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Hi. It's Dave O'Leery, the host of the

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True Crime podcast, Cold. This season,

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I investigate the disappearance of Sherry

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Warren, a young mother looking for a

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fresh start. In the process of a divorce,

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she'd moved back in with her family, found a

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great new job, and even a new boyfriend.

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Her life was turning around and things were

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looking up for the first time in years. But

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on one October evening, Sheree said

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goodbye to her coworkers, left the office

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and was never heard from again.

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All eyes quickly turned toward her estranged

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husband. He had a history of violence,

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having previously lured another woman into

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the mountains and beat her with a tire iron.

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But there was also another man that peaked

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the interest of investigators. Sheree

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new boyfriend, a former reserve

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police officer, who also had

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a dark history of sexual violence. The

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two men closest to Sheree,

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one swore he loved her, the

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other seemed not to care,

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but did one of them murder

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Sheree? about to play a clip

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from Cold, the Search for Sheree.

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the Amazon Music app today. Rain

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drizzled over the canyon of the south fork

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of the Ogden River. It patter

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on the canvas top of Heidi Posnines Jeep

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as she drove up Utah State Highway thirty

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nine on the morning. Friday, June fourth,

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nineteen seventy one. She

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was on her way to meet the strange man who had

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for weeks been calling her demanding they

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go on a date. I can't see

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it, but I'm doing air quotes. She

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turned right off the highway at the entrance to the

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Meadows Campground. Crossed a

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short bridge over the river, barely more

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than a creek, really, and stopped

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next to a camper trailer on the far

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side. A pair of sheriff's deputies

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dressed as fishermen stepped out to greet her.

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And I said, what should I do? And he

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said, you just pull

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across the Sheree.

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And then leave the Jeep parked,

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like, the sideways. You know what I mean? As

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Heidi's describing this to me decades later,

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she's using her hands to show the positions

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of her jeep in the trailer, how

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the deputies told her to park next to them,

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but to reverse out after the collar arrived

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and passed by her position to block

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him from getting back across the bridge to

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the

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road. She

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was the cheese on the mouse trap.

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Listen, make sure when he comes

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up, identify, make

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sure that he's the right person.

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Two miles down the canyon, back in

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the direction of Huntsville, her husband

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John Paznine waited at another

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campground called Magpie. The

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Sheree was with him, along with the deputy

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Albert Bailey. They all watched the

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highway as the clock ticked toward

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the time for Heidi's date to

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arrive. A little

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after ten AM, a red and white

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half ton pickup truck past magpike

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going up the canyon toward meadows. John

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Posney saw a logo printed on the truck's

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door, and a dummy who is driving

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his dad's business truck

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had said Hartman Plumbing.

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And when they drove past Magpie, Joseph,

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he immediately knew who it was Hartman

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Plumbing and Heating belonged to a man named

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Bill

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Hartman. John knew Bill.

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They had together at the Oregon Golfing

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Country Club, Bill was also

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a fellow member of the Weber Club.

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The caller had told Heidi he'd seen her at

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Wieder Club. It clicked for

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John. He recognized the

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man at the wheel of the pickup as Bill

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Hartman's oldest son, Carrie

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Hartman. The Sheree tried

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to radio the two undercover deputies who were

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with Heidi at Meadows to let them know the

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collar would soon reach them, but

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the radio didn't work in the narrow

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canyon. Heidi had

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no idea who the young man in the pickup

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truck was when he turned off the

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highway, drove across the bridge,

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and stopped next to Sheree.

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No. Because I never paid any attention

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to him before. I didn't notice him before.

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The young man rolled down his window.

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Heidi saw he had brown hair, green

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eyes, and appeared clean-cut like

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a cop or military man. Kind

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of

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forgettable. He said, hi.

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I can't remember exactly. And and

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then I said, why would you pick on an old

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lady like

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me? And then he made some remark that I

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was a sexier, a prettier, something,

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you know. You're

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not an old lady at this point though. No.

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Gosh. No. But I

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was way older than he was. I already

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had

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kids, you know, teenagers. So,

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yeah, I was an old lady. Carrie

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Hartman was twenty two to Heidi's thirty

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six. And he kept looking at that trailer

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and was getting little nervous.

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And he said, I'm gonna

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just pull up there. Why don't you follow me up

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there? By up there, Carrie meant

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farther into the campground behind a line of

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trees out of sight of the road. He

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drove past her up around a bend. Heidi

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put her jeep in reverse pulled out and blocked

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the narrow road just as the deputies

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had instructed. She then leapt from

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the jeep and rushed into the safety of their

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trailer. The deputies told

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her to stay put, then went to stand

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next to the Jeep. Heidi

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poured herself a cup of coffee with shaking

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hands, She listened for the

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sound of the pickup. We had returned

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after few minutes. Heidi

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peeked out the window as the deputies pulled

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carry out of the truck and placed him under arrest.

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They frisked him, finding a small knife

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in his pocket. Then they tried to

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call their backup down at the Mag Pi

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campground, only to discover their radios

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didn't work in the canyon either. So

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the deputies piled into Carrie's truck

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and drove it and him down

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the canyon to meet with the sheriff. I

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stayed a while because I was all

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nervous, I guess. Whatever

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you I'd had my coffee and then I got Najib

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and I drove down and they were already

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gone. So Only later did

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Heidi learn from her husband, John, what had

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happened when Carrie had arrived in handcuffs

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at

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Magpie? John, she told

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me, had turned to the Sheree, he

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says, boy, I sure like to smack him in

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the mouth, and he says, well, we looked the other way.

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So they they had him already out.

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And drive touched him. And

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he he was

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embarrassed. He looked down, and he says, I wish

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he had a gun and shoot me.

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Really? Yeah.

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He said that.

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Because

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he was embarrassed he was ashamed. John

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Poznine had punched Carrie Hartman in

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the face, while the Sheree and his deputies

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looked the other way. Needless

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to say this wasn't legal. The

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deputies had then taken Carrie to the Wieder County

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jail in Ogden where they'd booked him on suspicion

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of making threatening phone calls. A

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minor, misdemeanor charge

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that didn't quite match the gravity of

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the whole situation. Kerry

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provided a handwritten statement admitting to what

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had happened. I called the lady

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and said, would you meet me at a time and place?

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If not, some harm would come to your husband's

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car and possibly him.

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That's not Carrie's voice, but they are

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his words read by a voice actor.

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Even today, Heidi downplays

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the seriousness of what happened. Well,

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because he really hadn't done anything other

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than met me. But I'm

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here to tell you, there was something much

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more ominous behind those phone calls.

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Something that makes Heidi's mouth go dry

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and her hands fidget when she really stops

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to think about it. This

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season isn't about Heidi Posnine. As

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I said earlier, it's about the disappearance of

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Sherry Warren, but there's a reason

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we're starting with Heidi instead of

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Sherry. It's because Carrie Hartman,

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the man who tried to lure Heidi

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up that canyon would years

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later meet, a friend, and

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woo Sheree

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Our story begins with a phone call.

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Voice on the phone said I was sexy. He

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had made literally thousands of those types of

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calls. He follows the women, gets

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to know them, and then hit them.

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Then don't report your body I found

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everything. There are a lot of missing girls.

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Escalades.

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Sheree was beaten, stabbed until the knife

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broke, and then shot twice in the head.

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Should Shri Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen

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eighty five. Her

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friends and families say she's not the type to just

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run away. Sheree

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wouldn't leave her child.

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No one can say just what happened to

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Sheree. No one's faced charges for

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her disappearance. Not her ex

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husband, Chuck Warren, money.

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He was a big

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issue. Chuck He told her

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if I can't have you, nobody's going too. And

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not Sherry's boyfriend, Carrie Hartman.

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I remember

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seeing, be careful with him. Yeah. Too dispositions.

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Doctor Jackal, mister Heidi, could be the

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nicest guy you Sheree in me,

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but he also had that sinister sight.

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