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here's Frank Scott and Chris. Welcome into

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a bonus edition of Fantasy Baseball today

1:25

on Thursday, March 28th. Frank

1:27

Stample joined by Chris Towers and a

1:29

very special guest, one that has racked

1:32

up 1382 managerial wins, three-time

1:36

manager of the year, two-time

1:38

pennant winner and 2016

1:41

World Series champion. Welcome to the show,

1:43

Joe Madden. What's going on Joe? Hi

1:45

Frank and Chris. All good man. I'm

1:47

in Pennsylvania not far from you guys.

1:50

Happy opening day. I'm excited

1:52

about this like you guys are. So I'm having a

1:54

good old time and I'll start watching

1:56

the games a bit later today too. Yep, we

1:58

were talking beforehand. No early

2:01

games because of the weather, but thank you so much

2:03

for taking the time. Happy opening day to you as

2:05

well. It kind of feels like it should be a national

2:07

holiday, right? No one has to work. No one has

2:09

to go to school. Just watch baseball all day, right? It

2:11

used to be like that when Cincinnati was the opening

2:13

day back in the day. It was all about the Reds

2:16

and it was pretty certain that the kids got

2:19

off from school. It was a big event. There

2:21

was a parade, all that kind of good stuff.

2:23

I mean, we've gotten away from some traditions. I

2:25

understand the impact of

2:27

having everybody play today and what

2:30

that's all about, etc. But there was something cool

2:32

about that when the Reds used to open

2:34

up the season. You knew baseball

2:36

season was officially open when the

2:38

Cincinnati Reds versus whomever played in

2:40

Cincinnati and everything shut down. I think we need

2:42

like three extra national holidays right at the beginning

2:45

of the year. We need the

2:47

day after the Super Bowl, the first

2:49

day of the NCAA tournament, an opening day of

2:51

baseball. Let's just get one in February, March and

2:53

April. Let's do it. Nothing wrong with

2:55

that. I mean, those are really deserving

2:58

kind of days. And

3:00

I think post Super Bowl probably ranks at

3:02

the most important one, it sounds like. At

3:04

least productive day of the year, for sure.

3:08

I got to get myself together again. I get it.

3:10

Totally get it. Joey, we've got some questions

3:12

for you regarding players that you've managed, different

3:14

teams that you've managed, some stats, analytics, things

3:16

like that. But let's start off here. So

3:19

stolen bases are very important in fantasy

3:21

baseball. Ron Washington wants the Angels to

3:23

run more this year. We know that

3:26

you have managed Mike Trout and he

3:28

is very fast, certainly fast enough to

3:30

steal, I would imagine, many bases. But

3:32

he has the six stolen bases over the past four

3:35

years. Do you think Mike Trout will run

3:37

more this year or do they maybe need

3:39

to preserve him so that he could stay on the field

3:41

more? I

3:44

would bet that he's not going to run much more if

3:47

I had to bet. Because when I was

3:49

with Michael, I mean, he's had a lot of injuries, man.

3:51

If you want, it's wonderful.

3:54

I think if it's obvious that it's

3:56

a no-brainer goal because there's no chance

3:58

to get you thrown. out or if you

4:00

have to really work at it, it would be a different thought. So

4:03

I would say this probably might

4:05

be an uptick, but not to the

4:07

level that it's going to be prodigiously

4:10

different. I think you're going to see a lot of the same.

4:13

How would you have handled the

4:15

change in the rules last year

4:17

and how would your teams have

4:19

played if you were managing with the

4:21

limitations on pick-offs and all the stuff

4:24

that we saw last year? Yeah,

4:26

I mean, that was really, okay, from an

4:28

offensive perspective, you would really work on that in

4:31

the off-season, I mean, in the spring training off-season

4:34

to really try to encourage guys to go more often.

4:37

Primarily between first and second, obviously second and

4:39

third has always been to me

4:42

like somebody that's really slow and definitely a left-hander you

4:44

want to take advantage of, but trying to

4:46

steal second base, the

4:48

fact that you have limited times to

4:50

throw over. Yeah, I mean, there

4:53

would be probably some hard and

4:55

fast rules you would discover by doing the season that

4:57

you would want to incorporate with your team to

4:59

make sure that they did run more

5:01

often. So yes, that would be part of

5:04

it. Now from the defensive side, I

5:06

was surprised there wasn't more pitch-outs. That's

5:08

the one thing I was surprised with. You

5:11

get to that second time throw over just through

5:14

advanced scouting and knowing who you're playing. I think

5:16

that you'd have had been able to take

5:18

some guesses regarding

5:21

pitch-outs, especially with guys with command, your

5:23

pitchers with command, that you weren't really

5:25

concerned with them giving

5:27

them a ball, right? Analytically, that's

5:30

frowned upon. I know that. But

5:32

again, I mean, that's a perfect world.

5:35

We're talking about an imperfect world. If

5:37

I could dissuade you from trying to

5:39

steal only because I've thrown

5:41

over twice, there's some kind

5:43

of advantage to be gained from that. So I

5:46

think offensively, go. And

5:50

we would definitely try to pinpoint exactly who's

5:52

going to be brave or who's going to try different

5:55

things or not. And once you've determined that,

5:57

because it's going to hold true, managers are going to

5:59

be the same. They're going

6:01

to adhere to the

6:03

same kind of routines,

6:06

and you're going to know that. And conversely, defensively,

6:08

I'd have been more aggressive, I think, with

6:11

a pitch-up. Yeah, so we're talking about

6:13

stolen bases here early on, and steals were up

6:15

last year, kind of pondering whether or not Mike

6:17

Trout could run more. There were

6:19

three players with 50-plus stolen bases last

6:21

year. Ronald Acuna led baseball with 73

6:23

steals. You

6:25

had the pleasure of managing some really fast

6:28

players yourself. Somebody like Carl Crawford,

6:30

right back in the day, how many

6:32

steals do you think someone like Carl Crawford would have

6:34

had in this environment? Again, it's about

6:36

beating up your body, too. I mean, that's not

6:38

even discussed. Back

6:41

when Ricky did it, and

6:43

Rock Reigns did it, and to

6:46

a different level, like even Vince Coleman, of course, there's

6:48

a lot of beating up of your body going on right

6:50

there. So that would be part

6:52

of the consideration. So my point is,

6:55

I don't know if Carl would have run more, only

6:58

because his body would stand so many.

7:01

And Carl always slid feet first. He wasn't a

7:03

head-first slider. So how

7:05

much of that could your body absorb?

7:07

How many strawberries? How many,

7:10

how hard is the ground in this particular field? You

7:12

know that going into it. So am I

7:15

going to try this or not? So I don't know.

7:17

I mean, I would say there'd be an uptick. I

7:19

don't think it'd be as significant as you would think.

7:21

Whatever his biggest number was, maybe add 10 or 15,

7:23

I think. You

7:26

have to consider the physical toll it takes on

7:28

a guy too, and his

7:30

willingness to keep beating his body up.

7:32

Yeah. I mean, that makes me think of like, I

7:35

was a Marlins fan growing up. I'm still a

7:37

Marlins fan. I always remember Juan Pierre would hold

7:39

his batting gloves while he slid

7:41

head-first. And that's one of those things that,

7:43

you know, for fantasy, we just, just run,

7:45

just go, go, go. But

7:48

there are those kind of things that we don't necessarily

7:50

take into account, like trying to stay

7:52

upright. And that's why I think the Mike Trout

7:54

question, you know, we've

7:57

been trying to figure out he's still one of the

7:59

fastest players in the league. by all the tracking stats,

8:01

but it's just how much of it

8:03

is just, it's harder for him

8:05

to stay on the field when he's running

8:07

like that. So, you know, that perspective is

8:09

interesting. Yeah. Yeah, to me, that's all it's

8:11

about. I mean, if

8:13

he was in his mid 20s and

8:15

never had all these little maladies, I'm

8:18

sure this rule he would have been

8:20

salivating over this rule, right? But under

8:22

the circumstances where he's at, you look at it

8:24

recent last couple of years, how

8:26

much he's not been on the field and

8:29

why would he want to contribute to the potential of

8:31

that happening again, which he is. I mean,

8:33

by just not only the fact that you're running

8:35

and sliding, but just starting and stopping what it

8:37

does to your legs to go

8:40

and I didn't get a good

8:42

jump and stop. I mean, there's a lot of

8:44

stuff going on out there that's never accounted for

8:47

that takes us tall.

8:49

So I would bet that he

8:51

might, but not by a lot. On a

8:53

kind of similar note, you know, you

8:56

managed to show Hey, O'Tani when he was both

8:58

pitching and and hitting and this season

9:00

coming back from elbow

9:03

reconstruction, not Tommy John. Do you

9:05

think there's a chance he can be even better

9:08

of a hitter this season when he's not

9:10

having to focus on pitching once a week? I

9:13

think the theoretically would think that, but the part that I

9:15

would concern me is the fact that, you know, all the

9:17

rest of the split is concentration. Thus, is he going to

9:19

think too much about it? Is he going to work too

9:21

hard on it? Does he not have this other

9:24

thing to go to when he isn't feeling really well? Again,

9:27

is he just going to focus too heavily

9:29

on it? Now? Okay. You

9:31

would think again, I mean, I think in a perfect role that

9:33

you would think that yeah, he's gonna, it's gonna

9:35

be better because this is all I got to worry about

9:37

today. But I actually even have

9:39

BJ as a possible topic

9:42

here today. When I

9:44

had BJ as my first year with the Rays,

9:46

he was coming up and

9:48

defense there

9:51

was, it was an infield there. So there's a

9:53

concern like errors, this and

9:55

that, where you're going to play him. So I

9:57

thought in order to get his bat rolling and

9:59

really, he played his offensive potential.

10:01

Give him several defensive positions to play

10:03

because he would then focus on that

10:06

and then he would just go hit. He didn't have time

10:08

to think about it sitting enough to

10:10

the point where it's going to get in the

10:12

way. So actually I thought the method

10:15

of, okay, I want you to have a

10:17

second base glove, a short stock glove, an

10:19

outfield glove, etc. So every day I

10:21

want you to take ground balls, whatever, all these different

10:23

places and then go ahead of course.

10:26

So now I'm not going to, he's not

10:28

going to spend all this in order amount of

10:30

time worrying about his offense where he's

10:32

got to think about all these defensive stuff. So

10:34

I don't know if I can just focus on one thing

10:36

if that's necessarily going to be better or not. Interesting.

10:39

Joe, you had the pleasure of managing both

10:41

Trout and Otani on the same team, two

10:43

of the best players of this generation, maybe

10:45

all time. I'm sorry, but I've got to

10:47

put you on the spot. If you could

10:50

build a team around just one of them,

10:52

Mike Trout or Shohei Otani, who would it

10:54

be? Well, it's a

10:56

tough one. I mean, obviously,

10:58

you know, Shohei is the,

11:02

everybody uses the term unicorn, whatever that

11:04

is. The

11:07

fact that he can win, I don't

11:09

say 20 games, I don't know that he's going to pitch

11:12

it off in enough innings to

11:14

win 20 games, but he should be

11:16

good between 12 to 15 is a good

11:18

year for him. And offensively, he's

11:20

not going to gain you any

11:23

points on defense necessarily, but offensively,

11:26

you've seen what he's already done. And

11:28

the part about him that you're

11:31

going to see if you talk about Trouty Shohei is

11:33

going to run this year, I think. So you're going

11:35

to see even more benefit from him offensively from the

11:38

space thing perspective. So yeah,

11:40

I would build it around Shohei. The other thing

11:43

about Shohei is just say he can't pitch anymore.

11:45

Just say, just say something happens

11:47

or this guy could be

11:49

an all-star and Hall of Fame performer on

11:51

defense. I would say right field. So

11:55

I think if you really wanted to pair

11:57

him up, you got Trouty's in every day.

11:59

center fielder, show he's an

12:02

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12:04

interesting who would you pick. But the

12:06

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Joe and Stuff Plus

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is one that's grown in popularity

13:19

in recent years and it attempts

13:21

to do exactly that. Measure the

13:23

stuff of certain pitches using various

13:26

pitch characteristics whether it's velocity, release

13:28

points, spin rates. Did you

13:30

ever have something like that all encompassing

13:32

Stuff Plus or did

13:34

you ever use anything like that? Do you

13:36

find it to be predictive because well we're

13:38

trying to do you know fantasy baseball, we're

13:41

trying to predict performance. So what do you

13:43

think about stats like that? Stats

13:45

like that I think would if you

13:47

have a platoon especially offensively

13:49

I really like that kind of stuff. I

13:51

mean who's sensitive to elevated velocity as

13:53

an example as a hitter who really

13:56

handles the elevated velocity. Who

13:58

is a big chase guy versus the pitch

14:00

that relies on Chase. I mean, I think

14:02

it's very predictive in that regard. And furthermore,

14:04

to give somebody a day off, a regular

14:06

day off, you would look into those kind

14:09

of things to really try to maximize

14:11

the day off in regards to

14:13

this is the least good or

14:16

potentially good match up. So this is the day

14:18

I want to give Mikey

14:20

off, try it off or Shohei

14:22

off. The platoon guy,

14:26

definitely you would read into those kind of

14:29

things to match them up. Even at

14:31

the point, I might play a right on right or left on

14:33

left. I mean, the reverse

14:35

split stuff doesn't get spoken

14:37

about enough. If you remember, we played

14:39

Romero, the pitcher for the Blue

14:42

Jays several years ago. He was from

14:44

Cal State Fullerton, left hander. I

14:47

wanted all lefties on him. And

14:49

then they had Markham. Was

14:51

it Markham, the right handed pitcher? Yeah. Say

14:55

opposite. I wanted all righties on him.

14:57

So I would look at all this

14:59

stuff, the reverse splits as

15:01

an example, reverse splits, elevated

15:04

sensitivity to velocity, sensitivity to chase,

15:06

talking from an offensive perspective right

15:08

now. I think that's where you

15:10

really delve into it. On

15:13

the pitching side of it, it's more bullpen related, I

15:15

think, regards to match ups. Because

15:18

you're going to pitch your starter regardless.

15:20

Although if you have a chance to, I

15:24

might start Frank today instead of Chris based

15:26

on stuff, last game of the series,

15:29

I might choose one or the other based on their lineup

15:31

versus your abilities as an

15:33

example. So yeah, you look at all

15:36

that stuff all the time. Regular

15:39

player, everyday player, well

15:41

rested, you probably don't even consider any of

15:43

that. But it's the

15:47

platoon guy. If you're looking to give

15:49

somebody a rest, I'd be more delving

15:53

into that kind of stuff. And this goes

15:55

back. This goes back to shoot with

15:57

the Rays in the devil Rays.

16:00

That's where we started doing this stuff. Andrew and

16:03

I and Eric would get together and they would point

16:05

these things out to me because I did that prior

16:07

to that when I was at the Angels, but

16:10

I didn't have the sensitivity of

16:12

elevated velocity baked into my

16:14

number or the fact of somebody chased

16:16

her. And it was primarily reverse split kind of a

16:18

thing. It was a big thing for me. I

16:21

would look a little bit about history, but

16:23

I knew that there was not necessarily indicative.

16:26

So it was prodigious. It

16:29

was a guy that just absolutely

16:31

killed David Price. I mean, he killed

16:33

him. He was like 12 for 10 against him, right?

16:36

Something stupid like that. So it's a

16:38

small sample size. Why did you want to go that?

16:40

Well, I'll tell you why. Because when

16:42

that dude walks in the baddest block, David knows

16:44

that he beats him up. That

16:46

matters too. So there's human elements

16:48

to this match of stuff that

16:51

I would not run away from. But

16:53

when it came out to the mathematical side, it was

16:55

absolutely into it. So one thing

16:57

that all that makes me think of is like you

16:59

look at the team like the Rays now who they

17:03

don't necessarily have like the superstar player. They

17:05

don't have a show hair tie. They don't

17:07

have a mic trout. So they

17:09

sort of approach the regular season as

17:11

if every game's a playoff game. And

17:14

you know, they're I did. We did. Yeah.

17:18

And that's probably what you have to when you're when you're playing

17:20

in a small market and you don't have the resources to compete.

17:22

You've got it. But one thing that I

17:24

think about with the Rays is, you know, there's a lot of talk

17:26

every year about they go out and they

17:28

win 90, 96, 100 games in the regular season. And

17:31

then, you know, they've only won one postseason game in the last three

17:33

years. And it makes me think of, you know,

17:35

Billy Bean, the famous quote, our, you know,

17:37

our stuff doesn't work in the

17:40

playoffs. And I just I wonder, is that something

17:42

with the Rays where because they're treating every regular

17:44

season game like the playoffs, are they

17:46

at a disadvantage when it comes to the playoffs or is it

17:48

just randomness? I still think

17:50

it's randomness. I do. We

17:53

OK, we 2008, we go all the way to the World Series,

17:55

right? That

17:58

was a good team. We had a we had a really well balanced

18:00

team and we could hit for

18:02

power run. We had a great defensive team.

18:04

If anything, we probably, which was our strength,

18:06

was our normally is our strength.

18:08

The pitching was kind of woven

18:12

together. I mean, we lost Percy. So

18:14

all of a sudden, Balfour and JP

18:16

Howe become your guys. Middle inning closers

18:18

became popular with us back then offensively.

18:20

We did do some platooning, but we played

18:23

some defense brother. We had some

18:25

defenders on that team and that always showed

18:27

up on a daily basis. So where

18:30

we built for it, I just

18:32

think that team had the depth to perform that time

18:34

of the year. Part of it was that we had

18:37

to play the Red Sox a lot and beat them.

18:39

And we had to play the Yankees a lot and

18:41

beat them. So there's like this competitive thing that you

18:43

learn how to win in very

18:45

difficult venues on the road. But

18:48

then you go back to that. We couldn't get past

18:50

the Rangers. Adrian

18:53

Beltran, three

18:55

homers in one game beats us in at

18:58

the top. Okay, we, I think it

19:00

was three to two or four to whatever, but you

19:03

got this superstar dude, this player

19:05

that just beat you. So

19:08

I don't know if it comes down to

19:10

singular performance sometimes that maybe after

19:12

2008, we didn't necessarily have that

19:15

guy. We're in 2008. I

19:17

mean, look what BJ did, look what Longo did.

19:20

You talked about Carl earlier, Jason,

19:22

Jason, Barley, I'm

19:25

really good player, Carlos.

19:27

We had more of that individual talent, I

19:29

think. And then you get to the later

19:32

years, we pitched our butts

19:34

off, man. So the pitching got really good.

19:36

We caught the ball, but we

19:38

could not score enough. I mean, with the Cubs,

19:40

even with the Cubs, we didn't win some playoff games

19:43

there in

19:45

15 and in 17, just because we didn't score

19:48

enough. I mean, we ran out of offense at

19:50

some point. So I don't know. I mean, I

19:52

don't know if I'm answering your question or not.

19:54

Yeah. I just think that to say

19:59

you're built for it or not, or not. That

20:01

comes up to individuality, man. Do you have Michael

20:04

Jordan on your team? Do you

20:06

have Larry Bird on your team? Do you have Derek

20:08

Jeter on your team? Do you have that one dude

20:11

that just pulls you through in some

20:14

difficult moments? I still believe that

20:16

is why the Yankees dynasty occurred.

20:19

More recently, the Dodgers, they're relying on

20:22

a nice group of guys that

20:24

the leadership is spread out. It's not

20:26

just one or two people. I don't

20:29

know. I did to

20:31

be built for it or not. And

20:34

then again, where the Diamondbacks

20:36

built for it last year, you know?

20:40

Although I love the way they

20:43

played. It's just, I don't know.

20:45

There's no one size

20:47

fits all. On a year annual basis,

20:49

it just changes, I think. Joe,

20:52

let's wrap up with this. I know that you're

20:54

working with Sage here on opening day and I've

20:56

got a video. Mind if I play this for

20:58

you? Wow, go ahead. It's really well done. Joe

21:04

Madden, he came in this morning. He

21:07

got introduced to talking about

21:09

money with budgets, things about

21:11

forecasting, scheduling. Joe? Hey.

21:13

Didn't seem to know his way around

21:15

this environment. He was a little out

21:18

of his element. I'm a little worried

21:20

about Joe, but everything's a baseball analogy and

21:22

we're a construction company. Superintendents to managers. Superintendents

21:25

to your starting pitcher. Okay. Quite frankly, I'm

21:27

looking at that. I don't really understand that.

21:29

You can't always get what you want, but

21:31

you got to make it work somehow. Right.

21:33

But the numbers here show you that you

21:35

can get what you want and the data

21:38

allows you to get the job done right.

21:40

Joe, I'm always looking for the right tools

21:42

and insights so that I can make better

21:44

decisions in my business. I'm all into that.

21:46

I've been a data guy, still am, but

21:49

I'm also a heartbeat guy. I've been

21:51

fortunate to build a team and a lineup

21:53

of good people. You can't get here without

21:55

having a good team behind you. Although that

21:57

is absolutely perfect. Very

22:02

fun stuff. You're working with Sage Joe, a

22:05

company that prides itself on increasing efficiency by

22:07

offering insights and data, which helps you prepare

22:09

for your day-to-day task. Why was this a

22:11

partnership that you were interested in? Well,

22:14

they approached me, first of all, and

22:16

I, in philosophical, you very much aligned

22:18

the union, the marriage between

22:20

data and the heartbeat, and they understood that

22:22

about me, and I understand that about

22:24

them. I think in

22:27

today's game, today's world, in general,

22:30

in industry, all we hear

22:32

about is information, numbers, and math, that we

22:34

don't hear enough about what's

22:36

going on in somebody's chest, their tummy, and in

22:38

their brains. I think it's

22:40

important, it's vital, it's paramount to morph

22:43

together both. Yes, we were just talking

22:45

about that. I explained to you

22:47

why or how it would set

22:50

up match-ups based on sensitivities to different

22:52

issues that I could only know through

22:55

the matrix that I would be receiving,

22:57

and I'd need to know how that

22:59

matrix was manufactured. What

23:01

amount of weight

23:03

did you put into each element of

23:05

this? How much was elevated velocity considered?

23:07

How much was walks over strikeouts considered?

23:09

When I look at this number, I

23:11

always wanted to know how

23:14

did you derive this number, too. Just don't give me a number. What

23:17

was the equation? Who were the analysts that

23:19

put this together? Because go from one

23:21

team to another, you're going to get

23:23

different numbers based on bias

23:26

of each group, and that's just absolutely

23:28

true. You got that, and me as

23:30

the manager, I have to be able

23:32

to read the people that are

23:34

giving me information, too. I don't think that's spoken

23:36

about enough. Then you got me. I've

23:39

been doing this since, I don't

23:41

know, 81, so I've had that

23:43

many years of experience, and

23:45

I will rely on feel and wisdom

23:47

and experience to make judgments

23:50

or decisions, which I

23:52

think is, for lack of a better

23:54

word, wise or sage. I think

23:56

when you just get

23:58

too heavy-handed, One way

24:00

that all analytical or all heartbeat,

24:04

you're missing the point. It's always about balance.

24:06

And that, when I spoke to the

24:08

people from Sage, we

24:10

were absolutely philosophically aligned on that

24:12

point. And to me, that's

24:14

the way to go about either running a

24:16

business or a ball club. Absolutely

24:19

love that. World Series champion, manager

24:21

Joe Madden, we appreciate you so much

24:23

for being here. Happy opening day, man.

24:26

Gentlemen, nice to meet you guys. I wish you nothing

24:28

but the best in the future. That

24:30

was a lot of fun for me. I appreciate it. Thanks, you

24:32

too. We're gonna wrap up for Chris and Joe. I

24:34

am Frank Thanksgiving for tuning in to Fantasy Beast,

24:36

Waltz and A and Queen. And

24:38

I'm your next leader on tonight. Bye-bye. Bye.

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