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Faith and Failure's podcast

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.

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All right , so moving on . So I don't know if you've

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heard of the . He's

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not a podcaster . I think he has a podcast , but

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he is a a a TV

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show host . His name is Bill Maher

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. He is one of the most outspoken

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outright in your face

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atheist , calling people of

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religion , and

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especially the Christian faith

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, stupid . So the

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topic of today is talking about

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atheists . So let's see when he's

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pressed on his issues , when he's pressed

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on what he believes , when he's pressed on why

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he thinks this way , let's

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see what he actually

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can come up with . So I've

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referenced this channel multiple times

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on my channel , a

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TV show called what Do you Mean , one

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of my favorite YouTube channels , probably

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of all time . So

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let's watch this together and see what

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he comes up with If you are stupid and dangerous

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.

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It's ironic we're discussing this has been Shapiro's

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song Facts has been trending number one on Apple

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Music because Bill Maher , a

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vocal atheist , recently released a

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clip showing how he reacts when presented with

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facts about the evidence for Jesus . Now

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, given that Bill claims that his loyalty is only

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to the truth , my only loyalty always

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is to the truth . Let's see how he responds

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when given facts about Jesus . I

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believe in Jesus , by the way . We'll talk about that , oh

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.

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I didn't . I went to Catholic school my whole life . But after

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reading this book Case for Christ by Lee

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Schraubel , the factual evidence

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that he existed is kind of overwhelming

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.

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I'd like to see that , because the factual

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evidence that he existed has always been underwhelming

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.

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And we're already off to a bad start

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. Bill Maher claiming that the evidence for the existence of

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Jesus is underwhelming shows that he

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just isn't familiar with the evidence . Jesus's

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existence is a historical fact that virtually

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every scholar , whether religious or

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secular , agrees on , and in the words of

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the number one rapper in the world right now I think

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that Bill just needs to . Let's look at the

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stats . The truth is , we have more historical

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sources on Jesus than any other figure

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in ancient antiquity , and even Wikipedia

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will tell you that . We have several non-Christian

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sources during the time that corroborate his

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existence , such as Tacitus , josephus

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and Plainty the Younger . It's the actual

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facts that prompted the most prominent atheists

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that's working as a New Testament scholar to say

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this about Bill's views .

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There is a lot of evidence . I mean there is so much

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evidence that it

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is not .

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I mean , I know in the crowd you Do , you see how

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he's like stumbling over Because he's

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like a pronounced

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atheist and

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he's kind of backtracking right now publicly . So

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he's like you

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know well , we did good out there today . It's

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kind of funny to watch him stumble . Hold

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on , I want to watch it again . There is a lot of

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evidence .

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I mean there is so much evidence that

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it is not . I

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mean I know in the crowds you all run around

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with it's commonly thought that Jesus did not exist . Let

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me tell you , once you get outside of your conclave there's

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nobody who I mean . This is not even an issue

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for scholars of antiquity . There

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is no scholar in any college or university .

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That's a big statement coming from a

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well-known out there atheist . That's

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Bart Arman is like one of the top

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atheists . That is straight up Like

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. He is known in the community

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pretty much by everybody . He's

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like a household name in the atheist community .

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Diversity in the Western world

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. Who teaches classics , ancient

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history , New Testament , early Christianity

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, any related field

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? Who doubts that Jesus existed ?

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So if Bill wants to call the evidence for the existence

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of Jesus underwhelming , then that's a

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problem with his historical criteria . Not

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the evidence , but what ? Until you

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hear what he says next .

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If I told you okay

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, if I told you factual evidence about

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Alexander the Great , you would believe me .

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Okay , but even still it's

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a silly point , because who cares if

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Jesus lived , it's whether he's then

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died and was reborn and

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is up in heaven with his father . Who's really him ? That's

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the part where the rubber meets the road . Maybe

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he existed ? I agree that's absolutely possible

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.

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He may have existed , so seemingly

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being aware that his he went back on his

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word Position goes against all

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of the actual facts , bill

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decides to concede the point that maybe

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Jesus existed . All right , now hold on , ben

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, don't get too excited . He grants this

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, but says that it's a moot point anyway , because it

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doesn't mean that he performed miracles or

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was raised from the dead . Hmm

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, yeah , I know , buddy , now

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We'll come back to this point .

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But first let's hear , there's been Shapiro

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again . What else bills which

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? If you don't know , if you're watching this live right now

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, ben Shapiro

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is a Jew and he

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is the , the historical

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Jew . So they , they do not believe that

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Jesus came . He doesn't have deity

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. He may have been a teacher , but

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he was not who he said he was

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, which is why you know they

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crucified him , because he said he was God

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, that if you've seen me , you've seen the father . So

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he's , he's claiming to be a

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From God

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, he is God and they crucified

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him . But Ben Shapiro does not believe that at all

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. Except this

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is where it's a blind spot , or you

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have a selective , selective

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dumbness . I don't know what else we call it . Because he , he

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knows Like

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, he's smart enough to know the facts , to be able

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to follow the logic , follow the historical documents

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, and he , for some reason , he will not

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admit to it says I'm

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gonna have to bust your bubble

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now , because here here's , I have to spit

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a couple of facts at you that are kind of

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under .

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Okay , there's only two sources in the Bible

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. There's the four Gospels

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Matthew , mark , luke and John . Okay , there's

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also another guy , joseph is who wasn't accepted

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, but not in the Bible . Okay

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, okay , but the Bible is itself

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an anthology . There they

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found some few decades

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ago the Dead Sea Scrolls , right , which are

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other books that were just basically edited

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out . So right away we know a person

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Decided what constituted

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the Bible and just some stuff wound

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up on the cutting room floor , dude .

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Just just just dude , all

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right . So , as you just heard , bill retreats

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from saying that Jesus didn't exist and to

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arguments that the gospel accounts of Jesus were

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legends that were Invented several centuries

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after Jesus's death . But once again

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, even though he presents this as facts , everything

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that he's saying is actually in spite of

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the actual facts . He says that there's

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only two sources for the Bible which he's wrong

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about , by the way but he identifies those two

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sources as the gospel authors and Paul

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, but doesn't seem to realize that the gospel

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writers nor Paul are even relevant to the

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Dead Sea Scrolls facts . The

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writings of Paul and the gospel writers were for the

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New Testament , but the Dead Sea Scrolls

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didn't even include the New Testament at all

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. And , for context , the Dead Sea Scrolls

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were scrolls that were found in the Kumbh Rang caves Alongside

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of the Dead Sea that were previously untouched

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for thousands of years and , contrary

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to Bill's claims , the scrolls in the cave

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only Included Old Testament books , which

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didn't include any extra biblical books

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from the old or the New Testament . Now

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, yes , it's true that there were some non biblical books

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that were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls , but that's

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only because the Dead Sea Scrolls were an ancient

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library of different kinds of books

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and different kinds of pieces of literature . There's

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simply no evidence that any of the non

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biblical books that were found were ever viewed

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as scripture . Ain't that right , ben ? That's

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right , the shizzle . So it

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appears that once again , bill is claiming

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to appeal to facts without knowing , or

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seemingly , understanding , the facts at all , leaving

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Ben disappointed . Now , these

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type of errors going for a while , by the way , like when

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he talks about how Matthew , mark , luke and John

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weren't contemporaries of Jesus to

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the Council of Nicaea , having something to do with

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the formation of the Bible , and so on . But Perhaps

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the most egregious and possibly

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the strangest of all of the facts that he

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got wrong is the next one , which is

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really bad news for Bill because , once corrected

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, it undermines all of his arguments

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that he gave against Jesus for the entire

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podcast episode . Take a listen

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.

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St Paul is the other

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source of the Bible . Yes , there's Mark

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, matthew , luke and John . I said the two

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names out of order because that's the order in the

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Bible . The first Gospel

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mark is 70 AD

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. Jesus dies in 33 , so

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that's 40 years , almost after he

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died . Okay , so not contemporaries

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. Paul Comes before

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the Gospel writers . He's writing around

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the year 50 , in the 50s

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. Okay , so he's much closer to Jesus's

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time . So you'd think he would know

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more about Jesus than the people who came later

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. But actually St Paul knows

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almost nothing about Jesus . He barely

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conceives of him as something that as

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a person who lived on earth . There's no details

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about his life like they are in the Gospels , so

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the people who came later know more than

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the person who wrote earlier . Just

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some food for thought .

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Paul aka Saul knows

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that Jesus existed . Right

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, that's like . That's like somebody saying that

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if I write a book , I

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should be able to write the

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life story of someone

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who lives , even someone who's

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well known in the area . I should

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be able to write the life story of people

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in Tyler , texas . Now

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, that does not make any sense at all , because

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how in the world , even

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if they are a more famous person , every person

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in Tyler , in that region , can know

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them , but I could not have any

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idea who they are because of what

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I'm doing over here . That doesn't even

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add up in logic . I

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mean , I thought it was a spacebar .

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He talks about it . He talks about it . I'm

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saying he conceives him as a Godhead . He

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doesn't have this . It's not

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the narrative that's in the Gospels .

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Of Jesus went

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around and he did miracles , because

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that was already written , like

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that wasn't the purpose of Paul's writings .

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He does stuff and everybody loved him

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and he gets quoted a lot . He makes speeches

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. Blessed are the meek . He has

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adventures , he goes into the desert . It's

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a whole thing , but what about ? And

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then at the end it's a whole drama

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with . You know , he's crucified

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. No , paul doesn't

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know any of this . All the stuff

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that the Gospel writers obsess about and

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that are his biography .

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Okay . So first off , what's interesting

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about this objection is that Bill actually

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answered his own objection when he

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said that Paul doesn't mention all the stuff

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that the other Gospel writers obsess about

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in their biographies Biographies

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the Gospel writers are writing biographies

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, not Paul . Paul wasn't trying to

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give a historical account of Jesus's life , but

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instead he was writing to the churches that needed

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guidance and correction . So once you understand

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that , then you realize that it's really kind of silly

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to object to Christianity by pointing out how

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Paul didn't give a detailed account of Jesus's life

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, since he wasn't even trying to . This

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is a meritocracy right here . Secondly

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, and even worse , when Bill says that Paul didn't

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mention things like Jesus performing miracles or

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being crucified , he's wrong on that count

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as well . In fact , paul talks about Christ being

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crucified several times in the New Testament

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and even goes so far to say that he's determined

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to know nothing except for Jesus and

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him crucified . And when it comes to claims

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about Jesus's miracles , paul continuously

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talks about Jesus's greatest miracle

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, which is at the heart of Christianity

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the miracle of the resurrection

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. Paul mentions the resurrection of Jesus over

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a couple dozen times in the New Testament

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, quotes a creed in 1 Corinthians 15

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and a hymn in Philippians 2 that he

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got from the early church was affirmed the

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resurrection and goes back to just months

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after Jesus's death . So even

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if Bill were right that the Gospel writers and Paul

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didn't write about Jesus's miracles until decades

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after Jesus's death , it really wouldn't

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matter , since we know for a fact that the first Christians

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believed in the crucifixion and the miracle

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of the resurrection after Jesus's death

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, and that fact alone

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is enough to completely disprove Bill's

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entire theories of Jesus not existing

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and the Gospel accounts of Jesus's life

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being legends . Now I know that Bill doesn't

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particularly like the actual , true

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facts about Jesus , but in the words of the

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hottest MC out right now Now

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. So much more could be said about all of the points

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that Bill brought up in that interview , but honestly

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I thought that the video would be too dry and boring

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to respond to all of the countless other things

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that he got wrong in the video . So I went ahead

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and link some other videos down below that cover

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some of the other errors that he made , if you

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want to go ahead and learn more .

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So that right there is usually

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like Bill Maher , he usually has

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a kind of how Ben

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Shapiro does when you talk about the resurrection of

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Jesus , kind of like . That doesn't really interest

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me . So the

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presupposition that they have in their mind and

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you could say that about believers too

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we come from a place of

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faith . We come from a place of believing that the Word

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of God is infallible

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, that it is from God

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, god breathed , inspired

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by the Holy Spirit . So

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you can say the same thing about us . But we

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are . I

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am I'm not going to say about anybody else , I am

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a measurement , I am a

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testimony of the Bible

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being true , that the Bible being what

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it says , it is that the things

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inside of there , whether

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you believe in God or not , like

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you can live . Joe Rogan even said this that

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you can live your life according

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to the Bible and have a much

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more fulfilled and

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sustainable happiness than

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you would without it . So my challenge

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to you is , if you don't know God or

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you don't believe in God , start

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reading and

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just see what happens . Something

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that happened to me was that once

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I began to read and get hungry for God's word

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, there was a spark

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of hunger that

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I had . I didn't even realize

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was there and it began to

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open up my spirit

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and

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drown out my flesh and it began

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to awaken the

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spirit man inside of me and

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I can't even describe to

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you the freedom it gave me

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once I understood , like it gave

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me purpose , how

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many people walk around in life just not

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even knowing what they're here for . The

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word of God will give you that direction . The

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word of God will give you that

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life in your life that you

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need . And I

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mean don't knock it till you try it . You

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know what I mean . Read the word , even if you don't believe

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. Read the word

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. And I challenge you , if

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you know God , if you don't know God , like you'll

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never have a deeper understanding until you say

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pray and say

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God , holy

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Spirit , reveal to me what you want me to see

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and get ready , because the

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ride is real .

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