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Mascara. It's Jen Sullivan. So

1:44

remember, what is it now?

1:47

Maybe a month and a half ago when

1:49

we started this whole experiment of bringing on

1:51

guest co-hosts while Jess was on sabbatical. My

1:54

thinking was we would all like someone enough

1:56

to have them do like a repeat

1:58

episode, a couple repeat episodes. And that

2:00

would save me the work of identifying new people,

2:02

onboarding them, preparing them, scripting them every

2:04

week. It's a lot of work anyway.

2:07

The point is, I can't freaking help

2:09

myself. I am too curious. And every

2:12

time I think, okay, we all know which guest

2:14

co-hosts are great. And by the way, we all

2:16

do know because you all have emailed me and

2:18

messaged me about the same people. It's interesting how

2:21

much we all agree. Then I

2:23

think of another person I want to get to

2:25

know and chat with. So bear with me because

2:27

I have a few more guests planned, but I

2:29

promise they are all our kind of people, especially

2:32

today's guest co-host, Alexandra Pauli

2:34

is the beauty editor of

2:36

High Snobiety. So High Snobiety,

2:38

in my mind, it's a

2:40

media website that used to feel very

2:42

devoted to streetwear and like early,

2:44

early fashion and culture adopters, if

2:46

that makes sense. But I'm going to ask her

2:48

to explain it more so you can get a better sense

2:50

of what they're all about. But Alex is a great writer

2:52

with a unique take on beauty culture that I love. It

2:54

shares a lot in common with the way I like to

2:56

think about beauty. A bit cerebrally

2:58

sometimes you all know I can

3:00

nerd out. Hello, Science Corner. But

3:02

it's also business minded, product obsessed,

3:04

passionate about beauty, and

3:07

always fun and not too serious. So

3:09

we met recently and I thought she was cool. And

3:11

I enjoyed her writing in the past. I was like,

3:13

why not get to know her as

3:15

a guest co-host on Fat Mascara. So

3:18

please welcome to the studio, Alex Pauli.

3:26

Alex, welcome to Fat Mascara. Hello, I'm so excited to

3:28

be here. I can't say this to you, but

3:32

you're longtime listener first time guest host.

3:34

Yes, I'm a longtime listener. I've been

3:36

listening to this regularly now for like

3:38

about two years. So I don't know

3:40

if I can call myself like an

3:42

OG OG listener. But it's

3:45

to the point where my boyfriend recognizes

3:47

your guys voices. Because

3:49

I listen, I listen to the pod like,

3:52

when I'm doing my makeup fittingly,

3:54

and like when I'm getting ready in the morning. And so

3:56

he refers to you and Jess as

3:58

the beauty lady. I

4:01

will take it. I like that. I also like

4:03

that you guys are comfortable enough that you can

4:05

have us on speakers instead of

4:07

in your AirPods while you do your

4:10

makeup. Oh no, I have it. I have it on

4:12

full volume. Oh yeah, I wouldn't

4:14

want to have AirPods while I do my makeup. I

4:16

don't know why. I know they don't cover

4:18

up any of my face, but I feel

4:20

like that would feel weird, right? Yeah, it

4:22

would feel like constraining. Yeah. Speaking of makeup,

4:25

look at my lips. They're destroyed at this

4:27

moment, and now that we do video, I

4:29

just, this is Garrett. I'm like, Ooh, a

4:31

fellow beauty editor. Tell me about myself. But

4:34

I am convinced. Tell me what you think of this theory that

4:36

I just came up with. You know all the new

4:38

lip plumpers that are out right now, like

4:40

the glosses with the maxi lip

4:42

ingredient. Yes. And it's

4:44

not always the capsaicin of yesteryear

4:47

or menthol. It's just like new

4:49

plumping technology. I'm convinced they

4:51

dry out your lips. Thoughts and opinions.

4:53

That wouldn't surprise me. Honestly, I haven't

4:55

tried any of them because they scare me because everyone

4:57

that I've spoken to is like they freaking hurt. And

5:00

I just don't want to put myself through that.

5:02

But that wouldn't surprise me because I've heard also

5:04

that like lip balm, for example, that has menthol

5:07

in it that actually is an irritant. And it

5:09

makes you actually more dependent because it just puts

5:11

you in the cycle of

5:13

it irritates your skin, dries out your skin.

5:15

And so you have to keep using the lip balm.

5:18

I know, but it's one of these men thought for sure.

5:20

And it's one of these ingredients. They're like new lip gloss,

5:22

what could go wrong? And I don't look at ingredient lists

5:24

on lip gloss, because I'm just like, I'll look at an

5:26

ingredient list on a serum or a face

5:28

moisturizer. But lip gloss and linkage is lip gloss.

5:31

Here I am the last month of winter. It looks

5:33

like I have cold sores. Shout

5:35

out to anybody who's cold sores. I know how horrible they

5:37

can be. But like, it's just trapped. And

5:40

I'm anyway, the new lip plumpers

5:42

proceed with caution. Sad mascara listeners.

5:45

Honestly, aquaphor. I know,

5:47

but that's so boring. I want

5:50

to play with all the things. And

5:52

then Rihanna sends me Fenty Skin Kalahari

5:54

Melon. And I got to get in

5:56

on that. That one actually seems like it's good. There's no plumpers

5:58

in that. That seems like a lip mask. skin moisturizing.

6:00

But anyway, that's why I

6:03

look like this. Welcome to the show. I'm

6:05

so excited to have you here. I know

6:07

you're a frag head like me. You write

6:09

the most amazing articles. I have

6:12

to ask you, I usually ask like, what's your first

6:14

beauty product? I'm going to throw you for a loop.

6:16

What's the first thing you ever wrote ever

6:19

that you can remember? The first

6:21

thing that I wrote ever? Like,

6:24

not for a job, but just know

6:27

maybe there's a little poem you wrote mom,

6:29

dad for Mother's Day or something or I

6:31

don't know story. I've always been really,

6:33

really into fashion. So I used to

6:36

make my own fashion magazines and

6:39

make them with like marker and printer paper. And

6:41

so I have the headlines on the cover, draw

6:43

a like a little model. And then I would

6:45

do like, I'm so sorry, my

6:47

dog is making some noises in the

6:50

background. Hopefully you can't hear it here

6:52

for the fashion magazines is excited. Yeah,

6:54

I would draw like the fashion

6:56

spreads. Yeah, I feel like that.

6:59

That made me. Can you remember a headline? I distinctly

7:03

remember I can't remember the headline, but I distinctly

7:05

remember drawing a bunch of like

7:07

different skirts and being like, these are the cool

7:10

skirts that you need. And one of them was

7:12

like a jean skirt. And then one had like

7:14

little ruffled like tears. Hot

7:18

skirts for fall. You got it here first.

7:20

Exactly. All right. So you're like an you've

7:22

been into journalism, fashion, beauty, sounds

7:25

like for a long time. But

7:27

for our listeners who don't know

7:29

what highest nobody is, obviously, they just listen

7:31

to me talk about you in the intro. But

7:34

how would you describe it these days? It's

7:36

grown a lot since it launched. It

7:38

has been a lot of founded back in 2005. So

7:40

it's been around

7:42

for a long time now. But I would

7:44

describe it as a brand that really sits

7:47

at the intersection of fashion and culture. So

7:50

everything that we do is really about

7:52

kind of contextualizing style. So for example,

7:54

we're not just like covering a new

7:56

purse or like a new makeup product,

7:58

but really trying to where

8:00

it fits into culture and why it's important. So

8:03

we call our readers like the cultural

8:05

pioneer. So they're someone who's really

8:08

ahead of the curve. They're an early adopter

8:10

of like trends and emerging designers. So another

8:12

big part of our coverage

8:14

is to amplify more

8:16

like indie designers and creatives. So

8:19

yeah, you can read

8:21

High Snob online on our website. This

8:24

indie ethos though, does it extend to

8:26

your beauty vertical, which you

8:28

launched, right? Just about a year ago. I

8:31

remember when it launched, I was like, ooh, what are they gonna do? It's

8:34

amazing so far, but do you try

8:36

to highlight the indie beauty brands as

8:38

well? Or what's the take when you're

8:41

in the beauty vertical of High Snobiety? Yeah,

8:43

I mean, I definitely think I

8:45

try to highlight emerging new brands.

8:48

I love talking to new founders and interviewing them

8:50

and kind of getting to

8:52

the bottom of like why they're inspired to

8:54

start their own brand. What's the last brand

8:56

founder that you met that you were like, this person's

8:58

cool. Okay, there's

9:01

this new brand called Asset. Have you heard of it? No,

9:04

teach me, tell me. It is

9:06

a butt skincare brand. It's skincare

9:08

specifically for your butt. Okay. And

9:12

their very first product is called the Hole

9:15

Serum, H-O-L-E, and it's

9:17

a serum for your butt hole. Okay,

9:20

so when you say butt to me, I

9:22

feel like this is a vagina vulva conversation,

9:25

but like a butt encompasses both our gluteus

9:27

cheeks, right? Yes. And the hole

9:29

that needs this serum. Why does the hole need

9:31

this serum? Because we- Say

9:34

according to the founder. Yes, at least

9:36

we Americans wiping culture, he said

9:39

is out of hand. We

9:41

don't, not all of us have bidets. I

9:43

don't have a bidet. I would love one,

9:46

but because of that, because you're constantly, there's

9:48

constantly friction. So that

9:50

area that gets very prone to irritation.

9:52

And for some people that leads to

9:54

itchiness, even

9:56

like bleeding tears, et

9:59

cetera. Oh, Mega Babe founder

10:01

Katie Storino just talked about this recently

10:03

on social media. Yes. Also,

10:05

apparently, if you're pregnant, that can increase the

10:07

irritation down there. If you have a job

10:10

where you're sitting all day, that too. So

10:13

it really is a very commonplace issue. So

10:16

somebody started, okay, asset, cute name,

10:18

a whole brand based on this.

10:21

First of all, my husband for, I think it

10:23

was our one or two year

10:25

anniversary, got me a Toto toilet topper

10:27

bidet, like not the most

10:31

romantic gift ever. It's the one

10:33

that like, it sits. Meanwhile, guys, I'm

10:35

the one who had to install it. Like I had to

10:37

do something because I'm good at that stuff. But anyway, that's

10:39

the less romantic part of the gift. It sits on top

10:42

of a regular toilet, but turns it into the bidet

10:44

with the dryer with the warm up. It's

10:46

the greatest thing ever. It's from Toto.

10:49

And I love it for the environmental

10:52

impact reasons alone, because you use less paper and

10:54

wipes and things. Anyway, back to

10:56

asset. You meet these cool founders.

10:59

That's a recent one. Are you going

11:01

to write about it? Have you written about it? I

11:03

have written about it already. I can send you a link. Absolutely.

11:06

Please do. What's like a story

11:09

you've been really proud of in the last year

11:11

that you did for your site? Yeah,

11:13

I have to say state of

11:15

fragrance. So it's essentially a white paper that

11:18

we released on kind of how young people

11:20

today are interacting with scent. Obviously,

11:23

fragrance is a passion of mine, kind

11:26

of outside of work as well. So

11:28

it's really amazing to be able to kind of collaborate

11:30

with our in-house research team. They surveyed hundreds of

11:33

our readers about their relationship with

11:35

fragrance, their fragrance hot takes, their favorite,

11:37

their least favorite brands. And I think

11:39

the result is a really great resource

11:41

for both brands and

11:44

fragrance lovers. And

11:46

just talking to people, doing interviews for

11:48

the story kind of confirmed a lot

11:50

of my suspicions about what people

11:53

want to see, what they don't want to see. What

11:55

do they want to see? Well, one

11:57

thing, not entirely surprising, because I felt that

12:00

for a long time and I don't know about you. People

12:02

are so sick of celebrity ambassadors,

12:04

celebrity faces for fragrances. Every

12:07

single person I spoke to was like, stop

12:09

hiring celebrities through the face of fragrance. It

12:12

doesn't make sense. We don't

12:14

like it. With everybody you spoke

12:16

to American, just wondering. Not everyone.

12:18

I interviewed one person, I interviewed a

12:20

couple people from London. Okay.

12:23

And they don't like the celebrities. Because I was

12:25

gonna say the European brands love to hire a

12:27

celebrity for a favorite commercial. I know. Yeah.

12:30

That's not what people want. I also saw you did

12:32

a story on the Gourmand

12:34

fragrance trend and tying

12:36

it to diet culture, which I thought was

12:38

fascinating. Did some of the things in that

12:41

story come out of the research you were

12:43

doing when you were putting together the trend

12:45

report? No, you know, it's

12:47

interesting. They were not at all connected

12:49

in my mind. I actually came

12:51

up with the idea for the Gourmand story

12:54

after I was on perfume room, which

12:56

I know you and Jess have been on. Yeah.

12:59

Love Emma. But we talked

13:01

about the Gourmand trend during the

13:03

episode when we were recording. And

13:05

she kind of made this comment where she was

13:08

jokingly like, are we just hungry? Is that

13:10

why we want Gourmand? And then

13:12

after I was kind of thinking, you know what? Maybe

13:15

she's right. Maybe we are just hungry. And then

13:17

she ended up actually getting some really

13:19

interesting DMs from listeners saying, it's

13:22

so interesting that everyone wants food

13:24

scented fragrance during a time when

13:26

we're really kind of reverting to

13:28

the thin ideal. I mean, not

13:30

that it really ever went away, but

13:34

I guess pushed me to kind of

13:36

interrogate my own

13:38

relationship to eating and

13:41

sugar in particular, because a lot of these

13:43

Gourmand are very like desert-y, vanilla-y.

13:46

But yeah, that was another, that's definitely another one that I'm

13:48

also proud of. It was great. I

13:50

loved it. What are you wearing today for your fat mascara

13:52

debut? Do you have a fragrance on? I

13:55

do have fragrance on. Actually, we'll talk about more

13:57

during Ray's wand, but I'm

13:59

wearing. She knows the show well, I

14:01

like it. Okay save it for raise. You're gonna raise

14:03

a lot to it. Okay. Okay Yeah, hold it

14:05

out so people can wait for that I

14:07

was thinking about like how to get to know your

14:09

personality better and Something that we both

14:12

write about a lot or at least have

14:14

to consider is beauty collaborations I

14:16

just saw did you see the one that elf cosmetics

14:18

did with liquid death? Yeah, actually Did

14:21

you see the commercial for it that came out?

14:23

I saw the still campaigns and I was going through

14:25

them But I didn't watch the video yet. Why do you

14:27

owe the video? The video is really cute Like I I

14:29

have to give it up for them. It's I

14:32

mean, it was a genius collaboration Yeah, and

14:35

then did you see like Julia Fox did her

14:37

whole thing where she debuted it out on the

14:39

street, New York She can do

14:41

no wrong in my eyes. Yeah. Yeah, so I was thinking

14:43

about that. That was a really good one There you go

14:45

bit of news before we even got into the news

14:47

But like what would be a dream collab for

14:49

you? Like what would you like? I would buy that in

14:51

a second I feel like makeup

14:54

collaborations can get super gimmicky very

14:56

quickly. I Mean

14:58

did you see today? I think they just

15:00

announced Shrek and lush are doing a collab.

15:03

I Think

15:06

there was one before that I can remember.

15:08

I mean that wouldn't surprise me.

15:10

Yeah. Okay. So this one is with what

15:12

brand sorry lush Lush,

15:14

okay. Love lush nothing against lush, but

15:17

I just I don't want

15:19

a bath bomb That makes my

15:21

fat water like a small Is

15:24

that the premise? Yeah, okay

15:28

The whole premise is like get out of my small I

15:31

This goes to those like all right. I

15:33

called them stunt perfumes before this is stunt

15:35

beauty products that you don't actually think people

15:37

want But they will make a social video

15:40

about and then you're just it's literally just

15:42

to sell you are not feeling a need

15:44

You're not making my life better. Maybe

15:46

a kid would be really into that but treks

15:48

like an old movie It's not even like a

15:50

cool young movie. Yeah, I mean

15:53

it's a classic for sure Yeah, it's a

15:55

classic but but I mean yeah, it's

15:57

it's like a fun thing to buy if you like want to

15:59

make it tick-tock video about it. You know what's gonna

16:01

happen? It's gonna backfire and everybody's gonna make a

16:03

video about what their bathtub looks like after they

16:05

drain it, after they did the Shrek Lush

16:08

Bomb. Yeah, totally. Sorry, there's no

16:10

reporting behind that. I don't actually know if

16:12

it'll stain your bathtub, but it's just my

16:14

thinking. In terms of something that I would love to

16:16

see, I mean, maybe this isn't

16:18

exactly a collab per se, but obviously Drew's

16:21

Van Note and just stepped down or stepped

16:23

away from his brand. I would

16:25

have loved to have seen his

16:27

beauty line expand under his creative

16:29

direction. Obviously, have you seen the

16:31

perfumes and the lipsticks? I'm sure you have.

16:33

Yeah, I've seen them. I did not get

16:35

to try them, did you? Yes. One

16:38

of my all-time favorite scents is the

16:40

Drew's Van Note and it's called Slur

16:42

Dumal. It's like an

16:44

Ozmantis scent, but it brings out

16:46

like the peachiness of Ozmantis, so

16:48

I would consider it a

16:50

fruity fragrance. And then there's a

16:53

base note of suede in it that's really,

16:55

really sexy. It's a perfect, like,

16:57

the weather is getting warmer kind of scent.

16:59

Oh, it's like a transition to winter to

17:01

spring from the suede to the Ozmantis. Yeah.

17:04

And he was involved with the

17:06

original launches. I remember reading in

17:09

the press release. Yes, I'm pretty

17:11

sure. So you want to

17:13

see the color under his direction. Yeah, I

17:15

would have loved to seen like a Drew's

17:17

Van Note eyeshadow palette. Like, I can just,

17:19

I'm imagining it right now. All the color

17:21

is inspired by like the flowers in his

17:23

garden and like the packaging I can imagine

17:25

would be just like gorgeous. I

17:27

like that. All right, let's put it out into the world.

17:29

Maybe it'll come back. Maybe he'll be like, I miss, he

17:32

doesn't want to do fashion anymore. Maybe he'll miss the beauty.

17:34

I could never see that happen. Nope, I'm just

17:36

going to work on the beauty collaboration. So that's

17:39

a good one that gives us a sense of

17:41

your style and sensibility. I like that. One more

17:43

that I would love to see is like an

17:45

Amy Winehouse eyeliner or

17:47

something. Now, do

17:50

you want to do it apostomous? Because

17:52

I know Mac did Selena with her

17:54

family. You would have liked it

17:57

when she was still with us. Yeah, I know

17:59

that kind of The makeup collab boom

18:01

kind of came after her time,

18:03

unfortunately, but I think, yeah,

18:05

I would have loved to see her come

18:07

out with some special edition eyeliner. That

18:11

would have been good. That would have been good. I

18:14

know Adele has filed trademarks, completely different kind of music.

18:16

I was just thinking about it because of the black

18:18

eyeliner look, completely different kind of black eyeliner look. And

18:21

I'm like waiting to see what that's going to be. Can

18:23

you hear my dog in the background? I

18:25

heard a little growl every now and then. What's your

18:28

dog's name? His name is Cam. Cam,

18:30

keep it down. It's OK. So

18:32

before we go into the news, I did want to

18:34

ask you, you're up on everything that's going

18:36

on in the beauty industry. Is there

18:38

a particular story or trend that

18:41

you like following that you just cannot get enough

18:43

of? Yes, definitely. I love

18:45

what is it. I

18:47

love all the TikTok micro trends, but specifically

18:49

like the names that people come up with

18:51

for them. So

18:54

it's just like it was some. Yeah, it's

18:56

endlessly it's endlessly entertaining for me to see like

18:59

the links that people go to repackage

19:01

like very boring beauty things. So

19:04

glaze, donut skin, it's just like

19:07

dewy, highlighted skin, blueberry

19:09

milk nails, literally just blue

19:11

nail polish, cinnamon cookie butter

19:13

hair, strawberry roll makeup.

19:16

I've seen cinnamon cookie butter hair.

19:19

Yes. Yeah. This

19:21

is because they're hungry like thin culture is making them hungry.

19:23

I swear. I was thinking that

19:25

you said about the fragrance. Yeah, it's totally

19:27

the same thing. But also I will say

19:29

like it does make sense because food

19:31

is such like a universal touchpoint. And

19:34

it's such a good way to describe the

19:36

color of something, the texture of something like

19:38

obviously the smell of something where

19:41

if you like say it to anyone, they'll be like, oh yeah, I

19:43

totally know what you're talking about. So it does

19:45

make sense. But yeah, like you said, kind of

19:48

the connection to like diet,

19:50

diet culture and genders is also

19:52

very, very interesting to me. Yeah.

19:55

And I just I have to go back

19:57

to also the ability to join. in

20:00

the crowd. I have a social media manager now

20:02

and she's like, everybody's doing this on TikTok. Do

20:04

you want to do your take on it? And

20:06

I'm always like, nope, no, I do not. I

20:08

do not need to add to the trending hashtag

20:10

because I just feel like that's

20:12

the reason some of these trends take off, not because

20:15

people want to look like cinnamon cookie butter hair, but

20:17

they want to be, which was fine to be part

20:19

of community. That's what a big part of beauty is.

20:22

But sometimes it feels so performative and fake. Yeah,

20:25

I also think these are

20:27

like manufactured names that

20:29

PR companies and even journalists come up

20:32

with and then just keep snowballing. Yeah.

20:35

Is it top down? I don't know. I

20:37

could see journalists. I definitely did that back in the day. I

20:39

mean, that's part of the job when I worked at a

20:41

teen magazine to come up with cutesy names for things.

20:44

But some of them like broccoli freckles, come on.

20:47

I didn't think of that in a PR version did not think of

20:49

broccoli freckles. Like that was a bored

20:52

content creator. But yeah, I

20:54

can't get enough of it either. And you know, it's

20:56

going to ramp up now that we're getting into spring and summer.

20:58

And there's definitely going to be like whatever

21:00

this summer summer girl is, whoever she's

21:03

going to be. It was last

21:05

year was tomato girl summer, right? Right.

21:07

So this summer, I mean, at this point

21:10

it's like what Haley Bieber does, I guess.

21:12

Yeah, yeah. It becomes the summer. Whatever Haley

21:14

does. Maybe we'll see. Hopefully

21:16

somebody new and fresh will come in. But

21:19

shall we go talk about the news? Because I know

21:21

there's some things you wanted to talk about. Let's do

21:23

it. OK.

21:27

It is time to talk news that we've been doing that

21:29

all along. So once I

21:31

knew you were coming on the show, we were

21:33

texting about things to talk about. And you

21:36

sent me a link to a story about

21:38

the Swedish pharmacy chain Apatech Hearted. I

21:42

practiced saying it, but I know I'm not doing

21:44

it well. Anyway, this Swedish

21:46

pharmacy banned sales of advanced skincare to

21:48

kids under 15. And you've since written

21:51

about this as well. What's

21:53

going on here? Yes.

21:55

So any Child under

21:57

15 years old is banned from buying.

22:00

They call advanced skincare

22:02

products. So what makes

22:04

us good? Your product

22:06

advanced. Basically advancing Koreans

22:08

include. Retinol which is

22:10

vitamin A. As I'm sure we

22:13

all know here, they didn't see what's.

22:15

Often use of like a Brightening agents

22:17

and like serums and claims. Killing.

22:20

Enzymes. So. They didn't

22:22

really specify exactly what they

22:24

mean by Julie and I'm

22:26

like I'm gonna assume they

22:28

mean some of these lakes

22:30

fruits and times that are

22:32

often use of exploiting masks.

22:34

So papaya, pineapple piano also

22:36

exploiting acid so that includes

22:38

your alpha hydroxy acid, your

22:40

beta hijack the acid for

22:42

lactic acid glycolic acid. So

22:44

that's what the ban includes.

22:47

Okay, clearly this was the

22:49

response to seeing younger people

22:51

getting. Into skincare and

22:53

even anti aging skincare.

22:56

What's your thought? On if this a

22:58

work and or if this is the way to go

23:00

with us. You. Know I have got. For.

23:03

Your my guess so aren't here Years

23:05

first I'd. Say to your years head

23:07

hanging out with an i don't think it's

23:09

a bad thing by any means. By your

23:11

the same time I think it's gonna be

23:13

so easy for anyone who wants to get

23:16

their hands on these products to find an

23:18

alternative supplier so he can just go online.

23:20

You can you buy anything from Liar like

23:22

their truck has. I get my i gotta

23:24

get my admit skincare spin. truly in some

23:26

cases they do of Vitamin A rant know

23:29

if you're fourteen and have actually you might

23:31

really want that ingredient? Yeah and they are

23:33

making an exception for people who has a

23:35

skin condition. Or people who have permission from

23:37

their parents. So. It's not

23:39

a total complete. Ban.

23:42

But I do think that we should

23:44

be placing the focus more on like

23:46

educating parents about how to talk to

23:48

their kids about the culture vs. Meeting

23:51

these products prohibit is. Because

23:53

I think. One something

23:55

is off limits. For. Kids

23:57

are young. I think it just. Reinforces

23:59

the. idea that that thing is

24:02

desirable. It's like the whole thing with

24:04

underage drinking. Like you want it because

24:06

you don't have it. 100% might take. Like the way to

24:08

get someone to do something if they're that age is to

24:10

tell them not to do it. And it's

24:12

like reverse psychology. I think

24:15

it's just for peace of mind of the parents

24:17

to do this. In fact, I don't even think

24:19

that they care that they're selling to the underage

24:21

kids. It's like, look, we're helping your children. We're

24:23

the pharmacy that cares about you and your family.

24:25

You know, there's like 500 locations in Sweden.

24:27

If I was an adult and nervous about

24:29

this and thought on social media, I'd be like, I

24:32

have a tech hardship really cares about my kids. Yeah,

24:35

no, I totally agree. And on that

24:37

vein, I think it was the same week or maybe

24:40

it was the week after Kiehl's launched

24:42

a social media campaign. I wouldn't call it

24:44

a campaign. It was like a couple posts

24:46

here and there. It was an image of

24:48

kids playing in mud and the

24:51

tagline was like, the only type

24:53

of mask children should wear.

24:55

I might be paraphrasing there, meaning like

24:57

you don't need to give a face mask to

25:00

your kid. They should be outside playing in mud, which

25:03

I thought was interesting coming

25:05

from a skincare brand because

25:07

we've seen other skincare brands

25:09

embracing their quote unquote underage

25:12

consumers. I thought

25:14

again, this might be pandering to the

25:16

parents who are nervous about this.

25:18

Did you see that campaign? Yes, I

25:20

saw it. And I agree. I also have

25:22

mixed feelings about this. Like, I don't

25:24

disagree with the core message. Like it's

25:26

not I love the message. Yeah, like

25:28

brand should not be marketing anti aging

25:31

products to children like plain and simple.

25:33

But then it's also what

25:35

about people who are in their 20s and

25:37

30s? This is a brand that

25:40

still sells anti aging products. And

25:42

the connotation is that it's not okay for

25:44

kids to worry about aging, which is

25:47

true. But then like, what about people in

25:49

their 20s and 30s? I mean, even people who are

25:51

older, like in their 40s, 50s, 60s, should they even

25:53

feel the pressure to want to look younger? Yeah. And

25:56

the the pharmacy that did the ban and some

25:58

of these things they like a

26:00

band-aid, they're not solving the

26:03

actual root of this problem. Like, why are

26:05

our kids interested? Are kids like either? You

26:07

know what I mean? Like, why are they

26:09

interested in anti-aging products? Why are they

26:11

interested in so much skincare? It's because

26:14

our culture has an obsession with youth.

26:16

It's because they have photo filters on all

26:18

their photos. It's because consumerism is rampant

26:20

and you want to collect things and skincare

26:23

seems very collectible. So it

26:25

feels like instead of addressing those

26:27

root problems, which I've seen some

26:29

other campaigns do, they're addressing a

26:31

more superficial side of those problems.

26:34

Yeah. I mean, and that makes sense because actually getting

26:36

to like the root of these issues is so

26:39

daunting. I don't necessarily blame them, but I do

26:41

agree that it's more of a band-aid fix.

26:44

Yeah. And there's been other campaigns on social media,

26:46

even about the photo filters, like when that glamour,

26:48

what was it called glamour? What last summer, what

26:50

was that photo filter that everybody was using for

26:52

a hot second? And it was bold glamour,

26:55

bold glamour, right? When bold glamour came out,

26:57

there was like a beauty brand that immediately

26:59

was like, this is our version of bold

27:01

glamour. Like don't use the photo filter, use

27:04

this product. And again, I was just like, well,

27:06

you're not helping because your photos are retouched as

27:08

well. Like if you really want to help, then

27:10

we need to start there. But I feel

27:12

like I love the glamour of the beauty

27:15

industry and I kind of like the mystery here

27:17

and there. So I'm, I can see both sides of

27:19

it, but that pharmacy, I

27:21

believe it has like 500 stores in Sweden.

27:23

It has just gone into effect. We'll link

27:25

to it. We can link to your story.

27:27

Let's link to your story. This is first,

27:29

I will link to Alex's story because

27:31

she wrote about it in case you want to look

27:33

into that more. Do you want to go over to

27:35

science corner and actually ties into what we were

27:37

just talking about? Shall we? Yeah. Let's

27:43

do it. There's a

27:45

new study that just came out in

27:47

nature, the journal about why

27:50

teens may smell gross to

27:52

their parents. So we all

27:54

know chemosensory information is conveyed by body

27:56

odors. And you know that when you think about

27:58

a person that you love. like there's a

28:00

scent to people and some people just turn you off

28:02

or turn you on. Well, when it comes to children

28:05

and parents, there are studies that show parents are able

28:07

to identify their own child's like infant

28:09

child's scent and they prefer that scent

28:11

over the smell of other children. But

28:13

what happens is when kids go into

28:15

puberty, this isn't part of the study,

28:17

but just some background, they

28:19

found in studies that parents

28:22

are often like more than

28:24

a stranger averse to the scent

28:27

of their own children during puberty.

28:29

We've all heard the joke, like

28:31

it's probably happened to all of us when we

28:33

were going through puberty and our parents are like,

28:35

you stink. And it's almost like

28:37

you are convinced that you smell because your

28:39

parents say so and you put on all

28:41

this deodorant and then you go out into

28:43

the world and you think it's fine. Here's

28:45

the thing, you might not smell as bad

28:48

as you think you do, adolescent child. Your

28:50

parents actually might be perceiving your scent as

28:52

worse. And the reason is they

28:54

think, this is a theory, that because

28:57

an aversion to their smell might actually help to

28:59

prevent inbreeding, it's like you've become into puberty and

29:01

if you're living in a small society, let's take

29:03

it back to the cave people and whatever, like

29:06

that would show you this is a person that

29:08

I am not meant to have a relationship

29:10

in children worth because we have some

29:12

genetic connection. So the researchers wanted

29:14

to look into this, so they

29:16

studied. Okay, I love, I love

29:18

picturing the methodology for some of

29:21

these things. They took 18 healthy

29:23

infants and 18 pubertal, this

29:25

was a new word to me,

29:27

but like children in puberty average

29:29

age around 15 and they sewed

29:31

cotton pads into their clothing and then

29:34

they removed the cotton pads and they analyzed

29:36

them for their odor compounds. They did this

29:38

with natural fragrance evaluators who can use their

29:40

nose and words to tell you, but also

29:42

with gas chromatography, mass

29:45

spectrometry, GC-MS. You

29:48

know the same way they might take a perfume and they

29:50

do that headspace to find out what molecules

29:52

are in it. Turns out,

29:55

source of fragrance evaluators called some of the

29:57

substances in the teen cotton. has

30:00

goat-like, like not just like

30:03

animal barnyard, but a goat-like

30:05

aroma, a musty, cheesy aroma,

30:07

and an earthy aroma, something

30:09

that the children didn't have.

30:11

So Helene Lewis, who's an aroma

30:14

and smell researcher at the University of

30:16

Nuremberg that did some of this, said they don't

30:19

have a global consensus on how to describe

30:21

those odors, but ultimately

30:23

they landed on goat-like. So

30:26

the teens smelled goat-like where the

30:28

toddlers smell like flowers. That's a

30:30

really simplified version. The toddlers had

30:32

a sweeter, a sweeter type

30:34

of note to it. I don't know what you were

30:36

going to say, but what did you, have you seen

30:39

this study or the link that I sent

30:41

you? What did you think? I certainly looked

30:43

at the link when you sent it. It's

30:45

hilarious. Goat-like, I love that. I

30:47

feel like every time I do Science Corner, the

30:49

guest co-hosts are like, why did they study that?

30:53

I mean, okay, the inbreeding part is

30:56

so interesting because like you said, the smell

30:58

of someone they say can like influence your

31:00

attraction to them. So it's like the whole

31:02

pheromone thing. And that's why pheromone perfumes are

31:04

a thing. Like people think that they are

31:06

going to attract their crush by

31:09

like wearing specific chemicals that trigger

31:11

some primal response in their brain.

31:13

I wrote about that for the

31:15

cut. There's literally no science to it. All the people

31:17

I talked to are like, we don't even have the

31:20

receptors to smell quote unquote pheromones the way

31:22

animals do, but continue. Yeah. It's

31:24

so funny. I don't know if you've

31:26

ever seen Millionaire Matchmaker. I love

31:28

that show. But Patty Stanger from

31:30

Millionaire Matchmaker just came out with

31:33

a pheromone perfume, quote unquote pheromone

31:35

perfume this past Valentine's Day. Did

31:37

you smell it? I did not. This

31:40

study reminded me of a TikTok that I

31:43

recently came across and

31:45

disclaimer, I do not know

31:47

if this is scientifically accurate. So please

31:49

fact check it. Pseudo science corner. Alex

31:52

gets her own corner. Pseudo science. Pseudo

31:54

science corner. So this woman was

31:57

talking about why baby heads smell

31:59

so good. like you're saying with the

32:01

coddlers, like they smell kind of sweet. And

32:03

this person was alleging that it's because their

32:06

skull has not fully developed. So they have

32:08

that soft spot where the bone has not

32:11

come together. Okay, and

32:13

she was saying that

32:15

they smell good. And what you're

32:18

smelling is their brain through the

32:20

soft spot in their skull. It

32:23

sounds very far-fetched, but I'm curious if

32:25

anyone can confirm or deny. Okay, I

32:28

might post recording pop in here to confirm or

32:30

deny after we do some research because the only

32:32

thing I've ever heard is that

32:35

if a baby is feeding on

32:37

breast milk, there is a vanillin, vanillin in,

32:39

I might say the molecule wrong, compound in

32:41

breast milk that then they emit a little

32:43

bit that has like this vanilla kind of

32:45

scent to it that can be pleasing to

32:48

a lot of people. Okay, but the top

32:50

of the head thing. Yeah,

32:52

because puppies actually emit scent

32:55

on the top of the head. You know puppy head, there's

32:57

even a perfume, I think called puppy head. Oh, really? Wow.

33:01

We're getting too deep that we have to we haven't

33:03

pre-fact checked this guy. But the top

33:05

of the head thing I'm like, well, that's just what you

33:07

sniff when you go down, bend down to like, hug

33:10

a kid and they're just delicious, you know, but

33:12

oh, the brain smell? No, thank you. Is that

33:15

true? I'm going to be grossed out whenever I

33:17

smell baby's head from now on. Yeah,

33:19

yeah, totally. Okay, future Jen just

33:21

jumping in here as I'm editing the

33:24

episode. Of course, I had to look into this right

33:26

away. It is just a coincidence that

33:28

the soft spot or fontanelle on the top of

33:30

a baby's head is where

33:32

it also smells good. You cannot smell

33:34

organs through skin. However, in

33:37

2019, researchers in Japan did an

33:39

analysis of baby head aromas hours

33:42

and days after birth, and

33:44

they found a composition of 37 volatile odor

33:46

components, including aldehydes, which often

33:49

smell good, and carboxylic

33:51

acids. So they actually deduced that

33:53

some of these odors could be traced

33:55

back to amniotic fluid, but the

33:57

data suggested they were secreting

34:01

at least 14 of those odors for

34:03

days afterwards, even as they washed. And

34:06

it's theorized these come from their glands and their

34:08

skin, again, not from their

34:10

brains. Okay, back to your regularly scheduled

34:13

programming. And by the way, we'll put

34:15

the links to that study and all this stuff in the show notes so

34:17

you guys can check it out later if you want to. Okay,

34:20

moving over to business desk.

34:23

I have just a little retail roundup for

34:25

us. I thought it was exciting to hear

34:27

that Ulta Beauty is expanding into Mexico. I

34:30

remember they were supposed to go into Canada and

34:33

then a little thing like the pandemic happened. So

34:35

that's good news. Then Sephora is

34:37

actually exiting Korea. They had six stores

34:40

there and they're closing them. But over

34:42

in England, they're expanding. I just had

34:44

on a guest co-host, Cherise. She's British.

34:47

And she was like, people are loving it

34:49

over here. So then I think that third

34:51

they're opening their third store, which will be

34:54

in Manchester and then a fourth in Newcastle

34:56

for all our British listeners. Where

34:59

do you shop for beauty as I'm going to sell

35:01

a retail roundup? Sephora.

35:04

Sephora mainly for sure. I

35:06

do love the Bergdorf beauty

35:09

floor though, but obviously a little

35:11

bit on the pricier side. I love

35:13

to browse there though. So honestly, we get

35:16

so much stuff. She's like, I shop my

35:18

closet from the publicist. Yeah. Yeah.

35:20

And then just to round this out here in Brooklyn. I

35:23

know you're on the Lower East Side. I'm in Brooklyn. The

35:25

old Shen Beauty, which unfortunately closed down, has now

35:27

been taken over by a Cosbar. So

35:30

there's a Cosbar speaking of upscale beauty

35:32

retailers in Brooklyn as well. And

35:34

then a new, because people are always asking us, oh, I'm

35:36

going to be in New York. What beauty shops should I

35:39

go to? And I

35:41

thought this one's really cool that

35:43

I checked out the Brazilian fragrance

35:45

company Granado. They've been around since the 1800s. They

35:48

actually used to do the official

35:50

Brazilian Imperial Families fragrances. They just

35:52

opened an outpost here in New

35:54

York. So I want to

35:56

know where you shop because I always tell people,

35:58

I call it perfume. But it's

36:01

just Mulberry Street. It's like there's a DS

36:03

in Durga, but then if you keep walking,

36:05

there's like four more fragrance shops. Fuegia is

36:07

down there. Vivi Aetus de

36:10

Venustas, but all these little perfume shops. But

36:12

what do you say when you have friends coming to town

36:14

who want to shop? Yeah, I tell them the same thing

36:16

to go to perfume row. I love Oswald.

36:19

What is Oswald? It's right across the

36:21

street from the DS in Durga store

36:23

on Mulberry. It's a niche fragrance boutique.

36:26

The thing I love about them is that they

36:28

don't keep anything like behind the counter. So you

36:30

can just go in and just spray

36:32

whatever you want yourself and take your time. You don't

36:34

have to ask people like, oh, how do you pronounce

36:36

this brand's name? Blah, blah, blah. And they're super nice.

36:39

They also have this amazing wall of

36:41

just like the mini perfume bottles. Yeah,

36:44

they have a wall of just like vintage ones. And

36:47

it's amazing. That's cool. Because I'm so

36:49

used to seeing people with collections of the large

36:51

like the... Yeah. What do

36:53

they call it? Jess Matlin would know this word. Yeah,

36:56

there's a specific term for it. Flack

36:58

cone? That can't be right. But the

37:00

large perfume bottles that they put at the

37:02

department stores, but I've never seen a mini

37:04

bottle collection. They're so cute. Oh, I love

37:06

a miniature. Yeah.

37:09

And I think the last time I

37:11

went there, the person working told me that

37:13

this collection took like decades to build up.

37:16

Oh. But I love that place. It's

37:18

great. They're all really, really nice. They have

37:20

all your niche brands there. All

37:22

your niche needs are meant at asphalt. Okay,

37:25

I'm going just to check out their vintage bottle collection.

37:27

Thank you for that tip off. And that rounds out

37:29

the news. I just wanted to share

37:31

the retail happenings. Let's go

37:33

raise some one. Hey

37:44

there, it's Michelle Norris. I'm host of a podcast called Your Mama's

37:46

Kitchen. When I travel,

37:48

I'm usually looking for a way to find

37:50

a taste of home when I'm not at home. And one

37:53

of the things I love to do when I am at home

37:55

is entertain. And Airbnb allows me to do

37:57

that. And I was in California recently. I

38:00

rented a house that had a great kitchen. And

38:02

when we were sitting around the table, we're all

38:04

thinking, we're in someone else's house. Someone could be

38:06

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42:05

it's time to raise a wand. I

42:08

know already there's like 17 of

42:10

you screaming the name of those large perfume bottles. And

42:13

Alex and I were like googling when we got off

42:15

the mics for a second. I was like, whatever, let's

42:17

just keep recording. And then our fabulous listeners are going

42:19

to throw us in on the word that we totally

42:21

forgot. It's time to raise a wand.

42:24

I am going to play a little Oh, I'm going

42:26

to play a listener raise a wand, because this ties

42:28

back actually to what we were talking about in the

42:30

beginning of the show. I

42:32

was asking listeners for lip balms. And now

42:34

that I'm back in recovery, because I used

42:36

all these lip plumpers like a dummy, of

42:39

course I have a great listener who wanted to share some

42:41

lip balms. So let's listen in. Hi, Jess

42:43

and Jen. This is Jess from the Boston

42:46

area. I am a part

42:48

time makeup artist, but I'm a

42:50

full time kindergarten teacher and new

42:52

mom. And so I kind of

42:54

run the gamut and what I

42:56

need in a product. I want something that

42:58

is effective. I know my stuff because I'm

43:00

really into cosmetics and I'm really into makeup.

43:02

I'm an OG listener from the very beginning,

43:05

but I'm also a new mom and my

43:07

job is so thrilled. So I want something

43:09

that works and is also really emotional. So

43:13

I have two lip balms from Jen's. I'm a

43:15

little behind, I think, but I know you have

43:17

a homework where we have to give our lip

43:19

balm favorites. And I have two that are

43:22

a little bit off the beaten path, but work

43:24

so, so well. The first one

43:26

is called Lipso, L-Y-T-S-Y-L. It's

43:29

the intense protection. It

43:32

has like, I think beeswax or something in

43:34

it. It's not that waxy, but it's

43:36

bee's feeling though. It has

43:38

a little bit of a minty hint, but it's

43:41

not overwhelming. It stays on. I don't know

43:43

if this is going to last you all

43:45

day, but I feel like it passes that

43:47

one hour test. It's fabulous. I buy

43:49

like a pen pack on Amazon. I should probably

43:51

go buy one before you guys sell it out.

43:53

That one's awesome. I've been using this for years

43:56

and years, but I get it for a little

43:58

while until it came on Amazon because I... got

44:00

it when I went to the

44:02

Palm Seize in France a couple

44:05

years ago. It's O'Riage, U-R-I-A-G-E, barrier

44:07

during the Sibylips Protecting Bomb. They

44:09

do have one that is like a twist up

44:11

kind of chapstick. This one is the Bomb, the

44:13

Twi-Lik in the Squeegee Tube. This is the one

44:16

that you want. Unbelievable. I kind

44:18

of use it as a mask overnight, but

44:20

I use it during the day. I always have one

44:22

in my pockets. And I actually found one in

44:24

a jacket from last season that I'm super pumped about.

44:26

Both of these are the best of the best. And

44:28

like I said, they're not like the ones that you

44:30

see in every CDS. I

44:32

highly, highly recommend them from

44:34

a makeup artist, beauty enthusiast,

44:37

new mom, kindergarten teacher, somebody

44:39

who has really high standards.

44:41

Highly, highly recommend them. And they really

44:43

also don't break the bank, too, which

44:45

is another amazing point. Thank you guys

44:48

for putting out awesome content all the

44:50

time. Really appreciate it. Again, OG listener.

44:53

Love you guys. Okay. Listener

44:56

Jess, thank you very much for those. I

44:58

think the Barryderm Cica Lip sounds amazing,

45:01

but now I'm nervous about the lipsole

45:03

because it's an original mint flavor. And

45:06

as Alex pointed out, if that mint comes

45:08

from menthol, it would be drying. If I

45:10

asked you this, would you just say aqua-for

45:12

is the answer, Alex? Yeah, I

45:14

think aqua-for, it's not the most glamorous product,

45:16

but popular. It's been around for a long

45:19

time for a reason. All

45:21

right, fine. Listen, if you

45:23

guys out there have something you want to

45:25

raise a wand to, you could still help

45:27

me with my lips. That would be fine.

45:29

Actually, Alex, is there anything you've been looking

45:31

for lately? Hmm. That's

45:33

a good question. While she thinks on that,

45:35

I'll tell you the phone number at 646-481-8182. Or

45:40

if you've ever raised a wand for a product you're

45:42

loving, we inspired you as you were listening to us,

45:44

or maybe shop a story you love, tell me about it.

45:47

Email a voice number to info at

45:49

fatmascara.com. It's

45:51

time for you to raise one. Clearly,

45:54

you are an expert. You don't even

45:56

need Fat Mascara listeners' help to find a

45:58

product, but you brought us some. products to raise one

46:00

to I hope I did alluded to

46:02

this perfume. Yeah, I've been sitting here with beta

46:04

breath waiting to know what it is. What

46:07

perfume are you raising one to? All right,

46:09

so it's what I'm wearing to

46:11

record right now. It is Maison

46:13

d'Eto Rotano. I know that both

46:16

of you are familiar with the brands

46:18

and fans, but I have

46:20

such a soft spot in my heart for this brand because

46:22

I was an unashamed

46:25

horse girl as a kid. I had

46:27

you guys we have one in the

46:29

studio. Yeah, love horse

46:31

girls. We just didn't know them growing

46:33

up. Tell us everything. Yeah, so I

46:35

had I was subscribed to like a

46:37

kid's horse magazine. So I had a

46:39

horse posters all over my walls. I

46:41

did the like horseback riding

46:44

overnight summer camp. Yeah,

46:46

it was definitely a thing for me. I

46:48

don't unfortunately don't have the opportunity to ride

46:50

regularly now. It's kind of hard in New

46:52

York City. Yeah, but that's

46:54

why I love this fragrance is that

46:56

it immediately kind of transports me to

46:58

a stable. It has that hay smell.

47:00

It has that wonderful kind

47:02

of horse poop vibe

47:06

in a good way. Alex started

47:08

my podcast on butts and she's

47:10

ending my podcast on butts. Thank

47:12

you, Alex. I'm so sorry. No,

47:15

I know. I know what you're talking

47:18

about that grassy kind of like grassy

47:20

greenish Jasmine manure in a good way.

47:22

Yeah, exactly. So it's a

47:24

very kind of like nostalgic smell

47:26

for me and I just love it. It's

47:29

really comforting. And tell me the name of

47:31

which one? Rotano. Rotano. Okay,

47:33

I have the candle as well. The candle

47:35

is also great. It fills a room very

47:37

quickly. I hate when you light

47:39

a candle and you can't smell it unless

47:41

you're up close to it. But this one's

47:43

very room filling. So disappointing. Even if the

47:45

cold throw is fine and then you heat

47:47

it up and it's like why did I

47:49

bother? But they have a good candle. That's good.

47:52

I didn't even actually know that they made candles. Is

47:54

there any other candles you like?

47:56

Can confirm. The brand is

47:58

called Aswar Al-Apara. a

48:00

night at the opera and the candle

48:02

name is Romeo and Juliet. It is

48:06

a Jasmine candle. It's the best

48:08

Jasmine candle I've ever smelled. That's

48:11

a romantic concept as well. Yeah.

48:13

It's funny you brought that up.

48:15

I just had a night at the opera, which

48:18

is not a regular thing for me, but

48:20

I got to go. My friend got a

48:22

discounted ticket. I went to Lincoln Center. This

48:25

has not happened in hundreds of years. Okay,

48:27

fine. Dozens of years, but it happened the

48:29

night I was there. The scenery froze. You

48:32

know how you go to the Met Opera

48:34

in New York City for these huge productions?

48:37

And it was turned out, which is

48:39

normally a huge stage production. There might

48:42

be some animals involved, hundreds of dancers,

48:44

and instead they did it, I don't know,

48:47

cabaret style. There was one set because it

48:49

was frozen on that set, and all of

48:51

the 80 singers were squished into

48:53

the first five feet of the set. It

48:55

was so weird. The girl had to kill herself, but there

48:58

was no soldier there that was a dancer to take the

49:00

knife from. This is opera. You know how these are.

49:02

So she just mimed. I had

49:05

no idea what was going on. Anyway, I'm going to go

49:07

back to the opera, and if I don't, I'm going to

49:09

light this candle. I really digressed there, but who's

49:11

ever heard of that happening? It's the Met. It's supposed

49:13

to be like the top of the line best of

49:15

the world opera house. That would give me

49:17

secondhand stress to see that happening in real time.

49:20

A bunch of people walked out because they offered.

49:22

Peter Gelb comes up and he's like, okay, it's

49:25

not working if you'd like to leave. And I

49:27

was like, I can't leave. I don't want to

49:29

be that jerk who actually came for the dancers

49:31

and not the opera singers. They

49:34

put so much into it. So I stayed.

49:36

But a night at the opera is a candle.

49:39

I love that. What is there

49:41

anything else you want to raise a want

49:43

to? Yes, there's one other product. I think

49:45

it came out last month. It's the Danessa

49:47

Myricks yummy skin moisture

49:49

repair balm serum. I know

49:51

it's a mouthful, but

49:53

it's basically a hydrating primer. It

49:56

looks like when you open it.

49:59

So don't don't judge. book bias cover in

50:01

this case. When you open it, it looks

50:03

like it would make your skin really oily

50:05

because it comes in this like pot that

50:07

looks kind of like a very rich like

50:09

aquaphore balm. But when you actually put it

50:11

on, the texture and consistency is

50:13

super, super light and watery. So when

50:16

you put it on, it's very mattifying.

50:19

But it's like a soft matte. We're not

50:21

talking like extreme matte. So I actually put

50:23

this over my sunscreen as a primer. And

50:26

it's amazing. Last all day.

50:28

So you do sunscreen

50:31

this and then do you do

50:33

foundation on top? And

50:36

you're not getting pilling? No pilling

50:38

at all. What's the sunscreen use?

50:40

I feel like lately everything I layer

50:42

is turning into reverse matte balls when

50:44

I put it on. I use the

50:46

Supergoop Everyday Play sunscreen.

50:50

Okay. And then this is your in

50:52

between. Yeah. So here's my question. Her

50:54

by the way, her textures are so

50:57

good. Every product she comes out with,

50:59

you think you're like, Oh, I know all

51:01

the textures, balm, serum, whatever blush, but

51:04

they always have like a break to them

51:06

when you rub them on your skin and

51:08

are blending in. That's just like how did

51:10

she do that? Yeah, it's magical. It's kind

51:12

of magical. Even her color skin correcting color

51:15

kind of products. You're just like, is this

51:17

skincare or is this color care? Everything is

51:19

good. The lip products are good. But why

51:21

would I want something like this? Do you

51:24

find that the sunscreen isn't a nice base

51:26

for your color or it just gives

51:28

you that matte thing that you want? So I

51:31

have combination skin and

51:33

the Supergoop Unseen Sunscreen is really the

51:36

only sunscreen that works for me, like under

51:38

my makeup where it's moisturizing,

51:42

but not

51:44

too oily where like my T-zone

51:46

becomes a mess. This

51:48

I think just helps a lot

51:50

with just like keeping the excess

51:52

oil on my T-zone at bay.

51:55

And also sometimes when

51:57

I wear foundation, end

52:00

of the day, it gets like a little bit dry, if

52:02

you know what I'm talking about, where you

52:04

can kind of like you start to see the texture and

52:06

like certain areas of your face. If

52:08

you use this Danessa Myer balm, your

52:11

foundation looks like you just put it on for the entire

52:13

day. Okay, salt. That's

52:16

reason enough. I swear to

52:18

you say that thing about the texture. There's like

52:20

certain lines from certain guests at Fat Mascara that

52:22

have stuck with me over the years. And when

52:24

Emily Weiss of Glossier fame was on, she was

52:27

talking about how at the end of the day,

52:29

she would look in the mirror and she would

52:31

feel like a Picasso in that puzzle pieces to

52:33

her face, which I totally knew what she was

52:35

talking about. Like the areas where you move a

52:37

lot, like the foundation sort of cracks open. Yeah,

52:39

that's what you're talking about, right? It cracks open. And

52:42

then sometimes for me, like I get, it

52:44

looks like a little bit dry and like

52:46

textured. But this I wore it,

52:48

I was at work, I was out for like

52:50

eight, nine hours all day yesterday. And I wore

52:52

this balm yesterday. When I came home, I immediately

52:54

went to the mirror, I like looked at my

52:56

skin up close and I was like, looks great.

52:59

May I ask so we can like get the

53:01

full raise the wand experience from product to product,

53:03

what foundation you put on top of the Danessa

53:05

Merix? Use

53:07

the mega forever HD skin

53:09

liquid foundation. The new version

53:12

of it that just came out the Hydra freshy

53:14

one or not original, the original

53:16

one. It's a classic. It's a great foundation.

53:18

I used to use that before I switched this

53:20

cosmetics one I've been using. Okay, so that

53:23

three layer combo on somebody with combination skin,

53:25

you get like eight hours out of your

53:27

face. Yes. I

53:30

need to go buy all these things. E

53:32

immediately because your skin looks amazing. And I

53:34

feel like people with combination skin, it's

53:36

even tougher because the products that do what it

53:38

needs to do for maybe dry cheeks. Don't

53:41

do what needs to be done for the T zone.

53:43

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, I love

53:45

this. I don't even want to raise my wand now.

53:47

No, please do. I want to

53:49

hear yours. Yours

53:51

are too good. I will because it's fragrance and

53:54

I know you love fragrance. Yeah. So there's this

53:56

British company that I've become obsessed with called

53:58

Fern with 2S. because

54:01

I really like their whole concept. First of

54:03

all, they were the first perfume company not

54:05

to do plastic packaging, so the whole thing

54:07

comes in glass or paper, but

54:09

what they do is once you're in

54:11

their club, they send out each season

54:14

a full-size fragrance sealed, but then also

54:16

a sample kit with the fragrance so

54:19

that you can test it, sample it, and

54:21

only if you like it do you break

54:23

the seal on their perfume and keep it.

54:25

And you might think like other brands do

54:27

that, well the other thing they do is

54:29

it's all natural. I keep

54:31

looking for like non synthetic ingredient

54:33

perfumes, not because I'm worried

54:36

about synthetic ingredients, in fact I think they make

54:38

perfumes a million times better, but I want to

54:40

see who's playing in the natural world and like

54:42

actually pushing perfume or refourad not just mixing

54:45

stuff in their bathroom sink. And

54:47

so the fragrance that

54:49

came out for spring 2024

54:51

is rhubarb. Do you like a rhubarb

54:54

scent? You know I'm not super

54:56

familiar with rhubarb fragrances, so

54:59

I can't say. It's funny because it's

55:01

also like, is it a fruit

55:03

or a vegetable? It's a vegetable I think. It's also

55:05

something that like it doesn't smell like

55:07

it smells very green and not like much when

55:09

you smell it when it's fresh, but when you

55:11

bake it in like a rhubarb pie or the

55:13

way that most people experience rhubarb, it has this

55:15

tart plum very

55:18

almost citrus like but still with the

55:20

vegetal celery thing happening. So it's

55:23

a fruity but I would say, oh

55:25

is it a fruity vegetable fragrance? Oh

55:28

did I just coin that? You

55:30

know how there's fruity florals which we're all familiar

55:32

with? Yeah, obviously. We need

55:34

fruity vegetables or fruity herbals, you

55:37

know? To a

55:39

more sophisticated place and I think rhubarb is

55:42

the perfect example of that and they did

55:44

a really good job with it in this

55:46

scent. It's so delightful. It smells like early

55:48

spring, like March spring when it's 30

55:50

degrees out and you're like, is it spring? But

55:53

I smell something in the air that tells me it's spring

55:55

even though I'm freezing, like it's a little bracing. You know

55:57

what I mean? Can you order samples

56:00

from them or do you have to be part of

56:02

the club to receive a

56:04

little travel size? Excellent

56:07

question and everybody's going to hate me because they're going to

56:09

go to the website and I just noticed when you're on

56:11

there right now there's a waiting

56:13

list for the being

56:15

part of being sent the things. I

56:17

think that probably because so many people want to

56:20

be part of the club if

56:22

they're smart do you hear this fern they're going

56:24

to start selling sampler packs but I

56:26

also know part of the business model is that

56:28

it's all naturals and as we know that would

56:31

be really hard to stay consistent from year

56:33

to year based on what the crop looks

56:35

like that year. I always think about this

56:37

with naturals because this is the thing when

56:39

Glossier U changed and we all know it

56:42

did when they went international people notice the

56:44

difference even if they do everything they need

56:46

to to make sure the ingredients are the

56:48

same with synthetic molecules and just adjusting preservatives

56:50

that need to be adjusted for going to a

56:52

new market you could still smell a difference

56:55

think about naturals oh well this spring

56:57

the roses it was really wet so the roses

56:59

weren't as strong or whatever it is that

57:02

doesn't make guesses yeah my guess is

57:04

that they can't yet do that

57:07

so I'm going to raise a one to it anyway

57:09

because I like that it's opening up these questions for

57:11

other business models and other people to sort

57:13

of make fragrance and

57:15

perfume memory more sustainable which is

57:18

a personal in truth of mine

57:21

but vroobar girl you got to get into

57:23

it there's one I'll send you from Hermes

57:26

does one and then oh wait hold on I'm gonna

57:28

go get it okay at the

57:30

risk of maybe being incorrect I pulled

57:32

out very quickly to rhubarb oh it

57:34

is rhubarb I knew it okay so

57:37

this is Hermes ode rhubarb at carlotte

57:39

your french is better than mine oh

57:42

my god it's so good it's juicy but

57:44

so creamy and vanilla and then I think

57:47

that this fragrance it's called flashback from

57:49

olfactive studio do you

57:51

know this perfume now okay I'm gonna

57:54

write these down okay I

57:56

think this is a rhubarb scent it's

57:58

like a bracing fruit it's like a greenish.

58:00

I have to use color terms and

58:02

I'm probably annoying everybody and they've zoned out and they know

58:04

it's the end of Raisin Wand and they're like Jen's

58:06

getting crazy time to get off the mic.

58:09

But both of those to me are

58:11

delicious rhubarb scents and the one from

58:13

Fern is a more natural version of

58:15

those. So take notes if anybody

58:17

listening wants to get on the fruity vegetable trend

58:19

that we just coined here. Me and

58:21

Alex on that mascara, Sothe526. Alright,

58:25

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58:27

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58:29

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58:31

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