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afraid to pull the trigger on that either. That

1:05

was Elliot Wolff today meeting the media, saying,

1:08

Naz, the window is open. The

1:10

window is open and the real question is the trade

1:13

down. He says we'll trade up too. But

1:16

the real question before us is how strongly

1:18

are they considering trading down a week

1:21

from tonight? And

1:24

I think they're seriously considering it. And

1:26

I think they're seriously considering it because

1:29

there's disagreement inside the building about

1:31

what they want to do at quarterback. And

1:33

instead of forcing a decision down someone's throat,

1:37

they will try and reach consensus. And that

1:39

consensus might be a fallback candidate like Michael

1:41

Penix. Why do I consider a fallback? But

1:44

I think that is firmly in play after listening to

1:46

Elliot Wolff today and some insiders

1:48

in the last 24 hours. What

1:51

do you think? I do not have that feeling based on

1:53

that one comment. And the part of that

1:55

comment that we just played that caught my attention in

1:58

particular was we're a draft. to

2:00

develop team, the more picks the better. There you

2:02

go. I mean, that is point blank,

2:04

the more picks the better. So

2:07

to me, they don't love any of the quarterbacks.

2:09

I'm not saying they don't like any of them

2:11

or they wouldn't take any of them. I'm

2:14

just saying I don't think they love any one of them to the point

2:16

where they say, well, we'll take them to the sky and that's it. They?

2:20

Yeah, right. So do you think collectively

2:22

they feel this way? So this is my problem in

2:24

hearing this and as we get closer to the draft.

2:26

I don't think anyone's really on the same page over

2:28

there. In all my years of watching football, there's one

2:31

thing I think you need for success and that's continuity,

2:33

both on and off the field. You don't have continuity

2:35

on offensive line, it's going to be a mess. You

2:37

don't have continuity in your front office. You're going to

2:40

have a lot of discourse, people not disagreeing and then

2:42

poor decisions get made. They don't know

2:44

what the hell that they're doing before the draft is what this sounds like to me.

2:48

Do you really think so, Murray? Yeah. They don't

2:50

know what they're doing? Well, it's possible. I mean,

2:52

it's possible. I'm not disagreeing with you. So it's

2:55

going to be chain of command. So it's ultimately

2:57

going to come down to ownership slash Elliott Wolf.

3:00

But I don't know, does everyone feel

3:02

that way? That they think all the quarterbacks or

3:04

whatever. So we'll get more picks. We'll continue to

3:06

try to build this team up and we'll go

3:08

with the best of what's left, i.e. Michael

3:11

Panix. That's what it feels like. Well, they

3:14

may not know what they're doing. That's entirely possible.

3:16

I have concerns about that too. But

3:18

isn't this what you get when you ask for and

3:20

demand a collaborative process? I was just going to say,

3:23

if they were Congress, they wouldn't be able to pass

3:25

any laws. No, really. That's

3:27

what it feels like. You got to get all these

3:29

parties working together and you'll never get a situation

3:32

where everybody agrees. That almost

3:34

never happens on anything. There's

3:37

always at least some subtle difference

3:39

in the way people are thinking about something

3:42

because everybody's got a different point of view,

3:44

a different background, all that sort of stuff.

3:46

That's fine. You want checks and balances. Sorry

3:49

to cut you off. But based on how this is being

3:51

talked about from some of the people that have been inside

3:53

talking to the team, it feels like there's factions. I don't

3:55

think you can have factions. You can have a couple of

3:57

people disagreeing here and there. It feels like there's some that

3:59

don't want the quarterback. Some that want to trade out.

4:01

There's some that like a quarterback at three. It

4:03

just feels like there's too many sections,

4:08

big chunks of people disagreeing here is what it

4:10

feels like. Yeah, like to me, I would, and

4:13

Murray, I'm just using different words probably,

4:16

okay? But to me, I think it's

4:18

reasonable to wonder whether there's any leadership

4:20

there. Yeah. Okay. And when

4:22

I say that, I mean that none of

4:24

them have the experience to look upon someone

4:26

else in the room and say, I've

4:28

been through this. We drafted this guy in this year. I

4:31

was there for it. This is what we're going to do.

4:33

Do you guys understand why? And

4:35

that's it. And they don't have that now. With

4:38

Bill, it was a dictatorship, emphasis

4:40

on the first syllable. So

4:43

with the, everyone knew who was going to make the

4:45

pick, but that got so out of whack that nobody

4:47

else felt like it was even worth it to open

4:49

their mouths. Why say anything? He's just going to do

4:51

what he wants to do. Now it's

4:54

the opposite. Well, I mean, so

4:56

Wolf has final say, but they've demanded a

4:58

collaborative process. They've demanded a change from what

5:00

it's been for the last several years under

5:02

Bill Belichick. So we're left with, well,

5:05

this Jimmy quickly,

5:07

give me, Wolf.

5:11

Oh my gosh. So annoying. Wolf number

5:13

one. Give me Wolf number one. Do you

5:15

have final say? No. I'm sorry. So

5:18

I couldn't hear any of the questions. So I don't know

5:20

exactly what the questions are. Something along

5:22

the lines of final say, your authority

5:24

final say, go ahead. No,

5:26

but again, like if, if I'm the

5:28

only person that wants a

5:30

player and everybody else in the building doesn't want a

5:32

player, I'm not crazy.

5:35

Like we're going to, we're going to try to do what's right. Okay.

5:38

So I final say, but if I want a player, no

5:40

one else in the building does, I'm not crazy. We're going

5:42

to do what's right. Like the last

5:44

guy. Well, exactly. So the last guy, there

5:46

was no one to overwhelm, but he, that's

5:49

not the way it's going to be. If Wolf wants someone, but

5:52

his coaches doesn't, or don't excuse

5:54

me, or his staff doesn't, then

5:56

He's not going to do it. He's not going to force it

5:58

down people's throats. Which. is

6:01

like sort of mitigates effectiveness of final

6:03

say correct and his for pete say

6:05

those exact opposite of what the Usaf.

6:08

So. Ah I think it's ah the

6:10

table specially your and of and talking to

6:12

burlesque light on television and I think Bert

6:14

for all the grief we give him. And

6:17

his deserved. He's. Taken up the

6:19

whole package, Birds.

6:21

Tapped. I. Bird is our

6:24

most kept. Informed a guy he's

6:26

up there. And. I

6:28

think that.he. And

6:31

he gives you like twenty percent of what he knows

6:33

that he doesn't want to blow sources your Suzette blabbing.

6:35

People. Stop talking To you. And

6:38

I talked to. So.

6:40

I think he's tapped. I think he's right

6:42

there and he doesn't give us what he

6:44

knows. Talks. Around it. So.

6:46

When Bird the says what he did to

6:49

us last night on T V about the

6:51

Michael Panics visit I, I take notice and

6:53

what's going on inside. I take notice salt.

6:55

Simply put, when Michael panics was scheduled to

6:57

come in for this interview here this week.

6:59

We all ass. When. And why

7:01

did that happen? Again, Was

7:03

it just simply. Scheduling.

7:05

That's when he could come out here. You're just

7:08

doing due diligence. You always planned to talk to

7:10

him as as he couldn't get out here till

7:12

this week but he was always on the docket.

7:15

Adds. Nothing to see here, just

7:17

standard operating procedure was at that. Or.

7:19

Did something changed? Something happened where they said

7:22

oh well now let's go take a look

7:24

at panics. And. So I asked Bart

7:26

about that last like this is what he said. I

7:30

think they know to see our own

7:32

The to it's gnome says i have

7:34

no so that's my fault Problem gimme

7:36

gimme birch. Number. One

7:39

number one you advert for listed my fault.

7:42

Birth. Did something happen? Think this is

7:44

a way to add ah I'm they

7:47

have three quarterbacks. Thirty visits scheduled. I

7:49

know they requested that cowboy. I'm Scott

7:51

came he said no than those same

7:53

way said node everybody except for the

7:55

Bears. So three has it been have

7:58

a more direct May Jaden Daniels and

8:00

Jc Mccarthy the and then wait in

8:02

the process they added Michael panics to

8:04

the meeting was and why the hot.

8:07

I have it on pretty good authority that

8:09

is in the case of they do trade

8:11

down the bagel therapy see be prepared for

8:13

that. They added panics late because they're preparing

8:15

to trade Done. Which.

8:18

Doesn't mean they're going to trade downright, just want

8:20

to have the option available Them Still laying the

8:22

groundwork to trade done. This was not in the

8:24

they were not planning to do the threats. So.

8:26

He was not on the original schedule lists.

8:29

The guys on the original schedule list. Where.

8:31

Caleb Williams who said no. I

8:34

drag majored in Daniels and J Democracy.

8:37

And. Then late in the process he said,

8:39

let's add panics, Why? Because. They're.

8:41

Preparing to trade. Done Yeah I'm happy

8:43

about this personally because I I you

8:45

know to me this has always been

8:47

the preferred path that trade down take

8:49

panic, simple, some other needs what you

8:52

ready to promote basically the same area.

8:54

So the way I read this whole

8:56

thing is that their disagreement internally means

8:58

they don't have a consensus choice which

9:00

again I looked at and say. Because.

9:03

There is no consensus choice after Caleb Williams.

9:05

This is exactly what those of us want

9:07

them to trade done. And Mike I'm not

9:09

trying to put words in your mouth your

9:11

yeah, but the gap between the second best

9:13

quarterback in the fifth best quarterbacks in this

9:15

trap is not that great Wealth Bert really

9:17

said more. It was about. The.

9:19

Cats and to a consensus inside the building. Number.

9:22

Three Gimme gimme that now, please. I

9:24

don't know. There's like this unanimous feeling on any

9:27

of them in order, Me and like and I

9:29

really am. I think of Chain or there. They

9:31

take on. Yeah, I think of Satan. Whether they

9:33

take on, I think that there's a split with

9:35

Stage and Drake. What? I think that there are

9:38

some people who really like. Today there are other

9:40

people who thinks it is kind of average and

9:42

would rather have Drake and the Upside. So. That

9:45

discussion because they are involved so many people

9:47

in the process does make you think a

9:49

little bit okay. like do we have to

9:51

consider perhaps trading down here are that

9:53

something the have to look at? Mans part

9:56

of that process is then going for the

9:58

idea or how close is. connects to

10:00

these other two. Like if it is

10:02

close, then maybe we do take the

10:04

Capitol. It's something that can help.

10:06

Okay, so while that speaks to the closest you were just

10:09

referencing, but he says they don't have

10:11

unanimity inside the building. Yeah, and

10:13

I just think that that reflects that

10:16

there isn't a big gap. That's all, I'm saying there's

10:18

some connection there, maybe not 100%. But

10:21

the fact that you get four or five football people in

10:23

a room and they say, well, who's best? The second guy,

10:25

the fifth guy. Well, yeah, I like this guy, I like

10:28

that guy. Then they're all kind

10:30

of close. They're all sort of in a

10:32

muddle. Given the parties involved and how we've

10:34

sort of mocked some of these hires, especially

10:36

the offensive coordinator and, you know, we have

10:38

questions. What's more likely that the quarterbacks are

10:40

actually kind of bunched and really not all

10:42

that different in terms of talent? Or

10:45

it's like the Keystone cops run on the

10:47

operation now. Can I say both? Yeah, I

10:49

think it's the first thing, Murray. Yeah? Yeah,

10:51

I mean, and again, I don't know if these guys know what

10:53

they're doing, but I

10:55

think the league is split. It has sort of

10:58

reference there. The league is split on JJ McCarthy

11:00

and Drake May. The league, some

11:02

people look at McCarthy and say, this is just

11:04

a glorified, souped up Mack Jones.

11:06

Some look at him, say he's incredibly overrated, wasn't

11:08

allowed to do what he can do. He could

11:11

be the second pick. So

11:13

these guys are not slam dunks. Did you have

11:15

a thoughts, too? You were sort of hovering there.

11:17

I do have a thought. It just feels like

11:20

there are three main voices here and they want

11:22

three different quarterbacks. So for example, the cops might

11:24

want Jaden Daniels. Mayo

11:26

and Wolf might want JJ McCarthy. Alex

11:29

Van Pelt and this McAdoo fellow, they

11:32

might want Drake May. I

11:34

just want to know who wants who so we

11:36

can decipher what direction we're going. If

11:38

they pick JJ McCarthy, is it a more

11:41

conservative approach, which would lead to Elliott Wolf

11:43

and Gerod Mayo, who kind of want to

11:45

get it right? The splashy name would be

11:47

the Heisman Trophy winner. Jaden Daniels, that would

11:49

be what the crafts would want. And then

11:51

the upside guy, the Josh Allen type, would

11:54

be Ben McAdoo, Alex Van Pelt, and they

11:56

would want Drake May. That phone here speaks

11:58

to what I felt this. It feels

12:00

like if there's factions, okay, just a couple

12:02

of dissenting voices in there It's like you

12:05

have these groups that can't come together. Okay,

12:07

there's the draft There's

12:09

definitely factions, but this is what you ask

12:11

for when you want a collaborative process exactly,

12:13

right? So this is like I hate it

12:16

in some ways like predictable and I don't

12:18

find it necessarily dysfunctional. No me neither It's

12:20

what happens when you ask nine people to

12:23

come to an agreement on Things

12:25

that are not so obvious right becomes

12:27

dysfunctional. They start stabbing each other in

12:29

the back McCarthy Drake may are not

12:31

obvious guys. They're not one feels

12:34

limited physically in McCarthy

12:36

the other feels like he's

12:38

too much of a wild card and too raw

12:41

So like your nine people get okay, but

12:44

I just wonder about Jimmy's factions there like

12:46

to me it would feel like Here's

12:49

what it feel like to me That

12:51

a scout looks at Drake

12:53

may with all that upside that arm

12:55

that size those traits as they say

12:57

and a scout looks at that and

12:59

says well, this is what he can

13:01

become and The

13:04

fact that he's raw or it could take time isn't

13:06

my problem. I'm a scout I'm here

13:08

to tell you what his arm strength is what his

13:10

side. Okay, a coach looks

13:12

at Drake may and says This

13:15

guy don't know how to play Look at his

13:17

feet Look at how he

13:20

comes the line of scrimmage. It's a

13:22

low floor. So coach him up do

13:24

your job You get paid to coach

13:26

a quarterback do your job earn your

13:28

salary fair enough but this is

13:30

what I'm like if I'm guessing the factions a

13:33

Scout would look at me and say

13:35

that look at that and

13:37

a coach would look at me and say Jesus,

13:40

that's a lot of work. And if

13:43

he's not ready, he's not ready and now I'm 4 and

13:45

13 again, and he's not ready and What

13:48

am I gonna do with that footwork? Right,

13:50

so like if I had to guess that's what

13:53

that is and then the coaches say well Look

13:55

at this kid from Michigan. He knows

13:57

how to play the position. Look at his footwork. Look at how

13:59

he comes on And the scout looks at him and says, well,

14:01

have you seen his arm? That's not

14:03

a plus. Like, so, but

14:06

maybe I have it reversed. Stu

14:08

said the faction is Wolf and Mayo. Wolf

14:11

and Mayo want Drake May? McCarthy.

14:14

McCarthy. Wolf and May.

14:16

So I can see Mayo wanting McCarthy. Definitely.

14:19

Definitely. I can see a coach wanting

14:21

JJ McCarthy. It's a safe pick. We

14:23

think he can play in the NFL.

14:25

He's coachable. He's Gardner-Minshew. He's coachable. But

14:28

he can start games for you this coming

14:30

year. That's a safe pick for them. For

14:32

the coach. For the GM?

14:35

Oh, I don't know. He doesn't have the GM title. So it's

14:37

safe for him too. What can I tell you? They

14:39

still don't know. A week to go. A week

14:41

to go, they still don't know. Is that a good or a bad thing? And

14:44

is the compromise, is the real compromise

14:47

position, trade down, get

14:49

picks, draft Michael Penix? I

14:52

hope it is. Because the theory would be is

14:54

that if ownership wants Jaden Daniels,

14:56

he goes to the gym. He's to number two

14:58

at the Commander's. He's out of the equation. You

15:01

move down because ownership doesn't get the quarterback that

15:03

they actually want. So I

15:06

mean, that's take that Minnesota

15:08

deal. Eleven and twenty three. A dune say at eleven.

15:10

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15:12

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Hub. situation

16:00

is unique. I mean, obviously Lamar Jackson is

16:02

a Hall of Famer and we didn't pick

16:04

him. So that's not

16:06

a great look. But also if we pick

16:08

Lamar Jackson at one, you

16:10

know, we might have had to pack our bags at that point

16:12

too. So nothing's really

16:14

changed. We're still looking for the good player. And,

16:18

you know, I think in this situation, we're

16:20

going to have the support that's needed for

16:22

that quarterback. If we draft one, whoever it

16:24

is, we're going to have a situation where

16:26

they're supported in every way possible to make

16:28

them succeed. So

16:33

that was a comment Big Jim Murray hated. And

16:35

that was, again, we couldn't hear the questions, but it was

16:37

something along the lines of learning from

16:39

your past experiences. And he was in

16:42

Cleveland, not BGM, but

16:44

on the staff, I think the assistant GM, in

16:47

2018 when the Browns had the first overall pick

16:49

and they took Baker Mayfield and

16:52

he says there, yeah, again,

16:54

we could have taken Lamar Jackson would

16:56

have been nice, but we

16:58

might've been packing our bags in a year, meaning

17:01

he wouldn't have been ready. We would have sucked

17:04

and we all would have been fired. Murray, why

17:06

do you hate that comment? Cause it's a gutless

17:08

comment. I think it speaks to what they're doing

17:10

here. It lets draft a quarterback, not based on

17:12

who we believe could be the most successful in

17:14

his career and who has the highest upside, but

17:17

which ones to say fish pick in terms of

17:19

protecting our own assets on our own jobs and

17:21

careers. It's your first year with this job. This

17:23

is exactly the time to invest in a quarterback

17:26

who has the best opportunities to succeed in the league

17:28

long term, not just the guy who's going to make

17:30

you look good for 2024 and 2025 and make you

17:32

somewhat competitive.

17:35

Too many people in the organization. This is why

17:37

they like McCarthy. These two, this is why I

17:39

think to what Jimmy was just reading off his

17:41

phone, why Elliot Wolf and Gerard

17:43

Mayo, they're our proponents of McCarthyism. He's

17:45

the safest guy. He'll be able to get out there,

17:47

make us competitive of eat immediately. Is he the best?

17:49

Is he the best available long term? I hate it.

17:52

Swing for the fences. Take the guy with the highest

17:54

upside, even if that's Drake May, because God forbid you

17:56

might have to sit him a year and do your

17:58

jobs and coach him up. That's what that sounded

18:00

like to me. We want to save guy. I

18:04

mean, okay. Fair enough. Yeah. No, that is

18:06

what it is. He he's right. Murray's right

18:08

about reading it. I would just say, I

18:10

think that happens in every organization in the

18:12

week. Like, oh, they're all

18:14

gutless and terrified to lose their job. But

18:16

there are, this comes down to the kind

18:18

of person you hire and what their personality

18:20

is, are they more aggressive team builders? Are

18:23

they more conservative? And Murray, I'm with

18:25

you. I feel better if they had a veteran guys. Cause

18:28

I think a veteran guy might be more apt to

18:30

look at it and go, I've been through this, that's

18:32

only going to get us so far, we need something

18:34

bigger and better as I keep it. He'd be bolder

18:36

cause he has a resume to rely on. These guys

18:39

don't. You'd think you'd know by now, your morons throughout

18:41

the league, not just them. You're hired to get fired.

18:43

It's going to happen eventually. So swing for the fences,

18:45

roll the dice, you know, go into it. Like, you

18:47

know, it could be a couple of years if the

18:50

guy flames out or even if you were just going

18:52

to get the mediocre guy and you're still going to

18:54

be middling, but not, you don't see any progress at

18:56

the quarterback. I think, go ahead. Well, no, I happen

18:58

to think that drafting Drake, Maine, sitting them gives them

19:00

job security for a year. Like

19:03

you get to start the clock a year later.

19:05

Sure. So like, I mean, and I

19:07

think that's with you on that. I don't think they see that.

19:09

And I think that's the best for the player too. So you

19:11

sit them, you get a pass in year one, cause

19:14

you're not expected to win what you go be reset. Then

19:16

you played Drake, Drake, may year two.

19:18

It's like, well, what do you expect? It's

19:20

his glorified rookie season. And

19:22

at that point six, seven wins feels okay. Now

19:25

you get to go into year three. Like the

19:27

buying a guy really raw drafting guy, really raw

19:30

actually buys you a little bit of time. Definitely.

19:32

So, which is why I'm glad you mentioned this

19:34

too, because Wolf did make a comment about how

19:36

he feels like they are prepared to support a

19:39

young quarterback. When he talked about the roster,

19:41

the offensive line and the receivers, and we

19:43

get a running game, that kind of worried

19:45

me a little, like I heard that

19:47

and said, Oh, are they

19:49

actually thinking about playing them like early? Like,

19:52

I don't like that. No matter who

19:54

it is. Yeah. Number three, Elliot Wolf, or is

19:57

your team, I think again, I have to guess

19:59

what the question. Is your

20:01

team ready for a young quarterback? I do. I

20:03

read a lot of that story line. I'm

20:07

not really sure what

20:09

that means. We have

20:11

a solid offensive line. We re-signed Mike Onwenu.

20:14

We have David Andrews coming back. We

20:16

have three rookies that we drafted last year that

20:18

are developing. We signed Cora IV from the Steelers.

20:22

Hunter Henry, I mean, a good running game, a

20:25

solid foundation, and a solid system in place

20:27

with Coach Van Pelt on the offense. So I feel

20:30

like, I definitely feel like

20:33

we can support him. Dude. I

20:35

mean, I mean, you

20:38

would say, you know, what you're supposed to say. Yeah, right.

20:41

Okay, so now let me check. That's what he's supposed to

20:43

say. But come on.

20:46

It's the worst offensive group in the league from

20:49

the last player on the offensive depth

20:51

chart all the way up to the offensive coordinator.

20:53

I was just going to say, including the OC.

20:55

Including the coaches. It's just about the most underwhelming

20:59

offensive group playing players and coaches in

21:01

the entire league. So come

21:03

on, man. Yeah, yeah. And again, so

21:05

it may and that might just been a vinegar to

21:07

in his comment. It might have been. But

21:09

I hope to God that they are not seriously

21:11

considering about turning it over to a young quarterback

21:14

early because whoever it is, is not going to

21:16

be ready for that. Thoughts on all this. Whoa,

21:18

Joe in the car. Go, whoa, Joe. What's up,

21:20

guys? So I'm a big proponent for, you know,

21:22

let's move down and get Pennics at 11. You

21:26

might be there at 23, but if he's the guy, you got to go get

21:28

him. Take 23, send it to

21:30

the 49ers for IYUC. And then

21:32

you end up with an extra first round pick next year.

21:35

And then you have IYUC and Pennics this year. That's

21:37

much better option than going all in for Drake May.

21:39

Oh, I'm sorry. You could do that. I

21:42

doubt they would do that, though. It's too

21:44

high for IYUC. Well, that and

21:46

they have to pay them. If you draft

21:48

one of these rookie receivers, you're not paying them. And

21:51

you can accomplish the same thing, especially if you

21:53

get his teammate at Washington, Roma Dunsey. And

21:56

now you get your number one receiver for your young

21:58

quarterback. They both played together in college. They know how

22:00

to play together. You get your extra

22:02

pick, and that's what

22:04

I would want them to do. Jeff in

22:06

Connecticut, go ahead, Jeff. Look,

22:09

I know you are going to hate

22:11

this, but this team is a disaster,

22:13

and you can't bring a quarterback into

22:15

this environment. I'm a

22:18

huge proponent of trade down. Give

22:21

them a year to develop. Get

22:24

multiple picks offensively and defensively,

22:26

and give us a

22:28

chance to get Van Pelt fired. He's not a good

22:30

coach. Okay, so wait a minute. You

22:35

can't draft a quarterback because we have to fire the

22:37

offensive coordinator first. Okay, are

22:39

you serious, dude? Like, come on. Like

22:42

that, what kind of plan is that? Well, no,

22:44

he had a different conclusion, though. That kind of

22:46

altered my thoughts and his opinion. Get

22:48

the quarterback in here and get him into the

22:50

operation. It's my feeling. Just

22:53

because you draft him, that doesn't mean you have to

22:55

play him. But the whole thing with the, again, the

22:57

court, no, no, look, I think Alex Van Pelt sucks

23:00

as a choice. Like that's the guy

23:02

they chose. I think it's completely

23:04

underwhelming. I don't like it. I don't believe in

23:06

it. But now that we're

23:08

here, that's the guy

23:11

all in. Do everything you

23:13

possibly can to support Alex

23:15

Van Pelt and his offense and get the most out

23:17

of it, and hopefully I'm wrong. Like that's

23:19

what you have to do. You don't sit there and go, well,

23:22

he sucks. Let's get him fired until we drop the quarterback. What

23:25

are we doing? We hired an OC.

23:27

Could you imagine like Wolf sitting in a meeting with the

23:29

owner? Well, we hired the OC, but we hate him. So

23:32

we're not going to take the quarterback this

23:34

year. We're going to wait till we fire

23:37

Van Pelt, and then we're going to take

23:39

the quarterback. To me,

23:42

the lead item today, and Wolf sort of played into it

23:44

with some of his comments today. We're a draft and develop

23:46

team, so as many picks as you can get, it's probably

23:48

the better. Window is open for a

23:50

trade down. Burt Breer said last night

23:52

that the reason they scheduled Pennick's late, he was

23:54

not originally scheduled to come in. They

23:57

scheduled him late, and they scheduled to bring him in because

23:59

they are prepared. the trade down which

24:01

doesn't say they're going to do it but they're laying the

24:04

foundation that if they do they

24:06

know what they you know further know what they're getting

24:08

with Michael Pennick's so where are we with that

24:10

what are your thoughts on that we continue after Big Jim Murray get

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24:51

would say the the best thing is kind of

24:53

hearing what their teammates say about them they're

24:56

they're both very well thought of by

24:59

all their teammates obviously Michigan has a ton of guys

25:01

in the draft North Carolina is not as many but

25:03

they saw some significant guys and just

25:05

hearing how impressive they are as

25:07

teammates as people as leaders and

25:10

again I know you singled out two

25:12

of them I would say that's been impressive I think

25:15

it's a unique year I'd say that's been impressive all

25:17

six of these quarterbacks that are kind of the top

25:19

guys Wolfine

25:24

asked about Drake May and JJ McCarthy and he says

25:26

well all six of them are impressive Six? He's

25:32

including Nick I'll

25:35

fix them have been impressive and

25:37

you know what Mayo did this to at the

25:39

coaches breakfast when he said five initially and then

25:41

said five or six he added

25:43

the sixth on so my guess

25:46

is they don't really include Nick's but they're

25:48

saying it to make it sound like they

25:50

do because I think

25:52

Nick's blown up but anyway

25:54

not and not that I'm in their meetings

25:56

but you you know to me there's a

25:58

gap between panics and bull Oh, Nick's meanwhile,

26:01

they're not in agreement there that I think's clear when

26:03

Bert says that I do take that to the bank

26:05

I think Bert Our

26:08

most tapped media brother here. I

26:10

do and there's some tap guys. I mean believe me

26:12

current but are like I Think

26:15

Bert's in there, too. Okay, and maybe

26:17

more than anyone. So he

26:19

doesn't think there's a unanimous feeling in

26:22

the building We're trying to trying to Workshop

26:24

the factions who wants to and why? Play

26:28

play number three again, you know, there's not a unanimous

26:30

feeling in the building. Go ahead Bert

26:33

three, please. I Don't know

26:35

that there's like this unanimous feeling on any of them

26:37

You know what? I mean like and I really I

26:40

think if Jaden were there they'd take them Yeah, I think

26:42

if Jaden were there they take so stop

26:44

there. Mads wanted to hit on that. I'm

26:46

surprised by this comment I'm not if

26:49

if Jimmy's right, I'll tell you why okay,

26:51

I They I see where you're going But

26:53

but the reason I'm surprised by the comment

26:56

is I have said all along Jaden Dan

26:58

is I think it's the kind of player

27:00

That requires you to tailor your whole offensive

27:02

operation around him because of the running aspect

27:05

And my sense is that based on again

27:07

the Belichick here So take that for what

27:09

it's worth, but the overall philosophy of the

27:12

organization. They don't want to be that Focused

27:15

toward that quarterback centric. They don't want

27:17

to change their offense They don't give

27:19

it that would really require a huge

27:21

sacrifice organizationally to take that kind of

27:24

player So that

27:26

that's the primary reason I have Sort

27:29

of said I don't think they really want that

27:31

to hear him to hear Bert say it if

27:33

they said it I would say they're playing the

27:35

game to hear Bert say it Because

27:38

I like you believe that Bert is connected. Okay, so you

27:40

know what I'm gonna say, right? Yeah, but go ahead So

27:43

why would they why is Daniels a consensus

27:45

pick? The owner wants tickets

27:47

tickets the owner wants them. That's a splashy

27:49

pick right there That's the guy that could

27:52

be Lamar Jackson two-time MVP marketable superstar. That's

27:54

gonna bring us a lot of money Heisman

27:56

Trophy winning Electric.

28:00

Elite. Athlete. Say

28:02

Maker Great for. Tic

28:04

tac clips and whatever business. Yeah,

28:06

marketability, sign up for that. But

28:08

but I will say the same

28:10

breath. That. I'm right about

28:13

the football people. That was a little that hooked up

28:15

with was a lot of the football people would look

28:17

at him. You know that these the same players Drake

28:19

May but with some of the same things like what

28:21

we gotta this is a lot of work. And

28:24

we don't know. There's a floor there. and there's

28:26

a job with minutes, you know? Yeah.

28:28

The ceilings amazing but the floor is there to

28:30

when it's a lot of work or got caught

28:33

him up and taylor things to him and maybe

28:35

be patient with some and so that means more

28:37

losses in the short term and more pressure on

28:39

us in the short term. But.

28:41

The reason they take on. The.

28:43

Owners One: I'm. So. That would feed

28:45

into Jimmy's phone there. Who

28:48

tell me what you feel worse about? Robert

28:50

Kraft and Jonathan Kraft make in the take

28:52

along with Robin Blaze or web roles put

28:55

of the ownership group together. Okay, that or

28:57

Ben Mcadoo. Will.

28:59

They want the Indo Chine Daniel so I want

29:01

you to. Daniel says the guy was on play

29:03

for I feel safer with Epic them to a

29:06

commemorative another question I ask who would you feel

29:08

word and I'll be back to I'd rather you

29:10

were owners Robin Glazer I'd rather Robin Glazer make

29:12

the picked and Ben Mcadoo I don't trust med

29:14

been night all this crap I hear about. he

29:17

was in a bad moms and is a quarterback

29:19

was breaths. He's a guy that new good plays.

29:21

A great town of a way to like. Where's

29:23

that coming from. Because. He's the

29:25

one that sat Eli Manning for Juno. Wilson,

29:29

Geno Smith. Which.

29:32

Again, Aids free well I I I

29:34

would say but still. So

29:37

like I just don't trust Ben Mcadoo anymore. I

29:39

would trust Map atrocity. Get I told you he

29:41

gives off map. It survives to me. So

29:44

odd know they could be in trouble. Their decision

29:46

making was mouse. But. Why

29:48

would they? They they can't break. They can't

29:50

come to consensus on Drake May or Jersey

29:52

Mccarthy. but they have. Ah, Jaden Daniels. Well.

29:55

maybe that's not a consensus maybe they know that's what the

29:57

owner wants to be there were taken because you're know on

29:59

some And that's kind of stuff that's going on

30:01

down there right now Matt in Milford. What do

30:03

you think Matt? Hey

30:07

Can you hear me? I can Matt. Oh Great

30:11

for first time call him. Thank you for taking

30:13

my fall I hope

30:16

you guys are doing well good now. What do you got? Yes, just

30:18

give it to me Yeah

30:21

with the third pick you got to take a

30:23

quarterback It's

30:26

either gonna be Jayden Daniels or Drake

30:28

May And

30:31

if I had to guess Matt, thank you for the if

30:33

I had to guess like or bet on it That's what I would bet on It's

30:37

not as interesting to me as these other things were talking

30:39

about I think these other things are

30:41

talking about are better stories, which I concern myself

30:43

with as a talk show host I

30:46

also I also think just

30:48

sitting sucking getting

30:51

the third pick and just drafting

30:53

the next quarterback that's up at three is also

30:58

Easy and whatever you sucky team does and

31:00

it usually that usually doesn't work either I

31:03

hear all this stuff about trading out of the top five doesn't work

31:05

and all the history related to it You

31:10

know, it also doesn't work Sucking

31:13

and sitting and just picking the next guy up on the

31:15

board because you need a quarterback that doesn't work either Would

31:18

you like evidence? Sure. I love evidence

31:20

Well, I mean you've kept the receipts

31:22

top three quarterbacks drafted in the last what do we

31:24

say the last ten years? I can't remember how far

31:26

back my list goes. Oh, no, we

31:29

we set this back to 98 here a

31:31

quarterback drafted in the top three since 1998 because We

31:35

would have said the century but when you get to 1999 and

31:37

1998, it's those are interesting

31:39

years. So we included them Bryce

31:42

young CJ Stroud Trevor Lawrence Zach

31:44

Wilson Trey Lance Joe burrow Kyler

31:46

Murray Baker Mayfield Sam Donald Mitch

31:48

Trubisky Jared Goff Carson Wentz Jamis

31:51

Winston Marcus, Marietta Blake

31:53

portals Andrew luck Robert Griffin Cam

31:55

Newton Sam Bradford Matthew Stafford Matt

31:58

Ryan Jamarcus Russell Vince young Alex

32:00

Smith, Eli Manning, Carson

32:02

Palmer, David Carr, Joey

32:05

Harrington, Michael Vick, Tim

32:07

Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, that's 99.

32:10

That's a bad one. Manning and Leaf in 98. So

32:13

we've done it. Of

32:16

that list, the only

32:18

quarterbacks who quarterbacked their team to

32:21

the championship, well,

32:23

there's just one family that's done it.

32:25

The Manning brothers. It's just the Manning's.

32:28

No other team. Obviously, Matthew Cafford's

32:30

staff came around later in his

32:32

career, switched teams, and won a

32:34

championship. But no one else in

32:36

that group won a championship for the

32:38

team that drafted him. And

32:41

I can't remember how many names we had

32:43

on this list, but there's only three no-brainers.

32:45

The rest you would argue about. And

32:48

that's given you CJ Stroud, who's just done it a year.

32:51

Trevor Lawrence? I mean, yeah. There's

32:55

still more to be seen there. I take them, but

32:57

it's not like that's not what the Jaguars expected out

32:59

of that pick. And

33:03

so yeah, trading down doesn't work. Neither does

33:05

sucking and just sitting at three and taking,

33:07

well, we need a quarterback. We're at three.

33:10

Who's the third quarterback? We'll take that guy.

33:12

That doesn't work either. Here's

33:15

the fact. None of

33:17

this works. Sucking and drafting, I know

33:20

I guess it's the only way to do it, but

33:23

it usually does it. Most things don't work

33:25

when it comes to this stuff. When you get to this point, which

33:27

is why you never should have wanted to get to this point. We

33:30

continue with your calls and thoughts on this.

33:32

I still continue this, the lead story. I think we're throwing

33:34

though here for the big one. I

33:36

think we got safeties coming up next. Safeties,

33:38

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36:20

have our Lindy Sports Annual, just the one magazine. We

36:22

usually have two or three. I'd let

36:25

it slip. And we can't

36:27

find them. They don't put them in the bookstores

36:29

anymore. The convenience stores or CVS, it's insane. Nobody

36:31

shops in bookstores. Well, that clip was a throwback.

36:33

I said there was three to choose from. You

36:35

can't even get one to choose from now. But,

36:39

Matt, nobody reads anymore. Well, I was going

36:41

to say if they do, they get the

36:43

e-book and they download it. No one actually

36:45

goes and buys them actual tangible reading. Right.

36:48

No, they're just crack addicts. Attention

36:51

addled crack addicts just look at their phone. Right.

36:54

Everything's in snapshot form. So anyway, safeties

36:57

today on our Lindy Sports Annual. Murray

36:59

has the first throw. The magazine is

37:02

paper clipped to a big whiteboard. Closest

37:04

to is the pick. Why is it in the middle? Can we get

37:06

it back in the middle? Do you want to wait the two minutes

37:08

while I futz with it? When we go to the corners, it's got

37:10

to be in the middle. I got

37:12

some more powerful magnets that we can try next week

37:14

that would be the equivalent of having the two clips

37:16

up there. They're not in yet? No,

37:18

they're on the way. Just

37:21

go. Maybe tomorrow. Oh,

37:23

good throw, Murray. That was a good throw. Good throw.

37:26

That left a clear mark. Jaden Hicks, Washington State. Really good

37:28

throw, Murray. Hey, thanks. Jaden

37:31

Hicks. No ambiguity there. I love it. Washington

37:34

State safety, huh? Hold

37:36

on one second. I'm throwing softer. Hold on.

37:39

I think you're safe. Did you break the...

37:41

It's something. Go ahead. I

37:43

fixed it yesterday. I'm throwing softer. I'm

37:45

throwing softer. I'm throwing softer. I'm throwing

37:48

softer. I'm throwing softer. I'm throwing softer.

37:50

I'm throwing softer. I'm throwing softer. I'm

37:52

throwing softer. I fixed it yesterday. It's

37:54

not the sturdiest thing. Come

37:56

on, Mads! Okay, here you go. Whoops. That's

37:59

bad. That's wrong. Down here?

38:02

That's it. That was horrible. Kalen

38:05

Bullock USC. Son

38:08

of Jim J. Is he good? No,

38:10

I'm kidding. He's in the center square, obviously. I think

38:12

he's dead. Third page of safety. Wasn't that

38:14

the guy from, uh, Soap? 3J Bullock Soap. Yeah.

38:17

Go ahead. 40 year old reference. Another

38:19

good ball, Larry. That was blue, wasn't it? Uh, black.

38:22

So I think down below, I think he's dead. I think he's dead. He's

38:24

dead. He's dead. He's dead. He's

38:27

dead. He's dead. So

38:29

I think down by the yellow box, maybe. Yeah, no, it's

38:31

right here. Okay. Oh, God.

38:34

Tough name. Yep. That's

38:37

a tough name coming. Dijon

38:40

Anthony. I guess. Oh, yeah.

38:43

He's named after the mustard. D-A-I-J-A-H-N. Dijon.

38:46

Is that my place? Pardon me. Can

38:51

you pass the grape prawn? Is, uh, is

38:53

safety a position need? Could they be drafting

38:55

safety this evening? They need one, yeah. You

38:57

think so? Yeah. Yeah, it's in

38:59

play. Okay, this was a great throw, Murray. I love

39:01

it when it's just no ambiguity. I

39:04

don't have to go closest to right on it. Bang. Jaden

39:06

Hicks, Washington State. Strengths.

39:10

Peak versatility for his safety aligning in the

39:12

slot. Oh, there you go. Exactly

39:15

what you wanted to defense him back, a guy who

39:17

can cover in the slot. Can also play a deep

39:19

safety and in the box with

39:22

more than 100 snaps at each spot in 2023. So

39:26

he can cover the slot. He can play

39:28

the deep middle and he can come up into the

39:30

box. This guy's good. What do you think, Barthe? Yeah,

39:32

thumbs up. Sounds

39:34

like a good player. He covets

39:37

key role in game home. See,

39:39

Washington in 2023, so I guess he must have had a

39:41

big game against the Huskies this year,

39:43

and produced when it mattered. Washington had a

39:45

hard time against Washington State in that game. Is that right? Yeah.

39:49

He's determined, dynamic. He's

39:51

a determined, dynamic defender close to the line of

39:53

scrimmage, uses height and strength to

39:55

overpower receivers, and reroute weaknesses.

40:00

coverage hits a passing grade overall but more

40:02

than two-thirds of intended targets with Hicks assigned

40:05

as primary defender were completed hmm

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it's a tackler in 2023

40:11

burst gets him to the ball but

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long speed will be exposed on extended

40:16

routes long speed means he gets

40:18

burned on the deep routes gonna keep near

40:20

the line I'm not gonna chase you down range

40:24

to close range

40:26

to close from hash line to sideline lacking

40:29

to sideline to sideline impact okay okay not the

40:31

fastest guy in the world he ran a 452

40:33

622 12 projected in the second third

40:37

round Jade Jade and Hicks Washington State put him on

40:39

the board I don't mind him feels like more of

40:42

a strong safety than a free safety well if he

40:44

can cover the slot and the deep middle and play

40:46

in the box I'm in what

40:48

can I tell you

40:51

Kalin Bullock USC 6 2 1

40:55

93 Bullock turns 21 draft weekend and is

40:57

still developing physically he added

40:59

significant muscles and signing as a corner receiver

41:02

from Pasadena he made 33 college starts and

41:04

never seemed like he didn't belong even as

41:06

an 18 year old true freshman he

41:09

blazes downhill to close from

41:12

the deep third natural hands

41:14

catcher whose wide receiver background is

41:16

evident in multiple facets of his game okay

41:19

weaknesses lacks NFL strength still

41:21

on the light side for

41:25

his frame and looks at against bigger blockers

41:27

and pesky receivers capable of moving them off

41:29

path not a stick

41:31

and wrap form tackler it's

41:35

stick and wrap stick and wrap that's what

41:37

you do with Christmas he's not a stick

41:39

and wrap tackler and crumbles off

41:41

of too many trying to deliver the big hit you

41:44

know what guys that crumble no he can't tackle

41:46

no but he's still a kid he's 21 he's

41:49

young for his great I was gonna say young

41:51

for his age young for his grade that's just

41:53

never an adjective you want in your right up

41:55

here a football player I like him crumble rumble

41:57

I like him there's no way to there's no

42:00

way to shine that. Come

42:02

on you shoot him up like a baby

42:04

cat. All right DeJohn Anthony

42:08

that's what I'm going with D-A-I-J-A-H-N. DeJohn

42:10

Anthony he's a three school

42:15

product. Three

42:18

schools? Yes he's a he's a he's a

42:20

journeyman free agent. I guess. A three school

42:22

product who began his career at division two's

42:24

Deford. Oh he's been Bill would love this

42:26

in 2019 and made five starts as a

42:28

true freshman before the 2020 season was canceled

42:30

due to COVID so this is a COVID

42:33

situation. Strength self-made pro

42:36

prospect was a zero star

42:38

recruit. If you're

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a zero star recruit yeah I would just

42:42

say you're not really a recruit. Bill would

42:44

love this guy. Zero star recruit. Division two

42:47

player self-made. I was a zero star recruit.

42:49

I still am. What does

42:52

that mean? Zero star recruit. You

42:54

weren't a recruit. Zero

42:56

star I've never heard that before. Zero

42:59

star recruit without a single scholarship offer

43:01

coming out of high school in Virginia.

43:03

He walked on at Liberty before earning

43:06

a scholarship after playing at the D2

43:08

school. Showed up

43:10

on the big stage for Ole Miss standing

43:12

out with secure tackling and nose for the

43:15

ball against Mississippi State and LSU forcing

43:17

Jayden Daniels to fumble. He

43:20

forced to fumble he caught him and forced to fumble on

43:22

Jayden Daniels. How about a good sign? So

43:24

he's from Ole Miss to John Anthony.

43:26

Weaknesses undersized for the safety

43:28

position 5-11 191. Lacks

43:31

range for true center field role in

43:33

zone coverage. Length as it can then

43:35

taking on blocks and making secure open

43:37

field tackles against athletes against

43:39

elite athletes but he graded better than 90% Gray

43:42

brother 90% tackling in 2023. Not a perfect

43:44

fit at nickel but has the hands

43:48

and desire to disrupt receiver patterns. I was just

43:50

going to say this guy feels like a nickel

43:52

corner or slot corner. I'd

43:54

take him over is this Brian is Brian is Miles

43:57

Brian still on the same didn't they let him go

43:59

thank you. I've let him go.

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So he's a nice guy, hard-working kid, although I'm

44:03

done watching him. I like the last two guys.

44:05

Okay, put them on the board then, Mazz. Yeah,

44:07

maybe later in the draft, middle of the draft.

44:10

Corners come your way later on in the program.

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