0:00

We should start right off because I have some ideas.

0:04

Ahead, Johnny, go ahead, because

0:06

you have you guys have to grind this. And I'm so

0:09

excited that some things occurred

0:11

to me while I was watching this thing. I

0:14

love it when you come on, you know why, because you come

0:16

prepared. You're like, you're as prepared

0:18

as Donald and I You're like, you're wound up. Well

0:21

I am. Look going

0:23

back and watching this, first of all, it's

0:25

hard not to feel

0:28

really proud of it. Yeah,

0:30

and this one I thought deserved some

0:32

backdrop because the one last Week one

0:35

is a spectacular episode. Zach. You're particularly

0:38

great in that episode with Sarah and

0:40

then the monologues with the shrink let the whole

0:42

ensemble just shine. And

0:45

I busted my ass

0:47

on those monologues because the writing was

0:49

astonished and you noticed there's no cuts. I

0:51

mean, we were clearly all told that they

0:55

Yeah, they were, especially since

0:57

Donald knew it, so we were clearly all

1:00

old that there would be no cuts. But

1:02

what I thought was really interesting and maybe

1:04

interesting for people listening is

1:07

a little bit of context. And what I mean

1:10

is because in this episode,

1:12

it's it became clear to me just how jelled

1:15

the ensemble is whether it's Kenny

1:17

and Judy, you and Me, Zachie

1:19

Donald and Sarah, the thing is

1:22

just water tight. And the

1:24

reason is because I

1:26

think now, as we discussed already, nine eleven

1:29

had already occurred, were round about the middle

1:31

of December here, and

1:33

so what happened in New

1:36

York, which I'll circle this back, was

1:38

the New York Yankees lost the World Series

1:40

in seven games to the Arizona Diamondbacks.

1:43

And the only reason that's relevant

1:46

is because they lost. There was

1:48

no ticker Tape parade in New York

1:50

City, so we

1:52

were invited to the Thanksgiving Parade

1:54

in New York City, and it

1:57

was the first taste of real rock

1:59

star for all of us because we worked till Wednesday

2:02

night until about and

2:04

this was a week or two before this episode,

2:07

and then we were whisked off to

2:10

l a X where we occupied

2:12

the entire front of first

2:14

class. There was only one other person. There

2:16

were only one other, that's right, and

2:18

it was a It was a boy band. It was like

2:21

uh, oh Town or something like that. We shared

2:23

first class. It was the cast of Scrubs

2:26

and oh Town. I remember. It might as

2:28

well have been a private plane. It wasn't. But it was first

2:30

class. It wasn't coach, it was first It wasn't

2:32

business class, it was first class.

2:34

And we were going to New York to participate in

2:36

the Thanksgiving Day Parade. Now, remember

2:39

there had been no mass gatherings

2:41

allowed in New York since

2:44

that Tuesday morning in September. There's just

2:46

wasn't allowed. The Yankees were supposed to be there, but

2:49

they weren't. So we fly overnight,

2:51

and you guys can chime in, but we fly overnight,

2:54

we go, we're deposited at some chapel

2:56

on the Upper West Side somewhere. We didn't even

2:58

go to the hotel. We just they dropped us

3:00

off at the freaking parade.

3:03

We were like lying on the on the ground in the chapel.

3:07

Yeah. And we got sideways

3:09

on the plane. Yeah,

3:12

sideways as

3:14

you do. And

3:17

and then we we got up and Zachy,

3:19

I think you brought your nephew onto the

3:21

float. Yeah, I did. And it was

3:23

a quasi racist kind of Pocahona's

3:26

float. Um. And

3:29

they've gotten they've gotten rid of some of those

3:31

since then, I think, Yeah, but I absolutely I

3:33

think, Well, here's the Scrubs cast and a quasi

3:36

racist Pocahona's float on

3:38

the upper west side and the staging area, and

3:40

who pulls up behind us but

3:42

the Wiggles in the big red car. Now,

3:45

I had gone to Wiggles concerts with my

3:48

son every time they're in Los

3:50

Angeles for the last couple of years. I was eating,

3:52

sleeping, and drinking the Wiggles. So

3:55

I got off the float and I went back to

3:57

the big Red car and induced myself to Murray

3:59

and Jeff and I introduced myself to everybody,

4:02

and I became friends with the Wiggles,

4:04

and I am to this day. Do you hang

4:06

out with the Wiggles? Still? Not really,

4:08

but I did a video for them, and I

4:11

they became my friends. There. My

4:13

memory started to interrupt. One second, Johnny, My memory

4:16

is that my nephew was a very

4:18

outspoken kid and

4:20

not shy at all. And I don't know how

4:22

old he was, but he was little, and we wanted

4:24

to be like nine, dude, no younger

4:26

and younger younger. He was a little kid. And

4:29

so Al Roke, we're off the flow at one point

4:31

and Al Roker is interviewing us, and he goes and I'm

4:33

here with the cast of Scrubs and I've got Johnny

4:35

c McGinley, Donald Fason is going around introducing

4:37

the whole cast and my nephe and this is

4:39

live television. And my nephew goes,

4:42

what about me? And

4:46

Al Roker? It's awkward, and Al Roker

4:48

ignores him and starts so tell us about

4:50

the show. Got interrupts him

4:52

again, what about me?

4:57

And finally Al feels bad enough

4:59

that he's like, I'm sorry, young man,

5:01

you're right, and what's your name? And then he introduces

5:03

himself. But I was like, it was my first nay throwing

5:06

gang signs to like he

5:09

didn't he didn't, he didn't know any like real

5:11

gang signs, but he had seen on TV how

5:13

how how rappers and whomever throw gang

5:15

signs. So we're on the float and he's like throwing

5:18

these like almost gang

5:20

signs. When I when

5:22

I spoke to Al Roker after

5:24

after he cut, I said, how

5:27

how is this for a turnout? And he said,

5:29

this will be the largest turnout in the history of the Macy's

5:31

Thanksgiving Day prayed and I said, will give me an estimate,

5:34

and he said, they'll be about three and a half million people here.

5:36

And so every time we went through an intersection,

5:39

and I'll wrap the story up in a minute. But every time

5:41

we went down an intersection, you

5:43

could see it was a hundred to two

5:45

hundred people deep at every intersection.

5:48

I've never seen that many people. I never

5:50

will in my life. Yeah, it was. That

5:52

was. I remember being like, wow, there are so

5:54

many people here, and we were on

5:57

the float and every You're right,

5:59

every time we passed an intersection it

6:01

looked like it went so deep

6:04

into the intersection. I remember thinking, how

6:06

are all of these people? It was like sardines

6:08

too, Like they were packed together

6:11

because nobody had been allowed nobody had been

6:13

allowed to gather since

6:15

that Tuesday. And another thing I remember is that

6:17

my nephew was was on the float and he I

6:19

thought, oh, this will be fun for him. He was he was

6:21

bored in thirty seconds, right, And I was like,

6:23

oh funk, I gotta take care of this kid for a whole

6:26

parade. Yeah, we had to. It's all the way

6:28

from Uptown, all the way to Macon. Yeah. And he's

6:30

throwing his gang signs for a while and then he got

6:32

bored of that. And then there was like an upstairs

6:34

in the float. I don't know if it was like it

6:37

was like in Pocahona's Head or something. Well

6:39

it was a multi tiered ship. Yeah,

6:42

but even like in the in the in the non

6:44

outside area, there was some spot he found

6:47

and then he went up there and he found bubble wrap and I

6:49

was like, okay, fucking bubble wrap will entertain him

6:51

for a little while. Then he got over the but he

6:53

was stopping on the bubble wrap and I was like,

6:55

this is I'm never having kids, This is like the worst.

7:00

What about my My only point

7:02

bringing this up, and I'll

7:04

circle it back, was that. And also

7:06

remember a couple of weeks earlier,

7:08

actually about a month earlier, we had been

7:10

picked up for the back nine, and

7:13

we ran around the hospital with their HUDs cut off,

7:15

and so that meant you had paychecks

7:18

until May, the first week

7:20

of night or so, because in TV you only

7:22

get paid for episodes produced, and

7:25

so they just you know, it just let's explain to

7:27

people who don't know the show was

7:30

was picked up for the first thirteen episodes,

7:32

and they kind of see how you do in the ratings, and

7:35

then if you do well enough in the ratings, you get

7:37

the rest of the order, which which is in

7:40

in in business talk is called the back nine,

7:42

meaning you get the get nine more episodes,

7:45

and we had been given that news about a month

7:47

earlier, and we ran around the hospital like we'd

7:49

won the Stanley Cuppers. I remember. And

7:53

my only point in this is that between getting

7:55

picked Up and now about fifteen or

7:57

sixteen episodes into it, and I can see

7:59

it in this episode as well discuss

8:02

but the ensemble is water tight.

8:05

Whether it meant going on a trip together or

8:07

getting picked up, people are starting

8:09

to vibe off each other. And it's as

8:11

clear as day when I was watching it. It's

8:13

just what Donald and Sarah

8:15

are doing. As you guys know,

8:17

I think the camera is an X ray machine and it sees

8:20

through all the bullshit and what

8:22

they're doing together, there's zero bullshit.

8:24

And what Zach is doing at the end with

8:27

Sarah in that in that on that

8:29

cot, there's no bullshit. It's

8:32

it's just tight and right. And

8:34

I just got a chill. It just it

8:36

really got me. You gave me a chill too,

8:38

because I gotta tell I didn't remember in

8:40

that scene with Sarah what happened. I didn't know if it

8:42

was going to turn romantic. I didn't know if I cried,

8:45

I couldn't remember, and I

8:47

was actually moved by the two of

8:49

us because nothing happens like I

8:51

agree, I agree, like

8:54

like you like would happen in real life. You

8:56

know in the movies, we'd kiss. In the movies,

8:58

I break down and cry. In real life

9:00

two friends might just sit there in silence for

9:02

a minute. And I just thought that was beautifully done.

9:05

I think it's the real privilege of friendship

9:07

when nothing does happen, so

9:10

that I don't have to demonstrate to you anything

9:12

and you don't have to demonstrate anything to me.

9:15

And real friendship is when stuff is allowed.

9:17

And it's a tricky verb to settle,

9:20

and you guys let it settle in front of the lens,

9:22

and as well discussed Will mackenzie,

9:25

he just let the scene play and the two actors

9:28

it's really lovely. And on a primetime

9:30

comedy, it's spectacular. It's

9:32

spectacular. Should

9:35

we start the show, Yeah, but we should have to show. But I think Johnny,

9:38

because of that beautiful prologue, should

9:40

should have the honor of counting us into

9:42

the song. Lee seven

9:45

eight, sorry about

9:47

show. We made about

9:50

a bunch of nurses around

10:00

here, so

10:09

I've been using this scrubs Wicky,

10:11

Johnny that that is scrubs I've

10:14

heard you referenced by the way you guys are killing

10:16

this podcast a lot of scrubs

10:18

wick scrubs Wiki is uh.

10:20

If you just put in um scrubs wicky

10:23

into into the Google machine, it

10:25

brings you up this um.

10:27

This thing that I guess multiple fans are.

10:29

One fan has curated. It's on a website

10:32

called fandom dot com. I guess it's a place where

10:34

where fans can collect trivia

10:37

and share stories. And you know, it's

10:39

a fan site. But someone, and I'm thinking

10:41

it might be one person, has put a

10:43

lot of work into this because every episode

10:45

it has the synopsis that has recurring themes,

10:47

it has guest stars, it has the famous

10:49

quotes, and it has trivia from each

10:51

episode. And today and I often referenced

10:54

it, and today I went to look at the trivia and the first

10:56

line of trivia it says, Hi Zack,

10:58

exclamation point, glad you're enjoying

11:01

scrubs Wicky. Have

11:03

me on the podcast question mark, have

11:05

Joel searched for my email? So

11:09

I've been discovered by the curator

11:11

of scrubs Wicky as a as an avid fan.

11:14

But I will have Joel seek

11:16

you out and I and I have to tell you've done

11:18

a fantastic job because it's very useful. I can

11:20

find out all sorts of of trivia,

11:23

Like Kelso mentions Baxter for

11:25

the very first time in this episode. There's

11:27

a lot of trivia in here. There's a lot of

11:29

interesting stuff. So I think Joel says she's gonna

11:32

track him down. And this felon

11:34

uh knows a lot about scrubs, so I

11:36

think it might be fun to have him all we can. We can try and stump

11:38

him. Well, let me get to you at at

11:41

at early on, at a minute or two in

11:43

you and Sarah in the batting cage, you Zach,

11:46

why am I at at the batting kids?

11:48

You know? Well, it's as Donald was,

11:51

Donald knows. No one says you don't even play

11:53

sports. There's no no one's ever said

11:55

that in the history of the English language. Which

11:58

is great writing. And you deliver like you really

12:00

know sports. But I mean you and Sarah

12:02

in there. You redeem yourself from

12:04

early on when you get bricks dropped

12:07

on your head and you anticipated it. You don't

12:09

anticipate the bean ball in this and

12:12

neither to Sarah. Yeah, well

12:14

I gotta tell you committed. Yeah, we

12:16

did. I did not flinch. I was not gonna let that happen

12:18

again, Johnny from that from happen

12:21

again, and and and it's hard to you know,

12:23

to anticipate, uh, to not

12:25

anticipate a softball being thrown at your head.

12:29

Well, you both did it, and as a result,

12:31

it's it's Charlie Chaplin funny.

12:33

But why is why is j D at the batting gage?

12:35

He's not even with turk like maybe one thing, one

12:37

thing, give you a good turk like turk made me come I'm alone

12:39

at the batting gages. Yeah, neither one of you played

12:42

sports, neither one of you playing baseball,

12:44

neither one of you in

12:47

real life too. But

12:50

I think Sarah, like in high school,

12:53

Sarah was like on the shot put

12:55

team. Yeah, who's on the shot

12:58

I've never heard Sarah talk about a

13:00

single sport, have you. She's a good

13:02

snowboard right, hyeah,

13:05

she's Canadian. I think that's a rule up there. You gotta be

13:07

able to ski or snowboard. But she,

13:09

um, she Yeah, I just didn't understand

13:12

that bit of writing. Mike Schwartz. We should say

13:14

he was the writer of this episode, along with as Johnny

13:16

mentioned, Will mackenzie, who is a

13:19

concredible director and directed Everybody's

13:21

a lot of people's favorite episode, the musical

13:23

episode. Will mackenzie is

13:25

famous on set for the

13:28

way he says actadim yeah and

13:30

and cut yeah do

13:33

it? Did you remember? Do you remember, Johnny? He

13:37

does, But he also does this. So he

13:39

was coming into the room, he

13:42

sums up the scene. He's like, okay, and here comes

13:45

Donald and he's mad about what carl And just did

13:47

and action and

13:52

I think he's he's directed a zillion

13:55

sitcoms to I mean, he was, he was,

13:57

you know, he's a legendary TV director.

13:59

He's I think he's retired, I imagine now,

14:01

but he uh is just a legend and

14:04

a pretty good tennis player apparently.

14:07

And that's yeah, that's what I heard. That's what you

14:09

heard. I heard. Will can make it. So

14:11

you're running around while he's standing in one place.

14:14

There were a lot of directors that when you showed

14:16

up on set on Monday morning, you saw

14:18

who it was and you just had a big old

14:20

smile on your face. And Will

14:22

mackenzie was always one of those guys for all

14:24

of us, we just would like he was like, you

14:26

know, he just just felt like a grandfather,

14:30

uh figure because he was an older guy,

14:32

but he had so much experience and

14:34

he had a big old smile on his face, and I just

14:37

I love that guy. Also in this

14:39

in this episode, some of the I don't

14:41

know how to say this, some of the peripheral characters,

14:43

whether it's Sammy, which I'll get to in a minute,

14:46

or Neil as a janitor

14:49

get to really shine. Yeah,

14:52

and and the janitor and uh, I guess

14:55

I think one oh three when he says girl

14:57

problems. Uh, and then

14:59

you say, and then Cox says, I'd

15:01

say they're a beak up and the button is at

15:04

least they're real laugh

15:06

out, I'm steal and Zachie's

15:08

laugh out loud. I did. I laughed

15:10

out loud at that man. And uh, you

15:12

know, because it's funny, because you

15:15

know, we keep working with Bill Johnny because he's

15:17

he's hanging on by his fingernails

15:19

to this old lord that the janitor

15:22

barely talked to anybody in season one

15:24

and and he was just still deciding

15:26

by the time he started season two if he was gonna make

15:28

the janitor solely a figment of Jad's

15:31

imagination. He

15:33

is and me

15:35

and and every episode the janitors

15:38

talking to a different and Donald and I.

15:40

Donald and I joked that we're like Detective is

15:42

being like, well, how would Bill possibly

15:44

rationalize this one? And

15:46

uh, you know again, Bill would say, well,

15:49

he's not interacting with Johnny. See, he just he

15:51

just if he's if he's a figure of Jad's imagination.

15:53

He hears what Cox says and just builds

15:55

on it, you know. But but also

15:58

I'm gonna keep circling back with this, you

16:00

could see. And in this case, it's just a simple,

16:03

clean scene. Donald and Zack

16:05

at two oh nine, when you take the phone call from

16:07

your mom and you find out about Mr Peters,

16:10

you two are just it's in carpentery.

16:12

It's called tongue and groove. You

16:15

guys are just effortless, and it

16:17

it sets up the whole scene. There's a ton

16:19

of narrow, expository

16:21

stuff in it, and it's

16:24

just effortless. And and

16:27

it's only because of what you guys have become

16:30

in those I guess seventeen or

16:32

eighteen weeks by then, Yeah, I

16:34

remember, well, I don't. I don't remember any of

16:36

this episode except for the handshake, and I had

16:39

no idea I even and

16:41

when we did the handshake, I had no clue what

16:43

Sarah and I like. I thought it was something that Sarah

16:45

and I made up on set and

16:47

it turned into something in

16:50

the scene. But I think we made it up

16:52

for the scene and it turned into something

16:54

that we did on set. Yeah, we saw this

16:56

handshake. Johnny and I had to

16:59

endure this handshake get longer and longer.

17:01

I think by the end of it. I think by the end of nine years,

17:03

it took them an hour and a half to do the handshake, and

17:05

that was to say hello to each other. During

17:09

during the Vietnam War, I found out it was called a dap

17:14

you adapt somebody, But wait now,

17:16

Donald, you don't remember if you guys were

17:18

just working around and made this up and then put it in the show,

17:20

or I think it came from

17:23

the handshake in the show. I think

17:25

our handshake, we made it

17:27

up for the show and then it

17:29

turned into something that we did all the time when

17:31

we saw each other. But that that, once again

17:34

is what I'm talking about. It's effortless.

17:37

It doesn't did you was complete

17:39

with totally long and and

17:41

then you guys throw it away and go right into

17:43

the scene and that that's later on. But it's

17:47

I was so struck by so many of these

17:49

vignettes completely

17:52

tongue and groove. Yeah, I agree,

17:54

man, and and and and

17:56

Donald. Did you make that up or did Sarah contribute?

17:59

Like it's pretty great some

18:01

of it. I made up a lot of it. I know I made up

18:03

because it's uh, it has it has

18:05

rhythm to it. That's why. Well there's that, and

18:07

then there's also yes,

18:12

there was it was also a like

18:15

what is it that remember how we were talking about

18:17

the color purple and miss when Celia

18:20

and her sister are broken up and we're doing

18:22

uh, patty

18:24

kake. So it

18:27

also has a little bit of that in it where

18:29

it's like where we slap each

18:31

other's hand. I don't know, man, all

18:33

I know is yeah, no, that thing was made up

18:36

for for this episode. And then

18:38

it turned into I like, I like what Johnny said too,

18:40

that you kind of go into this cell everything and then you just

18:42

kind of go into the scene like nothing happened.

18:44

It's just you just did a high five. I thought that, But

18:47

it's the same way. It's the same way, and I

18:50

feel like I'm maybe it sounds like I'm

18:52

blown too much smoke up your guy's asses, but I'll

18:54

take it. We'll take it. I'm like Donald, I don't remember

18:56

any of the stuff, so then I want to go back and watch it. I'm

19:00

I'm sincerely struck by different

19:02

things. And in this episode, unlike

19:04

the last one we we watched together,

19:07

I wasn't struck by as many things other than the

19:09

circumstances that were occurring outside

19:11

of scrubs. In this I was really

19:14

struck by what was happening in front of the lens

19:16

and what the writers did. And then

19:18

in three minutes there's this great walking talk between

19:21

Zachie and Cox, and the writers

19:23

let Cox be this fierce,

19:25

fierce patient advocate and

19:29

it grounds him in a way that's it's

19:31

just genius because it gives him license to then

19:33

go do what he's about to go do, which

19:36

is destroy a lab. Now,

19:38

this is the first time we really see Cox

19:41

have this raw motion. Johnny.

19:43

I think that you know, we had seen him

19:45

be upset. There's the episode where

19:47

he's where he's just saying, j D,

19:49

you need to have a life. I have no life. But

19:52

this is, you know, the first time we see

19:54

how much pain this man has and

19:56

how dedicated he is to

19:59

his profession. So I just talked a

20:01

bit about that, and and of course destroying

20:03

this lab. Pepper

20:05

in the background with Charles Charles

20:08

Pappard our steadicam operators back is

20:10

the one of the lab text. But I mean, do

20:13

you remember that day trashing that lab?

20:15

That must have been cathartic. I do, and I had

20:17

I had been um lucky

20:19

enough in and

20:22

lucky is in italics to

20:24

have been with Michael Caine,

20:27

your actor in in your lovely movie.

20:29

Uh up in Valdis, Alaska,

20:32

and uh with Steven Seagal directing

20:35

an epic movie for Warner Brothers called

20:37

On Deadly Ground. Stephen was um,

20:40

and I got to destroy a

20:42

house and uh,

20:45

halfway through it, I find a petrified walrus

20:47

penis, which is called an and

20:49

so down you're

20:52

gonna not like you can't rush you you

20:54

can't the listeners that the listeners have

20:56

questions, how

20:59

did you find a Don't worry, We're gonna

21:01

get back to destroying the lab. Everybody. How did

21:03

you How did you know that it was a petrified

21:05

Walrus peanut. I asked, there's this

21:08

long fallust and I asked the production

21:10

designer, I said, what's this and he goes,

21:12

well, it's a petrified waters penis. And he said, god,

21:15

oh money, just call action and get on my eyeline.

21:19

If you don't think that's coming in the frame, you're

21:22

out of your mind. Look

21:24

out, everybody. And

21:26

so I what my takeaway

21:28

from destroying the house, um,

21:31

just destroying it? Uh,

21:33

was go slow. If you destroy

21:35

a house or a lab too fast,

21:38

the camera doesn't get it. It's just like as

21:40

Donald definitely knows, either taking or throwing

21:42

a punch in front of the lens. If you go too

21:44

fast, the camera doesn't see it. Yeah, and it's

21:47

the same same with destroying

21:49

a room. You gotta go slow. And

21:51

it's funny Billy uh who

21:54

or will ramped it up to high

21:56

speed for the throw through the window, because

21:59

otherwise that stuff happens too fast and

22:02

you don't get it. And I'm sure

22:04

Zac as a filmmaker, you know, unless

22:07

you cover a fight or destroying something

22:10

pretty meticulously, the

22:12

lens misses it. And so my only thought

22:15

in destroying that lab was take

22:17

your time. Yeah. Well, when I watched

22:19

that. I was like, how much trouble would

22:22

dr coxby and if he were to do that, and

22:24

how much money did he just throw

22:26

out the window by doing all of

22:28

that? And I was thinking the same thing. I

22:31

thought the same thing too. I thought like, did they have some

22:33

system or no one's gonna tell Kelso, because

22:37

I mean, Carl it implies that he freaks

22:39

out at least once a year, right, And I was like,

22:41

does everyone sort of protect him,

22:43

um, because you know, in the real world

22:46

of a hospital, he'd be in a phenomenal

22:48

amount of trouble for this. Yeah,

22:50

I I couldn't

22:53

that. That was the first thing I thought. And then I thought

22:55

when Carla said he does this once a year, I

22:58

was like, holy shit, Cox

23:00

is you know, it's clear that he's in

23:02

pain, but he's in like a lot of pain, and

23:05

to build it up to be able to just damage

23:07

thousands of dollars of equipment, you

23:10

know what I mean? You have to really you have to really

23:13

be on that level of fucking. I'm I don't

23:15

care anymore. I just I just clearly

23:18

doesn't care care anymore. But they also really

23:20

need Cox, you know, Cox. Everybody

23:22

needs Cox. You're absolutely right. Well, look

23:24

what you just said, Donald, that was that came

23:26

out a little different. Then

23:31

I'm gonna I'm gonna that's gonna be my new ring

23:33

tone, Donald yelling everybody needs

23:36

Cox in

23:42

the hospital, in the hospital,

23:45

the character. And

23:47

then and then at four thirty nine,

23:50

we get to see the janitor do

23:52

medical jargon. Yeah

23:54

and it Yeah. Remember

23:57

you know the Neil audition for your part. You know that

23:59

trivia Johnny of course, But

24:02

I mean, he's such a spectacular actor, but I've

24:04

never seen him do. You gotta remember all medical

24:07

jargon is Latin based, so

24:09

when you really get into it, you're just

24:11

talking Latin. And so for the janitor

24:13

just to peel out some Latin. Question

24:15

me, by the way, I wondered. When I wondered if I

24:18

think that might be the only time the janitors

24:20

ever in our apartment, I was going to ask that we

24:23

should ask Bill if he remembers

24:25

putting the janitor in the apartment at any

24:27

point. Okay, Donald

24:29

has pulled the lever for an ask Bill, Joel,

24:32

Bill, you're not gonna remember I

24:34

bet the guy on Wicky Scrubs knows better

24:36

than you, But we're gonna ask you. By

24:39

the way, you know we should do. We should also, Joel, that's

24:41

what we should do with that guy. We should have an asked Bill

24:43

Button, but we should haven't also asked

24:46

the Scrubs wicky because

24:48

that he he knows he's the keeper of the trivia

24:50

more than Bill. Bill is gonna be like, I don't know, I five

24:53

eight and uh

24:55

Bill, Bill has found his his what

24:57

you're talking about? Willis Johnny. He he's

25:00

found his catchphrase. So now he just says

25:02

and the fans think it's hilarious. He just he

25:05

starts the theme song and Donald and I have to

25:07

stop the damn thing. So

25:09

um, Anyway, Joel, when

25:11

we talk to that guy, when we find him, let's ask

25:14

him if he can, we can ask him as Scrubs tribute.

25:16

But for now, since we only have Bill, Bill,

25:18

do you think this is the only time that the janitor

25:21

is ever in our apartment? Even though it's

25:23

a fantasy, Neil, I'm going buy

25:25

memory here, guys, But Neil Flynn was

25:28

in Turk and j D's

25:30

apartment. Uh, when

25:32

there's a fantasy about him being a doctor, and

25:35

I believe he returns to

25:37

try and fix their air

25:40

conditioning or pipes or something.

25:43

Um, in a later season, but I think he was only

25:45

there twice, uh,

25:49

except once I think he was

25:51

implied that he was there a third time that he and

25:53

Dr Cox moved j D's

25:55

bed somewhere and they did it together,

25:58

Thank you, Bill. And

26:01

and once again at five forty nine

26:03

when when Kenny and when

26:05

Kelso and and Uh and

26:08

Jude are together, they're butter.

26:11

They're total butter. They're

26:13

butter. Now how about Judy, Um, they're

26:15

they're they're great. How about Judy? So it's for first

26:17

Judy. I noticed, because this is funny tracking when

26:20

we shot this in two thousand one that

26:23

Judy says, I gotta get a tape deck, which

26:25

I thought was funny. And then and then

26:27

when she brings in and it's actually a CD player.

26:31

This is funny even now if you realize

26:33

that you're you're definitely pretty good show,

26:35

dude. That's very good. Because I did not pick

26:37

up on that. Well, I I caught her. I caught her

26:40

saying tape deck, and then my brain went, there's

26:42

no way it was cassettes. I remember it was at least

26:44

c D s and uh

26:46

and then and I guess that was just still

26:49

I'm imagining in two thousand one, we were still

26:51

using the expression tape dep like I'll get a tape

26:53

deck and I have a I have a question

26:55

for you. On the heels of that, when

26:57

Kenny says, like Motley, Crewe and

27:00

Winger, my son's a bit of a headbanger.

27:03

First of all, the crushed me. And second of all,

27:05

is that the first time, first of many

27:08

when he refers to his son, who

27:10

turns out is just a cavalcade

27:12

of eccentricity. A

27:15

cavalcade of eccentricities is a great

27:17

title for a screenplay, but um,

27:21

that is funny the scrubs. Wicky

27:23

said, it's the first time he mentioned bactor. I

27:25

don't know if it's the first time his son comes up, but

27:27

this might be the first time his son comes up

27:29

in terms of being a cavalcade of

27:31

eccentricities. His

27:35

son, it turns out it's

27:37

the single most tortured person on the planet

27:39

I know. And we never got to meet him, and we never

27:42

met his wife. I think it was It's so

27:44

much better. It's so much better. It was

27:46

all I remember remember on Cheers when you never

27:48

saw no

27:51

I think it was Norm's wife Vera. We

27:53

never saw I'll give me the

27:55

thumbs up, and I right, Joel, Wow, Well, well

27:58

we'll play Jackie Zack the bartender

28:00

would always alley youp him see

28:02

I bet sports reference, and

28:05

and then he'd he'd have a one liner and

28:07

and dunk it if you blew. I blew the one

28:09

liner because I didn't remember it. Vera does make

28:11

an appearance on Cheers, though, I guess. And

28:13

then well, I want, well, Joel, did you go on the Cheers

28:16

Wicky and find out that Vera does make

28:18

an appearance on the Thanksgiving Day as

28:20

you guys, As you guys have done so

28:23

wonderfully. I I do wanna

28:26

look at Sammy for a second. Who uh

28:29

is astonishing? This

28:32

really is probably this probably is, I

28:35

hate to say it, but probably

28:37

his first real I mean, other than one liners.

28:39

This is the first episode where Sammy really

28:42

shined. And even

28:44

even when he and he and Jude

28:46

together are are completely

28:49

money. Did you guys get goose bumps when they sang

28:51

together? Yes, But

28:53

the first time we see Sammy he

28:56

does this thing with his hand where

28:58

he puts it way in the back of his

29:00

skull. Donald,

29:02

My tricepts are too big to even do

29:04

that. Get

29:07

your arms arms, to

29:09

you, to you listeners out there, I

29:11

want you to know this guy is still fucking

29:14

ripped. He's got bigger biceps than

29:16

than anyone I I know. I think,

29:19

are you still doing a lot of paddle surfing? Yeah?

29:21

Every day, every day you paddle

29:23

surf, Johnny,

29:27

Johnny, you are something. You got

29:29

Mr Miyagi body where it's like you're doing

29:32

you know active, you know, everything

29:35

is for a purpose. I wrote,

29:38

I wrote a

29:40

board in the ocean. I'm using my

29:43

hands to build. I thought you were saying.

29:45

I thought you were saying he had the body of Pat Merita.

29:47

And I was like, no, he does not, no, no,

29:49

no, no, no no no. But when wax on

29:51

wax off. The first time we see

29:54

Sammy, he's got that hand over his head.

29:56

And then the button on the scene with Judy

29:59

is he is careful. I've been hurt

30:01

before. Dropped

30:03

me, drop me. He loves

30:05

Judy, he loves Carla, he loves she hugs

30:08

him and he's like, don't let go. And

30:10

for these and and well that's later

30:12

on. And for those who don't know a sides,

30:15

when you keep an a side that real, it's

30:18

almost impossible because if

30:20

you don't do it right. You come off as a crazy

30:22

person because you're talking to yourself, and

30:25

Sammy does it with careful I've been hurt

30:27

before. And then when he and Judy

30:29

get back together later on, he has too

30:31

that are genius. He says,

30:34

she knows, she knows your name,

30:37

he says to himself, and then

30:39

he says, don't let go and

30:43

dropped me. And I can't tell you how

30:46

hard that is. Yeah, he has one more when

30:48

he's like, I love you and she turns around to like what,

30:51

and he goes right back to the song. Yeah,

30:54

but that song you got, I mean, we're jumping all

30:56

over the place, but that song moment was

30:58

so beautiful, and I freak got im. I apologize

31:01

to the universe that I forgot how pretty Judy's

31:04

voice is. Me too, and

31:06

she slays and it's beautiful.

31:09

And their harmonies, I mean, Sammy, we knew

31:11

because sam was an amazing singer.

31:13

And it wasn't an acapella group, but the two of them

31:15

together, their harmonies were I got goose bumps

31:17

all over my body. Now

31:19

let me ask you something zacky,

31:22

and I could see you, I could see you ringing

31:24

this one out as hard as you could was

31:27

just Billy or you on Baker's

31:30

beakos, it's probably me. You're

31:33

you're ringing everything. I

31:35

know. There's certain is, there's certain words.

31:38

They're just funny becos. I

31:41

I think I think it

31:43

was probably not in the script because that

31:45

wouldn't probably been funny on the page. But I was probably

31:47

just riffing like words that sounded

31:50

funny. And we should say it's the first

31:52

appearance of Franklin played by massioca

31:55

Oh before he went on to be Time

31:59

traveling Star Heroes, right,

32:01

he was the star of the show Heroes, and

32:04

uh, I think this was his first juicy

32:07

gig. He recurred as Franklin for

32:10

a while. He's very he's very good. Yeah,

32:12

he was funny, hugging is hugging his favorite

32:14

microscope so that you didn't destroy it. And

32:18

then and then at eight minutes, we go to what I

32:20

referenced earlier is Sarah and Donald

32:23

and it's it's what I started this whole thing

32:25

off with with. However, this ensemble jelled,

32:29

whether it was just time or traveling together

32:31

and getting into it. You

32:34

guys are effortless, all right, But let's

32:36

go a little bit back. Johnny, you're going too fast. First

32:38

of all, oh, dear lord, please tell

32:40

me that's not a onesie. And

32:45

now Dr Cox says, first of all,

32:47

I'm wearing a onesie, which I love

32:49

a onesie. I don't wear a onesie, it's a bed.

32:52

But man, when I have a onesie on, do I love

32:54

a onesie? And I guess J D

32:56

really loved one because he wears

32:58

it to the bar we view and then and

33:00

then Cox pulls over the two ladies to flirt.

33:03

Okay, before you go past what I but

33:05

that's that's I know,

33:09

I'm I'm, I'm, I'm the ones He occurs at

33:11

seven oh six, not

33:14

but go ahead, Donald? Uh

33:16

minty? First of all, what

33:18

were you all drinking in your shots? If that was minty?

33:21

No, the the toothbrush was minty

33:24

still from the after you dipped it into

33:27

I don't know, it doesn't track. I guess you're right because

33:29

the toothpaste would have been off of it. But

33:32

because and then right after that, yuck yuck yu.

33:35

Yeah, you know what I was thinking of. Do

33:37

you remember do you remember I don't know if you remember

33:39

this, Donald, but don Johnny, you definitely remember Easy

33:41

Rider? When uh? When ever? Nicholson

33:44

would do a shot, he would

33:47

he would just say a random word because

33:49

the shot was so bad and easy rider. He do the shot

33:51

and he goes, but he would

33:53

say like a random word that would like help

33:56

him recover from how bad the shot was.

33:58

And that's that's what I was thinking when I

34:00

when I when I did it, I was like, yeah, trying

34:05

so hard to be manly in front of Cox,

34:08

but I'm in a onesie with a toothbrush.

34:10

That was funny when you go yucky and then the writers give

34:13

Cox, uh, oh great, I'm drinking

34:15

with the mouse. Like

34:18

I said, I didn't remember this episode at all, so I

34:20

never knew that you guys had a wingman

34:24

uh situation going on the two

34:26

of you. What happened? I know that

34:28

one girl blows it because she's talking about her

34:31

ex boyfriend. What happened to the girl

34:33

you were talking to? I don't think Cox has

34:36

gives a flying funk about He's

34:38

just like here if this If Cox is like

34:41

here you want you want a reason to stay here and talk to these

34:43

girls, I'm gonna gonna I'm gonna go. And

34:45

then j D is like Okay, now you're talking and he

34:48

tries to hit on that one woman, but she's

34:50

just you know, rambling and rambling and rambling.

34:52

The hangman's nose is yeah,

34:55

it's kind of it's kind of stolen from airplane though,

34:58

um it doesn't matter, no, but he remembers

35:00

airplane. It's absolutely hilarious.

35:03

I know, because we're dinosaurs.

35:07

No, but I think there's a scene in a moment an airplane

35:09

when someone's doing a long speech about

35:11

their past and and you you you cut

35:14

back and the passenger next to him has

35:16

hung himself on he's swinging. Anyway.

35:20

I think it's really interesting. After the two girls

35:22

leave and j D and Cox are

35:24

alone, I don't remember Cox

35:26

being that broken. Actually,

35:29

I was going to say, he's so broken, dude,

35:31

he's so broken. Well, it's like once

35:33

a year, he you know, Carlo says, like

35:35

once a year he pretty much has a breakdown. And

35:38

I went back and I went back. As I

35:40

told you guys, I keep composition books and

35:43

it's kind of how I learned my lines. And

35:45

in the margins I wrote notes to myself,

35:47

and in that I the first thing gig

35:50

I'll digress for a second. The first gig I gotta

35:52

get an n y U was to understudy

35:55

John Taturo in Danny in the Deep Blue Sea

35:57

and over its Circle Rep, which was

36:00

maybe I lived on Sullivan Street

36:02

and Circle was on Bleaker, so it was

36:04

maybe a half a block from my house, and

36:06

I understudied John and I was the assistant stage

36:08

manager, so I helped call the lights and I made

36:10

up the actors. But I had keys to the theater.

36:13

And because it's just a two hand er two hand I mean

36:15

just two actors on stage. It

36:17

was June Stein and John, and John

36:19

went to do Desperately Seeking Susan. After

36:22

about eight months, he wouldn't. He wouldn't. It's eight

36:24

shows a week off Broadway and he wouldn't

36:26

go down. It's a very violent play. And

36:28

so I had the keys to the theater. So every

36:30

day I would walk and do

36:33

circles on the stage because I had the keys,

36:35

and I would do both actors parts out

36:37

loud a couple of times a day. And this was

36:39

all fear based, and you're you're

36:42

afraid, Johnny. You were afraid that you might have

36:44

to go on and you didn't want it. I was

36:46

scared to death, and uh,

36:49

John finally went to go do Desperately Seeking

36:51

Susan and which every

36:53

actor in New York wanted to be in, and so I got

36:55

to take over for him for about

36:57

a week. And there's a line

37:00

that Danny has at the end of the play

37:02

where he says everything hurts. And I worked

37:05

backwards in that play from everything hurts

37:07

and and and what that must mean

37:10

for someone to actually say that that everything hurts.

37:13

And I gave it to Cox in this

37:15

that when we see him, there's that long

37:17

profile shot of Cox that Will

37:19

stays on it and everything

37:22

hurts and it resonates

37:24

and it's not nothing said, it's underneath

37:27

and ZACKI so lovely in the scene, but

37:29

I just think the guy's broken. Yeah,

37:32

And he's so he's so incredibly

37:34

committed to this job,

37:37

which is endlessly frustrating for

37:39

him, not only what would be normal

37:41

dealing with so much death and pain, but

37:44

that this hospital, this this hospital

37:46

that's it seems is barely

37:49

surviving, um with with

37:51

with with its finances. And

37:54

he opens the episode walking around and I noticed

37:56

that Will made sure that the ceiling panels were all

37:58

fucked up. I don't know if you noticed that, but when

38:00

you're when you're looking around me, like everything is here is

38:02

fucking broken. I'm so sick of it. And in

38:04

that in that very walk and talk moment, you're seeing

38:06

like the ceilings all fucked up, and

38:09

and he's just just so

38:11

frustrated, I imagine with trying

38:13

to save lives with no with

38:15

no support, with no gear like so many

38:17

by the way, like so many doctors and nurses

38:20

and people must be feeling now with

38:22

with the lack of of of ppe they

38:25

had with with COVID. I

38:27

think it's really interested at what you were just referencing

38:29

that the writers don't even have Cox

38:32

reference it as the

38:34

hospital or or the name of the hospital. He

38:37

he just calls it that place. He

38:39

can't even he doesn't even want it in his mouth, and

38:41

he says, I can't I can't go back to that place.

38:44

Yeah, And then j D at least

38:46

feels like, wow, he I don't know what

38:48

to do. He broke down what are we gonna

38:50

do? And Carl was like, oh no, he just does that once a year.

38:52

I'll be fine today. And I'm like, there's no way he's

38:55

going to be fine. And you come in like, hey,

38:58

what it's going to be a good today. I

39:03

still I stole that from a brother of my

39:05

brother's friendship humph for you lives in Atlanta

39:07

now. He used to always go around and go it's

39:10

a great day. I

39:13

put that one rap in my back pocket. You

39:15

were so funny. All right, Wait, yes,

39:18

we're gonna take a break. We always forget because

39:20

we're having so much fun. We'll be right back.

39:33

See, Donald, you're giving the people what they want,

39:35

which is the m they asked

39:37

for it, so I might as well give it to a man.

39:39

A lot of chatter, a lot of chatter on We

39:41

got to just digress for a moment. So much

39:44

chatter on Instagram about about

39:46

the wash cloth conversation. Well,

39:48

that was a conversation. That was the real deal. Johnny,

39:51

did you do you use a washcloth in the shower? We

39:53

need to know what My wife wanted to make

39:55

sure that before we get into Johnny using the washcloth.

39:57

She wanted you guys all to know that you

40:00

are supposed to get rid of the wash cloth

40:03

after at that one

40:05

time period.

40:07

But you don't. I do your

40:11

what you do? You do it? Your wife was

40:13

like, you better fucking tell them we change the warm cloth.

40:17

There are too many people listen to this podcast.

40:19

Donald, you put it, tell them we change the war

40:21

cloth. I'm telling you right and I'm telling you

40:23

right now. If we change the wash cloth,

40:26

baby to every I

40:28

told everybody baby taking care of It's

40:30

not like she listens to the show anyway. If you want,

40:32

we can have Dan go back and re edit that

40:35

that sentence into the original wash cloth to

40:37

be Jesus,

40:40

that was funny. Well, I just want you to know that, you

40:42

know, in one in that episode, we we're talking

40:44

about both what kind of merch we should

40:46

have and the wash cloth to be. And so now my

40:48

whole Instagram fee was like, how about merch that

40:50

says team washcloth on a wash cloth?

40:57

I love it so

40:59

some And he said and that look,

41:01

man, if man, if

41:04

you know me, this is how I am.

41:07

But listen, I accumulate

41:09

a lot of spit in my mouth when I talk,

41:11

so so sometimes I might when

41:14

I'm talking. Listen,

41:17

asshole, That's how I talk.

41:19

All right, accept it. I just did

41:22

it again, And if you got a problem with

41:24

it, you can kiss my ask all

41:26

right? Because of

41:28

course, for for Avid lisztards begs

41:31

the question which instructor did Donald

41:34

yes? Because he just went into aggressive

41:37

guy a right, Johnny good call. You know,

41:39

when I need to protect how I sound

41:41

on this thing. Everybody had a problem with me saying you

41:43

know what I mean, And now somebody's talking

41:45

about the way I slurp when I'm done sentences,

41:51

by the way slurp by the way.

41:53

You know they have those fancy spit cards

41:55

for the mic. We could get you, right, Dan, we can. You

41:57

know, it's like a little circle that goes in front of the mic,

41:59

so you have to be spinning all cuse I don't

42:01

need to do any of it. All right, Well, why don't you reach behind

42:04

you and dab your mouth with some sweatpants

42:08

you fuck

42:17

um? Well, anyway, it's just fun to see that

42:19

so many people are engaging, and we

42:22

love to hear from you, especially when it's uh

42:24

debating things. We're debating here because I love seeing

42:27

people weighing in and be like, I'm team washcloth

42:29

and I'm from the South. I was about to say, right

42:31

right, Well, a lot of white people

42:33

that got on the on the thing like,

42:35

yo, I do use a

42:37

washcloth, but I am from the South. And

42:40

then some women rember what me Like, Zach, you can

42:42

put a loof of between your cheeks. You just have to make

42:44

sure you wash it there washable, and I'm not.

42:47

I'm still not gonna put a scratchy

42:49

loo loofa between my cheeks. Johnny,

42:51

are you team washcloth or team no

42:53

washcloth? It's funny. I use

42:55

wash cloths at hotels, but

42:58

not at home. But not at home, but I

43:00

just surf, I just I just there's a shower I put

43:02

in outside the building, and I just shower

43:05

out there. And so no, there's no wash cloths up.

43:08

But in hotels you use the wash

43:10

cloth. You know why he does. You know why he

43:12

does because he doesn't have to worry about cleaning that fucking

43:14

pooh pooh stain up that

43:18

That also is a problem for me. I

43:20

have a problem with a poosh staining story. Now

43:22

why why dude, they're rehashing

43:24

some ship right now? No, pun intender, Do you have hold

43:28

on? Do you have itchy? But all the time? No,

43:31

you still don't understand what I'm saying. There's no way

43:33

I do understand what you're saying. I don't

43:35

have pooh. If I were to swipe the washcloth

43:38

down the outside of my balloon,

43:40

knot, there'd be no pooh on it. But if

43:43

I were to dig a quarter inch,

43:46

there'd be some remnants. Why are you

43:48

digging in your ass? Because

43:50

that's what I feel. The purpose of the wash cloth

43:52

is I have a washcloth as my interface

43:55

between me and my rectum, and I can

43:57

dig a little. I can be aggressive. Check

44:00

my proson date while I'm in there. Do you guys not

44:02

have the magic toilet seat that does the spray?

44:05

I wish I had to day. I'm gonna get you one

44:07

of those. It's a seat,

44:09

a seat, it's not even a day. It's the most genius

44:11

thing on the planet. Yeah, we got him. We got

44:14

him at the Design Center. It's some invited

44:16

events that yeah. Yeah, it just blasts a little.

44:18

It's like a it's like a water pick for your ainus,

44:21

the single greatest gift on the planet. It's lovely, Donald,

44:23

I'm gonna get you one for Hanaka can't wait.

44:26

Well, what you have to get him with

44:28

with is you also get a contractor to

44:31

extend a water outlet and electricity to Well

44:33

that's not coming with my han Well, maybe that'll be the second

44:35

night. The first night will be the water pick for your rainus.

44:37

Second night contractor, could

44:45

we could we get back to welcome

44:48

back, Welcome back, john Johnny,

44:51

Johnny. This is what happens, by

44:54

the way, when you're into you guys, when you're here,

44:57

we can I love the Johnny's already here being

44:59

like, can we get to the episode? Which is what I'm

45:01

the one. I'm the one who's always saying that we tried

45:03

to digress several times, and Johnny's

45:05

like, but you know when yeah, so

45:08

too. I wanted it. Yeah

45:10

all right, I thought two.

45:13

Um, I thought Billy

45:15

Billy likes to take a swipe at Zackie every once

45:17

in a while. He always has, and

45:20

and he Laverne says, you

45:22

think so with those ears, and

45:25

it's just and it's just Zachie goes totally

45:28

uncalled for. So U I must have done

45:30

something that week that he wanted to take me down. And I've

45:34

never really had my ears dissed before. I mean,

45:36

obviously, I have a large nose, and

45:38

I'm I'm used, you know, anytime a caricature

45:41

artist would draw me, it would be like nine nose,

45:44

So I'm used to that. Um, but I never

45:47

really had my ears diss before before

45:49

Nurse Roberts went after them. Yeah,

45:52

she and she took she took no small

45:54

amount of pleasure in doing it too. Red

45:56

Dawn. I've never seen Red Dawn. I don't

45:58

know anything about Red kidding me right now, you've

46:00

never seen Red Dawn,

46:02

did you audition? I

46:05

wouldn't. I wouldn't up to that speed. Yet.

46:08

Well there's a part in that. Well you're probably you're probably

46:10

way too young. I have no idea what Wolverines

46:12

means, like, please tell us. Okay, So, uh,

46:15

the Russians in Red Dawn attack

46:19

America. Yeah, Colorado. The Trivia

46:22

our trivia friends says there's a mistake in the episode.

46:24

One of you guys says, Michigan, but it's

46:26

actually Colorado because the Michigan

46:28

because the Michigan Michigan or the Wolverines.

46:31

The vileged Team Michigan are the Wolverines.

46:33

But it actually takes place in Colorado, you right, And

46:36

they attack and kids,

46:38

students are the rebellion.

46:41

They wind up being like all the adults are

46:43

gathered and put into concentration

46:45

camps. And yeah,

46:47

see Thomas Howell, Charlie

46:50

Sheen, Uh, I

46:53

mean they tried to they tried

46:55

to remake it and stuff like that. The action is amazing.

46:58

Who who's the older brother, Oh

47:00

my gosh, Ghost, Patrick Patrick

47:02

Crazy, Patrick Swayze. Just

47:05

so many people are in it. Uh.

47:07

This is the first movie that Jennifer Gray and Patrick Swayze

47:09

did together. This is before Dirty Dancing and

47:12

Leah Thompson. Leah Thompson's in it all. Also

47:15

a lot of people wudn't want to do

47:19

It makes me think of another before you explain

47:21

that more um Taps. We were talking about

47:23

Taps Theater. Do you guys remember a

47:26

lot of Valley Valley

47:28

Forge Military Academy. Yeah, and a lot of amazing

47:31

actors. It was their first big

47:33

thing, Sean and

47:35

Tom Cruise. Yeah. But

47:37

anyway, go back to the plot of Lorine, and so the

47:40

kids fight back, the kids and the and the

47:42

school that the kids they're all

47:44

like on the football team and stuff like that. And

47:46

the football team of the school is called

47:48

the Wolverines. And so when they're when

47:51

they're in the fight with the

47:53

Russians, their victory cry

47:56

is Wolverines. Their battle cry is Wolverines.

47:59

Like you know, g I Joe was Yo

48:01

Joe, There's was Wolverines.

48:05

Okay, got it? And in the world

48:07

of Scrubs, Elliott knows this movie. I don't

48:09

believe it, but I believe I believe,

48:12

I believe Turk knows that. I don't believe that Turke

48:14

would know it, so therefore j D would know it. Right.

48:16

But Elliott walks in like, oh, I forget

48:18

the homework assignment, let's watch Red Dawn. I'm

48:20

like, come on, buddy, Yeah,

48:22

but it's also great again. You

48:25

guys both throw the gesture away, and it's great

48:27

when Zackie comes in and goes, you know, wolverines,

48:29

and he just throws it away and Sarah does too, and

48:31

it's great. You know, when I was first watching this episode,

48:34

before I got through it, I was like, what a dick Turkey

48:36

is for inviting my newly ex

48:39

girlfriend over to do a homework

48:41

assignment at the fucking living

48:43

room table. But he knew what happened.

48:46

Yeah, But then yeah,

48:49

there's a great thing later on at

48:51

ten forty five that Donald

48:54

does this great thing where Sarah goes, you

48:56

and I can still hang out and Donald

48:58

goes, no, he's my best friend. Either

49:00

you fix it or and then there's an ellipsus.

49:03

And for all of this who have had divorced

49:06

UH friends or or friends

49:08

who have broken up, it's the way Donald

49:11

lays it out. You can't have both.

49:13

It's just it's never you gotta be friends with

49:15

either or the wife. It

49:17

doesn't you can't have both. It doesn't

49:19

work. People always choose a side, don't

49:22

they. You have to Yeah,

49:25

yeah, there's no one in between. You can't stay in between.

49:27

You can't be like, she's my friend and you're

49:29

my friend. Right right? I

49:31

got it? Now now now when? So

49:34

what we learned is that Turk did it in

49:36

order to try and

49:39

get them to be friends again. Right,

49:41

well, I think his intentions are really

49:43

good, but it's so raw. I mean, it's still so

49:46

new, this breakup. You know, It's like, but

49:48

you guys are running to each running into

49:50

each other. Elliott and j D

49:52

are running into each other every day at

49:54

work, and there's all

49:57

of this animosity towards each other.

49:59

It's how the show will opens up. I felt sad about

50:01

it, you know, I I have to say,

50:03

I guess I'm These old

50:05

feelings of being so invested in these characters

50:07

came up, and of course I'm sure, um,

50:10

you know, memories of times in my own life

50:12

of of this stage of a of a relationship,

50:15

and I don't know, I was so invested that I

50:17

genuinely was feeling sad

50:20

for these two characters and how they clearly

50:22

love each other so much, and as we learned

50:24

in the series, they ultimately choose each

50:26

other. But but oh, that awkwardness

50:29

of of of you know, of

50:31

trying to be friends and having mutual friends

50:33

and working together. I mean, what a nightmare.

50:36

Yeah, but what you just said pays off in the final

50:39

before you guys go up on the roof and throw watermelons.

50:41

When you guys are on that cot, you're

50:44

Zachie. Your truth is

50:47

that you It made you genuinely sad

50:49

and it resonates.

50:51

It absolutely jumps into

50:54

the lens and it resonates, and it's

50:56

so lovely. I think I had not much

50:58

There's nothing Tom instrictive, there's

51:01

nothing showy. It's just this guy

51:03

sad and sad sucks. Sometimes. I

51:05

think that was easy to play because it was

51:07

real, and I think I had so much

51:09

love for Sarah and um, I

51:11

just you know, I could just play

51:14

in my in my heart that we weren't

51:16

going to be friends anymore, and it was just easy

51:18

to tap into, you know, it

51:21

should it showed. It was very

51:23

good. I really, you know,

51:25

when in the beginning of the episode when

51:28

he said when j D says my teacher

51:30

died, I was like, oh, this is this

51:32

is going to be the problem of the episode. And

51:34

then when you know, Johnny, when Cox

51:37

goes into this rent, I was like, no, this is

51:39

the problem of the episode. And then how you

51:41

bring it full circle? It's always brought back to

51:43

one right and with our show. So

51:45

at the end of it all, you remind him,

51:48

didn't you tell me about your teacher that

51:50

you know just passed away. How are you gonna deal

51:52

with that? Because I I know

51:54

you're trying to hide it. What did you do when? What

51:56

did you do when you found out your teacher died?

51:59

Oh? Us right, you made a joke that ship

52:02

stings inside and if you hold onto

52:04

it, and if you don't have an outlet, you wind up

52:06

doing what I did. You know what I mean. And there's

52:09

not a bunch of people at this hospital that are going to protect

52:11

you the way they protect me. That's

52:13

that's the honest and goodness truth. Get

52:15

this ship out, you know, well said I believe

52:17

that too. I mean I feel like I do that in

52:19

life. I try and dissipate

52:22

the emotion by making a joke and

52:25

then you're all, you know, which is fine, it's a

52:27

coping mechanism. But then you're you're letting

52:29

that ship fester and build up. And

52:31

then Johnny and Cox is saying, like, look

52:34

what happens if you let it build for three hundred

52:36

and sixty four days, You fucking destroy

52:38

Franklin's lab. And I

52:41

wrote, I wrote, I wrote in my notebook

52:43

because I've had about a twenty year,

52:46

ongoing, twenty year art

52:48

crush on a Welsh poet named

52:50

Dylan Thomas. And I didn't

52:52

have the spine to go down to the writer's

52:54

room and ask Billy if I could put

52:57

this in, But I did put it in the margins

52:59

the poem him that do not go gently into

53:01

that good night rage, rage against the dying of

53:03

the light and that informs everything

53:06

I'm telling Zackie in that scene, that you don't

53:09

go gently into the good night rage, rage,

53:12

rage against the dying of the light

53:14

fall. And I wanted to say

53:16

it to Zackie so bad, but it was a little

53:18

too esoteric. And but it's

53:20

underneath, because it was underneath

53:22

your whole performance, it floats it.

53:25

And if you can get Dylan Thomas to float

53:27

something underneath what you're doing. Again,

53:30

you're not lying, you're telling your truth. I

53:33

really like that you do that, John, the

53:35

the putting, putting

53:38

thoughts and inspiration in the margins

53:40

um and letting that sort of exist

53:43

underneath the scene. I think that's really

53:45

a smart technique.

53:48

It's completely selfish and self serving. It helps

53:50

me. I always find that if

53:52

you can, since we're lying in front

53:54

of the lens, everything, most of it's a lie.

53:57

In other words, I'm not Dr Cox, I'm not I'm

53:59

not the guy. I'm not Sarge Oeil and Platoon. I'm

54:03

not. I'm not I'm some guy. I'm just

54:05

the Irish Jeckiss. And if you

54:07

can, yeah, if you can

54:09

reduce, if you can reduce the

54:12

frequency of the lie, whether it's

54:14

Oliver plating this through two weeks of boot camp

54:17

or or putting Dylan Thomas underneath

54:19

underneath a particular beat, that

54:22

reduces the lie. And if

54:24

you can reduce the lie to a certain frequency,

54:28

then the lens doesn't suffer it as a lie quite

54:30

as much. And I think, and I think genuinely

54:33

this might be a non sequitor, but for

54:35

me, genuinely, listen, you know,

54:38

a lot of times actors will ask me for

54:41

and I'm sure this you guys get this as well. Young

54:43

actors ask you for advice or or

54:45

and you try and think of like something the sync you can say,

54:48

because it's none of it's that

54:50

easy. But when I do try and say

54:52

the most basic thing that I've learned is

54:55

genuinely listening. If

54:58

I'm if the cameras on me and

55:00

Johnny C playing Cox is saying all

55:02

these things to me, and I can genuinely

55:04

listen, I'm not looking in my periphery at the camera,

55:07

I'm not looking at the jail on the light

55:09

that's about to fall, I'm not distracted

55:11

by something. I'm genuinely listening.

55:14

Then I can't help but react naturally

55:16

as a human being would. And that's

55:18

not easy to do. It's it you can

55:20

all I I find I can only do it in spurts,

55:23

which hopefully those spurts can be edited together

55:25

into something good. But

55:27

but that's the that's sort of

55:29

my version of what you're saying is is is

55:32

being as present as you can and genuinely

55:34

listening because you're telling the truth.

55:37

Yeah, and then we react. I remember

55:39

when I was I did this movie The Last Kiss, and I was I had

55:41

a scene with Tom Wilkinson, a wonderful actor, and

55:44

it was one of those moments where this really worked for me. He

55:46

was the cameras were kind of far back. I

55:48

love that when when on the occasion when they can be sort

55:50

of a little bit far away on longer lenses. And

55:53

and and he was just on

55:55

the porch and he's giving me a

55:57

speech about his daughter, and

56:00

I just remember being so present. I didn't

56:02

see the cameras. I just saw this man talking

56:05

to me and giving me advice about how to deal

56:07

with with my troubled relationship.

56:10

And I just felt I was so in the moment

56:12

that in in in Spurts, I was able

56:14

to just forget that it wasn't real,

56:17

you know what I mean. No, I totally know what you mean.

56:19

When I did Jeez tripping, I got

56:21

stone with my boy Dion right before

56:29

when I was in Homie SPEMONI, Oh,

56:35

and there was you know, we were at a

56:37

dance at a house party and I

56:39

was supposed to be dancing with this girl at the house

56:41

party, and I was so stone that

56:43

I forgot we were filming with a damn movie. You

56:46

think this is bullshit. But I remember my

56:48

direction was. I thought you were by the way, I just want to stop

56:50

for a second. I thought you were kidding and it was hilarious,

56:53

but you're serious. You got so high you forgot you were

56:55

doing a movie. I forgot that we were making.

56:57

This is how we gotta I gotta

56:59

see this movie. So we're

57:02

in a scene and we're you know, it's a the house

57:04

party and we're dancing, and I'm

57:07

dancing with this girl and I remembered

57:09

my direction. My direction is tell

57:11

her to come with you and you guys

57:13

exit. So we're dancing and everything,

57:16

and now I'm really fucking in and I'm looking around,

57:18

Oh boys and ship, oh

57:22

you know what I mean. I'm waving to my boy

57:24

you know what I mean in the movie and everything like that,

57:27

and I remember Joe, oh, I'm supposed

57:29

to tell us something. So I whispered in the ear,

57:31

like, yo, let's go to the other room, and

57:33

she goes, okay, let's go. And

57:36

so we're exiting and as I'm walking out,

57:38

I'm like, oh, shoot, I just pulled

57:40

the check.

57:43

What I did? You know what I mean?

57:45

I'm looking at my boys like I

57:48

look how I did it and then they said

57:50

cut and I was like, no,

57:53

I didn't. I didn't, but you know, I didn't go

57:55

like we're making a movie. But it was like cut and

57:57

we walked away. My boy was like, yo, it really

58:00

like he was taken out of the other room.

58:03

Oh my god. That's

58:07

so funny, man. So that one would get me. I

58:09

would get hives if I ever found myself

58:11

in that situation. I would. I'm

58:13

worry too much. How often

58:15

how often were you stoned um

58:17

while acting on Scrubs? Um

58:22

percentage of the time. It's not

58:24

it's not as high. To add it to the Scrubs Wiki,

58:26

it's not as high as everybody you

58:29

know, as I made it out to be. But

58:31

there were times where I came to work and I was like,

58:33

fuck, I

58:36

did it in the morning. By the end of the

58:38

day, I'll be fine, dude. I

58:40

was problem. I had a problem. You know. Be funny

58:42

if on the Scrubs Wicky with each episode

58:45

it has a little section where it says how high

58:47

Donald was during the filming of this episode.

58:50

You know, it has like a it has like a red for

58:52

very there's like a there's like a there's like a color system

58:55

like how dangerous the water is at the beach. Those

58:58

those days are over though, those days her over.

59:00

But I do remember. I remember thinking, you

59:02

know, there's so many actors that are baked

59:05

when they're working. And I'm sure there are there are,

59:07

you know what I mean. But it really

59:09

wasn't for me. Let me tell you something. I'm gonna

59:11

get us back on track. Here at six Johnny

59:14

Johnny. If Johnny was always on the show,

59:17

we'd be much more on track. Let

59:19

me tell you, Let me tell you something. The Todd

59:21

shows up in the eighth six hious

59:23

and he comes up from behind the couch and it's

59:26

kind of creepy. Yeah, it's

59:28

a lot creepy the things he says

59:30

to her. It's a little creepy,

59:34

I know. But I laughed out loud when he said, um,

59:43

so, is it safe to assume Donald that when

59:46

you do a very graceful jump

59:48

up onto the nurses station, that you are

59:50

not, in fact wearing silk boxers. I

59:52

am definitely not wearing silk boxers. Do

59:55

you wear do you wear anything out of your scrubs?

59:57

I did at the time because I was look, man, he

1:00:00

has got he had I got a leaky oh

1:00:02

ring and so loose gasket.

1:00:04

Go lose gasket. Sometimes when

1:00:06

you go to the bathroom and come back and you got

1:00:08

a little peace spot, it's embarrassing. So

1:00:11

I don't think that you could. I mean,

1:00:13

I don't think that it would be appropriate for you

1:00:15

to not have your

1:00:18

your what your situation contained.

1:00:20

I'm sure there were people that put on

1:00:23

their scrubs at as

1:00:26

Johnny's hand goes out, Really, Johnny, you freeball

1:00:28

in your scrubs to do One

1:00:31

time in the Philippines, we were shooting.

1:00:33

We're shooting a flick and during

1:00:35

boot camp, I had to go through a

1:00:38

river is called a blue, and so we had to go through

1:00:40

a blue and hold our weapons above our

1:00:42

our heads and then we got out the other side.

1:00:45

I took my fatigues off and

1:00:47

I had about nine leeches rate near

1:00:49

my power source, and so

1:00:53

I decided and then die.

1:00:55

We that are our commanant

1:00:58

told us that they like warm,

1:01:00

wet places like under your arms and down

1:01:02

in your crotch. And I haven't worn

1:01:04

underwhear since. And

1:01:07

that's all that you

1:01:10

can't say, you can't preface it with that's all.

1:01:13

That's what it took. Seven leeches, seven

1:01:16

leeches near my near my power's

1:01:19

horse, No

1:01:22

chance, Lance, And

1:01:24

how do you pull him off? You just can't do you just can

1:01:26

you just pull a leech off? I've never had a leach stuck

1:01:28

Dale. Dale came and he used like a

1:01:30

cigarette butt and and like he'd burn him

1:01:32

and pull him at the same time. And it

1:01:35

was very humiliating to take my you

1:01:37

know, to have all twenty four guys looking at, you

1:01:39

know, the Irish donkey with seven

1:01:41

leeches. Wow,

1:01:44

I'm not getting any leeches near. I guess jeans

1:01:46

would be fine, but scrubs wouldn't work. No

1:01:48

gross even oh man, I couldn't

1:01:51

do with my jeans too much

1:01:53

chafing. All right, should we get back to the episode.

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But they're not boxers like traditional boxers,

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miners sort of like clingy, tight

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soft boxers. There

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um their stance if

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um if I highly recommend this brand

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s T A n c E. They're not

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socks. But they also make this like butter It's

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called like Butter Rundy's butter

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go. There's a shout out for butter Undy's. Send

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Donald an x xx L every stance,

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folks, I don't need an X my waist,

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isn't that big, dude? Oh quadruplex.

1:02:38

Wow. We got

1:02:40

to get back to Kenny and Judy because we haven't

1:02:42

given them their due. Because the song,

1:02:44

the song he turns Off, is in fact the

1:02:47

song that then Sammy

1:02:49

and Judy sing together acapella.

1:02:52

Beautiful, so

1:02:54

pretty. That's so tough to do. Also,

1:02:58

yes, it was you know, they must to practice

1:03:00

the lot. They had to have practiced that because

1:03:02

that's so like even the way luck,

1:03:05

the cadence

1:03:07

and everything was on fire, you know what I

1:03:09

mean. That had to They had to remind

1:03:11

everyone who's listening what the song was. It

1:03:14

was talk dirty

1:03:16

to me, Yeah, by poison. But

1:03:19

they're not again, Uh

1:03:21

gosh, I'm beating up a dead

1:03:23

horse here. But the two of them are.

1:03:26

They're not showing off. They're not putting

1:03:29

it up on a bill They're not putting it up on a

1:03:31

billboard. They're so great, they're so

1:03:33

graceful, and they're not doing um, can

1:03:35

you believe this ship? Because Sammy never does

1:03:37

that and Judy is the master of

1:03:40

just navigating her way through a scene, and

1:03:42

the two of them together are so money

1:03:45

and that thing is just so lovely. And then

1:03:47

the same says I love you. I

1:03:50

dropped. Yeah,

1:03:54

it really made me miss him. Uh me

1:03:56

too. I had just one of those moments of going

1:03:59

fucking hell on too soon. This guy

1:04:01

is so funny and so talented, and

1:04:04

uh, I just wish more people got

1:04:07

to know how talented he was. I mean, he was

1:04:09

a successful working actor, but I

1:04:12

you know, I watched him in this and I go, I just I

1:04:15

wish everyone in the world knew how genius this guy

1:04:17

his abilities. Man, he just had so many

1:04:19

great abilities, you know what I mean. He could make you

1:04:21

did did

1:04:23

you guys at the end of the show actually

1:04:26

get to throw things off the roof? Yeah?

1:04:29

I don't remember that

1:04:31

because that being a kind of a nightmare

1:04:33

with it also dates

1:04:36

the show with Letterman talking about let you want

1:04:38

to throw stuff off the roof? Like Letterman, It's

1:04:40

like Letterman hasn't been on for what ten years

1:04:42

now, well for those

1:04:44

of you who are too young to or didn't ever

1:04:46

watch Letterman. He would often throw large

1:04:49

objects off the roof of the Ed Sullivan Theater,

1:04:53

and it was just before he moved to CBS.

1:04:56

No, I think it was a bit he did for the whole

1:04:59

his whole thing. I don't remember. I don't remember,

1:05:01

but um, but I think we did. I have a weird

1:05:04

memory of feeling like it was kind of dangerous.

1:05:06

It's probably something they wouldn't let us do today, with all

1:05:08

the with with the with the increase

1:05:10

in set safety, because the wall

1:05:13

of that roof wasn't incredibly high

1:05:16

and we were hurling watermelons

1:05:18

over the sex. I

1:05:21

don't know that that would be approved by uh by

1:05:23

HR at this at this day and age. By

1:05:25

the way, my Bill Cosby that that made

1:05:27

me laugh out loud, and I think

1:05:29

it made me laugh. I think it made me laugh because how

1:05:32

bad my bill. Yeah, it was like

1:05:34

it was turned up to eleven. It

1:05:36

was, it was turned up to eleven.

1:05:40

Yeah, it was

1:05:43

almost like you were doing an impression Eddie

1:05:47

Murphy and Eddie Murphy doing this impression.

1:05:50

Now, why pudding. I didn't even that was such a non sequitor,

1:05:53

like we put putting in medical

1:05:55

gloves and then toss him off the roof.

1:05:57

Yeah, and then you went into a put I

1:06:00

wonder if that was in the script. Do you think I was in the script

1:06:02

or you just riffed that. No, that was definitely

1:06:04

in the script. Were putting off the roof? They

1:06:07

definitely put it in the show. I

1:06:11

would like to talk to you about

1:06:13

it. Would like to talk to get

1:06:16

about some of the things you've been doing in your

1:06:18

show, about some of the

1:06:21

things that you do in your show now

1:06:25

and then and then and then kneel

1:06:27

at the end saying horror.

1:06:30

Yeah, like the clockalypse now right.

1:06:32

I think that was the I learned from

1:06:34

Scrubs. Wicky, that was the first time

1:06:37

Neil has ever been alone

1:06:40

in a scene. Really,

1:06:42

Oh my goodness, yeahs

1:06:45

Wicky, they really happen. But he gets

1:06:47

Billy. Billy puts them alone more and more

1:06:50

as the when him building that squirrel

1:06:52

thing in his garage, and I think

1:06:55

that, m I think it's more and more alone.

1:06:57

Yeah, And I think that this was

1:06:59

a shifted Neil, like I think

1:07:01

he entered the world of regular

1:07:04

cast member around here. And there

1:07:07

is an episode where Neil is not going to be on this show

1:07:09

in the first season, and that's how

1:07:11

they got around him not being a regular.

1:07:14

If I really, if I recall correctly,

1:07:16

let's ask all we can ask Bill, right, that's

1:07:18

a good Ask Bill, good ahead, Donald,

1:07:20

ask Bill Bill coma if

1:07:23

my memory serves me correctly, isn't

1:07:25

there an episode where there's no janitor?

1:07:28

And if so, was that related

1:07:30

to tiptoeing around his

1:07:32

contract because he would have had to

1:07:34

have been a regular of some sort. Do

1:07:37

not say five six seven eight, Bill,

1:07:40

We'll shut it down. Neil Flynn did

1:07:42

not have to test for the part of the janitor, so

1:07:44

he was not listed

1:07:47

as a regular. You know, I just cast him as a guest

1:07:49

star in the pilot the intention of putting him in every episode,

1:07:52

and then we did put him in every episode as

1:07:54

a recer guy, and at the very

1:07:57

end made him. You know, I was able to convince

1:07:59

the networks they liked him a lot, that we needed to pay

1:08:01

to make him a regular the second year. Originally,

1:08:05

um, they only wanted him in a

1:08:07

maximum of four episodes,

1:08:10

but I was like four, You're gonna have him in like five six

1:08:12

seven eight. Stopping

1:08:17

this fucking guy. Let's take a break.

1:08:19

We'll be right back after these fine words.

1:08:29

Hi, Hi, Hi, We're back in back

1:08:34

quick. After a quick pea break, we're back

1:08:36

at Joel introduced us. It's

1:08:38

Jeremy. Lee nailed

1:08:42

it. There's our Jeremy. You got

1:08:44

the Oprah introduction. It's a it's a sacred

1:08:46

right that only Jeremy. Are you in a office?

1:08:50

I'm in my home office right now. Yeah,

1:08:52

well Jeremy like office

1:08:55

beddy? Okay, Oprah? Can you chill

1:08:57

for two seconds? Jeremy, we'll do that. Brof

1:09:01

Do you get a car? You get car, Jeremy.

1:09:04

Um tell us you have a special

1:09:06

special day to be on the podcast because

1:09:09

the legendary, the living legend, Johnny

1:09:11

C McGinley has joined us. So,

1:09:13

who do you have a question for three of

1:09:15

the cast members of the TV show

1:09:17

Scrubs. I do have a question with

1:09:20

if I don't mind, just a quick background, I

1:09:22

work with children with autism, and

1:09:25

so we actually did

1:09:27

research at this my wonderful company

1:09:29

and nonprofit Autism Partnership Foundation

1:09:32

to research if we could change a

1:09:34

kid with autism to like social things,

1:09:37

not just toys or food. Um,

1:09:39

and so we actually stole from an episode

1:09:41

that you guys did and got

1:09:44

children to actually enjoy the social aspect

1:09:46

of that instead of their favorite toy. So I guess

1:09:48

my first question is yeah, and it's

1:09:50

published in a journal so you can look

1:09:52

at it. Hungry chicken. That's incredible

1:09:55

good for the most question

1:09:57

is who came up with the hungry chicken?

1:09:59

Because we use all the time. Wow,

1:10:02

I don't know. I think that's Bill Lawrence that came up with

1:10:04

one of the writers, right am? I right? Guys?

1:10:07

Oh god, if you if you throw this a billy, he's

1:10:09

going to do a five. You know, we got a limit

1:10:11

him. We gotta limit him. He doesn't get too many.

1:10:14

Um, that is a good question. I have no idea.

1:10:17

I think it must have been one

1:10:19

of the writers. I don't know. Yeah, we

1:10:21

gotta throw it to Bill. So wait, just

1:10:23

explain a little bit more. Um,

1:10:25

the children who have autism, you say they

1:10:27

would they would rather interact with the toy,

1:10:30

and you use this to give them a way to interact

1:10:32

without having a toy involved. Both

1:10:34

think like children thoughts to them only like toys

1:10:36

or only want food, and they only use that to motivate

1:10:38

them. But we know we can motivate them

1:10:41

socially too, because they need to be

1:10:43

social and it's a social disorder. So

1:10:45

we would take the hungry chicken and we

1:10:47

would have do it with a friend

1:10:49

of theirs and then see if

1:10:51

after we did it with them, they would pick that or

1:10:54

favorite or their favorite toy. And

1:10:56

so we were able to show, like by

1:10:58

really selling it and really and a lot of hungry chicken,

1:11:01

that they would pick a social motivator

1:11:04

instead of like food or M and M's, which is

1:11:09

that's amazing. Well, now I really wish I could

1:11:11

take credit for inventing that, because that's a

1:11:13

very inspiring story. Um

1:11:16

wow, do you have another question for us? Yeah,

1:11:18

I guess I do. Um. So you've

1:11:20

talked a little bit about the music on the show, um,

1:11:23

and I just think the music on the show is

1:11:25

great. And um Zack just to say,

1:11:27

I think the Garden State soundtrack

1:11:29

is one of the best soundtracks ever. Thank you. It's a

1:11:31

mixtape. Hold on, it's a mixtape.

1:11:34

It's a mixtape. I want a Grammy four moments,

1:11:37

but yeah, if you want a mix tape

1:11:39

Grammy, you want mixed. I

1:11:41

didn't even know they had a mix tape Grammy, but it

1:11:43

turns out they do. And you won that ship.

1:11:45

I did, I did. You've held it? I

1:11:48

have got

1:11:52

I got thet I

1:11:55

got the I got the fucking first

1:11:58

award in my egot. I didn't think was gonna

1:12:00

be my first. I thought it might be my last. Right

1:12:04

if you get when you get the egot, you

1:12:07

already got the Grammy right. I thought

1:12:09

I was going to do like a book on tape. Jeremy,

1:12:15

do you know what is? Of course?

1:12:17

And Grammy Oscar Tony, Yes, sir,

1:12:20

yes, but thank you, thank you, Jeremy.

1:12:22

Um I Donald ruined my

1:12:25

my praise from you, and I want to thank you. It

1:12:27

was it was shocking too to

1:12:30

everyone involved that that soundtrack was so

1:12:32

successful, but I really appreciate it. It really

1:12:34

is a good soundtrack. Though, do you

1:12:36

guys just like already have a song in mind you know

1:12:38

when that episode comes, or do

1:12:40

you listen to a song and you know, oh,

1:12:42

that'll be a great song to add to a soundtrack

1:12:45

one day. I think what happens is

1:12:47

um there There were some writers

1:12:49

that were involved. There was of course

1:12:52

Christa Miller who plays Jordan

1:12:54

and his Bill's wife and she's very very

1:12:57

into it and very good at it. And Bill

1:12:59

and then the editor and then I think what happens is

1:13:01

you sort of this is the way I do it for my films as

1:13:03

well. You sort of build a big ask

1:13:05

playlist of potential songs. You feel

1:13:07

like, oh, these would be great for a montage or

1:13:10

or this is a really moving song for

1:13:12

somewhere you don't really know, and then

1:13:14

when you get in the edit, you start to go, let's

1:13:17

try that song, and then you see and I just

1:13:19

I I always jokingly have a goose

1:13:21

bump detector. You can listen to

1:13:24

twenty five songs and they're like, Okay,

1:13:26

that's okay, and then all of a sudden you watch it

1:13:28

and you just get goose bumps up and down your arm

1:13:30

and you go, okay, well that's obviously a contender.

1:13:33

Um. And and that's a lot of

1:13:35

trial and error, a lot of trial and error, and UM.

1:13:38

These days it's even harder because so many people

1:13:41

are doing it that when I made my film Wish

1:13:43

I Was Here, we would we

1:13:45

would try it, and we'd fall in love with the song, and

1:13:47

then we look up online. I was like, oh, no, it's been used

1:13:49

in grades anatomy, it's been used on this, it's been using

1:13:51

this movie. Wasn't so it's even

1:13:53

harder now because you've got to find music that hasn't

1:13:56

been done to death in in uh in

1:13:58

being used in with film. Wow.

1:14:01

I mean I think a really a really good example

1:14:03

that is Joshi is your friend

1:14:06

Joshy and the different

1:14:08

music he brought to the show, ZACKI was

1:14:10

just astonishing. Yeah,

1:14:12

Joshua rayding m was a a

1:14:15

is an artist that we love a lot. And actually,

1:14:17

Johnny, I don't even know if you know this, trivia that

1:14:20

his song Winter, which is in that

1:14:22

famous episode where we where we lose Brendan

1:14:24

Frasier, was the first song you've ever written.

1:14:28

Yeah, thank you, wasn't

1:14:30

the one hit wonder dude? Well this many years

1:14:33

yeah, this many years later. I loved his

1:14:35

cover on Alex Sink that first episode.

1:14:37

Just oh of Bob Dylan, Thank you.

1:14:40

You're you're the so you're the guy that was watching

1:14:42

Alex Sync. Thank you so much. My

1:14:44

wife and I who was really sad you couldn't be here.

1:14:46

But she's actually a second year resident, so

1:14:48

she's off at the hospital. Yeah,

1:14:52

well, thank you and thank you for being such

1:14:54

a fan of of all things Scrubs

1:14:57

and Alex s Inc. And Garden State

1:14:59

I really ship and all you guys

1:15:02

guys are amazing. Man, you don't even know my

1:15:04

name. That was Jeremy. No,

1:15:08

we were just watching Can't Hardly Wait. My wife

1:15:11

is not from America. We were watching Can't

1:15:13

Hardly Wait, and

1:15:15

we I forgot you were in it. Oh

1:15:17

my gosh, that's the best way to That's great,

1:15:19

that's great. Right, it was

1:15:21

going right and then like he was like,

1:15:24

he's like. I turned to my wife and I was like, did

1:15:26

you remember the tay digs in a

1:15:34

Jeremy give it up? Thunderous applause, then

1:15:36

for Jeremy Lee,

1:15:39

Jeremy, stay safe and keep doing

1:15:41

the beautiful work you're doing with with autistic

1:15:43

children. And thank you so much for for the kind words.

1:15:45

Oh, thank you so much for having and we appreciate

1:15:48

it. Thanks buddy. Well, guys,

1:15:50

I think we did it. We we've gone We've gone

1:15:52

long. The people seem to love it. Whenever I

1:15:54

say I've gotten a lot of chatter on my instat saying

1:15:57

stop, saying you've gone too long. We don't

1:15:59

want you, guys to stop, but we want

1:16:01

to. You know, I had a great acting teacher. He used to

1:16:03

say, give him ten minutes less than they

1:16:05

want? Was this great acting teacher

1:16:07

that you have ever on Scrubs? Yes? By

1:16:10

the way, did you know that? Dude?

1:16:12

Come on, man, I thought you may have forgotten with

1:16:14

your stoner break. Who did who did? Who was your

1:16:16

acting teacher? And who did I

1:16:18

had? I had the privilege

1:16:20

to work with Zach's acting teacher, David

1:16:23

Downs. David Downs,

1:16:25

I worked who did David play? He

1:16:27

played the one whose kid was

1:16:30

in a coma or broke

1:16:33

his Uh, I don't, I don't remember. I

1:16:35

directed the episode. It was this wasn't

1:16:37

the epic Heather Graham one wasn't. No,

1:16:40

it wasn't. It was like he broke his sonny

1:16:42

that broke his back or I forget

1:16:45

what it was. But you know, he asked me

1:16:47

to be honest with him and

1:16:50

he was like his one line. I

1:16:52

remember the part of the interaction

1:16:54

we had. He said to me, do you shave your

1:16:56

head because it's cool or because you're bold?

1:16:58

And I go, yeah,

1:17:02

it was a really good episode. Um, we'll have

1:17:04

to figure out what it was, but um, yeah, David

1:17:07

Downs was my acting teacher at Northwestern and

1:17:10

also a beautiful actor, and

1:17:12

so I had him do a guest star on

1:17:15

Scrubs always. I always feel like one

1:17:17

of the great gifts of being Mr Boulger,

1:17:20

either a hit show or producing

1:17:22

a movie is throwing

1:17:25

talented friends, not just random

1:17:27

friends, talented friends, putting them

1:17:29

on your piece. And I did it with it

1:17:32

half a dozen actors on Scrubs And then, if

1:17:34

people are right, I do it all the time of

1:17:36

the movies I'm producing too. Yeah, you

1:17:39

have some very talented friends. Yeah, you've got

1:17:41

quite a posse of Sorry, I just don't

1:17:43

interrupt. Oh, I know what it was. Why

1:17:45

it was special? It was the Wizard of Oz episode.

1:17:48

Joel is telling us in the chat. It was Mr Boulger

1:17:50

and his son was brain dead and it's someone's brain

1:17:53

end. It was the It was a season five

1:17:55

episode seven. If you're if you're listening

1:17:57

and are curious, um it was.

1:17:59

Yeah, it was I that that epic was Diz

1:18:02

episode. But Mr

1:18:04

Boulger would be an homage to Ray

1:18:07

Boulder, Yes, sir, it would be

1:18:09

Johnny. You have a lot of you have

1:18:11

a lot of friends that like are

1:18:14

almost like mentors to me, like

1:18:17

Eric Lasal, Michael Beach.

1:18:19

These are people that you've known,

1:18:23

Yeah, since you like out

1:18:25

of college or you went to college with a lot of these

1:18:27

guys, Eric and I. Eric and I went to college

1:18:29

together, and uh, that's

1:18:32

he's my guy, Johnny. And

1:18:34

these guys are like, these guys are like, you know,

1:18:37

uh, mentors to me, Like

1:18:39

you know, when I was a young actor,

1:18:42

Michael Beach was one of the people. When I was

1:18:44

doing weight in Exhale. I was like, well, this is what you

1:18:46

need to do if you want to be successful. Stop

1:18:48

smoking that damn cigarette that you're holding onto

1:18:50

like I was smoking. Was like, I want to be a movie

1:18:52

star smoking a cigarette a table read. He

1:18:54

was like, oh, you want to be a movie star. Put the cigarette

1:18:57

down, dude, Like Mike is

1:18:59

no lie mist straight

1:19:02

up, Johnny. I remember I was taking the other day.

1:19:04

You were on a movie, big

1:19:06

movie, the one um

1:19:09

that took place at the motel with Cusack and

1:19:11

all Identity. Jim

1:19:13

Jim Angel directed I Identity and

1:19:15

it's a really good movie. I recommend to you. I

1:19:17

I liked a lot, but I was I

1:19:20

remember you said you want to come visit the

1:19:22

set because the set was really cool. Even though it looks

1:19:24

like it's all outside, it was all in a giant

1:19:26

sound stage and it was all

1:19:29

pissing rain the whole time, and

1:19:31

uh, and you said you got You said you gotta come

1:19:33

see this set. It's really cool. And I was like, I can't

1:19:35

believe I'm allowed to and uh

1:19:37

and I came to visit you one day on set

1:19:39

and it was just so cool. And I just I thought

1:19:41

of that because I

1:19:44

know a bunch of your buddies. Uh. You

1:19:46

know, it feels like you and your posse often cast

1:19:48

each other in each other's films. I

1:19:50

think it's I think if your posse is talented,

1:19:53

I mean there's there's some outliers, but

1:19:57

then then yeah, good, it's gonna

1:19:59

it's gonna make I like that too.

1:20:01

I like to use the same people over and over

1:20:03

again. But you didn't use Donald in Garden

1:20:06

State. Oh Jesus, here we go. Thank

1:20:08

you, Thank you, Johnny,

1:20:10

thank you very much, like Oliver

1:20:13

Stone used John c McGinley. And so

1:20:15

many times, so many times I've made

1:20:17

you would think that Zach Braff would take a you

1:20:19

know what I mean, Like, you know, uh, I

1:20:22

want you to be the I want you to be the Johnny c

1:20:24

McGinley to my Oliver Stone. You

1:20:27

say that now, but

1:20:32

I don't think I don't think how many movies did you

1:20:34

do with him? John h

1:20:37

six? Wow, that's incredible,

1:20:39

incredible, and there's

1:20:41

some and they're six of the best. What

1:20:44

about talk radio. I was thinking about you and talk

1:20:46

radio the other day. I was thinking about you in

1:20:49

seven And for those of you don't remember, Johnny's

1:20:51

in one of one of my favorite movies. Seven.

1:20:55

And then Johnny, you go, I don't know if you improv

1:20:57

did you improve this? When you go somebody? Somebody

1:21:02

that was incredibly He's in the chopper

1:21:04

right when right when the ship goes

1:21:06

down with there wasn't the box once

1:21:08

in the box, and then

1:21:10

David gave us as much rope

1:21:13

as we wanted to hang ourselves with. He

1:21:16

he lets the actors run and then he'll chop

1:21:18

it together and post, but he lets you run. There

1:21:20

were two scenes, so you're in the chapper, but you're also in

1:21:22

when they bomb rushed the room too,

1:21:24

right, yeah, with the ecated

1:21:26

guy. Yeah,

1:21:29

but out there forget. I remember getting goose bumps

1:21:31

when you know, before I even knew you, Johnny, and

1:21:33

and you were and you go, oh my god, somebody

1:21:36

calls somebody and I was like, that's such

1:21:38

a good would emaciated

1:21:40

guy. David found out there was asbestos

1:21:43

in that building and he wasn't

1:21:45

down with it. So we shut down for a while and found

1:21:47

another building, and that

1:21:50

was a whole to do. Um.

1:21:52

That was a complete clusterfuck. When

1:21:54

he found out there was asbestos in that building. You

1:21:56

know you have but you know you have budget when they're like, there's

1:21:58

asbesis in the building, which shutting down. I've

1:22:04

never been on a movie that had that power. But again,

1:22:06

I'm no Fincher. Man. I love Fincher,

1:22:08

and man, I love that movie. That's one of my favorites. Yeah,

1:22:11

everybody shines in that movie. What's

1:22:13

in the Box? Um

1:22:16

On that note, we love you all for listening.

1:22:18

Keep chatting us on and

1:22:20

still you make us laugh. And if you have a

1:22:22

question, scrubs I heart

1:22:25

at gmail dot com. Joel will decide

1:22:27

if your question is worthy for

1:22:29

air, Right Joel, Joel yields all the

1:22:31

power. Don't yell at me and Donald. We don't do anything,

1:22:34

Joel. A lot of people like the fact that we talk

1:22:36

Star Wars too. I'm just gonna put it out there.

1:22:38

Yeah, I saw that too, getting

1:22:40

a lot of d n There

1:22:44

was a lot of there

1:22:47

was a lot of talk about I saw

1:22:49

much to my dismay, I saw someone going. I

1:22:51

really thought Donald and Joel's inside,

1:22:53

about Quick and Joe whatever it six

1:22:58

seven, eight stories a

1:23:00

boy, sure we made about

1:23:03

a bunch of docs and nurses and Janitor

1:23:06

who loved me. I said, he's the stories

1:23:09

netball should go. So

1:23:13

gather around you. Here are gather

1:23:15

around you. Here are just FECh for you.

1:23:18

Watch your winds and then mm

1:23:21

hmm