0:00

Hey, Pashy. Hey, Sufi. You

0:02

took a very exciting trip this

0:04

weekend. It was fantastic.

0:07

The improv troupe that you and I were

0:09

both a part of at

0:11

Northwestern University turned 50, which

0:15

is crazy that an improv troupe started in 1974,

0:17

and so many alumni were back. It

0:22

was so emotional.

0:26

There were panel discussions, and I don't

0:28

know if I've ever sat in

0:31

a room for four back-to-back-to-back-to-back

0:33

panel discussions, but it was— You did

0:35

four panels in a row? I mean,

0:38

I watched two of them. I hosted one of them, and

0:40

I was in one of them. There was

0:42

also a presentation of the history of the

0:44

Meow Show, which I found fascinating. Yeah,

0:49

it was so much fun. It was

0:51

such a great community. It is such

0:53

a great community to be a part

0:55

of, and yeah, it was

0:57

a real treat. You

1:00

were missed. I was very

1:02

upset that I couldn't be there because I don't want

1:04

anybody listening for a second to think that I did

1:06

not also make our college improv troupe. Your

1:10

senior year, you hadn't previously made it. How

1:12

many years were you in it? Two.

1:16

Yeah. I did audition every year and only got in my

1:18

senior year. I didn't even know it

1:20

was a show until you got in it.

1:23

Gotcha. So you're saying

1:25

now you maybe would have gotten in even earlier? Probably. And

1:29

the year you got in— You could

1:31

have knocked me out. Well, the

1:33

year you got in, we were sharing a

1:35

job of we were tutoring to high school

1:38

kids in a northern

1:40

suburb, and you asked

1:43

if I could do that whole

1:45

week of tutoring. And I was like, sure, because more

1:47

money for me works for me. And at the end of

1:49

that week, you were like, hey, I got casted me out.

1:51

And I was like, what's that? And you were like, it's

1:53

this improv thing. Like, that's why I needed

1:55

you to work all week. And

1:57

I was very upset. Yeah. I

2:00

pulled a fast one on you. Yeah, because

2:03

I was the theater kid and you

2:05

were the radio TV film kid That's

2:07

right. And I should have known about it.

2:09

Yeah. Well, that's the problem. You see their kids never know when

2:11

you Fast ones being pulled on

2:13

you. I should also note that

2:15

both of the kids we tutored are now

2:17

rocket scientists I don't know about

2:19

that Had

2:24

a couple of improv kids as tutors is not their fault

2:26

Yeah, it was but yeah this weekend

2:29

was great the organizers did a real

2:31

bang-up job and I feel like they wanted

2:34

a Lot

2:36

of current students to be

2:38

sort of interested. There's you know, there's

2:41

some some big names out there Eric

2:43

Gilliland one of the sort

2:45

of Roseanne Showrunner

2:48

yeah executive producer Anna

2:52

Gostire was there Dermot

2:55

Mulrooney was there You

2:58

know among others so a lot of people with a

3:00

lot of success and I feel like the current cast

3:02

they were Definitely all there,

3:04

but I feel like a Saturday

3:06

afternoon from

3:10

11 to 5 in a

3:12

in the student union building in this theater

3:14

that you probably never go into as a

3:16

tough draw for a college kid also spring

3:20

like springing Yeah, it's

3:22

not a day outside. It was one of

3:24

the most beautiful days spring days I feel

3:26

like I've ever seen in Chicago and I

3:28

spent every second of it inside But

3:31

yeah, it was great. I cried multiple times

3:35

You sent a few videos around

3:38

and I could kind of tell that you were you

3:40

would either just cried or were about to There's

3:43

one I couldn't send because I couldn't get through

3:45

it because I was so choked up I

3:51

Yeah, it's really cool. It was great. It

3:53

was really really we should know so this

3:55

meow show which Josh and I both did

3:57

at Northwestern one of the alums

3:59

from The Meow Show founded

4:02

the comedy theater Boom Chicago

4:04

in Amsterdam and it sort of was a

4:06

perfect gateway for us when we auditioned for

4:08

Boom Chicago. It was

4:10

the sort of very similar audition

4:12

to our college improv troupe. And

4:15

then Boom Chicago was

4:17

almost, I mean, Meow was incredibly formative for

4:19

us, Boom Chicago was incredibly formative for us.

4:21

So this was the first step in I

4:23

think what we've been, the journey

4:25

we've been lucky enough to be on. Yeah,

4:29

and I hosted a panel about Meow

4:32

worldwide. It was sort of theaters

4:34

that started from Meow people. The

4:36

guy who created Whose Line

4:38

Is It Anyway was a

4:40

Meow guy, Dan Patterson, British TV

4:43

producer. And so

4:45

I asked him, what did

4:48

you take from Meow and

4:50

use on Whose Line, how did that transition

4:53

work? And John Rosenfeld or Pep

4:55

Rosenfeld, one of the founders of Boom

4:57

Chicago. And I was like,

4:59

what did you take? He's like, we took the

5:01

entire show. He's like, that is,

5:03

he's like, our show is Meow.

5:06

And it was absolutely true

5:08

because I flew on

5:10

June 10th of 1998. You

5:13

know, and I was still sort of a Meow cast

5:16

member at that point, I was pretty sharp. I

5:18

landed June 11th of 98 and I

5:20

did a show that day. It was

5:23

very easy for me to step into it because

5:25

it was a muscle that I had been working

5:28

out. And yeah,

5:31

without Meow, there's no Boom Chicago.

5:33

And I don't think either of

5:35

us is here today. Yeah,

5:38

I mean, we're here. We'd be around. There'd

5:41

be no podcast. Yeah,

5:44

that's really cool. My

5:47

highlight was doing some stand-up

5:50

this weekend. So it was travel, but not

5:52

particularly trippy, but did fun

5:54

shows in Royal Oak,

5:56

Michigan, which is near Detroit and then

5:59

Philadelphia. But then I took ash

6:01

to his first professional sporting event on

6:03

Sunday night. We went to a New

6:05

York Rangers game and It

6:08

was a delight. He was very excited. Also,

6:10

it's always been I've

6:13

been dreaming of the day He's been ready

6:15

to go because it is so easy to

6:17

get to Madison Square Garden from where we

6:19

live It was a 10-minute subway ride. And

6:21

so I think about when we went to

6:24

Boston. It was an hour drive Yeah

6:26

to the game and then you'd go to the game and

6:28

then the drive home was so exhausting and It

6:33

was just great and

6:35

I think he was pretty Excited

6:37

about the whole thing. We bet a dollar he

6:39

bet a dollar that the Rangers would win and

6:43

When they went up two to one halfway

6:45

through the second period he said we can

6:47

go now like as if that would make

6:50

the bed official Hockey

6:54

is so fun live. Yeah, he's just a great

6:56

game live All right I'm gonna say

6:58

this complaint will ring hollow with a lot of

7:00

people but we were given very good

7:03

seats to the Rangers Mm-hmm. They

7:05

were too low. It was too close to the ice

7:07

Like I realized you know what I mean, like if

7:10

there is you can actually get a little too

7:13

close and I think they

7:15

may be ideally we would have Been

7:17

a little bit higher up for us as first hockey game I

7:20

once got to Pittsburgh for

7:22

our annual trip to Pittsburgh with mom

7:24

and dad and yourself And

7:27

I got there a day early and so I

7:29

didn't know what to do with myself that night

7:31

And it was the penguins second game of

7:33

the season and they were home And I

7:36

was just looking on like things to do

7:38

in Pittsburgh tonight on my phone and

7:41

I bought a ticket First

7:43

row I was right behind the

7:45

Buffalo Sabres bench and What

7:48

you don't sort of realize is there

7:50

will be gigantic men Yeah,

7:53

right between you and the

7:55

glass and you're kind of

7:57

you have to like try and look around them, but

7:59

they're very big men. And

8:02

it was, yeah, it wasn't the best place to

8:04

be. But still, nice to be in the

8:06

building. The other

8:09

wonderful thing is, of course, Ash was, and I

8:12

think this is true of any kid that age, that

8:15

they're obsessed with what they're gonna eat at the

8:18

game. Oh, yeah. Snack. And so

8:20

even on the subway, he's just like, so how

8:22

many treats do I get? And I'm like, you

8:24

get two treats. Man. And

8:26

so... Kid loves treats. He loves treats.

8:30

He loves treats so much, you almost never want

8:32

to give him a treat. Basically,

8:35

yeah. And we

8:37

were in this sort

8:40

of, between periods,

8:42

we'd go into this, like, you know,

8:45

like sort of a, it was like a, what do you call

8:48

it? A VIP

8:50

type room. Okay. Everything.

8:52

Another thing that was given to you that you didn't

8:54

like? No, I loved it. The

8:56

VIP room was amazing. No complaints. No complaints about

8:58

this. But there was so, there

9:00

was everything you could imagine. Uh-huh. You

9:05

know, candy bars, popcorn, ice

9:07

cream. And I go, what do

9:09

you want, Ash? And he goes, I saw some mints. I go,

9:12

what? And there was a bowl, you know, of

9:14

that, like a lifesaver, white, you know, the white

9:16

lifesaver individually wrapped. Yeah, individual wrapped, yeah. And I

9:19

go, what mints? And he goes over here. And

9:21

he like went, and it was like by the,

9:23

like, bath, and like a weird side. Yeah. And

9:26

he goes, yeah. And he's like, where are the stink

9:28

mouse people going? Yeah. He goes,

9:30

I want some mints. And I go, all right, have a mint.

9:32

He goes, can I have two? I'm like, you can't five. Like,

9:36

if you don't want a, you know, a Mars

9:38

bar, go get five mints. Yeah. And,

9:41

uh, but then throughout the game, he just

9:43

kept tapping me and would handing me his

9:45

little crumpled up cellophane. Just

9:48

because he was just like plowing through

9:50

his mints. Mom and

9:53

dad, this is, we're

9:56

recording this a day after the eclipse, and mom

9:58

and dad were, We're

10:00

pretty close to where you could have

10:02

been in the path of totality. And

10:06

I asked, like a month ago, I asked mom, I was

10:08

like, you guys are close, are you going to go see it?

10:11

And she says, we got invited. A friend

10:13

of ours lives in Vermont and is in

10:15

the path and your father doesn't want to.

10:18

I was like, really? She was like,

10:20

yeah, he says no interest. And

10:23

so I sent him some eclipse

10:25

glasses. I'm hoping they got there in time and that

10:27

they at least went out and looked at it. I

10:31

didn't. Yeah, I know. You

10:35

know what it is for me? It's

10:37

too much pressure. Just

10:40

anytime someone's like, this is once

10:42

in a lifetime, I'm like, this is a bad

10:44

day for me. Not

10:47

once in a lifetime. No one needs to say that. But they

10:49

just say it a lot. Yeah, but I

10:51

even Googled, like when's the next one

10:53

I can go see? And I know it's 20 years

10:55

for the continental United States, but in two years, it

10:58

looks like you could go to France, maybe

11:00

Belgium. I'll have to track it. But

11:03

I mean, I go to France, fuck Belgium. Well,

11:08

at this point, I'm sort of desperate to be

11:10

in the path of totality. And I'm hoping that

11:13

two years from now, if we're still doing this

11:15

podcast, I will have just been

11:18

in the darkness and I'll be able to report back

11:20

at how life changing it is. That's

11:23

great. You could also, can

11:25

I just pitch something real quick? Yeah. Just

11:28

go turn the lights off. Yeah, okay. Thought

11:30

so. Yeah, thought coming. You

11:34

didn't think I was going to give you an actual

11:37

eclipse tip. Yeah. I mean, yesterday I

11:39

walked up to the Griffith Park Observatory in

11:41

Los Angeles, which was packed with people. The

11:44

lawn was packed. And I like, that's

11:46

another thing that I think I like that you

11:48

don't and that's community. Oh, right. Yeah,

11:51

like being part of something with a bunch of

11:53

people. And as I see

11:55

these, see footage of big

11:57

groups of people sort of cheering.

12:00

as they are sort of left

12:02

in darkness. I want to be part of

12:04

that. I think I'm

12:07

confident I will cry. Yeah.

12:10

Whereas I just like to be with my Sims. They

12:13

do what I want them to do. This

12:21

is a wonderful conversation with someone

12:24

that I have been a big fan of for a long time. I

12:27

think she is a wonderful person. And did

12:30

you enjoy our time with Jenny Slate, Josh? I

12:32

did. I actually, I also worked

12:34

with Jenny Slate once. When

12:36

I was writing ads for

12:39

Old Navy, we got Jenny to

12:41

be a voice of some socks.

12:44

And I was also a voice of some

12:46

socks. So it would be a

12:48

deep cut if we were able to find this ad. And

12:51

they said somebody watched that socks ad. And

12:53

they're like, she should be the voice of

12:56

Marcel Dachel. And he should do a podcast

12:58

with his brother. Because

13:00

he has the same voice as his brother. And that'll be fun

13:02

for people to listen to. Well, yeah.

13:06

No, but she's great. And she was lovely

13:08

to work with. And yeah, lovely to speak

13:10

with on our podcast. And a little bit

13:12

of ghost stuff. Yeah.

13:15

The most ghost stuff we've had in an

13:17

episode of Family Truth. So far. So far. Yeah,

13:19

you never know. We've had some. We've

13:21

not had some ghost stuff. But this is

13:24

the most ghost stuff. Yeah, for sure. So

13:26

if you're a celebrity and you got more

13:28

ghost stuff, come on by and try

13:31

to knock Jenny Slate off the

13:33

top spot. Before you get to that,

13:35

hey, watch this tie in. You know what album's

13:37

really good? Speaking of ghosts? What's

13:39

that? A Ghost is Born. You know who, you

13:41

know what album that is? That's a

13:44

Wilco album. You know who their lead singer is? That's

13:46

Jeff Tweedy. Give him a listen. Family

13:50

truth. The

13:52

night is from the.

13:56

Family truth.

14:00

There she

14:02

is. Jenny.

14:09

My brother is... Hello. So

14:17

Jenny, you were wearing, just for Josh real

14:19

quick, because you mentioned this to me, you

14:21

were wearing a sweatshirt that says Storm on

14:24

it. Yeah, it's embroidered.

14:26

It's embroidered. And so why didn't you

14:28

purchase a sweatshirt that says Storm on

14:30

it? Okay, so

14:34

near where I live in Silver Lake, right now I'm in

14:36

an absolutely bizarre

14:39

verbo, VRBO, whatever. They say

14:41

verbo, it's weird. What are they doing? Give

14:43

it a word. It's very, very hard. But I'm not

14:45

in my house right now. But

14:49

in Silver Lake, there's like this

14:51

beautiful husky. Being

14:54

on a little

14:56

triangle plot of land between

14:58

two roads, and it's just like

15:00

rules. It's such a pretty dog.

15:04

And when I used to smoke weed, I would

15:06

take long walks and be like, I'm going to

15:08

visit Storm. And literally sometimes he would

15:11

be busy. He would be talking to someone else.

15:13

And the first time also, I just stuck

15:15

my hand through the fence like a fucking

15:17

idiot. Like I genuinely was like, it's basically

15:19

a wolf, but whatever. And I

15:22

just was like, what's this dog's name? What is

15:24

this dog? It's so peaceful. And

15:27

I looked on her little necklace and it said,

15:29

Storm. And I was like, yes. And

15:32

then I don't even know how

15:34

I got to this point. Honestly, this is

15:36

the info that we're missing and we'll never

15:38

get it. But it was like, I'm going

15:40

to get a shirt, like merch

15:42

for Storm. This is so

15:45

fucking weird. It's

15:47

so, it is whatever. But

15:50

then I was on Etsy. And

15:52

like a miracle, there was, this

15:54

is like some old lady's like bowling

15:57

sweatshirt or something. And it just was like, that's

15:59

what I was doing. That is so beautiful. And

16:01

I got it. And I was

16:03

like, this is gonna be so awesome. I'm gonna like

16:05

wear it to storm and show it

16:07

to her. And

16:11

did you? I'm like, yeah. I wore

16:13

it to the dog and was like,

16:15

look, storm, look. Like so

16:18

stoned, like standing outside someone's property

16:20

wearing merch of their

16:22

dog, being like, storm, storm, look,

16:25

storm. And then being like, dogs

16:28

can't read. This

16:31

doesn't make any sense. But

16:33

yeah, that's why I have this. And

16:35

I like love it. It's just such

16:37

a, it's like such

16:39

a great memory for me. It's

16:42

such a great memory and maybe it's a good

16:44

also reminder when you have it on to smoke

16:46

a little less weed, you know? I

16:48

know, I know, definitely. It's

16:51

put that in the large catalog of like,

16:54

wait, what did you do? Like say again

16:56

what you did. But I haven't

16:58

smoked weed in like over five years,

17:00

but it definitely has affected me permanently.

17:04

Yeah, there's a dog in my neighborhood that I

17:06

visit very often just on walks. It's not my

17:08

dog. I love it. It's

17:11

nice. Yeah, very much

17:13

so. Really gentle activity. Yeah, have

17:15

you ever gotten merch for that

17:17

dog? No, I

17:19

haven't. Interesting. Yeah, interesting. Yeah.

17:22

Do you know that dog's name? Oh,

17:24

that's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Sadie

17:27

and also like we liked Sadie so

17:30

much that it's partially why we got

17:32

the kind of dog that we have

17:34

now. It was like, we like

17:36

visiting this dog so much. We're gonna get a

17:38

dog that's similar to that dog because it's such

17:40

a winner. So, anyhow.

17:43

That's nice. Yeah. This is, I'm very

17:45

excited to talk to you, Jenny, because

17:47

you are a middle child. And

17:50

I've got three now. And

17:53

I'm fascinated by the middle child

17:55

and everything about him and the

17:57

dynamics of being in the middle.

18:00

What is the gap between you and your two sisters?

18:02

Like how in the middle are you? I'm um,

18:04

my older sister Abby is four years older

18:06

than me and my younger sister Stacy

18:08

is three years younger And

18:11

the three of you were the three of you very close growing

18:13

up. We were we were very close

18:16

and we are very close Yeah, where we didn't

18:18

we didn't even like fight that much like little

18:20

squabbles here and there but Pretty

18:23

pretty nice girls in the family. I think

18:25

four years might be more helpful than two years I

18:28

think a little bit of gap Maybe

18:30

an assist for sure because

18:33

Abby was like firmly older than me, you

18:35

know, like she and it

18:38

she just was so responsible and

18:40

cool and It

18:42

really didn't feel like I could like cross into

18:44

her zone and like sort of You

18:47

serve her like power or identity like I

18:49

was clearly in my own zone as the

18:51

middle. Yeah Yeah for four years is a

18:53

lot especially for kids Was it

18:55

three years of it? Were you like separated by schools?

18:57

Were you in high school together or? junior

19:00

high we Stacy and I were in

19:03

in The same

19:05

school together, but my older sister went

19:07

to a different school. So she also She

19:10

was just kind of like this other thing.

19:12

Yeah Like in a cool

19:14

way. It was just like Abby's got her own thing. Like

19:16

she goes to Cambridge with dad Mmm,

19:18

and we you know, we went down the street you

19:21

have something else in common with us Jenny Which

19:24

is your I believe hopefully I have this right

19:26

your parents still live in the house you grew

19:28

up in They

19:31

did until recently I

19:34

know it sucks so much. I

19:36

mean it also sort of does I mean

19:38

it does but it's also like I'm about

19:40

to be 42 like boo-hoo, you know

19:47

But so your parents used to live in in your

19:49

childhood home They do live in our childhood home.

19:51

Did your parents was it just they had to

19:53

downsize out of it I think

19:55

they had this plan to like live

19:57

both on the mainland and on Martha's

19:59

Vineyard And then

20:01

for whatever reason, it was just like,

20:03

this is not feasible. And

20:06

they made the choice to move fully

20:08

to an island where

20:11

we all have to take a boat to go see them. But

20:15

your parents, I mean, they, I

20:17

would imagine your parents love having their daughters

20:20

around. They do,

20:22

they do. They really do. And

20:24

it's like, I think, yeah, I

20:28

think they actually were just like, we don't

20:30

want to live here anymore. Like in this

20:32

big old empty haunted house in Milton, Massachusetts.

20:35

You know, like it just, it just wasn't working. So

20:38

I'm happy for them, but I do miss it. But I don't miss

20:40

the ghost. And I say that really honestly.

20:42

Yeah. And you and your father wrote a book

20:45

and refers to this. I mean, a

20:47

lot of it is about this house that you

20:49

lived in and whether or not there

20:51

were ghosts or not, which I think you're

20:53

pretty confirmed that it's a yes. That's a

20:55

yes. Everyone in my family

20:57

has seen them except for me. But

21:00

yes, yeah. And what is your theory as to

21:02

why the ghosts have not presented themselves to you?

21:05

I think that they know that I believe in them and that I'm way

21:07

too scared and that they'll like kill me. Oh, interesting.

21:09

I think they're like in like, in like

21:11

a huddle, being like, she'll die. And

21:13

then she'll be here with us. And she's like,

21:15

she's really chatty. So let's just don't do it. Honestly,

21:18

don't start with her. That's how they feel. They're

21:20

like, just don't. Was there, when your parents sold the

21:22

house, did they, I mean, obviously there was a book

21:24

out there. So I feel like they, if anybody wanted

21:27

to dig into the house, they would know that the

21:29

slates thought it was haunted. But did they mention to

21:31

the buyers, there is a ghost situation in the home?

21:35

They did not. I don't think.

21:37

I mean, but to be fair,

21:39

the previous buyers, I mean, sellers

21:41

also didn't mention that there

21:43

was a ghost. Right. There's that

21:45

like, there's that murder thing that you have

21:47

to disclose, but maybe not with ghosts because

21:49

it's always that. Like

21:52

if a murder happened there, you know a murder happened.

21:54

If a ghost happened, there's gonna be someone who's like,

21:56

there are no ghosts. So that can't be. telling

22:00

me that

22:02

if I were to purchase a home and a

22:04

murder had been done there, someone would have to

22:06

tell me that? I think that's a

22:08

thing. Or is it the etiquette? I think it's etiquette.

22:11

I don't think it's the

22:13

law. I think Emily Post would tell you,

22:15

you must

22:18

confirm that there's been a murder in the home. But

22:20

I don't think you actually legally have to say there's been a murder in the home. All

22:23

right, well, I'm going to dig into this. I've always heard that

22:25

as a thing. But your parents, your

22:27

sisters who saw the ghost, did they

22:29

in general sort of feel like they

22:31

were friendlier ghosts?

22:34

The other thing, people are usually like,

22:37

I just felt like everyone's just, we're

22:39

all just trying to work out, whatever

22:41

happened to us. That is not, like

22:44

everyone in my family was like, we didn't like it. It

22:47

was really scary. It

22:50

was really scary. We

22:53

did not like it. Everyone was

22:56

like, it wasn't like people being like,

22:58

wow, and in that moment, I really

23:00

wish that that spirit found the peace that

23:03

she needed. It was like everyone was like,

23:05

this fucking lady came out

23:07

of the den and she looked at mom and then

23:09

we were like, what? And then she went up into

23:12

the light. She went up into the light fixture by

23:14

the front door. And our

23:16

whole family's just like, what

23:18

do we do now? That sucks. It's

23:20

not good. Do

23:22

you recall hearing someone in

23:25

the house, like one of your sisters

23:27

or your parents, screaming when they saw

23:30

it? Were you nearby or was it always like

23:32

you were away at a sleepover and maybe you

23:34

were haunting them? I

23:36

mean, first of all, in our house, every

23:39

single family member, like twice a

23:41

week, is like, oh my God, like,

23:43

everyone was so scared all the time

23:46

that everyone was really on edge. But

23:51

I was not, I was a baby,

23:53

I guess, when my dad saw the

23:55

ghost of the sea captain. And

23:59

I was not there. when my sister and my

24:01

mom saw the lady who floated

24:03

up into the light. And I

24:05

also wasn't there when my older

24:07

sister experienced like a lamp turning

24:09

on and off, but like other

24:12

electricity being fine, but like

24:14

one lamp and she was like, you

24:16

know. And there was this

24:18

other thing where they

24:21

peeled down the wallpaper in the

24:23

room where my older sister was going

24:25

to. That was going to be her

24:27

room when they moved into the house.

24:29

And there was just a like a

24:31

pencil portrait on the plaster of the

24:33

wall of just like a little

24:35

girl in profile and underneath it just said

24:38

Abigail, just my sister's name. And they're like,

24:40

ah, but then of course they just like

24:42

put me in there. It

24:47

is really deliciously New England to have

24:50

a sea captain ghost. That is, I

24:53

mean, all you can ask for. I will

24:55

say terrifying when two people see a ghost

24:57

at the same time, because then almost impossible

24:59

that it dismiss. Like I could write off

25:01

sea captain and your dad and the lamp

25:03

thing, but the fact that your mom and

25:05

your sister saw a ghost on the same,

25:08

at the same time. Yeah, it's

25:11

totally horrible. It's so scary.

25:13

And like, yeah, I

25:15

don't think they're lying. I think they both saw

25:18

it. My sister is especially reliable. So

25:20

I definitely think they did. And it

25:24

was like a, it was a beautiful house. And

25:26

it was like sad when my parents moved out,

25:29

but I also was kind of like, bye,

25:31

you know, like, it's

25:34

okay, it's fine. But where I live now,

25:38

we have a pet cemetery. So

25:41

that's also very New Englandy and

25:43

rather spooky, but I really love

25:45

it a lot. And I visit the bones of

25:48

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25:50

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28:27

So what were the, what were the

28:29

slate family vacations when you were little?

28:32

Well, it was a lot of going

28:34

to like, like a, maybe like

28:37

the Caribbean, um, was what

28:39

was happening, like that

28:41

kind of stuff. And then,

28:43

and I've been thinking about this because we, they

28:45

were usually very lovely. We didn't go on a

28:47

lot, but when we did, we really appreciated it.

28:51

There was one vacation to

28:53

Hawaii where everything,

28:55

like, it

28:57

was like the first time that was like, there

29:00

might be some mean people in our family. That's

29:02

what I, that's how I took away from that

29:04

trip. But it was just the five of you? No,

29:07

it was, um, it was

29:09

our, our extended family. There were,

29:11

there were many family members there. Um, and my,

29:13

it was like my grandfather's treat to our family.

29:15

It was, I mean, when I think about it

29:17

now, it was my grandmother's 65th birthday, which is

29:20

like not old. Right. Right. But

29:23

I was like, Nana kind of so old. Um,

29:25

65. Um,

29:28

and yeah, and there was one

29:30

relative who truly apropos

29:33

of nothing. Uh, a

29:35

female relative came up to my sisters and I, while

29:37

we were like waiting to go into that, like, like,

29:39

you know, when you go to resort and they have

29:41

like, it was like a luau. Yeah.

29:44

But like, for like, not, yeah,

29:46

it just doesn't feel like great.

29:49

I'm sorry about it now, but, um, we

29:51

were just sitting there waiting to go in and she just

29:54

goes, you know, girls, when

29:56

I feel unattractive, I try to wear

29:58

bright colors. It

30:02

was like such a burn. She

30:05

just was like, might as well just like watched by

30:07

us and been like, you girls look really ugly tonight.

30:11

I like that also that implies that you

30:13

were also maybe not trying to, or just

30:15

wearing a lot of like grays and browns

30:18

to a resort luau. I'm

30:21

like, it's like 1993, we

30:23

were all in like ocean Pacific,

30:25

you know, like we were all wearing surf

30:27

colors. There's no way we're like, you

30:29

know, Jane Goodall-ing it. Meaning

30:33

khaki. Right. Right.

30:35

I wore a ton of ocean Pacific clothing

30:37

when I was young and away this deeply

30:39

embarrassing now because we

30:42

weren't like OP people. No,

30:45

we were all New Englanders in

30:47

the early 90s wearing body glove

30:49

and ocean Pacific had never seen.

30:51

Umbras. Umbras. I

30:54

remember I had a t-shirt with a poster of

30:56

a surf movie called Endless Summer that I just

30:58

wore a lot and that is still a movie

31:00

to this day. I haven't seen. Never

31:03

surfed, never even tried to surf, but

31:05

I just liked it. So it's so

31:08

embarrassing to have not surfed but

31:10

enjoyed surf fashion. Oh,

31:12

totally. But that is

31:14

what the 80s and early

31:16

90s, it was like the

31:19

sport was kind of just generally in

31:21

the in the culture or something. And

31:23

even I'm not even talking about like Baywatch. That was even

31:26

kind of later. It was like when I think about it,

31:28

it's like Bart Simpson,

31:31

Cowabunga, like,

31:33

yeah, why did we like

31:35

that? You know, Kokomo, the beach boys.

31:38

What are they doing? Like, it just

31:40

was it was cool. It it

31:43

called Tom Cruise in

31:45

cocktail. Yes. There was something

31:47

about that like that kind of beachy

31:50

tropical thing that was like everyone was

31:52

into that. Yeah. Funny.

31:54

I do feel as though the first time I heard

31:57

Kokomo, it almost made me think, yes, this is what

31:59

I like. I do

32:01

like the islands and I

32:03

thank you for finally opening my mind

32:05

to where my piece is. It's

32:08

just island living. You never went

32:10

full Buffett though. You

32:12

never went full Jimmy Buffett. No, we had a lot

32:14

of friends who went full Buffett. Yeah,

32:16

which was also a weird sort of thing

32:18

existing in New Hampshire that there was like,

32:21

but I guess like that's just Jimmy Buffett. He sort

32:23

of pervaded the culture at the

32:25

time and people were like, yeah, I do love

32:27

it. I

32:30

do like this because we were going

32:32

to Florida, Jenny's going to the Caribbean. We certainly

32:34

went to the Caribbean as well. And it was

32:36

just that that island life that you

32:39

were like, yeah, let's get into that.

32:41

I mean, Pina Colada's like I just was

32:43

obsessed with them as a kid, like, you

32:45

know, not the alcoholic ones, but like I

32:48

just thought this is the most delicious thing I've

32:51

ever had in my life. And it's a

32:53

beautiful, beautiful drink. I

32:55

just talked to a fellow parent at

32:58

my kids' school who said the last

33:01

time they went on spring break, their kids,

33:03

they didn't realize their kids were ordering Virgin

33:06

Pina Colada's all day long. And each

33:08

kid put on like seven pounds because they

33:12

basically are having like seven milkshakes a

33:14

day. Yeah,

33:17

yeah, they are a milkshake. Like they

33:19

basically they basically are a

33:21

milkshake. Yeah, we would also

33:23

like with a drink like that or just

33:25

a Shirley Temple or whatever, like so

33:28

many people say this, but like there was no way

33:30

we were ever getting more than one. There's

33:33

absolutely just no way. Yeah. You know,

33:35

if we're getting soda, we're getting a thing like that. It's like

33:37

you're drinking it so slowly that you almost ruin the drink so

33:40

that you don't. I mean, some kids just suck it

33:42

down. They're the dumb dumb. Yeah. They're

33:44

the one that says like they do that test of

33:47

like, we're going to give you a cookie and wait

33:49

10 minutes. And if you have haven't eaten it, I'll

33:51

give you two cookies. And some of those kids are

33:53

like, I'm eating that cookie the second you leave this

33:55

room. Yes, I don't

33:57

really know which I tried to pace it. I really

33:59

tried to. I would be so prudent with

34:01

it. And, you know, actually it was

34:03

really touching last night, but also sort of worrisome. Like,

34:07

I think last night my daughter,

34:09

I was, my parents were visiting yesterday and

34:11

I got her a hot chocolate, like, and it was

34:14

like there for her when she arrived at the hotel

34:16

just with my husband to meet us. And I was

34:18

like, I got you a hot chocolate, honey. And she

34:20

was like, I just had a cookie. I

34:23

mean, she's three years old, you know? And I was

34:25

like, it's all right, honey. Like, it's okay, baby. You

34:27

can have it. And she was like, um,

34:30

I think I've seen my sugar. And

34:32

I was like, it's not. It's okay.

34:35

Meanwhile, by the way, it was. And like, then she

34:37

had dessert. She was up till midnight. And it was

34:40

horrible. But I was like, wow, I would never would have

34:42

been like, actually, I should probably be careful. I've

34:44

just had a cookie. We, I remember

34:47

when Ash was that age, we went to

34:49

visit Alexei's parents in New Mexico, which

34:52

is higher elevation. And he

34:54

doesn't, he eats so healthy. And

34:56

he had a hot chocolate in

34:58

the middle of the day and then threw up.

35:02

And we had to give him an hour long bath. And

35:04

to this day, I feel he's real.

35:08

He likes a lot of sweets, but hot chocolate. He

35:10

has a real, I think I'm good. I

35:13

think I've ridden that horse. Oh, he remembers.

35:16

There was like, we got taken to like this

35:18

fancy, it was like in the, in

35:20

a hotel in Cambridge. And, and I thought

35:22

it was the fanciest place I've ever been.

35:25

And what it was, was one of those places

35:27

where they cook the, it's like

35:30

a Japanese steakhouse. Yeah. They

35:32

cook it at the table. It's like a Benihana, but it

35:34

wasn't. And I

35:36

freaked out. I thought it was so cool. And

35:38

like basically every single morsel that got cooked,

35:41

I put it in my mouth and I just, I

35:44

just fully barfed at the table. Like I

35:46

couldn't even, like, I just, I was so,

35:49

I was like, I can't stop. Like

35:52

he's cooking it right here. Like, just like, just putting it in and like,

35:55

didn't even remove myself. Just like I,

35:57

there was a fully barfed, fully barfed.

36:00

and then I have not ever been able

36:02

to go back to a restaurant like that

36:04

because it's just, it's

36:07

deep in my mind now. Yeah, I wonder if

36:09

while they're cooking it, they can clock that there's

36:11

a kid who's just going way too hard. And

36:15

they know that it's not their job to tell

36:17

the parent, but they have a

36:19

sense of, oh no, this is bad.

36:22

Oh God, this kid, this fricking kid

36:24

is going crazy. Did you

36:26

share when you would travel on vacations at the

36:28

Caribbean, did you and your sister share a room?

36:30

Yeah, we shared a room with like a connecting

36:32

room, usually it would be with my

36:35

parents. But

36:39

we would all get our own little, we would

36:42

take like a carry on. Because

36:44

my mom was always afraid of the suitcases getting

36:46

lost and that we would arrive in paradise and we

36:48

wouldn't have our bathing suits right away. So

36:51

we had a carry on with an outfit for dinner and

36:55

underpants and like a

36:57

bathing suit. And then this

37:00

is, I had a doll named

37:02

Puddin who

37:06

had, she had like so many clothes and I

37:09

would pack like way more for her. And so

37:11

my carry on was always like bursting and

37:14

she would have like a travel outfit and everything.

37:16

And I used the sewing machine like in our

37:18

house. I like made her like capes and stuff

37:20

and it was like this whole thing. And

37:22

eventually Stacy, my little sister got

37:24

a doll of the same kind.

37:26

They were these Madame Alexander dolls,

37:29

I think they're called. And

37:33

they come with the name. So my doll's name

37:35

was Puddin. And unfortunately, this sucks

37:37

so much with Stacy's doll was named

37:39

Pussy Willow, which we immediately shortened

37:41

to Pussy and no one said anything. And

37:44

we would like have a procession like

37:46

going through the, like Logan airport with

37:49

these dolls in long capes,

37:51

you know, just

37:53

like fur lined freaking capes that I made

37:55

on the sewing machine, wanting people to look at

37:57

us, you know, cause we're like, these are our

37:59

doll. basically, you know, like we're, we would

38:01

be on the trip, but like we would be

38:03

in character as Dana, Susan and

38:06

Diane actually was what her name for. And

38:09

you and your sister were Dana, Susan, Diane. Yeah,

38:12

Stacy was Diane, I was Dana and

38:14

Abby was Susan because she took the best

38:16

name immediately. And can't

38:18

beat Susan. As far as

38:21

names go, that's the, that's the pinnacle. Number

38:23

one for me always has been, and we'd be

38:26

like, don't call me Jen, like don't

38:28

call me Jen, just call me like I'm

38:30

Dana. And our parents knew they weren't, you

38:32

know, they would like fully let us do

38:34

this. But we were on vacation somehow without

38:36

our husbands, but with our kids. And

38:39

we were like, look at us, you know, you know, that thing like

38:41

kids just want you to know. And

38:43

I can't even count the amount of times that they were

38:45

like, you know, like a flight attendant

38:47

was like, what's your doll's name? And I'd be like,

38:49

put in and then they would like, look at Stacy

38:51

and be like, what's your doll's name? She'd

38:54

be like, pussy. And they'd always

38:56

be like, huh, you know, like, we don't

38:59

know what to do. We don't know what to

39:01

do. Like, get him off the plane.

39:05

You know, like it's just over and

39:07

over again. And like my dad just being so, now I

39:09

look back on it and I'm like, oh my God, he

39:11

must have been so embarrassed. Yeah, yeah. Really

39:13

bad. Or he could have stepped

39:15

up and said like, hey, let's call your doll

39:17

Willow. Let's go

39:20

with Willow. Although I got a name. If

39:22

his girls are walking around insisting their

39:25

names are Diane, Dana and Susan, it might

39:27

be tough to change pussy's name. Yeah.

39:30

God, it sounds so bad. Like

39:34

when you hear it. Oh man.

39:37

Yeah, totally. Are putting and

39:39

pussy still in existence? Do

39:41

you have putting somewhere on a shelf or? Yeah,

39:44

I have put in. But my

39:46

husband is like, that

39:48

is what was haunting your childhood home. Like

39:51

that. It is. She

39:53

looks horrifying now to this. What

39:56

are those doll dolls with the eyes that go up

39:58

in eyelash? eyelashes,

40:00

yeah, like eyelids that go up and down, you

40:02

know, the human body. When,

40:05

so when you would lay her down, her eyes

40:07

would like close. And then also

40:10

if you flipped her over, she had

40:12

like a horn inside that would get depressed and she'd

40:14

be like, and

40:16

she would cry. And

40:19

she had a real hair, human hair that of

40:21

course now is one, like, like

40:24

one gnarled, like pelts

40:26

or a cone. And then

40:28

she had plastic arms and

40:31

legs and they're very dirty. And

40:33

she's just as dirty. It's funny. It

40:35

is a doll that's actually built

40:38

to age along with the

40:40

owner. Just like bad hair and

40:42

weird hands. So

40:44

bad. Like, and they're like baby hands. So

40:46

like, they're like, they're like in a position

40:48

all the time. Yeah. And they're like, oh,

40:50

God. I also imagine those eyes

40:52

don't open and close very

40:55

smoothly anymore. I would think that time

40:57

would cause some, some stickage,

40:59

some doll cataracts. Totally.

41:02

It's like one eye is always

41:04

down, you know, like, like one eye

41:07

is always down. And it's just

41:09

bad. It's like, Oh, you know what she looks

41:11

like? Like in the book Eloise, Eloise

41:13

has two dolls and one of them

41:16

has like no arms and no legs

41:18

and she's been in the most terrible

41:20

accident. She says. That's what put in.

41:22

That's a put in list. Do you think Stacy still

41:24

has pussy? That's

41:30

worth finding out. Have

41:37

you thought about giving to me? Maybe that's

41:39

her daughter. You know, it's just like,

41:41

why didn't someone put us out to this? Do

41:45

both of your sisters have kids? Yes, they do.

41:47

Yeah. My older sister has three kids and my

41:49

little sister has one. But

41:52

nobody really has any, any

41:54

dolls anymore. I guess it's

41:56

over. I try. I don't know. Whatever. It's

41:59

just, I think. The really very push to

42:01

suffer the ads in our to do in

42:03

chains and says the other any i'm or

42:05

or any of his your sister's kids boys

42:07

or is it just girl said it's. There.

42:10

Isn't one boy? May never

42:13

Sam Katz Yeah, four girls and one

42:15

by your your parents have four granddaughters

42:17

and one guns on. A.

42:20

Do. They get. Yeah and like.

42:24

A sun sets a deal

42:26

and actually like we all

42:28

went on our first like

42:30

everybody in family vacation. Just.

42:33

A couple of years ago and it and it

42:35

was. It's so weird. Like I don't know if

42:37

you guys intend to this but it's like weird

42:40

to be the parents. Yeah, you know, like I'm

42:42

like on the on see now. This is so

42:44

weird. and the last time we went on a

42:46

full family vacation. Was

42:48

such a bad it was. It was the worst

42:50

of all. So like anything could have been better

42:53

than what happened. We we went to Key West

42:55

with Lysa. The. Real nail in

42:57

the coffin and family vacations I

42:59

guess I'm. Yeah. So anyway,

43:01

we were. We were were vacationing again. Know.

43:04

Where was the what happened in Key West and how old

43:06

are you. Oh My. God. it was really

43:08

bad in a lot of different ways. So first

43:10

of all, we didn't. Want. To go there

43:12

is a bouquet for your parents

43:14

because they've had set a i'm

43:16

sorry is this when you're an

43:19

adult now with kids? Are this

43:21

when your your children. I

43:23

was in new Adults I think I

43:25

was. I had just graduated from college

43:27

and and I'm is kind of late.

43:30

I don't know like it is. It kinda like

43:32

we were doing this one more time. sort of.

43:34

It's it's it's at. I think is what it

43:36

was like bridges during the summertime and. And

43:39

decided i think maybe my sister was

43:42

engaged my older sister I can't remember

43:44

any way we went to Key West.

43:46

Ah, it was a

43:49

bad trip for many

43:51

reasons. Number Wine. And.

43:54

it's just a lot of drunk people like

43:56

like a just like they're that time and

43:58

drunk people and And there was a lot

44:00

of throw up on the street. And I

44:02

was in the time in my life when

44:04

I was like 22, J.

44:07

Crew was really pushing the flip flop

44:09

as a shoe. I

44:12

was just rewatching Notting Hill and there's this scene

44:15

where Julia Roberts on the street is wearing flip

44:17

flops. And I'm like, yeah, I remember that. Like

44:19

it's so weird, so

44:22

gross. But now

44:24

I'm like, it's a shower shoe. But at the

44:26

time flip flops, whenever I could, I thought

44:28

it was so cool. I was wearing flip

44:30

flops. I skidded

44:33

out of them because of some

44:35

barf. My foot

44:37

came out and then when

44:39

I put it down onto the sidewalk, I

44:41

stepped on a dead rat, okay? Super

44:47

bad, super, super bad.

44:49

But then- I wish the rat when

44:51

you stepped on it made the noise

44:54

that the dolls did when you turned him over.

44:58

And yeah, and it just

45:00

was like, ew, I hate this lanes. Why are we

45:03

here? And it was

45:05

bad. But then I

45:07

guess we all decided to go to

45:09

a movie and

45:12

we went and we saw the movie, The Motorcycle Diaries in

45:15

the theater. And we

45:17

came out and I guess

45:19

it was like kind of that movie days, like

45:21

you're just blinking into the

45:23

daylight. And we were crossing

45:25

the street. We were being

45:27

obedient to the signs and a

45:30

biker was coming down like the wrong way.

45:33

And he just straight up like crashed

45:36

into my dad. And specifically

45:39

like, biked into his

45:41

like penis, like into his crotch.

45:44

And it's like the feeling of

45:46

watching like your dad be

45:48

like, oh, you know, it's just like,

45:51

it's like humiliating, like you

45:53

feel your family true. You

45:56

like to grade it. Like, it's just like,

45:58

you've dishonored our family. Like that's our patriarch

46:01

and you just like bikes right into him.

46:03

And it was, it was so upsetting

46:05

and strange that I who

46:08

have had like literally one

46:10

public confrontation like this in my life, and

46:12

this was it. I

46:14

like snapped to seeing my dad get so

46:16

hurt. And I was like, what

46:19

the fuck? Like, what are you doing?

46:21

And, and the guy was like, what? And

46:23

I was like, what are you doing? Bikes have

46:25

the same rules as cars. You're going the wrong

46:27

way. And he was like, get the fuck out

46:29

of the way. And I was like, no, you

46:32

get out of the way. Like bikes have the

46:34

same rules as cars. I was like trying to

46:36

make it rational. And then he started to, he

46:38

was like, he bites, bites

46:40

back to us. It's like our whole family.

46:42

And he, in front of my parents and my

46:44

sisters, he goes, I don't know what,

46:46

what swearing is allowed on your show. And I'm just

46:48

sorry if you can't even use any of this story,

46:51

but, um, he was like,

46:54

bikes have the same rules as cars you fucking did.

46:57

And I was like, and he was like, but

46:59

you're the same rules as cars. You can't. And

47:02

he like called me a cunt while still

47:04

on his bike, didn't dismount. And

47:06

we were like, Oh, we're going to get

47:08

killed. Like this is crazy. This guy was,

47:11

he was like so mad. And then our

47:13

whole family was like so demoralized and weirdly

47:15

instead of being like, Oh, that was scary

47:17

and strange, but let's just move on and

47:19

maybe let's go get like an ice cream

47:22

Sunday or something. My mom was like dead

47:24

set on visiting the Jewish cemetery. So

47:26

the next stop literally was

47:29

the Jewish cemetery. There was a gravestone

47:32

that said, I told you I was

47:34

sick, which was like so funny, but

47:36

also it's

47:40

just so sad to like, be like,

47:43

still trying to riff when you're dead. Like

47:45

that's my biggest nightmare is that like, I

47:47

just won't stop. And like, it

47:49

was like, Oh, like this sucks. And

47:52

then, and

47:54

then we got back to our,

47:56

the bed and breakfast where we were

47:58

staying. And it was like. They

48:01

made you speak at library

48:03

volume in the shared spaces.

48:06

And then my mom, we were like, all

48:08

going to get changed or something to go

48:11

have dinner. And

48:14

she never makes a joke. My

48:16

sweet, wonderful mother doesn't really have a lot

48:18

of use for humor or music. It's just

48:21

not what she needs. She

48:24

gets close to me and in

48:27

a stage whisper, aka

48:29

completely audible goes,

48:32

see you at dinner. You

48:34

come. And

48:38

like everybody

48:40

in the freaking like lounge of

48:43

the bed and breakfast is like, what?

48:46

What is this family? What is

48:49

this fucking flip flop? Flip

48:51

flop family. And it just

48:53

is so bad. It just

48:55

was bad. It was like all the attractions. It

48:57

was like, let's go to Hemingway's house. It was

49:00

just fucking filled with cats. Yeah.

49:02

So gross. What is this? It

49:04

just was it was horrible. It was like

49:06

a really, really bad vacation. I feel like

49:09

every detail I learned about Hemingway

49:11

makes me enjoy the Hemingway books less. Like

49:13

he's again, I think there's certain people just

49:15

to leave alone, like even pictures of him.

49:18

The fact that he lived in Key West makes

49:20

me think, I feel like we got

49:22

the best of him on the page. Yeah.

49:24

And he's like, he always sat at the

49:27

end of this bar just like drinking. You

49:29

could come in and drink with Hemingway. It's

49:31

just like scribbling in his little book. Yeah.

49:35

Yeah. Like now when you look at

49:37

it, you're like, it kind of seems like like a mean alcoholic,

49:40

you know, but who

49:42

had all these cats? Even

49:44

where? I don't know. I

49:47

feel like everyone in Key West is

49:49

from New England. Like every, every

49:51

accent down there is like just a New

49:53

Englander who's like, yeah, we we

49:55

fucking came down here. And everywhere we live now. It is like

49:57

the end of the day. Yeah. It's

50:00

the Boston neighborhood with the best weather It

50:03

is also I hate Weirdly,

50:06

I am okay I prefer

50:08

an island you have to take a ferry

50:10

to then a place like Key West where

50:12

there's like it and my memory serves There's

50:14

just one long bridge in yeah, and it

50:16

just it seems like a Zombie

50:19

apocalypse nightmare to be caught on Key

50:21

West Anywhere where there's

50:23

no way out Yeah,

50:26

it's that this is I don't ever want

50:28

a situation like that at all I can

50:30

sort of I just need like a

50:32

lot of different ways to leave almost anything

50:35

like a situation not just an island

50:37

I'm just like you to know how

50:39

long everything is like Like

50:43

I just it's just crazy to be like there's

50:45

just one bridge and it's it's this.

50:47

Yeah, I mean I'm

50:50

sure there Wonderful parts

50:52

about Key West. I think Judy Bloom lives

50:54

there She does and you know what and I

50:56

think she has like a nice bookstore and and

50:58

I you know What we're obviously I think all

51:00

three of us are team bloom Yeah,

51:03

I did go on a recent good trip

51:05

to Key West where we stayed in like

51:07

an old cigar factory It was adults only

51:09

it wasn't like adults only like everyone's naked

51:11

doing it But

51:16

it was yeah, we enjoyed ourselves down

51:18

there, but it's also yeah, it's a weird

51:20

scene like on the

51:22

main drag Hulk Hogan was

51:25

driving around and like a golf cart and everyone

51:28

Hulkamania. Oh my

51:31

god, I really How

51:33

Hogan and his sort of positioning in the

51:35

zeitgeist for the last almost like 15 to

51:37

20 years is like It's

51:40

just so different than what I mean not that

51:43

as a kid I was like obsessed with WrestleMania,

51:45

but like I knew everyone knew Hulk Hogan was

51:47

yeah in yeah in the 80s and 90s Just

51:50

as we all loved our Pacific Our

51:53

Pacific Sun Ocean Pacific outfits and stuff. It

51:55

was also about Hulk Hogan He

51:57

was a big one and when he started having

52:00

having that reality

52:02

show. Do you remember that?

52:04

Yes. What was it called? His

52:06

whole family? His whole family. It

52:09

was like I just started, I just was like, wait,

52:11

what is this guy who is

52:13

just so fascinated by him? And it's his whole

52:15

thing. Yeah, I mean, obviously you can imagine when

52:17

I'm sitting at a restaurant on like

52:19

the second floor on the main drag

52:21

of Key West and Hulk Hogan like

52:23

parks out front and walks in, everyone

52:25

is calling out to him and it's

52:27

pretty great. I mean,

52:29

he is like Caesar returning

52:32

from a battle. How

52:36

old is Hulk Hogan, do you

52:38

think? I don't know. Does

52:41

he have the same hairstyle? I'm

52:43

gonna say, I mean, it's hard,

52:46

it's less. Yeah, but it

52:48

also looks like when he walks, it

52:50

looks like years of sort of hitting the mat

52:53

have taken a bit of a toll.

52:56

The other crazy thing about Hulk Hogan. You

52:58

can still kick my ass, I'm quite sure.

53:00

The domino of Hulk Hogan having that sex

53:02

tape that Gawker reported on

53:04

and then Peter Thiel funding the

53:06

lawsuit, the topple, like Hulk Hogan.

53:08

Oh my God, yeah. And again,

53:10

he was one of

53:12

the 30 most famous people in America, I

53:14

feel like for a time, just for being

53:16

a wrestle guy. And then he

53:18

became a weird extra piece of culture. I wanna

53:20

go back real quick. Wrestle guy is what he,

53:22

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54:57

want to go back to your dad getting hit by the bike

54:59

because I think

55:02

everyone in my family,

55:04

including my mom, would prefer she get

55:06

hit by a bike to my dad

55:09

because of everything you

55:11

said. Like I think just the emasculation

55:14

of the entire family, if your dad

55:16

gets hit by a bike, like

55:18

that because I feel like it's a longer,

55:21

the shame trail is longer

55:23

when a dad goes down. And then

55:25

my question is when the guy came over

55:28

on the bike and started calling you awful

55:30

things, was your dad still like on the

55:32

ground? Yeah, he wasn't on the

55:34

ground. He was like doubled over.

55:36

Right. So that's

55:39

the piece of it. It would be awful

55:41

enough if your dad just got waylaid by

55:44

a bike. But then if the biker sort

55:46

of doubled back and started like verbally attacking

55:48

the kids while your dad's like, Oh God.

55:50

Totally. Like he can't do anything. And he's

55:52

like, Jenny's out of control. Like, you know,

55:54

like he's like so scared. And My

55:57

little sister was crying and, you know, it just.

56:00

The played. So.

56:03

So. Heinous to see.

56:05

The To. See her parents get. Humorous,

56:08

loaded but Memphis to see them. Kind

56:10

of like the hearts and my to

56:12

hurt in an area of the body

56:14

that my mom and my sisters and

56:16

I like. We can't really tell you

56:18

know like it. It's this thing as

56:20

I said the like if if if

56:22

you don't have like that anatomy use

56:25

your account constantly like all the boys

56:27

you know in in like at recess

56:29

or like to each other in the

56:31

balls and like making a big show

56:33

of it and then later in life

56:35

there's a more earnest conversation with like

56:37

this men. That are like it really like a real.

56:39

Air is about. A

56:42

guy like that. You know a guy like

56:44

it is. I've seen my daughter like just

56:46

totally by Mrs just like plans, my husband

56:49

in the balls and like he is so

56:51

sad. You know like I could like I

56:53

jesus we're really hurts but she doesn't know

56:55

she's doing it and like to see that

56:58

injury happened to my dad. It just says.

57:01

I wish we had gotten on a plane

57:03

that night because also than upset about our

57:05

family does had a talk about everything. Via.

57:07

Fedex we planted couldn't. Talk.

57:10

About him Right in I. Like

57:13

it's useless. So sad and. There.

57:15

Then. There. Was like one

57:17

time in France. Another

57:20

bad ship I've been take a system.

57:24

Where my dad and I know he's feel so bad

57:26

about this? like. And. I wish he didn't

57:28

but he we rented a car. To.

57:30

Drive. Nine. My

57:32

it was my little sister, my ex

57:34

husband Dean and I and my dad

57:36

and we were driving from from Paris

57:39

to be center of France where my

57:41

grandmother said during the holocaust and it

57:43

was kind of like this is sort

57:45

of this is a good deals were

57:47

going back as she hadn't been back

57:49

there since she was in hiding. Very

57:51

emotional tense and when we got to

57:53

this town which did appear to be

57:56

like stopped in time the car like

57:58

died and completely broke down. And

58:00

we were like Jack. In

58:02

this a weird place in France and none of

58:05

us could really like. Speak.

58:07

French and just to sort of

58:10

compound that no pun intended I

58:12

had of I was like suffering

58:14

from intense can spaces and. I

58:20

was already like, ah like I had

58:22

eaten likes. He

58:24

begs a specific.

58:29

Three days like I just was like

58:31

a reverse Athena Mary Poppins like take

58:33

stuff out like a lamp out of

58:35

her flight. Nanny

58:38

Doctor bag or whatever easy have like.

58:40

I was like we're very Mary Poppins

58:42

and will decide a hard besides hard

58:45

cards that classy Baghdad's and it was

58:47

just like when I think of it

58:49

now and like I was probably like

58:52

six for just by the bag gets

58:54

like Francis's editing a lot. Have

58:57

a. Two sides compact said and so

58:59

and it was just said look we're You

59:01

know where there is gonna spend a couple

59:03

hours in this town. We're going to get

59:05

out of there and instead. We

59:08

we were. We broke down. There

59:10

wasn't like anyone to help us.

59:12

it was my dad was he

59:14

felt so. Bad. And

59:17

I like try to cheer a month by being

59:19

lied on their families than study or for longer

59:21

and you would like. I'm.

59:28

So sad. Yeah yeah, my dad needs a

59:31

it's I like Now it's causing my mind

59:33

like any, to do something really nice for

59:35

my dad. They take him on a really

59:37

nice trip. Where. His body's protected

59:39

and says you know. His body

59:41

and his them. What? You call

59:44

it his identity. As I disagree

59:46

that moment, we have one

59:48

recently because. Josh will

59:50

attest to this. My dad well if something

59:52

goes wrong he I think everybody in our

59:55

family gets a little quiet because we realize

59:57

he's on edge and his arm to been

59:59

temperamental. Am The four of us

1:00:02

just went. On of a

1:00:04

case in the Pittsburgh. And. We

1:00:06

leftists a football game and Josh

1:00:08

was in the passenger seat. Dad

1:00:11

was driving and Josh was doing

1:00:13

map quest. Pittsburgh is a confusing

1:00:15

city. A dad fully drove over

1:00:17

a curb. Buying.

1:00:19

so that was. It was a rental car though.

1:00:22

That jarring saying in the car was fine. But

1:00:24

that guy thing where Joss has game interaction like

1:00:26

turn your turn here in of like squawk want.

1:00:29

Us as he was like some

1:00:31

weird cones that were allies or

1:00:33

not. It was a very confusing

1:00:35

it was dark, it was rainy,

1:00:37

everything was weird but it was

1:00:39

going on actually and phase of

1:00:41

the we very clearly. Last.

1:00:44

Pittsburgh. Big. Says pit and

1:00:46

we weren't trying to buy like

1:00:48

we went over a bridge like

1:00:50

through a tunnel into like that

1:00:52

surrounding suburban area and and it

1:00:54

was very quiet like nobody and

1:00:56

and Joss I, my dad were

1:00:58

equally frustrated. And easy and it

1:01:01

only costs as what twenty minutes it wasn't terrible,

1:01:03

did not even that and young that it was

1:01:05

funny and it was clearly a mistake. it it

1:01:07

felt like it was gonna be a disaster. We

1:01:09

left the city and in a yummy I didn't

1:01:11

but when we pulled into the parking lot of

1:01:13

the restaurants and I felt like this is a

1:01:15

real gamble. I. Had pulled out

1:01:18

to twenties and I mean over and

1:01:20

I tipped Josh and Dad for this.

1:01:22

Who are. Ah

1:01:25

at it. Why I know it was

1:01:27

gray eyes. It's as a as a

1:01:29

teenager or even someone in my twenties

1:01:32

I wouldn't have dared risk it. But.

1:01:34

I can. I was again stress reliever. I

1:01:37

really was fun! Did you guys

1:01:39

have an. Agreement. We

1:01:41

always had an element of staff no matter

1:01:43

what. Like my it's I was always my

1:01:46

dad's like you that sense I a d

1:01:48

when we were in St. Thomas A now

1:01:50

like a disease ah the lender on the

1:01:52

ran into someone son the synagogue that we

1:01:54

didn't like and we're now. It's like like

1:01:56

there like is always my dad like is

1:01:59

is is that. That ain't

1:02:01

a trend or like a

1:02:03

motif with your family outings.

1:02:06

He. Was really good. It. I.

1:02:08

Want to given all the credit for

1:02:10

making sure we are act is and

1:02:12

when we went places he was the

1:02:14

reason we would goes like we would

1:02:16

just like stay in one place and

1:02:18

we go out and so I think

1:02:20

if he had any stress a was

1:02:22

the fact that he felt this that

1:02:25

burden on them but he wasn't. And

1:02:28

by the way, we know he's of either

1:02:30

value ballistic, a loyalist, or yeah, I suspect

1:02:32

that much worse than it was at home

1:02:35

right now I know if elected, even if

1:02:37

it was also a little on edge off.

1:02:41

You know lot of dads are on as it did

1:02:43

half as as are mans. You know both my parents

1:02:45

can have a real a real stats side as it's

1:02:47

like. I was trying to decide

1:02:49

to my older sister like what it's like

1:02:51

to watch than past the cooler. For the

1:02:54

beach? Yeah and in their this. It's

1:02:57

as if they're packing that weird.

1:03:01

Like it. Dot Net You know

1:03:03

that citizens as as I think of I don't

1:03:05

know why ago your but it's like of this

1:03:07

is where else in the movie The Rock Starting

1:03:09

Nicholas Cage. And Yen vs on

1:03:11

Connery. Yes, there is.

1:03:13

I don't. There's a weapon. Something.

1:03:16

About a weapon as a try to stop someone.

1:03:18

The bad guys one it's and it has his

1:03:20

green balls of last. Nuclear.

1:03:22

Sunday. the and you see that when

1:03:24

it's a vase though the a window

1:03:27

they like mouse keep all their like

1:03:29

crazy new thirty like little green balls

1:03:31

of nukes I think. and anyway and

1:03:33

they're like oh geez I be so

1:03:36

careful with it and everything so annoyed

1:03:38

at each other about it. That's what

1:03:40

it's like to watch my parents lead.

1:03:42

Plus. Pirate. Light.

1:03:47

Spin this seltzer is into a

1:03:49

yeti cooler I can do and

1:03:51

all brands the are not to

1:03:53

buy my. I don't know why

1:03:55

am I being specific but it's

1:03:57

like differences. Are

1:04:00

we in case and her extended

1:04:02

just as just were running away

1:04:04

to you know, the beach by

1:04:07

their house. It's just the stress

1:04:09

that they do to each other

1:04:11

that they. Have narrated over over

1:04:13

fifty years of marriage. You know

1:04:15

is like it's. It's it's

1:04:17

unbelievable. And because I was the

1:04:19

person taking our family on vacation

1:04:21

looming, all went a couple of

1:04:24

winters ago. I felt that I

1:04:26

was allowed to be like, how about we

1:04:28

don't? You guys don't need to have like

1:04:30

that bad right now. It's like cool.

1:04:32

You know? Yeah, I'm. Under as the

1:04:34

leader. Out and hired

1:04:36

Major. did they receive them? Message? Well.

1:04:40

I think they get it. Did this.

1:04:42

The first time they'll be like. You.

1:04:45

Know this. Is the cause

1:04:47

of the stress of course is always a

1:04:49

think. It's wonderful to have a good time

1:04:51

which is sad because it it's a tragic

1:04:53

that that and someone's death. The attitude about

1:04:55

wanting to have fun is let ruins the

1:04:57

son of course as something I experience as

1:04:59

well. I can I do it I can

1:05:01

do it as well but on the other

1:05:03

really receptive to like mom. Just. You

1:05:06

know you don't need to like, you're at your

1:05:08

out in the lab and now are sometimes like

1:05:10

my mom uses really morbid language just like naturally.

1:05:13

And a sometimes I asked her lights.

1:05:16

let's try to see different. Tone.

1:05:19

New know? like you don't need to tell my

1:05:21

three year old daughter that you need to put

1:05:23

on a Hazmat suit to go out into the

1:05:25

garden. Of the. Sides

1:05:29

josh as witnesses but. When.

1:05:32

My parents visit us. Alexi

1:05:35

you is very good at maths we

1:05:37

have to go to do was go

1:05:40

does she take the opportunity of all

1:05:42

seven Good sunny out let's go to

1:05:44

the beads and. I

1:05:46

I think everyone my parents aids

1:05:48

needs a little bit a warning.

1:05:51

Yeah. When we're about to do something and

1:05:53

so I've often said, will I see, Just

1:05:55

help me get ahead of it And silver

1:05:58

a gruesome you know, tell me. The

1:06:00

you know be on their toes. it's be

1:06:02

ready to go and I'm like that's not

1:06:04

that's I won't work. Yeah, they

1:06:06

are never two minutes away from being ready.

1:06:09

Yet so you have to give them a little

1:06:11

bit more. Buffer. And then

1:06:13

you have like I mean and sit there

1:06:16

all cel not two minutes away. Yeah,

1:06:18

I'm being ready. There is no

1:06:20

way my my parents very

1:06:22

much has a city set

1:06:25

routine and lot. Like. I

1:06:27

even something like as I listened to describe

1:06:29

like post mates to them. You.

1:06:31

Know and and it. Just was. Lights. But.

1:06:35

Now. You know they it just couldn't

1:06:37

It just wasn't gonna happen like they were

1:06:39

like the groveling an anaconda has denied and

1:06:41

and my mom's i love you know what

1:06:44

should we make for dinner which is a

1:06:46

lovely concerned she cares he announces I have

1:06:48

some chicken breasts and like obviously in my

1:06:50

mind I'm like oh on plain sick and

1:06:52

wrath like. Yourself and

1:06:54

I'm like now that I have a phone

1:06:57

like it's all at my fingertips like why

1:06:59

would I have wondered you know a chicken

1:07:01

breasts and I'm like let's first mean something

1:07:03

to the house and she's like. Most

1:07:07

well. well the thing is it's like for

1:07:09

there's nothing. honestly. Assess. at least

1:07:12

you have less to do if I

1:07:14

do this and this is just not

1:07:16

possible. Yeah, like it it does. Change

1:07:18

of plans is is very hard. Ah,

1:07:21

On I are on our group I feel like as well

1:07:23

but. It's not really the way like

1:07:25

then and I are phantom let's send out the door

1:07:27

at any minute. Serialized Masquerade

1:07:29

The anything that I.

1:07:32

Am observed about my wife's family is

1:07:34

every morning is a giant conversation about

1:07:36

what are we gonna do today and

1:07:38

I always want to jump in and

1:07:41

say i'm in a guess it's the

1:07:43

same things every day. Save

1:07:46

ourselves this big old conversation because I now

1:07:48

spend two hundred summer days with you guys

1:07:50

and I know how we how it's going

1:07:53

to go and it's just as out with

1:07:55

his age is that. All

1:07:57

this. I don't know. like a performance of

1:07:59

a com. Asian. Friends

1:08:02

want to lead. You know what are we

1:08:04

doing for dinner at breakfast and is the

1:08:06

it is confusing. To my husband says

1:08:08

I was five and why I

1:08:11

think it is is so weird.

1:08:13

like it but eyes it's just

1:08:15

happens it is so strange. But.

1:08:18

I now I can of do it

1:08:20

to like I just I saw my

1:08:22

parents asked us now they're headed up

1:08:24

that to Massachusetts and I got a

1:08:27

dinner.my daughter off at school when had

1:08:29

Texas and my parents and then and

1:08:31

I was rolling back here by you

1:08:33

know nine thirty and I come in

1:08:35

the door. With

1:08:38

my mom's like left over breakfast potatoes Madison

1:08:40

sign again Tuesday do his thing and like

1:08:42

so I have some the still for potatoes

1:08:44

for my mom and I thought we could

1:08:47

have Sam and and Potatoes for Ida for

1:08:49

dinner tonight and he says like. You

1:08:51

can hardly under slept at the same as you

1:08:53

can hardly com per head he says of us.

1:08:56

Will. You say what semite and on my

1:08:58

golden seal the dinner and then I like

1:09:00

and sending their Mm and I don't have

1:09:02

a strategy by but obviously it's in coming

1:09:04

in and like and my mom. I'm like

1:09:06

I'm my mother right now. I'm like weirdly

1:09:08

Jami massaging my own shoulder blade which hurts

1:09:10

like I'm I miss You know, I'm showing

1:09:12

that I have pain in my body and

1:09:14

and talking about dinner like twenty hours away

1:09:17

from it and like a nancy. And

1:09:19

I think I because of.

1:09:22

That. To get a little dark but

1:09:24

I want to be forgiving of others.

1:09:27

See your. Grandparents

1:09:29

were out are survivors Alexis grandparents

1:09:31

were holocaust survivors and I do

1:09:34

think maybe as a little bit

1:09:36

of like crisis prep digital a

1:09:38

three sets I add. And

1:09:41

I got more, I realize I'm like, oh,

1:09:43

that's what this is, and that's why I

1:09:45

have to just sort of be loving and

1:09:47

understanding of. I think that is.

1:09:49

Really, I think there is really

1:09:51

something there and actually been asked

1:09:53

me a similar question and because

1:09:55

we were leaving like a rounds

1:09:57

were around a Jewish family that.

1:10:00

Now and he without. All.

1:10:03

About yourself. Staying.

1:10:06

In the house and seeking to

1:10:08

plans as like an epigenetic saints

1:10:10

and I was like it's not

1:10:12

is is not far off at

1:10:14

all the various something there it's

1:10:16

just said really controlling how we're

1:10:18

gonna be And and thirty link.

1:10:20

In. The world it's I'd say I think

1:10:22

it's really something my my nana resell who

1:10:25

now she passed away I'll take a little

1:10:27

over a year ago but like when i

1:10:29

was a little girl her like main thing

1:10:31

as you like to do some real has

1:10:33

to like live out the window and i

1:10:35

would like look out the window with her

1:10:37

and that was like her comfort level and

1:10:39

also very chill. Yeah. Yeah,

1:10:41

very soon as it's a sofa or

1:10:44

mom is fully in our window years

1:10:46

And I mean like reading looking on

1:10:48

a window. Is her a posting? And

1:10:50

I guess I'm very jealous of that.

1:10:52

She has that that time which also

1:10:55

like some snap a couple pictures every

1:10:57

now and again. This is what it

1:10:59

looks like just out the window like

1:11:01

as is this is from my reading

1:11:03

share This is what I see him

1:11:05

like with it gets sent us and

1:11:07

one of her sisters if I close

1:11:09

my back paintings. had Sicily the same

1:11:11

thing with differently. Know if is

1:11:13

it for the exact same angle on fire?

1:11:15

Like how much is your yard or that you

1:11:17

know exterior really get. It seems like an era

1:11:19

where your house as I can do not and

1:11:21

a moving train. You you are in a

1:11:23

scene the same. This. Entire

1:11:25

you are, it's so you. And

1:11:28

then ah, took a trip to

1:11:30

Amsterdam. And then I'm an account. This

1:11:32

is a family said because he's your family now.

1:11:34

But this is before you aren't married. Yeah.

1:11:37

A little weird. like just started. Dating like I

1:11:39

think we were media like. A month and a half

1:11:41

media a bit more. Yes, and that's a

1:11:43

pretty bold trip to take a month and

1:11:45

a half and. Yeah.

1:11:47

well he went there and i think i

1:11:50

as i tend not let this guy though

1:11:52

like I really i and my time as

1:11:54

a little bit in my special but as

1:11:56

it's like we've just started dating i say

1:11:58

the had this I sat. Brand Awareness

1:12:00

I told. You. Know when

1:12:02

George Costanza just changes everything he does

1:12:05

and he's like I'm Georgia Balding and

1:12:07

I love my parents or whatever and

1:12:09

that ladies like I am, Victoria like

1:12:11

ice really is applied in whatever ideal

1:12:13

is my to. Whatever I've been doing,

1:12:15

it doesn't where it's like. I'm

1:12:18

just afraid of this.

1:12:20

Contrary acts and. Like

1:12:22

I'm do indifference death and cell

1:12:24

lung. Said as. He.

1:12:27

Named being like I had an especial that I

1:12:29

tried to be like so I know to like

1:12:31

what's up with you in Amsterdam and have like

1:12:33

other lover you know like trying to be like

1:12:35

as if I have lovers I remember I get

1:12:38

I just like I am as such a monogamous

1:12:40

and I'm you know it's I wouldn't have been

1:12:42

cool with it and whatever but than I would

1:12:44

sign of Hl I think he thought I was

1:12:46

pretty relaxed. And any

1:12:48

but then when he invited me to Amsterdam as

1:12:50

you. Might run away. With

1:12:54

that, a good trip. With that a fun. Time.

1:12:57

I mean I I guess if he lived there he served

1:12:59

new all the ins and outs. He. Was

1:13:01

it is. Honestly was like

1:13:04

such a romantic wonderful trip

1:13:06

and it's. I

1:13:09

I mentioned in my special that like he

1:13:11

assumed that I would ride a bike with

1:13:13

him which just was devastating to me

1:13:15

and I didn't want to and has or

1:13:18

leads to a greater thing that site. Oh

1:13:20

my god I'm really not the right person

1:13:23

for him as he doesn't understand that I

1:13:25

hate this and not only the here I

1:13:27

like I can free of the and I

1:13:29

don't think it's fun and I think it's

1:13:31

like stupid and I don't want to. but

1:13:33

I did ride the bike and. says.

1:13:37

That I told this t when I saw you

1:13:39

on your. Own get

1:13:41

there. but the funny as sweet

1:13:43

as soon. Lissa. I

1:13:46

vowed this whole group home. On

1:13:48

Oversight. This you know of. It's revolt. So

1:13:50

fucking scared and but he hadn't

1:13:52

made up. He got us tickets

1:13:55

to go to like us. Family

1:13:57

circus were like the grandparents were

1:13:59

the star. And my grandfather

1:14:01

was a strong man and he was

1:14:03

I I am I said I'm a

1:14:05

deli adventurous. these about lifting at least

1:14:07

four people have since ah my preparing

1:14:10

like system they use the most a

1:14:12

teeny tiny like sorts you know as

1:14:14

a talented Mr. Ripley satellite, tiny shards

1:14:16

and is a billion years old. so

1:14:18

freakin' strong. And then and the main

1:14:20

and everybody in both says it's a

1:14:23

sort of part of the family. But

1:14:25

then there was one clown and his

1:14:27

joke was that he ate like a

1:14:29

spicy soup. Try

1:14:32

to. Get to the toilet and they're like

1:14:35

their movements oil and all around mit.

1:14:39

And like as until he he finds his

1:14:41

toilet and say just sit a full on

1:14:43

seen of him having diarrhea and they don't

1:14:45

tell his buttery lucky but like it was

1:14:47

friends and will have covered up but his

1:14:50

his legs were like spread out you know

1:14:52

like as if he was having a baby

1:14:54

and it was just and it was like

1:14:56

i just see this is exploding you know

1:14:59

invisible diarrhea being like are ya ya ya

1:15:01

in a language that he didn't understand. Had

1:15:03

no idea what what's the story was but

1:15:06

i was laughing so hard and then light.

1:15:08

At. The end when the grandparents I kiss each other

1:15:10

to say like love their cell and they love each

1:15:13

other they care so started crying really hard and it's

1:15:15

it's it's are. Referred

1:15:17

sucks, but the surface cooper said.

1:15:20

Nothing could be more on brand funny.

1:15:22

he as I miss surface this diary

1:15:24

a clown. With. Them grandparents. yeah

1:15:27

I think yes I do think they

1:15:29

are very grand. It isn't like of

1:15:31

those. The revelation of. Not

1:15:34

understanding that you hate a bike,

1:15:36

but also understanding that you'd love

1:15:38

the circus. We're. Kind

1:15:41

of like a perfect like that's a bow where

1:15:43

going to get out of a spouse's like they're

1:15:45

gonna nail it. Yeah. Hundred percent.

1:15:47

but then a like get it zero percent

1:15:49

right? maybe on how to get their. Yeah,

1:15:52

that's right, and it's and it's like it

1:15:54

was. It was like, I mean, I guess

1:15:56

I'd fully had to call my therapist from this they

1:15:58

case and like, Factor.

1:16:01

Or guy and she'll you know she like

1:16:04

really toss me down because I just for

1:16:06

so I would never live abroad you know

1:16:08

like I would never live in Amsterdam I

1:16:10

have like as I mean I'm an American

1:16:12

performer I need to lives in the United

1:16:15

States There's no option. like if you wanted

1:16:17

to keep living their advice and ten after

1:16:19

you know just maybe I can but I

1:16:21

can I can I give my career at

1:16:23

that you know like moses be eyes as

1:16:26

exciting as but then the best thing that

1:16:28

Amsterdam is like. Literally. Any

1:16:30

kind of say everybody's thinking beer

1:16:32

and services. I kind of bugs

1:16:35

the all kinds of being like

1:16:37

I saw the euro hurling science

1:16:39

but but. When we finally

1:16:41

got off these bite. I'm.

1:16:45

Ah and other vault. How

1:16:48

do. I mean like sounds as

1:16:50

though and. I'm really really scared

1:16:52

of Bytes on Mind's Eye On I've never ridden

1:16:55

a bike in a city before the for one

1:16:57

time I'm like a job like on a show

1:16:59

I had to write a bike but he was

1:17:01

like you are free. And

1:17:03

then and on. goods, Yeah.

1:17:05

But you know, like I tried to have fun

1:17:07

and you know, like I wanted to do it and

1:17:10

he was like but. Did. You

1:17:12

know, you know, Notice.

1:17:14

That your vice. Is completely

1:17:16

broken and when we.

1:17:18

Looked at the actual bites it was said

1:17:20

slowly like bands and like like it had

1:17:22

been the whole time. I notice and of

1:17:25

exists bikes are getting stressed. Specific sites like

1:17:27

them like the version of like a car

1:17:29

that has like something wrong with his axles

1:17:31

or something like a just like the front

1:17:33

wheel with like always going wrong and I

1:17:36

and I was. I was like I'd like

1:17:38

to try to make it go straight but

1:17:40

honestly I completely internalize hadn't thought it was

1:17:42

like my own emotional issues. Rather

1:17:45

than that the bike was actually broken and so

1:17:47

anyways did. plus side of this the said he

1:17:49

was like. Wow. You.

1:17:52

You. Eat You? Really? Go

1:17:54

for it! And I was like. That's.

1:17:57

Really nice thing for him to think like it's I

1:17:59

don't care that he. The North that I'm afraid of the

1:18:01

by now like now. He just thinks I'm kind of like. From.

1:18:03

Probably more courageous and I am us. But this

1:18:06

isn't. Yet. Another as it has given I mean

1:18:08

why not where you are was part of being

1:18:10

afraid of bikes that one of them had hit

1:18:12

your dad and. A

1:18:15

specific as. Well

1:18:20

as in a way I says like

1:18:22

and free therapist he always like her

1:18:24

down at us now is so. Perfectly

1:18:26

land and like I say the in

1:18:28

and and honestly I've never seen advice

1:18:30

do anything. The will. Have. Only

1:18:33

been to night you know? Just

1:18:36

as a public service I just don't You

1:18:38

had mentioned Hawaii earlier and a Luau and

1:18:41

I went to Hawaii once and I insisted

1:18:43

with the three friends I was with I

1:18:45

was like let's go to this Lou our

1:18:47

I was like i'll pay for it says

1:18:50

it is not a good idea iraqi yeah

1:18:52

what was your experience of this as a

1:18:54

luau that you did? I mean it was

1:18:56

like it was a hotel sponsored luau home

1:18:59

and it's just it's just sell like. It.

1:19:01

Was being put on by. By.

1:19:04

Like local people who are like we make

1:19:06

you know this as we make some money

1:19:08

doing this but this is like is about

1:19:11

this is not your thing Yeah yeah yeah

1:19:13

yeah there was a bomb and it is

1:19:15

said and it feels like the kind of

1:19:17

thing like as when you go to Hawaii

1:19:19

you're like would this is a Hawaiian saying

1:19:22

that it just felt so hand and it

1:19:24

felt borderline an appropriate else or yeah the

1:19:26

hands. Yeah so I would just say as

1:19:28

as a public service. Skip

1:19:31

it. It didn't have

1:19:33

the authenticity of journeys

1:19:35

dad's family circus. right?

1:19:38

There was out that the know own

1:19:40

people tested the under the hotel Luau

1:19:42

oh my size it settlers it was

1:19:44

so girl. It was so great.

1:19:46

Like i guess I'll never forget that circus

1:19:48

and of it's very very romantic on me

1:19:50

Drank this one that they call like. Glue.

1:19:54

Glues blue line the as

1:19:56

young as a less. Eternally?

1:19:59

Yeah. That made it even harder. Or

1:20:01

the athletes ride my broken. The

1:20:04

scary part is. I think there's

1:20:06

something very romantic about cause when Alexi and

1:20:08

I first started dating pretty early on Josh

1:20:10

and I used to go back to Amsterdam

1:20:12

for Thanksgiving with my parents and he came

1:20:14

and I think that's very is very romantic

1:20:16

to say to anyone. This is a city

1:20:19

I know and I would like to so

1:20:21

you about the city and Alexi has done

1:20:23

it for me and a million places. but

1:20:25

I think it's really cool to be able

1:20:27

to. You've. Never been here let

1:20:29

me ah and be so you the

1:20:32

cafes so around and said and like

1:20:34

week. We. Thought I say Christmas

1:20:36

T Together Adams and and

1:20:39

we. Have

1:20:41

been several one he he

1:20:43

didn't sell at a dinner

1:20:45

party. little.com. Adams and

1:20:47

we played that game where you put

1:20:49

that know they are you eat out

1:20:52

a poster. Celebrity? Yeah. Yeah and

1:20:54

I some people thought that the phone. I

1:20:56

guess that this is like the out as

1:20:58

authentic Amsterdam for the states and yes I'm

1:21:01

here now. Had been talking about. We.

1:21:03

Have been hot. Oh I wanted to

1:21:05

go. we'd like to get it a

1:21:07

little stop and bruises and I wanted

1:21:10

to go to the New Zealand Medieval

1:21:12

Torture Museum. Speakers

1:21:14

honestly what the hell her those people

1:21:16

doing they are car or a the

1:21:19

there's averted. They were crazy what they

1:21:21

did. I mean it just sell over

1:21:23

the tops and but one of the

1:21:25

you know the main things that we

1:21:27

were time that list Vlad the. Impaler

1:21:30

of this kind of let the

1:21:32

prototype for Dracula and. And

1:21:35

we just had a long conversation about it and

1:21:37

I remember being robbed. I've never

1:21:39

had this is anyone before like I've

1:21:41

known as an end the Medieval torture

1:21:44

museum has. I get a leak in

1:21:46

there and legs and setup. And

1:21:49

we didn't know we were to a new of a

1:21:51

couple like nobody had. Apparently. Nobody

1:21:53

had started yet at work. Either

1:21:56

as a vice versa.

1:22:00

Back when I was in are still eating eating

1:22:02

gluten so I would far at like ninety five

1:22:04

times a day and but now I'm really it's

1:22:06

once. it's once a semester for me which is

1:22:09

incredible by an average sized. So we go to

1:22:11

this medieval torture museum and I was like. Is.

1:22:14

As as immersive like as as part of it that

1:22:16

lights were like kind of in like a fart. In

1:22:19

a bar if you know, like we're at

1:22:21

it outside. Because I was very on edge of as I

1:22:23

go. This is what it was like in. Medieval Times that

1:22:25

everyone just that I'm certain. There

1:22:29

are discussing. I know now that.

1:22:32

I'm I I remember as like hot

1:22:34

and for so long about lod the

1:22:36

inhaler and then I'm feeling like wow

1:22:38

I really genuinely hadn't I don't I

1:22:40

did not believe in soul mates and

1:22:42

and I was like I genuinely think

1:22:44

the skies my soulmate like a chess

1:22:46

is the best is the best and

1:22:48

then being like did you. Smell.

1:22:50

Lunch. And he was like is not

1:22:52

my parents are they gonna feel Also have an armada

1:22:55

for that We went to dinner party with such friends

1:22:57

and this is like it wasn't like I was there

1:22:59

for like two weeks and it was it and they're

1:23:01

playing that game and we put the. You

1:23:04

know that the papers on our our heads

1:23:06

and everyone was looking at us? All.

1:23:08

I could see that his.

1:23:11

I I wrote that killer. And

1:23:13

I didn't know of mine said but it turned

1:23:15

out that I had said that the lead lead

1:23:17

put flawed the inhaler and when we both like

1:23:20

figured out that we were candid photos you know

1:23:22

had put the same person and we were still

1:23:24

thinking about it. Never like this couple is so.

1:23:26

Weird, but it's it's.

1:23:28

so romantic. It was like

1:23:30

so I just love the whole thing is

1:23:32

very nice. Aren't great him

1:23:34

and I'm glad Odyssey turned out he

1:23:37

was your soulmate. am very nice, very

1:23:39

nice and next journey this has been

1:23:41

a total belabor. You're not off the

1:23:43

hook yeah because Josh was going ask

1:23:45

you some quick questions. Is everybody get

1:23:47

us up? Everybody gets asked. everybody's get

1:23:50

off. Every getting an

1:23:52

ambitious rest of his arm or you

1:23:54

can only pick one of these is

1:23:56

your ideal vacation. Relaxing, adventurous, are educational,

1:24:02

What is your favorite means of

1:24:04

transportation? Train play an automobile by

1:24:06

both your own to see. Ah,

1:24:08

I love chain! Yeah.

1:24:12

We agree that yes, If.

1:24:14

You could take a vacation with any

1:24:16

family alive or dead, real or fictional

1:24:19

other than your own family. Which.

1:24:21

Family Would you like to take a family

1:24:23

vacation with? Oh wow. I

1:24:28

words light kill, it's hate.

1:24:30

Well that was like Ah

1:24:32

said, the White family from

1:24:34

the White Lotus season one.

1:24:38

Another. I

1:24:40

mean me early nineties? I mean I have a

1:24:43

good bag. Yes I guess you

1:24:45

know what I just re read

1:24:47

and then I watched the movie

1:24:49

is a room with a view

1:24:52

which is a gorgeous film and

1:24:54

I would hate and I would

1:24:56

take a vacation with the the

1:24:58

father and son pair because they're

1:25:01

so. Spirited. And I

1:25:03

love them and and as the splits I would love

1:25:05

to do that. Or

1:25:07

I want this is as a dark

1:25:10

the answer is no please. If you

1:25:12

had to be stranded on a desert

1:25:14

island with one member of your family,

1:25:16

who would it be? Since. Now.

1:25:18

Yeah right yeah with less I think. look it's

1:25:20

come across the view like the do. I like

1:25:23

a melodic aca via an. Eye. Out

1:25:25

on your from is it

1:25:27

Milton Massachusetts? I would you

1:25:29

recommend Milton as a vacation

1:25:32

destination? Know I would not. I

1:25:34

would not accept I would Not

1:25:36

want. I would Not. Said. Get

1:25:39

out and we don't recommend our home down as

1:25:41

a vacation destination so we don't have the right

1:25:43

up there. but it's not a good the case

1:25:46

in. Not ascendant is there some in other marshes

1:25:48

but there's not much as I water is. I

1:25:50

don't think there's a hotel there has. where would

1:25:52

you down you know. That. Of yeah yeah. Disarm

1:25:55

And then South has our our final

1:25:57

question sir. Final question. Is potentially

1:25:59

two parter. Have you been to the Grand Canyon?

1:26:04

Is it worth it? On

1:26:07

Now. Awaits lot

1:26:09

of course it as a how old

1:26:11

were you when you when. I

1:26:13

was ours is I was. Thirteen.

1:26:18

Okay, like real, this is it as an

1:26:21

adult. Bounce on it and it was worth

1:26:23

it. I. Think it was worth it. It was

1:26:25

like a real but I did it in the

1:26:27

best way which is as I got so is

1:26:29

that that. That was it a go

1:26:32

there. And then we went daughter and we realize

1:26:34

we just looked. Over at. But

1:26:36

I just am. You

1:26:38

know I can't really an unsettled

1:26:40

around like crevasses and or lights

1:26:42

expanses a don't and desert underside

1:26:44

same way I know like I

1:26:46

don't want to fall down and

1:26:49

I'm thirsty. this is to seems

1:26:51

really old I don't like like

1:26:53

seeing the earth opened up. A

1:26:55

distance has sunny Sunday the remaining in

1:26:57

the paper said and just it's not.

1:27:00

It's very stressful for me. As I

1:27:02

said in a seen him many times

1:27:04

from an airplane and that I'll do

1:27:06

it. Yeah, I think I'm

1:27:08

with you one hundred percent. It almost feels

1:27:11

like a trap to mean like Majors trap

1:27:13

like get some of Venus Flytrap. But for

1:27:15

people? Yeah yeah. I like the you said

1:27:17

it was worth it. And then. Couldn't.

1:27:20

Have said more negative things about early but

1:27:22

you know when. It's

1:27:24

like this. Is like the Grand Canyon

1:27:27

was right there and news is like.

1:27:29

Were. Yeah, I didn't even get I. Yeah,

1:27:31

lights. I think it's. The you know I

1:27:34

I think it's a little bit like you'd the way

1:27:36

you gonna bike in Amsterdam which is you new look

1:27:38

what? am I good? You don't ruin this whole day.

1:27:40

In all, do a thing that I'm not dying

1:27:43

to do, but it's better than the alternative. Now

1:27:45

they're into the abyss. You. Know. Thank

1:27:49

you so much Any this is such a delayed to

1:27:51

see you as it always is. Thanks. For having

1:27:53

me this is really sun lamp. Fancy

1:27:55

of yes. Thank you! Say

1:27:57

hi to Storm next time you see him

1:27:59

for. Empathy? Yeah, My

1:28:06

daily lives in a. City

1:28:24

where. The he way

1:28:26

we're for families. Do

1:28:28

the. The.

1:28:34

Which. Is. Truly

1:28:39

a. Honor

1:28:50

know.