0:00

Hi Poshy. Hi Sufi. Happy

0:03

birthday to Axel. I

0:06

know. Yeah. Your little dude

0:08

turned six. Both of

0:10

my boys have had birthdays recently. Yeah, my

0:12

little boy turned six. What did you send

0:14

Axel? I sent him a light break. Okay,

0:17

it came with no note. Okay,

0:20

yeah. That's sometimes

0:23

on Amazon you try to say like,

0:26

click that gift

0:28

option. Yeah. I feel like maybe

0:30

they put like a tiny slip of paper in there.

0:33

I really need to, I feel bad. I

0:36

need to order gifts for the

0:38

kids and have them come to me. Then

0:41

I need to wrap them and then- I get it man.

0:44

I think you could also just heads up us

0:47

and we could wrap them for you. Because we have all the

0:49

means to do that. And

0:52

if Alexi heard me say that, she would be well

0:54

within her race to push me out of the

0:56

window. I was like, we do, we wrap them.

0:59

We as a couple. But

1:02

I will, I'm going to just, we can do some real

1:04

talk, right? Yeah.

1:06

So the problem was, so this Amazon package came

1:09

addressed to me. Yeah. Oh,

1:11

did you think it was your light bright? No,

1:14

but I opened it up and it was the light bright. And

1:17

then I didn't know whose light bright it was. And

1:19

then Axel, I had opened it and Axel was

1:21

there. And I'm just

1:23

going to say, I don't

1:26

think he was like super hoping it was his.

1:32

Well, I'll say this.

1:34

Yeah, go say it. Totally fine. I'm not hurt

1:36

here at all. I bought

1:39

Ash, your eldest,

1:42

a Lego Harry Potter

1:44

thing. Because

1:46

he had asked for it. Well, because he

1:48

loves Harry Potter and all he talks about

1:50

is Lego. And he seemed not

1:53

into it. So I wanted

1:55

to do something outside the box. And

1:59

I did look at an article. of like best gifts

2:01

for six year old boys.

2:03

Now mind you, Light Bright, I feel like is four and

2:05

up, so it's a little young. But

2:07

I also felt like I haven't seen

2:09

a Light Bright around your place. We

2:13

loved Light Bright. We did. And

2:16

I felt like Light Bright is something

2:18

that Addie could

2:20

get into pretty quickly as well. I

2:23

mean, I feel like maybe I'll say this is,

2:25

Pasha got this for you and he wants you

2:27

to show Addie how to use it, might be.

2:29

Because Axel's very sweet with her. Yeah. Yeah,

2:32

yeah. So

2:34

yeah, but I also, I felt like, you

2:37

know, Axel's sort of a wild man. I feel like he

2:39

was gonna be getting a lot of gifts that were gonna

2:42

be like go run yourself ragged. Yeah,

2:45

this is some fine motor gifts were important

2:47

for Axel. Yeah. Although Axel

2:50

crushing the Legos, Ash has moved

2:52

on. Axel's building the entire Hogwarts

2:54

Express right now. And it's really,

2:56

it's a sight to behold. Wow.

2:59

And what does he, I'm

3:02

assuming there's a cake for his birthday? Yes.

3:05

The really exciting thing about

3:07

both the kids birthday cakes

3:10

is Alexi had them

3:12

made by a place that is sort of sugar

3:14

free and gluten free.

3:17

And. Is this exciting for

3:19

who? Well, it's exciting for you because they're still available.

3:22

We have each of them. This

3:26

is a true story. So yeah,

3:28

we're like each has like the tiniest slice, like one 64th

3:31

of the cake was all it took for the kids to

3:33

be like, I'm good. So

3:36

we were at, I wasn't there, but they

3:39

have their cousin Agnes who's

3:41

five today. So

3:44

they're handing out cake at

3:46

this party. And it's this, you know what? You

3:48

know, it's not a cake for kids is the,

3:51

on the top of it were dried

3:54

orange slices, which like look

3:56

really beautiful. You know what

3:58

I'm talking about. It's not a thing. kids like here we

4:00

go so

4:03

it's this real

4:07

real janky cake but they get a slice we're

4:09

cutting off slices they're cutting off slices and

4:11

handing them to the kids mm-hmm and they

4:13

hand one to Agnes and

4:17

they say Agnes go hand it somebody else

4:19

don't take the first piece and

4:23

someone Arielle said she watched Agnes take a

4:25

bite of it like basically not listen and

4:27

take it for herself take a bite of

4:29

it make a face and then bring

4:31

it and hand it to somebody else the

4:35

cake was so bad that she then did the instruction

4:37

and then later we were telling that story to friends

4:39

of ours and my friend Graham was

4:41

like oh I go what he goes

4:43

she gave it to me but

4:49

it is it is really funny to show up

4:52

that I it was not his I was home for his

4:54

birthday but they had his birthday party

4:57

on a Saturday when I was

5:00

on the road and so I got

5:02

back Sunday morning I opened the fridge and just

5:04

saw like so much cake and I realized there

5:06

were so many kids and there should not be

5:09

this much cake left over well the good news

5:11

also is that there's tends to be nothing in

5:13

your refrigerator so there's room for cake yeah

5:16

although you know what huh I had

5:18

a really cool thing happen when to Philly there's

5:21

a great Israeli restaurant in

5:23

Brooklyn called laser wolf and

5:26

they have same guy Michael Solomon off

5:28

has a restaurant in Philly called

5:31

a Disney goth I think and

5:33

he came to my show and brought

5:35

me a ton of like pita and

5:37

hummus and chicken schnitzel you

5:40

know I like that yeah and

5:42

so I went back to I went

5:45

back after the show that night so I brought back

5:47

two giant bags of Israeli food so it was this

5:49

really exciting thing it was like the one time ever

5:51

there was stuff in the fridge yeah that's

5:53

great it was fun fun

5:57

I also got back I

6:00

got back late and then I woke up and

6:02

it was really fun because Addie was just

6:05

on the trampoline and it

6:08

was not even warm out but she was

6:10

fully naked and her pajamas

6:12

were on the

6:14

trampoline but she was fully naked and I said what

6:16

happened and she said I jump so hard they fall

6:18

off and I don't think that's what happened. What

6:22

if it did though? I think that's a BS story.

6:25

Yeah. So anyway,

6:27

I'm glad you thought Out of the Box fit a

6:29

light bright but I do want you to know that

6:32

when I took it out of the box Axel said

6:34

put it back in. But

6:41

we'll send you a picture when

6:43

he makes a nice light bright. Yeah. He's

6:45

gonna like it. Does he know what a light bright is?

6:48

I think he does. Can you sing the song? Do you remember

6:51

the old light bright commercial? No, I mean

6:53

I want to just say light bright light bright

6:55

but I'm sure. I think it's like light bright

6:57

it's a bada-dah-dah-dah. I think it was like that.

7:00

Okay. Yeah, no. You

7:02

don't remember. Well, some of us have

7:05

the gift. You

7:08

didn't seem super confident. No,

7:10

I'm a bit light bright

7:12

it's a dumb in the

7:14

middle. This

7:16

was a real joy. Oh

7:18

yeah. Bo and Yang, man, he

7:21

has an incredible story and he's

7:23

a wonderful person and I love talking to him

7:26

and everybody here is gonna

7:28

listen to it. But first,

7:31

what should they do first Pashy? I think they should

7:33

listen to a little Jeff Tweedy. Well

7:36

then let's do that. All right. Family

7:38

chips, my brother. Family chips, my husband. He

7:42

has gone. Hello.

8:00

Hi. Hi. How

8:02

are you? How's it going? I'm good. I

8:06

like you in front of a bookshelf. You feel like

8:08

you're about to make a point on MSNBC. I

8:12

cannot imagine. I

8:15

want like the, I want to

8:17

see all of like the free production

8:19

in those rooms for those professors

8:22

or whatever people do. I know.

8:25

I wonder how many of them are doing it on their

8:27

own and how many of them are making some TA who

8:29

thought they were actually going to be doing academic stuff set

8:32

up Zoom like sitting. I was

8:34

listening to a podcast the other day and

8:36

someone clearly had a bookcase of relevant books

8:38

behind them and some book became

8:40

part of the conversation and then at

8:42

a commercial break they moved it. So

8:45

it was more prominent. And

8:47

it was, so sometimes I think

8:49

people are doing their own set-to-set.

8:52

You're giving me great ideas for a

8:54

writing night. Go. You know

8:56

what? I think in

8:59

the way, I don't know who wrote the bowling

9:02

alley sketch for Jacob Elordi. Oh,

9:05

Stephen Castillo and Dan Bullock. But yeah,

9:07

that was a really nice. Oh, that

9:09

is a new thing. No

9:12

one had pointed out yet, but the minute you saw it, you're like,

9:14

yep, that's a new thing. And I do

9:16

think the Zoom set up for people with books behind them.

9:18

That's it, Bowen. That is the seed of something.

9:21

That is the seed of something. Thank you for

9:25

maybe letting me germinate. I don't know. Bowen,

9:28

do you know much about podcasts? Not

9:32

really. How many episodes have you done

9:34

of Last Culturis, though? We

9:38

spent months planning for our

9:40

400th episode special. And

9:43

we didn't realize no one on the

9:45

team had made the count. And

9:48

so we've really blown past 400 as of

9:51

January. But

9:54

we still haven't done the special episodes yet. So 400,

9:57

too much. That's

10:01

incredible. I will say I feel

10:03

a burden today because your podcast

10:06

with Matt Rogers is the most fun I've

10:08

ever had as a guest on a podcast.

10:11

So I'm hoping to bring some of that

10:13

light to you now. Oh,

10:15

absolutely. Well, first of all, I am

10:18

already having a blast. I do have

10:20

to apologize. One, for y'all, I canceled

10:22

on these two wonderful people last week

10:25

because I mismanaged my time. And

10:27

two, I don't know why I did

10:30

this. I went out drinking

10:32

last night. I was over served.

10:36

Oh, am I coming

10:38

off okay? You're coming off room hungover.

10:41

I wouldn't have known. I'm also, you

10:43

know what? I just had a real like

10:45

tickle up the back of my neck flashback

10:47

to a Monday night boozer. Oh, and

10:49

I wouldn't give. I don't do

10:52

those often. I don't know what came over

10:54

me. Did it kind of get away from

10:56

you? Did a dinner turn into a bigger

10:58

thing? No, it was very clearly

11:00

like I knew what I was walking

11:02

into, which was just drinks with someone but

11:04

it was I don't

11:06

know. It was just it was a deep cone

11:09

of a martini. It was not like a nice

11:11

little dainty

11:13

like. Were you fired up

11:15

because of the eclipse? We're recording this day

11:17

after the eclipse. And I'm just wondering if

11:20

sort of heavenly bodies moving around gets you

11:22

a bit more. Yeah,

11:24

ready to get. Yeah,

11:28

I think because I missed the whole thing because

11:30

I was just so in order. I

11:32

missed it too. I have a very

11:34

pathetic thing to say, which just reflects

11:37

sadly on what I think a

11:39

lot of married people do. I went out to dinner last night

11:41

and I had three Negronis. I

11:44

was at dinner with Steve Higgins and

11:46

I had three Negronis and I came home

11:49

and Alexi was still up and she said, Oh my God, you

11:51

smell like so much alcohol. What did you have to drink? And

11:53

I said a Negroni and she said

11:55

just one. And I said two. So I

11:58

tried to lie. Tried to lie and

12:00

say I had one, and then when I was caught in the

12:02

lie, I still didn't tell the truth. I still have the two.

12:05

Still round it down. And these are the little tidbits I

12:07

put in to try to incentivize her to listen to the

12:10

podcast. I want her to know this is the truth, tell

12:12

the truth. Yeah, before we get

12:14

into it, Bowen, I have a quick

12:16

story that my fiance asked if I

12:18

was gonna tell, and I said, well,

12:20

yes. I

12:23

don't know if we met at, if

12:25

the first time we met was at like

12:27

a post-EME's party, that you had

12:29

something to do at, Seth had something to do

12:31

at, I was coming to meet Seth. I had

12:33

nothing to do with the EME's party, but I

12:36

met you at this party, and we showed up,

12:38

and my fiance was turnt. She

12:40

was just like ready to party, and

12:43

Fiddy Scent was there, and it was

12:45

like, and at some point, like

12:48

I met you, and I want to say she

12:50

met you, and a song came on, and she

12:52

was like, hey, let's go dance. And

12:54

you were sort of like, okay, but then you,

12:56

she started going to the dance floor, and

12:59

you realized, I don't know who this girl is, and

13:01

then she got to the dance floor, and she

13:03

was all alone, and you, no, I

13:06

think you correctly bailed, because even I wasn't going

13:08

with her. Yeah, I was like, well, where are

13:10

you? Well, yeah, I mean, I

13:12

was like, oh, she's just like, she's on one, and

13:14

she's like trying to get people to rally to the

13:16

dance floor, and she was like, hey, Bowen, let's

13:18

dance, and you're like, okay, and then you're like,

13:21

I don't know you, this is weird. If

13:25

a kind stranger implores me to dance,

13:27

I will dance with them, that doesn't

13:29

sound like me, but I'm mortified that

13:31

we abandoned her. No, it was, I

13:34

mean, she did great for herself that night, but

13:37

she always remembers it, it's like, she was like, I didn't

13:39

know Bowen Yang, but I was like, let's go, and he

13:41

was like, okay, and then all of a sudden I was

13:43

alone. Josh, do you remember,

13:45

did I geek out at you about like,

13:47

Bishak, or any like, man-to-be things that night?

13:49

I think maybe, yeah, Bishak. Thank you for

13:51

allowing me that. Yeah, people are always freaking

13:54

out about that. That's a good answer. I

13:56

had, I went up at an Emmy party

13:58

a couple years ago. I hope

14:00

I'm saying her last name right. She's the wonderful actress

14:03

from Severance Brit Lower. Is that it? Is it Lower

14:05

or Lower? Yeah, she's fab. Yeah, she was at that

14:07

party. She was at, oh, same party. So I went

14:09

up to her to tell her how much I

14:12

loved her in Severance. But I will say she was

14:14

middle dance floor having a blast. And

14:17

I felt like an old guy who was coming

14:19

out and be like, ma'am, ma'am, I remember

14:21

the group of people

14:23

she was dancing with. It was a group that

14:25

you should not go into. And it was very

14:27

loud. And what she seemed to be saying to

14:29

me, which then Josh explained to

14:31

me because I had not made the connection, was do you

14:33

remember this, Josh? What she said to me? She

14:35

was like, I don't know. Your brother is a

14:38

good Frankenstein. Oh yeah. Oh,

14:40

exactly. And so I had this moment

14:42

of, well, this woman has been over-served. And

14:46

then I went over to Josh and said, yeah, I

14:49

really agree, but she was talking about my

14:51

brother is Frankenstein. And then I

14:53

had forgotten that Josh had done an episode of Man's Josh and Woman,

14:55

right? Yeah. You

14:58

were in a scene with her where you

15:00

were Frankenstein. I was Franken-boyfriend. She made the

15:02

perfect boyfriend. It was

15:05

like her sort of, yeah,

15:07

I was her creation and I was everything

15:09

she wanted, but then I was gay. And

15:12

she was like, oh no, I built this

15:14

perfect man. And he's gay. And he's gay.

15:17

It's technically Franken-boyfriend's gay guy.

15:23

It's dog-ragging boyfriend. I see. I'm

15:26

just glad I didn't go back on the dance floor, interrupt

15:28

her a second time, be like, hey, I get it now.

15:33

That is kind of like a throwaway

15:35

compliment that isn't quite specific enough or

15:37

not contextual. Yes. It's

15:40

properly for you, yeah. Well, looking back on it, I

15:42

find it very lovely. She was basically saying,

15:44

oh, that's so nice. Also, she'd

15:47

worked with Josh. The way she said it was,

15:50

I didn't quite connect it. I thought,

15:52

I was like, he's not a Frankenstein. He's

15:55

a real boy. He's a real man. I bought

15:57

that Frankenstein. So you have. Your

16:00

family story is fantastic

16:03

and a lot of big moves, which

16:06

are not technically trips, but

16:09

you were born in Brisbane. And

16:12

how long, your parents met in China, and

16:14

how long had they lived in Australia? They

16:17

had been in Australia for, I

16:20

wanna say four years

16:22

at that point. My sister was born there as

16:24

well two years before me. And

16:26

so they were down there because my dad was getting a doctorate

16:30

in mining explosives. And

16:33

so. You

16:36

better have some credentials before you just

16:38

jump into that one. Totally. Yeah. And

16:41

so he was going

16:44

to school and mom was raising us. And

16:46

then when I was six months

16:49

old, I think basically when I

16:51

was okay to fly as a human

16:53

being, like as soon as

16:55

I was okay to fly at six months old,

16:57

I was spirited

16:59

away to Canada. And that's Montreal.

17:02

And that's, it was Kingston, Ontario for a couple

17:04

of years and then Montreal after that. So do

17:06

you have any, so you probably have no memories

17:09

of Brisbane at all? Zero

17:11

memories of Brisbane. We went back in 2016 and

17:13

it seems lovely. And

17:17

like, I felt no actual connection to the

17:19

place until we were like walking

17:22

through a park and my mom was like, you know,

17:24

and like the

17:28

first water you drank is from this place. Like

17:31

the first food you ate is from this place. Like, cause

17:33

I think I made a comment. Like I was like, I

17:35

don't really, it's weird to think of this as like the

17:37

place, as my birthplace. And she was like, no, no. Like,

17:40

and she was, she was being very motherly and

17:42

in that way of being like, no, this is

17:44

actually kind of meaningful no matter what. And was

17:46

that trip back in 2016, was

17:49

that the family like making a return to

17:51

the? Yes. Okay. Yes.

17:54

And then as well, sister came as well. I

17:57

think, I think brother-in-law.

18:00

Sister's boyfriend at the time also came. I want

18:02

to say yeah, that sounds right and lovely

18:06

lovely place um They

18:08

really love to eat their kangaroo meat down there. Did

18:11

you try it? I tried it fine I

18:14

like there's no right there's a

18:16

knee I guess there is a need to eat because

18:18

they are like everywhere giant giant rodents.

18:21

Yeah. Yeah Yeah, they're trying to get rid of

18:23

them, which is sad, but I like that Get

18:25

rid of a much Meet

18:28

him yeah, yeah They

18:32

like to eat it or when they when tourists

18:34

come they tell you we love oh

18:37

That's a fun. That's a fun

18:40

grist. Yeah You're

18:45

eating that we'll have the steak

18:47

Yeah, yeah, oh

18:50

you got a ton Yes, you

18:52

love it. That's a big

18:54

trip. How long so that's you

18:56

traveling and again? I'm gonna try

18:58

to get 2016 year out

19:01

of college out of college. Yeah. Yeah

19:03

Yeah, so well out

19:05

of college four years out of college So

19:07

and it was this a big deal for

19:09

your family to take a massive trip back

19:11

to Australia huge deal huge deal and

19:16

I Again, I have

19:19

no actual emotional feeling about

19:21

that continent or country slash

19:24

country Was it just Australia that you

19:26

take that long a trip and just go to

19:28

Australia? It was just Australia and like it was

19:31

Just Britain. No no no no no we did we

19:34

did Sydney and and and Cairns and like all like

19:36

it like we went up The the West Coast or

19:38

the East Coast. I'm sorry See I I don't even

19:40

like I my brain hasn't

19:42

even filed away like the basic geography

19:44

of that place We'll also have a

19:47

hemisphere so the toilets circle any other

19:49

way so who knows Is

19:53

there West Coast And

19:56

where are your parents the kind of people that

19:58

they are we're nostalgic for

20:00

it? What I didn't realize

20:02

and not to bring this sector

20:05

into this podcast, into this lovely

20:07

space, but I didn't realize that

20:10

people in Australia are wildly

20:14

racist towards Asians. And

20:17

so they never made

20:19

mention of it until we were there, it was

20:22

like eight years ago, where

20:24

they were like, yeah, it wasn't that

20:27

great here. We had our friends, but

20:29

people were pretty goofily

20:32

jingoistic or whatever, you know, like it

20:35

was weird. So

20:37

were you there just for the length of

20:39

time it took your dad to get that

20:41

doctorate and then where they... Basically, yeah. Yeah,

20:43

and then dad got a job in Canada

20:45

and... Oh, no, no, got a job in

20:47

Australia, somebody moved to Canada and then by

20:51

98 the company

20:53

moved to Denver, Colorado, which is where I

20:55

went to middle and high school. Gotcha, so

20:57

your dad was not getting new jobs, he

21:00

was just working for a place to get

21:02

moving. No, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Which is kind

21:04

of cool. It is kind of cool. It

21:07

would be... I'm proud of him. Yeah,

21:09

it is. I mean, valued employee, if

21:12

they keep taking him every time because

21:14

that's when your company moves, that's a

21:16

good time to sort of send the

21:18

herd, you know? Totally, totally. And he

21:20

stuck with it. Yeah. Yeah. Hey,

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24:24

joindeleteme.com/trips. Were

24:29

there any notable

24:31

sort of tourist stops on

24:33

your Australia trip that

24:36

you... There

24:38

were... We did the reef. Nothing

24:43

too much to see anymore. It's a

24:45

shame. It's a shame. And... Did

24:50

you snorkel or were you scuba? I

24:53

was snorkeling. I don't... What's

24:56

our take on scuba? I feel like...

24:59

Why are we... 0.0 take... Like,

25:01

do we... No, that's my... That's my

25:03

grade. My grade of 100 is 0.0. Right.

25:07

I'm certified and it's... It's

25:09

great. However, I got certified

25:12

so long ago that if I... I've done

25:14

it sort of one time since I got

25:16

certified and they were like, oh, you're good

25:18

to go. And I was like, no,

25:20

no, no. I really would love to brush up on it

25:22

before I go, you know, 60 feet down and go through

25:26

a shipwreck. I would like to know... Like,

25:29

just give me a refresher course. But

25:33

it's fascinating because you truly

25:36

are... You're floating and

25:39

all you hear is the air bubbles.

25:42

You don't have to... And that's sort of

25:44

the intake of the air from your

25:46

tank. It

25:48

is so peaceful and it's... Yeah,

25:53

it can be just beautiful. Yeah,

25:56

I really... I mean, you can see, for

25:58

those of you listening, you can't see... but

26:00

none of this has looked appealing to Seth. Well,

26:03

I just was realizing I was gonna have a fun moment to

26:05

say to Bowen that Josh and I are so deeply

26:07

connected as brothers, we love each other so much, and

26:09

yet, even when he loves something, while

26:12

he's explaining what he loves about it, it

26:14

all sounds negative. Can I

26:17

say that I took it the same way? And this might be the hangover talking,

26:19

but like, he was, Josh, you were just literally saying how beautiful and peaceful it

26:21

was, and I sneered. I

26:24

did this, and I was like, oh, yeah. But

26:26

I don't take that personally the same way, my fiancee. My

26:29

fiancee didn't take personally that you didn't go to

26:31

the dance floor. They're just things that happen in

26:33

life. When Josh says something

26:36

like, all you can hear is the

26:38

air coming from the tank. Like, that

26:40

to me is a reminder, that sound

26:42

to me is a

26:44

reminder that I have an apparatus

26:47

that I'm counting on to live. To

26:50

hear, it's like this,

26:52

when you go into a hospital

26:54

and you hear like, yeah, yeah,

26:57

yeah. On a coma patient, no

27:00

thanks. While the medium around

27:02

you is pressing down on you in

27:07

a lethal, dangerous way. No, the one thing

27:09

I understand it's worth doing, because there's no

27:12

HD photos of fish, so

27:14

it's really the only way to see them. I

27:17

will say, there was one of the dives I've done.

27:20

You sort of went, there was a

27:22

drop. You

27:25

were on the seabed, and then there was

27:27

a significant drop into a trench. And when

27:29

you go over that

27:31

drop, water gets so

27:33

much colder and it's so dark and

27:35

it is terrifying. But

27:38

in a way that, I mean, I still remember

27:40

it. And I didn't

27:42

want to go down that trench, but

27:44

it was, yeah. I liked it. Once

27:47

again, the peaceful part is terrifying to

27:49

me. And then Josh goes,

27:51

then there is a terrifying part. And I'm

27:53

like, dude, my pants have

27:56

already been shit. My

27:58

pants been shit. And you're

28:00

describing not wanting to go down there,

28:02

but you got certified.

28:06

Yeah. Did I tell you,

28:08

did I mention there are eels? Oh,

28:11

geez Louise. I was thinking this

28:13

this morning, do fish

28:15

have souls? Do things

28:18

in the sea have souls?

28:20

You drank so much last night.

28:23

I was thinking this morning about fish

28:25

souls. Fish

28:28

souls? I don't think... Because I

28:30

think... Because I am thinking

28:32

about my pescatarian friends, and I have not

28:34

actually consulted them on this, but I

28:37

want to inquire. There

28:40

doesn't seem to be this consensus

28:42

on why ethically eating fish and

28:44

only fish is okay. And

28:47

maybe it's because fish don't have souls. Well,

28:49

I will say if eyes are the window

28:51

to the souls based on fish eyes, I

28:53

would say they don't have souls. Right. Nor

28:57

do ghosts. There's nothing there. Yeah, there's weird little

28:59

square eyes. It

29:01

would be funny if you only ate animals who had

29:03

dead eyes and you were like, I'm a pescatarian. I

29:05

also eat... I also eat goat. Yeah,

29:09

that sounds a bit bored to me. I

29:13

will say scuba is terrifying to

29:15

me. Snorkeling is

29:17

not scary to me, but it's also... It

29:20

just is such a dud and you look

29:22

like a dork. From anybody on the boat,

29:24

you just look like... I mean, at least

29:27

I will admit scuba looks cool. If you

29:29

see a guy scubing, I kind

29:31

of think that's a good look. A tank on the back,

29:33

you know, I think that's a good look. Snorkeling

29:37

is dork city. Most

29:39

of what Seth does in life is based on

29:42

how do I look cool? Well,

29:44

it's how do I look from the boat. That's

29:46

how I... Oh, I see. From and from what

29:48

part of the boat? From the bow, the stern.

29:52

Both of them. Great. I

29:56

also think the fish... Do you think... Here's

29:58

the thing. I don't think they have soles. But

30:00

do you think that fish kind

30:02

of judge the snorkelers? You

30:04

know, they're like, okay. So

30:07

there's because they see the scuba people. I feel

30:09

like the fish are like respect. What

30:11

are you? What are you? Yeah.

30:14

No, the way that they will

30:16

swim away from you is judgmental.

30:19

The way that like they're

30:21

just like, like, it's so very like

30:23

a click of mean girls. It's a

30:25

click of mean girls recoiling on collectively

30:27

just kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's

30:30

a reduction for sure. How we're

30:33

kind of working backwards because we are starting

30:36

with an adult family trip. But I've always

30:38

loved sort of an adult family trip. But

30:40

how did as an adult, you've got your

30:42

sister, she's with her now husband. She's with

30:44

her now husband. So there's five of you or was

30:46

there anybody? There

30:48

was on this Australia trip. Yeah, five of

30:50

us. Yes. So now do

30:53

you find time because you're four years out

30:55

of college, do you find time to be

30:57

social outside of your family on a trip

30:59

like that? No. And

31:01

there is really, I don't know. I can't do the

31:03

thing where I go. I

31:08

need like one night to myself. It

31:10

feels unwholesome to me.

31:12

Like I need it to be so family fun the

31:14

whole time because it just feels

31:17

so definite

31:20

for me to... That's great. I think we're the same way.

31:22

I would never say about a family trip. We're

31:24

going to bust out and do our own thing. No. But

31:26

I feel like, yeah, having a setup

31:29

like your sister and then her having her boyfriend

31:32

at the time, you're

31:34

like, well, a four person dinner, that makes sense.

31:37

You do you. I'm

31:39

going to go hit Disney. Sure.

31:43

I will say that this is

31:45

just overall the history

31:47

of my family's trips is that we

31:50

don't see too many landmarks and that

31:52

we only go to the Chinatowns

31:55

and each respective place that we visit.

31:59

Bowen. Oh, this is video

32:01

is gonna say yeah Yeah,

32:05

Chinatown t-shirt so Okay,

32:07

that's great. Do you did

32:09

was were there any Chinatown's in Australia?

32:12

There were many I think that's really

32:14

has like city for

32:16

city whatever the like

32:18

like American Chinatown's are in

32:20

a crisis right now. I think just just

32:22

in terms of like Like

32:25

we went to Chicago once when we were a little

32:27

we were a little we went to the Chinatown in

32:29

Chicago which to me feels like a suggestion

32:33

of An ethnic enclave down

32:35

like by like the South Loop. I

32:37

think yeah That's that's where Chinatown is

32:39

in Chicago, which I am gonna say

32:41

sorry to Chicagoans is not a real

32:44

It's not a real Chinatown got it

32:47

um really, I think

32:49

because of Whatever region

32:51

diaspora is there and like has

32:53

pretty strong

32:56

Chinatowns in each city in each way

32:58

are the what are the three most

33:00

important things to a strong Chinatown? Okay

33:03

You get a great gate. Yeah,

33:05

great. Love a gate. I love a gate You

33:08

know what I mean like that that the with

33:10

the pagoda roofing and all that stuff If

33:13

you have to have that you

33:16

have to have one dim

33:18

sum restaurant that Needs

33:22

that requires you climb like

33:24

two escalators And

33:29

you need um,

33:31

I think you need like

33:33

um one nice Like

33:37

purse table on a sidewalk. Okay,

33:39

great, huh? Table

33:42

for purses. What do you think when your

33:44

parents go to a Chinatown? Is

33:46

it do they want to? Just

33:49

feel at home away from home.

33:51

I think yeah, I think it's that way

33:53

like I this is this is so like This

33:57

is out of a I don't know. This is out of like some

34:00

immigrant movie but if I

34:04

I was always my sister never

34:06

always very frustrated that like all

34:09

they wanted to do was go visit Chinatowns and now

34:11

I totally get it and I think it's quite beautiful

34:14

but like that the time we like growing up

34:16

we hated going because we were like we want

34:18

to go to I can't

34:20

even think like I think we want to go

34:22

see like Statue of

34:24

Liberty whatever you know like and all we did

34:27

in New York was go to Chinatown when

34:29

I was 14 go to 30 Rock take the NBC

34:32

studio tour and then go to the Gershwin

34:35

and press my face up against the theater

34:37

at Wicked the the doors of Wicked yeah

34:39

how do you feel currently how

34:41

would you rate the New

34:43

York Chinatown it's fine

34:45

I'm mostly it's mostly

34:48

like I'm going

34:50

through it I am like it's

34:52

it's it's it's a it's an intermediary

34:55

space for me I don't really go

34:57

there as a destination anymore I am

34:59

really sympathizing with the residents who are I

35:02

was trying to write an update about this

35:04

last week but they are

35:06

building the world's tallest jail there oh

35:09

my god and and the residents

35:11

are not very pleased and

35:14

I was like do I play like a Chinatown

35:16

resident who's just like I don't know like like

35:18

like that

35:20

kind of thing but anyway the Chinatown

35:22

in New York is great flushing is

35:24

great that the parks great I just

35:27

think I

35:30

just think it's what what is sad right

35:32

now is like Chinatowns are getting smaller and

35:34

smaller around the world and not yeah yeah

35:36

you speak Mandarin correct terribly

35:38

yeah okay when you go to

35:40

a Chinatown do you what

35:42

do you speak I speak Mandarin and

35:45

then people do that thing where they

35:47

just where they just go I'll just

35:49

speak English to you you know like they're there and

35:51

they're not gonna keep the charade going gotcha

35:54

do are you valued as a beloved

35:58

Chinese American celebrity I

36:01

know, like within a Chinatown.

36:03

Yeah, I was wondering. No,

36:05

I don't think they watch or care. That

36:09

was my idea. You

36:12

might need some hard copy

36:14

headshots to go around. I

36:17

mean, that's how it works in a lot of dry cleaners

36:19

restaurants, but I don't know if that's

36:22

a Chinatown thing as well. Do you know

36:24

the Mandarin word for iceberg and would you be

36:26

able to tell if people were whispering it as

36:28

you walked by? I have not encountered that. Although

36:36

I mean, wait, this is what I'm

36:38

wondering. Have you guys had experience with this? Is

36:41

it that you bring the hard copy

36:43

headshot to the pizzeria and then

36:45

you sign it or they have

36:47

it? They have it on

36:50

for that. It is weird. Like back in

36:52

the day, right? Like where did Danny Aiello

36:54

every time he went to a pizza place

36:56

just have a briefcase with him? I

36:59

must say that like it must be that yeah, they must

37:01

be that they have like next time you come in, I'm

37:03

gonna have your headshot. Yeah, right. And then

37:06

that's it. Yeah. Yeah. I

37:08

think they would they ask you for it. They're like, hey, we'd love to hang it

37:10

up. And you're like, well, I love I love

37:12

how you starch my shirts. So

37:15

they make it less awkward for you. They're like, God, I

37:17

wish I had one of your headshots. Do you know where

37:20

I could get one? And then you're like, you know what,

37:22

I'll bring one. Yeah, I can bring

37:24

one. Actually, why don't I get it out of my

37:26

bag right now? Just

37:29

like Danny. All

37:31

right. So Great Barrier Reef. We are

37:33

going to get to some younger trips, but Great

37:35

Barrier Reef kind of a dud, but that's not

37:37

the Great Barrier Reef's fault. That's climate change. And

37:40

that's us. So

37:42

any other notable sort

37:45

of Australia trip? Either,

37:48

you know, things that happened that,

37:50

you know, weren't around Uluru

37:52

or you guys are being so sweet about

37:54

like just teasing like any details out of

37:56

here. I'm giving you a nothing. So,

38:00

Meringue, did you see? What

38:04

we did was we went to the Opera House in Sydney and we

38:07

did live orchestra playing,

38:09

like, scoring to Amadeus. That's

38:12

really good. Which is the movie. So, did they show

38:14

the movie and they scored it? Show the movie and

38:16

they scored it. And

38:18

we were watching young Cynthia Nixon play a nun.

38:22

I'm so glad you said that because

38:24

I just watched Amadeus for the first

38:26

time. I shamedly. And I couldn't believe

38:28

when Cynthia Nixon showed up. What

38:30

did you think of the movie as a whole, Seth?

38:32

I loved it. I loved it. And it

38:35

was one of those... I kind of always knew

38:37

I'd love it and I just think it came

38:40

out when I was just a little too

38:42

young and then I just never came around and saw it.

38:44

Sure. Totally. But that was fun for the whole family.

38:47

Do your parents like going to the arts

38:50

in that way? No. Okay.

38:53

Not at all. And what about your sister?

38:55

Sister, yes. So, was that a tough sell

38:57

to go to the Sydney Opera House then

38:59

or was it just like... My mom's like...

39:02

My mom's criterion for

39:05

movies, we'll say, is if

39:08

it won best picture, I'll see it. Okay.

39:10

And so, thankfully, Amadeus did win best

39:12

picture. Yeah. And

39:15

that was... And so, therefore, it was not too hard

39:17

of a sell. But I mean,

39:20

dad couldn't be bothered to do...

39:23

To go to any cultural thing. And

39:25

that's okay. And in the past, I would

39:28

resent him for that. But I think it's just because he's like,

39:30

I don't get what's going on. I

39:33

took him to Hamilton in the heyday of Hamilton and both

39:35

of them fell asleep. I

39:41

was just like, this is not... I'm

39:45

all for people who want to sleep during plays.

39:47

But I think Hamilton might be the hardest one

39:49

to fall asleep at the last one year. It's

39:51

a very loud show. Very loud. There's gunfire and

39:53

stuff. Yeah. Even the

39:55

lyrics are like gunfire. You're right. So... It

39:58

is so interesting that you just raised your hand. I realize

40:00

there's a thousand different ways, if

40:02

not more, to make a comedian, because Josh and

40:04

I grew up, our parents loved SNL. We watched

40:06

SNL with our parents, and it does seem like

40:09

maybe your parents had, and it's also so funny.

40:11

You've taken it so much farther than Josh and

40:13

I, and you were just plugged into, I feel,

40:15

all American culture. And your parents, did they just

40:17

not plug into it at all? Not

40:19

at all. Did not grow up

40:21

with cable, so Saturdays was me adjusting

40:24

the bunny ears to go from

40:26

Fox, from Mac TV, which

40:28

I got clearer. I got clearer picture of

40:30

Fox, and then going to

40:32

NBC, I mean, well, it's a little fuzzier, but,

40:34

you know, Bernie Spears is hosting, so I have

40:36

to watch. But then

40:38

traveling on any trip, like my dad

40:41

would go to Gillette, Wyoming, once a

40:43

month, and every

40:45

now and then I would tag along with

40:47

him just to stay in

40:49

the hotel, because there was cable,

40:52

and I could watch Comedy Central, and I could watch

40:54

VH1, and I could watch all of

40:56

the cable channels, and be like, so

40:59

just the candy is on, I can, you

41:01

know, whatever. It was just, like, I really

41:03

had to find it. And, but part of,

41:06

like, the boon of travel was,

41:09

I can be in a hotel room. It doesn't

41:11

matter how shitty the hotel is, it's gonna have

41:14

cable, and

41:16

it'll be great. It is

41:18

funny remembering that cable

41:22

was often on a roadside sign for

41:24

a hotel. Yes. As a selling point.

41:27

Right. Day and age, obviously,

41:29

that seems insane, although I bet in a great

41:31

amount of the middle of the country, it's still

41:33

letting people know they have cable. But it was

41:35

true, I remember, when we

41:37

were little, even, oh my god, they're gonna have ESPN.

41:39

Like, I don't know. And it would

41:41

just, and then how frustrated my dad was that

41:44

I wanted to spend eight hours inside in Florida,

41:47

just watching cable television. No,

41:49

I would have been so happy doing that. But, and

41:52

for the most part, that's what we did, because we

41:54

would go to Chinatown, and then we would just be

41:56

at the hotel for the rest of the time, it

41:58

would be the same. Gillette Wyoming is... a

42:01

work destination for those in the explosive

42:03

mining field? It

42:05

is a huge, it is the

42:07

gosh, it's so early for me

42:09

and I'm so hungover. It

42:14

is the, it's the

42:16

Vegas for explosives in New York? Yeah,

42:18

it's the Vegas. And it's

42:20

quite, it's great. Gillette,

42:22

Wyoming, highly recommend. Interesting.

42:25

I would say that that has not come up,

42:27

I'm certain it has not come up yet on

42:29

our previous episode. I

42:31

mean, it's the most flyover a

42:34

place could be, but it

42:36

knows it and I think it

42:38

really leans into, without it being

42:40

so alienating, like the perfectly lovely

42:42

charming place. And when you say

42:44

lovely, is it like lovely for blowing

42:47

up rocks, for like blowing up

42:49

the sides of mountains to get

42:51

resources, natural resources? Yes, for that,

42:54

for watching Flavor of Love. You

42:57

can do it all. I

43:01

like that there was a time in Bowen's life

43:03

where he only thought Flavor of Love aired in

43:05

Gillette, Wyoming. But you didn't, not

43:08

only did you not have cable, you didn't fundamentally

43:10

understand how it worked. No, I didn't understand how

43:12

it worked. Like they have the best shows. So

43:16

when you, in your Canada years,

43:18

well first of all, I have an answer.

43:20

Did you ever take a, have you taken

43:23

trips back to China with your family? Oh yeah.

43:26

I have not been back since also

43:28

2016. That was a big travel year, but that was a

43:31

separate leg from Australia. But

43:34

I haven't been back since then, but we

43:36

would go like once every other year and

43:39

that was always very fun and a highlight.

43:41

And I miss my family dearly. I am

43:43

so shocked. My parents have been back since

43:45

COVID, since I've been on SNL where I've

43:47

like portrayed like Chinese, you

43:49

know, trade ministers or whatever. And like

43:51

I, first time I went

43:54

back after COVID, I was like, if you get detained

43:56

because of me, I will,

43:58

I will make it right. forgive myself. But

44:01

thankfully it's okay. It's

44:03

so far so good. Yeah. Where

44:06

in China is

44:09

your family? Do you still have family there? Yes.

44:11

Most, I think it's not, I think all

44:13

of extended family is

44:15

still there. It's just my parents, my sister and

44:17

I, who are, as far

44:20

as we know, who are outside of China in the

44:22

States. But mom is

44:24

from the province that

44:26

borders North Korea, dad is from

44:28

the province that borders Mongolia. So

44:31

there've been fun trips to cities

44:34

like right along

44:36

the river where like, I

44:39

forget which president bombed a bridge, which

44:41

American president bombed a bridge in China

44:43

that connected North Korea to China. But

44:46

battleships just like ruined on the North

44:48

Korean side where people are like living

44:50

in them. And we'll

44:53

wave at you and smile. And it's kind

44:55

of surreal. It's like, oh, you're saying

44:57

hello to like North Koreans who have no choice but

45:00

to like live in this. Anyway, it's really

45:03

intense, interesting trip to China

45:05

that were kind

45:07

of beautiful for my parents because they were just like, it

45:09

wasn't about going to Chinatown. It was like they were in

45:11

China, they were in the town was the country and it

45:13

was familiar to them. And it was very

45:16

edifying for us as children. Is

45:19

the family, how does the family feel

45:21

about your parents having left? Are

45:23

they proud of them? Are they fascinated by America? Do they

45:25

want to talk about that? Are they? I think

45:28

since I think like, it's

45:30

all kind of changed since Trump,

45:33

I think they've been

45:35

very anti, which is

45:37

makes it a little a little

45:40

touchy. I don't know, like,

45:42

I'm curious to go back

45:44

and see what they think of like,

45:47

like I never really came out

45:49

to that side of the family.

45:51

And it is, it's gonna

45:53

end like I've been very public

45:55

about it, you know, since

45:59

being on television. or whatever and I think

46:01

that headline has made its way back there. So

46:05

I don't know. But the

46:07

question was, how do they feel about, are they fascinated with

46:09

America? Yeah,

46:12

they were until, basically they were until Trump was

46:14

elected. And do

46:16

you have cousins that are your age? Yeah.

46:19

Oh, that's great. Yeah, they're my

46:21

age. I

46:23

think made for

46:25

a lonely childhood where it was just me

46:27

and my sister because extended family was not

46:31

within 5,000 miles. Yeah.

46:34

So, yeah. Yeah. And

46:37

this is quite their opportunity to talk about it

46:39

actually. Well, it's interesting too because it seems like

46:41

you never, because you immigrated not

46:43

to like go to communities, like Chinese

46:46

communities, you immigrated because your dad had a job. So

46:48

I would imagine you also didn't have that landing spot

46:50

that I feel like a lot of immigrants do where

46:52

they show up. And then even if it's not family,

46:54

it's like friends of family. Yeah. We

46:57

made friends in every

46:59

place. My

47:02

parents were very out of it, like

47:04

going to Chinese school on Sundays. And they

47:07

did go to church by the time I was

47:09

like a junior in high school because they were

47:11

like, oh, we hear there are Asian people who

47:13

go to these places. Not

47:15

for actual like spiritual religious reasons,

47:18

but just to be like, oh, it's

47:20

a social thing. Yeah, community. So, yeah,

47:22

community. And those trips, when

47:24

you would go back as kids

47:26

to China, how long a trip would that be?

47:30

Like how long would it be? It would be like

47:32

six weeks. Summer? Summer,

47:34

basically. And it was actually a

47:36

great time to buy a ton

47:38

of DVDs that cost like one

47:40

RMB each. And

47:45

we would watch like every

47:47

Tarantino movie, like every like,

47:51

like, like, we really got our sort of like my

47:53

sister and I would just watch DVDs at my grandpa's

47:55

computer because that was the only thing that he had

47:57

in the house that could play them. So

48:02

you're saying your cable in America was

48:04

so bad that the best place for

48:06

you to watch American movies was on

48:08

your Chinese grandfather's computer. Yes. We

48:11

were media starved, you guys. So

48:13

I apologize, this is now where

48:16

my geography ignorance will come through. So

48:18

how far apart does your mom's family

48:20

and dad's family live? So

48:23

there's this big crazy story. Inner

48:27

Mongolia is basically due west

48:30

of Liaoning, which is

48:32

my mom's province. But they're

48:34

kind of on the same, what is it, latitude. But

48:38

dad's family was very

48:41

rural, uneducated, were

48:44

in arid subsistence

48:47

farmers in Inner Mongolia. And

48:49

mom's side of the family

48:51

was academics and

48:55

grandma was a doctor. And

48:58

basically, once they

49:00

got married, there was this big project

49:03

to pull them out of the countryside,

49:05

which is very interesting.

49:07

I think it was for the best,

49:10

but there is some residual

49:12

tension within the family of the parents. And

49:14

they were like, oh, we were kind of

49:17

snatched out of this perfectly lovely provincial thing

49:21

that we made work. Why

49:23

was your mom there? How

49:25

did your parents meet? They

49:28

were in the same generation of

49:31

students who were after

49:33

the Cultural Revolution. During the Cultural

49:35

Revolution, Mao didn't let anybody go

49:38

to college, basically, or travel outside

49:41

the country for school. So they were

49:43

in that first class of people who

49:46

could matriculate

49:49

to all these different places. And

49:52

basically, my mom got set up by

49:54

this person who got

49:57

wheeled into my mom's hospital. She was a doctor. And she

49:59

was like, And this woman was just

50:01

like, you should meet, really. And

50:03

then the rest is history. I

50:06

have no idea what those dates were.

50:08

I don't really want to know. Is

50:10

that bad? No, I agree.

50:12

It doesn't like, the very

50:14

fact that it started with a woman getting

50:16

wheeled in, just feel like

50:20

the beginning of a weird short

50:22

story. Right, I don't know. And

50:25

it's something about me like

50:27

not inquiring more about that. I

50:29

don't know what that says. Like my sister

50:31

really wants to dig into like all the family

50:33

history stuff and I'm a little bit more. Well

50:35

just let her do it then. And you can

50:38

have her report back. Right, exactly. That

50:40

is her, yeah, that's the way I feel

50:42

like that's her gray barrier reef. Like Josh,

50:45

she's like, this is one of the gray

50:47

wonders. I'm like, eh. And

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52:42

I am eight years old. Okay.

52:45

This is 98, this is, I'm coming from

52:47

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52:51

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52:53

age that, because

52:55

this is right after Columbine and Jominy Ramsey, which

52:58

both took place in Colorado, I was like, this

53:00

is where people go to die in the US. And

53:05

my mom was late to pick me up from school one day,

53:07

like my first week in the fourth grade, my mom was late

53:10

to pick me up from school, 10

53:12

minutes late. And I

53:15

am hysterically crying because

53:17

I'm convinced that someone

53:19

like, I've carjacked her and

53:21

like murdered her just

53:23

in the streets. I was so perturbed

53:26

by the idea that we were living in

53:31

the US, which was culturally, which wasn't even

53:33

that different from Montreal materially.

53:36

It was just like the

53:38

concept of living in America was terrifying to

53:40

me. Yeah, wow. But there

53:42

I was, yeah. And that was before

53:44

you even got there, you were just

53:46

terrified about the idea? Yeah,

53:49

because it was, I don't know, there

53:52

was just like a lot of, I

53:55

think I was reckoning with like death because

53:58

it was after Diana too. They'll likely

54:00

was of the athletes murder was like in

54:02

the culture and I enter now like I

54:05

was like weird a weird time to grow

54:07

up and realize and will how is your

54:09

system to move couple years older was the

54:11

excitement around with or see was excited I

54:13

think she I think she'd said his. And

54:17

a new assimilated unsightly better because we

54:19

were coming from seeking. Friends.

54:21

All the time. Dirty rotten friends. The clinic.

54:23

My friends. all the time. You like this

54:26

Remember she wants me to school and daily

54:28

first day of school she walking it's once

54:30

you like. Okay so. Adamant.

54:32

And in English you call it a period you and a sense

54:34

with a period and it's a noun and it's of or it

54:36

like like she was like template. Doing. Quit

54:39

translations for me for like

54:41

grammar stuff, sense and glass

54:43

and I. Yeah. And it's

54:45

I don't know why that sticks out like I've

54:47

indelibly remember that on, but C and C kind

54:50

of. I think she likes found her people like

54:52

pretty quickly and licks it still. Is.

54:55

Friends with those. People from middle

54:57

school? where's I have completely cut off. All.

55:00

Contact with people from Colorado which is would? I don't

55:02

know what that says about me either. The

55:04

unlucky you got out alive. Soon

55:09

and I thought of matters. That's

55:11

all that matters. My my always.

55:13

These were Gillette Wyoming. Mans.

55:16

on a know like one of her house had

55:18

like gallic South Park on I was just so

55:20

late. And. If needed to

55:22

late leave and get outta dodge Colorado

55:24

such a certain natural playgrounds did you

55:27

take advantage of that? sounds like you

55:29

just want to be in a hotel

55:31

room watching television but did you do

55:33

any of the sort of the rivers,

55:36

the mountains, the forests this sort of

55:38

colorado what we think of is colorado

55:40

stuff was with kind is dead it

55:42

was kind of decide what everyone that

55:45

like even com insert you you going

55:47

to school on monday and people would

55:49

be like. That. sitter gone

55:51

across the like what you to do this

55:53

we get along like half the classic like

55:56

we went to veil and totally foreign concept

55:58

to us on by the time I was

56:00

in high school again, like that's when my parents were like,

56:02

Oh, I guess there are, there are these things called ski

56:04

resorts in the mountains and we can go to those.

56:08

And we did it. So what, but one

56:10

of like the hair, like the trip that like stuck out

56:13

to me when I was asked

56:15

to be on this podcast was

56:17

a trip to Yellowstone and

56:21

also involves like

56:24

maybe like the great barrier. Like there

56:26

was just a really harrowing incident at

56:29

old faithful. And I'm

56:31

coming and I'm coming into this

56:33

whole thing, like a

56:35

notoriously bad storyteller with like

56:38

a really spotty memory. And so please forgive

56:40

me if like this is such a lurchy.

56:43

Okay, great. I'm telling. So

56:45

this was, this was a time when

56:48

grandma was here. My

56:50

mom's parents had come to stay with

56:52

us for about a year. It

56:56

was 11 12 and we

56:58

were going up to Yellowstone. Why did they

57:00

come for a year? Was it just, we

57:02

want to see our family and our kids.

57:05

Okay. This is kind of

57:07

a common thing for at least for like

57:09

Chinese families who could like pay for

57:11

it, who had immigrated, like, yeah, like

57:15

we're getting the, we're getting grandma and grandpa. We're

57:17

getting the parents, like the negative one generation,

57:20

the zeroth generation, you know,

57:22

to come and stay with us for an extended

57:25

amount of time. We'll get them

57:27

the visas, whatever. So

57:30

they've come. We they

57:32

really wanted to see the natural

57:34

beauty of not only Colorado,

57:36

but Wyoming and Utah

57:38

and Montana or whatever. So

57:41

we drove up to Yellowstone. We

57:44

get told faithful the movie, the movie that way back

57:46

must have been mentioned on this podcast, right? But that

57:48

probably gets a lot of play on this podcast, right?

57:51

The way back, the way back. It's

57:53

the Nat Faxon movie about a kid who's like

57:55

in the back of the van. I know what

57:57

you're talking about, but it has not first mentioned.

58:00

How. Could really it was it the way

58:02

way back, the way way back I

58:04

missing way. I'm sorry I think the

58:06

way bad way like some ah some

58:09

like war move on the success that

58:11

yeah Mad Max in the way way

58:13

back when I feel like people talk

58:15

about those cars but we haven't any

58:17

specific reference to the way way back

58:19

off of that movie out that whole

58:21

Yellowstone trip was that movie basically where

58:23

I was just in the back. Taking

58:27

up the whole row I'm just

58:29

like playing gameboy and listening to

58:31

like the Pokemon The First Movie

58:33

soundtrack. but we were driving through

58:35

Yellowstone and I'm gets old faithful.

58:39

Basically what habit the short version of the

58:41

story is. My.

58:44

Mom go to like pick up

58:46

a brochure or something. And.

58:48

She likes splits off from the group. Bites.

58:53

And I kind of tag along to go

58:55

with her. but then I hear like most

58:57

and ah. The guys are and

58:59

a to turn and this is this is

59:02

this is not like hot this is nuts

59:04

the ha ha funny it's quite hearing but

59:06

I think I think that the there there's

59:08

a moment the I find hilarious even though

59:11

it's very stressful. Grandma's.

59:13

On the grounds. Of

59:16

of fall has to to a

59:18

as take it and it's I'm.

59:21

I panicked. Believe.

59:24

That it is because his meds My grandmother.

59:26

I love her. We've also establish you. Were.

59:29

Your mama salmon's late again from school, you

59:32

panic, so know when things nobody thinks it's

59:34

weird, the pan agree grandmother had a. Is

59:36

is a perfect sort of like concentric circle

59:38

around that that story is. think I'm a

59:41

mom had had been murdered. I

59:43

see grim on the grounds. I.

59:45

Made waves are I'm sort

59:47

of between grammar and Mom

59:49

and I turn. And

59:52

runs my mother. And

59:55

I Scream. Mom's

1:00:00

dead! I

1:00:08

hope our laughing is because she's not dead. Because

1:00:10

she was not dead. Yeah, no, go and I'll

1:00:12

be so mad right now. And she was. And

1:00:15

she had died. I

1:00:20

think my mom still hates

1:00:22

me a little bit to this day

1:00:24

for doing that. I

1:00:27

think for 45 seconds she

1:00:30

believed that her mother had passed away. Or

1:00:32

a terrible accident had happened. And

1:00:35

basically what happened was, rolled

1:00:38

her ankle or something and was on the ground.

1:00:40

And she was

1:00:43

just in a wheelchair for about a week and

1:00:45

that was it. No big deal. Was it? Had

1:00:50

Old Faithful gone off? No.

1:00:54

We didn't even see it go.

1:00:56

I fucking hate Yellowstone.

1:00:58

Can I just say, for that

1:01:01

memory, and nothing happens when you're there

1:01:03

and the bikes that are going to kill you. It's

1:01:07

such a bad deal. I

1:01:10

love when I'm so lined up with a

1:01:12

guest. Yeah, my dream. Well,

1:01:15

yeah. Bowen is very sad. I

1:01:18

feel like that's what we're getting. I've still never

1:01:20

been there and boy oh boy, I'd love to

1:01:22

go. Would you love to go? The

1:01:26

Yank family in the car, what are you guys speaking? On a

1:01:28

different place. We're speaking like language wise? Yeah.

1:01:32

Mandarin. It's all Mandarin. Okay, so it's all

1:01:34

Mandarin. And are your parents always like,

1:01:36

because you're so bad at it?

1:01:39

I mean, no, you know what? We're

1:01:43

such rotten kids. We would make fun

1:01:45

of our parents all the time for their broken English, but

1:01:50

they never, not once gave

1:01:54

us any guff for seeking terrible Chinese. And they

1:01:56

could have. I mean, our Chinese was so bad.

1:01:59

I mean, Yeah, now

1:02:01

I can feel it slipping through my fingers and if

1:02:03

I don't use it every day, then if I don't

1:02:05

FaceTime my parents, I can feel it sort of, I

1:02:07

can feel the drop off, but back then, yeah, that's

1:02:09

all we spoke. When you're all

1:02:11

in the car going on a trip like this, are

1:02:14

your parents pretty chill? Was

1:02:16

your dad high strung? High

1:02:19

strung. I don't

1:02:22

think my family knows anything about being

1:02:24

chill and I love them for it.

1:02:27

Right. Now, they're great. Now

1:02:29

with the grandkids, now with my sister's

1:02:31

kids, everyone's kind of, they're the focal

1:02:33

point now. We've all sort of built

1:02:36

everything around them and it's about getting

1:02:39

the vibe going for those

1:02:41

people. But

1:02:46

the car was really, yeah, pretty

1:02:48

stressful. We were just like really

1:02:52

obnoxious children who

1:02:57

only saw the trips as an inconvenience,

1:03:00

especially the road ones. And did you and your sister

1:03:02

get along on a road trip? I

1:03:04

would say for the most part because all we

1:03:06

had was each other's company. But

1:03:10

we were on very different modes. I

1:03:13

was very much into playing the

1:03:15

Game Boy and she was very

1:03:19

much about like managing

1:03:22

the rotation of CDs. I had

1:03:24

to be like five

1:03:27

Celine Dion albums and then maybe

1:03:29

one Backstreet Boys thing.

1:03:31

It was just like she was DJing. And

1:03:34

this was okay with your parents to listen to Celine Dion?

1:03:36

Yes. Oh, okay. Definitely for

1:03:38

mom. Coming from Quebec, she was like

1:03:41

all parties could agree that Celine

1:03:44

was okay. And Backstreet Boys, any

1:03:46

pushback son? No, I

1:03:48

mean, dad would get,

1:03:50

dad was so patient but then by like

1:03:52

hour five, he'd be like, can we please

1:03:54

listen to some like sax

1:03:57

heavy cantaloupe pop? You

1:04:00

want hours of that. Cantonese

1:04:02

pop? Cantonese pop, yeah. Oh great. So

1:04:05

he brought his cultural taste from home. Yes,

1:04:07

yes. And there's some

1:04:10

great tunes from like really,

1:04:13

really cool funky looking

1:04:15

Chinese singers that I'm

1:04:18

very grateful to be exposed

1:04:20

to those people from death. I

1:04:25

had never seen a boy

1:04:27

band in my life and saw Backstreet Boys

1:04:29

a couple years ago coming out of the

1:04:31

pandemic at the Hollywood Bowl. And I had

1:04:34

so much fun. It was

1:04:36

so great. It was like the nicest crowd

1:04:38

I feel like I've ever been a part

1:04:40

of. I

1:04:42

saw zero instruments. I don't know if

1:04:44

there were instruments in the building. No

1:04:47

problem. And it was great. It was

1:04:49

really. Was there a choreo forward? Absolutely.

1:04:52

And they were I've never seen

1:04:54

choreography as tight. I feel like

1:04:57

I mean, I'm sure I haven't seen the Rockettes. I

1:05:00

know that's sort of can get hypnotized by it. But

1:05:04

it was like if someone's hand

1:05:07

gestures started above their head and like

1:05:09

finished at their waist and like snapped,

1:05:11

it was it was so

1:05:13

tight. And it was yeah, it was

1:05:15

great. It was great. Something about and

1:05:17

all respect to the Rockettes and any

1:05:20

female groups that do

1:05:22

that dance in synchronization, but something

1:05:25

about men just

1:05:28

doing the same like like five of them like

1:05:31

five of them dancing at the same time

1:05:33

is so mesmerizing. And it really like lights

1:05:35

something up in me. When

1:05:37

BTS was the musical guest at SNL on

1:05:40

Thursday at the rewrite table, you can see

1:05:42

the monitor. You can watch the musical guest

1:05:44

rehearse. All of

1:05:47

us in the writers room sound

1:05:49

totally mute. Like we're

1:05:52

not hearing anything, but we're just seeing these boys like

1:05:55

pop and lock and do all these dance

1:05:58

moves and everyone just starts gasping. and

1:06:00

cheering, all of us tired,

1:06:02

bedraggled writers, just so

1:06:05

invigorated by watching these

1:06:07

boys dance in unison. It's

1:06:10

also like when they find people to

1:06:12

be in those groups, they obviously have

1:06:14

a set of skills that's like, oh,

1:06:16

you're uniquely qualified to be in this.

1:06:18

You're a very good dancer, you're a

1:06:20

very good singer. And

1:06:22

so there shouldn't be a bad

1:06:24

apple among them. No. It would

1:06:26

be really good if there was one guy who was just... Why

1:06:29

is he here again? Because his dad's

1:06:31

the producer. Yeah. Would you...

1:06:34

Do you guys... I feel like I'm

1:06:36

picturing you guys in your developmental

1:06:38

days of figuring out where your talents are.

1:06:40

You two could have taken something on the

1:06:42

road and been a dancing duo. You know,

1:06:44

the thing we had that was not taken

1:06:46

on the road, but it was like the

1:06:48

parents... Our parents would make us do it

1:06:51

for every guest. There

1:06:53

was a K-TEL Motown commercial

1:06:55

where it was like all the hits of

1:06:57

Motowns and they played like

1:07:00

five seconds from each song. And Josh and I could

1:07:02

do the whole medley. Wow. It

1:07:05

was a commercial that we sort of learned

1:07:07

because the commercial ran so much. So often,

1:07:10

yeah. And so we knew every... It was

1:07:12

like a... It was a live... We would

1:07:14

do a live mashup essentially. I'll

1:07:17

be there. Stop in the

1:07:19

name. It was like that sort of... Wow.

1:07:23

We did. We should relearn it.

1:07:26

Gosh. Yeah. I

1:07:29

think that's something that's... For our listeners, you know, that's

1:07:31

coming. Wow. We'll have

1:07:33

to do that live because there's always that little

1:07:35

delay on Zoom. We could... Yeah. Yeah.

1:07:39

Yeah. I do want to ask and then

1:07:41

we're going to let you go, but you talked about it last

1:07:43

time you were on my show and you alluded to it. So

1:07:46

you do take a trip to New York and you do come

1:07:48

to 30 Rock and this is... You

1:07:51

are already aged now where you are.

1:07:53

I'm sorry. I didn't see you on my

1:07:55

show. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I

1:07:58

didn't see you on my show. But I was like, it's a bit of a hit-and-hit. aspiring

1:08:00

towards SNL, it has a major cultural significance

1:08:02

to you. Is this something your parents are

1:08:04

like, let's go to New York for Bowen?

1:08:08

Not at all. Because...

1:08:13

And I wasn't even aspiring to SNL, I don't

1:08:15

think. Because not to get all, but I was

1:08:17

just like, I really never saw myself

1:08:20

on the show. I mean, it was my

1:08:22

favorite thing in the world. I never saw myself on it. Yes.

1:08:25

Right. I heard you talk about this. There

1:08:28

are multiple people who, multiple alums who have this

1:08:30

attitude, right? Like,

1:08:32

my manager, my first audition

1:08:36

round, it was just like, my manager was like, you

1:08:38

should send in a tape. I was like, great, I'm

1:08:40

going to have fun and do whatever I want because

1:08:42

they're never going to hire an effeminate Asian guy. And

1:08:46

so I did my Michiko Kakutani. I did all these things that

1:08:48

I was like, no one is going to... This

1:08:50

is just for me. Anyway.

1:08:52

The trip to New York was just

1:08:56

so that my mom and dad could go

1:08:58

visit Columbia for my sister. And we took

1:09:00

like an NYU tour and it was just

1:09:02

for colleges. But the stake that

1:09:04

I had in that trip was just to go to 30

1:09:07

Rock, take the tour. I

1:09:11

was very geeked out on visiting the

1:09:13

Conan stage. And is that

1:09:16

AG? No, that's six. Conan

1:09:18

was on six. Conan was on six, but

1:09:21

across the hall from us. Yes,

1:09:23

yes. And

1:09:25

did that. It was like

1:09:28

a huge Conan head at the

1:09:30

time, still am. And

1:09:33

then that same day we went to the Gershwin

1:09:35

Theatre and then we couldn't afford tickets to Wicked,

1:09:37

so I just stood outside the theatre. And

1:09:42

now have your parents taken... How often did

1:09:44

they take trips here to see you now?

1:09:47

Pretty often. Or my mom's retired and

1:09:49

so she really pushes for... She

1:09:53

really wants to come at all times and

1:09:55

I really have to... Like,

1:09:59

what do we do, guys? Like what's, what

1:10:02

guilt should I be feeling about being like,

1:10:04

I don't think you should come, because I

1:10:06

have a guest room in my apartment and

1:10:08

she, and that is the perfect

1:10:12

way in for her to be like, well I'll just

1:10:14

stay and I'll clean the apartment for you. Like she's

1:10:16

being so lovely about it, but like

1:10:18

I don't know how to feel. Does she want to

1:10:20

come to SNL? She

1:10:23

would love to come to SNL. She

1:10:26

has been there for the Mother's Day show. She's

1:10:29

been on camera for the Mother's Day show. Combo

1:10:31

guys, crew guys on the floor are

1:10:34

always asking about her in such a sweet way. She

1:10:36

was a big hit with the

1:10:38

crew. And

1:10:40

now they watch every week, but I don't

1:10:42

think they, I still don't know if they

1:10:44

totally understand what's happening. Right. That's a tricky

1:10:46

one because I will say, one, I think it's

1:10:48

really, you know, it's hard to say no to

1:10:51

parents. Two, as somebody who now

1:10:53

fully appreciates how finite my time

1:10:55

at SNL was, you

1:10:58

wish I could go back and have, you know

1:11:00

what I mean? It's a different week when I'm

1:11:02

a mom there, right? I know. Do

1:11:05

you have close to Chinatown? I

1:11:07

don't, I don't. Okay, I was worried that you

1:11:10

did. I was gonna say you have to move

1:11:12

further away from Chinatown because maybe that's a draw

1:11:14

for your mother. Oh, totally. No,

1:11:18

but she'll, they'll come

1:11:20

soon. And it's always lovely. And it's actually,

1:11:22

to go back

1:11:24

to like the sort

1:11:26

of social break, like breakout thing,

1:11:28

like from the Australia trip, it's like now I

1:11:30

do feel comfortable. I mean, like I'm gonna go

1:11:33

see some friends and get a drink. Yeah.

1:11:36

Are you guys okay? Just hang me at the apartment,

1:11:38

at the hotel, kind of make

1:11:40

you guys a dinner reservation, whatever. And then they're like, yeah, whatever.

1:11:43

And they're very chill. Do they always come together? They

1:11:46

typically come together. That's a nice

1:11:48

thing. I will say our parents are

1:11:50

the same way. Yeah, it's like sometimes

1:11:52

my dad will be in New York for business without

1:11:54

her, but it's very sweet how

1:11:57

they, they do like to be together.

1:12:00

Yeah, I think they will come

1:12:02

here for the Culture

1:12:04

Awards in June. This

1:12:07

is the Las Culturista Awards. Where are you

1:12:10

holding them? They are at

1:12:12

King's Theatre. It's a massive theatre in

1:12:14

Brooklyn. Big Theatre, big beautiful theatre

1:12:16

in Brooklyn. If you guys happen to

1:12:18

be in town, we would love to have you. I'm very

1:12:20

excited. No. It's June. It's

1:12:23

June 15th. If you guys are in town with love,

1:12:27

love culture, we're

1:12:29

celebrating a very niche, specific

1:12:31

culture for two gay men

1:12:33

in their 30s. I hope that

1:12:35

it can be enjoyed for all. Well, I want

1:12:37

to say that this is a podcast that I am

1:12:41

very outside the culture that you guys love

1:12:44

and the way you talk about it. It

1:12:47

doesn't matter. Wow. That's

1:12:50

it. It's the joy of the way. It's listening

1:12:52

to people speak of things with joy makes you

1:12:54

really enjoy them. You

1:12:57

know who I saw, by the way? Who?

1:13:00

I saw Michelle Williams. Yes.

1:13:03

And I told her, I'm like, I don't know if

1:13:05

you listen to Las Culturistas, but they had very nice

1:13:07

things to say about you reading the Britney Spears book

1:13:09

on tape. And she was like, I

1:13:11

mean, if you could imagine. Like,

1:13:17

oh, that was a very good Michelle Williams. Oh,

1:13:20

thank you. And I was a nonverbal. So,

1:13:22

you know, definitely jump over to YouTube, everybody.

1:13:24

To watch my very good. Michelle

1:13:27

Williams. I

1:13:30

that's really great about I think it's very

1:13:33

sweet that your parents want to come. And I think that

1:13:35

speaks very, very highly of you as

1:13:37

a as a son. But

1:13:40

thank you for that perspective, though, about,

1:13:43

you know, just like wishing like a

1:13:46

different week when parents are here. Yeah, it's a different week. I

1:13:48

will say my I mean, again, I was

1:13:50

on that show for 12 and a half years. And

1:13:52

I think that was literally the gap between Mother's Day

1:13:54

shows. And there

1:13:57

was a real and so my mom never and. Don't

1:14:00

worry, she's got plenty of camera time on a late

1:14:02

night. But

1:14:04

I do feel as though she was robbed from her. Yeah.

1:14:07

That was, you know, I think the Mother's Day

1:14:09

show is a really special thing. They're very sweet.

1:14:13

It's just very cute to watch them all talk to each

1:14:15

other. That is the, I mean that's the part

1:14:17

I wish I could have seen. Yeah, right?

1:14:19

Oh, like watching like, Ego's

1:14:21

mom talk to my mom, talk to Pete's mom, like it

1:14:23

was just like, there was something really, oh

1:14:26

my god, and then Cecily's mom went out to dinner with

1:14:28

my parents, and then like both of

1:14:30

us were on a pre tape on Friday, like

1:14:32

at 1 a.m. being like, our parents got like

1:14:35

dumplings together, isn't that so sweet? That's

1:14:37

very weird. Thanks. All

1:14:40

right, you, this has just been very special talking

1:14:42

to you as it always is, Bowen. And now

1:14:44

Josh is gonna ask you some questions that we

1:14:46

ask all of our guests. Yes. All

1:14:49

right, here we go. You can only

1:14:51

pick one of these. Is your ideal

1:14:53

vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational? Relaxing.

1:14:57

What is your favorite means

1:14:59

of transportation? Train, plane, automobile,

1:15:01

bike? I

1:15:05

am gonna say, I'm gonna say

1:15:07

train. Train with like a

1:15:10

surface to play like a card game on.

1:15:13

What's your card game of choice? Okay.

1:15:17

I just watched the Sting for the first

1:15:19

time, and it's made me

1:15:21

wanna play poker. I have no idea how

1:15:23

to play poker, but we play this game

1:15:25

in Chinese, it's called zen chang yo, but

1:15:27

it's very, it's quick

1:15:29

and it's fun. It's like, I don't know.

1:15:32

I think I might start

1:15:34

a club and really popularize it in the West.

1:15:37

Standard deck of cards to play the game? Standard deck

1:15:39

of cards, yes. Okay, great. Deeply fun.

1:15:42

I was looking at a card, I was playing like a dumb

1:15:44

card game with my kids the other day. They

1:15:46

nailed it, man. Whenever they nailed cards, they nailed

1:15:48

it. Yeah. Everybody was like, yep,

1:15:50

this is good. We don't have to change it

1:15:52

all. The world

1:15:54

over. Yeah. What

1:15:58

if the numbers went up to 20? It's like, no. This

1:16:00

is good. We're good with this forever. Excellent.

1:16:05

If you could take a vacation with

1:16:07

any family other than your

1:16:09

own family, alive or dead, fictional

1:16:12

or real, what family would you

1:16:14

like to take a family vacation

1:16:16

with? Wow. I had the fantasy of

1:16:18

being a Von Trapp child. And so I mean,

1:16:21

I'm going to save on traps. Oh, my God,

1:16:23

the Julie Andrews episode. I know. Right. Yeah. It

1:16:26

was. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still a

1:16:28

gog. Um, if

1:16:31

you had to be stranded on a desert island

1:16:33

with one member of your family, who would it

1:16:35

be? I

1:16:39

oh, my God. I'm

1:16:41

going to say. Dad,

1:16:44

because dad and I have have

1:16:46

done one on one trips together

1:16:48

and have had great success and

1:16:50

scrappiness. Were they just the Gillette,

1:16:52

Wyoming? So did you have other one on one?

1:16:54

No, there were there were other. Well, there were

1:16:56

the end. This is this is a little dark,

1:16:58

too. But like he would drive me down to

1:17:00

Colorado Springs for conversion. And

1:17:03

those were fun trips. They

1:17:06

were not fun trips, but they were. But like we

1:17:08

would bond in the car like we would like we

1:17:10

would like. It was like. It

1:17:13

was like genuine connection that we

1:17:15

hadn't had. And the circumstances

1:17:18

in the context were so crazy and

1:17:20

dark and bad and sad. But I

1:17:22

think it ended up being OK. Were

1:17:25

the drives home? Did you get a sense

1:17:27

that he was. Wanted

1:17:30

to say so. How did it go? I mean,

1:17:32

we're yeah. Talk about the actual therapy on the

1:17:34

drive. So we talked about the actual therapy on

1:17:36

the drive home because she was just like, am

1:17:38

I getting what I am? Am

1:17:41

I getting my money's worth? But it was just

1:17:43

like. A great

1:17:46

time to just like put on music and

1:17:48

talk and shoot the breeze. And yeah, yeah.

1:17:51

I imagine also with the subject matter sort

1:17:53

of at hand that was brought

1:17:55

to the fore, I think everything else is sort

1:17:57

of easier to talk about a little bit because.

1:18:00

of, yeah, because conversion therapy is the

1:18:02

whole reason for the trip. Right. And

1:18:04

I think he

1:18:08

would go into these like beautiful,

1:18:10

I don't know, like polemics about

1:18:12

how like the woman's body is

1:18:14

the most beautiful thing of all. Anyway,

1:18:18

if my dad had done that, it would have probably

1:18:20

converted me to gay. Yeah. Now,

1:18:24

did you, do you feel like,

1:18:27

because again, how many years

1:18:29

later would you say acceptance took? Like,

1:18:33

it was kind of, it wasn't totally linear, but

1:18:35

I would say basically,

1:18:37

I want to say like 2017, 2018. It was like...

1:18:42

How many years after conversion therapy was that? That

1:18:44

was 10. Oh, wow.

1:18:46

He worked for the full decade of like, oh,

1:18:49

like this is... Gotcha. Try to get

1:18:51

his money back. He

1:18:54

should have. Yeah. He should have. It

1:18:56

didn't work. Yeah. It didn't work. But it is, I,

1:18:59

there is, I mean, again, that is a terrible reason,

1:19:01

obviously, and that is a dark reason. And yet you

1:19:03

do realize that the core, and it speaks to where

1:19:05

you are with your family now, like, right, it was

1:19:07

a bad instinct that came

1:19:10

from love. Of course. Of course. And it's very

1:19:12

sweet to think of you guys in the car

1:19:14

and him. I don't know. There's something very loving

1:19:16

about it. Oh, yeah. No, it's all, it's all

1:19:18

love. And it's, we laugh about it now. Um,

1:19:22

well, that's great. Truly.

1:19:25

What's, what do you consider your hometown?

1:19:27

Is it, is it Denver? I

1:19:30

consider it Denver. Aurora. Colorado. Yeah.

1:19:32

Okay. Um, yeah. And

1:19:34

would you recommend Aurora as a

1:19:37

vacation destination? Not at

1:19:39

all. Okay. Very good. I

1:19:42

like the guests that don't. We do have some guests

1:19:44

where their answer is definitely not at all. And they

1:19:46

put a lot more front on it where they're like,

1:19:48

no, don't get me wrong. It's one of, and I

1:19:51

like that you just went right into it. No, I

1:19:53

don't think anyone from there, I mean, it's a lovely

1:19:55

people live there. Too late. Absolutely.

1:19:57

Too late. Too late. No

1:20:01

one would vouch for that to be a

1:20:03

vacation destination either. Like from there. Yeah. I'd

1:20:06

be careful if you went back after the way you just

1:20:08

said it. Plus we also know you cut off all your

1:20:10

middle school friends. And

1:20:15

then Seth's got a couple finishers. Have

1:20:18

you been to the Grand Canyon? I have. And

1:20:21

is it worth it? It is. I'll

1:20:23

have very little memory of it. But I want

1:20:25

to say yes. Interesting. Seth wants

1:20:27

you to say no. I do. I

1:20:30

mean, this is we're finally diverging here late in the

1:20:32

podcast. Okay. But Grand Canyon is

1:20:34

different from Yellowstone because it's just

1:20:36

about like your view.

1:20:38

Like you are seeing so

1:20:41

much world from wherever

1:20:43

you stand. Whereas Yellowstone, I'm like, I have fucking

1:20:45

trees in my way. You know what I mean?

1:20:51

When you pull into Yellowstone, the rangers do say,

1:20:53

and sorry about all the trees. We're

1:20:58

working on that. We're

1:21:00

trying to get the world to tell us jail built

1:21:02

here. That's something other. China

1:21:05

Town got it. All right. So

1:21:09

how old were you when you went? I

1:21:13

think this was a leg of that old

1:21:15

face of that Yellowstone trip. And I did

1:21:17

remember enjoying the Grand Canyon more. So I

1:21:19

was like, yeah, 11, 12. Grandma

1:21:23

had just almost died. Well, certainly I

1:21:25

will say, given the two, the

1:21:28

two places, it's better that your grandma took

1:21:30

a hetero. What

1:21:36

a delight it has been to talk to you, Bowen.

1:21:40

I hope it wasn't juicing a stone. I

1:21:43

hope I had things to give. You

1:21:45

did. And you have more to give.

1:21:47

So if you have more to give, don't feel like

1:21:49

you're depleted. All right.

1:21:52

I love you, Bowen. Love you guys. Thank

1:21:55

you so much. Bye. Grandparents

1:22:04

came to stay, but

1:22:06

so went long ago. It

1:22:09

took a family holiday, which

1:22:11

is where they did

1:22:13

go. They traveled

1:22:15

up to Yellowstone,

1:22:18

and wild old

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Faithful Sea. Grandma

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went down, he heard her groan,

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and that's when Grandma

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went down, she took her

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bow, she took her real

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bad bow.