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Well, hello, faithful politics listeners.

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And if you're joining us on YouTube, our

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viewers, thanks for coming and being with

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us today. We're excited to welcome on to the show

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today, Sean Patrick Theriault, to our

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podcast. Sean's an innovative entrepreneur and a

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passionate community builder.

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He's founded Open Spectrum Incorporated, a

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consulting firm that offers crucial

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insights in the data industry, data center

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industry, rather.

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He's also driving force behind mark37

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.com, which curates products and services

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for a sovereign lifestyle and a co

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-founder of Intelligence On Demand, a team

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dedicated to combating misinformation.

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Sean's work reflects his deep commitment

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to decentralization, privacy and

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empowering communities through technology.

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Welcome to the show. Thanks so much for being with us here,

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Sean, and I hope I pronounced your last

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name correctly. It's...yeah.

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Yep. But most of our last names are all

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bastardized over the years, right?

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So I mean, it used to be T -H -E -R -I -A

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-U -L -T, French, the French way of

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spelling it. There you go.

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I mean, mine, yeah, mine was Bertram and

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it began as Buttram.

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So think about that one for a little bit,

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dude.

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That's how it was in the old English.

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So anyway, hey, man. So thanks for joining us today.

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Tell us a little bit about yourself. I know I gave a brief bio there, but kind

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of talk to us a little bit about yourself

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and what's what's gotten you to where you

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are today, where you're so interested in

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decentralization, privacy in empowering

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communities through technology.

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Yeah, so I'm born and raised in North

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Shore of Chicago.

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If you've seen the movie Home Alone, a

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Risky Business, that's basically where I

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grew up. Spent most of my teenage years there,

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ended up having an opportunity to go to

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California for university in the Bay Area

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during the peak of the boom in 98.

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So I was at Santa Clara University in

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Santa Clara, California, right in Silicon

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Valley from 98 to 02.

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and then I effectively moved to the beach

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from there coming from Chicago.

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I figured if I'm going to be living in

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California, I want to live on the beach.

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So I moved to Santa Cruz, California,

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which if anyone has ever known or been

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around Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz is like the

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hippiest of the hippies live in Santa

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Cruz. I think you guys are near North Carolina,

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right?

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You're in Virginia. So not too far from Asheville.

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Asheville is basically considered the

2:50

Santa Cruz of the East coast.

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So I spent a lot of time with some very

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free thinking, open minded, you know,

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crazy hippies, libertarians.

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In fact, I got very involved in politics

3:03

around the Ron Paul campaign.

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So that's really where I started digging

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into how the sausage is made in DC, even

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though I was an econ polysci double major.

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But I've been following the money my whole

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life and really trying to teach people and

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educate people on. you money, what is currency, what has value.

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I was very grateful and thankful to have a

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father who started sitting me down at an

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early age and starting to teach me these

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things and made me read.

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Have you guys ever heard of the book or

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watched the series The Creature from

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Jekyll Island? No.

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heaven. highly recommend it. It's all about the history of money, the

3:40

history of currency, the Federal Reserve

3:44

Bank, and really just educating people on

3:44

how our monetary system became what it is

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today. It's essential learning, I think, for all

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humans, let alone citizens.

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I think you guys would greatly appreciate

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digging into that.

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But long story short, as a result of that,

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I've been called a conspiracy theorist my

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whole life. And so I've thankfully been proven correct

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on pretty much everything.

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that has played out over the last couple

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months and years.

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We have the World Economic Forum.

4:15

I don't know if you guys have heard of the

4:15

World Economic Forum.

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So out in Davos, they're all openly

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speaking about globalization, openly

4:23

speaking about the destruction of states,

4:23

openly speaking about depopulation, all

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these things that I've been trying to,

4:29

central bank digital currencies, the...

4:37

social credit scores, like all of these

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things that they are now openly saying we

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want this, we need this, we're gonna be

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working towards this, is what I've been

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trying to warn people about for decades

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and now it's all starting to play out.

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So for better or worse, it is what it is.

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But for me, I've been in the IT industry

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my whole life and I've followed the money,

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saw that all the money was coming from

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these same people that are in Davos, are

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the ones funding the venture capital and

5:02

the private equity firms that are funding.

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the technology companies.

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And so I realized what was going on and

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started really realizing after 9 -11, if

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you can imagine this, I actually read the

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Patriot Act.

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Very few people have actually read this

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document, but it is a absolutely

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terrifying document if you read it,

5:22

because what it does is it essentially

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gives carte blanche to our military and to

5:27

our government to spy on its own citizens

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under the guise of national security.

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So when this came out, I was warning all

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of my friends and family that this was

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going to be leveraged against the American

5:38

people.

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And they said, that'll never happen. This is just going to be used for the very

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specific use case of these terrorists in

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Iraq and Afghanistan and wherever, Syria,

5:47

Russia.

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And I said, no, all this does is give

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legal cover for what our intelligence

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agencies have already been doing,

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basically stripping away our privacy

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through data collection. And I lived through that in Silicon

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Valley.

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So if you went into a VC meeting or a

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private equity meeting and you didn't have

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a data story to your pitch, you were not

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getting funding.

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You had to in some way incorporate how

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you're going to be aggregating and pulling

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data from your customers in order to get

6:20

funding because they knew how valuable

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that data was going to be. So here we are in, you know, what is it,

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2024.

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in a dynamic where the surveillance state

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is everywhere.

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This is not a left or right or a

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conservative or liberal topic.

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This is a simple reality. Your device that you carry around in your

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pocket is listening to you all day every

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day. Everyone knows it.

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This is not like, no, that's not, no, it

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is.

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Everyone knows it is because they talk

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about something and then they see ads for

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it. And they're like, how the heck did that

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happen? So the simple question is, how do you feel

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about that?

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And literally, 90 plus percent of the people that I asked

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that question to, again, doesn't matter

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what political spectrum you are, they're

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not a fan.

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They're not, they don't like it, right?

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So the real question is, so what can we do

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about it?

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So I spend my time traveling the country,

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educating and training organizations and

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groups and individuals on the reality of

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all the different ways that big tech has

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gone about invading our lives,

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infiltrating our lives, making it so that

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things are so convenient.

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that were oblivious to exactly all the

7:29

ways that they're sucking and pulling our

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data and then walking people through,

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well, what can we do about it?

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How can we get these companies out of our

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way?

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You know, that's really cool.

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I have a friend in Washington state who

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will love everything that you just said.

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He's an old army buddy of mine.

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And he was really reluctant to get like a

7:51

smartphone for years and years, you know,

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and anybody kind of part of the military

7:59

will have like a little clique of military

8:04

friends. And there's always like the one person

8:05

that, you know,

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says some really weird stuff and you're

8:08

just like, okay, that's Johnny or

8:12

whatever. But then it's like, you see all these

8:12

things actually come to fruition and be

8:17

like, man, maybe Johnny was right all

8:17

along.

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He was way ahead of us.

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I was thinking about this going into this

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interview, the amount of data that's

8:34

available to Josh and I.

8:36

just as a result of having a podcast, like

8:36

we, from our hosting provider to YouTube,

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is almost scary.

8:45

Like, we're not smart enough to know what

8:45

to do with it, to market, you know, in a

8:50

way that makes sense, but like big

8:50

businesses, like are smart enough to know

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how to market and use that data.

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So like, how can one, how can one protect

8:56

their data?

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Or is that even possible?

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Yeah they totally can. So it's just a matter of how much data are

9:04

you putting out there.

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So think of it in this perspective.

9:10

Facebook Google Microsoft Amazon all these

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big tech companies Apple they're

9:17

constantly harvesting and collecting data.

9:59

So if you're using a Google operating

9:59

system if you're using an Apple operating

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system Microsoft Windows operating system

10:03

Amazon operating system if you're using

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Alexa if you're using Siri right.

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You're constantly feeding. data and these devices are just data

10:12

harvesting machines.

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That's what they're intended to do. That's why they want you to continue to

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buy newer, newer things, right?

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It's not because of the marginal tiny

10:21

little difference in the picture quality,

10:27

right? It's because they've added more processing

10:27

power, they've added more RAM, more CPU,

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so they can harvest more data, they can

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process that data on the device that

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you're paying them for before it gets

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shipped off into their cloud environment.

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you So we all have our own profiles that are

10:43

sitting in this cloud that all these

10:49

companies share and there's a dollar

10:49

amount that's tagged to your profile, each

10:53

one of your profiles, based on your

10:53

demographics, where you went to school,

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what your income bracket is, where you

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live, yada, yada, yada, right?

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So the more data you feed into this Borg

11:00

system, the more value is gonna be

11:06

attached to your profile, right?

11:09

So from a marketing perspective, that

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makes perfect sense.

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It's brilliant, right? But here's where the scary part comes in.

11:16

It's when we start to realize that this is

11:16

psychological warfare.

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Because you can use the reality that if I

11:20

know what someone's buying, I know where

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they're going, where they've been, I know

11:26

their friends, I know how they communicate

11:31

with their friends, the language that they

11:31

use, I know what's triggering them, I can

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then start to shape a narrative that I

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want them...

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to believe. So by pushing information or withholding

11:40

information, you can start to shape the

11:46

minds of the masses.

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And this is what our government has been

11:48

doing, not just overseas in other

11:53

countries to manipulate elections and

11:53

whatnot, but it's what they're doing in

11:57

this our own country. So if I'm a global corporation, and I

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could care less about nation states,

12:05

right, and I simply want people to move in

12:05

a certain direction,

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I can certainly use that data because I

12:08

can say I want to go after this specific

12:13

demographic. I want every African American male between

12:14

the age of 40 and 50 years old who makes

12:19

between 200 and $400 ,000 that has at

12:19

least two kids, you can narrow it down.

12:24

They say, okay, that's about 25 ,000

12:24

people, whatever it might be.

12:28

And your cost to address that population

12:28

is gonna be X, right?

12:33

And they don't care what you're gonna push

12:33

to them.

12:36

They do not care what you're going to push

12:36

to them.

12:38

You can be sending text messages to that

12:38

population.

12:41

You could be doing ads on Facebook or

12:41

Instagram or Twitter or whatever it is.

12:45

They don't care. So for people to think, well, this

12:46

information is only going to be used for

12:50

marketing purposes. It's not going to be used to try to

12:51

influence an election or try to influence

12:55

the popular opinion in any perspective.

12:58

Like you're living with your head buried

12:58

in the sand.

13:01

You're living in some kind of clown world

13:01

universe.

13:03

Right. Right.

13:06

100%. So for us, I decided I'm not okay with

13:07

that and I need to do something about it

13:12

and people need to do something about it. And it's really pretty simple.

13:15

Have you guys heard of Linux? So Linux is an open source operating

13:18

system for laptops and desktops.

13:23

What Linux does is it gives you control of

13:23

your device.

13:27

You no longer have Microsoft, you no

13:27

longer have Apple running your device on

13:32

the backend. performing updates whenever it wants,

13:33

reinstalling applications that you may

13:38

have deleted, turning on certain settings

13:38

that you may have turned off, doing things

13:43

that you have no idea what it's doing

13:43

because it lives in a closed source code

13:48

environment. That means you can't see the code, right?

13:52

In an open source environment, everybody

13:52

has access to the code.

13:56

It's like having the full blueprints to

13:56

your house and you're giving it to

13:59

everybody and you're saying, Where is there a threat in my house?

14:03

Can someone come in underground? Can someone come in through a window?

14:06

And if that's the case and I need to patch

14:06

that, I can create a patch and then I can

14:11

push that out to the whole environment and

14:11

say, does this patch make sense?

14:15

Is this gonna solve the problem? And the community can say yes or no or

14:17

whatever.

14:19

Hey, you also left out, by patching it

14:19

this way, now someone else can come in

14:24

through another route, right? So with an open source environment, you

14:25

know if something's been fixed or not.

14:29

and you have a community of people that

14:29

have eyeballs on it.

14:31

In a closed source environment, to your

14:31

point about trust, you're supposed to just

14:35

trust Microsoft, or trust Apple, or trust

14:35

Google.

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don't worry about it, we've taken care of

14:40

it.

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Shouldn't be a concern of yours anymore.

14:45

But what I learned in technology, working

14:45

in Silicon Valley, working in DC, having

14:51

had conversations with intelligence folks,

14:54

is that for national security reasons,

14:54

every one of these major technology

14:58

companies have provided backdoor access to

14:58

those environments.

15:04

And that is in part why these environments

15:04

are kept closed source, because they don't

15:10

want companies and individuals and

15:10

organizations to know exactly how they're

15:15

accessing your devices.

15:18

So from a comms perspective, Will, you

15:18

said you were in the military, right?

15:23

Coms is absolutely imperative in military.

15:26

You have to protect and control your coms,

15:26

100%.

15:30

If I have control of my enemy's coms,

15:30

where I have access to my enemy's coms, do

15:35

I tell the enemy, hey guys, I've got

15:35

access to your coms?

15:40

No, you keep your mouth shut.

15:42

You want them to be as ignorant about the

15:42

fact that you have full access and control

15:46

of their coms as possible.

15:49

Because then you see what they see, you

15:49

hear what they hear, right?

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That's exactly what's playing out.

15:55

So we have these three letter agencies and

15:55

these big global corporations that have

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full access to all of our comms all the

16:00

time.

16:04

And they've kept people completely

16:04

ignorant about that fact.

16:09

And it's no wonder why those who are

16:09

fighting for sovereignty and people who

16:13

are fighting for digital freedom and

16:13

privacy or election integrity or whatever

16:17

it might be, why it is that the enemy

16:17

knows what's happening before it's

16:21

happening. because they continue to use these devices

16:22

that are controlled by the enemy.

16:26

So Josh and Will, simple question that I

16:26

have for you guys.

16:31

If we're at war, right?

16:33

I believe that we're at war right now, but

16:33

whatever.

16:36

If we're at war, right?

16:38

And I give you a weapon, and I say just so

16:38

you know, there's a GPS tracking device on

16:43

this, there's a camera and a microphone.

16:45

All of that information from that is

16:45

actually being fed to the enemy.

16:50

And I'm not gonna explain to you how to

16:50

use this weapon.

16:52

I'm just gonna tell you if you pull this

16:52

trigger, it shoots, it fires, you know.

16:56

That's all I'm gonna tell you.

16:59

Would you use that weapon in combat?

17:04

I mean, do I have access to another

17:04

weapon?

17:09

I've got some follow -ups. I've got some follow -up questions.

17:12

you wanna find access to another weapon,

17:12

right?

17:15

Because you're just walking into a losing

17:15

battle if they know exactly where you are.

17:20

And by the way, they can turn that weapon

17:20

on and off at will, right?

17:26

And via that weapon, they know all the

17:26

other weapons that are connected near you

17:31

and around you, right? Like, that's exactly what this is.

17:35

This is a psychological warfare weapon

17:35

that they have spent trillions of dollars,

17:41

inventing and investing in to control the

17:41

population.

17:46

And it's not just companies, because as

17:46

you guys probably know, the DOD and DARPA

17:52

have put a lot of money into these

17:52

companies and into these businesses

17:56

helping to develop this technology to

17:56

figure out how they can influence people

18:01

through this tech. So that's the paradigm that we live in

18:03

today.

18:06

And My whole shtick is we just need to get

18:06

educated and informed and be aware of this

18:11

because the more they encroach across this

18:11

line and get into everything in our lives,

18:17

we will be in, and I think we're already,

18:17

excuse me, we're already in a 1984, you

18:22

know, the book 1984 State, where they

18:22

have, you know, Big Brother is living on

18:27

the wall and they say, well, you have to

18:27

have this in your house.

18:32

for national security reasons, and we're

18:32

only gonna use it to push out updates from

18:36

the president, or only gonna push out

18:36

national news that is relevant for you,

18:42

with the reality that we know that it's

18:42

looking and listening and spying all the

18:45

time, so that if you violate wrong think,

18:45

you get sent off to the authorities.

18:50

That's where we're going. That's exactly how things play out in

18:52

North Korea, that's exactly how things

18:55

play out in China, and in other.

18:58

communist countries around the world that

18:58

have this level of sophistication.

19:02

And for me, I don't want to live in that

19:02

paradigm.

19:05

Do you guys want to live in that paradigm?

19:08

Now, I'm curious, two questions actually.

19:13

Maybe you can talk to us about your cell

19:13

phone.

19:17

Is your cell phone different than ours?

19:21

Yes. So the only difference is that this phone

19:21

runs a open source operating system called

19:26

Graphene OS. It is the most private and secure open

19:28

source mobile operating system on the

19:32

market today. So what this does is every application

19:33

that is downloaded onto this device, I can

19:38

download Facebook if I want. People always ask, well, what about this

19:39

app?

19:42

What about that app? You can use any app.

19:44

The difference is when I download that app

19:44

and I click, I'm OK with the user terms of

19:49

service. I'm instantly going to start to get

19:50

notifications from this phone that says

19:54

this application wants access to your GPS,

19:54

wants access to your contacts, wants

19:59

access to whatever. So if I download a flashlight app and it

20:00

starts spitting off, hey, this flashlight

20:05

app wants access to your contacts, wants

20:05

access to your GPS, I can be like, nope, I

20:10

don't want to give that information to

20:10

this flashlight app.

20:13

Versus what happens now when you download

20:13

that free app.

20:16

And you click, yep, okay, okay.

20:18

No one reads the terms of service. They don't realize that when they clicked

20:20

okay, they just gave that app full access

20:23

to their device. It now knows everything that's going on,

20:24

knows all different applications you're

20:27

using, when you're using them, and it just

20:27

starts sucking all that data and pushing

20:31

it out because that's how these companies

20:31

make their money.

20:34

So you now gain control and access to

20:34

everything happening on that device.

20:39

Apple's not involved, Google's not

20:39

involved, Microsoft's not involved.

20:42

Any of these big tech companies are not

20:42

involved.

20:44

But if you want them to be involved,

20:44

that's your choice.

20:48

I can download Google Maps, the app Google

20:48

Maps, and then I can give Google Maps full

20:54

access to my GPS and all this information.

20:56

I can choose to do that if I want to.

20:59

Now what I coach people about is there's

20:59

other ways to use these applications on

21:03

your mobile devices that doesn't involve

21:03

you downloading the application.

21:07

You can use Google Maps through a browser.

21:10

You can do it using a VPN.

21:12

You can use it VPN through your browser in

21:12

a private session so that Google has no

21:17

idea who you are and who's actually

21:17

accessing that application through the

21:24

browser, which is what I do every now and

21:24

again when I have to.

21:27

But there's other tools that are out there. Have you guys heard of the company Garmin?

21:33

So really cool company Garmin.

21:35

Garmin is a mapping company.

21:37

A lot of people use it when they're

21:37

backpacking, going on trips and whatnot.

21:40

But what's cool about Garmin, they've

21:40

always had a philosophy that everything

21:44

you're doing is on the device.

21:46

And they've wanted it that way because

21:46

they knew that some of their customers who

21:50

are going to be out in remote locations

21:50

are still going to need to be able to

21:53

navigate without access to data, a data

21:53

plan or a data connection.

21:57

So everything happens on the device.

22:00

You type in a location, it routes you.

22:02

That routing isn't happening in a cloud.

22:04

where they then know where you're going

22:04

and where you've been and try to sell you

22:08

things along the way, it happens on the

22:08

device.

22:11

So that data is stored on the device, kept

22:11

on the device.

22:14

It's not fed to anybody else. So that's just a shift in mentality in

22:15

think, which is not what's your data

22:20

strategy. It's how do we protect and keep that data

22:21

sovereign to you and protected for you,

22:26

right? Not in a cloud somewhere else owned by

22:27

people that are gonna use that data to try

22:31

to harm us. Yeah. So, so my, the, the, the second question I

22:33

had was, was about TikTok.

22:39

I hear a lot of talk about, you know,

22:39

TikTok, the dangers of TikTok.

22:44

my wife uses TikTok. I don't use TikTok. Although we have a TikTok for this, for

22:46

this podcast, but I don't manage it.

22:50

Josh does. So that's all his data. So tell me about TikTok and why is it so

22:52

bad?

22:56

So I would not say that TikTok is so bad.

22:58

I would say that it is doing nothing

22:58

different than what Facebook is doing,

23:02

what Instagram is doing, what WhatsApp is

23:02

doing, what any of these other

23:05

applications are doing. I think part of what is happening, and

23:06

I've been saying this for a long time,

23:10

they're going after social media companies

23:10

and platforms.

23:13

They're trying to stigmatize them as being

23:13

bastions of wrong think and that we can't

23:21

have these applications available to the

23:21

general public because it's not safe.

23:26

Right. That gives them the latitude to then be

23:27

able to control what is and is not on all

23:33

of these applications. Right.

23:35

Control the content that is is not allowed

23:35

on all these applications.

23:39

So for me this is the government trying to

23:39

once again trying to create a creative

23:43

maneuver to try to create legislation that

23:43

gives them the authority to now say what

23:49

content is and is not allowed on the

23:49

Internet.

23:53

Right. That's not okay. This is all going towards a digital ID

23:54

system.

23:58

The entire end game here, the Hegelian

23:58

dialectic, if you guys are familiar with

24:03

that, right? You create the problem already knowing

24:03

what the solution is that you're gonna

24:06

steer people towards, right? They're creating this problem of TikTok

24:08

saying, this is a Chinese -owned company

24:12

and that they're harvesting your data and

24:12

this is being used against you.

24:16

All the other companies are doing it. They're doing the exact same thing, right?

24:20

So they're using this as a means to try to

24:20

say, well,

24:22

Now we need to control, you cannot be

24:22

anonymous online.

24:26

You cannot have an account anywhere online

24:26

unless we know exactly who you are,

24:30

because if you push out any nefarious

24:30

activity, we want to know exactly who did

24:34

it and where you were so that we can find

24:34

you and hold you accountable.

24:37

That's where this is all leading toward,

24:37

which is also leading towards the social

24:41

credit score system.

24:44

That's where it's all leading towards,

24:44

folks.

24:47

man, this is all like, it's like drinking

24:47

through a fire hose.

24:50

And I'm so fascinated by it.

24:53

And I really appreciate one, your passion,

24:53

two, your knowledge ability on everything.

24:59

I think one of my questions is you had

24:59

mentioned like follow the money.

25:03

How is it that someone like me, like I

25:03

have a MacBook Pro, I'm using their iOS

25:10

system or their OS, you know, whatever the

25:10

version is now system.

25:16

How can I take this? hardware that I have and how can I follow

25:17

the money?

25:21

How can I figure it out? Is it possible or do I have to trust

25:23

experts like you that can tell me that

25:29

this is happening? How can I verify it, if that makes sense?

25:33

So, follow the money is pretty

25:33

straightforward, right?

25:36

So Apple is a publicly traded company.

25:38

You can just do the research on the company. Who are the investors in Apple?

25:42

Right? Well, who are the investors in Apple and

25:42

Microsoft and Intel and AMD and all these

25:47

big tech companies, right? Well, funny enough, or not surprisingly

25:48

for some of us who have been doing this

25:52

type of research, State Street, Vanguard,

25:52

Berkshire, Hathaway, BlackRock, right?

25:59

There's only a handful of big equity

25:59

investors.

26:03

that have board seats and controlling

26:03

interest in all of these companies.

26:07

And it's not just tech, right?

26:10

It's not just tech, it's healthcare, it's

26:10

our food, it's our cosmetics, it's

26:16

everything that we are consuming, our own

26:16

and controlled by very few people.

26:21

And again, this is not conspiracy theory.

26:23

You can just do the research.

26:25

And like I said, you know, Will earlier,

26:25

I'm just spitting facts.

26:28

You just do the research and you'll see.

26:31

who actually owns and controls these

26:31

companies.

26:33

And it's the same groups of people.

26:35

So then you have to ask yourself, well,

26:35

what is the ethos of the people that own

26:40

these companies? Well, I've heard the ethos of these people

26:41

because they're the ones sponsoring and

26:45

attending the things like the Bilderberger

26:45

Group, the World Economic Forum, the

26:51

United Nations, and other organizations

26:51

that are very transparent about what

26:55

they're trying to manifest and what

26:55

they're trying to create.

26:58

And it is a totalitarian, state environment that is, you know,

27:00

that's not the world I want to live in.

27:04

But that's the world that those who have

27:04

full control and board seats that control

27:10

these businesses across the board.

27:15

So you can't look at like, well the CEO is

27:15

this guy and he thinks this way.

27:19

Well the CEO is a stooge. In most cases he's just a pawn at the

27:21

company.

27:24

He does whatever his board tells him to do

27:24

so he doesn't lose his job, right?

27:28

He might be a great guy and I hear this

27:28

all the time.

27:31

Well so and so is a great guy, right?

27:34

It's like many politicians. This politician is a great guy.

27:37

I'm sure he's a great guy. I'm sure he kisses babies really great,

27:38

right?

27:41

But does he vote in accordance with your

27:41

ideals?

27:46

90 % of the time when you do the research

27:46

and look at the data, the person who's a

27:51

great guy who goes to your church isn't

27:51

voting the way that he said he was gonna

27:56

vote. And they bank on the fact that you're not

27:56

doing your homework and you're not doing

28:01

your research, which is the same with

28:01

these corporations.

28:04

So as a Christian conservative, like this

28:04

is where I come from, I go insane when I

28:10

hear people talking about, well we have to

28:10

boycott Bud Light.

28:13

We have to boycott Target, we have to

28:13

boycott Liberty Safes, we have to boycott

28:18

Ben & Jerry's. I'm like, why are we not talking about

28:19

boycotting Big Tech when they are

28:24

exponentially more responsible for the

28:24

paradigm that we live in today?

28:29

Exponentially more responsible, to the

28:29

tune of trillions of dollars more.

28:33

We're talking about boycotting, why are

28:33

the talking heads in our movement not

28:38

having this conversation? It's either because they're ignorant,

28:39

they're uninformed, or they are aware,

28:43

they just want to shut up about it because

28:43

they don't want to be deplatformed.

28:46

Because if they're deplatformed, they'll

28:46

lose their monetary streams.

28:50

But you guys are Christians, right?

28:54

So, simple question, right?

28:57

If we're Christians, and Jesus Christ is

28:57

our Lord and Savior, is for me, right?

29:03

Do I serve money, or do I serve God?

29:08

I serve God. Right?

29:10

So for me it's a very simple equation

29:10

because I've been down this road, I was in

29:13

a lucrative career doing what I was doing,

29:13

making a lot of money, but the Lord made

29:17

it very clear to me, and they said, Sean,

29:17

this is your mission now.

29:21

You have to go educate and train people

29:21

and use all the experiences that I've

29:25

given you and the knowledge that I've

29:25

given you to start waking people up.

29:30

so that they start making better decisions

29:30

because our dollars is our ammunition in

29:35

this war. And if we are called to be angels and

29:36

saints, which we are called to be, Christ

29:40

calls us to be angels and saints.

29:43

And we're saying, sorry God, I can't do

29:43

what you've called me to do, speaking

29:47

truth and love to my friends and family

29:47

and everyone else around me in business,

29:51

doesn't matter where, because I'm afraid I

29:51

might get deplatformed, I might lose my

29:56

job, I might whatever, right?

29:58

then you're specifically saying that the

29:58

Lord of Lords, our God of Gods, who moves

30:03

mountains and raises the dead is not more

30:03

powerful than manna.

30:08

That is what you are saying by your

30:08

behavior.

30:11

So I'm livid, obviously, because I have

30:11

this conversation every single day with

30:17

pastors and Christians who have excuses as

30:17

to why they continue to serve manna and

30:24

money and these false idols and not Christ

30:24

the King.

30:30

You know, what's interesting is like

30:30

how...

30:40

I want to make sure I phrase this

30:40

correctly, because it is something that I

30:43

think about. I'm not doubting one bit that our data is

30:44

being used in ways that aren't necessarily

30:50

beneficial to anybody.

30:53

My question is, I'm a dad.

30:56

I've got a job. I've got kids.

30:59

I got one with some pretty severe medical

30:59

issues.

31:02

I don't necessarily spend much time

31:02

thinking about how my data is being used,

31:07

because I'm just like, man, I just got all

31:07

these other things to kind of...

31:09

be focused on. So like, can you make an argument for why

31:11

I should care and how that data could

31:21

potentially be used against me, even

31:21

without my knowledge?

31:25

So it's already being used against you, is

31:25

what my point has been, right?

31:30

Why you think what you think and believe

31:30

what you believe.

31:33

In large part, if you're on these devices

31:33

on a regular basis, using Google for

31:38

search, using Microsoft Bing for search,

31:38

using any of Apple's tools for search,

31:43

they are literally crafting the message.

31:45

We go to these tools and we put them on

31:45

this pedestal as being this authority for

31:52

knowledge, right? when that knowledge is literally being

31:54

manipulated.

31:56

And you guys probably saw the news last

31:56

week, there's a big hoop to do about

32:00

Google's AI image generation system, and

32:00

it was clearly skewing things in a certain

32:06

way. This is how all these systems work.

32:09

They're controlling narrative, right?

32:11

So once you start to realize, Will, that

32:11

maybe a lot of the things that I believe

32:16

to be true may not actually be rooted in

32:16

truth,

32:21

but rooted in a narrative that I've been

32:21

sold and pushed to me over the last God

32:25

knows how many years because I truly

32:25

believe the vast majority of what we've

32:29

been taught, even in school, having gone

32:29

through public school is a lie, is a joke,

32:34

and it's been all leading towards pushing

32:34

at a specific agenda throughout this whole

32:38

period. And if you look at following the money of

32:39

who started our education system, who

32:44

started our CDC system, who started our

32:44

National Institute of Health system,

32:49

These are moneyed interests that had a

32:49

very specific agenda.

32:52

You just have to do the homework and do

32:52

the research.

32:54

So for me, Will, the line in the sand has

32:54

to be crossed for certain people in

32:59

different places. For COVID, like I don't know where you

33:00

guys stood on COVID, but from day one, I

33:04

knew that this was gonna be a massive

33:04

cluster.

33:06

I knew that they were gonna be lying

33:06

through the teeth.

33:08

And it blew my mind that in Santa Cruz,

33:08

California, where I used to live, where

33:13

people, they were anti -authoritarian.

33:16

They hated Big Pharma. They hated big government and yet when

33:18

COVID came out and big pharma and big

33:22

government were spending hundreds of

33:22

billions of dollars to push out a

33:27

narrative that you needed to take this

33:27

vaccine that was untested and just brand

33:32

new into the market. They had no idea what was gonna happen and

33:32

making all these outlandish claims like

33:36

you wouldn't spread COVID if you got the

33:36

vaccine.

33:38

And then they said, 95 % efficacy.

33:41

well, 90%. well, 85%.

33:43

well, we don't really know. You still might get COVID.

33:46

Like making this up. the entire Santa Cruz community just

33:47

bought it.

33:50

And I would be like. This doesn't make any sense to me, why?

33:56

It's because the narrative that they

33:56

consumed, NPR, CNN, MSNBC, and the doctors

34:03

in that community were just feeding them

34:03

this information, so that's what they

34:07

believed to be truth. So we have this paradigm where we have

34:09

people walking down the street in a major

34:13

city being yelled at and screamed at for

34:13

not wearing a mask outdoors, you know, in

34:19

open air, and saying, you

34:23

And then you drive 20 minutes south, and

34:23

this was my reality in Raleigh, North

34:27

Carolina where I used to live. Drive 20 minutes south, everything's open.

34:32

Bars are open, they're open until 2 a

34:32

Restaurants are open, you can walk into a

34:37

grocery store, no one's screaming and

34:37

yelling at you, very few people wearing

34:40

masks, right? So we have this paradigm reality where

34:41

people are like, well, why should I care?

34:45

Why is it a big deal? I don't understand.

34:48

Why don't I just go along and play along

34:48

and not stir the pot?

34:51

And then other people are like, wait, I

34:51

have to think critically over here about

34:54

what I'm doing and why I'm doing it and

34:54

where I'm feeding.

34:58

What are my dollars feeding in this

34:58

process?

35:01

So for me, again, our dollars are our

35:01

ammo.

35:04

I believe that Google, Apple, Microsoft,

35:04

Facebook, Amazon, all these companies

35:10

collectively that make over a trillion

35:10

dollars a year between these five

35:13

companies alone are evil companies.

35:16

I believe that they are part of this

35:16

global apparatus that is trying to destroy

35:20

nation states. I believe that they are trying to bring

35:21

forth a dystopian world view.

35:26

I believe that they are trying to push a

35:26

depopulation agenda, not because I'm

35:32

crazy, but because they tell me that's

35:32

exactly what they're doing.

35:36

Because the CEOs of these companies are

35:36

literally at these events saying, yep,

35:40

that's what we're trying to accomplish.

35:43

So, well, if you're okay,

35:45

giving your data and all of your

35:45

information and that of your families to

35:49

people who are literally proactively

35:49

trying to kill you, that's your decision.

35:53

That's your choice. You can continue to do that.

35:56

And you can say, well, Sean, I don't

35:56

really believe that they're trying to kill

35:58

me. And I can say, just watch any of the Davos

35:58

forums, literally, just watch any of them

36:03

and listen to the people that are on stage

36:03

who are from Google, Microsoft, Apple,

36:08

Amazon, our FBI, our CIA, all the other

36:08

intelligence agencies.

36:14

They're all there being like, yep, yep,

36:14

that's what we're trying to do.

36:18

People need to wake up that this is

36:18

happening, right?

36:21

We're at war right now with people trying

36:21

to kill us and we're giving them free rein

36:26

access to all of our information and all

36:26

of our data.

36:29

That's a problem. But that line in the sand for you has to

36:30

be crossed at some point.

36:33

And I brought up COVID because for some

36:33

people it was wearing the mask where they

36:36

were like, screw that, you're not gonna

36:36

make me wear a mask.

36:39

That was the line in the sand. Other people were, well, you have to get

36:41

the job if you want to continue to work

36:44

here. And they said, nope, I'm not doing that.

36:46

That's where people started to wake up and

36:46

be like, wait a second, can my company do

36:49

that? Can this business force me to do that?

36:52

Is this constitutional? you

36:56

So that line in the sand has to be crossed

36:56

for you.

36:58

It may not be crossed yet. You might still be in a place where you're

36:59

like, eh, no big deal.

37:02

I don't think these companies are evil. And that's fine for you.

37:06

I know for a fact that they are. I've met some of these people that work at

37:08

that level at these companies.

37:11

I know what they're trying to accomplish.

37:13

They are generational wealth. They are evil people.

37:16

And they are trying to cause a

37:16

depopulation event.

37:19

And I'm not OK feeding my information, my

37:19

data into that system.

37:23

So I have two choices. I can go full Amish.

37:25

and just fully step away.

37:28

Or I can figure out how do I best go about

37:28

building a parallel economy, a parallel

37:33

system that I can still operate within, I

37:33

can still do business and commerce, we can

37:38

still have these types of calls,

37:38

communicate with people and not have to

37:43

just step out entirely from the system.

37:46

will just add that Amish do use

37:46

electronics.

37:52

My wife is from Northern Indiana, and she

37:52

lives right in the heart of Amish country.

37:57

And I remember the first time I seen some

37:57

Amish in one of their stores, because they

38:01

make great furniture. They're on cell phones and computers, and

38:03

I'm like, what the what?

38:06

My idea of an Amish was way different.

38:09

They're like, yeah, as long as they're

38:09

using it for work, it's OK.

38:12

They were.

38:14

into that for that My wife was raised in a night and she's

38:15

always someone who used technology.

38:21

But anyway, that's a different show. Yeah, I mean, dude, this is like, I mean,

38:22

one thing is like, you know, I'm just

38:28

again, like, taking it in, thinking about,

38:28

okay, so what does that mean?

38:34

Again, for me in terms of like, so I would

38:34

need to if I wanted to get off of, you

38:42

know, I wanted to be able to continue in

38:42

my commerce, buying and selling, and being

38:47

able to get my kids in education, you

38:47

know,

38:52

doing the kinds of things that you kind of

38:52

feel like has, whether it's just been like

39:00

this is what, they've just defined what a

39:00

good life is now.

39:04

And so this is like, hey, you have to have

39:04

a good life.

39:07

If you're gonna have a good life, it means

39:07

you need a college education.

39:10

It means you need this, this, or this.

39:13

And so what would my steps be if I'm like,

39:13

okay, I totally believe...

39:20

what Patrick's saying, what Sean's saying.

39:23

What are my next steps to download,

39:23

download the different operating system

39:32

and then like, sure, go ahead.

39:37

So what I'm talking about, digital privacy

39:37

and security is no different than physical

39:42

privacy and security. So what do I mean by that?

39:46

You can't just walk into a karate studio

39:46

and say, hey, I've got an hour.

39:50

Can you just sell me something so that I

39:50

can be a black belt?

39:53

That's not how it works. You can't just be like, well, I've got an

39:55

hour. Can you just train me for an hour and then

39:56

make me a jujitsu master?

40:00

That's not how it works, right. You have to...

40:03

I used to train Jujutsu, but anyways, go

40:03

ahead.

40:06

So you have to commit to this, right? And it takes some rewiring of your brain

40:08

and how you think and how you operate and

40:12

how you do things. You can't, well, you can't train someone

40:13

to be a jiu -jitsu master overnight.

40:16

You can't because there's a lot of muscle

40:16

memory that goes into this, right?

40:21

It has to be something that you learn over

40:21

time.

40:24

You don't, you don't become a master

40:24

gardener overnight.

40:28

You don't just buy a raised bed and some

40:28

seeds and then all of a sudden you're

40:31

growing your own food and you know, you

40:31

don't have to go to the grocery store

40:34

anymore. That's not how that works.

40:36

It takes time. You have to learn things.

40:39

You have to learn the process. You have to learn why and how and who and

40:41

where.

40:44

You have to learn things. So the first thing is we have to just

40:45

acknowledge, raise our hand.

40:49

I don't know if you guys know anyone who's

40:49

gone through addiction programs or

40:52

whatnot, I definitely do. But we have to just acknowledge, we're

40:54

addicted.

40:56

I'm an addict, I'm addicted, right?

40:59

I'm addicted to this thing. I have a problem and I'm willing and

41:00

wanting to take the steps to step away

41:06

from this addiction, right? Once you make that step and you

41:08

acknowledge and you admit, okay, let's now

41:12

surround you with not only some people who

41:12

can help coach you through the process of

41:16

which there's a huge community online, if

41:16

you go to

41:19

If you go to true social or gab or on

41:19

Twitter find mark 37 .com Or or Jeffrey

41:26

Peterson's got a great program. There's so many options that are available

41:28

right now literally

41:31

tens of millions of people around the

41:31

world that are starting to wake up and

41:33

help each other through this program. So you're not alone, you can find a

41:35

community to help you through the process.

41:38

That's one. Two is we provide you the tools.

41:40

So whether it's the phones or the laptops,

41:40

you can learn how to do all this yourself.

41:44

You can learn how to rip Google off of

41:44

your device and install an open source

41:48

operating system. You can learn how to rip Mac OS off of

41:49

your Macbook.

41:53

You can learn how to rip Windows off of

41:53

your PC and install Linux and open source

41:58

operating system. You can learn how to do all this stuff

41:59

yourself. But in many cases, people don't have that

42:01

technical acumen, so they would rather

42:05

someone else just do it for them. So that's where we have tools.

42:08

You can buy them on our website, you can

42:08

buy the laptop, you can buy the phone.

42:13

It's already preloaded with those open

42:13

source operating systems.

42:16

It's already preloaded with two dozen

42:16

apps.

42:20

that we've vetted that are owned by good

42:20

people in the same fight as us that are

42:24

protecting your data and your privacy with

42:24

those apps.

42:28

So like a mapping application that does

42:28

what I told you guys earlier does.

42:32

Browsers, whatever, VPN tools, all these

42:32

different tools that we can coach and

42:36

train you on how to use, but they're

42:36

already there, ready to go.

42:39

You don't have to figure it out. So that's an option.

42:42

But then you have to say, okay, my dad, my

42:42

70 some odd year old dad, his threat,

42:49

vector is different than mine.

42:51

He stays in one place. He really only uses his computer for

42:52

research and to talk with his grandkids.

42:57

Right. Whereas I'm traveling all the time

42:57

everywhere.

43:00

And you better believe there are people

43:00

who don't want me sharing the message that

43:03

I'm sharing with you right now. So they're trying to shut me up and make

43:04

my life as difficult as possible.

43:08

I have a different threat. I need to be trained in different tactics

43:09

than my dad needs to be trained as a

43:15

result. Right. So.

43:17

Josh, you have to figure out where am I in

43:17

this process and where do I want to start?

43:23

Where's the foot in the door? For a lot of people, it's grabbing a

43:25

laptop. For a lot of people, it's grabbing a

43:27

phone. And you don't just do a hard switch over.

43:31

Like you don't just say, okay, we have a

43:31

raised bed and we have some good soil and

43:36

some seeds. I'm gonna stop going to the grocery store.

43:38

You don't do that, right? You wait until your garden's starting to

43:40

produce and it's productive and you have

43:44

produce coming from it. And then you can start saying, okay, now

43:45

we're gonna start augmenting.

43:48

And then you start saying, okay, well, I'm

43:48

gonna get some chickens and maybe a

43:51

cattle, head of cattle, whatever. And then you can start.

43:55

Right? So the same thing happens with tech,

43:56

technology.

43:58

You start transitioning what makes sense

43:58

as you get comfortable.

44:01

And it's a lot easier than most people

44:01

think.

44:04

So once you get a device, you keep your

44:04

primary device, you use the other device

44:08

and set it up and get everything going the

44:08

way you want, start playing around with

44:11

the applications, get comfortable using

44:11

those applications, figuring out what they

44:14

do, how they do, what they do. And then the last step is you take your

44:15

SIM card out of the phone that you use

44:19

today and you put it in the new phone. And then all of your messages and whatnot

44:21

get directed to the new phone.

44:25

So that's there's a process. It's a journey.

44:27

It's my long winded way. Josh is saying it's a process.

44:31

It's a journey. But you have to start somewhere.

44:33

You have to say this line was crossed way

44:33

long ago and it's time for me to start

44:38

taking this seriously. I need to start making this this migration

44:40

happen.

44:43

Yeah, I really appreciate your metaphors

44:43

because I, you know, I've heard this

44:49

argument a number of different ways.

44:51

I'm not sure if you're familiar with Clay

44:51

Clark from the Reawakened tour.

44:55

We've had him on the show and he kind of

44:55

explained something pretty similar, but it

45:00

was sort of kind of all over the place.

45:03

That's not necessarily his fault, but

45:03

probably just mine in understanding it.

45:06

But I think really kind of understanding

45:06

the gardening metaphor, the jujitsu,

45:11

whatever, like, I think that that really

45:11

kind of resonates because I think what I

45:16

was trying to get to in my earlier

45:16

question was like, this is just too

45:19

overwhelming. You know, like, like,

45:21

Like I don't doubt what you're saying. Like I don't because I'm human and I'm not

45:23

one to necessarily attribute like very

45:31

altruistic behaviors to the CEOs and board

45:31

members of all these major companies

45:36

because like, you know, money crops,

45:36

right?

45:39

So, but I wanna ask you, are you, my notes

45:39

here says that you're a co -founder of

45:46

Rightforge. Is that correct?

45:49

Yeah, so Rightforge, I was a co -founder

45:49

of Rightforge, it was actually my baby,

45:54

really saw the writing on the wall when

45:54

Parler got deplatformed from Amazon Web

45:59

Services. And I had been warning all sorts of

46:00

companies and people that stuff like this

46:05

was going to happen and it was going to

46:05

start accelerating exponentially.

46:09

And sure enough, when Parler got given 24

46:09

hour notice that they needed to get off of

46:13

Amazon Web Services, which...

46:16

It's pretty shocking that their team at

46:16

Parler chose to go to AWS because they

46:20

were kicked off of Azure not long prior to

46:20

moving to AWS.

46:26

So how they thought somehow that Amazon as

46:26

a corporation would be different than

46:31

Microsoft as a corporation is just beyond

46:31

me.

46:33

But I digress. So I knew that this was going to be

46:35

coming.

46:37

I had all kinds of customers calling me

46:37

saying, Sean, you were right.

46:41

They're coming after us. They're trying to deplatform us from

46:42

GoDaddy or from Salesforce or from all

46:47

these different Silicon Valley companies

46:47

that were basically given orders from

46:51

their board. that you need to get rid of conservative

46:52

content and conserve, you know, 2A, 1A,

46:57

anyone that was talking about anything

46:57

about COVID, anyone that was talking

47:00

anything about election integrity, not

47:00

allowed to be on the platform, your D

47:05

platform, because it's a violation of our

47:05

terms of service.

47:08

So I started getting these phone calls.

47:11

I started building this network of

47:11

infrastructure providers who I knew

47:14

personally, as I said I think before the

47:14

show started, I had a podcast called I

47:18

Love Data Centers that you can actually

47:18

still find.

47:20

So I knew the owner -operators, I knew the

47:20

players in the space, I wrote the book on

47:24

the industry, I literally wrote the book

47:24

on the data center industry, it's called I

47:27

Love Data Centers, it's basically data

47:27

centers for dummies, travel the world

47:31

training and teaching people about this

47:31

industry.

47:34

So I knew the players, I built this

47:34

network, we were the original hosting

47:39

providers for Project Veritas, for true social, for a lot of conservative

47:41

content, pro -life stuff that was getting

47:46

kicked off of various different hosting

47:46

websites.

47:50

And yeah, so that's my long -winded answer

47:50

of saying yes, I was co -founder of

47:57

Rightforge. But I left that company after the first

47:58

few months.

48:00

And that's a long story that we can get

48:00

into for another time.

48:03

But I started networking with other

48:03

different infrastructure hosting providers

48:07

that were owned and operated by

48:07

libertarian minded people who wanted to

48:10

protect and defend their liberties and the

48:10

constitutional rights that we have.

48:14

And so once that was established that

48:14

ground layer which I think this is

48:18

important that base layer infrastructure

48:18

layer that most people think is magic

48:22

right. They don't quite understand how the cloud

48:22

works or how the Internet really works.

48:26

It's just servers. But the of the day that are sitting in these

48:28

facilities that are designed to never lose

48:32

power, never go down, right?

48:34

So I became a specialist in that space and

48:34

I knew that you could create any kind of

48:38

app you wanted, all this encryption stuff

48:38

and all these cool things, right?

48:43

But if that data is sitting on servers

48:43

that are owned by people that want to turn

48:47

you off, they can flip the switch and turn

48:47

you off.

48:50

So once that core base layer was

48:50

established and I knew it was owned by

48:54

good people, then I can move on to the next problem

48:55

set. And I'm an entrepreneur, so I started

48:57

saying, okay, what's the next major tip of

49:02

the spear that we need to go after? And it was these things, hands down these

49:04

things.

49:08

So that's what I moved on to after that.

49:11

you know, and I'm probably a little bit

49:11

different than maybe some of my other

49:16

fellow liberals.

49:18

I do care about free speech and, you know,

49:18

I'm probably one of the few, you know,

49:26

anti -Trump liberals that actually didn't

49:26

really want him to be kicked off of

49:30

Twitter, to be honest, just because, like,

49:30

people are going to say horrible things,

49:35

ridiculous things, offensive things.

49:39

But if you believe in social capitalism,

49:39

those voices will get drowned out

49:46

eventually and go away by themselves kind

49:46

of thing.

49:51

But I'd love to get your take on why you

49:51

think conservative voices are being

49:58

suppressed. And is it all conservatives?

50:02

What's your take on that?

50:05

So it's to control the narrative.

50:08

It's to control the narrative. You do not want people who are exposing

50:10

others to concepts and ideas that are

50:16

contrary to your narrative, right?

50:18

So if I'm a totalitarian dictator, I'm not

50:18

going to give my opposition any say, any

50:26

voice at all. I'm going to attack them, deplatform them.

50:30

deplatform them and prevent them from

50:30

speaking.

50:32

So this is what blows my mind, Will, and

50:32

it's got to blow your mind, where you

50:36

have, you call yourself a liberal, right?

50:38

But now liberals of today are really not

50:38

liberals.

50:40

They're like straight up communists, like

50:40

unapologetic communists.

50:45

They claim to be communists. They are communists, and they claim to be

50:46

liberals.

50:48

And I'm like, but that's totally not

50:48

aligned with, you know, the Democratic

50:53

Party of RFK, of JFK, of...

50:56

You know, even 10 years ago, it's just not

50:56

in alignment.

51:00

So your movement, which I would be pissed

51:00

off about, has been hijacked by people

51:05

that truly aren't even American.

51:07

They don't want to believe in a

51:07

constitution.

51:10

They want to get rid of the constitution.

51:12

They don't believe in having sound and

51:12

secure borders.

51:16

They want to get rid of sound and secure

51:16

borders.

51:19

But... when you're trying to control a narrative,

51:20

you cannot have the dissenting view and

51:24

the dissenting voice. So that is, I mean, that makes sense,

51:25

right?

51:28

That's pretty basic linear logical

51:28

thinking.

51:31

If I don't want a certain point of view to

51:31

gain traction, I'm going to limit that

51:36

point of view. And that's where Elon Musk, when he gained

51:37

ahold of Twitter, he said, I just bought

51:42

basically a massive crime scene.

51:44

And he did when you started looking at

51:44

what was happening in that company and the

51:50

degree to which their algorithms that were

51:50

put into the system by people that worked

51:54

there were dissenting and creating

51:54

division and or ignoring entire

52:00

populations of people, deplatforming

52:00

people, and the algorithms were making it

52:05

so that certain content was not even being

52:05

seen.

52:09

So that, I mean, that makes logical sense,

52:09

right?

52:12

If I'm a totalitarian dictator, Will, and

52:12

I had no ethos, I would do the exact same

52:18

thing. This is not crazy think. This is how power operates.

52:22

Power politics works. Yeah, yeah, I mean, so there's so much of

52:26

what you're saying that I feel like very,

52:32

like definitely sympathetic to and

52:32

definitely like, man, like I don't, again,

52:42

like I don't necessarily, I don't really

52:42

trust the government.

52:47

Like I don't really trust, you know.

52:51

major CEOs like and I don't know why I

52:51

don't trust them except to say that I mean

52:57

I could say the things that you've told me

52:57

and and look in and check in on those and

53:02

and things like that but it's more like I

53:02

just don't trust them because they have a

53:06

lot of power and have a lot of money but

53:06

then again I kind of want more power and

53:12

more money I mean I I feel like I'm a

53:12

Christian I think I am and of course I

53:18

would say if if Some was like, hey, you're going to choose

53:20

money?

53:23

Are you going to choose, you know, God?

53:26

My hope and my prayers, I'm going to

53:26

choose God.

53:29

That's what I want to do. I want to, I don't want to not choose God.

53:35

And then the question, well, do you have to? I know you can't serve both God and money,

53:36

and yet we need money to operate within

53:41

this thing. And even to your own point, you know,

53:42

money is our ammunition in this war,

53:46

right? The metaphor that you use, the way that we

53:46

spend.

53:49

our dollars is the ammunition.

53:52

And it's like, so when I'm thinking about

53:52

like, let's say, like I wanna go in, I

54:03

wanna like the world economic forum, like

54:03

they're very open about this.

54:08

Where would I go to find like the

54:08

documents or the, you know, the evidence

54:16

or whatever it is? it on their website.

54:19

But all you have to do is go into your

54:19

browser and type in World Economic Forum.

54:23

You'll go straight to their website.

54:26

And just, they have their talks all up

54:26

there.

54:29

I mean, they literally don't hide any of

54:29

this.

54:34

And then, so go check it out and go see

54:34

what they're saying and then make the

54:44

decision. That's basically it.

54:48

Yep. I mean, there are a number of what I call

54:49

talking heads, you know, on all sides who

54:55

have been given this platform, who can

54:55

espouse, you know...

54:59

whatever on Tucker Carlson as an example

54:59

or Elon Musk, all these different, you

55:04

have to pick and choose who do you think

55:04

actually has a perspective that is based,

55:10

that is based on truth, that has a good

55:10

heart and that is not simply trying to

55:16

follow an agenda. It's for me, so I have been someone who's

55:17

always done the homework.

55:22

I don't always just. take someone's word for it.

55:26

You know, I'm the doubting Thomas, right? I wanna see the holes, right?

55:30

So I've been digging and I've been reading

55:30

and researching, asking questions and

55:35

meeting people and putting it out there

55:35

and asking God.

55:38

I know you guys probably both understand

55:38

this.

55:40

People say, well, I don't understand, Sean. You say that God talks to you and you've

55:42

had this conversation with God.

55:45

I just don't know what God's voice sounds

55:45

like, right?

55:48

Well, my question to those people every

55:48

time is how often are you in the word?

55:54

How often are you reading scripture,

55:54

listening to God's voice?

55:57

How often are you in prayer, meditating,

55:57

and asking God to hear his voice?

56:03

Asking God specifically to have a

56:03

conversation with him.

56:06

How often are you doing that? Or do you only go to God when you have

56:07

something going on in your life and you

56:12

need answers, right? What kind of a two -way relationship is

56:13

that?

56:16

Do I really want to interface and dialogue

56:16

with someone who only comes to me with

56:19

problems and issues? And am I really getting a two -sided...

56:23

perspective of that person, you're not,

56:23

right?

56:26

So unless you're in the Word on a regular

56:26

basis, on your knees on a regular basis

56:32

praying and listening and proactively

56:32

engaging in that conversation with God and

56:38

with Jesus and His Word, you're not gonna

56:38

really understand what His voice says.

56:44

So with that in mind, I have been spending

56:44

my life on my knees and praying and I'm

56:50

not always perfect. You know, my life is a roller coaster.

56:53

I get it. last couple years, I've spent a lot of

56:54

time, I've dedicated at least an hour and

56:58

a half, if not two hours of my day,

56:58

dedicated in the morning to just focus on

57:03

doing that so that I know what that voice

57:03

sounds like.

57:06

It's for discernment. And I pray for discernment.

57:09

Discernment. So that as I'm listening to these

57:11

different talking heads and I'm asking

57:14

questions like, wonder what this guy's

57:14

motivating factor is, I can do some quick

57:18

research and try to figure out where's the

57:18

money coming from, right?

57:22

Where's this guy's money coming from?

57:24

If he's beholden to what master, right,

57:24

that's gonna be puppeteering, pulling the

57:29

strings, or is he authentically out

57:29

speaking truth in love no matter what,

57:34

right? No matter what might come out of him. That doesn't mean that you can't make

57:36

money in the process, right?

57:40

I have a business, I need to make money, I

57:40

have people I need to pay for, but at the

57:45

end of the day, if someone comes to me and

57:45

says, Sean, you need to compromise your

57:49

values and your integrity and we'll... to the tune of 50 million bucks, I'm gonna

57:51

say no thank you.

57:56

Right? Not interested. Right?

57:58

Because I don't want to have that

57:58

conversation with my lord and savior when

58:01

I die. When he says, you knew exactly what you

58:01

were supposed to do and you chose money

58:06

over me. Sayonara sucker.

58:09

Right? That's not the conversation I want to

58:09

have.

58:13

So I don't know if that answers your

58:13

question, man, but that's...

58:15

we going to have to put an E, an explicit

58:15

rating, because you did this, the hand

58:20

signal? I'm not really sure what the rules are for

58:20

podcasts.

58:23

fuzz me out when I do it.

58:25

Fuzz out the face. That's good.

58:28

You know, this is my last question, Sean.

58:30

This has been a fascinating conversation,

58:30

a challenging conversation.

58:35

I really appreciate you coming on and

58:35

talking with us about it.

58:38

But, and you kind of, it's going to be a

58:38

little bit like of repetition, to be

58:42

honest, because, but I don't think it will

58:42

be redundant because, you know, you've

58:48

basically been talking about this the

58:48

whole time.

58:52

And, but the question is,

58:54

What do you feel like, let me back up for

58:54

a second and give some context.

58:59

We have a lot of different people that

58:59

listen to the podcast, right?

59:03

One of the reasons that I really, I was

59:03

like, and I was even talking to Will,

59:07

like, I really want to have, like, Sean

59:07

when I got the email is because we don't

59:13

tend to get as many conservative voices

59:13

that, you know, just for whatever reason,

59:21

like a lot of times they just haven't.

59:23

gotten back to me, people like when I've

59:23

contacted them and things like that.

59:29

And I have friends that are very much

59:29

going to enjoy this conversation and are

59:35

very much going to be like, yes, I agree

59:35

100 % with what Sean is saying.

59:40

And I'm all in on what he's saying and

59:40

checking out your stuff.

59:45

I feel pretty confident about that.

59:47

We also have a lot of people that would be

59:47

like, my gosh, I can't believe.

59:51

what he's saying. I can't believe they would let that guy

59:53

come on the podcast.

59:56

What's wrong? And we have tried to never let that be a

59:56

factor in who we have on.

1:00:03

I mean, you've been on and we've also had

1:00:03

like the first transgender bishop on.

1:00:08

We've had Clay Clark on. So we've had some, a fairly wide range of

1:00:09

people.

1:00:14

And my question is, if you're thinking

1:00:14

about, not that you would change it, but

1:00:19

if you're thinking about, addressing liberals to conservatives,

1:00:21

Christians, atheists, Muslims, Hindus,

1:00:27

everyone. What's the most important thing you feel

1:00:28

like from your message that you want to

1:00:33

get out? And actually kind of tacking on to that,

1:00:35

what are you, I mean, again, you've

1:00:39

already said it, but what are you most

1:00:39

concerned about?

1:00:41

Let's even just say for this next upcoming

1:00:41

year moving into this election season,

1:00:46

what are your biggest concerns?

1:00:49

So apathy, apathy.

1:00:52

People who basically are either so

1:00:52

disconnected to what's actually happening

1:00:57

in the world that they just don't care,

1:00:57

they're obliviously just continue to go on

1:01:01

and become zombies in the system.

1:01:04

And or those who are so black -pilled,

1:01:04

right?

1:01:08

They just think, well, it's so

1:01:08

overwhelming, there's nothing I can do

1:01:11

about it, so screw it, I'm just gonna keep

1:01:11

doing what I'm doing, right?

1:01:15

But again, as Christians, I believe we are

1:01:15

called.

1:01:19

to be angels and saints.

1:01:21

We're not called to be bystanders in this

1:01:21

process.

1:01:24

We are called to the front lines of this

1:01:24

war.

1:01:28

I am no longer in the business, which I

1:01:28

used to do for years and years, of trying

1:01:32

to convince people of what's happening in

1:01:32

the world.

1:01:34

I truly believe that if you haven't

1:01:34

started to question what you're being fed

1:01:39

all day every day from the media, that

1:01:39

there's nothing I can say that's going to

1:01:43

convince you. There's no documentary you can watch that

1:01:44

I can present to you.

1:01:47

There's no research I can show you. where you're gonna say, okay, I get it

1:01:48

now.

1:01:51

It's going to take God working in your

1:01:51

life in a very real personal way to make

1:01:57

you start to rewire your brain and rethink

1:01:57

and relearn that everything you've learned

1:02:02

has been a lie, right? And that you need to restart and reengage,

1:02:03

which is hard for people to do.

1:02:07

I get it. When the pillars of your reality start to

1:02:08

crumble and you're like, holy crap, you're

1:02:13

telling me that this isn't real, this

1:02:13

illusion, this matrix I'm living in isn't

1:02:17

real, right? That's a tough pill for people to swallow.

1:02:20

But people have to realize that they are

1:02:20

called to the front lines of this war.

1:02:23

And that's my job these days, is to arm

1:02:23

those who are awake and are aware with the

1:02:28

tools that they need to be successful in

1:02:28

fighting this war and to reclaim their

1:02:33

digital privacy and their digital

1:02:33

sovereignty.

1:02:36

So that's what my primary, you know, I

1:02:36

have zero fear actually, to be totally

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honest with you. I don't fear anything because I know it's

1:02:42

all in God's hand.

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And... We may not see justice, a lot of people

1:02:46

want to see justice and Fauci hung and all

1:02:51

these people held accountable. I don't care about accountability right

1:02:52

now because that's not the battle that I'm

1:02:56

in. And I know God is gonna get his vengeance

1:02:57

and God is gonna hold people accountable

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at some point, either in this life or the

1:03:00

next, right?

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So that's not my job to worry and be

1:03:03

concerned about.

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So that's my long -winded answer to your

1:03:07

question is I'm really worried about

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apathy in people saying, eh.

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Not my problem. Someone else will take care of it.

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Someone else will deal with it. When I'm saying, look man, if you claim to

1:03:18

be a Christian, you are called to be on

1:03:23

the front lines of this battle right now

1:03:23

and to become awake and aware and to spend

1:03:27

time in the Word, spend time praying,

1:03:27

spend time listening, communicating with

1:03:32

other people, not just online, but get to

1:03:32

know your neighbors.

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Have some coffee, break some bread, figure

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out where they stand, where they're at.

1:03:40

Because if things get complicated,

1:03:40

which...

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you than they already are, you're going to

1:03:44

want to know who your neighbors are and

1:03:48

who you can trust at the end of the day.

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Yeah, yeah. So what would you say to like non

1:03:51

-Christians that are listening and people

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that wouldn't say, you know, I'm a

1:03:56

Christian, I totally get what you're

1:04:00

saying. What would you, what's your appeal?

1:04:02

question that I asked you. How do you feel about the fact that your

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devices and everything around you is

1:04:06

listening to you and watching you all the

1:04:06

time?

1:04:09

And if someone's like, I don't care, no

1:04:09

big deal, that's fine, that's their

1:04:13

prerogative. That's their deal, right?

1:04:17

For those who are like, yeah, I'm not okay

1:04:17

with it, I say great.

1:04:20

Do you know that there's options and tools

1:04:20

that are available to get these companies

1:04:24

out of your life? And they're like, I had no idea.

1:04:27

So I can walk them through those tools,

1:04:27

right?

1:04:31

That's awesome. So how can people follow you, kind of,

1:04:31

what social media platforms are you a part

1:04:37

of, how can they follow you, and how can

1:04:37

they, where can they go to get some of

1:04:42

these things that you're talking about? Yeah, so I used to be on LinkedIn until

1:04:43

April of 22 and they kicked me off because

1:04:48

they didn't like the narrative that I was

1:04:48

pushing on that platform.

1:04:52

They, you know, canceled me even though I

1:04:52

had 10 ,000 followers on there and I was

1:04:56

sorry, there's something flying in my face

1:04:56

over here.

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Right, that's probably what it is.

1:05:04

So I had 10 ,000 followers. I was one of their first customers, you

1:05:05

know, at LinkedIn, you know, being in

1:05:08

Silicon Valley. totally purged me.

1:05:12

So I'm not on LinkedIn is my long story

1:05:12

short.

1:05:15

We are on True Social. We are on Gab.

1:05:17

We are on Twitter. We are on Rumble.

1:05:20

You just look at Mark37. You'll see our little shield logo with the

1:05:22

Betsy Ross flag on it.

1:05:27

That's our company. Or you could go to mark37 .com.

1:05:30

We have literally a mountain of content

1:05:30

available for you to dig through in the

1:05:35

resources page, in the blog page.

1:05:39

I've got tons of articles on simple ways

1:05:39

to start your migration to digital

1:05:45

freedom. I've got the whole video of the online or

1:05:46

the on and offline training that I do.

1:05:50

So I travel the country right now to

1:05:50

different parts, different communities who

1:05:55

are interested in this conversation and

1:05:55

want to learn these tools.

1:05:58

So I'm traveling the country. I do about three, four hour seminars.

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That's all. online. That's all on our website.

1:06:05

You can find it there. So if you're interested in learning more,

1:06:06

I would highly recommend you check that

1:06:08

out. Dig around. Check out our products and services.

1:06:11

If you have any questions, feel free to

1:06:11

email me.

1:06:15

Support, S -U -P -P -O -R -T at mark37

1:06:15

.com is the best way to get a hold of us

1:06:20

and our team. We'll get back to you probably within 24

1:06:21

hours tops.

1:06:25

Awesome. Well, go ahead.

1:06:29

if anyone listening has experience

1:06:29

migrating people off of Windows and Mac

1:06:35

environments to Linux, and you have

1:06:35

experience doing the same from a mobile

1:06:39

operating system perspective as well, I

1:06:39

want to talk to you.

1:06:42

We are growing a team nationally right

1:06:42

now, and we want to have people in all the

1:06:46

different regions of the country so that

1:06:46

as people come to us with needs to make

1:06:50

this migration happen, we can point them

1:06:50

to you.

1:06:53

You can help assist them through that

1:06:53

migration process.

1:06:55

So please reach out to us at support at

1:06:55

mark37 .com.

1:06:58

And again, this is a nonpartisan issue.

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It should be a nonpartisan issue. If you believe in the First Amendment, if

1:07:03

you believe in digital privacy, digital

1:07:08

security, digital sovereignty, this should

1:07:08

be important to you.

1:07:10

And for those that say, well, I'm not

1:07:10

saying or doing anything that's, you know,

1:07:14

outrageous online, so my digital privacy

1:07:14

doesn't matter.

1:07:17

That is no different than saying that

1:07:17

because you're not planning on saying

1:07:21

anything offensive to anybody, that your

1:07:21

First Amendment does not matter.

1:07:24

That you're... Freedom of speech does that matter.

1:07:26

Or as we were talking about before the

1:07:26

episode, like saying, well, I'm not

1:07:31

planning on shooting anybody or I'm not

1:07:31

planning on killing anybody and I don't

1:07:34

think anybody's going to come try to rob

1:07:34

me.

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So my second amendment shouldn't matter

1:07:36

either.

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Right. The reality is our digital privacy and our

1:07:39

digital security does matter and we have

1:07:44

to start acting like it. There you go.

1:07:47

You guys have heard it from Sean Patrick

1:07:47

Theriault.

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And Sean, really appreciate you coming on

1:07:51

the show and talking with us.

1:07:56

It was a fascinating, challenging

1:07:56

conversation.

1:07:58

And people, again, can go to mark37 .com

1:07:58

and you can follow some of the resources

1:08:03

and recommendations that Sean has made.

1:08:06

And until next time, guys, don't keep your

1:08:06

conversations left or right, but up.

1:08:10

God bless you guys. Have a great day. Thank you.

1:08:13

See you.