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guess you'd call a Director of Training Director Survival

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We were a lot of different have to

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feel craft a mean. I'm also the podcast host

2:40

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2:42

thing, I don't think titles really matter all that

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much, but whenever I mean that in this case.

2:47

I want to talk to a us a

2:50

new person that you know we're We're not

2:52

establish this if she's on our staff of

2:54

she's affiliated with us, if she's on the

2:56

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2:58

joined feel crappy at a certain group of

3:01

people that were at the company and and

3:03

people came in they went. we added more

3:05

people and you know when I moved to

3:07

North Carolina I'm been I moved here a

3:10

bunch mean originally to be here to work

3:12

this office but also get back to you

3:14

know my father in case you know it

3:16

yet. Health issues on. I would go back

3:18

to Utah and there be a whole bunch of

3:20

new people on with I have no idea who

3:23

you are armed with. Symbols people are are fantastic

3:25

in the become. Really really great friends. While this

3:27

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3:29

long winded introduction. Butts. I'm going through the feel

3:31

cramped newsfeed and I keep seeing the same face

3:33

in the scene profile pop up over and over

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and over. I'm like, okay, this is someone who's

3:37

obviously ciliates. They have no idea how are going

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to play this game. Six Degrees of Separation. I

3:41

can like the game Six Degrees of Separation with

3:43

Kevin Bacon. While I don't know how she joined

3:45

the team, but we're going to find out now.

3:47

So I want to introduce you to

3:49

my pa. Just guests are it is

3:52

Colin Curry not Colleen as I'm gonna

3:54

hear about arm and we're going to

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right down to the So tall and

3:58

good morning. How are you. Good

4:00

morning, I am doing well. I

4:03

appreciate you so much. For inviting

4:05

me on this call is an incredible

4:07

opportunity so thank you very much. I'm

4:09

excited! Oh my gosh, for sure I'm

4:11

you know, Mobo. Haven't people find out

4:13

about our our folks? and you know

4:15

getting exposure to people when I think

4:17

you're pretty awesome things. And it seems

4:19

like you are definitely in the Feel

4:21

Craft fold. but we got to figure

4:23

out how you got there. So let's

4:25

start there. How did you get involved

4:27

with our social media? Did you to

4:29

search? Tagging? everything? Feel Craft? Did you

4:31

get. Protected by Neat Jones

4:33

or Mikey Hernandez or Glover. I mean,

4:35

how did you get involved. Yeah,

4:38

so I'm. Is.

4:41

If I can back up a little bit

4:43

miami. At. The still feel craft

4:46

has been a part of a my fiance lie

4:48

for a long time and I didn't actually know

4:50

what they were. I thought that so cross survival

4:52

was. You. Know this is

4:54

like a wilderness. Outdoors Survive

4:56

in the wilderness. Be a

4:59

proper type saying mom and.

5:02

I just went to. I went to Pillars

5:04

of prepared know if one of my talks

5:06

he did in the out here in Arizona

5:08

and that was my first time really been

5:11

introduced to it and it it. Opened

5:13

my eyes to a whole world of.

5:16

What preparedness? Men.

5:19

That I didn't even realize and.

5:22

Opened my eyes to what

5:24

feel crashed truly was and

5:27

so I'm. After that,

5:29

I. Will. And will get into this. I

5:31

signed up for tactical game. That's I'm

5:33

moving forward. We.

5:36

Went to my book signing

5:38

for prepared. And we got

5:40

to talk to him as he was signing

5:42

on my book and we were talking about

5:44

the tactical games and then it's fast forward

5:46

now. I'm actually a sponsored athlete. Bicycle

5:49

Cross Survival so they are and

5:51

what my top sponsors their incredible

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people! I am. So.

5:56

Honored and completely blessed to be.

5:58

backed by a company that has

6:00

incredible values and morals that align

6:02

very, very well with what I

6:05

have tried to preach to my

6:07

personal clients for a long time.

6:09

So that's how I am involved.

6:11

I'm sponsored and I'm very, very

6:13

happy to promote a company

6:16

such as Phil Cross Survival for everything that

6:18

they do. So that's probably why my

6:20

face is everywhere because I try to

6:22

promote them like crazy. So I'm very,

6:25

very happy to have them behind me. And

6:28

how did that conversation go? Was

6:30

it Mike who approached you? Was it Nate? Was

6:33

it Mike Hernandez? Who was it that said,

6:35

hey, you want to work with us? So

6:38

I guess it was Mike. Whenever we went

6:40

up and we were getting our book signed

6:42

by Mike, we were just having a casual

6:44

conversation with him. And we're like, yeah, I'm

6:46

doing the tactical games. And he's like, wow,

6:48

that's awesome. He's like, I've always really wanted

6:50

to like get involved with the tactical games.

6:53

And I would love to sponsor you

6:55

if that's okay. And

6:57

that's how that came about. And

6:59

I was like, yes, like I will. I

7:02

would absolutely love that. I will promote

7:04

Fieldcraft. I'm very happy to do

7:06

that because this is such a great company

7:08

that I would love it. You

7:11

know, you mentioned you had an idea of what

7:14

Fieldcraft was until you found out about it. And

7:16

there are so many people that come to classes

7:19

that will say, I did not know that you

7:21

guys did this. You know, out here in North

7:23

Carolina, we've got a gal, Kate Smith, who does

7:25

edible medicinal plants canning and jarring. And

7:28

we've got some interesting courses that are

7:30

like onesie twosies. My

7:32

good buddy Craig Caudill, he

7:35

and I have talked about running a tracking class here

7:37

and people are like, wow, I didn't know you guys

7:39

did that. And then we brought out Aaron Snyder

7:41

from Kefaru. We

7:45

don't want to just be in one box. A lot

7:47

of people think, oh, Prepper, you guys wear tinfoil hats

7:49

or in the basement. You've got

7:51

the size 60 Commando sweater with the

7:53

mustard stain on it. A

7:55

lot of people think Prepper means one thing.

7:57

And I don't even like the word Prepper

7:59

because Prepper. Preparedness is only one

8:01

aspect of readiness and there are people out there that

8:03

just have a whole bunch of gear but they're not

8:05

physically fit. They don't have the right mindset and

8:08

you got to have awareness, preparedness

8:10

and willingness to be ready. But

8:12

in any case, we're constantly evolving.

8:14

So I'm glad that you saw

8:16

that, you recognized that and

8:19

there are some people, you know, I'm raising

8:21

my hand over here that still like promoting

8:23

the idea of wilderness survival and doing the

8:25

bushcraft thing and going out there hunting

8:27

and fishing and getting your hands dirty because you know that

8:29

is an aspect of what we do and it's definitely who

8:31

I am. So as long as I'm at the

8:34

company, we're going to do that. If I end up believing the company

8:36

or getting kicked out of the company, who knows who will pick up

8:38

the reins. But while I'm here, that's

8:40

going to be the vision of fieldcraft I have. So

8:42

let's get into this idea

8:45

of you at the tactical

8:47

games. Now, can you

8:49

kind of explain first off what the hell are

8:51

the tactical games because I've seen them

8:54

advertised at the sawmill and I've met a handful of

8:56

athletes over the years that have done it. We

8:59

have a gal over here who competes

9:01

in them and you know,

9:03

a lot of people think, okay, tactical games,

9:06

what are they like old school obstacle

9:09

courses? And it's like it's way more than that.

9:11

So can you kind of go through what

9:13

the premise of the tactical games is

9:15

and then kind of explain your involvement with them? Yes.

9:19

So I'm actually going to they just

9:21

made this post the other day and

9:23

I'm actually going to read this exact

9:25

quote because they say it so much

9:27

better than I do. They

9:30

say this sport is the test of

9:32

a person or team's ability to utilize

9:34

their skills, intellect and previous training to

9:36

complete various stages. These stages

9:38

require many different things. On the physical

9:41

side, we test strengths, endurance and agility.

9:43

On the shooting side, we test speed,

9:46

accuracy and manipulations. All of these things

9:48

are completed while under duress. And

9:51

the definition of the event, the tactical

9:53

games is a community that embodies the

9:55

spirit of resilience, excellence and hard work.

10:00

And they just came out with that definition

10:02

because so many people are like, what is it? What is

10:04

it? And I was like, it's, it's, it's

10:07

so many different skills under stress is

10:09

what it is. And

10:12

there's so much involved with it. It's like a

10:14

mix between, this is how I explain it. It's

10:16

like a mix between CrossFit and

10:18

Strongman and rifle and pistol shooting.

10:20

And you're combining all of those things,

10:23

but you're, you're having to have these

10:25

foundations of, you know,

10:27

manipulating your firearm and you have

10:29

to be able to train in

10:31

different ways and be prepared for

10:33

different situations and be able to

10:36

adapt to those situations.

10:38

And so, um, I,

10:41

the way that I got involved is,

10:46

uh, my fiance showed me how

10:48

to shoot when we first started dating

10:50

and I saw the tactical games

10:53

on Instagram pop up and I was like, man,

10:55

someday I really want to do that. I just

10:57

don't feel ready. And this is something people say

10:59

all the time, even when they are ready, they,

11:01

they just don't feel ready because it's scary to

11:04

see. They have some very intense videos and

11:06

pictures. So it's scary to see, but fast

11:09

forward to a year and a half ago, I

11:11

got very consistent with my pistol

11:13

shooting. Um, we started incorporating

11:15

a lot more rifle into my,

11:17

my dry firing as well.

11:19

And, um, then

11:23

about six or seven months ago, my fiance

11:26

and I are sitting in a Denny's and we're

11:28

just talking about like how we wish we would have been more

11:30

involved in like high school and college and done more

11:34

things. We feel like we would have had more like things

11:36

to talk about or experiences to talk about from those times.

11:38

And he looked at me and he goes, if you don't

11:40

sign up for the tactical games, you

11:43

are going to regret it. And so that night I went

11:45

and I signed up and I was terrified, still

11:49

feeling like I wasn't ready, even though I

11:51

have been a personal trainer for almost nine, 10

11:53

years. So I have the, the skills for fitness. Um,

11:55

and I, I'm not sure I'm sure I'm sure

11:57

I'm And

12:00

I've been, I was consistently shooting and I

12:02

know how to safely handle my firearms. So

12:06

that's how I got involved with it. What

12:09

I absolutely love about it is that

12:11

I feel like there's, there's

12:13

like a process to it. There's,

12:16

you have to prepare, analyze,

12:20

adapt, and overcome is how I kind of

12:22

look at it. Like you have to prepare

12:25

for the event and they don't

12:27

give out too much information beforehand.

12:30

Like I think they used to not

12:32

give out any information about the events at all,

12:34

like what you're going to be doing and how

12:36

many reps of this and how long the event,

12:38

like each stage is going to be. They

12:42

just, I think they just started doing

12:44

that this year where they give out

12:46

like what your stages are going to

12:48

be a week ahead

12:51

of time. So you're having

12:53

to prepare for these events and you have

12:55

no idea what's going to be happening. So

12:57

you just have to do as much as you possibly can. If

13:00

the lift is heavy as you can, you have to push as

13:02

hard as you can. So you're preparing

13:04

for these. And

13:06

then when you're ready to compete and in

13:08

the competition, you have to analyze the situation

13:10

from what information you were given. So you

13:13

have to be aware of your

13:15

surroundings. You have to be aware of your 180.

13:17

You have to be aware of where your gear

13:19

is on your person, your fellow competitors and their

13:21

positions. And then where

13:23

your next position is going to be and where your tools are. So

13:27

then when you're in the competition, you have to adapt

13:30

and overcome. So you're adapting to any of the

13:32

changes that might happen. Adapt

13:35

to changes that may have been made to the event

13:38

because sometimes each of the stages might change a little

13:40

bit. They might switch some things up.

13:43

You have to adapt if your plan doesn't go

13:45

your way. And

13:47

like if you drop a magazine or

13:50

like I said, the course of action changes, something

13:52

like that. And then to

13:54

overcome and keep pushing through. You Just

13:56

have to keep moving and just focus

13:59

on your fundamentals. What you have

14:01

a what you've learned com and do

14:03

all of that. While. You're under

14:05

Strauss and. One. Of the

14:07

biggest thing than a taxable games his

14:09

accuracy. I have

14:11

been able to. Keep my

14:14

positioning in the tactical games like

14:16

in the scoring. Most

14:18

of the time because I really,

14:20

really hone in on dry firing

14:22

at home. And trying to get

14:25

out and you live fire as much as I

14:27

can and practice that skill to the i can

14:29

be accurate when I get to the game. And

14:32

with fitness you know you have to.

14:35

Work. Out and then you go to the firing line and

14:37

then you have to go back. And. Work out

14:39

and then go to the firing line against you have to

14:41

be able to. Calm. Yourself down

14:43

and flow your heart rate. And

14:45

maintain a steady breath to be able to

14:47

go and shoot accurately at the firing line.

14:51

You know, back it up just a little bit

14:53

too what you said at the very sort of

14:55

that explanation is that a lot of people look

14:57

at the zoc to go Daves we say wow

15:00

this is like really intimidating and I think I

15:02

is so true of training in general. people will

15:04

see these videos that feel graph of put out

15:06

or other training companies will probably see people running

15:08

and gunning and going a mile a minute. you

15:11

know don't superfast knew I'd wanna know if I

15:13

could do that. but the important thing is is

15:15

when you go to training you just become a

15:17

better version yourself like that's all he have to

15:20

focus. On his yourself you know and

15:22

when people say like okay, who are

15:24

you competing against Mr say I'm competing

15:26

it's me right leaning. Just focus on

15:28

you. Like when you runners of foot

15:31

race you're running against your own time.

15:33

Don't worry about the super triathlete Veto

15:35

who were skinny jeans and you know

15:37

runs fifty miles. You're running a five

15:39

K. Worry about you just get across

15:42

our minds. And. I

15:44

think that's so true with. With.

15:46

Everything but especially so to tackle the games

15:48

because when you see the footage of they

15:51

put out I mean part of it is

15:53

you guys are were in play carriers and

15:55

you're carrying sometimes heavy Roxanne you're carrying. You

15:57

know your rifle and have everything So. Do.

16:00

You find a particular type

16:03

of person. I'm.

16:05

A. Ticket picketer type of person. Enters.

16:08

The national games. Like is there a type because

16:10

I can doesn't tell you if I look at

16:12

a group of athletes and like data Crossfire Okay

16:14

that person over there that's part lifter okay to

16:16

apprehend or you know speed will get a certain

16:18

look like a ser and build when you do

16:20

a certain typos active for a while. But would

16:22

you say that there's a certain type of person

16:24

that does a tattoo Games. Ah

16:27

know honestly there are when you

16:29

get their like yeah you see

16:31

a whole bunch of like. Very.

16:34

Sick ah individuals' like.

16:37

On. The videos and pictures

16:40

that they have. but when you get

16:42

there there are people from all walks

16:44

of life. There are

16:46

people who just recently started shooting and

16:48

they take their time. People who have

16:51

not been working out for a very

16:53

long time and this is just something

16:55

that they really wanted to do. So

16:57

they just started training like this year

16:59

for it. They just are working out

17:01

for it. I just started shooting and

17:03

they just wanted to do it or

17:06

there's people. Who. Have them

17:08

working out for a really long time

17:10

and shooting for a really long time

17:12

in this is just a fun sport

17:14

that they get to do and there's

17:16

just so many different type of people

17:18

and they'll come to at four am.

17:20

ones who get that experience and to

17:22

be thrown into a situation that is

17:25

intimidating it's scary am and to learn

17:27

from it because there's a lot to

17:29

learn from the game for sure, from

17:31

the tactical games and and. But.

17:34

I think the community as

17:36

a is so. Beautiful.

17:40

Because. ah of the whole time

17:42

i know i was terrified and i even

17:44

went with a group of my friends from

17:47

a crossfit gym and they were like everything's

17:49

okay like it's actually so much fun you're

17:51

going to make so many new friends and

17:53

i did and i keep making new friends

17:55

as i go back and we all talk

17:58

on a regular basis and like talking about

18:00

our training and root each other on

18:02

whenever we're achieving something or we're showing

18:04

something on Instagram. And it's a community

18:07

thing and it's so much fun, but

18:09

there are so many different people from

18:12

all over the place, from different backgrounds

18:14

who come and do it. So now let's

18:16

talk about the actual games themselves. What

18:20

is the duration of a

18:22

tactical games? Like is it a four hour

18:24

event? Is it like a sprint type of

18:26

deal where it's done within an hour? Is

18:28

it something kind of like, if

18:31

we continue with the running analogy, are there

18:33

sprint type events that have short duration, but

18:35

then like five Ks, 10

18:37

Ks, half marathons, marathons, ultra marathon types

18:40

where tactical games have multi-day components? Cause

18:42

I know there are some games out

18:44

there, like there's the Darren Fink Sniper

18:46

Challenge, which they say is like an

18:49

adventure race with guns. So

18:51

what is the actual breakdown look like? Are

18:54

they broken into heats? Are they

18:56

broken into different levels of

18:59

competitor, like

19:02

elite, novice, that type of thing? What

19:04

does it actually look like? Yeah,

19:07

so they're

19:09

broken down into different

19:11

divisions. So it

19:13

goes from intermediate at the lowest division

19:16

to tactical and it used to be

19:18

occupational as well, I don't know. And

19:21

that was typically meant for like first responders

19:24

and law enforcement. But

19:26

now I think it's just tactical and anyone

19:28

can enter into that division. And

19:31

then it goes 40 plus, 50 plus, and

19:35

then the top division is elite.

19:39

Each division has different weights.

19:43

Sometimes I think tactical weights can match

19:45

up with like 50 plus weights or

19:47

40 plus one of those two. And

19:52

they just changed the rules now, but

19:54

it used to be that intermediate division,

19:57

tactical division and 40 and 50 plus could

19:59

use. Red Dot and Elite had

20:01

to use iron sites, but they just

20:03

changed it to where everyone can use Red Dot.

20:06

So that kind of changes the whole game, but they're

20:10

typically two day long events and

20:14

for nationals it was three days

20:16

long, which was exhausting mentally and

20:18

physically, but they're normally two days

20:20

long and you

20:23

are in different heats. So say

20:25

I'm in a group of 15

20:27

women in my division. We

20:29

have heats of five at

20:31

a time just for like spacing reasons.

20:36

And you go at different times

20:38

of the day. We have a schedule of life. This

20:40

is your heat time. This is when you

20:43

need to be here to hear

20:45

your directions for what's going to be happening

20:47

in your course of action. And

20:50

then you just wait for your time. Typically

20:52

each stage

20:54

is time capped at 12 minutes

20:57

at nationals. It was 15 for some

21:00

of the stages, but typically

21:02

it's 12 minutes and you

21:05

have maybe three or four events

21:07

during the day. So sometimes you might wait like

21:10

an hour to an hour and a half in

21:12

between heats or

21:14

longer. It

21:17

just depends on how fast we're moving through

21:19

everything and how quickly they're getting things reset

21:21

and if

21:24

your athletes are all on time to your heat. But

21:28

that's pretty much it. It's

21:31

exhausting and it's a lot of waiting, which

21:33

people think it is back to back to back.

21:35

But there's a lot of waiting and so you

21:37

have to keep yourself warm. You have to keep

21:39

yourself hydrated. You have to keep yourself mobile and

21:43

ready. You have to know when you're going because they will

21:46

try to, they will go. When it's time to

21:48

go, it's time to go. So let's

21:51

talk about some of the gear since you

21:53

know so many people want to just buy the

21:55

gear. Look a certain way and gear obviously fixated

21:58

to us. I mean I remember getting catalogs. have

24:00

elbow pads, maybe knee pads. You obviously have

24:02

to have a lot of ammo. Um,

24:05

I would say maybe like 250 to 300 rounds per, I

24:07

want to say per day, but

24:12

that almost sounds like a lot. Um,

24:14

maybe per event, but,

24:16

um, for the two

24:19

days, but

24:21

that, I think that's about it. There's not,

24:23

it's, it's not a bunch of stuff. Obviously

24:25

you want to have the things that you

24:27

need in between events, like food and water

24:30

and supplements. Anything

24:33

snacks are so important. A lot of people

24:35

actually forget to eat and, uh,

24:38

you have to make sure that you're eating. There's

24:40

a lot of people who get really dehydrated. So

24:42

you have to make sure that you're drinking a

24:44

lot of water. Um,

24:46

that's pretty much it though.

24:48

Your, your, your plate carrier

24:51

and your firearms are the most important

24:53

things that you need to make sure that

24:55

you have, um, yeah,

24:58

everything else is just like creature comfort type

25:00

things just to make you comfortable throughout the

25:02

day while you're waiting. So diving even deeper,

25:04

people are going to want to know what firearms do

25:06

you normally carry? Yeah.

25:09

So I have the arm. I am 15 competition

25:12

rifle. Um,

25:14

I absolutely love it. It's a little

25:17

heavy. Um, so I'm debating

25:19

on switching it out. So, uh, I

25:21

guess that's something to think about too.

25:24

Lighter rifles are definitely helpful in the

25:26

games. Um, and

25:28

then I have a birth RT six one

25:30

to six optic on it. Uh,

25:33

and that it's, I

25:35

love that optics, but the problem that

25:37

we've had is they're starting to increase

25:40

long range and the distances that we have.

25:42

And I think at nationals, the longest distance

25:44

was like 667 yards. And

25:46

my one to six is not going to, it probably

25:49

got out to like three 50, maybe 400,

25:51

and then I was like, I can't see anything.

25:53

So, um, you

25:56

definitely want an optic. That's probably a

25:58

one to 10. Just

26:01

to see out to those further distances, but that's

26:03

what I have currently so we're debating on switching

26:06

it I have a ferro concept

26:09

flingster as my fling and that

26:12

one I love because you can adjust it

26:14

super fast and then my pistol

26:17

is a Glock 34 I have a

26:19

gen 5 and a gen 4

26:21

and I

26:24

love both of them Glock is I There's

26:27

just something about Glock. It's just easy Striker

26:30

fire. I love striker fire so much more because

26:32

it's less to think about But

26:36

there's pros and cons to both so I

26:38

have I have that I have a timmy

26:40

trigger on it And then I just got

26:42

a trigicon SRO red dot on

26:44

my Glock and I absolutely Love

26:47

that thing because the circle window it makes

26:50

everything so much more visible I had

26:53

a Delta point pro on it before

26:55

and the window on that is large as well So if

26:57

you can get a large window red dot,

27:00

that's the best thing ever I know hollow Sun

27:02

has a competition edition out now that has a

27:05

large window as well But those three types of

27:07

red dots are really good choices True

27:09

jacon is very very popular. So those are

27:11

the the two that I run. Yeah,

27:14

just expanding on that a little bit more I mean

27:16

we see In classes

27:18

and from training that the old-school

27:20

mindset was one power of magnification

27:22

for every 100 yards that you're

27:24

shooting So in theory in

27:27

theory one to six should be good to 600

27:29

yards But I mean you just said

27:31

it right there that you're good to maybe 370-400

27:34

and a one to ten

27:36

in theory would be good to a

27:38

thousand yards But if you talk to

27:40

the guys from like originally defense, right when I

27:42

took a mid-range rifle class with them They

27:44

said we're throwing that out the window. It's

27:46

not one power for every hundred yards

27:48

It's to power for every hundred yards and there might be

27:51

an application where you might even want more So

27:53

with a one to ten you're in theory

27:55

good to 500 yards But I

27:57

have a one to ten on a BCM upper. That

28:00

I've shot pretty damn far with when I

28:02

was out in? I are in Utah and

28:04

you know when we had access to nine

28:06

hundred twenty or nine hundred eighty yard range

28:09

him and were push nothing out like sonar

28:11

city yards with seventy seven grainy ammo. Ah

28:13

you hit it every single time. But it

28:15

was nice having that extra magnification. And then

28:18

to your point about the Glocks. I mean

28:20

your version of the choir here. I'm always

28:22

going to be a Glock I I I

28:24

I never gonna see pistol for free so

28:26

I can't say that I am a Sig.

28:29

diehard. Areas like that. And you can find

28:31

my loyalty does by doing the free gear bucks

28:33

right. But I do own a bunch of Sig

28:35

products. I will say they're They're nice pistols. but

28:37

I mean my first Us was a Glock nineteen

28:39

and I still carry Glock nineteen. to this day

28:42

I'm. Not going to whole bunch

28:44

of guns that are fun but the red.on

28:46

top of a Thirty four Mother of god

28:48

like the Thirty Four is the the hear

28:50

ye hear you gun. You know our memory,

28:52

John Wells who works here. He's like I

28:54

want either a thirty four, a seventeen L

28:56

which seventeen lz longer but I he's I

28:58

guess is one of those guns, a plow

29:00

and got authority. Good sodium, big. You

29:03

know I can imagine. Like you know you've

29:05

got us thirty four but then you got

29:07

that red.on top of it in the red

29:09

dots are freaking game changers. Muslims, young people

29:11

say like over adults are the future. None

29:13

in a red dots are the present and

29:15

when you watch a shooter with a red.

29:17

I. Mean, my body Jerry? that's that's out

29:19

here with me. North Carolina. He I

29:21

get his little sig three sixty five

29:23

the other day to shooting steal at

29:25

forty yards. no problem, forty yards of

29:28

the red.of a micro pistol and he's

29:30

nail in every single time. so I'm

29:32

those seem like they're unfair advantages. but

29:34

again, if you're in a game setting,

29:36

take every advantage you can get. Ah

29:38

yeah and you might as well to

29:40

get every in managing, get in or

29:42

the real life real world anyway. you

29:44

know? Sorry I am all for it.

29:46

Yeah and you mentioned food. And that's

29:48

a psych about that. So. that's

29:51

gotta be a double edged sword to because

29:53

you've mentioned there's a lot a hurry up

29:55

and wait and yep just hurry hurry where

29:57

it okay in which you're going to be

29:59

up in an hour, two hours, so you're

30:01

constantly feeding yourself, you're trying to stay warm.

30:04

One of the lessons I think that's really hard to learn, but

30:06

once you learn it, you never forget it, is don't eat too

30:09

much. Because if you gotta go

30:11

now, you don't wanna cramp up, you don't wanna

30:13

puke. And I'm

30:15

sure there's plenty of that. Can you

30:17

talk about some of the things that you've

30:19

seen? That maybe like, okay,

30:22

it's not going to make it into

30:25

the demo or the highlight reel for tactical games,

30:27

but some of the stuff where you're like, I

30:29

will never forget when I saw this, right? And

30:31

like maybe it was someone who's off to the

30:33

side, muzzle of their rifle in

30:35

the dirt, and they're just puking their brains out. Like,

30:38

what are some of the crazy things that you've seen

30:40

happen in the games? Well,

30:43

so there's only, I've only been

30:45

to two games. So there hasn't

30:48

been anything like seriously crazy food,

30:52

like going to food wise,

30:54

you obviously wanna keep small snacks.

30:57

Like we do turkey

30:59

wraps and things like that. Anything that

31:01

you can just eat to feel

31:03

like, okay, I feel satisfied, I'm

31:05

not full, but I feel like I have some energy

31:07

back. Or we have these little like

31:10

protein, they're like Noku

31:12

Noku protein packs, something like that.

31:14

And they're delicious and they keep

31:16

you full or like protein

31:18

shakes, things like that. Well, like I said,

31:21

you wanna stay satisfied. You don't wanna be

31:23

completely full or you get up there and

31:25

you get like the nervous pukes and

31:27

you're like ready to throw up as

31:29

you're starting to run. So, but

31:32

I haven't seen anything crazy like that.

31:34

The only crazy thing I saw was

31:36

at my first regionals, someone actually had

31:38

a heart attack in one

31:40

of the stages and they stopped everything

31:42

and got him care. And

31:45

luckily he was able to

31:47

be airlifted. He survived and he wrote

31:50

a message on Facebook. And that's why

31:52

the last podcast with Owen and James,

31:55

I was like, this is incredible because this

31:57

man was able to speak about it.

32:00

that and thank everyone for their care.

32:02

So that is the craziest thing

32:05

that I've seen at a game so far,

32:07

but other than that, it's there's

32:09

people who like, you know, drop

32:11

their pistols due to inappropriate

32:15

gear, such as like the holsters need

32:17

to have retention on it and

32:20

say someone holster didn't have retention on it

32:22

and they're climbing a rope or something happens

32:24

or they're jumping over a wall and their

32:26

pistol falls out. Well that's disqualification

32:28

right there because it wasn't holstered.

32:30

Yeah, nothing mentioned that's a safety

32:34

concern. You know you drop a gun and thing goes

32:36

off. I mean like you should check your gear, you

32:38

know, make sure you get some attention on that thing.

32:41

Yeah, well and there's also people who

32:43

and people will joke about it and

32:45

be like, oh the tactical games they're

32:47

just like flinging guns around and throwing

32:49

rifles around and they make it very

32:51

clear like in one of my events

32:54

nationals, they were like, okay so

32:56

you're going to engage

32:58

five steel targets, you're going to

33:00

remove your magazine and you have

33:02

one round left to engage a

33:05

headshot. Once you make that shot,

33:07

your rifle is clear. So they tried to

33:09

make it to where you're

33:12

gonna have a safe weapon whenever you

33:14

start to run the rest of

33:16

your course. But in

33:18

the video, it looks like you're

33:20

just flinging your stuff around, but

33:22

when you're there, there's an

33:25

understanding with everyone, with

33:27

every athlete that your firearms are

33:29

safe. Now there's sometimes where people

33:32

do go flinging things around and

33:34

you're supposed to, whenever you're done firing at

33:36

the firing line, you're

33:39

supposed to show your RO

33:41

that you're clear and there's sometimes that people

33:43

go through it way too fast or they don't show

33:45

and they just like start flinging things around

33:47

and you have to make it very

33:50

apparent that you're clear obviously before you move

33:52

on. So those are probably the craziest thing

33:54

that I've seen, only a few times with

33:56

like pistols dropping and rifles

33:58

being thrown around. But yeah,

34:01

things can get a little nuts there. Everyone's under a

34:03

lot of stress, though. Yeah,

34:05

stress is one of those things that can

34:08

make you fall apart very quickly, make your

34:10

gear seem to malfunction. But meanwhile, it's operator

34:12

error that causes a malfunction. It

34:14

sounds very similar to something that they do up at

34:16

the Sig Academy. Here I am in one breath saying

34:18

that I'm Glock guy, and now I'm talking about the

34:20

Sig Academy. But hey, I've shown up both academies. They're

34:22

both awesome people. So at the Sig Academy, they

34:25

have what they call the Dead Man's Gong. And

34:27

the Dead Man's Gong is an old acetylene tank

34:30

that they have hanging at most

34:32

of the ranges there. And the

34:34

rule is that if you pull out your pistol or your

34:36

rifle and the gun goes click instead

34:38

of going bang, or if you pull

34:41

out your pistol or your rifle and your

34:43

magazine isn't properly seated and it falls to

34:45

the deck, then depending

34:47

on the rules of the day,

34:50

it's either you or you and your buddy

34:52

need to run back to the gong and

34:54

bang it 10 times with a hammer and

34:56

say, Dead Man's gone, Dead Man's gone. When

34:59

you're at the academy, you'll hear

35:02

the gong from across the campus.

35:04

You could be on the rifle

35:06

deck and you'll hear people

35:08

over in area 51 banging

35:10

the gong and it's like, oh, that's a Dead Man's

35:12

Gong. It's become culture

35:14

up there. So I get it,

35:16

stress causes people to fall apart. Now,

35:21

we've been talking about the tactical games now for

35:23

roughly 30 minutes, but I wanna get into more

35:25

about you because people should know who they're following

35:27

and some more of your background. When

35:30

we jumped on a call before we started

35:33

the podcast, I saw a number

35:35

from Missouri and

35:37

I'm just curious, what is it like growing

35:39

up in Missouri? And are

35:41

there any cultural or any unique

35:45

things from Missouri that people should know about? It's

35:49

funny you say that, Missouri. It's either Missouri

35:52

or Missouri, is what people call it. Which

35:54

I don't agree with the misery thing. I

35:56

think Missouri is beautiful.

36:00

You got all four seasons. Everyone

36:02

there is so nice. It's

36:05

very, um, homie Midwestern.

36:07

I don't know if you know what

36:09

I'm, I'm saying, but everyone is very

36:11

kind there. And, um,

36:14

it's just small town. And I didn't

36:16

realize you don't realize how small your

36:18

town is until you leave and you come to

36:21

somewhere like Phoenix, Arizona. And

36:23

you're like, holy moly that, okay. I did

36:25

come from a small town. So, um,

36:28

it's very small town. Everyone's very nice. It's, it's

36:31

just a great place to grow up. And there's

36:33

a lot of outdoor things to do. Um,

36:36

like my dad, he worked with me.

36:38

We're native American or

36:40

the correct turn Canadian Indian. We have

36:42

family in a reservoir on a reservation

36:44

in Canada, but, um, he

36:46

taught me how to shoot a long bow when

36:49

I was young, all of this, when I was

36:51

very young, a black powder rifle, he taught us

36:53

how to light fires. He taught us

36:55

how to move quietly through the forest. My mom

36:57

would take us camping all the time in fishing.

37:00

And so it's a very

37:02

outdoorsy type of place. Um,

37:04

beautiful woods, lakes,

37:06

lake of the Ozarks is out there. That's a

37:08

big thing, especially with that one show

37:11

that came out, um, about the lakes,

37:13

lake of the Ozarks or that was happening there, but,

37:16

um, yeah, so it's a gorgeous place. It's

37:18

a nice place to grow up in. Now

37:22

I've driven through Missouri a couple of times,

37:24

or sorry, Missouri a couple of times, uh,

37:26

you know, once on the way out to

37:29

Utah, um, and then once

37:31

on the way from Utah to the

37:33

North Carolina office out here, um, and

37:36

it's just smack dab in the middle of

37:38

the nation. Um, and

37:40

like you said, gorgeous forest, beautiful,

37:42

beautiful woods. Now you're

37:44

in the frigging desert. What was that adjustment

37:46

like going to the desert? Because Phoenix, when

37:49

I flew to Phoenix for a corset gun

37:51

site in 2020, I landed in

37:54

my rental car, um, which

37:56

was in a garage when I started driving on the highway

37:59

on the highway at Redwood. at 128

38:01

degrees. What the heck is it

38:03

like going from where you grew

38:05

up to Phoenix? So

38:08

Missouri is very humid like

38:10

all of the time. It's

38:13

the humidity in the summer if

38:15

it's 90 degrees outside it feels like it's like

38:18

a hundred, 110 or something

38:20

crazy like that. You're always sweating. It's

38:24

just a different kind of hot and

38:27

in the wintertime it's still humid. Everything

38:29

is just wet. It's not like

38:32

a clean powdery snow most of the time.

38:34

It just gets sloppy and wet which

38:37

makes it sound bad but you know it's

38:39

just humid there. And then you move

38:41

to Arizona where it's just a dry sauna

38:43

and I remember the first time I came

38:46

to visit Arizona in my

38:48

adult life. I went to, we took

38:50

a long road trip when I was really

38:52

young with my dad and

38:55

Arizona was stunning. I remember it just being

38:57

beautiful and I always wanted to come back.

38:59

And the first time I got off the

39:01

plane whenever

39:03

I was older I walked out of the airport

39:05

and I was like, like I couldn't

39:08

breathe. It was like Spongebob whenever he

39:10

needs water or like it

39:13

just sucked all of the life out

39:15

of you for a minute because it was so hot

39:17

and I remember that week it was in the 120s

39:20

and I'd never experienced something like that before and

39:22

now living out here. You get used to it.

39:24

We've been out here for about three years now

39:27

and it was probably

39:30

a hundred and fifteen degrees

39:32

consistently for like two

39:35

months maybe and after

39:38

a while you're used to

39:40

it but you're just tired of it being

39:42

so hot. And everyone who has lived here for a

39:44

long time they're like it's rough. Like this year has

39:46

been rough. It's really hot this year.

39:49

But it's nice because you can escape

39:51

the heat and you can go north

39:53

two hours to Flagstaff or Prescott and

39:56

you can be in a little cooler

39:58

weather or go camping. And

40:03

it's much better in those areas,

40:05

but you can reach all different

40:07

types of scenery and environment out

40:10

here, which I love. There's

40:13

no snow in the wintertime, which I love

40:15

as well. I think the lowest it gets

40:17

is maybe, maybe in

40:19

the high 30s is what I've seen

40:21

since I've been here, but it doesn't

40:24

snow. So it's

40:27

a huge change, but no humidity

40:29

unless it rains. Like this morning, it's kind of raining

40:31

a little bit and there's a tiny bit of humidity,

40:33

but you don't experience it the same way that you

40:35

do in Missouri. I can probably go

40:37

out in 90 degree weather and still wear a

40:40

jacket. There's something about it that it still feels

40:42

a little chilly just

40:44

because you're dry, maybe, but

40:47

definitely, definitely different. Yeah, the

40:49

first time that I went out to Utah to

40:51

visit Fieldcraft after I left

40:54

teaching public education

40:57

and I was visiting the company looking for a place to live

40:59

out there. At the time, Fieldcraft

41:03

had the office in Heber and

41:05

Mike was living further up north

41:08

and so was Kevin Owens. Before I walked out

41:10

of the house that I was staying at, I

41:12

stayed in Kevin

41:14

Owens' place up there one

41:17

night. I remember

41:21

it was probably, geez, I don't

41:23

know, maybe 20 degrees out, but I

41:25

walked outside in a t-shirt and

41:27

Kevin's like, how are you doing that right now? I'm like,

41:29

what? He's like, you're not cold? I'm like, it's got to

41:31

be what, 45 degrees here? There's something

41:33

to be said about dry cold and

41:36

moist cold. I

41:39

could use the word moist. Human cold, right?

41:42

And same thing with dry heat and

41:44

with humid heat. You

41:47

go down to Florida and you're going

41:49

to get that humid heat where your shirt stays

41:52

soaked the entire day. Even

41:54

throughout the night, you have that humid heat, but then you

41:56

go out to Arizona and Because

41:58

it's desert, you're going to have that. A dry heat where

42:01

you don't even realize you're sweating and

42:03

that can lead to a lotta lotta

42:05

issues are. Now getting

42:07

away from the moist topic and moving on

42:09

to personal training, When did you to decide

42:11

to become a personal trainer Like what was

42:14

the as the drive behind that decision? Yeah,

42:17

so I'm not a better

42:19

way up. Ah, Ah,

42:21

so I was in. Ladies

42:24

third or fourth grade at

42:26

the time and. We

42:29

wrap my sister karate class like this is back

42:31

in a way out that this is how I

42:33

became a personal trainer So I my back started

42:36

hurting and my mom was like well what's wrong

42:38

with says she have anything to lean over unlike

42:40

your my back and a really large bump on

42:42

it. And say okay, that's

42:44

weird So we went to the doctor's office and

42:46

they're like okay, you have a severe form of

42:49

scoliosis. So. We're gonna have

42:51

to put you in a back brace to

42:53

slow down the curvature, the rate of the

42:55

curvature and see how that helps is it

42:57

doesn't help. You're going to have

42:59

to get surgery. Ah, I'm. So.

43:02

I wore a back brace. For

43:04

about four years. Until I

43:06

was in eighth grade. I believe

43:09

in it slowed it down. But.

43:11

It didn't stop it And. We.

43:13

Came back to the doctor and they said okay

43:16

if we. Continue. To let

43:18

this go. It'll crush your heart, your lungs,

43:21

So. At fourteen, that

43:23

was in two thousand six I

43:25

believe I got a full spinal

43:28

fusion. With a

43:30

ten hour long surgery they they actually

43:32

came out of the surgery room and

43:34

said the taken had been dissected to

43:36

my mom. Oh my God. Yeah

43:38

there are like this year

43:40

the great thanks So then.

43:43

They they put to fifteen inch

43:45

long through or sorry fifteen inch

43:47

long. Titanium Rod. And

43:50

sixteen three and swung screwed

43:52

into my spine and. I

43:55

used to be a very active

43:57

person. Before. My. Fusion.

44:00

I did gymnastics. I was a softball player.

44:02

I was always running. Outside with my friends with

44:04

we were the outside crazy kid. Who played hide

44:06

and seek in the dark and like had

44:08

under cars and on top of sheds and

44:11

stuff and when I got my fusion they

44:13

told my doctor said there. You. Are

44:15

limited on a lot of things. Now there's

44:17

a lot of things you cannot do. And

44:20

so I had this belief that I

44:22

just couldn't play sports anymore, I couldn't

44:24

do anything. and so that's how I

44:26

went through life and I I think

44:28

that's why didn't get involved in like

44:30

high school and college and stuff like

44:32

that they didn't think I could and.

44:36

Probably my. First.

44:38

Year of college I.

44:40

Was. Just so tired of being tired

44:43

and I was getting tired walking

44:45

up the stairs I would gaining

44:47

my freshman fifteen which and a

44:49

very lean person and so it

44:51

was easy for me to like

44:53

see that coming on and. I

44:56

was uncomfortable and I just felt weak and like

44:58

a wimp and I was so tired of it.

45:01

So. I actually looked up

45:03

on online training program. Where.

45:06

I could work out in my house because I was scared

45:08

to go to the gym. I didn't want anyone to see

45:10

any working out's I had no idea what I was doing.

45:13

And so I worked out with

45:15

bodyweight only. I'm. in

45:19

my in my house with this

45:21

program and i started to use

45:23

like cans of soup and like

45:25

milk jugs and water jugs and

45:27

drawstring bags the as my weights.

45:30

And maybe like a dumbbell here and there that we

45:32

had around the house. but. That's.

45:35

About it. And then finally I

45:37

bought myself in shape probably a

45:39

year. A year and

45:41

a half like after I started working

45:43

out at home and I was like

45:45

okay, I feel really good now

45:47

and if I can do this for myself,

45:49

I can do this other people. So I

45:51

decided to quit my four year university in

45:53

my third year of college and spend my

45:55

last year. in a

45:58

personal training course get

48:01

a diagnosis and they're told, hey, you can't

48:03

do this. And then that basically puts them

48:05

in the mindset of, well, I can't do

48:07

anything. And even if

48:09

you're confined physically somewhere, you can

48:11

still exercise mental reps of doing

48:14

something. And that

48:16

whole idea of visualization is so important. Years

48:18

ago, I was at Blade Show, this is in 2014,

48:22

and Ernest Emerson, who has been

48:24

a podcast guest before here, he

48:26

does Emerson Knives, he did a

48:28

presentation on surviving violence. And he

48:31

said how visualization is so important and whether that's

48:33

the what if game, right? Someone's walking down the

48:35

street and you say, well, if this guy does

48:37

this, I'm doing this, right? You play the what

48:40

if scenario game. But he said, years

48:42

ago, there was a college professor

48:44

who wanted to test the hypothesis of

48:46

if visualization was important. So he took

48:49

part of his class and he said,

48:51

you're gonna practice free throws physically

48:54

here on this basketball hoop, X number of

48:56

minutes or hours per week. Then he took

48:58

the other half of the class and he

49:00

said, all right, you guys are going to

49:03

visualize doing free throws. And when

49:05

he took them back into the gym, same

49:08

amount of time, same amount of practice, the

49:11

team that visualized the free

49:13

throws performed better. And when

49:15

he analyzed it, he said,

49:17

okay, well, the team that practiced, they also

49:19

had those bad repetitions of missing. But the

49:22

team that visualized, every one of those visualization

49:24

was a swish. It's

49:27

so important to remember, okay, you

49:31

are only limited by your mind

49:33

and your mind can do so

49:35

much. Yeah, you might not be able to

49:37

do it physically, but in your mind you can't. And

49:39

if you tell yourself you can't, you're not going to.

49:41

But if you tell yourself you can't, you might. So

49:44

that's such a powerful, powerful story because there are

49:47

people out there that would say, well, my

49:49

feet are screwed up. I have fallen arches. I

49:52

have scoliosis. Or I

49:55

have plantar fasciitis. Or I've got a torn

49:57

ligament. And it's like, okay, you can still

49:59

train others. So

52:01

I just want to feel like

52:03

I can move and not be fragile

52:05

and just feel strong.

52:09

So that's my main goal. But

52:12

with that, yeah, I want to level up in

52:14

the tactical games. I want to be able to...

52:18

I would like to get to the highest division.

52:20

I just think with my body, there's no way

52:22

that I can do that. It's very difficult for

52:24

me. But another

52:26

goal of mine is actually to get into

52:28

long-range rifle shooting. I really enjoyed

52:31

that. And actually, my first... It

52:33

was probably my fourth time ever shooting my

52:35

rifle was at Regionals, and that was back

52:37

in August. And

52:41

we did a long range, and I think the furthest distance

52:43

was maybe 360. But

52:48

I enjoyed it so much that

52:50

that's something that I want to get more involved

52:52

in. So... Yeah, I'll

52:54

tell you, long range is a drug. I'm

52:57

sitting on a blog right now that needs to go

53:00

and get posted. I got to talk to Caitlin. Caitlin

53:03

is another new person. I've never met

53:05

her, but she's into fitness as well. You should actually

53:07

reach out to her if you haven't already. But

53:11

long range is absolutely a drug. And

53:13

there's a blog that I wrote all

53:15

about that where I explain how if

53:17

you're going to get into any discipline

53:20

in firearms training and you want to

53:22

see cross-platform level up, get into long

53:24

range. Because you're going to learn all about the breathing

53:26

cycle. You're going to learn all about respiratory pause. You're

53:28

going to learn about a proper trigger press. You're going

53:30

to learn about sight picture, follow through, body

53:32

alignment. All the fundamentals that you

53:35

learn in long range, you will apply everywhere else.

53:38

You will see your accuracy improve with your

53:40

carbine skills. And even from shotgun, I mean,

53:42

people think, oh, you can't mess with a

53:44

shotgun. Oh, absolutely, you can. And

53:48

it's one of those past times

53:50

that I would say people should get into because it's part

53:52

of our heritage. Back in the

53:54

day, if you were a Minuteman or if you were

53:57

part of your local militia, you were expected to

53:59

be able to shoot. And by the way, militia

54:01

is not a dirty term for anyone that's saying,

54:03

oh, he said militia. We're not talking about like

54:06

the crazy militias out there. We're talking about the

54:08

militias that were there to protect the neighborhood and

54:10

protect the village, right? So

54:12

yeah, the, I would say that that long range

54:14

of the drug, I think you're going to enjoy

54:16

it. But now, given your

54:18

background, given your current interests for the

54:20

listener, what are three goals that you

54:23

would say the listener should strive for

54:26

to become a better version of themselves? The

54:31

main thing is trying

54:34

something new that they're

54:36

afraid of, that they've been afraid of

54:38

doing and just getting

54:41

out there and doing it. That's

54:45

the first one. If you don't know how

54:47

to do that, ask for help. I think

54:49

so many people have such a hard time asking for

54:51

help and they just want to be independent and figure

54:53

it out on your own. But I

54:55

feel like there's so many ideas and

54:58

things out there that were

55:00

developed off of other

55:02

ideas. And it's just

55:06

so much better to have

55:10

the help and the support of someone who has

55:12

the knowledge in whatever you're

55:15

interested in to just give you a little bit

55:18

of support, especially when you're afraid of

55:22

it. So that's number two. And then

55:24

number three is try to find a community

55:28

that is involved in the same thing that

55:30

you are interested in doing. I think

55:33

the family aspect

55:36

is so much more helpful. Like

55:38

me with the tactical games, I

55:40

found my CrossFit gym and they

55:42

have a tactical class geared towards

55:45

the tactical games. And having

55:47

the support of them behind me made

55:50

finding my gear so much

55:52

easier and it made

55:54

going into the tactical games so

55:57

much better of an experience. I was happier

55:59

to go. into it, I was more excited

56:01

to go into it. I wasn't as scared. So

56:03

I feel like that covers both one and two.

56:05

You know, so those are

56:07

my three top things for someone who wants

56:09

to make themselves better. All

56:12

right. So at this point, what I want to do is I

56:14

want to ask you five rapid fire questions. And

56:16

yeah, yeah, listen, so the other the other

56:18

night I was on a podcast for probably

56:20

two hours and you know, the host did

56:22

the same thing to me and he's like, I'm actually gonna put you

56:24

on a timer. And if you

56:27

guys are wondering that podcast will be the gun experiment,

56:29

but let's let's focus here. So he put me on

56:31

a timer and he asked me I think it was

56:33

10 questions and it took me a minute. So I'm

56:35

not going to time you on these, but I do

56:37

expect a rapid response. So don't think

56:39

just go. And I'm just gonna

56:41

ask you five quick questions. So if

56:44

you're ready for it, this is the rapid fire round,

56:46

which I don't know if it's gonna become a regular

56:48

part of the fieldcraft podcast, but we'll see how this

56:50

one goes. Okay, I'm the

56:52

guinea pig. You are absolutely patient zero.

56:54

You are the start of it all. You are the

56:56

guinea pig. So here we go. All

56:58

right. Right. First question. Favorite

57:01

food? Banana bread.

57:04

Good answer. Second question. Most

57:06

athletic actor and actress. Oh,

57:12

I Chris Hemsworth

57:14

and the

57:16

girl who plays we just

57:19

watched Rebel Moon last night. And I don't know

57:21

her name, but it just

57:23

came out and she was I've never seen anyone

57:25

else like more athletic in a

57:27

movie before place. You wish you

57:29

could visit. Which

57:34

fieldcraft personality would you like to see

57:36

at the tactical games? Mike,

57:41

for sure. What

57:44

soundtrack do you listen to to get pumped up? Slipknot.

57:49

It's mostly psychosocial. All

57:52

right. All right. I'm

57:54

gonna say that that was a very strong performance.

57:56

I got a little little tied up with the

57:58

most athletic actor and actress. I knew you were going to

58:00

say Hemsworth. That

58:02

dude makes every guy angry and that's

58:05

like, we can't look like

58:07

that. At

58:09

least not without ridiculous amounts of

58:11

Hollywood trainers and a dietician and

58:14

ridiculous genes like why does that guy have to make

58:16

us look like we suck so much? And

58:20

I just saw the trailer for that Rebel

58:22

Moon movie which looks awesome. It's

58:24

basically a story of imperialism, isn't it? Yeah,

58:28

I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. I'm

58:30

terrible at watching movies. We

58:32

typically start one and I fall asleep maybe like

58:35

15 minutes in. So I saw the first part

58:37

but we have

58:39

to finish the rest today. But

58:41

the first part of it, this girl was

58:43

just, I was amazed and like

58:46

the way that they captured, they

58:49

filmed her body movements. I was just

58:51

like, this is the coolest part so

58:53

far. Yeah, so

58:55

if we go back to your questions, I'm

58:57

right on you with favorite food and I'm going to

59:00

give a shout out to my

59:03

good friend Alexis and Del. I

59:05

just went hunting with them the other day

59:07

and Alexis is like, oh, Merry Christmas and

59:09

she gave us banana bread cookies and homemade

59:11

Kahlua. I'm like, what an angel. Amazing.

59:15

So shout out to Alexis. Not

59:18

my favorite food, banana bread is not my

59:20

favorite but it is a favorite food. What

59:23

is your favorite? Oh dear God, I don't know

59:25

if I could answer that honestly. I love pumpkin.

59:27

I'm a giant peanut butter slut. Anything

59:32

that is coconut, definitely

59:34

on board with that too. So

59:37

yeah, one of those three flavors. I'll

59:40

pretty much do anything for that. Place

59:42

you could visit, Scotland is gorgeous. I

59:44

was there in 2012? 2012,

59:47

2012? You

59:50

need to hike Ben Nevis. Ben Nevis is the

59:52

highest mountain in Scotland. You need

59:54

to eat haggis. It's

59:56

not as disgusting as people say it is.

59:58

It's really delicious. Okay, I was going to say. I

1:00:00

don't know. Yeah. Yeah and just

1:00:03

be prepared for some of the most white

1:00:05

knuckle driving you will ever do because you're

1:00:07

driving on the other side of the street and Some

1:00:10

of the turns up there are so tight But if you want

1:00:12

to do it on a budget and you really want to see

1:00:14

it Go up there, but bring a

1:00:16

tent and bring camping gear because you can camp

1:00:18

pretty much anywhere you want. It's it's amazing Which

1:00:22

fieldcraft personality would you like to see at the games

1:00:24

Glover? Okay, I get it, you know I

1:00:26

will say that he's the second best

1:00:28

half Asian at the company, you know You

1:00:33

know But yeah, let's see. Let's see

1:00:35

if we can get him to do that You

1:00:38

know, I think it would be fun to see a team

1:00:40

of you know We've been dubbed the the

1:00:42

marketeers, which I think is the dumbest name

1:00:45

ever I don't like that name, but

1:00:47

myself Nate Jones Mike Hernandez and

1:00:50

amber But we do have a

1:00:52

lot of fun together So yeah, that'll be

1:00:54

fun and then the soundtrack you listen to slipknot.

1:00:56

Okay, I'll give you that one I

1:00:59

gotta say you gotta add a little old-school

1:01:01

Pantera in there some Okay.

1:01:04

Yeah, you know some old-school Pantera a little

1:01:06

bit of walk Yeah,

1:01:08

that one makes me want to punch holes in walls You

1:01:12

know Hopefully you don't hit a

1:01:14

stud and you you don't get a boxers fractured

1:01:16

doing that right? It's one of my favorite injuries

1:01:19

I never sustained it but I saw a

1:01:21

kid in college get one Guys walls.

1:01:23

They're usually going to win So

1:01:27

I'd like to say I think you survived the rapid-fire

1:01:29

round now Is there anything that we

1:01:31

didn't cover that you'd like to leave the listener

1:01:33

with? We're coming close to an hour

1:01:35

here on this podcast Is there any message or anything

1:01:37

that you want to leave the listener

1:01:40

with like to get to know Colin not

1:01:42

Colleen? Yeah,

1:01:44

so I think that's so funny that you say

1:01:46

that I had to put it on my Instagram

1:01:49

bio because so many people call

1:01:51

me Colleen and I

1:01:54

try to tell everyone it's like Colin like the boy's

1:01:56

name or it's regular Colin but

1:01:59

with a Y Um, so I

1:02:01

love that you say that because so many people call

1:02:03

me Colleen, but I guess we already

1:02:06

covered it. But honestly, all I would

1:02:09

say is just please like keep moving,

1:02:11

keep moving your body and keep being

1:02:14

a better human every day. It doesn't have

1:02:16

to be anything extravagant. It just

1:02:18

has to be something like what's one thing

1:02:20

you can do today just to be

1:02:23

better than you were yesterday. What's

1:02:25

something you can do that you were afraid of doing

1:02:27

that now you can say, okay, I've been through that.

1:02:29

I'll bring on what's next. That's

1:02:32

what I want people to get

1:02:35

from this. Hopefully, and from me. Where

1:02:38

are people going to be able to follow you

1:02:40

track what you're doing, you know, see all the

1:02:42

things that you're doing, follow the games that you're

1:02:44

participating in and all that? Yeah,

1:02:46

so I'm mainly on Instagram.

1:02:50

My ID handle is at Colin Curry

1:02:53

with an IE at

1:02:55

the end. And I also have a

1:02:57

YouTube channel. It's the

1:02:59

tactical esthetician. I'm

1:03:02

currently an esthetician. So we decided that was

1:03:04

a great name for it. And

1:03:06

there I talk about all things, typically

1:03:08

tactical games, I try to share as

1:03:10

much training that I possibly

1:03:12

can the whole point of my IG

1:03:15

and my YouTube is to inspire people

1:03:17

to hopefully

1:03:19

do these things that are scaring them and they can

1:03:21

look at me and be like, okay, if this girl

1:03:23

is doing it, I can do it. So

1:03:27

hopefully they see them as like an

1:03:29

inspirational thing to move forward. Well,

1:03:31

that's very cool. And you know, I wish

1:03:33

you all the best with all the games

1:03:35

that you're going to be in and with all the

1:03:37

work you're going to be doing with fieldcraft, I guarantee

1:03:39

they're going to have you do more than you expect

1:03:41

you're going to do. So

1:03:44

I wish you all the best with that. And if

1:03:46

you ever want to get into the long range stuff, we got

1:03:48

plenty of cool dudes that can teach that out here. We got

1:03:50

access to a 1800 yard

1:03:52

range at Coleman's Creek that, you know,

1:03:54

we could push you out to well

1:03:56

over a mile shooting a rifle.

1:03:58

So wish you all the best. All the best

1:04:00

and hopefully next time I'm in Arizona meeting up

1:04:03

with Nate Jones and Mikey or at Overland Expo

1:04:05

We'll have you at the booth and you know,

1:04:07

we can share a slice of banana bread or

1:04:09

something like that. I Would

1:04:11

absolutely love that. Yes I

1:04:16

I would also I just want to say thank

1:04:18

you to fieldcraft survival for

1:04:22

for backing me being an incredible

1:04:24

sponsor and being so supportive and

1:04:26

being a Following

1:04:29

the same morals and values that I have where they just

1:04:31

want to create Resilient

1:04:33

human beings and I

1:04:36

love them for that. So, thank you Alright

1:04:40

guys, this has been the fieldcraft survival podcast.

1:04:42

Thank you so much for listening You