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just going to go the distance. Looking back at the
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2023 NFL Draft, there weren't too many players who
1:52
were negatively impacted
1:57
by a rookie being brought in.
2:00
in. Now that could be a different story
2:02
this year as we are expecting three stud
2:04
wide receivers to hopefully go in the top
2:06
ten. I think you could obviously look at
2:08
Tyler Algier who was negatively affected last year
2:10
by a running back being brought in. Maybe
2:13
David Montgomery was as well as they
2:15
drafted Jameer Gibbs but will things be
2:18
different this year? We do have some
2:20
pretty high profile offenses, some quarterbacks like
2:22
Josh Allen that need a wide receiver
2:24
and I'm going to stop talking now
2:26
and bring in Dave and Jamie. I'm
2:29
Adam with Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg so we're going
2:31
to talk about players who could be affected the most by
2:33
rookies basically and I think
2:36
the tight end position is interesting. What about Dalton
2:38
Kincaid, Trey McBride, Evan Ingram, what if they draft
2:41
those teams draft a wide receiver in round one?
2:43
What does that mean? Dave, I'm going to kick
2:45
it to you. Give me one player who could
2:47
be most impacted, that does not say most, but
2:49
who could be impacted negatively or
2:51
positively by a rookie being brought
2:54
in on the NFL draft weekend. I
2:56
gave you a list of a lot of players
2:58
who I thought could be negatively impacted and it's
3:00
tough to pick one. I'm going to give you
3:02
a couple of long shots at running back that
3:04
could be negatively impacted and we've
3:07
talked about them. Travis Etienne,
3:09
Rashad White. Etienne's in a contract
3:11
here. The Jaguars have nothing great behind them
3:13
on the depth chart. Bucks have
3:15
nothing great behind Rashad White on the
3:18
depth chart. I would be a little
3:20
scared that both of those teams could
3:22
add a running back that could take
3:24
work away from the studs that we
3:26
love. Is it a bigger concern for
3:28
White than for Etienne as we sit here
3:30
today? I guess,
3:35
but I would understand
3:37
why both of those teams would add a
3:39
running back. Now, I would love
3:41
it if we get through draft weekend and neither of
3:43
them, it's really more of like what's the draft
3:45
capital spent because I would imagine that both of
3:48
those teams would get at least one more running
3:50
back in this graph class. If they do it
3:52
on day three, I'll be
3:54
happy. If it's day two, less
3:57
happy. In fact, the opposite of happy. What
4:00
would that be? Unhappy. There we
4:02
go. Yeah,
4:04
that is the opposite. I'm sorry. I'm
4:07
just trying to remember. Was Tank Bigsby a day
4:09
three pick last year? I
4:11
think he was a day two pick. I think it was
4:13
round three. Yeah, he was round three. I had three.
4:15
Jacksonville would be a little surprising if they added somebody to
4:18
me. Yeah, I
4:20
mean, you can see it on day three. 88th
4:22
overall? 88th overall for Bigsby. Yeah.
4:25
White has not... I thought it was day three. What
4:28
do you want to know? There's a huge difference between round three and
4:30
round four, but there is a difference. But
4:33
White has just not been a good running back. He just doesn't...
4:36
But you keep saying that. It's
4:38
true, though. It's true, though. Except for this
4:40
one thing called stats, which he gets a lot
4:42
of because he gets a ton of opportunities. Todd
4:45
Bull, the donor's meeting was raving about him and
4:47
called him an elite playmaker. I
4:49
think he said there aren't that many guys. But
4:52
you brought this up quite a bit about the run
4:54
defenses that he faced. That
4:56
is true. I didn't read the story. I
4:58
just saw the headline, Pro Football Talk, about
5:01
Rashad White getting the
5:03
Ram system this year and how he feels
5:06
or they feel. I don't know who... I just
5:08
saw it was like that White's going to benefit
5:10
or something like that. I'll try and
5:12
find it after we move on from this. To
5:17
me, that's a depth addition, not a replacement addition.
5:20
And I know that you guys feel the same way, but I
5:23
just don't see either player... And
5:26
I know the Jaguars have said they want to take work off
5:28
of ETN, but
5:30
not significant work. And I don't
5:32
think the Bucks want to take significant work off of Rashad White. These
5:34
are more handcuff-type players that
5:36
we'll be looking at as opposed to
5:39
tandem-like players. This is not going
5:41
to be a Taj-A-Sharp type, Taj-A-Spears-type situation
5:44
of someone who's going to get a
5:46
lot of work or Jaylen Warren is going to
5:48
get a lot of work. These are going to be strictly
5:51
backups that are looking at maybe five touches a
5:53
game. I got PTSD from you
5:55
saying Taj-A-Sharp. From
5:57
your lips to the fantasy gods, you got ears on
5:59
those guys? But if it is a day two or
6:01
a day three pick, then it could
6:03
be something that could turn into a tandem. But
6:05
again, we
6:07
have exhibit A. The Jaguars did this
6:09
last year and it didn't pan out. Not just because
6:12
they spend the draft capital on these players. We still
6:14
have to see how it all works. Right. Sure. It
6:16
may not be. It doesn't mean that they won't try
6:18
again. And it's not a great running
6:20
back class either. So right. I
6:22
don't, I don't see it for Jacksonville. Tampa Bay,
6:25
I do from a depth perspective. I
6:27
mean, Jacksonville bringing back Derners Johnson, I think was kind of their
6:29
indication of this is what they're going to do. They're just going
6:31
to use those guys a little bit more. And
6:35
I also think that if Jacksonville drafts are
6:37
running back, it could be an indictment on
6:39
on tank Bigsby. But but
6:41
but I think they're look they could certainly sprinkle
6:43
someone in. We just want to make sure ETN
6:45
doesn't lose the goal line work. I
6:48
thought like Bigsby going into the NFL draft
6:50
Bigsby in college was so good near the
6:52
goal line and ETN never really had been.
6:54
But Bigsby just wasn't really didn't really do
6:56
anything. I just want to prove their
6:58
offensive line to second. Yeah. Now, here's
7:00
the thing with Rashad white. I'm just going to
7:02
say, you know, look not a scout, right? If
7:05
you think maybe he's better than his numbers, one
7:08
thing he's really good at is avoiding negative plays. I'd
7:10
say his profile. That's the best thing that Rashad white
7:12
does. He's really good at that. He doesn't have a
7:14
lot of carries for zero or negative yards. Maybe
7:17
he maybe he's just been behind a bad offensive
7:19
line in a bad scheme. He is really good
7:22
in the passing game. So I got to give
7:24
him credit for that catches almost every target he
7:26
gets and he does make big plays in the
7:28
passing game. But as a rusher, you
7:31
know last year basic metrics,
7:33
advanced metrics, one of
7:35
the worst. So is that all on
7:37
him? That's the thing about running back. It's usually
7:39
not all one. It's not on the running back,
7:42
but Rashad white just I don't
7:44
want to go through everything, but you know
7:47
explosive plays yards before
7:49
contact after contact rush EPA
7:51
success rate. All
7:53
really really bad for Rashad white and then
7:55
just simply yard. He average 3.6 yards per
7:57
carry. I don't know a good running back.
8:00
does that. So no,
8:03
just to go back to the, I found the
8:05
story. Um, it was in regards to something he
8:07
told the team's website and
8:09
it was about Liam Cohen's offense coming from
8:11
the Rams. And this
8:14
is what he said. If you're a guy in this league, you want
8:16
to be a guy that is scattered for and respected. I've
8:18
seen that in people just leaving me out. I saw that
8:20
and wanted to make the most and make people fear me,
8:23
make people respect me and say when I come in the
8:25
game is not just 13, 14, meaning
8:27
Evans and Godwin. Number one, you have to worry about
8:29
too. Now your
8:32
point about his running is
8:34
clearly valid. His playmaking, which I
8:36
think is what Todd bowl is talking about. He's
8:39
one of the better pass catching backs in the
8:41
league. Yeah, for sure. And so that is huge
8:43
for us, which is why I think, you know,
8:45
you're looking at him if he
8:48
does not get significant competition, which again, depending
8:50
on the level of draft
8:52
capital they spend on the running back, like he's going to be
8:54
one of my favorite round two picks. I
8:56
love that we're spending all this time on two
8:58
guys that might not get much serious competition, but
9:01
there are other running backs. I've got six,
9:04
seven, eight. There might be eight
9:07
other running back. There
9:09
are eight other running backs that aren't
9:11
as sexy as those two names who
9:13
could get some competition. Probably more
9:15
seriously, we'll get more competition. Yeah. What's going
9:17
on in Jacksonville and Tampa. But it's more
9:19
fun to talk about. That's why I brought
9:22
it up. I like it. I'm just saying
9:24
that if they, if the bucks surprisingly draft
9:26
the running back in the second or third
9:28
round, let's say, right. Like
9:30
they could get for exactly for that
9:32
offense. I'm not going to rule out that guy
9:35
being the best rusher on the team. Well,
9:38
I couldn't see a scenario where somebody's
9:40
going to out rush Travis ETN on
9:43
Jacksonville. Let's say bring in a rookie. Like
9:45
would you be scared if estimate
9:47
went to Jackson? Oh, he's like my,
9:50
well, look, I don't like big slow guys. So
9:53
no, that's the way it would. There's not
9:55
the example. You would not make you scared
9:57
to take Travis ETN and I agree. No,
9:59
but But he would theoretically take work away,
10:01
but we said the exact same thing about Bigsby
10:03
last year. We just have to wait and see.
10:07
I don't think I got a chance to say this
10:09
when we talked about running backs on Monday, but Estimé,
10:11
Christopher Paso mentioned he ran a 4-7-1 forties or something
10:13
like that. He did run a
10:15
better 40 at his pro day. It was in
10:17
the four lives. So does everybody. Yeah, but he
10:19
ran a 4-10. I shaved off two tenths of
10:21
a second on my progress. Jamie,
10:24
was there someone you wanted to spotlight as a player
10:26
that's got a lot at stake? Negatively?
10:29
It doesn't matter. Oh, no,
10:31
possibly. I mean, my favorite one is obviously Kyle Murray. You look
10:34
at what he could get, whether
10:36
it's they stay at 4 or they trade
10:38
down. I saw a one
10:40
mock trade of I think
10:43
it was the
10:45
Giants moving up to 4, and the
10:48
Cardinals going to 6 and still getting neighbors
10:51
or Adunze. I forget which mock draft it was. Yeah,
10:55
they're in such a prime position to help Kyle Murray. It's
10:59
going to suck because the drafts that we've done
11:01
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11:03
probably rise to, he'll be I
11:05
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11:07
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11:10
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11:12
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11:14
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11:16
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going, no. No way. I'm saying
13:46
yes. Yes, he's coming off a
13:48
torn ACL. Yes, he's not a good quarterback. I don't think he
13:50
is. But
13:53
specifically, if Malik neighbors,
13:55
if the Giants draft neighbors, they've
13:58
never, they've never. never had a really
14:01
good wide receiver in Daniel Jones' time.
14:04
And here's just the point I would make. Why
14:07
are you crapping on Sterling Sharp? Sonny Shepard. I
14:09
wouldn't crap on Sterling Sharp. Shepard's fine.
14:12
But neighbors is a different beast. The Giants have never
14:14
been a good YAC team. In
14:17
the five years that Jones has been in the
14:19
league, the highest they've finished YAC per catch was
14:21
20th. They've only had one year where they've been
14:23
higher than 26th. I'm sure Daniel
14:25
Jones has something to do with that, but the receivers do as
14:27
well. Jones is a guy that
14:29
can take the ball and go. But
14:34
Jones two years ago was number
14:37
13 per game, but basically
14:39
tied for 12th per game with
14:41
Jared Goff two years ago. And
14:44
last year, if you just look at his four,
14:46
he only played four healthy games. He
14:49
had pretty very similar yardage,
14:52
passing and rushing to what he did in 2022.
14:56
Jones had career low touchdown rate,
14:58
career high interception rate. It
15:01
was horrible. Even for him, he was horrible. But
15:04
give him a good receiver and
15:06
can he rush for let's say 600 yards? That's
15:10
a question mark coming off 20th sale, but he's been over 700 on pace for
15:12
over the last two years. So
15:16
in his healthy games. So that's okay. I
15:18
actually think you've got a sleeper there in Daniel
15:20
Jones if the Giants can finally give him a
15:23
good wide receiver. There you
15:25
go. And
15:27
if the Giants don't draft a quarterback. They
15:29
will draft a quarterback at some point. It's
15:32
just, will it be a day one quarterback who's
15:34
going to walk in as a starter or will
15:36
it be more of a, he does. It looks
15:38
like someone says he sucks. Move on. He
15:41
does. I am not good, but he
15:43
runs. He runs. And
15:45
I would say like Deshaun Watson, for example, played
15:47
poorly last year as a passer. He was not,
15:49
he was not a good quarterback last year. He
15:52
still was not bad from a fantasy standpoint because
15:54
he had this high rushing floor. Jones runs even
15:56
more than Deshaun Watson. So I just want
15:58
everybody to point that, just put that out there. Malik neighbors
16:00
could make Jones relevant. I don't know if
16:02
Adunze can, because Jones can't
16:05
really throw downfield, but Nathan
16:07
can. Yes, he can. Are
16:09
you encouraged with the moves the Giants have
16:11
made to bulk up their offensive line? Because
16:14
I think that that's another, I think that's
16:16
a hidden factor for Jones, because I think, I
16:18
say this all the time, there are a ton
16:20
of quarterbacks in this league, when they're pressured, they
16:22
wilt. He wilts really, really
16:25
quickly when the offensive line doesn't do
16:27
a good job, and he's had a
16:29
terrible offensive line, but they've added one,
16:31
two, three, four veterans, five veterans, to
16:34
at least provide depth. If
16:37
that offensive line's okay, maybe Jones has a chance,
16:39
and you add a receiver with him. To be
16:41
a top 12 quarterback, though, that would surprise me.
16:45
It'd be low end, but, I
16:47
don't know, can you answer your point about-
16:49
He'd be a decent, bye-week replacement quarterback. To
16:52
be your point of view, like three weeks.
16:54
He only had Andrew Thomas for one game
16:56
last year, and
16:58
that's one of the best left tackles in football. Jones is the
17:00
guy, Jones is the kind of guy, if he's gonna be a
17:03
top 12 quarterback, and you scoff out there, he did it two
17:05
years ago. He was basically
17:07
tied for 12 per game. There were
17:09
people drafting him as a number one
17:11
quarterback last year. Exactly, he needs everything
17:13
to be perfect. He cannot survive a
17:15
less than ideal situation, but if
17:17
he has a decent line, and the reason why
17:19
I say neighbors are not Odundze Davis, I don't
17:22
trust Jones to make Odundze good, whereas
17:24
I know Jones can throw a five year completion,
17:26
and neighbors is the kind of guy that can
17:28
make that into something. All
17:30
right, some news items here. Let's talk
17:32
about the Chiefs. So Rishi
17:35
Rice was allegedly driving 119 miles per hour. I
17:39
don't even know if that's allegedly, I think they probably know that
17:41
for a fact. This is becoming
17:43
a pretty big deal, pretty bad situation.
17:47
This is separate, I know, I'm not saying
17:49
that this guy's replacing Rishi Rice, but Andy
17:51
Reid was talking about Kedarius Tony, and he
17:53
called Kedarius Tony one of the most talented
17:55
players on the team. So, you
17:57
know, Reid is kind of an optimist. But
18:00
we know Tony is talented. But
18:03
anyway, this is another team, Jamie, that could
18:05
be in the market for a wide receiver with
18:08
all this Rashid Rice, with a bad offseason
18:10
for Rashid Rice. How do you evaluate that
18:12
situation? I would
18:14
think they're still in the market for a wide receiver if Rashid
18:17
Rice never got behind the wheel of the park. Yeah. It's
18:20
not like Marquis Brown at 30 is the answer for them,
18:23
or 28, whatever, however old he is, is
18:25
the answer for them long term as their
18:28
potential number one or number two receiver, however
18:30
they view Brown and or Rice. So they
18:32
have to plan for life after Travis Kelsey.
18:34
They have to plan for life after Marquis
18:36
Brown. They haven't had a legit
18:40
number one receiver since Tyree Kill was traded two
18:42
years ago, because Rice is still young and Juju
18:44
was not the answer. So I
18:47
think they're still trying to rebuild the receiving
18:49
course. So I wouldn't necessarily look at this
18:51
as an indictment on they're expecting
18:53
Rice to be suspended for x amount of games.
18:56
They're expecting Rice to miss any significant time.
18:58
I don't think that's how it should
19:00
be viewed. So for people that are
19:02
selling Rice in dynasty leagues, make
19:04
sure you're getting good value in return, because you still play
19:06
the majority of the season. I don't know
19:08
how much the NFL is going to look at this and say we're going
19:10
to let the legal process play out, or they're just going to say code
19:13
of conduct and suspend them for a couple of
19:15
games. So thankfully,
19:18
nobody was, as far as I know, correct
19:20
if wrong, injured in the accidents,
19:22
or nobody died in that.
19:25
It was not no major injuries. They
19:27
are being sued for minor injuries both
19:29
of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is
19:31
clearly something to not scoff at, but
19:34
by all accounts in terms of how the
19:37
league will discipline Rice and
19:39
what that means for the Chiefs in the NFL draft, I
19:41
just don't think that should be an
19:43
indictment on where Rice stands on the team
19:45
or how should he be viewed in fantasy
19:48
long term, short term. Did
19:50
you see the trade that went down in our dynasty
19:52
league? It
19:54
was a Rice and a pick for two picks, right?
19:56
OK, so it was pick. 101,
20:01
Superflex, Superflex Dynasty, 101 and 206 for Rishi
20:03
Rice and 103. So
20:10
he moved down from 101 to 103. He
20:13
got Rishi Rice. He gave up, picked 206. Interesting.
20:21
Yeah. Did the team that gave
20:23
up the 101, are they set at
20:25
quarterback? I, because this is
20:27
a brand new dynasty league, right? So he
20:29
might've just had a bad first year. Yeah.
20:31
I think so. That was a breakfast club,
20:33
right? That was Tim. He
20:35
has to a Tyler,
20:40
Jared Stidham, Derek
20:43
Carr, Bailey Zappi. He is to a
20:45
Kyler and Carr. I guess
20:47
he, maybe he's okay taking, you know,
20:50
may McCarthy if they, or
20:52
Daniels, obviously, if he slips that far. And
20:55
he also had like, after one of the top three
20:58
receivers, seven, I don't, I don't, I
21:00
don't think I hate it. He, he
21:02
tanks. He lost every game last year when Owen 14,
21:04
he could definitely win the league this year. He's
21:08
going to have a good team. Okay.
21:10
He has how many first round picks? Oh,
21:13
I don't know. Yeah. He has a lot of first round picks and
21:16
he has a chance Spears, lamb, Metcalf,
21:18
Pitts, McClaren, Rishi Rice, Devontae Smith, and
21:20
he's probably going to have Marvin Harrison
21:23
or something like that too. Uh,
21:25
okay. Anywho, let's, uh,
21:27
let's move on here. Another chief's note that
21:29
that former rugby player, Louis Reese, Zamit is
21:31
going to start out as a running back
21:33
for the chiefs. Now, more important news items.
21:35
T Higgins expects to play this year for
21:37
the Bengals. Hopefully fences mended
21:40
there. Uh, Brandon Ayuk unfollowed
21:42
the 49ers on social media. He has
21:44
one year left on his contract and
21:47
then he'll be a free agent unless they come
21:49
to terms on an agreement. Maybe there'll be a
21:51
draft night trade. We shall see Kevin
21:53
Stefanski said there's no timetable for Nick
21:55
Chubb's return. Devontae Adams says
21:58
he wants to be in. Las
22:00
Vegas he likes Antonio Pierce he said he wants to stay
22:02
with the Raiders Pukin Akua said he
22:04
threw up in Cooper cups bushes during
22:06
offseason training I guess they were doing some
22:09
training every day every day threw up
22:11
on the lawn or the bushes and
22:14
yeah Pukin
22:16
Akua sir low-hagging fruit but I was gonna
22:18
make that joke but that I was like
22:20
I probably should have made it I don't
22:22
think I would have invited you
22:24
guys back if you guys puked twice
22:27
once I would have been like okay it's a fluke if
22:29
you start doing that twice I think you're done well after
22:31
you clogged Nando's toilet did
22:33
you invite you back yes
22:35
I have been back but I haven't used that toilet again
22:37
I did with
22:40
urine and toilet paper okay
22:42
it was Tim Tim
22:44
has three picks in the first one well
22:46
let's see Daniel Jones is expected to be
22:48
ready for training camp as he recovers from
22:51
a torn ACL then I think Daniel Jones
22:53
could be a sleeper if the Giants draft
22:55
get out what
22:59
else Justin Jefferson did not report
23:01
to voluntary workouts Cortland Sutton also
23:03
did not report to voluntary workouts
23:05
and neither did CD lamb the
23:07
Cowboys things is not like
23:09
the other the Cowboys signed Royce Freeman
23:11
the Eagles signed Devonta Smith to a
23:14
three-year extension Tennessee offensive coordinator
23:16
Nick Holt said that Taj a
23:18
Spears and Tony Pollard are interchangeable
23:21
yay that's
23:23
what we want we want ambiguous back
23:26
fields where you never know who's gonna
23:28
do what from week to week but
23:30
that's kind of what I thought would
23:32
Miami edge Jalen Phillips expects to be
23:34
ready for week one he's their best
23:36
pass rusher and he's recovering from a
23:38
torn Achilles Colts
23:40
the Colts signed the defensive tackle their own
23:42
defensive tackle re-sign him or no game an
23:45
extension two years 46 dollars his
23:47
name is different hold up hold up up Jamie
23:49
who are you taking first a Titans running
23:51
back or the rookie running back to the
23:53
Cowboys draft depends
23:57
is Jonathan Brooks healthy for a week one Okay,
24:00
what about the rookie running back that
24:02
the Chargers draft or a Titans running
24:04
back? Titans running
24:06
back. Dave,
24:09
which tight end did the Eagles sign? CJ
24:16
Hamuzo! Seattle
24:20
side at offensive line mid-lake in Tomlinson. And here
24:22
are some of the players who have been... I
24:24
thought that it should have been Hamuzu. Some
24:28
players who have been invited to the NFL
24:30
draft. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, and Drake May.
24:33
Also, Brian Thomas has been invited. Darius
24:36
Robinson was a surprising name on the
24:38
invitation list. Not that anybody knows
24:40
who he is if you play fantasy, but
24:43
Pass rusher, Missouri. Wasn't sure
24:45
he was going to be a first-round pick. My guess is he will be
24:47
if he's not. These are the guys who are going, right? Going.
24:50
Right. So not invitations because they invite a lot of
24:52
people. Okay,
24:54
so I thought it was
24:57
invited. Did they invite J.J. McCarthy? I
25:00
would guess yes. He's the one.
25:04
He didn't. He was invited. Okay. And
25:09
Tom Brady says he's not opposed to a late-season
25:11
return. So
25:14
there you go. He wants to pull a
25:16
flacko? Maybe. Hey,
25:19
Gardner, the owner's coming down to pull. Yeah.
25:24
Players who could be affected by the NFL draft.
25:26
All right. Jamie talked about Kyler Murray. That's
25:30
a lot of passing games here, obviously. Can
25:33
I ask separately before we get into your list?
25:35
And this is actually going to include players on
25:37
both of your lists. But the tight
25:39
ends. You got
25:41
Trey McBride, Dalton Kincaid,
25:43
and Evan Ingram. They're top
25:46
six, top seven tight ends in
25:48
most rankings. And these are
25:50
three teams that could be drafting a wide receiver in the
25:52
first round. Jamie, are you concerned
25:54
about any of those guys? Do you think you could be moving
25:56
them down? That would be McBride, Kincaid,
25:58
and... Ingram? No?
26:03
I think first off what we talked about first or second on
26:06
the team and targets I think all three of these guys will
26:08
fall into that No matter
26:10
what happens Jacksonville
26:13
maybe if they were to trade up outside
26:16
of the into the top ten and get one of
26:18
the top three guys then maybe that changes things because
26:20
then you have Kirk and a high-profile rookie not that
26:22
taking one at 16 or 17 where there is Is
26:27
a non high-profile rookie, but I
26:29
think Ingram's established himself as a go-to guy for Trevor
26:31
Lawrence and Doug Peterson's offense We've talked about this for
26:33
years. He's a tight end friendly coach In
26:36
terms of the other two, you know
26:38
McBride was exceptional last year from
26:41
his time as the lead guy once
26:44
Zach Hertz was Let go
26:46
week six on and in
26:48
terms of Kincaid. I Just
26:50
think that this is going to be a huge year for
26:52
him as he's one of these year two tight ends that
26:54
that take a huge leap forward, so barring
26:58
Buffalo completely overhauling the
27:00
receiving core And I think
27:02
we'll probably take a trade at this point I don't see
27:04
them going away from Kincaid
27:06
as a top two option on the team Dave
27:09
do you think that these three tight ends
27:11
are in jeopardy here with a first round
27:14
wide receiver being added? Yes
27:16
with Kincaid the least and McBride
27:19
the most and I love what McBride did
27:21
last year at the end of the year
27:23
He was awesome But I don't I think
27:25
the guy who's gonna get a ton of
27:27
targets in Arizona would be Marvin Harrison if
27:30
he were to go There and then in
27:32
Jacksonville, it's just it's hard to see Evan
27:34
Ingram getting as many catches even
27:37
without an addition to the receiving core
27:39
but Jacksonville's got to do something and
27:41
I would imagine that they would add somebody Who
27:44
can stretch the field on the perimeter and do the
27:46
things that Calvin Ridley couldn't quite do consistently enough last
27:48
year? On the
27:50
first 11 games of the season before
27:52
Christian Kirk got hurt Ingram was
27:54
on pace for 127
27:57
targets in the last six games
27:59
after the injury, he was
28:01
on pace for 173 targets. So that is 46 more targets. Now I do
28:03
want to
28:09
look at, I didn't look, but I want to look
28:11
at Trevor Lawrence's past attempts. That may have gone up
28:13
because actually looking at the game log, Zay Jones was
28:16
stepping in and getting eight or more
28:18
targets. He only played in four of those
28:20
six games, but he was getting eight or more targets in
28:23
all of the games he played. So you
28:25
know that was a target replacement for Kirk. So it
28:28
may have just been that Lawrence
28:30
was throwing more, but I
28:32
did want to point that out. Like the numbers
28:34
really spiked for Ingram once Christian
28:37
Kirk got hurt. Sure,
28:39
middle of the field got more
28:41
open without Kirk
28:43
there. How about this, replacing
28:45
Ridley. Now he was third on the
28:48
team, Ridley was actually third on the team in
28:50
targets before Kirk's injury, but he
28:52
was by far number
28:54
one on the team throughout the season
28:56
in red zone and end zone targets.
28:58
Nobody else had more than like 10
29:00
red zone targets. Calvin Ridley
29:02
had, he had 24 end
29:07
zone targets, 26 red zone targets. So
29:09
that's a lot of targets
29:11
in that area of the field that need to be replaced.
29:14
That was the go-to guy for Lawrence there. And
29:17
then yeah, so yeah, I just want to press
29:19
you on McBride Jamie because he had no target
29:21
competition really. I mean,
29:24
Greg Dorch was second on the team in targets
29:26
in that last stretch with Kyler and McBride. So
29:29
they bring in Harrison. You still think it was
29:31
also before before Kyler came back to. Yeah, I
29:33
would specifically looked at the Kyler, the eight
29:35
games with Kyler and McBride and Dorch was
29:37
second on the team in targets. McBride had
29:39
like a 25% target share. They draft
29:41
Marvin Harrison. You think he can still be an
29:44
elite tight end? Yeah. Okay.
29:48
Who else would you like to talk about? You want to talk about the Colts Jamie?
29:52
Yeah, I mean, you know, you see them either in
29:54
the market for a wide receiver or Brock Bowers, especially
29:56
where they're picking. They're in the right range for it,
29:58
whether it's one of the top. three guys flipping,
30:00
probably O'Dunze, but
30:03
wouldn't be surprising if they reached for a wide
30:05
receiver, traded down and still got one or again
30:07
took powers. The
30:12
two-sided part of this would be how much is Michael
30:14
Pittman impacted by one of those guys and how much
30:16
is the benefit for Anthony Richardson? I think you can
30:18
make the case for both clearly. Richardson,
30:21
any additional playmakers that
30:23
can be added is just a boost for him because of
30:26
what he should be able to do as a runner and
30:28
then what he will continue to enhance his production as a
30:30
passer. I
30:33
don't think Pittman will be significantly downgraded,
30:36
but he
30:38
needs the target volume. I think given
30:40
the quarterback situation, again,
30:43
Richardson I think surprised us as a passer,
30:45
but as we've talked about time and time
30:47
again, is he going to be
30:49
the type of quarterback that elevates his receivers at least
30:51
at this point in his career? You
30:55
got to be a little bit worried for Pittman's situation
30:57
if Bowers or
31:00
high profile receiver ends up there. Now if
31:02
they pass on that, then Pittman's in a
31:04
great spot, but it would be
31:06
a little bit of a concern if they do go out and get somebody in
31:09
that range. All
31:11
right. Also on Jamie's list, Justin
31:13
Herbert. I'll ask both of you guys. I think Dave,
31:16
you had Herbert as well. Obviously,
31:19
they've got the fifth pick, so it's not hard
31:22
to envision a scenario where Justin Herbert gets some
31:24
help early, but how
31:26
high do you think you could see ranking
31:29
him if they take – I'll just give
31:31
him neighbors or a d'unze to
31:33
the Chargers. Dave, where do you think that puts
31:36
Justin Herbert? I think you're the high – I
31:38
think it puts him at 11th. You're high on
31:40
him to be – higher on him to begin
31:42
with, then. Because I'm expecting the Chargers to grab
31:44
a receiver early in this draft. If they don't,
31:47
he's going further south. Okay. For
31:50
obvious reasons. How
31:53
about you, Jamie? He's outside
31:55
the top 12 for me now. I
31:57
believe my 12th quarterback is Purdy, so
31:59
– If he gets one of those guys, you know, you
32:01
want to put Herbert
32:03
ahead of Purdy, that's fine. Right now, Herbert is
32:05
15th for me, so he's behind too. He's got
32:07
cousins actually because I think cousins' weapons are better.
32:12
I'm worried about Herbert. You know, it's
32:14
not just the receiving corps, it's the system he's in,
32:16
you know. And what we've seen from at least
32:19
Harbaugh's quarterbacks, college
32:22
and pro, is he doesn't
32:25
ask them to be difference
32:28
makers like we love. You know,
32:30
they can be, certainly. You know, Colin Kaepernick did
32:32
it with legs. I
32:34
think from the standpoint of Herbert, like right
32:37
now, this receiving corps is awful, is arguably
32:39
the worst in the NFL. And a rookie,
32:44
will that dramatically change things? I hope so.
32:47
But I'm still going to be cautiously optimistic as
32:49
opposed to fully optimistic. So he'll be a borderline
32:52
number one quarterback for me. He will not be
32:54
a top 10 guy. Like if you tell me
32:56
Kyler right now doesn't get
32:58
anybody, and Herbert does, I'll still take Kyler over
33:00
Herbert. Wow.
33:06
Jamie, what did you want to say about the Bills
33:08
passing game? And Dave too, I think you have Josh
33:10
Allen as a potential loser if they don't add a
33:12
top-wide receiver. But I guess I would say, you
33:15
know, what wide receiver
33:17
would the Bills have to draft for
33:20
you to feel confident in Allen as your number
33:22
one quarterback? I
33:26
mean, I'd go crazy if they made a big move
33:28
up to get one of the top three guys. And
33:31
so, I mean, he can't
33:33
go higher than one in that case. So what
33:35
happens if they keep their pick
33:37
in round one and they get one of
33:39
Brian Thomas, if he's there, Adanai Mitchell, Xavier
33:41
Worthy? Do you give Josh Allen the benefit
33:44
of the doubt, given that his receiving court
33:46
kind of has taken this step
33:49
back? I kind of want
33:51
to. I think he's earned it. Not only
33:53
is he like just, he's got
33:55
one of the strongest arms in the league, his
33:57
accuracy has gotten better and you know he's going
33:59
to. to bring it running the ball and scoring
34:01
a bunch of touchdowns on the ground. And
34:04
so I think I'm still going to keep them
34:06
at number one, as long as Buffalo does something
34:09
with one of their first two picks, they add another
34:11
wide receiver that can help stretch the field
34:13
a little bit. I think that's what they need is
34:16
a field stretcher because Kincaid, he can stretch.
34:18
He's a matchup nightmare at tight end, but
34:20
he's not like a big playmaker. He doesn't
34:22
have the same type of speed a receiver
34:25
would have. Curtis Samuel has been a short
34:27
area target for awhile. Khalil Shakir is a
34:29
good receiver, not a speedster. They
34:31
need to add some speed. They need somebody that
34:34
Alan can target on passes of 20 plus area
34:36
yards. It's a matter
34:38
of just how much we are going to
34:40
bank on what his rushing production was last
34:42
year by comparison to previous years, because the
34:44
yardage was relatively the same, but
34:47
his touchdowns doubled, you know, to go from seven, eight, which
34:49
is kind of where he lived to 15 is
34:52
that sustainable. And as Sean McDermott has said
34:54
time and time again, that's
34:56
not something that they want to put on his plate. They just
34:58
don't take it off of his plate, you know, and so it's,
35:00
it's hard to expect him to
35:02
rush less when there's the
35:05
lack of receivers who are available
35:07
to him on his own team right now.
35:09
So a lot
35:12
of what he did last year was not
35:14
because of Stefan Diggs. The threat of Stefan
35:16
Diggs is clearly important, but a lot of
35:18
what his production was, was not necessarily Diggs.
35:20
Now can he get by with Shakir
35:22
and Curtis Samuel is fast. I know Dave's point in
35:25
terms of, you know, down the field, that's not Curtis
35:27
Samuel is necessarily Forte or at
35:29
least the type of receiver I think Dave was
35:31
talking about, but Samuel and Shakir and Kincaid and
35:33
Knox and James Cook, like that's not the group
35:35
that you look at. And I can't sit here
35:37
and say that Justin Herbert has a terrible receiving
35:39
court and say, Josh Allen's is great because
35:41
it's not. But it
35:45
certainly would be a surprise if they're
35:47
not drafting a wide receiver. I think
35:49
that's what the sports books have it as, you
35:51
know, the first position. That
35:54
the bills will take. That's the
35:56
most logical odds. So we'll
35:59
see. Um, it
36:01
is, it is going to be telling when we come
36:03
out of the NFL draft, what our rankings look like
36:05
at that position across the board, because
36:08
Jalen hurts. Who's I think the
36:11
consensus number two quarterback, his receiving court
36:14
is as good as any in the league. The
36:16
third quarterback in Mahomes or the
36:18
Mark Jackson, one coming off an MVP season that you
36:20
know what he does with his legs and his receiving
36:22
cores for the most part, the same, if
36:25
not better with a healthy Mark Andrews and
36:27
Mahomes got a weapon, assuming received rice is
36:29
not suspended, you know, so the knocks that
36:31
we had on Mahomes, you know,
36:33
his, his situation got better. So
36:36
is Alan the smart choice to go first? And
36:39
I struggle with it. I really do because of
36:41
the guys that he has available to him. On
36:44
one hand, it reminds you of Mahomes two years ago,
36:47
right? Where he loses Tyree kill
36:49
and he becomes QB three or four in ADP. He
36:52
was behind Herbert and he ended up having an
36:54
amazing year. Um, but
36:58
with Alan just looking at the games with Joe
37:00
Brady, he was
37:02
only on pace for 4,143 passing yards. It's
37:06
really not a lot for him. 24
37:08
touchdown passes, 17, 19. He
37:12
was on base for 19 rushing. So, so you say there's
37:15
no way he can do that, but then you also have
37:17
to say, well, if he doesn't do that, some
37:19
of those are going to become passing touchdowns. And
37:22
in that stretch, he was Josh Allen
37:24
with Joe Brady last seven games of
37:26
the regular season was the number two
37:28
quarterback per game, only Lamar Jackson average
37:30
more, uh, Lamar, uh, Josh
37:32
Allen was just under 26.9 points per game
37:34
and six point for passing
37:36
touchdown leagues, which is really good. So, and
37:39
that was with Stefan Diggs really not
37:41
contributing that much. Right. Um,
37:44
all right. We got to take another break here.
37:46
We'll talk about the jets passing game. We'll talk
37:49
about guys like Zamir white
37:51
and Joel running
37:54
backs, Aaron Jones,
37:56
George pick George pickens, you know, he's
37:58
on everybody's breakout list right now. But
38:00
what you know how much capital
38:02
with the skewers invest in wide receiver in
38:04
the draft They're pretty good at plucking wide
38:06
receivers on day two And
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jets passing game Okay
39:20
Jamie this was on your list of players who could be
39:22
impacted by the draft. What do you think? What do you
39:24
think of this situation who's got the most to gain or
39:26
lose? Roger segane and garett
39:28
wilson to lose. I mean, you know, they're in another
39:30
prime position to add a prominent wide receiver Or
39:33
bowers, you know, and if they go that
39:36
route then what does that mean for their
39:38
top? Pass catcher and their
39:40
aging quarterback coming off an achilles injury And
39:42
so this is another quarterback that has top
39:44
15 if not top 12 potential Offensive
39:47
line was significantly upgraded if he's healthy,
39:50
you know, he was being drafted last year his adp was at
39:52
the top 12 quarterback so You
39:54
give him garett wilson, which we know has
39:56
breakout potential and you give him another prime
40:01
pass catcher that could be potential
40:04
superstar that only enhances the
40:06
upside of what Rogers will be, who will be drafted
40:08
as number two quarterback, but I would take my chances
40:10
with him over Daniel Jones, no offense, if that's the
40:13
case. And
40:15
then the downgrade that we may have to give to
40:17
Garrett Wilson, you know, so I'm probably not
40:19
going to run away from Garrett Wilson. It's
40:22
hard to necessarily expect him to,
40:24
you know, fall significantly. But
40:27
if it is another receiver there, you know, we dealt
40:30
with this a little bit in the spring
40:33
of for the early part of the spring of
40:36
is Devontae Adams going to the Jets? You know,
40:39
is that wish going to be granted to Aaron
40:41
Rodgers and potentially Adams if that's what he wanted
40:43
as we're coming to find out? Apparently
40:45
he doesn't. So you
40:47
know, it could be a downgrade for where
40:49
Wilson's being drafted, not necessarily where he'll be
40:51
ranked, but probably not going to take
40:53
him as a borderline first round pick if there's somebody else there.
40:56
What do you do with Breece Hall
40:58
if they draft Bowers? Because Breece Hall
41:00
was so great for fantasy managers last year
41:02
because of the added receptions that he got.
41:05
And Bowers, I mean, this is just this is a stat
41:07
that I found while I was studying him. He
41:10
had 99 of his 175 career
41:12
catches at Georgia were on passes of
41:14
five or fewer areaards. He
41:16
had an eight dot under seven last
41:18
year for Georgia, a ton
41:20
of short targets, and he's effective on
41:23
those plays. And I can't help
41:25
but think that any team that gets Brock Bowers is going to use
41:27
them that way. Those short targets
41:29
are the tight ends. We talk about it
41:31
all the time. When that position gets an
41:33
uptick in targets, the running backs frequently take
41:35
a hit. And that makes me
41:37
a little nervous. I kind of don't want Brock
41:39
Bowers to go to the Jets. I want him
41:41
to go to Indy or Cincinnati.
41:44
Like those are the teams where yeah, he'll
41:46
take away from somebody, but at least it
41:48
won't necessarily impact the running backs in a
41:50
major way. I
41:53
don't necessarily disagree with what the reception
41:55
total could look like. I still think
41:57
he's a 40 to 50 catch guy no matter who is on the team. the
42:00
team just because I think that's in his profile. But
42:03
I also think in terms of Bree Saul, what will benefit
42:05
him is a more scoring opportunities
42:07
because of a better offense, mostly with a better quarterback, but
42:09
the offensive line upgrades are just going to help him as
42:12
a rusher across the board. That's true. I
42:14
don't, I don't really worry about Bree Saul, no
42:16
matter who they are. So even more efficient as
42:18
a runner, but fewer targets. Potentially. Yeah.
42:20
Like 70 catches, I don't think is realistic,
42:23
but I don't think it's realistic anyway, no matter who they
42:25
are. Just because again, I think he'll be more successful running
42:27
the ball and Rogers will make this offense better. So
42:30
it won't have to be a lot of panic and dump
42:32
off passes. Um, but
42:34
I also do think that what we see
42:36
from him as, as a rusher is potentially
42:38
astronomical. I don't know how
42:40
you guys feel about it, but we're obviously going to
42:42
be having these conversations a lot after
42:44
rounds one, two, and three specifically of
42:46
the NFL draft, but you
42:49
know, do you, I guess
42:51
I've always kind of felt like if you're a
42:53
great wide receiver, you're
42:55
not going to be affected by pretty
42:58
much anything except maybe a quarterback
43:00
change. You know, I remember
43:03
I, I feel like
43:06
I, there were people,
43:08
maybe me downgrading Antonio
43:10
Brown a little bit because we had these
43:12
big hopes for Martavis Bryant one year or
43:15
maybe you're just miss Schuster. Right.
43:18
Like, and it never really
43:20
affected Antonio Brown. You know,
43:23
I'm not that Garrett Wilson is that, but
43:26
for Garrett Wilson to be really affected
43:28
by a rookie wide
43:30
receiver, I think that rookie wide receiver would have to be pretty
43:32
good. You know, if it's one of the
43:34
big three, okay, then yeah. If it's a force
43:36
guy, I don't know if it's Bowers, I'm
43:38
thinking I'd, I'd compare that really to like a
43:41
Monra Saint Brown and Sam LaPorta obviously had no
43:43
effect on Saint Brown. I feel
43:45
like the more likely scenario is that if those
43:47
guys are good, the biggest impact would just be
43:49
boosting the quarterback rather than hurting the wide receiver.
43:52
Yeah, it's totally fair. And I guess
43:54
I'll just sort of clarify
43:58
what it said. I'm
44:00
not downgrading Garrett Wilson to
44:03
end of round one to round three.
44:06
It would be from pick, let's
44:08
say, 11 to 14,
44:11
where you're nitpicking with those guys. And
44:14
it's not one size fits all, right? There's no hard
44:16
and fast rule here. DK Metcalf is
44:18
a guy. I'm just looking now at his target
44:20
per route run rate. Last
44:22
three seasons, 26%, 24.4%, 21.9%.
44:27
It's a huge drop. And
44:29
they've never ever had a number three guy at
44:31
any position that's done anything significant. Like in the
44:33
last 10 years, I feel like in Seattle, I
44:35
could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
44:38
They really haven't had a number three target. They
44:41
did last year. So even though JSN didn't have a
44:43
big year, would you guys say it's fair to say
44:45
he negatively impacted DK Metcalf? Yeah,
44:50
I think that's part of it. I
44:52
think Geno Smith taking a step back
44:54
is part of it. I think defense
44:56
is adjusting to the offense without Dave
44:58
Canales there as part of it. So
45:01
there's a lot of things that we're at play. The
45:04
target share was way down. Metcalf missed
45:06
one game. You always have to consider
45:08
that, but just the targets in general
45:10
were lower for Metcalf. Okay,
45:14
let's go to some of the players Dave wanted to talk about
45:17
here. Who are the running backs that you think have
45:19
a lot to gain? I guess you were really taking it from
45:22
a lot to lose standpoint. Who are the running backs that have
45:24
a lot to lose? Let's start
45:26
with a lot of running backs who have been
45:28
in our lives as fantasy managers for a long
45:30
time and are potentially nearing the end of their
45:32
careers. They're all on teams where
45:35
the depth behind them isn't necessarily good. And
45:37
in the case of many of them, they're
45:39
in contract years. I'm talking about Aaron Jones,
45:42
who just signed in Minnesota, James Connor in
45:44
Arizona, Nick Chubb, Cleveland,
45:46
Joe Mixon now in Houston. I
45:49
think you can add Gus Edwards to that list too. These
45:51
are guys that are going to be impactful
45:54
for the next season, theoretically, on
45:56
their teams, but NFL
45:58
teams tend to get ahead. and
46:00
draft a year ahead especially after
46:02
round one and they won't
46:04
surprise me of each of those teams and obviously
46:06
the charges is obvious maybe the browns
46:08
is too. That they are
46:11
gonna go and add to
46:13
the running back room the other this draft
46:15
and it's not an awesome running back draft
46:17
class we've said that. But it's it's
46:20
almost like there's enough running backs where i there's
46:22
one or two things that are flaws
46:24
about them but they can still play
46:26
in the league. And so i expect a
46:29
lot of these running backs to get in the situations
46:31
this year where they're gonna act
46:33
as one be type of players and
46:35
have the chance to evolve into one a
46:37
type players by twenty twenty five. Okay
46:42
do you think with aaron
46:44
jones specifically i don't
46:46
think we expect him to be like a
46:48
eighteen carrie guy to begin with. So
46:51
does he have maybe a little bit less
46:53
to lose just because he's he's
46:56
already gonna be a tandem guy but
46:58
hopefully make his hey with some some
47:00
pass catching aaron jones. I
47:03
hope so that's something that they can do
47:05
i think the vikings should feel really good
47:07
about that they just signed him they know
47:09
what he's capable of doing. They've been playing
47:11
against them for how many years now when
47:13
seeing green bay yeah i don't unless
47:16
it's jonathan brooks which would be a
47:18
surprise given all the needs. The vikings
47:20
have i think
47:23
that aaron jones will still have you
47:25
know the driver's seat to begin the season but
47:28
if they go and they add jaylen right for
47:30
example who's kind of like a. You
47:33
know a lesser zone run type running back
47:35
compared to brooks but he's got speed that's
47:37
a guy who a good training camp gets the
47:40
offense he can be a factor early i mean
47:42
a coaching staff will find time for players like
47:45
that on sundays. All
47:47
right wide receivers let's
47:49
let's start with george pickens here
47:52
jamie and steers take a second
47:54
round wide receiver does this affect
47:57
your pickens breakout hype. No,
48:02
I mean, it's almost like your
48:04
argument with Garrett Wilson, like the second receiver
48:06
right now in Pittsburgh, if I'm not mistaken,
48:08
is Van Jefferson. Like
48:11
it's not exactly the most solidified spot.
48:13
So I can't imagine Russell
48:16
Wilson looking at his profile where these
48:18
type of guys, whether it's DK Metcalf,
48:20
you know, I'm not going to put Tyler Lock in
48:23
this category, but big physical wide receivers that have the
48:25
opportunity to make plays down the field. Metcalf,
48:29
Sutton, and now Pickens, I think this is going
48:31
to be his go-to guy. So they're
48:34
definitely adding to his receiving corps. It's the same thing in
48:36
Buffalo, we know is adding to his receiving corps. Arizona is
48:38
adding to his receiving corps. When they do it, we just
48:41
don't necessarily have the full scope of the
48:43
chargers are adding to the receiving corps. You know, like
48:46
they're not coming out of the draft without somebody or
48:48
two bodies, you know, and Pittsburgh is coming out of
48:50
this with a receiver, you know. So the things that
48:52
really are going to change Garrett Wilson and George
48:56
Pickens and help Josh
48:58
Allen dramatically is the surprise trade, the AJ
49:00
Brown draft night trade that we didn't see
49:02
coming. You know, those are the things are going
49:04
to really dramatically sway, I think,
49:06
what happens, you know. So, you
49:09
know, Harrison's going to hopefully go to
49:12
Cardinals or chargers, you know, neighbors, maybe one of
49:14
those two teams as well, you know, there's going
49:16
to be a potential surprise trade up into the
49:18
top 10, or maybe Chicago surprises us at nine
49:20
and takes one of those guys, you
49:22
know, those are the things I think that you look at
49:24
really when it comes to adding to the Jets,
49:27
adding to the Colts, adding to the Steelers,
49:31
like those are expected moves. So
49:34
I don't think it's necessarily a huge downgrade,
49:36
again, unless they trade up and do something crazy, which
49:38
I don't think Pittsburgh is going to do. So
49:42
you say day two pick? No, I'm
49:44
not worried about it. Let me make it day one then. But
49:47
let's say it's not one of the top three guys
49:49
for Pittsburgh. Let's say it's anyone
49:51
else, Brian Thomas on down for Pittsburgh
49:54
in day one. Yeah,
49:56
I'm not worried, you know, I mean, if it's
49:59
Mitchell, if it's W. The you know if it's any
50:01
those guys that are expected to be you know back and
50:03
of the first round type of guys. Know.
50:05
I'm not worried about because. You. Mention
50:07
the brand and I you took off his
50:10
took the Forty Niners off of this accounts.
50:12
What does he was? The Steelers give up
50:14
their first and the Niners our we have
50:16
resigned. As good as that is that when
50:18
my point you any to any draft day
50:21
trades have established players than yes Mike Tomlin
50:23
in the doppelganger of their on the Same
50:25
theme. then we have issues for George Pickens
50:27
but if it's rookie. Even.
50:30
Even second tier round one
50:32
rookie. I'm. Not worried about pick. It's at
50:35
least not for this year. Maybe long term yes, but not for
50:37
this, You know, I would bet the
50:39
Steelers are looking for one of the precise
50:41
road runners in the stressed. And
50:43
someone that can be a good sort.
50:45
an intermediate weapon for us to lean
50:47
on. So. Mcconkey Pierce
50:49
all Roman Wilson. Ah,
50:52
Those with going to be the top three
50:54
guys, but there's others that to go into
50:56
Pittsburgh, and there's a pretty good track record
50:59
of the Steelers drafting receivers outside of round
51:01
one. Who. Turn out to be really
51:03
helpful for fantasy. Is. As we
51:05
can get every scenario today. Dave
51:07
so I want to talk about
51:09
the fiery devices and. Huge
51:12
quarterback. and yes, from hims yeah, basically.
51:15
Caleb Williams. Okay,
51:17
so they're not going to a Caleb Williams.
51:20
I think the coaching staff loves Drake May.
51:22
There's an obvious connection between Josh Mccown and
51:24
Drake. May Mccown coached May in North Carolina
51:26
when he was in high school. And
51:29
they've obviously stayed in touch. I think
51:31
it's I think almost any quarterback that
51:34
they could take. If. They trade
51:36
up into the top four. Would. Be fine,
51:38
I don't. I don't think the value would
51:40
go down for Jefferson. Addison. Hopkinson.
51:43
Even. If it's Jj Mccarthy, How Mccarthy's
51:45
back Quarterback? As. If it's May,
51:47
there are some flaws with May. I still think
51:49
you'd be able. To rip it enough
51:51
times from week to week to get
51:54
numbers for those pass catchers if it's.
51:56
Panics. Or bone x.
51:59
I'd be a little. bit more nervous. I'd worry about
52:01
the upside for those guys. You
52:04
said that Vikings like Drake May. I just want to take
52:06
a second here. I don't –
52:09
I think Dan Schneier is
52:11
related to Drake May. I mean, every time
52:13
I'm on Twitter, he is retweeting some clip of
52:15
Drake May. I'm going to go through Dan's last
52:17
10 tweets and let's see if there are three
52:19
or more that are about Drake
52:21
May. Here's one about – Drake
52:23
Schneier. Drake He's
52:31
promoting a Drake May
52:33
profile on his Giants
52:35
podcast. That's one. He's
52:37
crapping on Dave Gettleman. That's the other thing he likes to do
52:39
a lot. I think
52:41
I'm only seeing There's two.
52:43
Every current elite NFL quarterback has
52:46
elite arm talent with
52:48
very few draft prospects on him. Drake May
52:50
is one of them. He loves Drake May.
52:53
I think I'm only seeing two here. Have
52:57
you done a profile of Drake May with him yet, Dave? Did you do
52:59
that on 55? Yes. A
53:02
fusive phrase from Schneier. I
53:04
don't really – Yeah, and I get it.
53:06
He's got a strong arm. He
53:08
can make anticipatory throws. He's
53:11
probably the best anticipatory thrower
53:14
in the draft class. That means he can
53:16
throw to a spot before the receiver gets
53:18
there. It's exactly what Kevin O'Connell would want
53:20
from his quarterback. Cousins did it a ton.
53:23
It's just a matter of – he was late
53:25
a lot of times on throws. I think it
53:27
has to do with footwork issues, mechanical issues. He
53:29
was sped up when he was pressured. These are
53:31
things that a lot of quarterbacks can get better
53:33
at. He's a good
53:35
athlete. He's got a big strong arm.
53:38
Been playing quarterback his whole life. He
53:40
knows what he's doing when he's out
53:42
there. He's rather fearless and I think that
53:44
he can throw with accuracy as well. I
53:46
get where Dan's coming from. I'm
53:48
just letting you all know, he wants the Giants
53:51
to take Drake May. If the Giants don't take
53:53
Malik neighbors or Marvin Harrison, if they don't take
53:55
Harrison or neighbors, I'm done with the Giants. I
53:57
Will have a new team next fall. After
54:00
back, you're done with the Giants. If.
54:03
It's Not Kayla Williams Are Jaded Daniels?
54:05
Yes. Ah,
54:07
By a buyer is Williams Daniels
54:09
Harrison Neighbors. Those are the only
54:11
four players I will accept to
54:13
be on the Giants. Now.
54:16
What if they're all off the board? that when they don't is
54:18
not really their fault. Then. I'm
54:20
all be a giant said but you're going to says you're
54:22
going to be a dried spare no matter what. So what's
54:24
your what's your top six there's for with letter. For.
54:27
Is designed specifically or just in general.
54:30
Because. I don't really want this of yeah I
54:32
don't know that I want them to take jokes
54:34
that you know because then he'd have to play
54:37
right tackle. I guess I would
54:39
say I didn't say. And.
54:41
Bowers. So
54:44
for pass catchers into quarter. Yeah,
54:46
so Drake made their. Their.
54:49
They know I. Treat me.
54:52
With. Z caviar that I know for
54:54
a fact that I don't know what
54:56
I'm talking about. Eyes. So
54:58
I'm just a fan. Like all of you straight
55:00
may reminds me a little bit of team is
55:02
William A. James Winston. Where.
55:05
I feel like he made a lot of mistakes
55:07
in college. A lot of interceptions. I don't see
55:09
that with May, but you see mistakes and everybody
55:12
kind of excuse them putting me. Too
55:14
many negative, too many negatives. I think with
55:17
Drake make it scares me a little bit.
55:19
All things they have talked about the use
55:21
was his games. Yes he makes amazing throws.
55:23
also has his head scratching moments. sure and
55:26
coaches think that they can fix. That said,
55:28
I remember that was one of those at
55:30
about Winston arc a good coach or fix
55:32
that. Well. Sometimes they don't
55:34
get a good coaches if they borders.
55:38
Of. And just this upcoming season. I'd
55:40
be kind of optimistic about may with him. Them.
55:42
the end table being able the to coach from apple
55:45
a bit because he did it which are salads. The.
55:47
Problem is that I think of the Giants have
55:49
another terrible season. There's going to be
55:51
a big coaching change. Their. element
55:54
order your body now i'll a andrew in the
55:56
chest as l a adams as to his
55:58
line and then jordan says Azer still owes
56:00
us three lines that
56:03
I did not shape it to my head the draft-a-thon
56:06
night. All right, some
56:09
emails here. This is from Josh.
56:11
Our email address is fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. That
56:13
is the letter
56:16
I, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Dear
56:18
Sergey, Matthew, Alexander, and
56:21
Carter. Oh,
56:24
those are Florida Panthers. What
56:27
a big weekend we have coming up
56:29
here. Knicks, Panthers, let's go. Knicks,
56:33
Panthers. Josh may have
56:35
discovered a new handcuff strategy
56:37
for people in multiple leagues
56:39
that I have called reverse
56:41
handcuffing. Typically, handcuffs are used
56:43
to minimize risk. In the event that your
56:45
starter is injured, you have a suitable replacement.
56:48
In contrast, reverse handcuffs give you
56:50
more risk but increase your upside.
56:52
In reverse handcuffing, you pick the
56:54
backup of a player who you
56:57
roster in a different league. And
57:01
I'll just say this says a lot more, but you're
57:03
handcuffing a team in a different fantasy
57:06
league. So that's interesting.
57:09
So I drafted Christian McCaffrey in one
57:12
league, and in another league I draft
57:14
Elijah Mitchell. And if
57:16
McCaffrey goes down, I'm toast in that league, but
57:18
I've got Elijah Mitchell in the other league. Yeah,
57:21
last year he did that. I
57:24
might go seven and seven in both leagues.
57:26
No, last year he had a team with
57:28
Nick Chubb and Elijah Mitchell, and he had
57:30
another team with Christian McCaffrey and Jerome
57:32
Ford. So the
57:34
Chubb-Mitchell team stunk, but he
57:36
had McCaffrey and Jerome Ford in the other one. Now,
57:39
I wonder, did he draft Jerome Ford, or did
57:41
he just happen to pick up Jerome Ford? That's
57:45
a good question. I don't
57:48
know the answer to that. See,
57:50
I mean, look, it's obviously when you play in multiple
57:52
leagues, you know, we all do. I would
57:55
say the majority of our audience probably does, but… It's
58:00
just minimizing your misery.
58:02
You know, it's like, you
58:04
know, in the league where you drafted McCaffrey first, you
58:06
have probably the expectation that you're going to have a
58:08
very good fantasy team because you have the best player
58:11
in fantasy. And then if he
58:13
goes down, okay, your season
58:15
may be stunk, sunk, as Dave
58:17
said, you have two seven and seven teams,
58:19
but the other league, okay, now you have a chance to be
58:21
awesome. It's
58:24
just, it's, I think we're speaking to a small
58:26
audience here of people that may import that. Next
58:29
email is from Bad Books. So he
58:31
sees these NFL teams signing punt returners, kick
58:33
returners, really, kick returners because of the new
58:35
rules. What are
58:38
ideal league scoring changes, in your opinions,
58:40
to make this fun
58:42
and somewhat fair versus just leaving it
58:44
as DST points, which I feel could
58:46
swing weeks too far on one
58:49
side of DST randomness? You
58:52
could do return yardage for players. And
58:55
then that changes how you may draft certain players that are going
58:57
to be more involved in the return game. So...
59:00
Do you have a suggestion on what that would look like? I
59:03
mean, you're giving a point for every 10
59:05
yards, every 10 kick return yards and touchdowns
59:07
for kick returns only to those specific players,
59:09
you know, so let's just say the Dolphins
59:11
decide to make Devon H. and a kick
59:14
returner. And then that just makes
59:16
them that much more valuable. Again,
59:19
I wish Heath was on the show,
59:21
I believe the first year of the Yolo Dynasty League,
59:24
he had similar scoring for special
59:26
teams returns. So punt returns also factor
59:28
in. And I know
59:30
I drafted Tyree Kill probably around earlier than
59:33
he was going to go because of that, which
59:35
worked out great. This was his rookie season. So
59:38
you know, you start to do your research on who's going to be the
59:40
kick and punt return guys. And if we're getting
59:43
yardage for that, that may enhance the value of some of the
59:45
veterans that are going to be involved in those particular moves. I'd
59:48
be a little more
59:51
conservative on the yardage that you'd give to
59:53
kick and punt returners, especially now with the
59:55
new rules, the kick returners are going to
59:57
get Anywhere from 10. Twenty
1:00:00
yards. Every single time they they get
1:00:02
one of those kicks. And. If
1:00:04
they break one of the house it's six
1:00:06
points for the touchdown and it's gonna be
1:00:08
like seven. Eight points on your scoring. For.
1:00:11
The yardage on top of it, which is just
1:00:13
like how it is for a long touchdown Catch
1:00:15
her a long touchdown run. It
1:00:17
is that something that I think could. Could.
1:00:20
Change how. Your. Weeks
1:00:22
go to. It's it's all that and I assume
1:00:24
that let's let's take it away on let's take
1:00:26
it away from the the big name guys. Let's
1:00:29
say it's Quarter or Patterson, for example, who's probably
1:00:31
only going to be a returner for the majority
1:00:33
of his production seasons. A So with Arthur Smith
1:00:35
as well. I mean, at let's let's outwards taken
1:00:37
five carries every weekend, I'm going a croquet. So
1:00:40
let's let's let's say it's five carries or five
1:00:42
touches every weekend. So he's getting let's say, three
1:00:44
points on his office touches. but he's getting seven
1:00:46
or eight points per game on his special teams.
1:00:48
such as that makes of what. Can.
1:00:51
I give you guys. To. Players of
1:00:53
them looking at his. Return. Yardage leaders
1:00:55
Last year there were two players who had:
1:00:57
if you're giving us kick return yardage it
1:00:59
throw it out. Because. It's gonna be
1:01:01
a completely different play this year, Yeah, but I
1:01:03
feel like if there is, he can only increase
1:01:06
for these guys. By. To see
1:01:08
shown Nixon and Xavier Gibson of
1:01:10
the Packers and Jets respectively. They
1:01:12
both had more than eight hundred.
1:01:16
A between eight nine hundred combined.
1:01:19
Keith uptick in punt return yards. I
1:01:22
was last year. I.
1:01:25
You. Know they they scored only one touchdown.
1:01:27
But. You. Know get interrupted almost
1:01:29
nine hundred yards. it's not Nelson there and
1:01:32
then if you think it's only gonna go
1:01:34
up because it gonna be more returns this
1:01:36
year. You. Could it be talking about these
1:01:38
guys over a thousand yards? By. The
1:01:41
Us to southeast of them be pretty hard to come by
1:01:43
so. I would say if you're
1:01:45
in a league that has scoring like Jamie
1:01:47
suggests, it's not wrong to do scoring like
1:01:49
that. Ah, be sure you're ready to draft accordingly
1:01:51
someone else and that we will be in. You
1:01:54
don't want to be caught off guard by.
1:01:56
You know about player that you would
1:01:59
normally never consider. Drafting. I'm
1:02:01
suddenly being worth a thousand yards and maybe
1:02:03
two or three touchdowns over the course of
1:02:05
the year. I. Also, the more I
1:02:07
think about that play. And. The more,
1:02:09
think about the deterrent if if a team
1:02:11
kicks the ball through the end zone, the
1:02:13
opposing team gets it at their thirties. Five
1:02:15
more yards, the more was last year. I.
1:02:18
Bet their slogan be a lot of touch backs. I
1:02:22
wouldn't scoff at five yards. It's a pretty
1:02:24
big deal and meant to be the twenty
1:02:26
yard line As certain as and a position
1:02:29
as a thirty Orlando's is revealed the twenty
1:02:31
homeless. But the original proposal was thirty five
1:02:33
yard line and that would have made it
1:02:35
up Huge deterrent. Yeah, because now you're giving
1:02:37
a team. You're taking your giving a team
1:02:40
a third of the field. I. Feel
1:02:42
like thirty yards as like the happy medium.
1:02:45
And. I I I would still imagine that there will be
1:02:47
a lot of plays were balls or kids through the end
1:02:49
zone. I. This is from Nathan. Where's
1:02:51
he from? Nathan is
1:02:53
from Fresno, California. Recently.
1:02:55
Did a dynasty start up and took
1:02:58
four quarterbacks with my first four picks
1:03:00
because I liked the values Josh Allen
1:03:02
just than Herbert, Jordan, Love and Forever
1:03:04
Lawrence. A bath, Eyes
1:03:06
and traded herbert. To
1:03:10
o two in the rookie draft. Second,
1:03:12
Round pick but second pic of
1:03:14
second round and a twenty twenty
1:03:16
five third rounder. For. Just
1:03:19
Jefferson. So.
1:03:22
Justin Herbert pick two o two and the
1:03:24
rookie draft and a third round pick. And
1:03:26
twenty twenty five for just the Jefferson and
1:03:28
he so as Allen Love and Lawrence. City.
1:03:31
Say if it was super flexor
1:03:34
two Qbs superflous. Scared
1:03:37
of. Yeah.
1:03:41
And. So he didn't say it's super flex I guess
1:03:43
I'm just assuming that. Ever
1:03:45
not reflect stuff? Yeah. The
1:03:47
were strategy of ever heard of his us it
1:03:50
reflects but I don't see why we wouldn't be
1:03:52
taking foot if it's not super flax. would
1:03:54
look at what he gave up for justin
1:03:56
jefferson it's all of the jefferson manager rights
1:03:59
terrible know but seeking for quarterback for the
1:04:01
first four pick at also very terrible i'm
1:04:03
assuming i would i would also
1:04:06
all right thank you to our email or for a
1:04:08
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1:04:11
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1:04:14
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