Human joy machines Zach Reino and Jess McKenna (Off Book Podcast) join me to talk about finding their niche in comedy with their musical improv podcast, the decision to leave their podcast network Earwolf, moving to the Patreon-backed website Memberful, creating tiers for their existing audience, and how focusing on spreading joy has helped them direct their creative endeavors within a sometimes-toxic comedy world.

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