Summary: An hour after recording this episode, we sat down with people we care about for a very difficult conversation. In the spirit of talking about what's most alive for us on this podcast and being honest about the hard parts of our journey, we talk about the messy process of preparing for tough and stressful conversations where the stakes are often high. 

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• Intro music: "Complicate ya" by Otis McDonald
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