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Steven Jackson is the

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He's picked a fight with me and I'll

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I want to talk about Stephen

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Jackson, the former

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NBA player, NBA champion,

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now the co-host, one of the co-hosts

2:11

of a successful podcast, All the Smoke,

2:14

where he and Matt Barnes sit around

2:16

high and talk to other NBA players

2:18

and other people. It's

2:21

a show that's meant for today's modern

2:23

prison get-high culture.

2:26

I used to have

2:28

Stephen Jackson on, speak for yourself, when I was

2:31

at FS1. We actually got

2:33

along and we were rather friendly. Steve's

2:36

from a different world than me. Steve's

2:39

a member of a gang. Steve's

2:44

a pro athlete that likes

2:46

to get high. Obviously,

2:49

he's part of the BLM movement, the

2:51

George Floyd death overdose

2:53

made Steve a

2:56

bit of a national figure

2:58

and he sees himself as a spokesman.

3:01

Again, I have a long, complicated,

3:05

mixed relationship,

3:08

friendship. Now I would think

3:11

we'd have to be called on

3:13

opposite sides of the spectrum. Steve doesn't like

3:15

me. I could

3:17

care less about Steve, but I

3:19

will talk about it today. I

3:22

want to start and give you the background. It

3:24

started with Steve going

3:27

after Gayle King because

3:30

Gayle King supported,

3:32

or said

3:34

she supported, Caitlin Clark

3:37

and wanted Iowa to win. She

3:39

was rooting for Iowa over South

3:41

Carolina. I want to play you

3:43

first, Gayle King, interviewing

3:46

Don Staley, where she

3:48

makes a brief comment about

3:51

the whole country rooting

3:53

for Caitlin Clark. This

3:55

triggered Steven Jackson. Let's play

3:58

the clip. you

4:00

guys so plain, so happy. The

4:02

game was such a good game, it was so

4:04

close at times, and in the end

4:06

you guys pulled it out. But

4:08

was there ever a point during the game when

4:10

you were worried? Because I got worried, we were

4:12

all cheering for Iowa, of course, and Cape McArthur,

4:15

but there's so many people you've got their heads.

4:17

Was there ever a point where you were worried

4:19

during the game? So

4:24

this is Gayle King speaking off

4:27

the cuff in

4:29

an interview with Don Staley, where

4:31

she's basically trying to both sides

4:33

the issue. Hey, Caitlin Clark

4:35

was a story, we were all rooting

4:37

for Caitlin, but

4:39

you had our heart. That's

4:43

what she said. She's

4:45

clearly both siding the

4:47

issue. We're

4:50

rooting for Caitlin Clark, it's a fun story,

4:52

but you're in our heart. So

4:55

I wanna frame up Stephen Jackson in

4:59

this regard, and what

5:01

goes on in, particularly in the

5:03

black community, media space,

5:07

punditry space, or whatever. Steve

5:09

is a correctional officer. That's

5:13

the theme of today's show.

5:16

Steve is a correctional officer,

5:18

a CO. He's

5:20

there to correct the

5:23

thinking of black people who

5:26

might think the wrong thing, or

5:28

who don't want to align

5:30

themselves purely based on race.

5:35

And I use the word

5:37

correctional officer intentionally because

5:40

correctional officers work in

5:42

jails and prisons. And

5:44

inside of jails and prisons,

5:48

all the alliances among

5:50

the inmates are based on race.

5:53

Black dudes line

5:56

up with black dudes, Mexicans line up with Mexicans,

5:58

white guys line up with whites. with white

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guys, Asians, if they happen to

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be in there, they're kind of on their

6:04

own, but maybe they'll choose a

6:07

team, who knows. But

6:09

as a correctional officer, Stephen

6:13

Jackson's job, it's really what

6:15

they've done because when

6:17

slavery ended, there was no use for

6:20

an overseer anymore. And

6:23

so what they did was name

6:25

people correctional officers. You

6:27

run out and correct black people

6:30

who think or say the wrong

6:32

thing. You

6:34

keep them locked up in this

6:36

little prison that we have

6:38

for them, where their thoughts can exist,

6:41

and they can run free within this limited

6:43

space as black people. And

6:45

Steve, it's your job as a correctional officer.

6:47

And there's a lot of correctional officers. He's

6:49

not the only CEO running

6:52

around the yard. Even

6:54

someone like Matt Barnes, who I'm

6:56

not sure, maybe is 20% black. I'm

6:59

not sure what he is. But

7:01

he's a correctional officer, too. And

7:04

so it's their job to keep black people

7:06

trapped in a mental prison and

7:10

give black people that

7:12

prison mentality and prison

7:15

worldview. You make all of

7:17

your alliances based on race. And

7:20

so that little brief comment by Gayle

7:22

King, someone

7:25

tapped on Steve

7:27

Jackson's desk and said, hey, Mr.

7:29

Correctional Officer, there's a Negro that's

7:31

gotten out of line. Go

7:34

over there and correct them. And so I want

7:37

to play Stephen Jackson

7:39

performing his correctional duties

7:42

on Gayle King. This is SOT number two.

7:44

Play that. So

7:47

Gayle King's supposed to be somebody

7:49

that's big in the journalism space, right? And

7:51

I don't consider her black media. Y'all

7:54

give her all these passes because she's an Oprah

7:56

friend. I'm

7:58

the poo-poo here. I don't do nothing

8:00

for nobody, but you cannot demean

8:02

Dawn Staley like that. You're

8:06

talking to her about winning the championship, about

8:08

going undefeated, and you have the nerve to

8:10

get on there and say, well, we was

8:12

rooting for Kaitlyn Clark and

8:14

you broke everybody hard. Who was we? Who

8:17

was we? All

8:20

the black people I know was rooting for Dawn Staley. We

8:23

all fans of Kaitlyn Clark, but the way you put

8:25

it, that shit was trash. Yeah. And

8:28

it's an, and I'm glad, I'm glad it's a new

8:31

day in the media space. You know

8:33

what I'm saying? Because you, you said you

8:35

so say you so intelligent, you don't even

8:37

say stuff like that to somebody on the

8:39

interview. You just demeaned her and

8:42

made it about Kaitlyn Clark. That's trash.

8:44

Super trash. So

8:48

I want to go back because maybe

8:50

I'm mistaken here and Stephen

8:52

Jackson and I heard two different things and

8:55

I'm willing to, maybe he's right. So

8:58

I want to play the clip again. What I heard

9:00

is you had our hearts. He heard

9:02

you broke our hearts. Maybe I'm

9:04

wrong. Let's start with the Gail

9:06

King or let's go circle back

9:08

to the Gail King supporting Kaitlyn

9:10

Clark. Let me see who's right

9:12

and who's wrong here. Play the clip. Happy for

9:14

you guys. So happy. The

9:16

game was such a good game. It

9:18

was so close at times. And

9:21

in the end, you guys pulled it out. Was

9:24

there ever a point during the game when you

9:26

were worried? Because I got where we were all

9:28

cheering for I would push and take my part,

9:30

but for so many people, you've got their hearts.

9:32

Was there ever a point where you were worried

9:34

during the game? And

9:38

so what I hear was, and for

9:40

so many people, you

9:42

got their heart. So

9:47

I want my team via

9:49

text in my ear, uh,

9:52

sitting in front of me. Who's hearing

9:54

this right? Me or Steven

9:57

Jackson. And

9:59

play it again. so we can all play

10:03

it again. I think for you guys, so great.

10:05

I'm so happy. The game was such

10:07

a good game. It was so close at times.

10:10

And in the end, you guys pulled it out. Was

10:13

there ever a point during the game when you

10:15

were worried? Because I got worried. We were all

10:17

cheering for Iowa, of course, and Take My Park.

10:19

But there's so many people you've got their hearts.

10:22

Was there ever a point where you were worried

10:24

during the game? For

10:27

so many people, you've got their hearts.

10:31

So and I want to go

10:34

over what a correctional officer is.

10:38

Again, because this further proves

10:40

my point. That

10:43

and I want

10:46

to be careful because I don't want

10:48

to be disrespectful. I'm sure there's some correctional

10:50

officers that work inside those jails and prisons.

10:52

Uncle Jimmy was a

10:54

sheriff, which is basically a correctional officer,

10:57

a sheriff in a town like Kansas

10:59

City, Kansas. He runs the jail. He's

11:02

a correctional officer. And I

11:04

don't mean this in any way disrespectfully.

11:08

But when you're a

11:10

little kid and

11:12

you're thinking about, man,

11:14

I want to grow up to be a

11:17

doctor, an NBA player, a

11:21

lawyer, a journalist, an

11:23

actor, what a correctional

11:25

officer is way, way down

11:28

the list. And

11:30

so the people that wind

11:32

up, correction officers and gentlemen,

11:36

ladies that are correctional officers, I'm

11:39

not trying to offend you.

11:42

But limited

11:46

people, Ivy League

11:48

graduates, Ball State graduates, Warren

11:51

Central High School graduates, for

11:53

the most part, aren't dreaming

11:56

about being correctional officers. There

11:58

is no minimum evidence. SAT

12:00

score minimum GPA that there

12:03

is none of that and

12:06

so What ends

12:08

up happening that very limited people

12:10

people that maybe just barely graduated

12:12

high school They certainly

12:15

wanted on anybody's honor roll end

12:17

up being correctional officers and

12:20

and hats off to you It's no different if

12:22

you listen to this show It's

12:24

like my support of factory workers.

12:28

I'm happy for anybody And

12:30

and will support anybody that

12:32

takes a legitimate job that

12:34

benefits the community and isn't

12:36

hurting anyone But

12:40

these aren't rocket scientists that

12:42

are correctional officers They're

12:47

limited intellectually for the most

12:49

part and so

12:51

Stephen a Stephen a Stephen

12:53

Jackson Can't

12:56

even understand what gail king

12:58

is saying And

13:02

so he puts out a video threatening

13:04

and this is if you understand anything

13:06

about a prison and

13:08

how they operate threats or

13:11

how you Organize

13:13

and discipline and limits

13:17

the freedom of inmates you

13:19

threaten them and And

13:21

so keeping my Snoop Dogg did this to

13:24

gail king A couple

13:26

years ago and gotten all

13:28

kinds of trouble Stephen Jackson same mentality

13:31

Same mentality of Snoop gang member

13:34

prison mentality prison worldview

13:38

Hey We've got an

13:40

inmate out of line That

13:43

inmate gail king isn't just picking

13:46

sides based on race Let's

13:49

go get a correctional officer Stephen Jackson

13:51

to go get that Negro in line

13:55

That's that's all we're doing here and

13:59

so Steve,

14:03

hats off to you. You got a

14:05

correction officer's job. It's a good job.

14:07

They pay you well at showtime or

14:09

whoever's financing all the smoke and whoever

14:11

has established you as

14:14

a pundit or talk show host

14:16

that we should respect. You're

14:18

there because of your limited intellectual

14:20

skills, your willingness to

14:23

be high most days, and

14:25

your willingness to spread a prison

14:27

mentality. Hats off to you. I

14:32

somewhat mean this respectfully, but

14:34

Steve's deal with Gayle King

14:36

calls me to tweet out,

14:39

not a personal attack on Steve and

14:42

Jackson, but just factually trying

14:44

to point out to people, and I did

14:46

this three days ago. This

14:48

is a prison mentality. Two

14:51

sides based on skin color, not

14:54

values. We've normalized a prison worldview

14:56

rather than a biblical worldview. It's

14:58

sad. We don't even recognize

15:01

the immorality and illogic. That's

15:05

what I tweeted out. This triggered

15:08

Steve and Jackson, and

15:10

he went back to video

15:13

to, you know, go off

15:15

on me. So let's play

15:17

that. I believe that's thought

15:19

number three. Let's play Steve

15:21

and Jackson. Name calling me

15:23

Uncle Ruckus, Jason Shitlock, all this.

15:25

Let's play the clip. I'm

15:54

not racist when the black man said, huh? And that's

15:56

not being the free people or being free minded. You've

16:00

been a sucker and you find a way

16:02

to demean people to get attention, but nobody

16:04

watch your show, bro You're not a part

16:06

of the culture and I hate I even

16:08

address I addressed you because you probably can't

16:10

even hear me because you're somewhere breathing hard

16:12

trying to get up the steps Fact we

16:14

give Kayla Clark nothing below and will continue

16:16

to I have daughters that play basketball We

16:18

support the WNBA just like we support the

16:20

NBA I have before 20 to all my

16:22

brothers and sisters out there coming up You're

16:24

gonna start seeing me where a lot of

16:26

WNBA jerseys and I will have Kayla Clark

16:28

germs on with lock idiot Love for

16:30

all who have love for all we know

16:32

how to support our people and be proud

16:34

and black Without the meaning the next race

16:36

you did you should try it. You have

16:38

a good weekend So

16:44

Steven Jackson smoking

16:46

weed high Wearing

16:49

his Colorado Dion Sanders

16:52

outfit and gear a

16:54

lot of name calling there and But

16:59

when you're limited That's

17:02

what you resort to there's a reason

17:04

why Stephen a Smith Went

17:07

to name calling and cursing and

17:09

screaming and yelling and never resorted

17:11

to any facts Stephen Stephen a

17:13

Smith limited very limited Again

17:16

out of held back in fourth grade Counselor

17:19

told him in high school laughter thought of him

17:21

going to college Went

17:23

went to Winston-Salem State when you didn't even need

17:26

a high school diploma to get into Winston-Salem State

17:29

all of these people are installed

17:31

and they're installed because they're

17:34

limited and and

17:37

they're qualified to be correctional

17:39

officers and Go

17:42

out and correct the thinking of Negroes

17:45

That's what this is Steve.

17:48

I'm not going to Sit

17:51

here and call you a bunch of names I

17:55

have clearly taken some shots.

17:57

I've called you limited you

17:59

are limited You're someone

18:02

that was paid to develop athletically.

18:05

You're someone that joined the gang and in

18:07

your 40s, you're still

18:10

very proud of being in that

18:12

gang. Hats off to you. I'm

18:14

friends with some gang members myself.

18:19

They're not out there

18:21

being supported by corporate America to

18:24

talk and be correctional officers, but

18:27

that's neither here nor there. Steve,

18:31

I'm making an argument about

18:35

what's been done to the mentality of

18:37

black people and how people like you

18:39

are used to control

18:41

the mentality of black people and

18:44

to spread a

18:46

prison mentality among black people.

18:50

It's your job to

18:52

house and control the thoughts of

18:54

Negroes. I sit over here

18:56

and say to people on this

18:59

show and

19:01

everywhere I go, hey, there's another way to think.

19:06

There's something called a

19:08

biblical worldview and it will serve you

19:10

better than the mentality that

19:15

the correctional officers, AKA the overseers,

19:17

are prescribing for you. The,

19:20

hey, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The,

19:24

hey, I'm supporting people based on

19:26

their skin color, it

19:29

doesn't work. It works inside of a

19:31

prison where

19:33

men are sexually fluid and men

19:35

get violated and they have no

19:38

real freedom. It works inside of

19:40

a prison. But

19:42

if you're outside of a prison or

19:45

inside of a prison, trust me, a

19:47

biblical worldview will serve you better

19:52

and will actually lead you

19:54

to a positive place. Rather

19:58

than adopting a prison, worldview

20:00

which will lead you to prison and

20:02

will cost you your freedom. That's

20:06

my argument. I

20:09

can have this argument without calling you

20:11

a bunch of names, be

20:13

more than happy, and I'm

20:15

not even sure, honestly, if

20:17

you can follow what I'm saying,

20:21

but I'm more than willing to have this

20:23

discussion with you. And

20:26

that's what I'm trying to do here

20:29

today. Instead of attacking

20:31

you viciously and just meeting you with

20:33

all the names, and trust me, I

20:35

call names and come up with nicknames,

20:37

I'm calling you a correctional officer, I

20:39

do all of that stuff with the

20:41

best of them. I'm very capable of

20:43

playing the dozens. I'm

20:46

not afraid to play the dozens. I

20:48

really don't care about the bloods. I

20:51

don't care about you shooting up strip

20:53

clubs. I don't care that

20:55

you have a gang members mentality. Gangs

20:58

are mostly for punks. And

21:04

do you know how, I'm not talking about

21:06

you specifically, but let's just talk in general.

21:09

To be in your forties and

21:12

repping a gang and then

21:14

putting out videos like the next one where

21:17

you're shouting out old block. That's

21:23

borderline retarded behavior. And

21:27

we're supposed to take you seriously. The

21:31

man just went off

21:33

on Gayle King saying

21:36

she was wrong and all black

21:38

people, everybody black I knew was

21:40

supporting Caitlin Clark or was supporting

21:43

Don Staley. And

21:46

I don't really consider her part of the black media.

21:49

And then you circle back around and say I wasn't trying

21:51

to make this racial. I

21:53

wasn't saying that you can't support whoever you

21:55

want to support or support people on racial

21:58

racism. Make up your mind. Can

22:00

you even follow what comes out of your

22:02

own mouth, let alone what comes out of

22:04

Gayle King's mouth? 40

22:10

year olds that are

22:12

intellectually limited, they

22:15

check in with O-Block and

22:18

take videos of it and brag

22:20

about it because they're correctional officers

22:22

and they're trying to promote a

22:25

prison mentality. Steve, you don't

22:27

have to do it. I know you flirted with the

22:29

Muslims in the nation of Islam. I

22:31

know you flirt with Christianity. But

22:35

what you're addicted to is a

22:37

prison mentality and you want

22:39

other people to have a prison mentality.

22:44

And all that comes along with

22:46

a prison mentality, the sexual

22:48

fluidity, the

22:51

willingness to bend over and take it

22:53

up the rear to be popular, to

22:55

get a rap deal, to

22:58

be in good with Diddy and Birdman

23:00

and all of that. That's

23:04

what comes along with the prison mentality

23:06

that you're promoting. Own

23:09

it, cop to it, no problem.

23:11

But don't try to act as

23:13

if you're trying to spread something positive

23:16

and Jason Whitlock is trying to

23:18

spread something negative. I want

23:20

to play the clip of Steven Jackson

23:22

checking in with O-Block. Yeah,

23:27

a lot of y'all pull up taking

23:29

pictures. What we at? Tell

23:31

her how they coming. We in the middle of it. I

23:35

pull up and take pictures and y'all not allowed to. And

23:39

one thing about it, if you're a real one, you

23:42

don't mind checking in. Checking in, what'd you

23:44

say? I check in with the

23:46

real one. That's why I'm in the middle of

23:48

O-Block. You see the who? What you at?

23:51

I'm in the middle of O-Block. Aaaah. Yeah.

23:54

F*** me. Listen man. That's a

23:56

good old bitch. What a, what a people's bitch. What a

23:58

real... No rap

24:00

cap. No rap cap.

24:04

No rap cap. S***

24:06

you can't pay for. F***

24:08

me. We really out

24:10

here. O Block. Chi Chi. Rest

24:13

of peace King's on. We

24:15

in the middle of O Block. Ain't we?

24:18

We playing man. I'm

24:21

everywhere you never there. Okay. That's

24:29

40 year old something man

24:32

checking in with teenagers who shoot and

24:34

kill each other in Chicago and

24:37

bragging about him. He's

24:39

not there telling him hey

24:41

look man half y'all gonna

24:43

be dead or in jail very

24:45

shortly. Half of y'all

24:48

gonna be getting violated in prison very

24:50

shortly. Y'all should cut this

24:52

out. I've lived long enough to know there's a

24:55

better way. That's not what he's doing. He's

24:58

a correctional officer. He's

25:00

trying to correct the thinking or

25:03

promote the thinking of

25:05

a prison mentality. Hats

25:09

off to him. And

25:11

if you're down with that hats off to you

25:13

as well. I'm not. I'm

25:16

not. This prison mentality that

25:19

has seeped everywhere.

25:21

I'm looking at Stephanie Mills

25:24

an R&B singer. She's

25:27

upset with Gayle King. This

25:30

prison mentality that we've all

25:32

adopted. This prison worldview that

25:35

we've all adopted. Everybody

25:38

aligned based on skin color. This

25:41

is Stephanie Mills where she tweeted out.

25:43

The media in this country shapes our

25:45

opinions about people rather we

25:47

recognize it or not. It happens.

25:50

For instance we heard many

25:52

headlines stories and images of Caitlin Clark. On

25:54

the other hand how many stories and headlines

25:56

do we see or hear about Don Steny

25:58

prior to her victory? and even after,

26:01

though the ability to choose who

26:03

to cheer for is certainly subjective.

26:06

As a black woman, I just find

26:08

it ironic that a black woman, Don

26:10

Stanley, made history. Yet another black woman,

26:12

Gail King, would publicly admit that she

26:14

was rooting for the opposing team. When

26:16

do we stand in solidarity is the

26:18

fault that comes to my mind. What

26:21

are your thoughts? Power. Hashtag

26:24

Don Stanley. Kaitlin Clark,

26:26

Gail King, Stephen Jackson. I

26:33

want to be clear here. Trust

26:35

me, Gail King has

26:38

a lot of this prison mentality as well, and

26:41

she just said some things on camera

26:43

just trying to have a conversation with

26:45

Don Stanley. But Gail

26:47

King is rooting for Don Stanley as

26:49

well. But this

26:52

promotion of, as

26:54

a black person, you're required to

26:56

root for Don Stanley. This

26:59

is preposterous. As

27:03

a black person, as an image

27:06

bearer of God, as

27:08

someone who believes in Jesus Christ as

27:10

Lord and Savior, we

27:13

should be making our alliances based

27:16

on shared values. Are

27:20

your values in alignment with Don

27:23

Stanley, or is your skin color

27:25

allegedly in alignment with Don Stanley?

27:27

Now you can make up some

27:29

lie like Stephen Jackson did. I

27:32

wore number 24 as a rookie because

27:34

Don Stanley did. That's

27:37

a lie, and

27:40

everybody knows it, but let

27:42

me stay on point. Do

27:45

your values align with Don Stanley?

27:47

Don Stanley, at the final

27:49

four stage, said

27:52

she supports men competing

27:55

against girls. She supports

27:57

transgenderism. Are

28:01

those your values? Can

28:03

you think it's abhorrent to

28:06

support the transgender movement, particularly

28:09

in sports? Could

28:11

that be an issue for you in terms of

28:13

who you're rooting for? Because

28:16

you don't share those values and you don't

28:18

want to see someone empowered

28:20

in women's sports who

28:23

wants men to be able to

28:25

compete against women. Steve,

28:28

are you capable of thinking on this

28:30

level, asking that question

28:32

to yourself? Let

28:35

me give you another one. This doesn't

28:37

apply to Steve because he thinks that

28:39

way, but Don Stanley has done several

28:42

things that paint her as racist.

28:46

At the top of that list would

28:48

be the way she smeared BYU

28:50

students over nothing,

28:54

over something that was proof false and

28:57

over nothing. And cancel the

28:59

game at BYU because some

29:02

Duke volleyball player said someone

29:04

shouted a slur

29:06

at her at a volleyball match.

29:12

That was racist on Don

29:14

Stanley's part. And some

29:16

people don't like racism no matter which

29:19

direction it flows. And so maybe they

29:21

have a problem with Don Stanley on

29:23

that regard. Or

29:26

maybe when Don Stanley smeared

29:29

the Iowa basketball coach who

29:31

said rebounding against South Carolina

29:33

is like a bar fight.

29:36

And Don Stanley said, oh, that's racist. And

29:41

somehow lumped it in with someone

29:43

calling her team monkeys and thugs.

29:46

She trashed the Iowa basketball

29:48

coach for no reason. And

29:51

people saw it in real time. I was like,

29:53

man, I don't like Don Stanley. I'm not rooting

29:55

for her. Do

29:59

your values aligned with Don

30:01

Stanley or does

30:06

it feel like maybe Caitlin Clark

30:08

has done nothing at

30:10

this point that violates

30:12

your values. I don't know what

30:14

Caitlin Clark stands for. All I

30:16

know is she's an exciting basketball

30:18

player. She knocks down

30:20

three pointers like Steph Curry and I've

30:22

never seen a woman do that. And

30:26

so she hasn't

30:29

violated any of my

30:31

values and

30:33

she plays basketball in a way

30:35

that's very unique and let's

30:39

throw it in there and just be honest. It's

30:42

a black sport and this little

30:44

white girl is dominating. It's like

30:46

the underdog or something

30:49

unexpected the same reason a lot

30:51

of us fell in love

30:53

with Tiger Woods in golf.

30:56

We hadn't seen anybody that looked like

30:58

him dominate golf. We haven't seen anybody

31:01

that looks like her dominate

31:03

basketball to the degree that she

31:05

was. Caitlin

31:10

Clark best I

31:12

know she's heterosexual

31:15

has some boyfriend. She

31:18

went to a Catholic school comes

31:20

across like she believes in Jesus Christ.

31:24

I got to give Don Stanley credit and I

31:26

did. She starts talking about

31:28

Jesus. My ears and eyes perk up and

31:30

I go, Oh, maybe we

31:32

have that in common. But when

31:34

you toss in the transgenderism, I'm

31:36

like, what God is Don

31:39

Stanley talking about? And

31:42

her little open hostility towards

31:45

white people and be why you students

31:47

and the racism she displayed that what

31:49

God is she talking about? But

31:55

we should be choosing alliances

31:58

based on value. Not.

32:02

On skin color. Skin

32:05

color thing doesn't work. Look.

32:08

At White people. Do.

32:11

Why people not hate Donald Trump? To.

32:14

Why people not hate Hillary Clinton's?

32:17

see their point. They're

32:19

not in a prison. They don't have

32:21

Steven Jackson running around as a correctional

32:23

officer. find a keep them in slave

32:26

to only one way of looking at

32:28

the world. They're

32:31

free. And

32:34

some of us would like to be free and

32:36

we have to think whatever we want without habit

32:38

a correctional officer, some a bath, A

32:42

men's if. You're. Not allowed

32:44

to think that. You

32:47

must conform to a prison

32:49

mentality. You.

32:51

Must support transgender as we

32:53

must support everything the Lgbtq

32:56

got off. If three gay,

32:58

lesbian or start some Black

33:00

Lives Matter movement and stuff

33:02

their pockets would millions of

33:04

dollars You must support them.

33:08

If George Floyd overdoses on fat

33:11

know you must believe the one

33:13

police officer killed him. That

33:17

our I want to be free to

33:19

say whatever I want to think, to

33:21

follow the truth wherever it leads me.

33:24

You want me in prison Because

33:26

You're in prison. Your.

33:29

Correctional Officers You gotta

33:31

go work inside of

33:33

a prison everyday. Any

33:37

one everybody blessed in that prison with

33:39

you. I. Don't want to

33:41

be in a prison. Other. People

33:43

don't want to be steam. Let.

33:46

Us: think, whatever the as we want to think.

33:50

I'm. You know, if you

33:52

want to go along with the

33:54

sexual fluidity. And. all

33:56

that goes along with prison have that

33:58

a bro Take

34:01

as many inches as you want. I

34:04

don't want any of it. That's

34:09

my fire starter for today. Delano

34:13

and Shemeika, I'm

34:16

going to get their takes on

34:18

this as well. Before

34:22

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34:27

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right, Shemeika Michelle. Next.

35:54

My annual men's summit in Nashville,

35:56

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35:58

an opportunity to fellowship with other people? believers

36:00

to come together across the identity lines

36:02

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36:05

Join me, country music star

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36:11

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going to listen to great music,

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eat fantastic barbecue, and hear inspiring

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speeches from myself, Glenn Beck,

36:21

North Carolina Lieutenant Governor Mark

36:23

Robinson, Pastor E.W. Jackson and

36:25

many more. Let's quit

36:28

letting the satanic left sift

36:30

us like wheat. Let's come

36:32

together as men and talk about the

36:34

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36:36

the unity and shared values that made

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Visit fearlessarmyrollcall.com to secure

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your spot. Hello

36:51

Fearless Army, I'm Jason Whitlock, your

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leader. I'm going

36:55

to spend 2024 discussing

36:57

growth and sacrifice. Hard

37:00

times are here, harder times are

37:02

coming. What has stopped

37:05

American growth and caused a regression

37:07

in fundamental freedoms and values? A

37:10

lack of sacrifice. Our

37:12

ancestors sacrificed for our benefit. We

37:14

have not sacrificed to protect the

37:17

progress they died for. No

37:19

sacrifice, no freedom. What

37:23

impedes man's willingness to sacrifice? His

37:26

ignorance, his perversion, his pride,

37:28

his ingratitude, and his cowardice,

37:32

his rejection of God. The

37:35

Bible is a story about the power

37:37

and the necessity of sacrifice. Sacrifice

37:40

is the sun, rain, and fertilizer

37:42

of growth. Growth

37:45

is our life purpose. Throw

37:47

in the knowledge, wisdom, fear, obedience, and

37:49

reverence to the most high. Growth

37:53

requires sacrifice will be

37:55

our theme for Roll Call 2.0 this

37:59

summer. June 1 right

38:01

back here in Nashville. We're

38:03

excited to welcome you. Let

38:05

me spend a minute

38:08

explaining what G-R-O-W-T-H actually

38:11

stands for, for us in the fearless

38:13

army. The G is

38:15

for game plan. In order to

38:17

properly grow, it's essential we work from

38:19

the strategic game plan spelled out in

38:22

the Bible. The R, responsibility.

38:24

As we grow as men, we

38:27

understand and accept our responsibilities to

38:29

God, family, and teammates.

38:32

Oh, ownership. We embrace

38:34

ownership of our destiny. Outsiders

38:37

do not determine our fate.

38:40

The W, wisdom. We

38:42

honor, value, and share the wisdom

38:44

imparted to us by elders, coaches,

38:46

and leaders. The T,

38:48

trust. We must be

38:50

worthy of trust. The reliability of

38:53

a man's word defines him far

38:55

more than popularity and material possession.

38:58

The H, humility. The

39:01

reward for humility and fear of the

39:04

Lord is riches and honor and life.

39:06

A string from Proverbs 22 and four. Come

39:10

join us in Nashville as we

39:12

talk about growth and

39:15

sacrifice and how without sacrifice, there

39:17

will be no growth. Roll

39:20

call 2.0 right here in Nashville, Saturday,

39:22

June 1. Welcome

39:38

back. Shemeika, welcome

39:40

back to the show. I'm

39:43

sitting here shocked how

39:46

this Gayle King thing even became

39:48

a controversy. But

39:50

it has to all the from Stephanie Mills

39:53

to Stephen Jackson.

39:56

This woman was clearly trying to

39:58

cover. both sides.

40:00

Hey, we were rooting for Caitlin Clark,

40:02

but you had our hearts and

40:05

somehow this is a betrayal

40:07

of black people. Uh, what

40:10

are you saying here? What, what is this about? Jason,

40:14

I'm sick and I'm sorry.

40:16

I know you don't like that word, but

40:18

Justin told me I get one a week. So

40:20

I'm coming out the gate on a Monday. I

40:24

am so tired of this

40:27

thing that black people have, I feel

40:29

like you have to stand with someone

40:31

just on skin color. When

40:33

we went into the championship game, uh,

40:36

you know, the girls went into the

40:38

championship game. I really did not have

40:40

a favorite. I didn't care if Iowa

40:43

won or South Carolina. I'm not a

40:45

basketball fan and I'm certainly, you know,

40:47

I'm certainly not a girls basketball fan.

40:50

Let me say that. I

40:52

really didn't care, but when Don

40:54

Staley could not answer the question

40:57

to agree with me and how I feel

41:00

about men being in women's sports,

41:03

I decided right then I'm going for

41:05

Iowa and people were so upset because

41:08

they felt

41:10

like because she was black, regardless

41:12

of her belief, I should side

41:14

with her because I'm black and

41:16

that's just stupid to me. I

41:19

don't believe that X, Y can

41:21

become XX. I don't believe that

41:23

X X can, can morph into

41:25

X, Y. I

41:27

believe men should stay out of

41:30

women's sports. And so anybody that

41:32

says something differently, I'm against, I

41:34

would go against my mother who

41:36

birthed me if she did not

41:38

stand on the side of my

41:42

values. And so I feel

41:45

like we fall for anything because we

41:47

don't stand for anything. The

41:49

idea that I got a line up with

41:51

somebody because of the color of their skin

41:53

is stupidity to me.

41:56

And I hate that we as black people think that

41:58

that's the way it's supposed to

42:00

be. I've had so many people

42:03

just this weekend saying, you know,

42:06

well, the Asians and the Hispanics and,

42:08

you know, they do it, bringing

42:11

in economics. And I'm talking about

42:13

sporting events. I watched Steve Kim

42:15

and Mario Lopez say that Devin

42:18

was going to win the fight.

42:20

They didn't say he was going

42:22

to win because he was black.

42:24

And I didn't see Mario Lopez

42:27

saying, no, you got to go

42:29

for the Hispanic. I

42:32

bet on the black

42:34

man who lost because of

42:36

his record and because sports,

42:38

these boxing commentators and my

42:40

friend who is a boxer

42:42

said Devin was the best

42:45

person to go with. It wasn't because

42:47

he was black though. It was, he

42:49

had a good record. And so I'm

42:52

so tired of black people

42:54

just feeling like we have

42:57

to have group think based

42:59

on skin color. It's dumb.

43:02

What's even, what's dangerous about

43:04

it, not just dumb is

43:07

that leftist

43:11

Democrats have figured

43:13

out, like if

43:15

you package something black, black

43:18

people will embrace it and support it

43:21

no matter whatever it is. So

43:24

if you package transgenderism

43:27

and the alphabet mafia and gay and

43:29

all that, if you package it black,

43:32

we'll support it. There's

43:34

nothing black that we

43:37

won't support this. Oh, OJ Simpson

43:39

may have murdered two people, but

43:41

he's black. We'll support it. And

43:46

it's just that simple. And so

43:48

they have clearly draped

43:50

everything covered everything in black packaging.

43:52

Oh my God. Let's make a

43:55

music that calls for black people

43:57

killing and shooting each other and

43:59

disrespect. in their women, but let's

44:01

call it black culture and black

44:03

people will never figure out. No, that's

44:06

actually satanic culture. That's actually

44:08

KKK culture you're supporting. But

44:10

since we labeled it black,

44:13

you'll call it the greatest thing in the world. And

44:16

so I

44:18

mean, one day and maybe we're

44:20

not that far off, they're going

44:23

to do a TV show and maybe they'll

44:25

do it with this good times commercial or

44:27

good times cartoon on Netflix. And

44:29

they'll say, you know what, the blackest thing you

44:31

can do is poop on a dinner

44:33

plate and eat it. We'll

44:36

sit down and start everybody black sit

44:38

around. Yep. I meet my own doodoo

44:40

and boy, is it great. It's

44:43

black culture. Yeah,

44:46

you're absolutely right. Because that's

44:48

how crazy we are. And

44:50

we like a simple shallow

44:52

virtue signaling. Signaling. That's why

44:55

so many people got behind

44:57

the whole ancient mama

44:59

thing, the uncle being thing, the

45:01

Juneteenth, the Harriet Tubman on the

45:03

$20 bill. You worried about Harriet

45:06

Tubman on the $20 bill, but

45:08

you don't have no money in

45:10

your bank account. That's silly to

45:12

me. It's dumb. It's virtue signaling.

45:15

And they give us the smallest

45:17

little things to celebrate. And we

45:19

don't even realize where, you know,

45:21

you want to talk about group

45:23

economics, you want to talk about

45:25

doing things as a group, then

45:27

we should have never been licking

45:30

the behind of Martin Luther

45:33

King wanting integration because segregation

45:35

would have forced us to

45:37

actually build some things on

45:39

our own, because we wouldn't

45:41

have had anybody else to

45:43

lean on or depend on.

45:45

You would have had to go to school

45:47

to be a doctor because we would have

45:50

needed those in our community. You would have

45:52

had to go to school to be an

45:54

engineer because we would have needed those. We

45:56

wouldn't be sitting here pushing rappers and basketball

45:58

players as the top of the

46:01

black chain because we don't need

46:03

those. So if we

46:05

really cared about our

46:07

people and advancing

46:10

as a group, we would stop worrying

46:12

about being accepted in white spaces and

46:14

stop spending every day worrying about what

46:17

white people think. Because guess what? If

46:19

you didn't like Aunt Jemima on a

46:21

cert bottle, you would have had your

46:24

own cert. You would have had your

46:26

own rights if you didn't like Uncle

46:28

Ben. You would have had your

46:30

own stuff opposed to sitting here

46:32

whining about what white people do

46:34

every day. There is no advantage

46:37

to that. None at all. It's

46:39

a waste of time. You

46:43

just made a point about integration that

46:45

I've never thought of. And I've thought

46:47

a lot about integration and

46:50

how forced integration has

46:52

damaged black people. But

46:55

I've never thought about it the way you just

46:57

did. The only word I would disagree

46:59

with you is you said we would have built our

47:02

own. And the only thing

47:04

I would have said different is

47:07

we would have maintained our

47:09

own. Because when there

47:11

was segregation, we had those things.

47:14

My mother grew up in a neighborhood. There

47:16

was a doctor around the corner. There was

47:18

a dentist on the street. There was this,

47:20

there was that. We

47:22

would have maintained those things and

47:25

we would have required our young

47:27

people to be the successor

47:29

of those things. But when you go off

47:31

into this integration, I don't have to do

47:33

it. Because there'll be some white man that

47:36

can be my dentist. There'll be some white

47:38

man that can be my doctor. And

47:40

so, even

47:43

as men, and I'm

47:45

just thinking this through in real time

47:47

because I'd never heard your perspective and

47:49

it's profound. But there's a

47:51

lot of success. I wanna say a lot,

47:54

but there's enough successful

47:56

black men that

48:00

We would have maintained our women

48:03

if we were limited to our

48:05

women. But because we

48:08

have all these different options, we can

48:10

be passport bros and we can go

48:12

data Puerto Rican, white girl, Asian,

48:16

whatever. We're less interested

48:18

in maintaining our women

48:21

and without us trying to maintain

48:23

them, they're out running wild. And

48:25

now we don't even want them because

48:28

it's like, I

48:30

don't want to be wrestling at home and

48:32

you know everything. And so, man,

48:34

you've made a very profound point. I'm

48:36

going to circle back to my silly

48:38

point, which isn't really that silly.

48:42

And so forgive me for reducing the

48:44

conversation. You just opened up a can,

48:46

but I'm going to reduce it back

48:48

down to one that's a little more

48:50

accessible or not accessible, but

48:53

just real. And

48:55

I'm not saying yours wasn't real, but I'm

48:58

sitting here thinking about my doo-doo point, like

49:00

that they really could convince us

49:03

to eat doo-doo. And I'm going to tell you why

49:05

I believe that. Chitlins.

49:09

Just the way we eat chitlins, it's

49:13

some of the vilest, unhealthiest. It

49:16

doesn't taste good, but because it's

49:18

in the tradition of blackness, we

49:21

will stink up our entire house,

49:23

every Thanksgiving, cooking some

49:26

chitlins and eating these

49:28

chitlins that again, we know the

49:30

only time we really eat them is at Thanksgiving. And

49:34

maybe at a family

49:36

reunion, somebody cooks some chitlins or

49:38

whatever, but again, we

49:41

will eat literal poison. I

49:43

know there's some muslins out there. Yeah,

49:45

there's bacon and all that garbage we

49:47

eat, but I'm

49:50

just, if we can think

49:52

of chitlins as a delicacy, we're

49:55

not that far off from going, you know, and

49:58

maybe for a different reason. Democrats

50:00

and for Left is. It. Wouldn't

50:02

be our own poop. But. I

50:04

do think we would eat the white man's poop. Ah,

50:07

And you know it's successor Ss and call

50:09

it a delicacy and say how how how

50:11

blessed we are that the white man the

50:13

Jewish man is allowing us to eat his

50:15

poop. We'd. Be all for that. You.

50:18

Know I like to go on

50:21

record as saying had been of

50:23

pork for thirty years this year.

50:25

So yea me the system and

50:28

now my grandma's not watching this

50:30

episode because Jason just a few

50:32

weeks ago see May Chitlins and

50:35

Alice at her house but also

50:37

the he in an air conditioned

50:39

man was there to check the

50:42

system as she has some come

50:44

out right before winner and before

50:46

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50:49

embarrassed. That he had his

50:51

mail says seats of sets he

50:53

gave flew in our they're about

50:55

to bomb and like I had

50:58

to leave and I felt so

51:00

bad because here recently my grandma

51:02

still had some some chitlins as

51:04

she could bring out the freezer

51:07

and she tell my mom were

51:09

anna one eat those because sales

51:11

sync up the house and I

51:14

felt bad because she's ninety at

51:16

this point is eat what you

51:18

are. Grandma I don't have

51:20

to come over, but I

51:22

can't believe that people actually

51:25

see. This. Is us.

51:27

Hey, this is set now all

51:29

the time. My goodness, Grandma, I'm

51:31

sorry. Easy Chitlins. You, You are in

51:33

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52:57

I'm minding my own business. He

53:14

started calling me fat bastard and

53:16

I came on this show and explained to

53:18

you all he's doing that

53:21

to distract from the fact that

53:24

he's under attack for attacking

53:26

Max Kellerman. It was like I

53:29

was damn near doing the show by myself because

53:31

we were oceans apart in terms of cache. Well,

53:33

how are you oceans apart from me if you

53:35

sit right across from me five days a week

53:37

for the whole two hours? And he doesn't wanna

53:40

bother with Marcellus Wiley and so he said, there

53:42

go the real bad guy. Let's

53:44

say that's the bad guy. Let me point

53:46

a finger at Jason Whitlock. Y'all get up

53:48

off of me. Jason Whitlock

53:50

is the real bad guy. Go

53:53

attack him. He's fat bastard. Always root

53:55

for my colleagues, except for now all

53:57

of them. Not the fat

53:59

bastard. I don't root for people like that. Y'all know

54:01

the hell I'm talking about. We ain't stuttering, but I

54:03

won't mention next. I don't root for the Fat Bastard.

54:06

We came back on this show and said, I'm

54:11

Fat Bastard? Okay, we

54:14

can have this conversation. Stephen A,

54:16

I read your book. You're

54:19

a fraud. Oh snap.

54:22

That's how things played out. Stephen

54:25

A. Smith was in hot water, tried

54:28

to use me as a

54:30

distraction, and I

54:32

opened up a can on him. I'll open up an

54:34

$8 billion can of Woop-Ass to serve it to you.

54:37

And that's all I got to say about that. That's

54:40

what happened. Those

54:42

are facts. All

54:53

right, welcome back. Time

54:55

for some Professor Dean Delano joining us

54:58

from Washington, DC. Delano, let

55:00

me first start with, are

55:02

you familiar with Stephen Jackson's comments about

55:04

Gail King? Yes,

55:06

sir. You've

55:09

seen them yourself. I

55:11

can replay them for you for

55:13

context. And

55:16

then the other thing, are you

55:18

familiar with what Gail King actually

55:20

said to Don Staley? Because Stephen

55:22

Jackson, I think, has taken her

55:24

completely out of context. She

55:27

argued both sides. Gail King actually

55:29

said that, hey,

55:32

we were all rooting for Kaitlyn

55:35

Clark, but you had

55:37

our hearts or we all, you

55:40

were in our hearts or something like that.

55:42

She didn't say broke our hearts. She argued

55:44

both sides. We were rooting

55:46

for Kaitlyn Clark, but you've

55:48

got our hearts or their hearts, blah, blah, but he,

55:50

so he took her out of context and

55:53

all that. What do

55:55

you think? I'm calling Stephen Jackson

55:57

a correctional officer. He's there to

55:59

police. us as

56:02

a correction officer, make sure we all think and

56:04

say the right things as black people your thoughts.

56:07

I mean I think Stephen Jackson is being

56:10

disingenuous when he tries to say that the

56:12

issue that he was raising was not about

56:14

race but more so being

56:17

disrespectful to the person that you're talking about.

56:19

I mean in his video he said well

56:21

who's the we? He said because every black

56:23

person I know is rooting for Don Staley.

56:26

So I wish he would have just owned

56:28

that. Even when I heard Gail King speak

56:30

it was a very soft we. It didn't

56:32

sound like we, me, Oprah, Stedman and the

56:35

CBS crew. It sounded like a more general

56:37

we. Like you know the whole country

56:39

was rooting for her because people want

56:41

to see her cap off an amazing

56:43

season with a national championship. So I

56:46

think he and then honestly the other part of it I

56:48

don't know how old Stephen Jackson is. I think he's pushing

56:50

50 for him to

56:52

take to social media as if

56:54

this is an issue that requires

56:56

this much thought just seemed kind

56:58

of strange to me. So

57:03

not strange though or

57:05

not uncommon my

57:07

argument is that again Stephen

57:09

Jackson and many others they're

57:13

there to promote a

57:15

prison mentality and when you're

57:17

in prison all alignments

57:20

and alliances are based on

57:22

race and Stephen Jackson

57:24

a proud member of the bloods you

57:28

know checks in with old block in

57:30

Chicago he's there

57:32

to promote a prison

57:34

mentality and he

57:36

does that through racial idolatry

57:38

and and thinks that

57:41

like no black people are incapable

57:44

of choosing sides based

57:46

on shared values as

57:49

opposed to just oh well they're black I must

57:51

support them. And

57:53

let me add another layer sort of complicated

57:55

because I do think it the most obvious

57:57

layer is the layer of race but I

58:00

think a big part of it is also the layer of

58:02

ideology because the same people who

58:05

say, oh, you're disrespecting a black woman by

58:07

making that comment, you know, if they're talking

58:09

to Gayle King, these

58:11

same people have no problems trashing a black

58:14

woman like Candace Owens. They have

58:16

no problems trashing a black woman like Condoleezza

58:18

Rice because to them, the two

58:22

people who I named, their politics,

58:24

their conservative leanings, center right leanings,

58:27

put them outside of the camp of blackness.

58:30

And when that's the case, they

58:32

have no problems, you know, calling

58:34

them coons and sellouts and bootlickers

58:36

and caping up for white supremacy,

58:38

so on and so on and

58:40

so forth. So it's not even

58:42

to say that there's this general

58:44

disdain for criticizing, even though Don

58:46

Staley wasn't criticized for criticizing black

58:48

women, it's no, we need to

58:50

put on the cape and defend

58:53

certain black women who

58:55

stand for certain types of values. And

58:58

I think that's part of the problem that Stephen

59:00

Jackson is contributing to. All

59:03

right. So Don Staley's values are

59:06

why I have a problem with her. And

59:09

at the top of that list would be like, here's

59:11

a woman supporting

59:13

transgenderism, a woman in

59:15

sport who's getting paid millions

59:18

of dollars for coaching women, who's

59:20

only prominent because she was

59:23

a woman's basketball player. If she

59:25

had to compete against men, we

59:28

wouldn't know Don Staley's name right

59:32

before. And again, I know she can't

59:34

control what she's asked, but she can't

59:36

control how she answers the question. Before

59:39

that game, she says she's

59:41

basically for males

59:44

competing against women. For

59:48

me, there were other things even before that that

59:50

I had a problem with Don Staley about, but

59:53

that was kind of like a final straw. I

59:56

know who I'm rooting for, and it's not the

59:59

coach who wants me. men out here

1:00:01

destroying women's basketball. And

1:00:04

honestly, Jason, I don't even know. I

1:00:07

would be surprised if there was any women's

1:00:10

coach or female athlete currently

1:00:12

playing or coaching today that would

1:00:14

take a stand for common sense

1:00:16

when it comes to this issue.

1:00:19

Um, my sense is that all of them are scared

1:00:21

because what many people don't realize, and you and I

1:00:23

covered this last year, Don Staley,

1:00:26

Kim Mulkey, and the coach,

1:00:28

I want to say a Virginia tech, he's a

1:00:30

black man. We're all asked this

1:00:32

very same question by bill wrote in

1:00:35

last year during the NCW the women's

1:00:37

NCAA tournament. And they all took similarly,

1:00:40

uh, cowardly positions, you

1:00:43

know, by, well, I don't, I think it's poppy. I

1:00:45

want people to feel included and I know what it's

1:00:47

like to not feel included. So this

1:00:49

is, this is not a surprise. And

1:00:51

I think this goes right in line with

1:00:54

the, the Biden administration's changes to the title

1:00:56

line regulations, because Joe Biden has something

1:00:58

very much in common with James Brown. Then

1:01:00

when it comes to women's sports, they both

1:01:02

believe that this is a man's world. So

1:01:06

that part of it would, Don Staley is

1:01:08

sort of baked in the cake because I

1:01:10

don't think any of these women, and

1:01:12

I say this all the time, the, the,

1:01:14

the women in sports and media and business

1:01:16

who have for years said it's been a

1:01:18

struggle to be a woman and to make

1:01:20

it to the top of the mountain, these,

1:01:23

the, the feminists in American culture have finally

1:01:25

found a group of men that they can

1:01:27

submit to. So on, on, in that sense,

1:01:29

I don't know that Don Staley is that

1:01:31

much out of the mainstream with her peers,

1:01:34

because there's not

1:01:36

one of them that's going to take

1:01:38

that stand, not where they're actively playing.

1:01:41

Martina Navratilova will, because she's retired, but

1:01:43

anybody else, they're going to fold on,

1:01:45

on depression. That's

1:01:48

fascinating because I forgot

1:01:52

about. I remember

1:01:54

our conversation about it and William

1:01:56

Roden, but I forgot who all

1:01:59

was involved. and that and so he

1:02:01

asked Kim Mulkey and she danced

1:02:04

on that question too? Yes, yes,

1:02:08

yes. During last year's tournament.

1:02:10

That's fascinating. Yeah, that's, I

1:02:13

did not remember that and so let

1:02:16

me add another layer to this

1:02:18

that's different than what I had planned to

1:02:20

talk about but Angel Reese

1:02:22

today this morning tweeted

1:02:25

out protect young women in

1:02:27

sports. He just tweeted that

1:02:29

out this morning. He's got two million

1:02:32

views at this point and

1:02:34

I had to give Angel

1:02:36

Reese credit last

1:02:38

week. WNBA draft.

1:02:41

That was a marvelous success where

1:02:44

the overwhelming majority of those

1:02:46

women presented themselves as women

1:02:49

and they were as attractive as

1:02:52

tall women could possibly be that

1:02:54

are athletic like them and to

1:02:56

me that's a credit to Angel

1:02:58

Reese. She's gone

1:03:00

overboard with it but she's made

1:03:02

it cool to lean into the

1:03:04

feminine sexy side of

1:03:07

being an athlete and now to

1:03:09

hear her potentially tipping

1:03:11

her hat that she may be a

1:03:13

baby Riley Gaines like holy

1:03:16

crap Angel Reese. I

1:03:18

may be back at it again like

1:03:20

what Angel Reese is bringing a lot

1:03:22

more to the table than I anticipated.

1:03:26

So a couple things Jason I actually have a

1:03:28

column up today on the blaze on

1:03:30

on this very topic with the WNBA

1:03:32

basically echoing your sentiments right the WNBA

1:03:35

needs to be more feminine and less

1:03:37

feminist right they need to

1:03:39

let they need to have Angel Reese

1:03:41

and Caitlin Clark channel the spirit of

1:03:44

magic and bird in the mid 80s

1:03:46

like what they did for the

1:03:48

NBA and not the spirit of Hillary Clinton

1:03:50

and Gloria Steinem because the thing is if

1:03:54

they want to if they if people want

1:03:56

to see Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese make more money

1:03:58

more people need to come to Gaines. People

1:04:00

are not going to come to the games

1:04:02

or to hate the players and they are

1:04:04

going to hate the players if you allow

1:04:06

Feminists to be the spokespeople for the league. So

1:04:08

so to me I think you know,

1:04:11

I hope Because this is all

1:04:13

this is always the issue It's not

1:04:15

the initial statement because sometimes people they

1:04:17

say things people say also stuff on social

1:04:19

media You have a thought you go to

1:04:21

Twitter and you type it out The

1:04:24

question is always how was how will

1:04:26

they respond to the backlash and

1:04:28

we've seen We've seen elder

1:04:30

state we see we saw Macy Gray

1:04:33

go from telling Pierce Morgan, you know

1:04:35

I know what it means to be a woman I've

1:04:38

been a woman all my life to telling you know

1:04:40

holder on today's show or being a woman is a

1:04:42

vibe That took one week. We've seen

1:04:44

them back down Michael Parsons when he made some

1:04:47

some comments about Brittany

1:04:49

Griner and say hey we left the

1:04:51

Marine over in Russia That's not

1:04:53

good with me that he backed

1:04:55

down that took about three hours So

1:04:57

the question is not whether she'll make the statement The

1:04:59

question is is she prepared to stand

1:05:02

her ground? 10

1:05:04

toes down all six foot four and

1:05:06

say I'm a woman I'm speaking up

1:05:08

for women's sports and and that's what it's going

1:05:11

to be if she's willing to do that Then

1:05:13

what you will see is all the people and this

1:05:16

is a different column I wrote for blaze who

1:05:18

criticize Emmanuel Acho for

1:05:21

a light delicate criticism of

1:05:23

Angel Reese Will now

1:05:25

be taking the actual position and saying

1:05:27

what Angel Reese is transphobic. She's a

1:05:29

bigot This is not who

1:05:32

we stood up for, you know She's taking the

1:05:34

wrong position soon She gonna be voting for Donald

1:05:36

Trump and you'll see the side

1:05:38

switch because as I said, it's not just

1:05:40

about race and sex It's about

1:05:43

a person being willing to

1:05:45

be a mouthpiece for leftist

1:05:47

Marxist progressive ideology Delano

1:05:53

If I had to bet and I want you to look

1:05:55

we're we're gonna go Dave Portnoy and lay some big bets

1:05:57

down here.

1:06:01

Angel Rees

1:06:03

is not gonna back down here and I'll tell

1:06:05

you what I think she knows it's

1:06:08

about to rain on her financially for

1:06:11

taking this stance that

1:06:13

she has figured out what

1:06:15

I figured out like last week is like oh

1:06:18

man she's a tastemaker she is a

1:06:21

legitimate influencer

1:06:23

and this plain this feminine

1:06:27

role is going to

1:06:29

make her relevant and more

1:06:31

money than this

1:06:34

is like some somewhat of the good

1:06:36

of capitalism of like she

1:06:39

just had a year of name

1:06:41

image and likeness business school at

1:06:44

LSU and she's figured out

1:06:46

her brand and

1:06:48

and this feminine brand is actually

1:06:50

going to make money

1:06:52

for her and and she

1:06:54

will withstand this backlash I don't think

1:06:57

she folds and I'd be willing to

1:06:59

bet quite a bit of

1:07:01

money she will not fold what

1:07:03

say you? Well

1:07:06

Jason I've never been a gambler

1:07:08

man but if I was I

1:07:10

definitely would take the opposite side of that

1:07:12

bet and I would be

1:07:14

glad to cast your check in about

1:07:16

two months at

1:07:18

most it won't even take that

1:07:20

long because the thing is and what I've learned

1:07:24

over the course of a lifetime and even over

1:07:26

the last coming up on three years you know

1:07:28

rocking with you on the blaze is

1:07:30

that the number of people who are willing to be a

1:07:33

Jason Whitlock a Clarence

1:07:35

Thomas um Candace Owens doesn't

1:07:37

even have the the track record to this point

1:07:40

I'm talking about people who are willing to

1:07:42

stand in the public square black people

1:07:45

who are willing to stand in the

1:07:47

public square taking positions that the

1:07:49

culture completely disagrees with and willing

1:07:51

to take the scorn the hatred

1:07:54

the name calling the

1:07:56

loss of opportunities right the

1:07:58

number of people willing to do do that for an extended

1:08:01

period of time for five years,

1:08:03

10 years, 20 years is extremely small,

1:08:07

extremely. She's going to

1:08:09

have handlers. She's going to have PR

1:08:12

reps. She's going to have media coaches.

1:08:14

She's going to have all of the, I

1:08:16

was about to say something. She's going to have all

1:08:19

of the other women in the WNBA who play for

1:08:21

the, a different team in

1:08:23

their spare time and their personal lives, all

1:08:26

of them wanting to teach her a lesson to haze

1:08:28

her and let alone turn her

1:08:30

out. That's a different, that's a different conversation.

1:08:33

All of these people are going to apply pressure

1:08:35

to Angel Reese and the number of people that

1:08:37

I've ever met or ever seen, particularly

1:08:40

black folk, especially black women

1:08:43

who are willing to stand up

1:08:45

under all that pressure is extremely

1:08:47

small. I mean, you could feel, you

1:08:50

probably couldn't even fill a dollar van, you know, like a

1:08:52

13 passenger seating, very

1:08:55

small. So no, I would take

1:08:57

the other side of that bet and I would

1:09:00

gladly cash your check in about two weeks. Okay.

1:09:03

So this, and this

1:09:06

is fascinating. I want

1:09:08

you to just think it through a little bit

1:09:10

or, and maybe you've already considered this, but what

1:09:13

happened last week at the WNBA

1:09:15

draft was

1:09:18

not just all by happenstance. The

1:09:20

league was in on that. Kathy

1:09:23

Engelberg, she was dressed,

1:09:25

the commissioner of the WNBA, she was dressed

1:09:27

the way she was addressed intentionally.

1:09:32

I think they had conversations all behind

1:09:34

the scenes. We're going to

1:09:36

put a very feminine face on this

1:09:38

WNBA draft. We got the wind at

1:09:40

our back. We're about

1:09:43

to sell because all of

1:09:45

these old school, like

1:09:48

take a pet summit, take

1:09:50

a Kim Mokey.

1:09:52

They used to be for, and for,

1:09:55

we're called the lady walls. We're

1:09:57

called the lady textures. And

1:10:00

they all were adamant. Pat

1:10:03

Sonnet had a kid. I

1:10:06

don't know what she died as, but she was not

1:10:09

homosexual. Kim

1:10:11

Mokey is heterosexual. All

1:10:14

of them actually believe in this and

1:10:16

used to stand firm on that.

1:10:19

And again, you got a Martina

1:10:21

Novitrolova who's gay. And

1:10:23

she's against the whole transgenderism thing.

1:10:27

I just think

1:10:29

the WNBA is in support of

1:10:32

what ain't. I don't think Angel

1:10:34

Rees is just going rogue

1:10:36

here. I believe she's heard

1:10:38

a message from the WNBA.

1:10:41

We're going all feminine in our

1:10:43

promotion. The Brittany Griner thing was

1:10:45

a bust. They thought, we're going

1:10:48

to bring Brittany Griner out of this prison.

1:10:50

And she's going to be this mega

1:10:52

star. And everybody, they

1:10:54

tried to push her. ESPN was

1:10:56

writing updates. Brittany Griner this, and

1:10:58

Brittany Griner farted today. And it

1:11:00

smelled like roses. News story after news

1:11:03

story. Her team finished

1:11:05

in last place, and no one

1:11:07

cared about Brittany Griner. You can't

1:11:09

sell that. You can

1:11:11

sell what they marketed last Monday

1:11:14

and what college basketball marketed with

1:11:16

Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark all

1:11:19

year. You can sell women

1:11:22

playing basketball that

1:11:25

are actually women and proud to be women. I

1:11:29

mean, you can sell it, right?

1:11:31

But I think this is like

1:11:34

the biblical parable about the sowing

1:11:36

seed. What

1:11:38

we're seeing is the seed dropping. We have

1:11:40

no idea what type of ground that it's

1:11:42

on. And only time will tell. And

1:11:45

what I'm saying is, I think there's a

1:11:47

similar dynamic playing out here with the

1:11:49

WNBA. And let's say

1:11:51

I concede every point you made in terms

1:11:53

of it being intentional. This

1:11:55

is no different than what you analyze

1:11:59

and criticize. with respect to the

1:12:01

Stephen A. Smiths and the Bill Mars

1:12:03

of the world, which is they're going

1:12:05

to give the popular culture enough signaling

1:12:08

to say, hey, we're reconsidering what

1:12:10

the left has been pushing for so long.

1:12:13

And then 30 seconds later, they're

1:12:15

going to come back and reaffirm

1:12:17

their conservative bona fides

1:12:19

and say, well, but I'm not full of

1:12:21

Trump. I'm not going to go that far.

1:12:23

I just think that we should reconsider how

1:12:25

far we've been pushing things. And what I'm

1:12:27

saying is it's quite possible. And I think

1:12:29

the most likely scenario is that

1:12:31

the WNBA is saying the same thing. They realize

1:12:33

that the league has been way too

1:12:35

political. Right. Now, the thing is you

1:12:38

can't change the fact that the WNBA is full of

1:12:40

six foot four and six foot five women. The only

1:12:42

other place you're going to see that many, that such

1:12:45

a large collection of women of that stature is

1:12:47

on a volleyball court. And the

1:12:49

volleyball players tend to have a different aesthetic. So you

1:12:51

can't help that. You can help

1:12:53

being a political league. And the

1:12:55

WNBA has been far more political

1:12:57

than the NBA and the NFL, by the

1:12:59

way, because they think that this

1:13:01

is our way to get into the

1:13:04

mainstream, to take a knee for Jacob

1:13:06

Blake, to put on BLM shirts, to

1:13:08

say, vote Warnock. And they realize that's

1:13:10

failed. So what they do, they'll wave

1:13:12

their hands and say, oh, look, we'll

1:13:14

put some some actually, you know, women

1:13:16

who look like women up on stage

1:13:18

while still sort of doing the same

1:13:20

thing behind the scenes. Because the

1:13:22

thing is, if the WNBA turns and

1:13:25

says we want to rebrand as a more feminine

1:13:27

league, what are they going to do about the,

1:13:30

I don't know, 35, 40 percent of

1:13:32

the women who are out of the

1:13:34

closet? The Elena Deladon's

1:13:36

and the Brittany Griner's and the women

1:13:38

like that. What are they going to

1:13:40

do about all of those women? Because

1:13:42

they're not going to take that quietly.

1:13:44

So no, I don't think that WNBA

1:13:46

is in the sort of midst

1:13:48

of a full rebrand. Here's what they're going to do.

1:13:52

I got an answer for you. Here's what they're going to do. You

1:13:59

don't. You have

1:14:01

never driven a single

1:14:03

rating point. This is a

1:14:06

TV show and Diana Tarasi,

1:14:09

we appreciate all the points you scored. No

1:14:11

one bought a ticket. No one turned

1:14:14

on their TV to watch you play. We don't

1:14:16

need you. And so Angel

1:14:19

Reese, not even that skilled

1:14:22

and doesn't really do exciting things

1:14:24

on the basketball court, but

1:14:26

people bought tickets and

1:14:28

ratings jump partially because of Angel

1:14:30

Reese and her persona. Obviously,

1:14:33

Caitlin Clark drove a lot of ratings

1:14:35

and is bringing a lot of excitement.

1:14:38

Brianna Stewart, Diana Tarasi,

1:14:41

Sue Bird, Della

1:14:43

LaDon, all the rest of

1:14:45

you, Brittany Gliner, see you.

1:14:50

No one even will know that you're

1:14:53

not here because nothing

1:14:55

any of you do

1:14:57

is very exciting or

1:14:59

very pleasurable to the eye

1:15:01

in watching sports. We

1:15:04

don't, they're extras in a

1:15:06

TV show and we finally have

1:15:08

a few stars on the way

1:15:10

and they bought in Camilla

1:15:13

Cardosa, again, presented

1:15:15

herself, that's as attractive as you can

1:15:18

be at six foot seven, the way

1:15:20

she's presented herself. The best you

1:15:22

can do. She did, people

1:15:24

will watch that. If

1:15:26

I'm sitting there, they're actually

1:15:28

happy being women. I

1:15:30

don't care that they can't jump over the

1:15:32

Sunday newspaper. I can't, this is below the

1:15:34

rim, as I said, if they make a

1:15:36

movie about it, it's gonna be called below

1:15:38

the rim. But

1:15:41

this will work. What

1:15:45

they've been doing won't work. See

1:15:48

you and I wouldn't wanna be you. I

1:15:51

think I agree with

1:15:53

your sentiment. I disagree with

1:15:55

your numbers. Imagine if David

1:15:57

Stern, late 90s. No,

1:16:00

early 2000s in the Iverson era said,

1:16:02

look, all of these guys with

1:16:04

the full sleeves and the cornrows and so on

1:16:06

and so forth, this is bad for our image

1:16:08

and bad for our branding. So

1:16:10

see you later, guys. I mean, that

1:16:12

sounds good. But the problem is if that's 40% of your

1:16:15

league, where are you going to get the other people from?

1:16:18

So the WNBA and

1:16:20

the NBA do not have the same imaging

1:16:23

problem. Let's just say in terms of

1:16:25

sex and sexuality, right? Because I think

1:16:27

that's sort of the unspoken thing there,

1:16:29

right? When Candace Wiggins a few years ago

1:16:32

said she felt bullied as a heterosexual player,

1:16:35

and they basically tried to say, oh, I

1:16:37

never experienced that. Like there's a

1:16:39

there there. The number of domestic violence

1:16:42

issues in the WNBA is something

1:16:44

that an investigative journalist will have

1:16:46

a field day on. People

1:16:48

forget, Brittany Griner again, pleaded,

1:16:51

I think, no contest to abusing. I think

1:16:53

this was her first wife. So

1:16:56

the WNBA, a significant part

1:16:58

of their labor base is

1:17:02

part of the, as you call them, the

1:17:04

alphabet mafia. And thinking that you

1:17:06

can sideline them, diminish

1:17:09

their impact or all out get rid

1:17:11

of them is like thinking you're

1:17:13

going to get rid of, you

1:17:15

know, the gay males in your hair salon

1:17:18

and still have enough people to do a

1:17:20

press and hold on a Sunday morning. It's

1:17:22

not happening because it's just too many people.

1:17:24

This is not one or two individuals like

1:17:27

in the NBA. This is 35, 40, 45%

1:17:29

even more. And

1:17:33

those are the ones out. Even

1:17:36

so. No, I think it's like 75% of

1:17:38

the league, but there's 30, 30,

1:17:40

there's a strong 30, 35% that are

1:17:43

out and present themselves. Look

1:17:45

some of those women on stage

1:17:47

at the WNBA draft, they're

1:17:50

alphabet mafia. The

1:17:52

prettiest one, the girl from Ohio state. I

1:17:55

was like, holy cow. Look at her. Oh

1:17:57

my God. Then I went and looked at her Instagram and

1:17:59

saw her. and her girlfriend. Are

1:18:01

you kidding me? These

1:18:04

Ohio State athletes should be

1:18:06

embarrassed. Whoever the star of

1:18:08

the Ohio State football team is, I'm going

1:18:10

to keep scanning over to the right. Oh

1:18:13

yes, she's in the white sleeveless

1:18:15

deal next to Kaitlin Clark. I

1:18:17

could have picked that one. Oh,

1:18:20

that broke my heart. I mean, it

1:18:22

just broke my heart. I was like,

1:18:24

unbelievable. You guys at Ohio State, you

1:18:27

should be embarrassed that y'all let a

1:18:29

woman pull that. But anyway.

1:18:36

This was far more, I didn't

1:18:38

expect it to go here, but

1:18:40

thank you so much. Great job

1:18:42

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