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forward slash live more. Today's
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clip is from episode 278 of
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the podcast with natural
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lifestyle coach and
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record breaking barefoot endurance athlete
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Tony Riddle. The
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Tony believes that through connecting with
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nature and our natural state, we
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can experience greater health and happiness.
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In this clip, he shares a
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simple daily habit to help us
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calm the fight or flight stress
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response system and manage the buildup
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of daily stress. I
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think a lot of us don't realize that our
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daily experience of life is hugely influenced
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by the state of our nervous system.
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Right. And if you are constantly
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up regulated, so your stress, you
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know, your fight or flight system effectively is
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on a lot of the time. You're
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going to see things differently. You're going to be reactive.
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You know, you're going to see danger when there is
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actual no physical danger, but you are
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going to see it and proceed. it and
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just understanding that when you down
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regulate when you do one or
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two minutes of a simple breathing
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practice, you just experience the same
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situation completely differently. You're probably
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not going to get as triggered. You're probably going
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to make better decisions, all kinds of things. You've
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used this term down regulation, up regulation.
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What does that mean? Up
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regulation is we could call it
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fight, flight, freeze. If
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the lion enters the
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room right now, it roars us, we will
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make a decision based on that. We haven't
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even, I imagine, we
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freeze and
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assist the lion's digestion at that point.
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That's the fight and flight response and then
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through that, to simplify what can happen is
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the immune system, there's no point in fighting off
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a cold. The immune system drops
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off. I need that energy elsewhere. Digestive
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system is a huge cost for digestion. I'll
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drop that one off because I need the
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energy again perhaps to fight or run away.
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Reproductive system is another one. No point in
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reproducing another bam bam in the world if
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I'm going to be eaten by a lion.
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Those are very
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costly systems. Those will
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be dropped off to fuel my system to enable
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me to fight or
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flight. Then down regulation
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is this rest and
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digest. A
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rested system more
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associated with parasympathetic, that
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calm response where those systems are almost
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like rebooted in a way. If
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you think about it, it should be our
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normal growth state where we are down regulated.
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Then a cute response would be this sympathetic
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fight, flight as the lion enters because the
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lion wouldn't always be in the room with
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us. Unfortunately, our
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lifestyles today, there's
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an imaginary lion in the room. It's there
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and that for some is even an email
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or a phone call. They're
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almost like bolt-ons, aren't they? It Could be a late night. It could
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be a late night. Then a phone call. it
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could be a half going to go
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into a meeting on the unregulated about
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the meeting and than other stuff might
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be playing out from way back there
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that we haven't process Stephen So the
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down regulation been the book on bringing
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those practices in so we can find
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ways of getting pats that rest and
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digest that crystal clear stay of mine
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that growth promoting mindset. but I'm one
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person I work for a terrible relationship
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with a father. And.
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Would. Have to don't see him certain time
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to the year that was so stressed
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about it. A nicer to stop outside
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the house. Work
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on the damage elation breathing techniques nested
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long exiles the longer the xl the
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load, heart rate, blood pressure, Let's.
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Try four seconds in six seconds
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out six rounds of that. He.
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Already a minute. As a
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minute he just take a minute. I
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try. Let's do two minutes, Three minutes.
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Whatever it takes, get to the door.
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As the answer the door, you breathe out.
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Are you into the house? You breathe out
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and you maintain that the same rhythm of
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breath by nasal breathing. Know in in the
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room knows your nasal breathing or following a
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four sacks. Damningly. And
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she message back immediately afterwards and just
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oh my god I saw The experience
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has something completely different because her past
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emotions weren't playing out in that room
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for being a regular site. Simple down
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regulation practice change to her experience with
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her father. Ah yeah I think this
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is so powerful. Tiny As a daughter
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I know that arounds ninety percent of
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what we see in any given days
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and some way related to stress. I
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just and people frady get stressed still
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and understand how stress and how up
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regulates. They are much at a
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time and your experience: People who
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comes your retreats, people who seek
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you out for help, People you
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coached, When.
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They come and see you. What
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proportion of that daily life to think
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best spending. up regulation
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compared to down-regulated compared
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to, let's say, an indigenous
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tribe who are living in nature with nature.
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Can you sort of paint a picture for
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us of what that difference might look like?
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I can paint it from Bruce. So
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Bruce Parry has been with so many
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tribes now, documentary tribes, also TY. I
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had a good chat with Bruce around the
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book as well discussing Pennine
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tribe and another tribe called the Benjali tribes. They're mentioned
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in the book. They are. I love that bit with
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a Pennine tribe. I just underlined it. I thought it
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was wonderful. Amazing story. And he just expressed
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his... He just said, look, you'll get
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it, Tony, because of this right and
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left hemispheres and being down-regulated and this
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state of meditation they're
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operating in 24-7. It's
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like, even if they're in alert
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states, it's like an alert
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state that we would talk through the Wim
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Hof method, let's say, where you're using an
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up-regulating breath technique, but not to bring that
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kind of up-regulation stress to become an alert state.
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So there's a positive to that. It might be...
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Say we're having a slump in the
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afternoon, it's 3.30, I've got to jump on a podcast. I'll
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use another type of breath practice to just pick
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me up again. It just bricks me up into
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an alert state. It doesn't mean I'm stressed out,
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but it's an alert tuned
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in practice. So like a stress
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and focus as opposed to a
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stress and anxious. Yes, it's
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a different mindset. So that's what
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Bruce was explaining, that these
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indigenous tribes, again, they're moving through a landscape,
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but they're not separate to it. They're totally
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tuned into the frequency of it, right? And
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that's where they're at. Again,
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if we look at people that maybe turn up
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on retreat, they've normalized
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stress. It's like that's what they operate at
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the whole time. So it's like these
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indigenous communities that Bruce is talking about
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are normalizing downregulation,
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parasympathetic. And
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some of the attendees I see
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have normalized sympathetic. You can
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put practices within your day, you just need little
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reminders. And sometimes that's all it takes. It's a
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reminder to... breathe. It's
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a reminder maybe on the hour
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to say everyone has a minute
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out of your hour. Take one of the minutes
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away and just say, okay, here's six cycles of
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breath just to reconnect to the breath again and
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to find myself within it. Let's
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just talk people through that because a lot of
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people have heard of breath work, they've heard of
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practices, they've heard it on this show before, but
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you mentioned one with four six. So
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maybe just be super practical
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people. On the hour, you're
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recommending that they take a pause and do
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four six? Four six, six cycles. And sometimes
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you know what, don't even get obsessed by
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the counting of it. There's a breathing app
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I've recommended in the past, and
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it has a sound that picks up for
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four seconds, another sound that drops off for
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six seconds. That's called breathing app. It's so
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simple. That's one. Or it
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can just be, if you put your finger on your pulse
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for a moment and you just inhale up through your nose,
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you'll notice there's a slight pick up of the pulse. As
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you exhale and you exhale for longer, you'll notice there's a
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dropping off of the pulse. So it's
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as long as you can inhale for and
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as long as you can exhale for, but
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try and extend the exhale a little longer
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and practice six cycles. You'll be around a
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minute, right? Prior to that, just try this.
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Wherever you're sitting, it could be on the
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floor, office chair, wherever you are, just try
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and relax the pelvic basin in your lower
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abdomen, because we're also very tense down there,
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right? So we're walking around very tense. So
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try and relax that area to begin with. Allow
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your jaw to settle and your heart to
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settle. Just tune into that very simple
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language. Relax the pelvic floor, the pelvic basin,
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the lower abdomen, the jaw,
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let the shoulders go and let the heart go. Even
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that, if you just even think of that, you're already
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a step there. Like immediately the moment I think of
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that, I'm like, oh, I feel calm again. You know,
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it just comes in and drops in and
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then you breathe into that space. Breathe
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into the relaxed jaw, breathe into the relaxed
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shoulders, breathe into the lower abdomen, the pelvic
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floor and just allow all that being of
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you just to expand on the inhale and
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then don't. push your exhale so you just allow your exhale
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to go as if... So
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it's just allowing your whole being to be inflated
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with an inhale and allow the
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breath just to leave you and that's six
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cycles. That's such a simple practice. It's so
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simple isn't it? So like an alarm on
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the hour maybe on people's phones to remind
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them even if they're stuck... Post
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it, post it, no, boom, up on your screen, whatever it
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is, just remember to breathe today. It's
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just little reminders and we do need the
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reminders because again once that
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stuff starts kicking in the next email, the
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next phone call and we find ourselves up
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regulated, we're already operating from a
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different system. So sometimes we just need that little
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reminder like a little tap on the shoulder from
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your favourite uncle or aunt saying just remember to
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breathe now. Yeah. And what I
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love about that practice is
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that there's literally nobody who
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is listening to this podcast right now who couldn't do that.
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It doesn't cost any money, right? They don't have
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to buy anything. They don't even need to get an app really. You
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don't even really need to time it do you? It's
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just a rough approximation, roughly in for
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four, out for six and just do that
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for a minute. And
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what benefits is someone going to get
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if they do that? Why should they?
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I honestly believe that just those simple...
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Not like the inner work I call
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it but every relationship improves
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from you doing the inner work including
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the one with yourself, right? So
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that would mean that every relationship within your
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work environment, a home environment, will
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improve by that. It could be
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like with the lady I'm discussing you end
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as a father's home, her relationship with her
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father improves from that, right? Just
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in that moment because again, she's
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seeing him differently. She's not seeing him from what
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might have been way back there in
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childhood even because she's not operating at
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that subconscious layer. It's now she's entered
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as a conscious adult into that experience,
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not operating as maybe the six-year-old or
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the five-year-old back there. I
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guess your ability
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to think clearly, precisely. within
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a work environment. What do we
12:02
want? We want to be on our game, don't we? We want
12:04
to be able to articulate, we want to be focused,
12:07
we want to be able to deliver on
12:09
time or targets and you
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can do all of that. You could have worked better.
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You just work more efficiently, right? That's it.
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That's it in a simple form. But again,
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I think it's really down to that. For
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me, it's the relationship to every relationship improving.
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With parenting, for instance, it might even be working
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from home. I have a studio outside the house,
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so I've had this really long commute these days
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across the lawn, right? But it's
12:32
sometimes easy to forget that that's still a
12:34
work environment and I'd suddenly enter the home
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and I'm still in the email or the
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phone call. So what can we
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do? Okay, we put everything down in that moment, breath
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work, just for a moment, a minute, then
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leave that experience and leave whatever it is in
12:48
that space before entering the new space. Because again,
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the kids are waiting for you, they're waiting to see you.
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And who do they want to see? They
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want to see kind of, again, the up-regulated
12:57
pupper or the down-regulated pupper. Who have
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they been waiting for? And believe me, an hour or
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two hours is like a lifetime to kids if you've
13:04
been in that environment. It
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could be, I just could do one minute of down-regulation
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breathing where my out-breath is longer than
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my in-breath in my car. And
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then when you walk through the door, your interaction
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with your partner, with your kids, it's going to
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be completely different. It
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can stop a lot of unnecessary
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disputes or arguments. I think the other thing
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for me, Tony, as I hear that, why
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I think that's such a powerful practice also
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is because we
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get to work and we just start to
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accumulate a lot of the time stress and
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what I call micro-stress doses. And
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if you don't do anything to
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down-raking, you just keep going,
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just keep going, keep going. And by the end
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of the day, when you finished, you
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may not have done anything to pause,
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to bring everything back down again. So by the
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time you then rock up
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at home after work, whether you work from
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home or from an office, your
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state is completely different. arguably
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not the best states who then I
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was staying at my friend's space in Somerset.
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We were there for six months so we
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got to live in like a proper community
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experience and there was
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one morning I had a lot on and I'm
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just going to go to the lake. I'm just
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going to sit at the lake so I walked
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to the lake, did some breath and
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in that moment it was this simple
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language of it's a
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choice right? So you can
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choose to do the breath and appreciate
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the privilege or you can
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choose not to and feel overwhelmed and
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then I realized it was just a fine
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line between overwhelming privilege and what can help
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me navigate that path is just a simple
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