , and this is what

25:40

it produces . You have men's conferences where

25:42

you have a chance to

25:44

really pour into . Now , I'm sure they were going to

25:46

really get some word and stuff like that . Like , I

25:49

understand wanting to be entertained and

25:51

stuff , but it's like where

25:53

do you draw the line between

25:55

trying to draw a crowd

25:57

by

26:00

things , by

26:03

events or

26:05

by the Spirit ? There's

26:09

a big difference , I feel , and I think in

26:12

the church culture we've become so disconnected

26:14

of what that looks like it's hard for

26:16

us to wrap our heads around not

26:19

, or it's hard to not gravitate

26:21

towards wanting

26:23

to entertain , wanting to have programs

26:26

, like my church is

26:28

a church

26:30

of probably 35

26:33

and up . There's very

26:35

little like 20s . Okay

26:38

, I've had people come to my church

26:41

that are in that I

26:43

was gonna say price range in that age

26:45

group of 20s and

26:48

they

26:51

like the church , but they

26:53

don't see people that are their age . Now

26:57

what's the disconnect ? The

27:00

only way that people will start coming , that

27:03

people will be there that is in that

27:05

age group , is if the people that come there in that

27:07

age group stay for a while and

27:10

see how it is . Like that's how

27:12

it is . I

27:14

mean , you can't just just because you don't see people your

27:16

age . To me , that's the perfect

27:19

spot to find the most wisdom

27:21

is around a bunch of people that are older than me . I used to

27:23

hang around , I still do . All the pastors in

27:25

my district or the they

27:27

.

27:27

They ain't no spring chicken anyway , let let's go on and

27:30

are sick of the mockery that

27:32

oftentimes is displayed

27:34

in some of these entertainment-infused

27:37

environments regarding our evangelical

27:40

Protestant circles . I mean , this is partially

27:42

the reason why we are seeing so many people

27:45

leave Protestant circles and

27:47

become Catholics and Orthodox . It's because

27:49

they're honestly tired of the nonstop

27:52

entertainment in terms of how some of this

27:54

goes down . Not all churches , not all Protestant

27:56

churches , not all evangelicals , but some of the bigger ones

27:58

definitely have this sort of stuff and it's

28:00

cringe . Now there are multiple things that can be true

28:02

at once . Shirtless , sword-swallowing

28:05

circus acts probably not the best idea

28:07

at a men's conference .

28:08

Also at the same time— I'm telling you , a woman

28:10

probably scheduled that Also

28:13

at the same time .

28:16

Driscoll rightfully called out

28:18

some of the shenanigans that I think too many people

28:20

are tired of seeing these sorts of events

28:22

. However , if Driscoll

28:24

did have a 30-minute conversation

28:27

with the pastor of this church , as cringy

28:29

as he is , probably should have said

28:31

something to him before he went up to

28:33

say that . Now I'll chalk it up to the reality

28:36

that perhaps Driscoll was sleep-deprived

28:38

. He was tired . He said he had been up since 1 am

28:40

. His voice was hoarse . He had been praying for these

28:42

people .

28:43

So that's a good thing and

28:45

I said it a minute ago . A little bit Like

28:47

if I have somebody on my stage at my church

28:49

, I tell them the

28:51

parameters of how they are to act

28:55

. For instance , someone asked

28:57

me if a I think a governor

28:59

or somebody

29:02

in politics could come and speak to our people

29:04

and

29:06

I said yes , but I

29:08

know they're a conservative , a Republican

29:10

, I said but if they at

29:13

any moment say and

29:16

demonize a

29:18

Democrat or call left

29:20

or whatever , and they're not just talking about issues

29:22

, they're not explaining how to vote , they're not giving us good

29:24

knowledge and information of the problems

29:27

and things we need to overcome , things we need to vote

29:30

on , but if they demonize a certain

29:32

sect of people and cause division in the church

29:34

, I will walk up there and take the

29:36

mic out of their hand and

29:38

his little thing will be over . They

29:42

haven't got with me yet , which is fine

29:44

, but there needs to be parameters to

29:46

protect from this very thing

29:49

right here , so that there's no confusion

29:51

in the church , there's no issues , there's no

29:53

division , there's a clear definition

29:56

of who we are as

29:58

believers in this body

30:00

, in this church , and we are in

30:02

unity , and that should be

30:05

for every church .

30:07

I would just chalk it up to hey . Driscoll was tired . Perhaps

30:10

he didn't count the cost or calculate what

30:12

he was going to say came out in the moment .

30:13

So let's go on to this next part and then Matthew 8 .

30:15

So , after all this happened , pastor Mark Driscoll and

30:18

Pastor John Lindell , who just kicked him

30:20

off stage , actually go back

30:22

on the stage together .

30:23

Yeah , listen to this and end up having this

30:25

exchange where Driscoll

30:27

apologized to him Now the reason

30:29

he had to do this and think about this . This

30:31

is wise on that dude's part . I

30:34

have a feeling it would not have been a very

30:36

nice rest of the conference or nobody would have come

30:38

back , if he would not have

30:41

had Driscoll come out and

30:43

talk and do what they're doing right here and put some dialogue

30:45

on it . It probably would have been . It

30:47

might have been another stabbing , I don't know .

30:49

And I talked . We went outside

30:52

where we could be alone and we could talk , and

30:54

we've reaffirmed our friendship . Mark

30:57

, I want you to know you're a gift

30:59

to the kingdom . You're

31:01

a gift to James River . You've

31:04

been a gift to Debbie and I . You've helped us

31:06

in things . You've been kind to my

31:08

family and to my sons and

31:11

I love you and I told

31:13

Mark and

31:16

I love you and please everybody here

31:18

, don't leave . He

31:20

says I'll do whatever you want . I said , well , if you're

31:22

willing and we could come in and talk

31:24

. I'm gonna let him talk in a moment . If you're willing

31:26

, I want you to speak again . I

31:28

want to find out about elijah .

31:30

This is fairly grainy footage

31:32

. It's the best we can get . I don't know if they're going to put out something

31:34

from the actual conference . Here is footage

31:37

of driscoll's response to what

31:39

pastor john said to him I believe , what I should

31:41

have done , since I had another session .

31:43

I was thinking about it . It wasn't in my notes . I didn't

31:45

intend to go there . I was up late praying

31:47

for the men . I just can't see it , and

31:49

I should have , between sessions , talked to

31:51

you rather than just verbal

31:54

processing on the stage and as

31:56

the Father .

31:57

Which is true . That's a fair point . Okay

32:00

, this

32:08

is what I tell my leaders in my church if you have an issue , or I have a couple of guys

32:10

that they are my go-to guys , that that minister to the people , they they

32:12

preach when I need somebody to fill in , they

32:15

do a great job . Uh , they

32:18

know and I know . If

32:21

there's an issue in the church , if there's

32:23

some that have asked how come you haven't asked me , and

32:25

I told them because you are not

32:28

in a place where you won't let your

32:30

issues come out of your message . It's

32:32

very hard to do , but you're supposed

32:34

to bring a word from the Lord , not your

32:36

issues with things . And so when you're filling

32:38

somebody else's pulpit and you're

32:41

in a spotlight in someone

32:43

else's place and you don't agree with something

32:45

, you shouldn't use the stage

32:48

for a place to hash

32:50

it out . That

32:53

is not wise , that is

32:55

not unity , it actually causes

32:57

division . So , even

32:59

though Mark Driscoll did not like what was

33:02

done and didn't agree with it , he

33:04

should not have without

33:07

talking to the pastor there in respect

33:09

, theology

33:11

aside , I mean obviously he's there , they know

33:13

each other , they've been friends or something , because he's at the conference

33:15

. He's doing it with this guy . He should

33:17

have taken the time . This is what's

33:20

important . As

33:22

being believers , this is what's important

33:25

as being believers , we

33:36

should want to go out of our way for each other to not embarrass each other , to not

33:38

belittle each other , but to make sure to fight for unity in the

33:40

body , Because it's so easy to not have that unity .

33:42

You could have given me a thumbs up or down , and

33:44

I need to

33:46

honor that as a

33:49

spiritual

33:51

authority know what to do with that .

33:53

All right , I am

33:55

someone that's been blessed by Mark

33:57

Driscoll's ministry in the past

34:00

. I've met Pastor Mark Driscoll before

34:02

. He's been nothing but gracious and encouraging to me , keeping up with some of his stuff . Now I've met Pastor Mark Driscoll before . He's been nothing but gracious

34:04

and encouraging to me , keeping up with some of his

34:06

stuff . Now I love his stuff . We've interacted a

34:08

little bit on social media recently . I

34:10

don't know if he should have apologized , granted , I

34:13

don't know if he should have ever been there to begin with . I don't know

34:15

if he's not aware of some

34:17

of the things surrounding Pastor John

34:19

and James River Church and some of the shenanigans

34:21

that have been coming out there for years .

34:23

He's probably aware of it . I mean , especially

34:25

if this guy just came out and said they've

34:27

been in blessing and friends and blah . I mean they're

34:30

aware you can do conferences

34:32

with people

34:34

that maybe you don't agree with all of the theology

34:36

. It's okay , like if I were to go and

34:39

speak at Bethel Church and

34:42

gave a word from the Lord and

34:45

preached a message . That does not

34:47

say that I agree with all their

34:49

things that they have at

34:51

their church , just like because we sing some

34:53

of their worship stuff that's

34:56

good music , it's biblically sound

34:58

doesn't

35:00

mean that we adhere and preach

35:02

and reproduce their theology

35:04

. It's a

35:06

baby in bathwater situation . You

35:10

can't stop and just say

35:12

, okay , fine , that's

35:14

like me . I don't drink , I will not

35:16

drink . I can't handle drinking because

35:18

I don't stop and

35:20

, being a minister , the Bible says for me not

35:22

to partake . That's a

35:24

personal conviction and that's a biblical

35:27

text that I adhere to . That keeps

35:29

me sober-minded . Okay

35:31

, I can always be sober-minded

35:33

if I'm never drunk . That's

35:35

a fact

35:39

. Drinking is right , especially right

35:41

for me . I

35:45

don't not go to

35:48

restaurants that have bars , like a

35:50

lot of mexican restaurants around here in east texas

35:52

. They they have a bar or they they

35:54

serve beer . If I

35:56

were to stick to that , I wouldn't

35:58

be able to go anywhere . Almost like taco bell

36:01

. Even the theaters theaters uh

36:03

, saw a couple of them that they they serve alcohol

36:05

. So we

36:08

we pick and choose what we want to

36:10

do , how we want to believe , who we want to

36:12

let slide , who we don't . And

36:14

we have to be careful with this , because when

36:16

we start going down that slippery slope we

36:19

can become hypocrites or

36:21

we can just stand

36:25

for nothing and pretend like we're standing for everything

36:27

. I mean , it's really kind of what it is . So

36:30

what do you think ? Do you think Mark Driscoll

36:32

overstepped ? Do you think

36:34

that maybe

36:38

he shouldn't have been there in the first place ? I

36:40

mean , watch some of the clips of him , that

36:42

pastor at that church , some

36:44

of the stuff that he would do . Whether he churched it up

36:46

, whether he manipulated , whether he lied , I

36:49

don't honestly know . I don't know the story , but

36:51

I do know sometimes

36:53

extreme charismatics can

36:55

just they make it sound so good

36:57

and it was nothing close , and what

36:59

this does is then it makes it where

37:01

, when something does happen , people won't believe

37:03

it and that damages

37:06

the validity

37:08

of God's power to those

37:10

that do not believe . And so we have to

37:12

be careful on how we do things , how we

37:16

go about everything

37:19

that we do . We

37:22

need to be on guard . Do things on purpose . You should not live a haphazard

37:24

, shoot-from-the-hip Christian life . You

37:26

should be living your life for Christ on

37:28

purpose , every single day . You

37:30

should be reading your Bible , if you're a believer , every

37:32

single day . Why ? Because I guarantee you there's

37:35

somebody out there who does not believe that

37:37

probably reads it more than you . So

37:39

, anyways , that was free . So what do you

37:41

think ? Mark Driscoll ? Should

37:44

he ? Should he not ? When he came back on stage , should

37:46

he have apologized ? My personal

37:48

opinion yes , he's at someone

37:51

else's conference . To me

37:53

, he let a

37:56

kind of not necessarily a personal

37:58

conviction , but an opinion on something . The

38:01

things that he said when he was

38:03

addressing the people and he used

38:05

the Bible to talk about it . Just

38:07

, it didn't even add , it didn't even make sense to me . So

38:10

personally , I

38:12

don't think it was . It was just weird

38:14

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38:16

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