This episode Hope + Sandy interview Karima Moyer-Nocchi; author, professor, researcher, and Italian resident. She discusses her work through her book "Chewing the Fat:  An Oral History of Italian Foodways from Fascism to Dolce Vita." The ladies learn about what Italy looks like under lockdown, what fascist Italy and our love of pasta have in common, and the nuanced roles of women throughout food history . Tune in for this hour-long conversation that spans oceans and time!