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1:17

Everyone into another episode that you

1:19

were wrong with me, David Harsani and

1:22

her Mollie Hemingway.

1:23

So

1:24

though Mona,

1:25

we're just having a discussion. I think we should that it

1:27

should bleed into our podcast. What do you think?

1:29

I

1:31

do not like spicy food, and you apparently

1:34

are a big fan.

1:35

for context, I'm like wolfing

1:37

down some food because I have a day

1:39

full of meetings. And I

1:41

put it's basically like a bowl

1:44

of ramen that I got at Costco.

1:46

It's

1:46

really good ramen

1:48

and katsu.

1:50

Anyway,

1:51

I poured a bunch of hot sauce in it because that's

1:53

how I like my

1:54

ramen.

1:56

And now my eyes are all watering.

1:59

and I'm wondering why I do this to myself.

2:01

Like, I love the flavor,

2:03

but it's hard for me to handle. And

2:05

I learned that David doesn't like his

2:07

food spicy, which makes no sense to

2:09

me at all.

2:10

Spice is wonderful. Spicy. Nice.

2:14

Yeah. Okay. if

2:15

something spicy enough to make your eyes water

2:17

and you look like you're dying over there, then

2:19

it's not anymore. It's just torture.

2:21

Right? So I I don't like participating in

2:24

that sort of thing. If there's just like a slight

2:26

little

2:26

afterburn or something, I think that's

2:29

okay. But when people just spice their food

2:31

to the extent that they're gonna taste what's going on.

2:33

I don't really understand it.

2:34

Okay. Well Just

2:36

somewhere where you'd differ. You're wrong, Molly.

2:41

Item one, getting back

2:43

to the serious topics here. The

2:46

presidential Biden's at the UN today

2:48

I think

2:49

he touched on a number of issues, but obviously he

2:51

was going to be speaking on on on

2:53

Putin in Russia. And from what I can

2:55

tell, he said the the usual things that he does.

2:58

But but facts

2:59

on the ground have changed recently. I've worked to

3:01

believe media reports, and

3:03

I I think it's this consensus

3:05

that it is true that that that Putin

3:07

has and obviously Russians have not done that

3:09

well. They've been pushed out of certain areas

3:11

that they had initially invaded

3:14

and conquered. Putin is calling

3:16

up reservists. I believe he's even

3:19

sort of implied that

3:21

he would use nuclear weapons. So

3:23

what do you make of all this?

3:25

So it sounds like

3:27

you've been reading the

3:31

framing that American media have

3:33

been putting on So your the

3:35

framing of the American media is yeah,

3:37

Putin's instituting a draft

3:40

and mobilizing forces and threatening

3:42

nukes, and this means that

3:45

he's losing. So

3:48

let's take a step back and think about all

3:50

of this, which is he

3:53

has had some setbacks recently.

3:55

in that he had, you know, essentially the equivalent

3:58

of, like, military police controlling

3:59

certain regions and

4:02

Ukraine was able to

4:04

get back some of the areas that

4:06

Russia had seized as part of its invasion

4:09

of Ukraine. So yeah,

4:12

setbacks, I think we've

4:14

seen American media way

4:17

overstate the significance

4:19

of those. and the

4:21

significance of what it means for the

4:23

coming conflict. And so related

4:25

to that then, prudent

4:28

responds by saying, okay, like, if you wanna

4:30

if you wanna do this, we'll institute

4:32

a draft, and don't forget we have

4:34

sixty five hundred nukes. and

4:36

American media say, yeah, this is

4:38

evidence that he's failing. And I think

4:42

probably a more adult

4:44

way of interpreting it is, this

4:46

is evidence he's not willing to lose

4:48

rather than evidence that he

4:50

is losing. He's you

4:53

know, up to this point, he had two things that he

4:55

wasn't deploying and you pray

4:57

that the last one doesn't get deployed, but one

4:59

of them is instituting a draft of this

5:02

kind and then the

5:04

use of nukes. And he's

5:07

saying he'll keep going. He'll keep doing

5:09

this until he gets what

5:10

he wants.

5:12

it's a sobering thing

5:15

and it's something where very

5:17

wise serious people should be

5:19

moving to deescalate unless

5:22

they think

5:23

nuclear war is one

5:24

of the things that they're willing to

5:26

risk to defeat Putin.

5:29

And maybe that is what

5:31

they're willing to risk, and maybe that

5:33

is where they see things going. I think there

5:35

should also probably be much more honest

5:38

debate about whether that's what everybody

5:40

wants. If everybody agrees that

5:44

rather than forcing these

5:46

two sides to the table and having them come

5:48

up with an agreement that doesn't get

5:50

into a major world war.

5:53

that they're that they're willing to risk the world war,

5:55

and nobody seems to be doing that. You know,

5:57

President Biden is speaking at

5:59

the UN as we're doing this. So we don't know what

6:01

he's saying. But pray he

6:03

is being, you know, strong

6:06

and

6:07

wise

6:08

and not doing that thing that, like, senators

6:11

do, which is posture without having

6:13

solutions. And I worry that

6:15

that's what he's been doing thus far.

6:18

Well, I guess I'd say some

6:20

some pushback here would be that a a

6:22

major power can lose a war.

6:24

Even though it has nuclear weapons, we, you

6:27

know, Vietnam's a perfect example of that.

6:29

Perhaps that's not the best example because

6:31

Vietnam was backed by nuclear powers,

6:32

but let's say even in Afghanistan, Stan. I mean,

6:34

we can we can be pushed

6:37

out of a place just so because we have noakes. It

6:39

doesn't mean we're willing to use them. I

6:41

think Putin, though, whatever

6:43

however, you know, nefarious, you

6:45

think he is or people think he is, and I

6:47

certainly think he's a dictator. He's

6:49

a rational actor don't

6:51

know that he would use nuclear weapons.

6:54

I doubt it. Obviously, there's always

6:56

the risk. But I think

6:58

what this event also tells us is

7:00

that new that Russia's is secondary

7:02

power. They have nuclear weapons, but the idea

7:04

that they're they are something that, you

7:06

know, I've always even when Mitt

7:08

Romney said that that Russia was our

7:10

number one geopolitical foe. I think he

7:12

was sort of wrong. Obviously,

7:14

I think they are a foe, but they're

7:16

not as powerful as people think the idea that they're gonna

7:18

be marching into Poland and

7:20

Europe, you know, if we didn't stop them at the in in

7:22

Ukraine, I think is ridiculous. But

7:25

I'm not I'm not a I'm not a serious

7:28

foreign policy expert or anything like that. I

7:30

just think that yeah.

7:31

On that point.

7:33

Putin, I hope we all agree. Not a

7:35

great guy. a bad guy.

7:38

I was reading a few

7:40

different pieces in corporate media

7:42

that we're talking about how he's got internal

7:44

unrest. and was listening to

7:46

a discussion between in

7:49

a couple of various NeoCon foreign

7:52

policy types about how his

7:54

bad guy, the US would like to see him

7:56

no longer there. And then sort of

7:58

deep into the conversation or

7:59

deep into the articles, It comes

8:02

out that the opposition he faces

8:04

internally is

8:06

the furthest thing away from the

8:08

type of position we wish he faced.

8:10

Like, we probably wish the

8:12

opposition was from people or movements

8:14

that we're going to bring more

8:16

freedom, economic, or otherwise to

8:18

Russia that would play on a on

8:20

a global stage better. The

8:23

is the legitimate opposition that he faces

8:25

is from people who make him

8:26

look like a squish. So

8:28

we

8:29

we you know, the the problem

8:31

that he's facing, the domestic pressure

8:33

is not that the war is unpopular

8:36

because it's too harsh. It's that the

8:38

war is unpopular because it's not harsh

8:40

enough. And so if there were, for some reason, a

8:42

regime change there that we help foment,

8:44

it might be, like, most of the other regime

8:46

changes that we help foment and that we get a

8:48

much much worse option than

8:50

the one that we have right now. However,

8:52

that's Yeah.

8:53

Absolutely. There seems to be a lot of criticism

8:56

in Russia that that

8:58

that Putin's pulling his punches actually in in

9:00

Ukraine rather than, you know,

9:03

not being toughened up. So

9:05

So yeah. Obviously obviously,

9:07

it's like with the Iraq. You wanted to the

9:09

important thing there was what happens after.

9:11

We were told that that these that

9:13

people you know, embrace democracy and

9:15

that you'd have this ally to the United States, but that

9:17

obviously didn't happen. I don't think, you know, so it's something

9:19

we need to think about it with with Russia

9:21

as well even though I don't think Putin will

9:23

be toppled by any democratic movement

9:25

or anything like that?

9:27

I think it's you're right when you

9:29

note that the Russian

9:32

military is not some

9:34

behemoth that can't be dealt

9:36

with or, you know, that it is

9:38

unstoppable. I also think it's important

9:40

to kinda know that they're going

9:42

to war I mean, they're technically going to

9:44

war against Ukraine. We don't

9:46

have our

9:47

military too

9:48

many of our military people presumably on

9:51

the ground, but they are

9:53

being supplied by US weapons

9:55

and they're being assisted with

9:57

US strategy and intelligence.

9:59

And that's

9:59

not nothing to go up against the most

10:02

powerful military in the

10:04

world.

10:05

And You

10:07

look at what I worry about is

10:09

that the US is very bad.

10:11

The entire west is very bad

10:13

at reading Cooten's red

10:16

lines. You know, he doesn't communicate the

10:18

same way you might expect our

10:20

politicians to and

10:22

you get these indications that you have not

10:24

read the red line when he

10:26

takes Georgia

10:28

in two thousand eight while the US is distracted

10:31

in Iraq,

10:31

or he

10:34

takes Crimea under Obama.

10:37

didn't take anything under the Trump

10:39

administration, which is a really interesting

10:42

data point. And then

10:44

goes in for the Don Bos as

10:46

soon as he can with Biden.

10:48

And now he's saying, I've

10:50

got two things left. I've got

10:53

mobilizing forces. which I haven't

10:55

really done yet, and I've got

10:57

nukes.

10:57

And we're not

11:00

listening. We're not reading this again,

11:02

maybe we don't care and maybe we just say

11:04

everything's worth defeating this man no

11:06

matter if it means that a worse person gets

11:08

in or You

11:10

know, we have to expel them from Ukraine

11:13

even if it means nuclear war or

11:15

even if it plunges Europe into a depression

11:17

that costs us all sorts of problems or,

11:19

you know, It just doesn't seem like

11:21

we're we're it

11:23

seems like we're living in the land where we just

11:25

know we're right. And by the way, we are.

11:27

in many ways on this. And so

11:29

therefore, it doesn't matter what

11:31

what

11:32

tools he has at his disposal.

11:34

Yeah.

11:35

Oh, and also, they just

11:37

instituted referendums in some of the

11:39

regions that they took. And those

11:41

places are probably going to agree to be

11:43

part of Russia which all of

11:45

a sudden means that if you go and, you

11:47

know, get them back, you're going into

11:49

Russian territory or it could be

11:52

viewed that way. Just get

11:54

messy.

11:54

Yeah. And

11:56

I think that a lot of people here because it's

11:58

easy to sort of virtue signal

12:00

with the Ukrainian flag and all that. I am

12:02

not a huge fan of of Ukraine.

12:04

It is not a great democracy. It

12:06

does not have a great history especially, you know,

12:08

on a personal level with with Jews

12:10

for instance. So I'm not a huge fan

12:12

of of of Ukraine in general, but also

12:15

ethnic Russians have been moved there. I've

12:17

been living there. forever, it is a

12:19

very complicated situation, especially

12:21

as you get closer to the Russian border.

12:24

You know, these things

12:26

are not going to be worked out

12:28

the through a

12:30

proxy war by the United States. I mean, I

12:32

just don't think Ukraine could go into Russian

12:35

areas take them, hold them. That that's

12:37

that's not a realistic goal.

12:39

So I do worry about that. Obviously, I

12:41

think morally Ukraine is is

12:43

right. And any nation should be able to defend its

12:45

borders from from aggression.

12:47

And, you know, I'm a little torn on how much

12:49

help we should be giving them because as you've

12:51

mentioned, I mean, it's actually to nuclear war. It's a thing

12:53

that that we should think about. Also, think about

12:55

the reprisals that could come next election or

12:57

whatever. I mean, you know, if everyone thought that the

12:59

revolution stole democracy with a

13:01

few face at. Imagine what's going to happen

13:03

in the next presidential election.

13:05

So I worry about that sort of thing. So

13:07

it's it's it's incredibly complicated

13:10

situation that people just

13:12

throw, you know, there's a lot of slogan hearing

13:14

going on when we talk about it. And that that that

13:17

annoys me and bothers me even though in my

13:19

heart, you know, I'm I'm with Ukraine. I

13:21

want Ukraine to stop Putin, and I wouldn't

13:23

mind Putin falling except, you know, who

13:25

will take over. That's question.

13:27

Right. And there are also the issues.

13:30

Well, one the one thing that

13:32

we really could have and should have done

13:34

was work on increasing our

13:36

energy supply. If there's a really smart

13:38

way to push out push against

13:40

Russia. And

13:42

Biden, stopped all of our energy

13:45

supply. I mean, he crushed it because of his

13:47

climate friends. And so we

13:49

had that tool at our disposal that we're not

13:51

using. And then the other thing is of

13:53

great concern. earn is that

13:54

the message from various

13:57

companies US has to

13:59

keep running

14:00

this tour. And I say the US

14:02

because they they say, we have to

14:04

keep supplying Ukraine, but we

14:07

spend more than almost every other

14:09

country combined. So what they're really saying

14:11

is that we have to do this. And

14:13

when they say that, that means that we are not

14:16

we are keeping our eye way off the ball

14:18

with China And there's so many things

14:20

that could and should be done to make sure

14:22

that China doesn't rise in power in a way that's

14:24

detrimental to our national interest, you

14:26

know, economic issues in play, military

14:28

issues in play, alliance

14:30

building in play, and this

14:32

this Russia and Ukraine thing affects

14:35

us in an existential way

14:37

or could affect us in an existential

14:39

way. And we wish

14:41

that we had the ability to

14:43

push back against every

14:46

bad actor

14:46

in the world. But that

14:47

doesn't mean that we do have that ability

14:50

and that we can't

14:51

that we can go around not prioritizing

14:53

what we need to do.

14:54

Also, it seems to me that European nations are

14:57

far less zealous about this we are in Germans,

14:59

for instance, who should be taking the lead on

15:01

protecting Western Europe, even though

15:03

obviously Ukraine's not Western Europe, but their

15:05

interests. So Yeah. It's a

15:07

big giant mess and we have the worst

15:09

person leading the country into it. A

15:11

person who's a president

15:13

whose foreign instincts have been

15:15

literally wrong a hundred percent of the time. You have

15:17

to try to be terrible, to

15:19

be as wrong as Joe Biden has been

15:21

on public on foreign policy throughout his

15:24

career.

15:25

But I don't you know,

15:26

that's a very common Republican

15:29

talking point, and I'm not sure if it's entirely

15:31

true. Okay.

15:32

Anytime he opposed to say

15:35

nation building wars,

15:37

they would say that that was wrong. Like

15:39

where? Where did he oppose a nation building

15:42

war? He was for he was against the first

15:44

Gulf where I believe. He was for

15:46

the second, you know, W.

15:48

Iraq invasion, which was a nation

15:50

building. experiment he

15:52

-- Yeah. -- granted. But when

15:53

it came time to realize

15:56

the folly of that, he was

15:59

the

15:59

critique

16:00

for wanting to leave.

16:03

Yeah. Well, he only wanted to leave

16:05

after it was it it support for it. cratered

16:07

in the United States and Poland. It was never he's

16:10

he's constantly just following

16:12

whatever wherever the Democratic, you know, the center of

16:14

the Democratic Party goes. just to

16:16

keep spineless on on foreign policy issues.

16:18

But in in any event, I think we should go

16:20

to item two. So there's news that

16:22

the New York Attorney General is

16:24

filing charges, not against simply

16:26

Donald Trump, but his basically, his entire

16:28

family and executives of his

16:30

company for inflating their

16:33

their their worth I think personal

16:35

worth in an effort to get

16:37

loans from big banks.

16:39

What's

16:41

her name? Latisha

16:43

Latisha James. I think.

16:44

Latisha James. Yeah. Yeah. She ran

16:46

for she was for a very short time.

16:48

She ran for, I believe, it was governor. basically

16:52

on a platform that she would prosecute Donald

16:56

Trump. This is a civil suit,

16:58

so I believe that you can all it's only defines,

17:00

you know, involve no jail time

17:03

if people are found guilty. But what do you make

17:05

of this? I

17:07

think it's, like, just a horrific

17:10

unAmerican thing to

17:11

do. You know, when she ran for office,

17:14

she said if you vote for

17:16

me, I'll figure out a

17:18

crime that I can

17:18

charge Trump with. She

17:20

was unable to do that. Now she's got this

17:22

civil suit going against Trump.

17:24

for something that just seems like extremely

17:27

weak or if it's

17:29

not weak could be prosecuted

17:31

against like a a million New

17:34

York. And it

17:36

the that we really

17:37

have a problem with Democrats'

17:40

attack on rule of law.

17:42

all

17:42

done, by the way, in the name of rule

17:44

of law, which is particularly

17:47

insulting. Biden

17:50

himself has signaled that he wants in

17:52

jail. He wants to put the republican

17:55

party in jail. And they're doing all

17:57

sorts of things to accomplish this, you

17:59

know,

17:59

with the

18:00

J6 Committee with the

18:03

Grand jury in DC, with the Grand jury in

18:05

Fulton County, with this New York

18:07

AG, with his speech

18:09

where he kinda said it's okay to do whatever

18:11

you need to do against Republicans. And

18:13

by the way, someone

18:15

took someone presumably

18:17

billie caught wind

18:19

of these

18:20

this type of way of

18:23

talking, and we just had a

18:25

report of a man killing a

18:27

teenager. And when he called it in to nine and

18:29

one one to admit that he had done

18:31

this, he said that he was an extremist

18:33

republican, which is Biden

18:35

rhetoric. In their pursuit

18:37

of Republicans and trying to put them in

18:39

jail, they're going against, you

18:42

know,

18:42

six amendment

18:44

right to

18:44

fair legal representation. There's an all

18:46

out war to keep Republicans from

18:49

having legal representation. This is a

18:51

highly funded effort. It has

18:53

a name, Project sixty five where they're

18:55

trying to disbar any

18:57

effective Republican attorney.

18:59

They right after the twenty twenty

19:01

election, they moved

19:02

to get commitments

19:03

from every major law firm that they would

19:05

not represent Republicans in election

19:08

disputes. You have attacks

19:10

on freedom of speech. I mean, some of these

19:12

grand jury actions against

19:15

people

19:16

directly, and not just freedom of speech, but

19:18

the speech and debate clause of

19:21

the constitution trying to haul people in to

19:23

disclose what kind of research they did before they

19:25

voted as a senator like has happened to

19:27

Lindsey Graham. There

19:29

are tax on freedom of assembly. They are

19:31

subpoenaing and weaponizing law

19:33

enforcement to go against people who have

19:35

held lawful political assemblies

19:39

to redress grievances with

19:41

their government, and they're tying them with

19:43

people who've done unlawful rioting,

19:45

which is not

19:45

okay. And how

19:47

about how about citizens like

19:50

the my pillow guy who whose

19:52

phone they they take, and and and for what

19:54

reason we don't still know. Right?

19:55

they're taking things without supplying

19:58

the warrants,

19:59

and they've done that for high level attorneys and

20:01

low level just, you know, people.

20:04

and it is killing speech.

20:06

It is a violation of speech.

20:08

They're oh, they all they have, like, had

20:11

a history of going after communications, privileged communications

20:13

between Republicans and their lawyers. And this

20:15

is like unprecedented what

20:18

we've seen here. This goes back a couple years. And then linking

20:20

those communications to friendly

20:22

propagandists at The New York Times or

20:24

Washington Post. I mean,

20:26

This is

20:27

this is horrifying.

20:30

And I

20:30

understand, you know, people look at this and they go,

20:32

okay, they figured out that

20:34

the Republican Party has figured out how to

20:36

have, like, an effective political coalition.

20:38

Conservative populism is very powerful,

20:40

very large, and can win elections.

20:43

We've gotta stop that. And understand the desire to

20:45

stop your political opponent, but there should

20:47

be some restraint here

20:50

and there's no restraint. I mean,

20:52

there are literally trying to

20:54

jail Republicans. It's

20:57

dollars. It's banana Republic.

20:59

It's third third world country. It's

21:01

horrifying.

21:01

it. There was no restraint. It

21:04

also muddies

21:05

the waters of of of

21:08

of actual prosecutions that should

21:10

should be undertaken that matter and

21:12

ones that don't. No one trusts

21:14

anyone anymore. But also, I think part

21:16

of this that we saw with with

21:18

Biden's speech speech a couple of weeks ago is

21:20

that the dehumanization of of your

21:22

political opponents. It's

21:24

just part of it. Every every time I I write

21:26

about how I I

21:28

think constitutional rights to do

21:30

process of an undermined. Like on Twitter, elsewhere,

21:32

I get a hundred people telling me that these

21:34

are fascist who are undermined. demography. So

21:36

anything is justified. Okay. And that is essentially

21:38

the excuse and justification for

21:40

literally every authoritarian regime that's

21:43

ever existed. Now I'm not saying we're

21:45

we're there yet, but, you know, like

21:47

I try to avoid using the word

21:49

Stalinist even though I know what what

21:51

you mean. show trials and so

21:53

forth. But I mean, the

21:56

rationalizations are are

21:58

are often quite the same if if the outcomes are

22:00

not the same yet. Thanks. fully. But

22:02

yeah. I mean, this is just something

22:05

I just don't know where it goes.

22:07

Like, I the other day or quite often actually,

22:09

I think, went Donald Trump wins the election in twenty twenty

22:11

five. Where do we go from here? What kind

22:13

of reaction would there be to that? And I

22:15

I just I just think the whole country falls apart

22:17

at that point. I just don't I I think

22:19

governors won't listen to court rulings. I think you're

22:22

gonna have a bureaucracy

22:24

that essentially, as they

22:26

almost did or basically did against

22:28

Trump won, first term, it's a

22:30

coup when you don't listen to the

22:32

president and you do what you want. That's a coup. That's

22:34

far more in line with the

22:36

definition of a coup when the military

22:38

is calling China because they don't like what the

22:40

president's talking about. Right? Like Milli

22:42

did. I mean, these are actions these

22:44

are really seditious actions in many ways.

22:46

So I can't find a word stretious

22:49

obviously comes with a lot of baggage,

22:51

but I'm just saying I don't know what a better word

22:53

for that is. Howard Bauchner:

22:54

You see all these people doing

22:57

all these things.

22:59

And I think it terrifies a lot of people in the

23:01

country, but probably not,

23:03

you know, probably the vast majority of people in the country are

23:05

completely uninformed about what's going

23:07

on. And then if they do have any

23:09

information, it's filtered through a

23:11

propaganda press. So

23:13

there are a lot of people who

23:15

are extremely worried about, like, the demise of

23:17

the country, the demise of all

23:19

these values that we are supposed to

23:22

hold and constitution principles. You know, it's a

23:24

lot of people, but it's still probably like thirty

23:26

percent of the country. It's an

23:27

important subset I don't

23:30

even know, like, how to operate in a

23:32

system where

23:33

only a smaller portion are

23:36

truly informed about the thrust to our

23:38

system.

23:38

Like,

23:39

if

23:40

if the Trump justice

23:43

department went after

23:45

Michael Moore and with basically

23:47

no real warrant went after his

23:50

communications and decided that they could look at all his

23:52

stuff because he said stuff that

23:54

they say is, you

23:56

know, undermines democracy or whatever, like they

23:58

had with Mike Glendale, I would

23:59

be pretty mad about

24:00

that. I'd wanna know why. And

24:03

that's saying I'm some highly principled guy. This would

24:05

have just been the normal position of

24:07

normal people forever in this country.

24:10

It hasn't happened since cancera Wilson was putting people

24:12

anti war protesters in jail. So

24:14

now though, Mike Glendale has this,

24:16

you know, is is surrounded

24:19

by the FBI in a parking lot as he's coming

24:21

out of parties or whatever. And not a single I

24:23

don't see a single principled liberal say, shouldn't

24:25

there be a really good reason for this? He's a private

24:27

citizen. you have some wacky opinions. That's not

24:30

okay.

24:30

Matt Tavy did a couple part

24:32

series on all the violations

24:34

of due process that are happening and all these

24:36

like, terrifying things as part of the campaign to

24:38

jail Republicans. And he

24:40

noted that the feedback he got from the left

24:42

was not good. It was, like,

24:45

what happened to you, man? You used

24:47

to care about civil liberties and now you

24:49

care about civil liberties. What

24:51

happened to you? And he was pointing out

24:53

like, obviously they're the ones who changed. He did worry

24:55

about the civil liberties violations during

24:57

the global war on terror.

25:00

When

25:00

the left was you

25:02

know, he thought being pretty principled in opposition to

25:04

those things. But now they don't care at

25:07

all. And you

25:09

know They're even being he as you put it out, they're

25:12

even being more

25:14

compliant with the

25:16

security state. than the right ever

25:18

was. Like, the right would poo poo

25:20

some of the problems with it, but they

25:22

acknowledge that it wouldn't be a

25:24

problem if you were violating civil liberties,

25:26

whereas the left is just like anything is

25:28

justified to get the object of my hatred,

25:30

which are republicans. Yeah. I mean, I'm an

25:32

older guy, but every time I retweet, like,

25:34

Glenn Greenwald. I'm like, I can't believe I'm doing this. You know what I mean?

25:36

Like, I used to hate that guy. You know

25:38

what? He had the funniest

25:41

tweet couple days ago where he said he

25:42

so he's been dealing with some issues with his

25:45

family illness and stuff. So he's kind of been

25:47

offline a lot, but he said, I've been offline

25:49

for forty eight hours. So

25:51

How are the migrants holding up in Martha's Vineyard?

25:53

Have they all gotten homes? Are they

25:55

all being supported by the locals? And it

25:57

was just a joke about how

25:59

of course, the locals

26:02

in Martha's Vineyard could not

26:04

handle

26:04

literally fifty illegal

26:07

immigrants for even forty eight hours,

26:09

which

26:09

remains such

26:11

an amazing story. I

26:14

have never I don't

26:16

understand how they couldn't hold it together

26:18

just to seem like they

26:20

weren't monstrous people.

26:23

You're not

26:23

actually story is not just no.

26:25

I loved it. I loved it. I

26:27

I have

26:28

to say that there's an actually a link between

26:30

the two things. that we were just talking about now. And that

26:33

is that on the left, on the progressive

26:35

left, it's taken over to the Democratic Party.

26:37

There is this And and this is a

26:39

huge problem in the United States. I think it's sort

26:42

of imputed almost every issue we talk

26:44

about is that they want

26:46

two different sets of rules for

26:48

themselves and for their political opposition. And

26:50

when you talk about immigration, the

26:53

idea that fifty people

26:56

could could cause fifty migrants sent

26:58

to Martha's Vineyard. Have you ever been there? I've been there.

27:00

It is just -- Wow. -- mergers. I

27:02

don't have your money in well,

27:05

prestige. drove up there once when

27:07

I was very young. But anyway, it

27:11

is beautiful. And

27:13

the idea that a store. The

27:15

same day as those fifty migrants.

27:18

And by the way, you know, they're called migrants.

27:20

And obviously, I am very

27:22

sympathetic to to to what they want in their

27:24

cause. But really a lot of illegal

27:26

immigrants just gave the system now in demand

27:28

amnesty when they when they get over the

27:30

border. So you know, so so that we

27:32

can't call them illegal anymore. But that whatever

27:34

that's fine. The same day that

27:36

happened, a thousand migrants were

27:38

dropped off in the middle of El Paso to fend

27:40

for themselves I could literally there was

27:42

literally one story in the Texas newspaper and that

27:44

was it. It is it is

27:46

just mind blowing that they think this is an issue

27:48

that they're winning, which they seem to think,

27:50

you know, you know, all the

27:52

columnists seem to think that this is backfired

27:54

onto Santos. I don't buy that at all. I think

27:56

this is a winning issue. I hope they keep

27:58

doing it. you know, a

27:59

couple of states shouldn't bear the the

28:02

huge burden of

28:04

of millions, literally millions of people

28:07

streaming over a border that is not

28:09

secure. And Mollie, I am like one of the

28:11

most pro immigrant people you

28:13

will meet. My parents were were immigrants,

28:15

they were refugees. but we cannot have

28:18

anarchy. This is just not a normal country

28:20

does not work that way.

28:21

By the way, it really chaffes my mind

28:23

when people conflate immigration with illegal border

28:26

crossings. I have many

28:28

immigrants in my family.

28:31

I love immigration.

28:34

I think it's great like

28:36

a slumber country and I like how

28:38

how we're united on

28:40

a different approach to

28:43

government. We're also a country with borders.

28:45

And rule of law is a really

28:47

important thing that that begins

28:49

your citizenship. here. And

28:51

if you don't follow the laws, it's an

28:53

it's an it's an attack on the

28:55

country too. So It

28:58

just bothers me when people complain like they're --

29:00

Sure. -- immigration story

29:02

with illegal immigration, particularly,

29:04

you know, certain certain forms of it. I

29:07

noticed that there was this democrat activist

29:10

sheriff in Texas who did the same thing that

29:12

we're talking about with a teacher James

29:14

and Joe Biden and all these people. He said, like, I

29:16

don't know if any law was broken

29:18

or what law was broken, but I'm

29:20

gonna find it. and I'm

29:22

you I'm gonna go after the scientists

29:25

for doing this. That's

29:27

not how the law works

29:29

in this country. That's a very that

29:31

is a Stalinist approach, you know. You show

29:33

me the man. I'll show you the crime.

29:36

And we need to make sure

29:39

that we continue to not allow

29:41

this criminalization of political

29:42

opposition. I saw

29:45

this person say that So

29:48

some people say, they really didn't

29:50

like that people were saying

29:52

that militarized or, like,

29:55

military people rounded up these illegal

29:57

immigrants and traffic

29:59

them to the base that they're being held at

30:01

because, like, the national guard is

30:03

good. And I was, like, if you

30:05

don't understand what people are doing having fun

30:07

with this language, you know, this is

30:09

this is constantly how people talk

30:11

about any attempt to deal with the massive

30:14

crisis of having

30:15

an open border, they'll

30:17

say. Though

30:18

the trafficking in humans or the military

30:20

was wrapping them up, or their you know, remember that story about

30:22

the the guys

30:23

on horseback who were accused

30:25

of the burden of

30:26

whipping people, which wasn't true.

30:29

it never was true and yet they still were

30:31

disciplined somehow for doing something that

30:33

didn't happen. But on

30:35

the other hand, it was really great that

30:37

so many Americans figured like, right away what this story

30:39

was about. I was traveling, oh,

30:41

I can't tell you a crazy story.

30:43

I was traveling at

30:45

the time that this story was breaking. And I was

30:48

just listening to people on my

30:50

airplanes and in the airport and

30:52

everyone was talking about it and

30:54

chuckling about about it. And I never hear a story

30:56

breakthrough that way. You know, people like

30:58

us are weird when we talk about politics all the time,

31:00

but this was just like in the

31:02

general conversation. This does remind

31:04

me that I sat next

31:06

to Eric

31:07

Bachman on a plane.

31:10

Tell

31:10

me that guy's great. He's

31:12

great in Silicon Valley. Yeah.

31:15

I

31:15

so I didn't know much about him

31:18

other than, like, thinking he beat someone

31:20

up for

31:20

being a Trump voter. He beat up

31:22

his Uber driver once for being a Trump

31:25

voter, and

31:26

he once called in a bomb

31:28

threat to I thought it was a plane, but

31:30

it was a train. So as soon as

31:32

I realized he was sitting next to

31:34

me, I was both very excited because

31:36

I like him and I loved him in

31:39

Silicon Valley and the show just was nothing

31:41

without him, but I was

31:43

also scared. because I was wearing a shirt that

31:45

said, like, choose life on it.

31:47

And I'm like, he's gonna beat me

31:49

up. But he

31:49

didn't Did you sign a copy of a rig

31:51

and give it to him? He was

31:54

reading

31:54

a Steven Hawking

31:55

book too, which was funny. Nobody's

31:58

up to

31:59

now. Yeah. Oh,

32:02

I know what he's up to. was up to a comedy tour

32:04

in Fort Wayne, which is how you end up on a

32:06

puddle jumper next to Eric

32:09

Bachman. TJ

32:11

Miller. TJ Miller.

32:12

Yeah. He was also a deadpool,

32:14

I think. And

32:15

office Christmas party, which is, you

32:17

know, not the most moral film

32:19

I've ever watched. But that's

32:21

a Jason Bateman movie, I believe. Yes.

32:23

There you go.

32:26

Okay. One quick let's do

32:28

one more political item.

32:29

if we could because I like to

32:32

mock

32:32

betterment quite a bit in Pennsylvania. So I just

32:34

wanted to say George Will, you

32:37

know, old school

32:41

conservative. Right? The guy who's been around a long

32:43

time. Why'd you made that

32:45

face? So I don't know how to do this.

32:46

help me for my faces. this

32:48

is an audio only podcast. I am

32:51

sad about what happened to George Well, but

32:53

go on. Okay.

32:53

So he wrote a column essentially.

32:57

raising doctor Oz for being basically an immigrant,

33:00

for for achieving a lot on his own, for being

33:02

a self made man, and

33:04

dinged I always forget Federin's

33:06

first name. I wanna say like Skip. Let's call

33:08

Skip Federman. It looks like.

33:10

So Skip Federman says, you

33:12

know, is constantly mocking him for for his

33:15

success for his houses. I think we spoke about

33:17

this couple of weeks ago where I

33:19

only if people are more successful than me and I'm not sure John Federman

33:21

actually meets that criteria. Maybe

33:23

he does. I don't know. Do your parents

33:26

support your career right now. because if

33:28

not, we're more successful than There

33:30

you go. Yeah. Though I don't know I could be elected

33:32

for as governor of any town in America,

33:34

but in any event,

33:37

the I

33:38

was surprised to read that, and I feel like

33:40

doctor Oz has momentum going his way.

33:42

Obviously, he's running against the guy who was insane

33:44

before he had a stroke, and now he's

33:47

incoherent, so he should be

33:49

winning. But,

33:50

you know, I

33:51

just thought that was interesting. I

33:53

do I find it interesting. You know, I'm not I

33:55

think I mentioned before that if

33:57

I had been a voter in

33:59

the

33:59

Pennsylvania senate primary,

34:02

my candidate was, like,

34:05

nowhere even near the top three

34:07

contenders. So I'm, you

34:09

know, I'm not someone who completely

34:11

understood the ah's approach, but

34:13

I had later written a critique

34:15

of Mitch McConnell's

34:18

absolutely ASA nine trashing of his party's voters

34:20

for the candidates that they picked in

34:22

these various senate primaries. And

34:24

I thought it was, you know,

34:28

I'm saying something that's obvious to everyone

34:30

outside of DC, but very

34:32

controversial within DC. You

34:34

don't trash your party's voters for who they

34:36

pick at the end of the game. Like, that's not the right time to do it.

34:39

Mitch McConnell clearly lost on some of his picks that

34:41

he wanted. He wanted more establishment

34:44

figures who would do his bidding

34:46

and the Republican voters picked people

34:48

who they did not view as fitting

34:50

into that camp. But not being

34:53

establishment is not a bad thing in this cycle. Like, seventy five percent

34:55

of the country solidly no

34:58

matter, like, what the poll? So things like seventy

35:00

to eighty

35:02

percent no matter what the polls say they don't like the direction of the country.

35:04

They are not looking for more DC

35:06

in their DC solution matrix.

35:10

So having a bunch of outsider candidates, whether it's like JD bands

35:12

or Blake Masters or Hershel

35:15

Walker or Mammoth, ah,

35:18

is not a bad thing in a year like this. And I said that

35:20

and people were like, you think Memmett

35:22

Oz is, you know, not a

35:24

clown. And I'm like,

35:27

Just

35:27

on the heart surgery alone, he's

35:29

clearly an accomplished

35:32

figure.

35:32

Right? Yeah.

35:32

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's guess

35:34

he's done some things that say with clownish

35:37

a little bit, but I

35:40

overall, he's he's

35:42

an impressive guy and the way his life has been impressive and the

35:44

things he's accomplished have have been impressive.

35:46

And, you know, my

35:49

problem with him is that I'm not

35:51

sure he believes the things that he's saying and

35:54

sometimes voters can sense

35:56

that. I think he's gotten better

35:58

lately when I see him.

35:59

in in in playing

36:00

the role of a conservative. I think

36:02

he's probably much more moderate than he

36:05

leads on. I I wanted to add to

36:07

this conversation, and I think we spoke about

36:09

this a little bit last week is that I keep hearing it is

36:11

embedded in every single mainstream media or

36:14

establishment media

36:16

story that the Dobbs' decision

36:18

and abortion is killing Republicans. It's

36:20

undermining their chances of winning the

36:23

House, the Senate. presidency, they're

36:26

gonna pay for it forever. And it is

36:28

literally not born

36:30

out in any evidence, not in polling

36:32

evidence other than when you asked them strictly about abortion, which is

36:34

always a loaded question. But putting

36:36

that aside, what race have

36:38

Republicans lost ground on in

36:42

the last? you know, month or two. I can't think of a single one.

36:44

They've constantly been making up

36:46

ground on a lot of these in a lot of these

36:48

senate races. a

36:50

two point there's a two point differentiation

36:52

from then to now in

36:54

the generic Republican house race

36:56

polls. That could have to do with

36:59

lowering gas prices. It doesn't necessarily have to do

37:01

with dov. This is just and and people fall

37:03

through this, and I see conservative saying it, like,

37:05

it's a truth. It's not. It's

37:07

simply not. And talked about this too, but

37:09

Lindsey fifteen build It was not a single republican

37:12

either. Yeah.

37:14

It should've

37:15

it should've helped giving them

37:17

something to talk about and differentiate themselves from

37:20

Democrats. I do wonder though if

37:22

you're not realizing

37:24

that there are states and

37:26

districts where, you know,

37:28

planned parenthood and various other abortion

37:30

radicals and

37:32

Democrats are making it

37:34

impossible to even exist in a

37:36

TV or Internet space without a

37:38

constant message on

37:40

abortion. And

37:42

that that is included in races where the Democrat

37:44

is going to do very well. I

37:46

don't know, you know, I know that doesn't directly address

37:48

this issue of whether it will

37:50

cause losses, but, you know, you look at a race like Michigan

37:53

where Gretchen Whitmer who's a really

37:55

bad governor and who did a lot of really

37:57

bad things during Coke

37:59

it is up

37:59

big. Now, probably she's up

38:02

big because, like, the FBI didn't

38:04

just help her by running that Fed

38:06

mapping plot. They also took out

38:08

her primary opponent, I think, by

38:10

charging him, you know, the

38:12

department just charged him for attending

38:14

the January

38:16

sixth. protest, there were shenanigans, sort of, like, weird

38:18

shenanigans that took out the

38:20

next three top contenders. So,

38:24

like, only is Dobbs that is giving Gretchen Whitmer the help

38:26

so much as the FBI and other, you know,

38:28

forces like that. But

38:30

she's definitely running on and I like

38:32

to I

38:34

like to this member unborn baby's kind of platform. It doesn't

38:36

seem to be hurting her.

38:38

Yeah, I think there's also a

38:38

bunch of people out there in the

38:41

world. who are conservative, who are very

38:43

happy that Dobbs happened and who want more,

38:45

you know, don't want the Supreme Court

38:48

overturned, you know, and and worry

38:50

about the senate and worry worry about things like that.

38:52

And are for national bill. Oh.

38:54

because I'm I think that most people who

38:56

who's who

38:58

are single issue voters on abortion are not changing from

39:00

party to party, and those are the people most

39:02

animated by this kind of decision.

39:04

The other thing

39:05

that people never remember is

39:08

what a crisis it would have been

39:10

for the pro life movement, which exists

39:12

in both parties, but primarily in the Republican

39:14

Party because of how hostile democrats

39:17

have been to the cause of life.

39:19

How devastating to that

39:22

movement and its political

39:24

the power power

39:26

if if

39:27

jobs had not overturned

39:30

row. Meaning, I actually think a bunch of people

39:32

would have just checked out of the political process

39:34

entirely. probably question the legitimacy

39:36

of the supreme court. We would

39:38

be on an even worse level

39:40

of of a situation

39:43

in terms of, like, civil Now

39:45

it would have been disaster.

39:46

And so Especially, Kevin,

39:48

I would have undermined it. I mean,

39:51

after the fight, after everyone stood up for

39:53

him. Well, III realized that it's

39:55

a place of

39:56

Fifty years of supporting me

39:58

institution and believing that if you really did get

40:00

people on the court who cared about the constitution that

40:02

justice would be done, and if it

40:04

weren't done, then it would be like,

40:07

we gotta figure out something else because we've got this

40:09

human rights crisis. And so

40:11

people never remember the quiet

40:14

and polite pro

40:16

life community. but they're powerful and it would have been a big deal if they

40:18

hadn't been able to do this. I mean, the

40:19

the last it would have been despair like there was

40:21

at the end of the

40:24

of the a second Bush term, w Bush term, where I I

40:26

felt like no one cared about, you

40:28

know, Republicans had checked out. They

40:30

didn't kick there anymore.

40:32

They had law kept losing battles. The

40:34

president said he had to save the free market by

40:36

destroying it or whatever. I mean, it was just like

40:38

one disaster after the next.

40:40

Yeah. Okay. last item. This is a hugely

40:42

important discussion

40:44

we're about to have in my my belief.

40:46

You were gonna ask me

40:49

about a piece I wrote

40:51

just today about my

40:54

favorite filmmaker.

40:56

Yeah. I

40:56

didn't want you

40:57

to write this piece. You your

41:00

bravest stance possibly is

41:03

your stalwart defense. of Woody

41:06

Allen. That is not a popular

41:08

thing to say

41:08

or My my bravest my bravest stance is my

41:10

defense of the designated hitter in

41:13

baseball. Oh,

41:13

that's not brave at all. We all You

41:15

don't think so. Wait.

41:16

You you defend the designated hit.

41:18

Yeah. That's every

41:18

I'm happy that it was forced

41:21

on everyone and Oh, So

41:24

that's the most anger. That's I

41:27

I see it. Yeah. That's not a

41:29

problem.

41:29

But you did a defense of Woody

41:31

Allen who has been canceled for

41:33

a really complicated story.

41:36

So why are you willing to go out there and

41:38

defend Woody Allen

41:40

so much? Well, first of

41:40

all, I just wanna say that, you know, the reason it

41:42

was canceled was that his daughter his

41:46

his wife in nineteen ninety one, I believe, made

41:48

a fair or it accused him

41:50

of molesting their

41:52

adopted

41:53

daughter. The

41:55

New

41:55

York, you

41:58

know, no No one that

41:59

the

41:59

was no one had found that

42:02

accusation credible. So the New

42:04

York Department of Social Services

42:06

did not the Connecticut police

42:08

did not. The Yale, New Haven

42:10

hospital, sex abuse clinic did not. There

42:12

were reports out and studies out

42:14

and so on. So I

42:16

defend him in the sense that he's accused of something that there no

42:18

credible evidence to support.

42:20

I do not defend him in

42:23

the sense that when you're fifty six years old and you marry your

42:26

nineteen year old, the step daughter, you know, the

42:28

stepdaughter of your girlfriend, long term

42:30

girlfriend, that

42:32

is creepy. I will say that they've been married, I think, now over

42:34

twenty years, and they have two adopted children.

42:36

So it's, you know, it is what it

42:38

is. Defend

42:40

him, him on

42:42

on on, you know, on that and I defend him

42:44

as being perhaps our greatest, not perhaps I

42:46

think our greatest director, greatest American directors

42:48

ever lived. He has created and

42:51

made didn't read more interesting

42:54

quality films than any

42:56

director. I'm not saying he's made the

42:58

best film in any

43:00

genre or any people overall. You think

43:02

being

43:02

a Jew from New York is coloring your

43:04

view here at all? A

43:05

hundred percent, it is coloring

43:08

my view. So IIII write that in the piece.

43:10

I I realized it's not for

43:12

everyone. But simply because let's say

43:14

I read a

43:16

book about Christianity.

43:18

Right? I read something up

43:20

by Chesterton or whatever. And it's

43:23

amazing. And just simply because it does not

43:25

speak to me in the way that it

43:27

speaks to to to a to a Christian,

43:29

does not believe does not mean

43:31

that I cannot find value in it, and

43:33

it does not mean that I cannot be impressed

43:35

by the writing and it does not and the craft and

43:37

it does not mean that I cannot

43:39

admit that it's a great work. Do you

43:41

agree with that? Absolutely.

43:43

I actually I mean,

43:45

I agree with you on a lot of

43:47

these things, including I I enjoy

43:50

several Woody Allen films. I have not watched as many

43:52

as you have actually didn't watch the

43:54

one that you said you'd watched a hundred times in the month. Yeah. So or half

43:56

I seen that. I don't think I have. I

43:59

the

44:00

hi I

44:03

hate what happened to his family. You know, I think that was

44:05

a very that that entire situation was just

44:07

a horrible mess, like, from

44:09

the get go.

44:12

and I understand divorce is extremely difficult. I

44:15

agree with you on the

44:17

lack of support. You did say no

44:19

one finds her credible, and

44:22

I do think some of her siblings have said that they believe her

44:24

even if they don't, you know, personally have

44:26

evidence to support it, not that that, you

44:28

know, who

44:30

knows what all of that means. She also has siblings who

44:32

don't, who who are who are very close to

44:34

the situation, meaning, like, there on the day it

44:36

supposedly happened who say that

44:38

they don't believe

44:40

it. It's a horrible

44:42

thing. And life is full of,

44:44

you know, lots of

44:46

horrible things.

44:48

And you

44:48

know, we may never know all sorts

44:50

of things about the family drama

44:53

or

44:53

trauma. But

44:56

I

44:56

think it's appropriate

44:59

to

45:02

receive

45:02

and interpret art. You know,

45:05

not like, incomplete ignorance of who a person

45:07

is, but with, like, a humility about what you

45:09

can or can't know about what that who that

45:11

person is, and also how their art might be separate

45:13

from who they are as

45:14

a person. Yeah. I struggle

45:16

with that sometimes. I mean, there

45:18

are certain things a person can do that

45:21

will make me just it will make it

45:23

impossible for me to enjoy the things that, you know, the art that they make.

45:25

So in other times, enough time is passed

45:27

by that, like,

45:30

if Caravaggio pain things beautiful. I don't care that he killed someone enough

45:32

time has elapsed, and then there's people

45:34

like Raul Dahl, for instance,

45:36

who's an anti semite, whose

45:39

work is just for kids. It's just wonderful, and it has none

45:41

of that hatred in it. So I don't really care that

45:44

much. Yes. I think

45:45

that's that's where it

45:47

gets a little confounding,

45:48

like, for me, if I'm watching a Woody Allen film and it's about,

45:50

you know, a nineteen year old girl falling

45:52

in love with a creepy old man or whatever,

45:54

I'm like, there's a

45:56

lot of that. a that. No

45:58

doubt. So so

45:59

I get

45:59

I get why it's distasteful for some

46:02

people, but I just think that the man is

46:04

a genius. What's

46:05

the angriest you've made someone

46:07

by your defense of Woody

46:10

Allen? Well, today,

46:11

I've been being people just call

46:13

them stuff like that, you know, like,

46:15

okay, groomer, that

46:18

whole schtick. I

46:20

I think I I think I'm pretty evenhanded about it

46:22

and I and I concede that that it's not for

46:25

everyone. I concede that he's a he's a creepy

46:27

dude and his marriage is

46:30

was creepy. But I don't think

46:32

creepy

46:32

enough not

46:33

to admire his work, and I love his work. And

46:36

No. Your headline should have

46:38

been creepy.

46:38

creepy enough for cancellation. Well,

46:41

I wanna say, listen,

46:41

I'm not the, like, the funniest guy on Earth,

46:44

and I write about politics, but I have to say,

46:46

you know, he had a

46:48

big influence on me when I was young. Like, I loved his movies when I was, like,

46:50

seven and eight already. And I just had a big

46:52

influence. I think about this some

46:54

some of the cynicism I have or some

46:56

of the you

46:58

know, the way I view the world in many ways. I mean, bananas was my

47:00

favorite movie as a as a kid. I

47:02

love in death. I love that sleeper in these

47:04

movies. I just watched them over and over. And

47:08

so yeah. But, I mean, that's what we're critics. Right? And

47:10

when we make our case, you know -- Yeah. --

47:12

for for what we appreciate people for the

47:14

good

47:15

that they've done. And that

47:16

doesn't mean you have to support the bad that they've done. Absolutely.

47:18

No, I don't know,

47:20

like, do you have anything that you've been watching?

47:22

I know you've been really busy.

47:24

have been

47:25

traveling all over. I do wanna say really quickly, and I know you have to go

47:27

here. I was in Fort Wayne as I mentioned,

47:29

and there was this radius. First of

47:31

all, Fort Wayne I've

47:34

always thought of as a not so great city. It's small city in

47:37

Northeastern Indiana. And this trip, it was

47:39

so much fun and it's

47:42

gotten, like, oddly cool, which is

47:44

weird, but they also had

47:46

this radio station that I was

47:48

listening to that kept on calling itself like

47:52

progressive, indie music or

47:54

something. But then you know how when there's a competing

47:56

radio station on the same portion of

47:58

the dial, it'll kinda like go back

47:59

and forth. Mhmm.

48:01

There was a competing station that

48:04

was also good. So usually, it's

48:06

like a talk station competing with class

48:08

analytics. But these were two Indy

48:10

rock stations competing with each other. It

48:12

was very confusing to me, so I ended up

48:14

looking it up. And one was out of the

48:16

Ocean, The

48:18

other one was run by a high school in

48:20

Fort Wayne, and I'm telling you it was

48:22

the best station I have heard in

48:25

so long. Like, it wasn't just they had music. I hadn't

48:27

really heard before. Like, maybe artists I

48:29

heard before, but different

48:31

songs from them. also the the what

48:33

was playing one after another was so good, and it was run it

48:36

said it was entirely

48:38

student run. frankly believe

48:40

it. I think there's got to be some like

48:43

amazing teacher who's

48:45

running the station who has excellent taste,

48:47

or I wanna meet the kids who doing this.

48:50

Wow. I think it was ninety

48:53

one point one. Is

48:55

there do

48:56

you remember any of the bands or anything like that?

49:00

I I like Shazam.

49:00

Everything do you know where you do

49:02

Shazam so that you can find out what

49:05

a

49:05

song is? Oh,

49:06

no. I've never done that. Oh. Do

49:08

you ever have a thing where you're like, I like

49:10

this song? Yeah.

49:11

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard of it, but

49:13

I've never never done it. And know what's funny? It's like, I

49:15

don't remember the last time I listened to the radio.

49:17

I never listened to the

49:19

radio anymore. Mhmm.

49:20

Okay. I have a

49:22

bunch of different ones here, false hope by

49:24

Laura Marling. A lot's gonna change

49:26

by Wey's blood, Gary Ashy

49:30

dry cleaning, wildfires, salt. Yeah.

49:32

There was also just, like, the Empire weekend

49:34

of Montreal, myth

49:36

Mitsky.

49:38

Alright. The

49:40

national. I don't know.

49:41

It was just it was good. I

49:43

had I found a

49:44

great day now. It is so nice.

49:46

one rise at Co Alina.

49:48

And it was some, like and looked it up was not real song. It

49:51

was, like, some random named

49:53

Alex Tatiance doing and it

49:55

was really good, though.

49:58

Sorry.

49:58

Go on. No. I was just gonna

49:59

say to close things

50:01

close shop that I

50:04

have I found a

50:06

really great vinyl

50:08

version of modest mouse to load some crowded west, which is

50:10

one of the I'm not a huge fan of

50:12

that band, but that album I think is

50:15

one of the great And and I yeah.

50:17

And I got it for, like, ten bucks? It's an

50:19

original. No. I never get to say that. I never

50:21

get to say that. Congratulations.

50:24

Thank you, and thanks everyone for

50:26

listening again. Be it, lovers of freedom

50:28

and anxious for

50:30

the fun.