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We're

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culture editor here at The

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1:01

as well. Today, I'm joined once again by my

1:03

colleague Christopher Bedford, senior editor

1:05

here at the federalist. Chris

1:07

WELCOME BACK. GO TO BE HERE. BEFORE

1:09

WE STARTED, CHRIS

1:10

TOLD ME THAT HIS BRAIN IS

1:12

CURRENTLY SITTING IN A CushION

1:14

OF DOMNESS

1:15

It's a soft cushion of dum. A soft cushion

1:17

of dum. And the media research center had their

1:19

annual gaitle last night. I don't actually go to many

1:21

those gaelos anymore, but MRC and

1:24

broad scale is actually worth going to -- Mhmm.

1:26

-- it's fun. And

1:27

he knows how to throw parties a lot of alcohol. And

1:29

because of that, the effects that gin has on

1:31

the brain, even the day after when how the

1:33

alcohols left the system,

1:35

I I'm not at full capacity today.

1:37

Thanks for calling that out. A soft cushion

1:39

of dumb. Actually,

1:40

which is great because Chris also

1:43

was trying to figure out should talk about, and he

1:45

turned to me, and he said, we

1:47

could talk about the media's

1:49

fake week It

1:52

was it's completely fake. You live in a fake.

1:54

You live in a stimuli? It's fake every

1:56

week. But

1:58

the soft cushion of dumb

1:59

is a much better sort of A

2:02

full court press right now to

2:04

absolutely lie. I mean, Like,

2:06

the last couple weeks Go on.

2:09

So

2:10

originally, their plan it is it's funny

2:12

when the released talking points. and

2:14

it always does take a little bit for the media

2:16

to figure out how they're gonna do it and,

2:18

like, catch up on them because, like, they're not they're

2:20

not staff, but they realize what they're supposed

2:22

to do. So a couple months ago, they were Who

2:24

do they want to do it? We're going to run

2:27

the

2:27

midterm. The midterm campaign for

2:29

the

2:29

Democrats is going to be

2:31

not Trump. And

2:33

I'll leave Democrats who are in trouble or in convicts

2:35

for freaking out. Like, that's a really awful plan. He's

2:37

not the president. and

2:38

EMEA and the Democrats were like, ah, hold my

2:40

beer. We'll make it present. And I

2:42

just made it about Donald Trump. And

2:44

then they were panicking. Remember there was a couple of weeks

2:46

from CNN. It was like, of the economy is going to

2:48

hell, people can't buy, baby. For me, like, gas

2:50

is over five dollars a gallon. So

2:52

as in places like California, food

2:55

prices are surging interest rates are

2:57

going up. People aren't looking for

2:59

work. People can't hire. They were starting to

3:01

panic, and the democrats just came

3:03

out with our docking parts for like relax.

3:05

fine. And

3:07

they're like, oh, oh

3:08

my gosh, everything's fine.

3:10

You're right. Everything is fine. So I mean,

3:12

if you were to read Axios and

3:14

sound not always terrible, but often,

3:17

you would you would see the economy is great.

3:19

Biden's got his aviators back. The New York

3:21

Times told us

3:22

He's on a roll. He he's he's

3:25

he's crushing legislation that no one cares

3:27

about, by the way. He's

3:30

is winning in the economy is doing better. Gas

3:32

is only like four dollars a gallon now, which

3:34

is awesome. And it's it's

3:36

complete in total why it's

3:38

it's potemkin villages. It's everything

3:41

is fine. Everything is fine. It's

3:44

funny when they talk about things like the big lie.

3:46

when you say, hey, there's serious problems

3:48

with their election integrity,

3:50

the last round. They call that the big

3:52

lie, but then they turn around and they actually say something

3:54

that's so ridiculous and so large. it's

3:56

difficult to even perceive the

3:58

lie. They say everything

3:59

is fine. Everything is fine. I mean,

4:02

they came out and said the economy was

4:04

doing better, and Biden was on an upsurge

4:06

because and then that day,

4:08

the Dow had one of his biggest drops. Right.

4:10

Biden was giving a he

4:12

was on the screen. has

4:14

on cable news, their stock

4:17

tickers were showing the Dow plunging

4:19

while James Taylor was playing guitar. Well, this was a

4:21

couple weeks ago. I was I was wondering,

4:24

if you work at the White House because I mean, it's not

4:26

like the White House reached out to James Taylor, and we're

4:28

like, can you come and play a sign sign of suicide?

4:31

Like James Taylor called Like,

4:33

almost definitely. Some I don't know.

4:35

I don't know. whole stuff. Or it's like Jeff Taylor

4:37

wants to come and play a song. What? And it's

4:39

like, oh, he wants to play a deal. at the

4:41

inflation reduction act he thinks it's

4:43

really important. I bet the I bet the White House called

4:45

him. Zoom seller is the kind of guy

4:47

who pulls his songs off of Spotify.

4:49

to try and protest the most popular podcast

4:52

host in history. Oh,

4:54

the Instagram podcast is, like, fifteen years

4:56

old. And, like, who

4:59

ran a who who did they run a by when they said

5:01

singing a song about suicide? You know the song,

5:03

Chris, was really odd. Mhmm. His guy,

5:05

you've got a friend in me. That's

5:07

not your campaign song. That's not

5:09

James Taylor. Is there? No. That's

5:11

At least covered it.

5:13

Yeah. That's actually

5:14

No, sir. Yes. I

5:20

think he's done. You've

5:21

got a friend with Carol King. Okay.

5:23

Soft

5:26

question of doubt. Yeah. But it

5:28

is it is soft indeed. for

5:30

me is going along with this. Like, if

5:33

if you

5:35

if you follow their news reports and actually

5:37

believe them,

5:38

then

5:39

you think this entire situation is entirely

5:42

different than this entire country, but it's difficult. to

5:44

lie out of it because people still go to the

5:46

grocery store. People are the people who

5:48

didn't have to budget before or have to budget their

5:50

groceries. People who did have to budget before

5:52

have to cut back and end the way that

5:54

they were living. People have to cancel travel.

5:56

People can't buy a home. I just I just talked for

5:58

a couple this morning that's married

6:00

and expecting.

6:01

And they switched from or last

6:03

night, they switched from we're in the market

6:05

to buy to we're now in the market to rent.

6:07

Yeah. Because of the the raising

6:09

interest rates, it's it's significantly more

6:12

money to

6:12

get in there. So

6:13

people people see it, but they're

6:15

still they're still completely determined to

6:18

just lie about it and say everything's fine,

6:20

and that's So kind of a wild place

6:22

even for a media that claimed that Donald

6:24

Trump was a Soviet agent. I guess,

6:26

what I'm seeing more of is

6:29

not

6:29

so much of them saying everything is

6:31

fine, although I have seen some of that

6:33

mostly just like going along with the Biden administration

6:35

talking point. It's so good for you. Yeah.

6:37

Bloomberg article. And I was gonna

6:39

say that what I have seen is just

6:41

like an odd dearth of coverage

6:44

about inflation. And but, like,

6:46

also, just prices. First

6:48

of all, the housing industry, of course, but also

6:50

just we were staring in our staff

6:52

chat some of the increases in prices for

6:54

things like bread. and milk

6:56

and cheese. It's kind of incredible

6:59

how little coverage of that

7:01

there's been of the fact that there food banks who are

7:03

saying they're completely overwhelmed and can't keep

7:05

up with demand, and things

7:07

continue to go in a bad direction. And

7:09

so I think the media has this like shining

7:11

object in the horserace twenty twenty two

7:13

coverage. That by the way,

7:15

it does it especially over the summer. I

7:17

mean, before the money pours into these races,

7:19

all they're doing is priming

7:21

the, I

7:23

guess, big political discourse,

7:25

the broader political discourse to

7:27

be pro dimming or

7:29

even more than pro dimming anti Republican.

7:32

Republican extremist. Right. To the point

7:34

that we now have teenagers running

7:36

over for and and

7:38

and call it insane. The reason

7:41

they did it to the police was that they're a public and

7:43

extremist. Explain that. So

7:45

Joe Biden goes out, says these guys are

7:47

Republican extremists. They're Magna, Republican

7:49

extremists, and they're a danger to our democracy.

7:51

And then this week, we had a car

7:53

attack or a cable's run over. I

7:55

don't know if he died or not --

7:56

Yes. -- over being, quote, a Republican

7:59

extremist.

7:59

That's what the attackers had when he called

8:02

the police. and he's released

8:04

almost immediately unveil an associated

8:06

press reports on it without ever

8:08

even mentioning the term Republican

8:10

extremist -- Mhmm. -- says it was over a quote,

8:12

political disagreement. Mhmm. When

8:15

Donald Trump said shut up your fake

8:17

news to the blow hards at CNN. Like,

8:20

if if a if a CNN reporter got a traffic

8:22

ticket or that. They were saying Donald Trump to

8:24

this. Someone looked at a CNN

8:26

reporter the wrong way. I was trying

8:28

to imagine if it was a dumb

8:30

shooter reporter of theirs who got fired. looks

8:32

like he's fifty five, but he's actually thirty

8:34

five or Right. Stelter. And

8:36

he wears t shirt, like, I'm an defender

8:38

of democracy.

8:42

Meanwhile, Biden goes out there with

8:44

his red image ray and his marines and

8:46

says, these Republican extremist sort of threat

8:48

democracy and a key person kill

8:50

someone two weeks

8:51

later because,

8:52

quote, they're a public extremist and media

8:54

is allowed to see here. Well, this is what Sarah

8:56

Palin sued the New York Times over. Was

8:58

there, like, years after this

9:00

had already been just proven. Their

9:02

association of the scopes, like

9:04

the targets over a different district

9:06

So Sarah Palin? said the Sarah Palin shot

9:09

got a different Yeah. That series that's her so

9:11

Sarah Palin had incited

9:13

the violence, because of that map. And that's why

9:15

she ended up suing the New York Times,

9:17

but it was, you know, hard to prove that they

9:19

had done it intentionally because they immediately

9:22

issued a correction, which actually think it's

9:24

probably accurate. Like, they're so

9:26

dumb that they didn't even realize that

9:28

this had long ago been disproven.

9:30

Like, they're in these really cozy little ideological

9:32

bubbles. set the case

9:34

in New York

9:35

Times, which is Sullivan for the ridiculous

9:37

media regime that we have in this

9:39

country. You can and then that you read the case in

9:41

New York Times, solve it. They literally I

9:43

don't know if I agree with this. About they lied

9:46

about it. I'm I'm probably a fire chief,

9:48

I think I was. Smear

9:50

him. then got away with it because he was a

9:52

public figure. Like, they they basically proved that

9:54

this was just complete in total garbage. And,

9:57

like, oh, no. You're the New York Times has

9:59

actually allowed to go into

10:01

these local areas and smear

10:03

ruin people's lives if they're, quote, public

10:05

figures. And the reason they're allowed to does

10:07

because the media is a force for good, the

10:09

horsepower accountable. Well, that's that

10:11

that time is long over. You have to approve

10:13

malice. Yeah. Yeah. Which is

10:15

very, very, very, very

10:17

hard. but props to Johnny died.

10:19

Twitter makes it easier. Yeah. because people

10:22

tweet about, like, the reporter's on tweet off, somebody

10:24

that got this awful evil person.

10:26

and that shows my house. But, I mean, you

10:28

should just be able to show especially with the New York

10:30

Times that there's been reckless abandon --

10:32

Mhmm. -- that there's been negligence.

10:34

Mhmm. I mean, you don't have to show malice to give everybody

10:37

a manslaughter. What and

10:39

the whole reason that we cut out this

10:41

segment of society, the the newspapers

10:44

were allowed to do. What no one else is

10:46

allowed to do is

10:47

because

10:48

they served an important civic

10:51

function in protecting a safeguarding first amendment.

10:53

They're actually leading the charge now and

10:55

destroying the first amendment. Yeah. They're empowering people. They

10:57

don't hold power accountable. They hold the

10:59

poor account Well, they hold conservatives.

11:01

They they tug at Christians. They

11:03

land bass priests. They

11:05

I mean, my own priest was almost

11:07

almost passed away from he was so sick

11:09

with COVID that he he was close for a period of

11:11

time. Mhmm. And the Washington Post ran an article

11:13

attacking him as an awful man because he prayed

11:15

his Rosaries play the park up there in twenty

11:17

twenty. That's right, COVID. I mean, this is

11:19

no longer a force for good. The same reason that the

11:21

governor of Tennessee should be looking at Vanderbilt right

11:23

now, which I believe he is -- Yes. -- the

11:25

same. What has has what

11:28

what breaks privileges and

11:30

tax exemptions have the people of

11:32

Tennessee granted to you because

11:34

you

11:34

were a center of learning in our

11:37

state that brought prestige to our state. Well,

11:39

now you're actually an enemy of parents, an enemy

11:41

of Christians, Jews, and Muslims in our

11:43

state. you're a bad thing and you lose all those

11:45

privileges. We should review basically all the

11:47

privileges that we've had into the left. I really like

11:49

this where where you're going with this because what you're

11:51

referring to here is Matt

11:53

Walsh's Twitter thread

11:55

yesterday. That was basically a reported

11:57

out

11:57

version of what he discovered

12:00

with his team is happening at vendor

12:02

built. And where where you're going with

12:04

this, Chris, is this broader

12:06

conversation where you'll have people at

12:08

the disc patch hyperventilating, and I don't

12:10

know if they have yet. I'm just assuming that

12:12

people are investigating the Vanderbilt

12:15

hospital for its gender affirmation

12:17

treatments. I say that in air quotes

12:19

if you're if you're listening. But

12:23

there are privileges that have been carved out

12:25

and revoking those privileges.

12:26

is not anti

12:28

democratic. It's not anti conservative. You

12:30

have idiots like Doug Doosie of Arizona

12:32

saying, well, we believe that government has no role

12:34

in what protecting the citizenry from

12:37

abuse of a powerful corporations, universities,

12:39

and politicians. Doug Ducey said that yesterday.

12:41

He said he said very ridiculous. People on the

12:43

right are starting to act like bullies in

12:45

telling corporations what they can't and can't do.

12:47

And it sounded like he was talking very clearly about

12:49

Ron DeSantis. This is his life in your eye. It

12:51

sounded like he was talking about DeSantis. tower

12:53

garage or a restaurant. and

12:55

you and your restaurant goes under, guess what? You

12:57

lose your house. You might lose your car.

12:59

Your kid might have to leave college. If you're a

13:01

corporation and goes on and go under, the CEO

13:03

drives away in his nice car back to his nice

13:05

house because he's protected because we've given

13:07

different liabilities to corporate entities.

13:09

Why? Because they were good for American business.

13:11

well, are those people actually turning in American businesses,

13:13

small businesses? Doug Ducey, we're coming to say, well, you

13:15

can't have the government block, revoke the privileges.

13:18

These my

13:19

point is Yeah. Yeah. Universities.

13:21

and these medical

13:24

associations and hospitals, these

13:26

newspapers, these

13:28

corporate and corporate entities and financial

13:30

entities, These are not just free market voids.

13:32

The government would have to interfere to

13:35

take

13:35

away. These

13:36

things are systems that are designed

13:38

for those things to flourish that given

13:41

by votes of the US Senate and the

13:43

House and and decisions by the administrative

13:45

state. We've

13:45

given them great privilege because of the

13:47

good things that they brought now

13:49

those privileges, privileges get taken

13:51

away. It's not interference in the free market.

13:53

The interference in the free market is that

13:56

capital is tax different from labor. It's it's the

13:58

subsidies that are given to corporations.

13:59

Yeah. ripped those out. I I actually didn't

14:02

expect to get this excited about anything.

14:04

No. And, you know, again, Chris, this we

14:07

sometimes are sitting around thinking about what we should

14:09

talk about and discover

14:11

it fortunately about fake wake.

14:13

Ten minutes into our conversation. But

14:16

no. Actually, this is important because

14:18

it's it's this like, it's similar to the conversation

14:21

about free trade. People on the right and

14:23

the the sort of libertarian right will

14:25

freak out. And it's,

14:27

like, we don't have free

14:29

trade. You're acting

14:29

like this world like there's no

14:31

such thing. You're going to be giving privileges

14:34

to other people different

14:36

people rather than other people no matter what. And

14:38

I guarantee that you wanna do that.

14:40

And so to act like revoking

14:42

privileges, to revoking

14:44

tariffs in certain cases or imposing them,

14:47

we do not have a perfect we don't live in the

14:49

perfect randy in utopia, whether

14:51

it's trade or whether it's subsidies

14:53

here. Like, we don't that that

14:55

doesn't exist. And so there's going to

14:57

be interference in the market. no

14:59

matter what, we're going to have cronyism.

15:01

No matter what, there's

15:04

nothing wrong with trying as

15:06

best we can to take the cronyism

15:08

away. especially when it's creating a

15:10

non healthy society or an unhealthy

15:12

society in different sectors and

15:14

reallocating resources to places

15:16

that are better. Now, I still believe that

15:18

markets are going to do a

15:20

generally better job than government

15:22

at producing outcomes that help

15:24

us flourish. There's no question about it.

15:26

that doesn't mean that we have to hyperventilate every

15:29

time the government juts in

15:31

because there's

15:31

a lot of The market didn't decide that

15:34

capital should be tax less than like No. The

15:36

government did. But now

15:38

we live in a society where

15:40

labor

15:40

counts less than capital. You only It's

15:42

pretty weird. And the economy Let's just turn on

15:44

his head. Wait. There's this idea. Like, the economy

15:47

exists for the

15:49

purpose of a flourishing people. the flourishing

15:51

people don't exist for the purpose of the

15:53

economy. They're not COGS in

15:55

the economic machine. That's not the

15:57

way to look at people.

15:58

and it's never been a

15:59

healthy way to look at people, but it gets to

16:02

this conversation. I was just having taped a

16:03

podcast with Chris Bolivant from

16:06

the Social Capital campaign right before

16:08

I came over here and started recording with

16:10

Chris. And we were talking

16:12

about some of what he was talking

16:14

about in terms of policies to bolster

16:16

families and to shore up

16:18

social capital, reminded me of something

16:20

Jorm has only said on our podcast about

16:22

how we've privatized virtue.

16:25

And

16:25

that's, I think, an important

16:27

insight because we're going

16:29

to have standards of behavior

16:32

in our government. Right? So, like, our government

16:34

presupposes a somewhat

16:36

liberal national order. Right? Like, we have a

16:38

first amendment. We have all of

16:40

these different ideas about how government be

16:42

organized and what the relationship between people

16:44

and government should

16:45

be. But then, we've just sort

16:47

of allowed the private sector to

16:49

run wild and what their desire writing

16:51

is actually increasingly what this tiny

16:53

little percentage of the population wants, which

16:55

is like ESG. Right? Like, that's

16:58

the virtue. By by privatizing virtue,

17:00

we put the hands the power in the hands

17:02

of this tiny slice of the

17:03

population that controls multinational corporations.

17:05

And they're

17:06

going with ESG and diversity,

17:08

equity, and inclusion. and the market

17:10

actually isn't working. It's not working at all

17:13

ESG. And Charles

17:14

Payne talks a lot about this. The

17:16

the danger that ESG

17:19

poses when

17:19

you suddenly start to take as opposed

17:21

to just your profits, your

17:24

your virtue according to the left wing standards --

17:26

Yes. -- measure the value of your company.

17:29

I mean, already the way that we were measuring

17:31

companies was stupid and self

17:33

destructive, quarterly earnings, etcetera, as

17:35

opposed to long term growth.

17:36

I mean,

17:37

talking to folks

17:39

going

17:40

around this

17:41

country and talking to folks who have been very

17:43

successful. I'm talking, like, a hundred million dollars,

17:46

maybe close to a billion dollars who private company owners.

17:48

They'll physically

17:49

across the board tell you, I never

17:51

would have been able to do this.

17:53

Had I been a publicly traded company? Yeah. Because I would have

17:55

been answerable to quarterly earnings. And I

17:57

took hard years. I made massive investments.

17:59

I did things that were possible to

18:02

fail. III

18:03

worked hard at it and

18:05

and things paid off, but we the public the

18:07

top

18:07

of the trade of the company doesn't really allow that --

18:09

Mhmm. -- nearly as much because of the earning reports. And

18:11

now on top of that, they wanna

18:13

add what what left wing things have you done for

18:15

me to the company's earnings. I

18:17

think

18:17

it's gonna it's gonna

18:18

lay them open for a lot of lawsuits. potentially

18:21

from shareholders who disagree. But

18:23

it's just I say, it's so toxic

18:26

that

18:26

Jamie Dylen -- Yes. Yes. I was

18:28

just gonna say that. a leader in

18:30

this garbage. Yeah. He said, no. This

18:32

is stupid. Yes, you're so constructive. And I

18:34

just wanna be like, can Jamie, do

18:37

you know? what's your company does? And I think he

18:39

does know. And I think that's what makes

18:41

it. So I think he's one of the corporate

18:43

leaders that's tried to be very deaf

18:45

at walking this kite rope between because

18:47

they know that they're accountable to the media.

18:49

Right? And the media is gonna tell the shareholders

18:51

what to think. And the media

18:54

has huge role in conditioning the public and

18:56

conditioning shareholders. First of all, it's lost

18:58

business. Okay. Yeah.

19:00

Because the media primes people to

19:02

say, well, if

19:04

you're not investing in ESG, etcetera,

19:06

etcetera. And what did Jamie Diamond say? I think it

19:08

was to Rashida Tlaib yesterday.

19:10

Is that right? He said something like She

19:12

asked about divesting from American fuel

19:14

and energy sources, you know, so we could

19:16

follow Europe towards a winter or -- Yeah. --

19:18

our babies in our elderly free

19:20

And he said that would be the road to hell for

19:23

America. No kidding. Yeah.

19:25

But it's amazing because always

19:27

operated. That's not always operated for the last

19:29

decade. So Right. But see, they're they're

19:31

willing to when the rubber meets the road,

19:33

when it comes to to fossil

19:35

fuels, they're willing to stand

19:37

up and say whatever. And they are invested in

19:39

different renewable technologies and

19:41

and other things. Like, in general, everybody's

19:44

investing those because they know that there is

19:46

going to be certain shifts. This reminds

19:48

me of I think as Azeroth said, David Azeroth

19:50

who's been on this podcast a number of

19:52

at the

19:52

National Conservatives in Conference in Miami.

19:54

He challenged

19:55

what I thought and

19:57

that the the

19:58

the rue the Wokeness is

19:59

a religion. And I thought we a lot a lot about that the

20:02

federal center saying in that way

20:04

because of its

20:04

ideas of sacraments and sacrifice and

20:07

sin and pendants. he

20:09

said -- It's just -- have martyrs.

20:11

Yep. Wellness doesn't have martyrs. Wellness

20:13

has she told some justice warriors who

20:15

are always with it when you win.

20:17

Mhmm. They're battle to the last man over

20:20

Jerusalem or they're not gonna die in the steps of the

20:22

Vatican. Exactly. They're

20:24

not. So, like, Jamie

20:26

Dodds. They're not willing to sacrifice their

20:28

profits. Yeah. Yeah. At the end, I mean,

20:30

they'll they'll make sacrifices here. They'll donate a

20:32

billion dollars to terrorist

20:34

organizations like Black Lives Matter that make America did that.

20:36

But at the end of the day, they will

20:37

flee when it's no longer helping them.

20:40

And that kind of put

20:41

it that it's basically had to cause me

20:44

to rethink exactly what are we dealing

20:46

with. And

20:46

if we take the path of someone like

20:48

Ron DeSantis as opposed to cowards like

20:50

Doug Doosey and say, well, we're gonna turn up the heat

20:52

make uncomfortable for you to destroy this

20:55

country? How many of them

20:55

will still want to destroy this country? No. But the yeah.

20:58

Exactly. Because they think they're under this

21:00

is about Jamie Dimon. They're under the impression

21:03

that this social leftism or

21:05

cultural leftism is good for their

21:07

bottom lines. more that they realize

21:09

it's not, the less willing they

21:11

will be to continue

21:13

down that road and they you see it with the

21:15

fossil fuels. He said it yesterday. Imagine

21:17

him being pressed by a Republican

21:19

lawmaker to stop doing

21:22

ridiculous gender ideology,

21:24

like having his policies informed by gender

21:27

ideology or RACIAL WONKNESS

21:29

AND HIM SAYING THAT WOULD BE THE ROAD TO

21:31

HELP FOR AMERICA? NO, HE WON'BECAUSE HE STILL

21:33

THINKS THOSE ARE GOOD FOR PROFIT. and

21:35

that's exactly what it comes down to. Texas

21:38

and Arizona and New Mexico and

21:40

Florida and Kentucky and wherever

21:42

else have

21:43

not yet made

21:44

it incredibly difficult for Jamie Dimon

21:46

to push theirself in his company. Yeah. But they

21:48

should. Well, and this gets to the Vanderbilt thing.

21:51

So Matt Walsh is exposing

21:53

what's happening at the the Vanderbilt

21:56

Medical Center Hospital, whatever it

21:58

is, in terms of

21:59

transgender affirmation treatments,

22:02

and he was I saw him tweet this morning,

22:05

actually. He said something to

22:06

the extent of

22:08

Republicans never used to, like,

22:10

actually do anything about this.

22:12

now that's going to change. And I

22:15

wanted to ask you about that, Chris, because

22:17

it

22:17

does seem Matt Walsh has, like, said he's

22:19

already talked to certain politicians in the

22:21

state of Tennessee. about Vanderbilt.

22:25

So do you think this

22:27

is actually a sea change? Or do you

22:29

think it's just people No. I

22:31

think

22:31

it could be. I mean, Bill

22:34

Lee is kind of more he's he's

22:36

been he's been hardcore

22:38

on a number of different things. But

22:40

other things, he's definitely backed the well

22:42

government and shouldn't interfere --

22:44

Mhmm. -- approach that -- Mhmm. -- public use to have

22:46

I mean, I had I've had some heated

22:48

debates

22:49

where some folks were very close to him

22:51

over vaccine mandates, etcetera.

22:53

And how why the states are stepping

22:56

to ban private businesses from

22:58

borrowing people from the marketplace based on

23:00

their medical history. Which is

23:02

also the critical division between, I believe, Lucy and

23:04

DeSantis. I think that's what DeSantis was

23:06

referring to when it came to DeSantis. DeSantis

23:08

did say. DeSantis said you can't ban

23:10

pee. You cannot ban. Yeah. the

23:12

citizens of Florida from partaking in the marketplace

23:15

with that

23:15

unless they get an injection, that is not something that

23:18

we're gonna permit our business to do. And a

23:20

lot of other Republicans said,

23:22

well, if businesses if businesses want to,

23:24

you know, make you get the mark or make you

23:26

want to get the jab, that's their

23:28

right. I think that's garbage. I think DeSantis

23:31

was right. So so that that's just to show you

23:33

that right

23:33

now is something

23:35

that's different. Billy's

23:37

team has said he has I've seen this thing going

23:39

on in Vanderbilt. And their first thought

23:42

is not

23:42

well, this is just a private

23:44

university that could they if they want

23:46

to remove parents from children's medical

23:48

waiting rooms and put in transgender

23:51

groomers to and and separate them from the

23:53

parents. We're not going to allow that. Mhmm. That's

23:55

not allowed a period. if

23:57

they're gonna run this and and

23:59

brag about it,

23:59

the profitability of a clinic

24:02

that castrates children. Mhmm.

24:04

We're not going to

24:04

allow that. So that's that's something

24:07

that's a change. I think I

24:09

think

24:09

maybe DeSantis and other folks who are early

24:12

to do this that

24:14

it turned off some who just hadn't really rethought

24:17

the situation that we're in as a

24:19

country and -- Yes. -- and then thought

24:20

of just had, like, a a

24:23

dogmatic response of

24:25

no government bad as

24:27

opposed to, like, oh, what what what actual purpose

24:29

is gonna serve. Yes. Come around. Yeah. I agree with

24:31

that. I've and I I think probably both of

24:33

us would say that's true of our own

24:35

thought processes. Well,

24:39

so this is

24:42

Chris Bolivand, who I referenced earlier, we

24:44

taped that podcast about Social Capital,

24:46

was saying this in the context of he

24:49

had been talking about family

24:50

policy with people in the corporate world.

24:52

And they had some people had responded by

24:54

saying, this actually takes the heat

24:55

off of us. to do ESG stuff.

24:58

Think about that because it gets to this

25:00

concept of privatizing virtue. Well, not

25:02

really. Right? Like Pay for your abortions and

25:04

we'll give you no leave for We'll

25:06

give you zero leave for for when you have a baby, but we'll pay

25:08

for your abortion. Yes. We Think

25:11

about that. We're gonna do the ESG, but

25:13

we're gonna make fly over the world, be

25:15

right for a family. Because with

25:18

vaccines, they

25:18

are responsive to this tiny slice of the

25:20

population in the American media. They are responsive

25:22

to this tiny slice of the population often at multinational

25:25

corporations that works in the C suite

25:27

level in Manhattan or LA

25:29

or wherever. And

25:31

so there's this it's basically, there's a tyranny

25:33

of elitism that controls all

25:35

of these institutions that serve people

25:37

beyond the elites. if we're prices privatizing

25:40

the virtues, we're increasingly privatizing them

25:42

and putting them in the hands of oligarchs

25:44

essentially that are saying, this is the

25:46

virtue. The virtue is ESG. totally

25:48

top down. It's not consensus, and the market

25:50

has really very little power because

25:53

the media is misinforming absolutely

25:55

everybody and some of these companies

25:58

like tech companies aren't

25:59

monopolies, and so you can't avoid it.

26:02

As a as a person, much smarter than

26:04

myself, one said, the media's

26:06

fake week. Yeah. That

26:08

was you. Oh, man. It's not

26:10

so satisfying. Sometimes I always wonder how did they come up

26:12

with those great ideas No. It's a

26:14

it is a good point though because, you know,

26:16

I think it take the vaccine question

26:19

that you were just saying. Like, if we're

26:21

letting private companies in

26:23

the market, sort out what

26:25

the virtuous position

26:27

on whether people should be able to

26:29

make these decisions for themselves is.

26:31

they're making it in the

26:32

heat of a media atmosphere and

26:35

a, let's say, also, a health

26:37

of the medical industry

26:39

at that a highly subsidized medical industrial

26:42

ad that

26:42

is completely feverish and

26:44

has had to correct themselves a

26:46

million different times. And so

26:49

you might think that the

26:50

market would sort that out because consumers would

26:52

make

26:52

the best decisions for

26:55

themselves. But the

26:55

pressure coming from America's

26:58

elite

26:58

sectors in that is forcing people to

27:00

make decisions that they don't want to make.

27:02

It doesn't work right

27:03

now. Yeah. It doesn't work. talking

27:05

about psychology in last night

27:08

on the federal strat. and

27:09

just the state that that's

27:11

in. Like,

27:12

republicans are finally eating conservatives are starting

27:14

to wake up and connect COVID did a lot

27:16

toward this,

27:17

where we're saying,

27:18

well, we there's a mental health crisis. We need

27:20

to power more psychologists. It's like, you mean

27:22

the people who are over there making money telling boys

27:25

that they're girls? Mhmm. This

27:27

is the folks you wanna empower to experiment on health crisis. Mhmm.

27:29

Waking up to just how

27:32

crooked

27:32

or

27:33

corporate

27:34

Elisa, financial elites, banking

27:37

elites, political elites,

27:39

legal elites, medical elites. Mhmm.

27:42

Venerville University -- Mhmm. -- and see --

27:44

Mhmm. -- is is an is an important

27:46

first step. It's basically the

27:48

the the

27:48

drug addict who's looking at the mirror and

27:51

saying, I'm a drug addict. I've got a problem.

27:53

So Recognition. When we passed the Civil

27:55

Rights Act in nineteen sixty four, and I

27:57

think, you know, there's plenty of debate. The gold

27:59

water side of

27:59

that debate, I think, is Oh, a

28:02

court order said that a bunch of things unintended

28:05

consequences would happen. He was right. And all in

28:07

all of them did. Yeah. It was completely

28:09

pressured.

28:09

and there's a debate that, you know, the

28:11

the left likes to pull the gold water side of that

28:13

argument wildly out of context

28:16

and and treat it as though it's idiotic

28:18

and whatever else. In in

28:20

the sort of context of

28:22

government, role the role of the government, it's a

28:24

different conversation, but The reason the civil rights act of nineteen

28:26

sixty four passes is because we're

28:29

moving towards a society where we

28:31

agree that we're not privatizing

28:33

the virtue of equality. Right?

28:35

We're saying this federal government, these people

28:38

elected in the Republican system of

28:40

government, they represent the people.

28:42

And by and large, they

28:43

decided that we

28:45

should ban racial discrimination

28:47

in the private

28:48

sector. And in the public sector,

28:51

we agree that racism

28:53

should not be allowed in

28:55

in

28:55

our society because

28:58

we agreed on what constituted

29:01

these values. and we agreed that we had consensus

29:04

on what the virtue was, treating

29:06

everybody the same

29:07

regardless of what the

29:09

color of their skin is. Now,

29:11

Actually, Washington, D. C. What's how

29:13

your largest like that? Is it your largest like

29:16

outcomes? Yeah. But but I'm saying the the

29:18

core of that is a consensus agreement on

29:20

a virtue. and the federal government elected by

29:22

people, decided that elected

29:23

by the American people, decided that this

29:25

was a consensus American virtue.

29:28

that discrimination, racial discrimination is wrong.

29:30

We can't do that

29:32

period anymore. We can't even

29:34

interpret that correctly anymore. Here in

29:37

Washington, DC,

29:37

There was a

29:39

racially segregated performance recently where they it

29:42

was literally only

29:45

for black members of the audience that were allowed to

29:47

go in, and

29:47

the media here in DC cheered it as

29:49

though this was

29:51

super progressive instead of being completely

29:54

regressive. I have a feeling that

29:56

I didn't miss anything that I would have

29:58

wanted to listen to. Yeah. The

29:59

point is, like, we just can't we

30:02

we can't even decide we're

30:04

we're basically incapable of having those

30:07

discussions and even coming to those agreements

30:09

anymore because there's consensus on

30:11

on nothing because you have this

30:13

mass confusion between essentially

30:16

people acting as oligarchs because they control

30:18

all the levers of private power

30:20

and but they do. I mean, they

30:22

just simply do. They control all the levers

30:24

of private power in the country, and they

30:26

have they disagree wildly with

30:29

the public. the

30:30

public is catching on. And the public caught on,

30:32

I think it's a couple years ago, twenty sixteen. The public

30:34

started to catch on. Twenty twenty public really started

30:36

to catch on.

30:38

It's not uncommon that the

30:40

political leaders in the United States or the last people to

30:42

catch on, but

30:44

it seems like final happening. So I'm I'm looking forward

30:47

to what happens

30:48

in Tennessee. It's not like it's a state

30:50

university. It's not something you can just defund

30:53

or or take

30:53

over the board or something like that. Although, by

30:55

the way, more governor should look into

30:58

that. There's no reason that the the state

31:00

universities of Texas should be leading a

31:02

left wing revolt against the Texas people and government.

31:04

But I'm

31:05

interested

31:06

to see what solutions come out of this as as

31:08

more and more brains are

31:10

put to these problems.

31:12

and try to think of constructive ways

31:15

and try to reevaluate

31:17

the carve outs and the privileges that we have handed to

31:19

an elite that now hates us. it'll

31:20

be an exciting time.

31:23

Well, universities are a great example

31:25

of nonprivatizing virtue. Right? Saying,

31:27

like, UVI, Thomas Jefferson's vision of

31:29

UVI, like, there is a virtue you in a

31:31

liberal arts education. There's a virtue in

31:33

our young adults going through this

31:35

process. There's a virtue in

31:38

saving books and artifacts and

31:40

teaching and learning. But,

31:42

you know, we have to have a consensus

31:44

on what is sex.

31:46

what is biology and you

31:49

can't function as a

31:51

university if you don't because then the outcome is

31:53

this trickles into your medical treatment

31:55

and it trickles into your psychology school. It

31:57

trickles into everything else. And the public

31:59

of Tennessee doesn't

31:59

want that. The fact that that happened in a

32:02

state like Tennessee

32:02

is extremely telling. I

32:05

mean, I think Eddie was right. What what are the

32:07

chances? Was it CBS and

32:09

ABC have deleted their tweets

32:11

accidentally referring to Babies. Babies is

32:13

babies. Yeah. And the study a study

32:15

just came out that that showed that

32:17

babies could differentiate and show a

32:19

pleasure to us based on taste -- Right. --

32:21

in the room. And I'd like to look at this

32:23

adorable baby. It's like, alright.

32:25

But

32:25

flip two pages, some are saying that's not a

32:27

baby and you can kill it right now. Yep.

32:29

So there's a disconnect here.

32:32

And, you

32:33

know, as as people on the right

32:35

like to say, just wanna follow the science. I just

32:38

wanna follow the science. Follow the science.

32:40

That's a boy. That's a girl. Chris Bedford

32:42

is a man of many tattoos, including

32:44

one that says follow the science. Yeah.

32:46

Yeah. A lot of people don't know that. It's it's

32:48

right on his neck though. The daily caller used to

32:50

have a policy that they would pay for any daily caller

32:52

tattooed employee who wanted ago. I was gonna say they

32:54

would pay to remove any tattoo to

32:56

deploy one together. That makes sense. You know

32:58

what? Oh, I would think

33:00

Tucker would be against tattoos.

33:02

had to lose that policy after after Obama carried a

33:04

drop deficit. Of course. This is

33:07

not in the budget. Alright.

33:10

Christopher Bedford, senior editor at the

33:12

federalist. Thank you as always. Thank you. You've

33:14

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33:16

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33:18

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