0:00

What are you drinking today? That that liquor cabinets

0:02

getting empty? What have we got today? Listenish

0:04

habits lemonade. I hear the liquor

0:06

store is not the place to go. I went,

0:09

when'd you go? I gloved up, I masked

0:11

up, I has matted up, and I went in

0:13

and filled a freaking basket. Yeah, you

0:16

know, it's crazy they're talking about

0:18

opening it back up. Well not California.

0:21

Texas is talking about opening back up

0:23

next week. Yeah, well that's

0:25

not gonna work out. That's just the dumbest thing I've ever

0:27

heard in my life. That's not gonna work out

0:29

for anyone. Good thing we have Governor newsom

0:31

I think is doing offense and Garsetti man, thankodness

0:34

for Garsetti too. Man, both doing

0:36

well. Let's give them both a shout out. On hold

0:38

on, let's see

0:41

here's some stories about

0:43

show we made about

0:46

a bunch of dots and nurses

0:48

and stories.

0:55

So yet around here,

0:58

yea around here, as Donald

1:06

phazon Um, it's a very very exciting

1:08

day today on this podcast. Do you know why

1:11

we're getting epic today? We're going now, we're

1:13

going uber epic today. Yeah,

1:15

I mean, don't get me wrong, the creator of the show.

1:17

That's fancy, America's favorite Canadian,

1:19

Sarah Chawk. That's fancy, But

1:22

nothing is as fancy as

1:25

someone who we love as much as

1:27

this man, who I can say I learned

1:29

a lot as an actor from and uh is

1:32

just a really fucking talented and hilarious

1:34

human being. Stand by Dan

1:36

with the thunderous applause que Johnny

1:39

c McGinley, Yeah,

1:42

your boy, the legend, the

1:44

legend that is John

1:46

c McGinley. Hello, Donald,

1:48

Hello, Zachie, how are you? I'm

1:50

firmer, Yeah, you are always,

1:53

always, always

1:56

Johnny, how's your how's the

1:58

you know you were? You were saying just before we started

2:01

recording that you know that you

2:03

had been homeschooling your kids, So this isn't as

2:06

odd of a switch for you. Tell tell

2:08

everybody a little bit about that. We've been

2:10

homeschooling forever. Billy

2:13

is twelve, Kates almost ten, and

2:15

we've been homeschooling for since,

2:19

all the way through elementary school. Here one

2:21

thing, and this is the friends, obviously, and

2:23

we've been taking this thing super seriously.

2:27

And we're totally locked

2:29

down because we've got Nicole, my wife's

2:31

father here, who has some pre

2:34

existing challenges and pre

2:36

existing conditions, and so

2:38

we've been taking this thing by the

2:40

letter. And so look, we're

2:43

lucky enough to live in this place. I mean, there's

2:45

I built a baseball field during the writer's strike

2:47

on Scrubs, and so there's

2:50

a baseball field right behind me, and so

2:52

we use that almost as a playground. And

2:56

you know, there's stuff. This is a kid compound, so

2:58

they can run around here, but they don't get to see

3:00

their friends. They don't go to do dance

3:02

and aeriel and pottery and all

3:05

the stuff you do when you're not homeschooling or

3:07

go down to the beach. Friends.

3:09

Do you have friends like I was just thinking about Donald,

3:11

who who are homeschooling for the first time? Who are

3:14

calling you like gunny advice or anything?

3:16

Because I'm watching Donald do it and he's like

3:18

hiding out in his closet. I've

3:20

run below my kids. This is how bad. People

3:23

don't call this department for that.

3:25

They call they call upstairs to the Nicole

3:27

department. Then she and

3:29

I need to get on the phone because I am failing miserably.

3:32

My wife is My wife is a champion.

3:34

She runs the household. But I feel like

3:36

I'm starting to slack so much that

3:38

she's like, when this is over, I'm

3:41

leaving you. I

3:43

think if you could compartmentalize and play

3:45

to your strengths, Donald, you'd be better

3:48

off. I don't have many strengths. John

3:50

How you do? You've got sports? Johnny said, he's doing

3:52

pe. You could be in charge of PE. I

3:54

have a competitive spirit in me that won't

3:56

allow my kids to beat me. I have problems,

3:59

guys, problems. Well,

4:01

then my son screams

4:04

at me because I never let him win. He probably

4:06

started meeting me at this. We have this thing called Papa

4:08

Shot, and it's like you know how you go to

4:10

the carnival, of course, and you get to shoot as many jump

4:12

shots as you can and you verse

4:15

somebody we have that. He

4:17

destroys me in that so much so

4:19

that I don't want to play the game anymore. Man, Well,

4:21

I'm so I'm still for you guys doing this.

4:24

This Uh, this podcast I've listened to. This

4:27

is either the fourth or fifth one. I've listened to everything,

4:29

and it's I've listened to it while

4:31

I'm working out, because it's about an hour and a half or so, and

4:33

I put it on and I go in the garage and

4:36

it just makes me happy?

4:38

Does it? Does it get when when the theme song comes

4:40

on? Does that get you pumped? I liked

4:43

it. Well, you guys are so goddamn town, Johnny,

4:45

Johnny, we wrote that. It's our first It's our

4:47

first time. As as as lyricists.

4:50

Donald, I don't know if you've been a lyricist before, but

4:52

it's my first time as a lyricist putting. I put

4:54

a lyric or two two songs in

4:56

song for him. I've done it. Yes,

4:59

Well, it's my first time, and I, uh, you're

5:01

very good at it. That's not your first time, dude, Do you see

5:03

that? Listen, guys, you don't remember the songs

5:05

that we had. Baby, keep it

5:08

real, baby

5:11

last him. I'm tired

5:13

of you all of in

5:16

my crew.

5:17

See see,

5:20

Donald's so goddamn talented. He could sing

5:22

all these songs and remember his lines.

5:24

I could only do one thing, remember

5:27

my lines. Well, I want to talk about that for

5:29

a second, Johnny, because Donald did. Donald.

5:31

You, as far as I see it, in the world of scrubs,

5:34

there were two extremes. There was you

5:36

knowing every fucking piece of syllable

5:39

and punctuation, Mark and Donald

5:41

being like am I in the scene.

5:47

Yeah, but Donald's so goddamn talented

5:49

that even if it took him three or four takes,

5:51

the fourth take was perfect.

5:54

It was heaven. I mean in

5:56

this episode, in this episode

5:59

we'll talk about in this but there's a scene

6:01

where he dances to Michael Jackson,

6:03

Michael Jackson knockoff and

6:06

Billy had to be just it's like a fair

6:08

catch in football. He's just like that was manna

6:10

from heaven that an actor would bust

6:12

that out. That's not on the page, that

6:14

was not on the page. It wasn't. I

6:17

think that's also the beginning of turk

6:19

dancing and damn near it's hussible

6:21

believable, but a gift. Yeah, yeah,

6:24

Johnny, what was talk a little bit about how you did

6:26

those because sometimes, just for people that are

6:28

listening, Johnny would sometimes get those speeches

6:30

the night before, because the writer sometimes

6:33

the day before, hours before. Absolute.

6:36

Yeah, and I just for those of you who

6:38

don't memorize for a living, it can be

6:40

very hard. But doing what Johnny had to do on the

6:43

spot is sometimes close to impossible.

6:45

So I remember you having a bit

6:47

of a system, will you will you talk about that for people,

6:49

Well, I keep these composition books, you

6:52

know, the composition books you have in high school, those black

6:54

and white things. Well, the first thing

6:56

I do is I write out the text in my own

6:59

hand, and then in the margins have put

7:01

the verbs of what I'm doing. And so that

7:03

just by virtue of writing it out starts to get

7:05

it in your skull. And then by assigning

7:07

verbs to every action that you're doing, that's

7:10

the second stage. And then if I

7:12

had time, I keep a rehearsal space here.

7:15

I would go down and there's a whole

7:17

kind of little film studio downstairs,

7:20

and I would get in front of that. But a lot of times that was

7:22

out the window because Billy would hand it to you on

7:24

your way into the hospital. And I'm

7:27

not being method. Hospital. We

7:29

did, in fact, work in a defunct hospital.

7:33

Sometimes I'll say that. The different people are

7:35

like, oh, you're so method. I'm like, no, I'm not fucking

7:37

method. It was a hospital, so set the fuck up. And

7:41

so I got when

7:43

I got to the hospital, and they would hand me new

7:45

lines every year. Disney would give us

7:48

make it up. You guys, remember, but fifteen hundred

7:50

dollars to improve our dressing

7:52

rooms, since our dressing rooms were hospital

7:55

rooms where people had died and where people

7:57

had been saved. And what I did with

7:59

my fifteen hundred dollars is I doubled

8:01

down, and I hired an acoustic firm,

8:04

and they came in and sound proved my dressing room

8:06

so I wouldn't have to hear you idiots in the hallway

8:09

and all the dogs.

8:11

For some reason, because one or two

8:13

of you brought your dogs, the whole crew

8:16

decided, well, if Zach and Donald can do it,

8:18

the guy in sound and the guy the productions

8:20

that he can do it. So all of a sudden there was

8:23

a pack of about the Steen dogs

8:26

and as Karma would have it, And

8:28

I like dogs. I hate most people's dogs.

8:30

I just I like dogs, but I

8:33

don't like them at work. And so I

8:35

remember, I remember that. I remember all

8:37

I would all you would hear was get out.

8:40

I'm trying to remember two space, two

8:43

pages, single space. Do you remember do

8:45

you remember in the Christmas Story how how he's

8:47

always fighting the dogs next door. That was

8:49

like Johnny cur on our floor

8:52

because Johnny c was like, oh, someone

8:54

shut the dogs up. The dogs all wanted to be

8:56

with Johnny C and around absolutely and

9:00

so much so that I don't know what you guys are remembered.

9:02

I don't know what season. But I wrote a letter

9:04

to our bosses at Disney, to the

9:07

HR Department Human Resources. And

9:09

then I did what you're supposed to do with an angry

9:11

letter. I according to my grandfather, I put

9:14

it in the drawer for two nights. You're supposed

9:16

to take angry letters. You don't press. This was not

9:18

when you press send. I wrote it

9:20

and I put it in the drawer for two nights. And in the

9:23

intervening time, someone

9:25

got nipped by a dog on

9:27

our war and Disney found out about it,

9:30

not because of me, and they were like, what,

9:32

they're seventeen dogs kissing and shitting

9:35

on the third floor. And I took

9:37

that letter and I put it right over in the shredder

9:40

because I thought you

9:42

were I thought you were gonna give us a big

9:44

reveal that you had written the HR letter.

9:46

But you're saying you never said to it. I

9:49

did not. I kept it in the drawer. And then I was let

9:51

off the hook. Because if you're the guy who

9:54

made it so that people couldn't bring their goddamn

9:56

dogs to work. Then

9:58

you're that guy.

10:01

I was, look the fact that matters that

10:03

you asked, how do you memorize those things? Good

10:05

fear? Fear is a really good thing.

10:08

And I was such afraid to disappoint

10:10

Billy and I wanted him to write those things for me. And

10:13

so you were so

10:15

good out a way to get him into my skull. You were

10:17

so good at it, John, And those rants. I was looking

10:19

on YouTube just as we were gearing up for

10:22

this episode, and just like people have

10:24

like top five Doctor

10:26

Cox rants, like it's like a thing. People

10:28

love to just listen back to those, and some

10:31

of them are just so epic and hilarious.

10:34

Where they get hard is when Billy started and I don't

10:36

know whether it was season four or five six, it's

10:39

a good problem. When he just started

10:41

writing lists that had nothing

10:43

to do with the item that came before it,

10:46

and he just write two pages of lists

10:49

reasons why I don't care about

10:51

you becoming a doctor or something

10:53

like that, and they're just this random

10:56

list. Those were hard

10:58

re memorizing. The story is if he's a cake,

11:01

but these lists two

11:03

pages, single space a list. On

11:06

the other side, we were talking about how Donald would show

11:08

up and be like, oh shit, I got

11:10

a monologue today. You

11:14

know, that was a time in my life. That

11:17

was a time in my life. I don't

11:19

know, I just I don't know what

11:21

was the matter with me. I smoked. I

11:23

smoked a lot of marijuana back then too, not

11:25

that I don't now, but I smoked a tremendous

11:28

amount back then. I don't think this was

11:30

the beginning of the run that I did this. I

11:32

think as I got comfortable, things

11:34

changed, and as the show got

11:36

successful, things changed and I slacked, and

11:38

I remember somebody asking me like, dude,

11:41

what do you do when you go home? And

11:43

I was like, I live my life. They

11:46

were like, they

11:48

were like, but what about your job. I was like, it's

11:50

getting done, like I was. So I

11:52

think you just got comfortable that you knew

11:55

that you'd get it, and you knew that it would

11:57

be cut together and it would be funny. So you're just

11:59

like, well, I don't know if

12:01

I was, Yeah, you know, I don't

12:03

know what it was. Since then,

12:05

I have, you know, I've tried to make

12:07

sure that if I ever ran into anyone

12:10

else, if I ran into people on other

12:12

jobs that worked with me on scrubs,

12:15

and remembered how I was on scrubs.

12:17

I wanted them to have a completely

12:19

different opinion of me

12:22

after we finished working. And so

12:24

it's, if anything, all

12:27

of the you know, all of the you know, me

12:29

being unprepared and stuff like that prepared

12:32

me for later on because now

12:34

forget about it. You know, I'm like you,

12:37

Johnny, if I mess up a line, I'm putting

12:39

a hole through a wall or something like that. You

12:41

know what I mean. I want to get it done

12:43

in three or four takes. I want us to get out

12:45

of here. If I'm not done. If I

12:47

can't do it in three takes, then forget about

12:49

it, man. Like, then I've wasted I feel

12:51

like I've wasted everybody's time. Well

12:54

I feel that more, especially now when it's not your own

12:56

show. When I'm going to do a supporting part

12:58

on something and I fuck up a line, I

13:00

just I get so mad at myself. You

13:02

know. It's funny, you know, after doing the show for nine

13:04

years, we were so comfortable, and

13:07

that comfortableness led to a lot of

13:09

amazing stuff because there was no wrong answer, and

13:12

we were so silly with each other and we could riff. But

13:14

now I find when I go do roles

13:17

where I'm not the lead, or I'm supporting,

13:19

or i'm or I'm in any whatever

13:21

I'm doing. I'm really get mad at myself if I fuck

13:23

up a line like I really, I really put more effort into

13:25

it than I ever have. I was about to say, because Zach, I remember

13:28

a night where you put the sides

13:31

people out there who don't know what sides are there, the piece

13:33

of paper where the line where they write, the

13:35

where they miniaturize the script into.

13:38

It's just the tiny Each day we get

13:40

a tiny version of the script. It's probably I don't

13:42

know what is it, like eight inches by four

13:44

inches something like that. I remember

13:46

one night where you take those sides to my forehead

13:49

on off camera. Yeah, but I

13:51

would like everyone to google Marlon

13:53

Brando in The Godfather and you'll

13:56

see and you can just

13:58

put in like Marlin Rando Godfather

14:02

line memorization and you'll see a picture

14:04

with James Kahn with a huge poster

14:07

board taped to his chest. No,

14:10

I'm not saying is this real? Yeah,

14:12

I'll send you guys the picture. I'm not saying

14:14

I'm I'm I'm Marlon Brando. But I am

14:16

saying you're James Kahn and

14:19

I, uh yeah, listen,

14:21

there's times where you go, I'm fucked. I do

14:23

not know this. Donald, Would you mind taping

14:25

this to your forehead? No, you didn't say,

14:27

Donald, would your mind? You were like, come here now,

14:30

used to the fuck? I remember taking them and be like you mother,

14:33

I will know. What we used to do is like, whenever there

14:35

was a place to hide them out of camera, we'd tape them

14:37

to the desk, We'd tape them to whatever.

14:39

Sometimes you tape them to the front of the camera. But

14:41

I remember that one time I couldn't get it down

14:43

and was like the time was running out, and I was like, Donald,

14:46

I'm so sorry, but I need my character

14:48

needs to be looking at your face. Johnny.

14:54

You never did that. Donald, Donald

14:56

and I would hide our sides all over place. I don't

14:58

have any member you ever doing. Johnny used to have

15:00

like little notes here and there in your hand. No, but not

15:02

he wouldn't hide them and reference them during the scene

15:04

like you. No, no, no, no. I

15:07

just if I was struggling with Latin,

15:09

which all medical terms are Latin based,

15:11

if I was struggling with something in Latin that I hadn't

15:14

been on the phone with real JD for

15:16

an hour the night before, I

15:19

would I would fanatically put it on those

15:21

clipboards that we carried, and the last

15:23

second I'd take a look. Now,

15:26

I remember, the hardest one ever was broken

15:28

heart syndrome. Was Toka subo cardio

15:30

myopathy. And that's about this

15:32

long, and I still freaking remember

15:35

it took a subo cardio

15:37

myopathy. Now,

15:40

legend has it that some of the best home

15:43

tests for movies

15:45

or television shows have happened

15:47

at your house. Is it true that you once dug

15:49

a hole in your backyard or a

15:51

part? No, that's

15:54

not true. No, what are you

15:56

talking about. Why would he dig a hole in his backyard?

15:58

I thought he was self tape and was digging

16:00

a home. Oh oh, he's

16:02

saying that you, you like, got all into your self

16:04

tapes and would dig holes. What what would that be for platoon?

16:07

Like he's going to audition something. No.

16:10

No, I've met with Oliver five times.

16:12

No, but you did. But you did used to self

16:14

tape at home a lot. Though at some point, right well,

16:17

when that came into vogue. Sure, now

16:19

you can do it on this thing, but for a little

16:21

while, you know, there's a camera on a tripod down

16:24

there was down in the rehearsal space

16:26

and yeah, for a little while. That

16:28

that's what auditions this came to be. Yeah,

16:31

Johnnie, that's a good segue into into

16:33

your auditioning for this. Well you, Donald

16:35

and I and we asked Sarah to talk a little bit about

16:37

our experiences are

16:41

hilarious, right listen.

16:43

I listened to all of it yesterday. It was genius.

16:46

So tell us about yours because we don't and you heard

16:48

bills telling of yours. But I think

16:51

I think our fans are interested in and how

16:53

it all came to be. Do you remember, like your very

16:55

first time reading and all that. Yeah,

16:57

because you had already been in so many other

16:59

things before this. I know you were coming to it from

17:01

a very different space because you'd been in such

17:04

amazing movies and uh,

17:06

and I just wanted you know, Donald had

17:08

had done some work. I had done

17:11

virtually nothing, So how is it different

17:14

for you? I was coming from

17:16

because I heard Zachie, I heard yours with

17:18

that you were a waiter at the Luck

17:21

Colonial. Yeah, yeah,

17:23

you were a waiter over there, and I know Donald

17:25

had done Denzel's

17:27

movie and done something but I was on a track

17:29

and how how how to take something off

17:32

of this? So it Doesen's on arrogant, but I was on

17:34

about uh. I was on a track

17:36

of doing about four films a year, and

17:38

in my brain it was that if

17:40

you ever, I said yes to everything.

17:43

So I did plenty of stinkers, but

17:45

I just always felt like that more

17:47

film begat more film. So

17:50

I was just always around the world doing

17:53

whatever you offered me. And I

17:55

wasn't going to come off the film train. And so

17:58

then they sent me scrubs and

18:00

there was a as Billy told you,

18:03

there was a John McGinley part

18:05

uh in in parentheses it said

18:08

a John McGinley type for doctor Cox.

18:10

And I'm like, we'll just make the offer

18:15

and as

18:18

yeah. So I went into meet Billy

18:21

over at Disney and that

18:24

was great. He was, you know, was one

18:26

of the great guys in the planet. And then by

18:29

the time, actors do this weird thing

18:31

when they get a little too comfortable as they subvert

18:34

themselves, and I felt like

18:36

I did that because there were tears of

18:39

different hierarchy that you had

18:41

to go through on this thing. There was the casting

18:43

people, which I got to skip there was Billy.

18:46

Then you had to audition to Disney, then you had to

18:48

audition at NBC. And

18:51

so I tanked the one at

18:53

Disney. And I don't know why. I was

18:55

either lazy or presumptuous

18:58

or but a sock. Did you know

19:00

when you Johnny, did you did you feel that in

19:02

the room? I always know, Yeah,

19:05

And so I told I said, Billy,

19:07

just let me go to the next level and I'll blow the back

19:09

of the room out. Just just don't

19:12

don't. I just fouled a few off

19:14

at at at Disney. And

19:16

when I went to NBC, as you guys

19:19

have have have sorted it out

19:21

with Billy and Sarah, there's

19:23

a room not much bigger than the one I'm sitting

19:25

in, maybe sixteen by twenty,

19:28

and it's the casting guy's room. And there's

19:30

people on the fennel there, on the on the

19:32

fence. There's people everywhere hiding

19:34

on the ground over

19:37

it's it's it's like a bad Thanksgiving

19:40

talent show production with your aunts and uncles.

19:43

And so I didn't recognize there were

19:45

four or five other doctor Coxes there. I

19:47

didn't I didn't recognize any of them. Um,

19:50

And I was just like it didn't really

19:52

matter because I already did. Just

19:55

for actors, you can get good at

19:57

auditioning, and I got really

20:00

good at it because I used the rehearsal space

20:02

as a spot to get this

20:05

four minute, compressed little impression

20:08

you make discipline

20:10

down. I got really good at it.

20:12

The fact that I tanked that Disney didn't matter. I was

20:14

doing some other bullshit, but when I went into

20:18

that room, I was just gonna

20:20

fucking kill it. And I did. And

20:22

when I shut the door, and at the time, I had

20:24

this Jersey muscle car. I had a Mustang

20:26

five point zero black convertible and

20:29

I started driving home on the one on

20:31

one and I was like, I put Bruce

20:33

on and it was blaring, and I'm like, I definitely

20:35

got that. And if I didn't get the show sucks built.

20:40

Do your Build's story where he said, Johnny, how do you

20:42

feel it? You said like cash money or something

20:44

like that. I said it was money. I said

20:47

funny. I said if you want to do it again? And I'm

20:49

like, no, I hate

20:51

when directors say do you want to do it again? Because

20:54

if you got it, you got it, because

20:56

all I do when I do things again.

20:59

When you asked me, I'm gonna start changing

21:01

things. And I hate rewriting

21:03

if everything, so I like to rewrite shit. I don't like

21:05

to rewrite anything. I like it on the page. I

21:07

like to crush it, and I like to leave. And

21:09

then if you asked me to keep doing it again and again,

21:12

I'm gonna get bored because I know you haven't

21:14

in the can and I'm gonna start changing things.

21:16

And what I did with doctor Cox over

21:19

the years is so I changed his syncopation. I

21:21

turned into this kind of Martin Scorcese

21:23

on LSD thing where I did these long

21:27

pauses and because I was getting

21:29

bored and sometimes

21:32

he'd walking out and do some like like crazy

21:34

pause, I was, and

21:36

I would stretch these words and when

21:39

people love that, when you go he I

21:44

was bored, fucking sort.

21:46

I wanted more challenges. And

21:49

so that's the actor's brains if it's really

21:51

firing, like our brains were on that thing. Remember,

21:54

people don't understand we were there sixteen hours

21:56

a day, five days a week. We spent much more

21:58

time with each other than we did any semblance

22:00

of family because there's a finite amount

22:02

of hours in a week. And for nine years,

22:05

pretty much we were together

22:07

for fourteen to by

22:09

the end of the week, sixteen hours and

22:12

an hospital in an abandoned in

22:15

an abandoned hospital. And it's

22:17

almost like Donald will understand when you're practice

22:19

and free throws. If you do nothing but

22:21

practice free throws, you will

22:23

get good at it. You just will.

22:26

And by virtue of beat, just scrub

22:28

saturation, people got really

22:30

good at their jobs. Yeah.

22:33

Yeah, that was the other thing. I remember times

22:35

where you'd have

22:38

like long, long monologues. There

22:40

were times where you didn't get it in one take, but then there were

22:42

times where you would get it in one take, and I remember

22:44

directors being like, should we go again, and you're being like,

22:46

we got it, let's go, And you'd be like, we

22:48

only got one take, John, and I don't

22:51

move it on, let's go. There's so many Donald,

22:53

let's go through some of our favorite johnnyisms.

22:55

One that just came to my mind was moving on,

22:58

there's five good ones for you. There's five

23:00

good ones for you. Was when it would shake your hand,

23:03

how are you better now? Yeah?

23:05

Better now? And then he'd go,

23:07

um, when we were done with John Michelle

23:09

was the name of one of our editors, And when when when

23:12

we were done with the scene, he'd go, I think we gave Jean

23:14

Michelle some mammo. Yeah.

23:20

Cut to cut to a couple of days later, I'm down

23:22

in the editing suite just micromanaging

23:24

everything John Michelle was doing. All right. No, you

23:26

were always that's where that was

23:28

like your that was your that was your escape

23:31

from hanging out on the third floor

23:33

from from from the Dogs, from the Dogs. You

23:35

just run down to editing and be like, show me what you

23:37

got. But I also had a post production company

23:39

in New York for when I when I lived

23:42

in New York up in the Brill Building for

23:44

fifteen years, and so post

23:47

is a very comfortable place for me. Yeah

23:50

stuff, yeah, and uh and

23:52

and I just remember you being Donald

23:54

and I were always trying to sneak in there as well, and you'd be

23:56

like, I remember, I have great memories of you being like, come

23:58

in here, you gotta see that you well.

24:02

But people have to understand it was a very insular

24:06

place. There was no place to go. It was

24:08

Scrubs University in this five story

24:10

abandoned hospital, and you

24:13

had to be there. You couldn't really go

24:16

off campus. You'd get in trouble because invariably

24:19

would skip a scene and would say, where's

24:22

John and he went down

24:24

to do something, so he can't go down

24:26

to do anything. Yeah, it's interesting to be on When

24:28

you're on a back lot, you can saunter around

24:31

and you can talk to other shows, and you can

24:33

talk to people that have nothing to do with

24:35

your show. But there was something I

24:37

think, uh great

24:40

that happened on our show

24:42

in that we were so insular,

24:44

like Johnny said in that hospital, that it made us

24:46

extra close because we never went anywhere.

24:49

It wasn't like we just all were

24:51

always together. And

24:53

I think something

24:55

Billy didn't share, which I've

24:57

brought to different films

24:59

and TV shows I've produced since, is

25:02

Billy introduced the first or second day

25:04

of shooting in the cafeteria, which is the largest

25:07

space that one hundred and twenty

25:09

person crew could all congregate. He

25:11

got everybody together and he told

25:14

them that he was going to put a no asshole

25:17

policy in place, and everybody laughed,

25:19

and you know, it sounded kind of stupid, and Billy's

25:21

the least confrontational person on the planet,

25:24

And what he meant was that

25:26

if you come to work, you got to bring at

25:28

least a modicum of respect with you,

25:30

otherwise don't

25:33

come. And everybody knows,

25:35

just all the way back to the schoolyard, how to be nice

25:37

to each other and how to be respectful. And

25:40

a couple of people subsequently got fired

25:42

for the nosshole policy. It didn't

25:44

mean you had to come to work and walk on pins and needles,

25:47

but you had to come to work and be respectful.

25:50

And I thought that was great, and I do

25:52

it on my sets now too, and if people don't

25:54

like it, they can get the fuck out. Yeah,

25:56

that's that's real talk. You

25:59

know. Since Scrubs, I've been a part of a

26:02

cast where you know, everybody's

26:05

been chill and lovely and everything like that,

26:07

but there's there's that one time where you have

26:09

that one person where you're like, oh my god, I

26:11

wish I was still on Scrubs right now so I could

26:14

freaking sit in a background and watch

26:16

you get fired from being such a fucking asshole

26:19

right now, you know what I mean. It's not that complicated,

26:22

It really isn't. It's really easy to be a good person.

26:24

We were really lucky, I think, though. I mean, there's so many

26:26

casts that when you hear about a show that you

26:28

know, there's there's a finite number of shows

26:31

that go this long. And we genuinely

26:33

all really liked each other. I mean I always say that when

26:35

I do press or someone asked me about the show,

26:37

and you know, what was the secret to the magic,

26:40

and one of them is that we genuinely all

26:43

liked each other. We genuinely all rooted for each

26:45

other. When we would see each other at the bar after

26:47

after we wrapped, we were like just

26:49

as excited to see you

26:51

know, Johnny walk in the door. We

26:54

um and that didn't wear off. I mean, we

26:56

we we we genuinely

26:58

all loved each other his company for

27:00

for nine years. Yeah, you know that's

27:03

you know, that's that's that's actually very

27:05

true. We partied

27:08

so hard. After sixteen

27:10

hours of hanging out with each other at

27:12

the day, you would still be like, yo,

27:16

Fox and a Hound still has about two more

27:18

hours until it closes, and

27:20

we'd all congregate at Fox and a Hound.

27:22

After spending the whole day

27:24

and some of the night together, Man, I

27:27

would I would go back to my hospital room

27:29

and go to sleep for the night because I couldn't drive out to Malibu.

27:32

And so after after having

27:34

a couple of beers. I went back to the hospital

27:36

and went sleep wow, and they just woke up the

27:38

next and Johnny tell him about how sometimes you'd come

27:40

in to beat traffic at like four in the morning.

27:43

I would. I had this thing where I can't

27:45

be late. It's I just can't.

27:47

I just it's I can't organize

27:49

being late. And so, uh,

27:52

my window was I could leave

27:54

in a normal time if I had a call time at

27:56

six or at ten, But if

27:58

my call time was anywhere queen six

28:00

and ten, I would take

28:02

a six o'clock call time and just drive

28:05

in at five, go to sleep for a couple hours,

28:07

memorize all that shit that Billy was

28:09

writing, and then be fresh and ready

28:11

to go. And Plus there was a shower. There

28:13

was a communal shower at the end

28:16

of our hallway, and I used

28:18

that thing all the time. I'm

28:21

never I think I never showered their

28:24

dumb I think maybe once or twice. Oh

28:26

god, I was in there every day. Was it

28:28

was it a good shower? Was it a it was hot

28:30

water? I don't care. All

28:32

right, We're gonna go to a break

28:35

um and we'll be right and

28:45

we're bad and we're back. We

28:48

are back, Donald Dumb whenever

28:50

he was Johnson McGinley. Whenever Donald

28:53

does these ins and outs of a commercial, he turns

28:55

into Oprah, We're back.

28:58

I heard him do that. But Sarah, because I

29:00

was listening to it on the deck and I

29:03

was dying, I

29:05

could have given you. I could have totally given you an

29:08

Oprah introduction, John seem My, good

29:10

night. I

29:12

was. I was thinking about the one

29:14

oh seven, which is interesting that we

29:17

would be doing one oh seven, which when I looked

29:19

in my composition book, it was actually one

29:21

oh six, and it got it got shifted

29:24

because of nine to eleven

29:26

y and but before

29:28

we get into the nine to eleven of it all, which has a

29:31

profound impact on this episode.

29:33

When I was looking through my composition book down

29:36

in the rehearsal space last night, when I was looking

29:38

forward to talking to you guys, I noticed

29:40

that I always in the first

29:42

if you're lucky enough to have to write a lot of different

29:45

composition books like we were on Scrubs,

29:47

I always put a mission statement on the first page

29:49

of what I John

29:53

not I doctor Cox want to do with this thing.

29:55

And I saw that the mission statement on Scrubs

30:00

was to find a place underneath the text

30:02

for with every episode where you can say

30:04

I love you to Max. And

30:08

I took that seriously because my son Max

30:10

had been born a year or two earlier, and

30:13

when we started in two thousand and one and

30:17

Max was born with challenges Max and born with

30:19

Down syndrome. He's doing great now. But I

30:21

decided that Cox underneath it all, so

30:23

that when never became too

30:27

drippy, just underneath

30:29

it. Every episode there had to be one

30:31

spot where I got to say I John,

30:33

not doctor Cox, got to say I love you to Max.

30:36

And in this episode it's it's

30:38

right where when I'm talking to Judy

30:40

and I said, just because a guy has

30:42

problems, that doesn't mean he doesn't need and

30:46

then there's this long pause and it's because

30:48

I kept getting an apple in my throat and

30:50

then he says you and I

30:53

was from I reminded me that I took

30:55

the thing so goddamn seriously.

30:58

This mission state that I wrote to Max, and

31:01

it informs everything that Cox

31:03

does, because I think

31:05

Zachie knows this. I always consider the camera

31:07

an X ray machine that it

31:10

can see through all the actors bullshit,

31:12

and we all try to bring a walk

31:14

and a lisp or some eccentricity,

31:17

and unless that's distilled

31:19

down to a real, pure instinct,

31:22

the camera's just like bullshit.

31:25

That's bullshit, and you can

31:27

see it. It's night and day. And

31:29

so that when an actor or actually brings a mission

31:32

statement that demands that he finds

31:34

a place somewhere in the text underneath

31:36

it, not just underneath the text,

31:39

to say I love you to a kid who's

31:41

just born with challenges that

31:43

pops. The camera

31:46

goes, Oh, that's his truth, that

31:48

he's telling the truth, and that's

31:50

what pops. I love that you said

31:52

that, Johnny, because I think one of the magical

31:54

things that you did with Doctor Cox was

31:56

find a guy who's so tough and

32:01

find a way in every episode to

32:03

show that his heart, that he was doing everything

32:05

he can to protect everyone,

32:08

protect his heart and from people seeing the

32:11

amount of love he actually had. He had

32:13

super, super tough cement

32:15

exterior because he was alpha

32:17

and he was a badass doctor and he didn't

32:19

want people to know. But then you would just

32:22

it was like it was leaking out of him. You could you couldn't

32:24

help it, and you would see these little moments where it's like

32:26

this guy has the biggest heart. He's just

32:28

keeping it all under wraps. That's perfect

32:30

for this episode that we're talking

32:33

about right now, one oh seven.

32:35

Carla is the only person

32:38

in the hospital who's known you long

32:40

enough at this point to

32:42

be able to see through that bullshit. Okay,

32:44

you're being tough on all of these people, but you

32:46

care. You're You're in it just like

32:48

you know what I mean. You're not scared, but you

32:51

care. And I think that's

32:53

what started you, what started

32:55

Cox? Uh? Correct me if

32:57

I'm wrong to have feelings for her, like, Okay,

32:59

well, if everybody's afraid of me and there's this

33:01

one person in the hospital who's

33:04

willing to stand up to me,

33:06

not even stand up, but to call me on my bullshit,

33:09

there's a there's a special place in

33:11

my heart for that. And I honestly

33:14

thought that Carla was going to choose you know, when

33:16

we were making the show, I thought she was going to choose

33:19

Cox over Turk. I

33:21

was kind of hoping at that when I

33:24

was younger, that she would choose Cox over

33:26

Turk so that I have more love interests. Oh

33:31

my god, I can't wait to talk about

33:33

that with Judy when she comes on the show, you

33:36

know, the writers, the writers, as Donald was

33:38

suggesting, out of that writer's room came

33:41

different nuanced flirtations

33:43

between Cox and Carla.

33:46

I never noticed that this one is obviously really

33:48

prevalent, and I hadn't, I hadn't seen this in twenty

33:50

years, but I was like, there's a vibe between those

33:52

two last for the next like five six

33:55

episodes, and absolutely, yeah,

33:57

it's and then and then Cox and Turk have

34:00

it out. And then do you

34:02

remember thinking, Donald, do you remember thinking

34:04

like, because we didn't know what the fun the writers

34:06

were gonna do you remember thinking like, oh shit, is

34:08

Judy is Are they gonna write her to go off

34:10

with him? Yeah? I remember thinking that because

34:13

they had history. That's the one thing that the

34:15

two of them out of everyone in the show, and

34:17

also u Ken's character Kelso

34:20

the three of them all have history. But Cox

34:23

and Carla have history.

34:25

Like I imagine Carla Cox

34:28

was a very young doctor when Carla came in,

34:30

you know what I mean, Like, you know what I mean? She had been there,

34:33

Carla, Carla had been there for a while,

34:35

and so they knew each other. They may have done

34:37

they may have hooked up. That's what I thought I thought

34:39

there was that one time I was watching

34:42

today, I was like, these two looks

34:44

like the two characters have history.

34:46

Yeah, absolutely yeah, and that

34:48

that that that we're gonna take it to our grave

34:51

and never speak about this history, right.

34:54

And I like Donald

34:56

and like you Zachi, I unabashedly

34:58

love Judy, and so that

35:01

was an easy thing to groove

35:03

into. You guys had great chemistry and

35:05

I and I and I was really noticing that

35:08

again we're watching all these with

35:10

fresh eyes after so many years, and I was watching

35:13

this one, I was really I don't

35:15

know, I just was reminded how good

35:18

those scenes are when it was you two. You guys

35:20

had amazing chemistry together. Absolutely,

35:22

I don't think there's any acting going on. Like I say, the

35:25

camera is an X ray machine and

35:27

it can see through bullshit, and

35:29

it could see that I love

35:32

Judy rays unabashador and

35:34

I always had Well, let's get into the

35:36

elephant in the room, because I was actually really

35:39

nervous to watch this episode. It's the first

35:41

one that I was like, I had a

35:43

pit in my stomach because, as Johnny

35:45

touched on, this was the episode we were shooting

35:47

when nine to eleven occurred. Nine

35:50

to eleven happened on a Tuesday. Well,

35:52

we had shot Monday

35:55

and then nine to eleven

35:57

occurred, and we should all

35:59

tell our stories of that day.

36:01

I think. I remember I woke up to Howard

36:03

Stern, you know when you're half awake and you're

36:06

listening, and Howard Stern was talking about it, and

36:08

it got to a point where I went, wait what

36:11

And I leapt up out of bed and

36:13

I went and turned on the TV. And

36:15

I remember thinking, as we all

36:18

did, holy shit, this is what the fuck's happening

36:20

in the world. But also as a young

36:22

actor who just got on a job, I was like, what

36:24

are we supposed to do here? We do we go to work

36:26

today? Like how And I remember I still

36:28

was like, I think I'm supposed to still go to

36:31

work. So I went

36:33

in and I remember Sean Hayes, who was our

36:35

guest star, was there, and he

36:37

and I sat in my dressing room and watched

36:40

it happened, and shortly

36:43

that thereafter the day was

36:45

was canceled. Do you guys

36:47

want to want to tell what your memory

36:49

of that? Yeah? I remember getting a phone

36:51

call and it was like five o'clock in the

36:53

morning. I remember picking up

36:56

the phone and recognizing the number

36:58

and cursing the person out on the

37:00

other what the fuck is your problem? I'm

37:02

working, I got work in a couple of hours. How

37:04

why are you calling me this early? You

37:07

know what I mean? And she

37:09

said, and she over the

37:12

phone goes, I'm sorry, shit, sorry, I

37:14

just wanted to tell you that a plane crashed into

37:16

the World Trade Center. And I was like, oh shoot,

37:18

I'm sorry. Whoa what? What? Wait? What? What? And

37:21

I ran to the television and I turned it

37:23

on, and like everybody

37:25

else in America, I was

37:27

stuck watching

37:29

television for and then Randall finally

37:32

called him, was like, we're not coming in to work, you

37:34

know, but today the day is

37:36

canceled. You don't have to come in. But I remember

37:38

just sitting in front of the television very

37:40

much like I am right now, you know what I mean. I

37:43

feel like I wake up every morning and

37:45

my and and the minute I wake up, I

37:47

turned on the news to check to

37:49

see how many people have COVID

37:52

nineteen, how many people we lost because of

37:54

COVID nineteen, and what the plan is

37:56

to figure out how we're going to get rid of COVID nineteen.

37:59

You know what I mean, and you know very

38:01

for the next week, I remember, that was

38:03

all that I did was I just watched the

38:06

news to see what the heck

38:08

is America going to do next? How

38:10

about you, Johnny, were you called in that day? Yeah,

38:13

I went back and looked it up last night. So the North

38:15

Tower got hit at five forty five am,

38:17

and I would have left about

38:20

ten minutes after

38:22

that to get there. And so I saw

38:24

the first well they

38:26

didn't really show the first but it looked like a plane

38:28

went into the first building, and then I had to go. And

38:31

so the South Tower got hit about

38:33

twenty two minutes later at six h three

38:36

our time, nine oh three New York time, and

38:38

so I would have been listening to it on the news. But

38:40

all of this, to me, there's

38:43

something called a mental model, and it's how you perceive

38:45

things. In my mental model, it was

38:48

it was like the plane that hit the Empire

38:50

State Building before we were born. There was a

38:52

prop plane that went into the Empire State Building

38:55

and nothing really happened, not nothing. I'm sure some people

38:57

died and it was horrible, but it

39:00

sounded like that, And so that's how

39:02

I was driving into Burbank

39:05

and when I got there, that clearly

39:08

wasn't the case. And then my

39:10

brother worked on the sixty second floor

39:12

of the South Tower, and so I

39:15

kept trying to call him and so, and

39:19

pretty early on it became clear that

39:21

nobody was going to get through on any

39:24

lines, on cell lines or landlines, because

39:26

those everything disconnected on those

39:28

towers, and so I couldn't get through to my brother.

39:30

And this is when an actor's

39:32

imagination is a curse, not a blessing. You only

39:35

imagine horrible things. And

39:37

it turns out in those eighteen

39:40

twenty minutes, those intervening times between

39:42

the North Tower getting hit and the South Tower getting

39:44

hit, on March trading desk,

39:47

they all had been there when they shake

39:50

from Newark, New Jersey, had set

39:52

off that bomb in the van in the basement ten

39:54

years earlier. So every monument

39:57

Mark's trading desk got up when

40:00

the first building

40:02

got hit and they started to make their way

40:04

down the stairs. But it was such a clusterfuck

40:07

going down the stairs in those eighteen minutes

40:09

from the sixty second floor down, they only

40:11

made it about twenty stories. Everybody

40:14

from like seventy two up died, and

40:16

so Mark got a concussion

40:19

going down the stairs. I don't know how. He

40:21

got really disoriented, and by the time he

40:23

got out of the building, he wandered up

40:25

the FDR Drive to East

40:27

Harlem, and

40:30

so he was missing for about twelve hours. And

40:33

so he made it all

40:36

the way to Harlem. Yes,

40:38

holy cow, was he just in shock, Johnny?

40:40

And he walked up far Yes. And

40:43

so I sat in the hospital for

40:45

all that time, and then I tried his

40:48

wife, who lived out in Short Hills, New Jersey at the

40:50

time. She only had an outgoing

40:52

message on her machine

40:54

saying, uh, Mark, I

40:56

know you're okay. I've gone

40:58

over to the Smith's house and

41:01

we're waiting for your call there. Well,

41:03

no calls came for about twelve hours, and so

41:05

I sat in the dressing room thinking

41:08

horrible things. And then obviously the buildings

41:10

came down shortly after that, and

41:14

what almost four thousand Americans died. Uh,

41:17

And so that was a that's the backdrop

41:19

for us shooting this episode. Yeah,

41:22

it's kind of miraculous that the episode

41:24

even makes any sense

41:26

that because of what some of

41:29

some people were carrying into the frame. I

41:31

agree. I think it's a weird episode, and

41:34

I don't I don't know if I'm bringing my

41:36

own anxiety of of of of the

41:38

time to it as I watch it now, but I'm also

41:41

going we were all not present

41:43

for these however many days,

41:46

and I felt like, especially when you look

41:48

at the first episode Chunk that we've just watched,

41:50

which you're like, holy shit, look at this show. Look at their

41:53

fire and all cylinders. This is the first

41:55

one where I go, oh, we all understandably,

41:58

obviously we all look a little based

42:00

out to me. That's

42:02

when I watched it last night. I mean,

42:05

there's obviously a lot of funny stuff in it that I

42:07

wrote down that made me laugh, but it

42:10

and again, like you, Zachie, I can't tell if it's

42:12

me imposing my

42:15

John McGinley onto what

42:17

Billy Lawrence created for those twenty

42:19

one minutes. But if

42:22

you just said disconnected it it

42:24

seemed a little disconnected to me this

42:27

one. Yes, absolutely, but how could

42:29

it not be? Right? Yeah?

42:31

Right, yeah? If mcginley's brother, If

42:33

mcginley's brother just got out of the what

42:36

was the South Tower and was

42:38

missing for a day, what

42:40

do you, superman? Of course you're going to carry that in front

42:42

of the lens, now, do you guys. Remember we

42:44

took that Tuesday off. Did we work

42:47

the next day or take that day off as well? I think

42:49

we took Wednesday off and we worked Thursday. Yeah,

42:52

now I do remember this. I remember the

42:54

very first thing we came back, believe it or

42:56

not, was that fucking dog show

42:59

fantasy. So I remember

43:01

feeling horribly guilty

43:03

that we should a should we even be working.

43:05

But I'm under a contract and I'm an actor

43:08

and I'm not going to ruffle anybody's feathers,

43:10

but it should be we be working. But then like,

43:13

yes, everyone's back to work. Here we go, and

43:15

I was like, Okay, what are we shooting? I can do this. We're

43:17

gonna do a fantasy where you're a dog at

43:19

a dog show and Johnny c is going to feel

43:22

your balls. And

43:27

that was like the first thing up, Johnny, do you remember that? It

43:29

was the first thing up. It must have been Thursday morning,

43:31

was me. I remember going to watch it. I remember

43:34

it. Oh my god, I remember that.

43:36

I wrote down. I wrote down that during

43:38

the dog show flashback, I had decided to

43:40

make you both really uncomfortable. And I think

43:42

it was because I was really uncomfortable. So

43:45

I love actors, and I would never do anything to

43:48

ever ever heard of an actor, especially when

43:50

it comes to a physical contact. And I

43:52

think I was just I was not appropriately

43:55

gentle with you guys. I like, took your

43:57

ear, Zachie and you can see, and I took

44:00

your fucking mouth and I opened it up and I talked. I

44:02

took Seawan's ere and I was I

44:04

was uncharacteristically for me as an actor,

44:06

not cox, but I love actors

44:09

so much. I would never ever do anything

44:11

to hurt them, and I

44:14

would think I was. I was not appropriate

44:16

with you two guys on that. I was very rough.

44:18

I remember being manhandled. Um.

44:21

Thank you for pantomiming the testicle part

44:23

though, because I think that would have been a little too rough on

44:25

on on me. You know, I'm sure

44:27

at some point I put my fist up your

44:29

Wreckum. I don't think so, at least not

44:31

in this episode. That may have been in later. I think

44:33

you did wear me like a hand puppet, but it was

44:35

in episode four. I

44:38

think during the dog show thing, I may

44:40

have engaged you. Well.

44:43

We were joking with Bill about how the crazy

44:45

sound effects would would would

44:47

were slowly phased out. I don't know maybe because

44:49

you were all off in this episode. But this episode

44:52

has so many ridiculous side effects,

44:54

so many and there's the there's like a Santa

44:56

sleigh jingle bell noise

44:59

when you grow my balls. That's like the choice

45:01

that was made

45:06

somewhere in sound effect editing. They were like,

45:08

Um, okay, what's the noise for Johnny

45:10

grabbing Jad's balls? Guys? How about

45:13

us Santa slave at jingle jinglebow?

45:17

You know what? I you know what I thought was really funny, Zachy

45:19

when you and Kenny are up on the roof, um

45:22

and he goes to he does kind of

45:24

a fake attacking you up on the roof.

45:26

Yeah, And whether

45:29

or not you're just a great actor or

45:31

if it was really weird, it looked

45:34

really weird. It's a weird

45:36

scene. By the way, can I just understand

45:40

he calls you a pansy. He goes you know what your

45:42

problem is? Yeah, is that you're a

45:44

pansy. It's just straight up it's

45:46

a weird scene. And I was waiting for something

45:48

to happen. I remember there was a fantasy where I where I

45:51

fell off a roof and there was a stuntman who did a big

45:53

jump and I thought, oh, is that this but it doesn't

45:55

really go anywhere, and Ken's just up

45:57

there smoking a pipe. He calls me a pansy

46:00

and then almost throws me off the roof, like legit,

46:02

and then like that's the scene. That's

46:05

it, And

46:08

and a couple of scenes before that at Mine forty

46:10

four, when when he goes keep shooting

46:12

you the um, he

46:15

gums ober and gives you a hug, and then

46:17

Kenny wraps his leg around. I think

46:19

that's a fantasy, Johnny, I will I. I didn't

46:21

know what the fuck was happening there either, and then there's a white

46:24

flash out of it. I think that's JD's fantasy,

46:26

because why his

46:29

leg around you mounted? Laugh?

46:31

Well, I just want to say, I think that's I wrote

46:34

down that. I think that's the only time in nine years

46:36

that Ken Jenkins ever mounted me.

46:41

Can we talk? Can we talk about jerking

46:43

off real quick? Yeah? Big as

46:45

a part of the show or just in your own life? Just yeah,

46:48

we could talk about it both. Let's talk about both.

46:50

How about that? Okay? Good, okay.

46:53

So here's here's here's the one thing.

46:55

I get that. First of all, we have two callbacks

46:57

to mash. We have you as a kid playing with

47:00

your brother. Right, And this scene,

47:03

the whole jerkeoff scene is actually

47:05

a scene from mash Don't

47:08

movie, if I'm correct, where they trick

47:10

somebody to go into the bathroom and jerk off. When

47:15

did jerking off become a bad thing that

47:17

you got to be embarrassed about? Well,

47:19

but you're not. You're not supposed to jerk off at work. Donald,

47:22

write that down. It's a sound

47:24

pass as a surgeon, got

47:26

it? So wait, hold on, Okay,

47:28

So that's so we're clear. It's okay

47:31

to masturbate, but once you do it at

47:33

work, you've crossed the line. Yes, I think

47:35

this kind of service announcement. This could

47:37

be a public service announcement for people all over the world.

47:40

Don't masturbate at work. It's

47:43

crossing the line. The more you know, the dan

47:45

you can put in a little more. You know, you

47:48

known effect there. I

47:52

saw something. I saw something When

47:54

Donald and I get to do the scene

47:56

of that comes before this, when

48:00

in the cafeteria and I tell you to go

48:02

to go and uh, what's the town

48:04

I tell you to go to, like spank town or something

48:06

like something like that. I forgot. But what

48:09

I'm Palmville,

48:12

and I have a pet peeve with actors

48:15

who wait until

48:18

they swallow their food to say

48:20

a line. And if you notice

48:22

in that thing, I always take the soup to hear.

48:25

It doesn't go in. No, it never does.

48:28

Don't. I never eat. I

48:30

never eat, by the way, it's disgusting.

48:33

No, whenever there's you will. If you ever see

48:35

me eating in anything I've

48:37

ever done, it's it's rare. I owe it.

48:39

My character is always done because I don't

48:41

want to deal with all the continuity and eating.

48:43

Of course, Okay, people are starting

48:45

to notice that actors aren't eating on television

48:48

shows or in movies now. Before

48:51

ahead before people didn't necessarily

48:53

notice. That's something that I think people

48:55

are starting to notice now. Other than Brad

48:57

Pitt, No one eats, no

49:00

one Whenever I see someone legit

49:02

eating, Like whenever I see someone I watch a

49:04

scene and someone's like eating, I'm like, oh my god, they

49:06

ate like that for probably four hours. Not

49:09

correct. My character is always done, always,

49:12

but also if it gets in the way of the

49:14

actor saying the line, and we have to

49:16

wait for those of us in a big family, nobody

49:18

waits to talk until they swallow there's

49:21

food in their mouth. They just segregated

49:23

over into kind of a chipmunk cheek and

49:25

then they just fire out the words

49:27

otherwise you'll lose the floor at the dinner table.

49:30

Did you guys have go to meals that you know they

49:32

were always There are lots of scenes where were supposed to have food

49:34

in front of us. Did you guys have a go to thing you would ask

49:36

to be in front of you? Steak, steak,

49:40

me soup because you never have to eat it. Yeah,

49:43

I just I'm gonna steal that, Johnny,

49:45

because I'm always have a plate of I would always tell

49:47

them, can you make it look like I'm done? And like you

49:49

know, and because this season

49:51

with soup you can just the spoon. The

49:54

prop of the spoon is, it's

49:56

indefatigable, it's perfect. It can you

49:59

can and plush, you can quoll it at somebody. You

50:01

can the top of the spoon, you

50:04

use this phone. I always

50:06

went for steak because I could eat steak

50:08

forever. I could eat steak like nobody's

50:11

business. So you were eating, you were and you were

50:13

an eater. No, but if

50:15

I did have like there was that one episode where I

50:17

did have to eat and

50:19

because Turk gets really bad heartburn.

50:22

And it's when Head the Lockleier

50:24

was on the show and John c myself

50:27

and Head the Lockleier at some benefit

50:30

and Carlos supposed to meet us there and

50:32

she never shows up and

50:34

I wind up eating a bunch of steak and

50:38

end up in the hospital with really bad

50:40

heartburn. So

50:43

I always went. I always went for steak

50:46

because I could eat it. It tastes good, it's easy the season.

50:48

Throw some salt on it, you know what I mean.

50:51

It's it's good to go. I thought

50:53

there were a couple different times in this episode where

50:56

despite everything, the

50:59

ensemble work in one where you is where

51:01

you passed the torch to Sean and

51:04

Sean just fits right into the style of

51:06

the piece, like he just takes

51:08

the torch, We pan with you,

51:10

out of frame, we come back, Shan's put the torch

51:12

down, and you guys just keep doing your thing.

51:14

That I was cleverly directed,

51:17

And I want to say, it's a rare moment

51:19

where that's obviously a fantasy and there

51:21

was no flash in out of it. I was clocking

51:23

that because you know, Bill always delineated

51:26

a fantasy with a with a little white flash

51:28

and that noise, and this is one of those

51:30

rare times where the

51:33

torch is a character, a

51:35

proper character in the piece, and there's no it's

51:38

both times it comes in, it's just handed off

51:40

and not really discussed. What's

51:42

also what's also interesting with Sean is

51:45

Sean's introduction, which would become a

51:47

classic Scrubs introduction, especially

51:49

with beautiful females with wind

51:51

and slow mow entrances as they walk

51:54

down the hall. Sean gets to come in

51:56

on top of a gurney save someone's

51:58

life and it's just

52:00

glorious. Dude, I wrote that down, Johnny.

52:02

I'm glad you brought that up because I wrote that down.

52:04

I think that might be the best entrance

52:07

other than other than Dick van Dyke.

52:10

Dick van Dyke's entrance is pretty amazing too,

52:12

but that might be one of the best entrances

52:15

for male in Scrubs history.

52:18

Yeah, all right, Joel, do we need to go a break

52:20

where we take to go to these lovely people? All

52:24

right, We're gonna go take another break and

52:26

we come back. We have questions from

52:29

some fans that are calling in, and they're

52:31

gonna have an amazing question I'm sure probably

52:33

for the legendary Johnny C mcginliy. I'll

52:35

give you a hint. Her name's Ashley.

52:47

We have a caller. Ladies

52:49

and gentlemen, welcome to the

52:51

show. Ashley Cooper, harrow

52:54

it and friend?

52:57

Do you how much money? Do you? How much money it had cost

52:59

us to get Oprah to do all these introductions

53:01

of our guests. It's fortune? Hi,

53:05

guys, um why why did why did Joelle

53:07

um imply that there was something unique

53:09

and special about you? Guys? So

53:12

I wrote in earlier this

53:14

week, I was looking if I could figure

53:16

out a way for you to to do like

53:18

a birthday shout out. This is my husband, Alexander.

53:21

Hi, Alexander, husband Alexander. Oh

53:24

my god, he is

53:26

that quisition and absolutely loves your show.

53:29

What's up? Man? How's it? Goal? Deal? Now?

53:31

Donald changed show? Donald

53:34

changed Donald respectful voice.

53:37

Let me show that respect? What is good?

53:41

Not too glad? There's this right before work. I'm

53:43

about to head out of here in about an hour. Oh

53:45

man, Wow, you're the real deal. Very much,

53:48

so much, very very much for

53:50

for calling in. Uh

53:52

who's going to ask the question? He is awesomethay?

53:56

Oh happy birthday

53:59

too, happy birthday?

54:02

Too happy birthday?

54:07

We called it birthday.

54:12

He's a grown man, as you know. He

54:16

works in the hospital, not

54:20

like us. We were fake

54:22

doctors on a TV show. Yes,

54:25

bringing it Home? Yes? So

54:28

wait, did you not know about this? Is this a surprise?

54:31

I found out I

54:34

kept it a surprise for maybe forty five

54:36

seconds. And don't you should have kept

54:38

it a surprise until you guys zoomed in?

54:40

How cool would that been? But

54:43

then you never know. You would have been like, who are these guys? Who

54:45

are these guys? Wait? Who are these guys? All

54:47

right, guys, go ahead, Sure,

54:49

So I guess the biggest question is I guess

54:52

what it came down through is I watched a lot of the different type

54:54

of medical shows, and I found that throughout

54:56

my training so far, and I was attending

54:58

so far that the

55:00

show of Scrubs actually portrays

55:03

how the hospital life really works the most

55:05

accurate of all the medical shows, despite it being

55:07

primarily a comedy. Well, that

55:10

something that Bill purposely did. Was

55:12

that something that the staff tried to incorporate, because

55:14

I, I mean I listened to the first

55:17

one, I said, like Donald really good the round the hospital,

55:19

I was I was. I was absolutely

55:21

right. I was so afraid to go into the

55:24

hospital at that point. Listen. Since

55:26

then, I've you know, I've developed a

55:29

listen if something's wrong, or if I feel

55:31

like something's wrong, I'm going right to my

55:33

primary and we're gonna talk about it. Before

55:36

that, though, I was just like every other person.

55:39

You know, in the African American community,

55:41

we have a stigma when it comes

55:43

to doctors. We are very afraid

55:46

of the bad news. And you think

55:48

I'm joking, But this is the honest and goodness

55:50

truth. And

55:52

I've done I've done PSA after PSA

55:55

about talking, you know, talking about

55:57

you know, going and getting your numbers known, get

55:59

your CELESTEROL, get your your

56:02

BMI, your your blood

56:04

pressure, your blood I

56:06

love You're trying to list them to an ear doc. I'm

56:11

just trying to listen. He was like, he's like blue closer.

56:13

You're like, no, no, no, there's four, there's uh

56:17

anyway, But well, Johnny, Johnny, why

56:19

don't you answer because you're the special guest about

56:22

about his question? Um.

56:24

I had spent the first

56:26

three weeks of my son's life a couple of years earlier

56:28

in the neo natal intensive care unit, and

56:31

I carried most of that was that

56:33

functioned largely as all the homework

56:36

I ever needed for medical

56:39

um replica trying to

56:41

to to do medical stuff. And

56:44

uh Max had different challenges born

56:46

downs in rome and he had microscopic holes in his

56:48

heart. Also we had infantel

56:50

teasers. We had all sorts of different challenge. But

56:53

if you spend if you're the acron

56:55

import is the nick you, If you spent three or four

56:57

weeks in the nick you,

57:00

you should get enough of that on you to be

57:02

able to tell the truth in front of the lens.

57:04

And so that that's largely what I was trying to

57:06

honor when we were doing that Medical

57:08

Scripts. I think I

57:12

think Bill also has said, um,

57:15

you know, we knew we were going to be silly,

57:17

and we knew we were gonna have these crazy fantasies, and we

57:19

knew in a lot in a lot of ways it was gonna be a

57:21

comedy. So he wanted the

57:23

baseline. He wanted to drop in for all the medicine

57:26

to be as accurate as possible and

57:29

um and that

57:31

was also something that John Doris

57:33

wanted to the real j D

57:35

wanted. He was like, listen, you can make

57:38

fun of all of the things we did that I did

57:40

in college and stuff like that, but it

57:42

has to be grounded at the end of the day. Don't make a fool

57:44

of us, you know what I mean. Make sure that

57:47

that there's truth behind everything

57:49

as well. Yeah, I think that that that's

57:51

one of the reasons works and the matter. I think the American

57:54

Medical Association has said, which we always

57:56

thought was bizarre, but that they

57:58

said that this was the most medical accurate

58:00

of all the medical shows. Um,

58:03

so we always took that as a badge of honor, and I think

58:05

Bill was really, really, really proud of

58:07

that. He said, we can be as silly as we want to be.

58:09

When we get into the medicine, it's all gonna be gonna

58:11

be real. And also, yeah, once you get that,

58:14

once you get that tag where you got where someone

58:16

says to you, you guys are the most medically

58:18

accurate, you don't ever want to fall off that

58:20

that bandwagon. You want to stay. You want

58:23

to stay on that. You want to make sure that every story,

58:25

at least in the first at least in the first eight

58:28

seasons. I don't know about season nine, but in the first

58:30

eight seasons, we made sure to

58:32

stick to the actual

58:35

script to keep it real. As

58:38

they say, oh, is that an expression?

58:41

I hear the kids say that nowadays. Do

58:45

you have another question? Yeah, go ahead, so

58:47

that'll be the I guess. The more

58:50

hey are, the more difficult question

58:52

easier. One is what keep tikes? Did you guys get

58:55

so rowdy? Didn't get taken with you guys? But what

58:57

about like the tiki necklaces or anything like that.

59:00

I'm not a I'm not a supnir guy, so I

59:02

don't ever. I shouldn't

59:04

taken stuff from a lot of sets. But it's not. I

59:06

always thought it was bad luck. I never

59:09

You don't know any scrubs whatsoever. I

59:12

don't have any scrubs in my house. I think it's a I

59:14

think it's a jinx. What what

59:16

about the kicks? Because Nike sent us a bunch

59:19

of kicks when we were making that show. That's

59:21

different. Swags

59:27

are different than Yeah,

59:32

I don't have any. I have the I have the slates from

59:34

episodes I directed, you know the thing we clap

59:36

in front of the lens you're directing them. Yeah,

59:39

And then I have the I have the antlers from

59:41

when we did the pilot when I was a deer in headlights.

59:43

Donald is showing you his his sneakers,

59:47

hundredth episode Sneakers. Look how

59:49

warn and ruined they are. I've rocked these

59:51

for like a year. I put mine

59:53

on a shelf and save them, and they're mint and Donald's

59:55

are all fucked up. I'm so proud of

59:57

these, and look and

59:58

look there, that's the best

1:00:00

rewraps on the planet for for

1:00:02

for Christmas, you guys. Well, one thing that's funny

1:00:05

about this podcast on the Zoom Call is that whenever

1:00:07

Donald wants to reference a piece of clothing, he doesn't

1:00:09

have to move from his seat. He just reaches out of frame

1:00:12

and pulls it in. Well,

1:00:16

we are in my closet. No, it's just funny.

1:00:18

Like you've done that a few times now, you know. It's not even like

1:00:20

you have to stand, You just reach out of frame and

1:00:22

pull out. Well, I'm on my side. I mean I'm in like

1:00:25

I'm in, like I'm on my side. So like

1:00:27

all of this is me, this is my wife's

1:00:29

stuff. So if I read I'm never I was. You

1:00:31

know, what I was thinking about doing was turning it all around

1:00:33

and doing it from a different angle. But I think I

1:00:35

just confuse everyone. No, I love this. I will

1:00:38

forever remember this time of doing this

1:00:40

podcast and staring at you like it looks

1:00:42

like you're sitting on the ground in your closet.

1:00:50

You know, it's not every day that we have a real live

1:00:53

doctor on the show, and so

1:00:56

this is this is this is a pretty special

1:00:58

thing. Uh. If you have any

1:01:00

other questions, feel free to ask us. O'donald's

1:01:03

giving you the rare third question. It's

1:01:05

never been bestowed. It's because you're a real

1:01:08

doctor. It's never been bestowed upon anyone in

1:01:10

all seven episodes of Fake

1:01:13

Doctor's Real Friends. All Right, what

1:01:15

was the most emotionally difficult episode

1:01:17

that you guys did? Yes, good,

1:01:20

Johnny, what's up? I thought this

1:01:22

one would have to be right up there,

1:01:25

just getting through this one and

1:01:27

trying to to hue to the style

1:01:30

of the piece and not fall

1:01:32

too deep keep into an eleven of

1:01:34

it all it was. It was impossible.

1:01:37

But Johnny, we have to give a nod to

1:01:39

one of the best episodes ever where

1:01:41

you were just incredibly good in that Brendan

1:01:43

Frasier uh dying episode.

1:01:47

Yeah, but that that that we got to act,

1:01:49

that was acting. This was this was real

1:01:51

life, just killed four thousand people, and

1:01:54

it was I thought it was almost impossible to get

1:01:56

through this episode. And when I watched it and it actually

1:01:58

just made sense. Us didn't make

1:02:00

sense. Yeah is good. Yeah,

1:02:04

not great, This is good. Yeah, But I was

1:02:06

gonna say it still has some really genuinely

1:02:08

funny parts, and the emotion that

1:02:11

Sean has at the end of the episode,

1:02:13

and even and the emotion that you have with Carla

1:02:15

at the end of the episode. You talked about that earlier in the

1:02:18

podcast, about how

1:02:20

it gave you a lump in your throat and everything like that because

1:02:22

you were speaking your truth at

1:02:24

that moment. But I

1:02:27

stuff right right, absolutely.

1:02:30

I think stuff like the potassium and

1:02:32

asked Tim and TikTok Clarice.

1:02:35

Those things caught me off guard last night when I

1:02:37

was watching it. I also, I'm sorry to be I'm

1:02:39

sorry to be the guy who laughs at a fart

1:02:41

joke, but I legit laughed

1:02:43

so hard when when Todd

1:02:46

goes the wording of this line is so funny,

1:02:48

sir, I farted

1:02:51

long pause. That smell

1:02:54

is from the fart that I made.

1:02:59

You know he were heard that line, But

1:03:03

the wording of that the

1:03:05

wording of that. I think that's the funniest thing in the whole episode,

1:03:08

to be honest, and I'm sorry to be so so

1:03:10

simple that I love a fart joke that much,

1:03:12

but I just thought the wording of that, that smell

1:03:15

pause is from the fart that I

1:03:17

made. Meanwhile,

1:03:20

the surgeon, what's his name? Is in there?

1:03:22

Like, what's what's that smell? From? What the

1:03:24

hell happened? What's

1:03:28

going on? Who was that actor?

1:03:30

That actor did a good job, Charles kind

1:03:33

of a thankless role. Yeah, he you

1:03:35

know, he's been in a lot of movies. Actually to

1:03:38

uh, he was in um, he

1:03:40

was in Dumb and Dunk. He's the guy dry

1:03:42

and right down the middle. Yeah, he Charles

1:03:45

was great, man. He he stuck around

1:03:47

for damn near the whole show. You

1:03:50

know what's interesting, I didn't realize Johnny Castle was

1:03:52

in the show that much. Me neither.

1:03:55

He's in like every episode, even he's

1:03:58

Dunk. I didn't. I really don't

1:04:00

remember that Doug had this bigger role in the show.

1:04:02

But dougs dogs. Doug's got a lot of stuff

1:04:04

going on. Yeah, thank you guys

1:04:06

so much for your questions, and of course, be

1:04:09

safe on the on the front lines out there, my

1:04:11

friend. We totally appreciate you. Thank

1:04:14

you so much, Thank you so much. Thank

1:04:16

you guys, and thank you Ashley for

1:04:18

calling in with your husband

1:04:20

on so we could have the honor of having some husband

1:04:23

or boyfriend that's her husband. Okay, good.

1:04:25

I thought you might have been proposing for him and he

1:04:27

just gotta you

1:04:30

get it. If you get a surgeon, man

1:04:32

or a woman, you you marry that person.

1:04:34

Yeah, lock it down, lock

1:04:36

it down. You're a guy who got

1:04:39

a female surgeon, is it you marry

1:04:41

that? Yeah? Yeah, be well, take

1:04:43

care all right. I

1:04:46

thought Sarah had a really nice beat. When

1:04:48

Sarah's being overwhelmed for

1:04:50

a moment, we're in the closet, she's

1:04:53

so good at turning stuff. She just she's

1:04:55

really upset, and then she turns.

1:04:59

She puts on that grave face and it's clean.

1:05:01

It's this little gem and I

1:05:03

have no idea of nine to eleven imprinted

1:05:06

on her in some way for that, but she just

1:05:08

turns it and it's she's so

1:05:11

nimble. I forgot how how

1:05:13

facile she is emotionally. One

1:05:15

of my favorite lines in the show is when

1:05:18

she goes, I'd let him drool on me, and

1:05:20

then the way she looks at Zach

1:05:23

after she says it, she

1:05:26

meant that ship. That's

1:05:32

funny. Donald. Do you have any

1:05:34

memory of the Fantasy at ten forty seven,

1:05:36

which is that post apocalyptic like no,

1:05:39

like you're standing by a fire.

1:05:43

I remember, I remember after I saw

1:05:45

it. I remembered us doing that scene, but

1:05:48

I was like, where is this going? I didn't

1:05:50

know where it was. It was a

1:05:52

basement. You know What's interesting, I

1:05:55

even though this took

1:05:57

place during nine to eleven, there are a lot of moments

1:05:59

in the show where I was like, well, I don't remember. I

1:06:02

don't remember this. I don't I don't.

1:06:04

You know, There's there's certain things that I did remember.

1:06:07

I remembered Sean Hayes and him

1:06:09

getting choked. I definitely remember

1:06:11

the last scene with UH, with

1:06:14

Johnny and UH and Judy

1:06:16

where he kind of slips and professes

1:06:19

his love for her. I

1:06:21

remembered all of that because that tracked with my story.

1:06:23

But other than that, man, you

1:06:26

know, I say this every week. This

1:06:29

show is it's it's

1:06:31

so much fun for me because I don't remember

1:06:34

any of it. It's like I'm watching it with fresh

1:06:36

eyes. If you if you weren't in a

1:06:38

scene, or let me say this about me, if

1:06:40

I wasn't in a scene. I wasn't leaving my dressing

1:06:42

room to go watch stuff. Right, but

1:06:45

even when the show came on, Right,

1:06:48

this is all brand new for me. But also,

1:06:50

Johnny, you weren't smoking long hits, so

1:06:53

you probably have someone you probably

1:06:55

have some of your brain left. Okay.

1:06:57

So Donald was like, I didn't even know the show

1:06:59

is about doctors. I

1:07:04

was very young. I smoked a lot of marijuana

1:07:06

when I was a kid. Um was that? So?

1:07:08

Was that your first? Correct me if I'm

1:07:10

wrong. Was that your guy's first scene together?

1:07:12

That you telling him to beat off? Yeah?

1:07:15

It's it certainly seems like it

1:07:17

in the content. I don't know, but we had

1:07:20

to the writing. Yeah. Yeah,

1:07:22

after that, you and I had so many scenes.

1:07:24

You know, all of a sudden, I became Gandhi.

1:07:26

I don't even know how that came. Was that an improv

1:07:29

from you? Did you make up Gandhi? Or was okay

1:07:31

that's billy Okay? But

1:07:34

yeah, this is this is the beginning of

1:07:36

the Cox and turk Uh

1:07:39

your very first encounter you, um,

1:07:41

because we were the two athletes in the hospital,

1:07:44

you know what I mean. And so now

1:07:46

it was like, oh okay, so it was like, you know, Michael

1:07:48

Jordan VERSU Kobe Bryant, you know what I mean.

1:07:51

That's also and also he

1:07:53

really didn't you know. The whole point was he didn't

1:07:55

like you fucking with Carla in the

1:07:57

beginning. In the beginning, but

1:08:00

as time goes on, the

1:08:02

beats that Cox and Turk have is

1:08:04

strictly it's all you

1:08:06

know, you know this, we have

1:08:08

this competitive fire, you know what I mean,

1:08:11

and it needs to be and it needs to be, you know,

1:08:13

way, we need to fan that bad boy

1:08:16

so that you know, we can live. And so I

1:08:18

think Cox and Turk really enjoyed trying

1:08:20

to one up each other. I do too,

1:08:22

but I thought it was a little manufactured

1:08:25

because again, if the camera is an X ray

1:08:27

machine and you can see

1:08:30

how it was a little man,

1:08:32

it always felt a little manufactured to me, What

1:08:34

do you mean? I didn't believe that

1:08:36

I had that big of a problem with you, Okay.

1:08:39

I always looked at it as he didn't like that I

1:08:41

was with Carla, and because I won

1:08:44

and got that one up, he was always trying

1:08:46

to get a one up on Turk. That's

1:08:48

how I always looked at it. But I guess

1:08:51

I just I mean, even in a basketball even when

1:08:53

we played, even when we played basketball and you hurt

1:08:55

your back in that episode that we

1:08:57

do that, even that you know what I mean? But

1:08:59

hey, yeah, you know. I

1:09:01

think also the love that we have for each

1:09:04

other. I remember my first time band like, Johnny, please

1:09:06

don't intimidate me, and You're like, shut the

1:09:08

fuck up. Nobody's intimidating you. And You're

1:09:11

right. You

1:09:13

are always so generous, though, Johnny with us

1:09:15

because you know, we we we we we knew

1:09:18

who you were. We both loved your work,

1:09:20

and I think both I can think I could speak for both of us

1:09:22

when we were like nervous. I was nervous to

1:09:25

work with you, and I just want to thank you.

1:09:27

You know, for those of you who aren't actors, it's

1:09:30

the person who's got more of a resume

1:09:32

and is the bigger star. The onus is always on them

1:09:34

to make everyone else feel

1:09:36

comfortable around them. And I thought you always were

1:09:39

so generous and never made us feel intimidated

1:09:41

at all, unless it was obviously in the scene.

1:09:43

But as a person, you never did. I felt like

1:09:45

we were gonna that this truly was

1:09:47

even even though Jackie Well respect

1:09:50

was number one on the call sheet. I felt like

1:09:52

this thing was the truest form of an ensemble

1:09:55

and that was never lost on me. And

1:09:57

if that a rising tide, there's a say,

1:10:00

and the rising tide floats all boats, and

1:10:02

I felt we had to do this together or sink. Either

1:10:05

either rise or sink together. With Billy

1:10:07

at the helm, there was no confusion about that. One

1:10:09

time Billy rose, I

1:10:12

had to kiss his wife, who played

1:10:14

my wife, so my ex wife on the show, Christa

1:10:18

Miller, who is a very dear friend of mine,

1:10:20

And so I kissed her and in

1:10:23

the middle of kissing her, she stuck

1:10:25

her tongue in my mouth and I

1:10:27

was just I was like, I'm

1:10:29

not okay with this. And

1:10:33

so I go upstairs to the third floor where our

1:10:35

dressing rooms are, where Billy's office was, and

1:10:37

I knocked on his door and who

1:10:40

Billy had took you saying, and he goes, yeah, come

1:10:43

on and sit down. I go, I gotta I

1:10:45

gotta get something off my chest here. I was just in

1:10:47

the scene that you wrote. I was

1:10:49

just having a kiss Krista and

1:10:52

she stuck her tongue in my mouth and

1:10:55

he's such a bulbuster. He gives it a pause and

1:10:57

he goes, did you like it? He

1:11:02

did it to get me yea. By

1:11:05

the way, Johnny, this dovetails into something I said.

1:11:07

This dovetails was something I said earlier. I

1:11:09

think Billy has a little bit of a little

1:11:12

bit bit of a thing for that. It

1:11:15

was horrorfying. Not

1:11:19

being kissed by CHRISTI was horrorfying. But the boss's

1:11:21

beautiful wife. It

1:11:24

makes me nervous even telling the story. That's

1:11:27

so funny. I think I think Billy has

1:11:29

a little bit of a special place in his heart for

1:11:32

man he likes kissing his wife. I

1:11:35

have a question for you, guys, when you watched the show now,

1:11:38

do you feel like we foreshadowed so much

1:11:40

in every episode? Like we foreshadowed a lot in every

1:11:42

episode, Like even when watching this

1:11:44

episode, it's pretty clear that Sean

1:11:46

Hayes's character, he

1:11:49

doesn't have it all together, even though he seems

1:11:51

like it. Hey, he has it together, and it's and maybe

1:11:53

because we watched the whole episode now,

1:11:56

but every time Nurse Roberts came in to

1:11:58

address him, he always said, no problem,

1:12:01

no problem, and I

1:12:03

feel like I feel like that

1:12:06

was foreshadowing. Obviously it was a problem,

1:12:08

and this was going to be the issue that broke

1:12:10

him. I feel like, if you watch Scrubs,

1:12:14

what we did very well. We presented

1:12:16

the problem to you early on and

1:12:19

disguised it and disguised it or

1:12:21

hit it with comedy and

1:12:23

other things. But then at the end of the episode

1:12:26

we always hit you with the drama

1:12:28

to make you feel it. But if

1:12:30

you watched all the way through, we would

1:12:33

leave crumbs and hints that this

1:12:35

was coming. I

1:12:37

think, yes, yes to that, and I think

1:12:39

and it reminded me. I'm

1:12:42

reminded of it in the first flashback

1:12:45

where Zachy is with

1:12:47

his brother and the

1:12:50

tag out is we don't

1:12:52

even talk that much. He doesn't talk that much to me,

1:12:54

And then there's this long

1:12:57

I don't know, we'll make it up twenty your

1:12:59

disconnected, And when Tommy Kavanaugh shows up

1:13:01

at the hospital, all that stuff that

1:13:03

Zach had, that Billy had insinuated

1:13:06

in that scene yields

1:13:09

dividends because they have lost contact.

1:13:11

They're completely disconnected,

1:13:13

and the disconnect is profound when

1:13:15

they're person to personal. So when Tommy

1:13:18

comes in and Jackie and him, don't connect on

1:13:20

any level. Even even the John

1:13:22

Ritter of Jackie's father, they

1:13:24

don't connect at all. And that's

1:13:26

all in that first flashback. Yeah,

1:13:29

but not just that, even you missing

1:13:31

Jordan the first time

1:13:34

we meet Jordan. At the end of it, you're reminiscing

1:13:36

about the wedding and all of that stuff. It

1:13:39

tracks later on because you guys

1:13:41

get back together and you do still love

1:13:43

her, even though in between all of that

1:13:45

you guys are warring and you date someone

1:13:47

else, and you know what I mean, Billy,

1:13:50

it's very good at his job.

1:13:53

Johnny, did you like this? Did you? Will

1:13:55

you come back again onto the podcast?

1:13:58

Yeah? It seems it seems impot to

1:14:01

unload the number of stories. Uh,

1:14:03

this was a particularly hard episode

1:14:05

when I was watching it. It was just

1:14:08

a hard episode to a

1:14:10

lot of stuff from nine to eleven came back to me, which

1:14:12

I don't know if a lot of people it's a heavy

1:14:14

handed way of approaching something,

1:14:16

but people actors are human beings, and I

1:14:19

was really

1:14:22

impacted by nine to eleven in a in a

1:14:25

immediate family way, and

1:14:27

to have gotten through this episode in

1:14:29

retrospect seems impossible to me. And

1:14:32

that is that it's that it's a coherent, well

1:14:35

told tale that goes for twenty one minutes.

1:14:38

Is good? That's good enough? Yeah, yeah,

1:14:40

there are there are there are levels

1:14:43

of of good,

1:14:45

better, best, excellent episodes,

1:14:48

and this one just goes in under the

1:14:51

category of executed. We executed. Yes,

1:14:53

there's some funny stuff in it, and that's good enough.

1:14:56

I totally agree, I I I this

1:14:58

is the first one. You know, Donald and I jokes when

1:15:00

we start doing this, like, you know, there's gonna be ones that we don't

1:15:02

like, and we're like, that feels this is the

1:15:04

first one that it's something we don't like it. It's just that

1:15:06

it's like we all have this Pavlovian response

1:15:09

to watching it, going, oh, this just feels wrong

1:15:11

and weird, and we remember, I agree,

1:15:15

And I'm not discounting to all the great work that

1:15:17

everybody did. I'd about to say, I feel like

1:15:19

everybody did their jobs so well though,

1:15:22

you know what I mean, at the end of the day, regardless

1:15:25

of what we were going through at the time, if

1:15:28

you didn't know that that was the nine to eleven

1:15:30

episode, you're not going to be able to

1:15:32

tell you know what I mean. We know, I don't

1:15:35

know that's probably. There's so

1:15:38

many great jokes and we just talked, including

1:15:40

that smell

1:15:43

was the fart that I made, right, But

1:15:46

we keep her there, keep her here. I have heard you the five six

1:15:48

sevent eight. Okay, baby baby, baby Wilder come

1:15:50

here. We want to thank Johnny

1:15:52

c McGinley, the legend and Johnny Um.

1:15:55

We really want you to come back because we're just sitting

1:15:57

around doing this. Man, we got nothing to do. We're sitting

1:15:59

around watching episodes and laughing. Here,

1:16:01

yeah, please come back. There's a thousand times

1:16:04

show. And now Donald has a very special visitor

1:16:06

who's going to count us into the theme song. Don Walder

1:16:08

Wilder, my daughter Wilders here say five

1:16:11

six seven eight. Okay,

1:16:13

she said, no a five six seven eight

1:16:15

stories about show

1:16:18

we made about

1:16:20

a bunch of domes and nurses and Janna

1:16:23

who here, I said, he's the stories

1:16:26

never should no. So

1:16:29

yeado around you, Here are yadoo

1:16:32

around you, Here are free

1:16:34

wild show. Mm

1:16:38

hmmm