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This is the BBC. Good

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morning and welcome to the show. Now,

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I feel duty-bound to inform you, our

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loyal listeners, that as a show,

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we inform Five Live this week that we will

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be leaving at the end of the season and

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our representatives have been talking to, and I hope

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this isn't too indiscreet, Real

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Madrid. Madrid were... I

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mean, they were non-plussed actually and they kept saying

0:53

things like, why on earth will we sign a

0:55

parochial British podcast? We're Real Madrid. We don't need

0:57

your Charlie De Luca. So we've

0:59

now gone back to Five Live

1:01

and said that we were joking and a head of

1:03

the network just sent a caps lock email which reads,

1:06

have a look, good luck in

1:08

Spain. And that is

1:10

actually how we've left it. Let's not dwell on

1:12

that though. Who is on this weekend making a

1:14

staggering 95th appearance?

1:17

On this day, six years ago, she interrupted the

1:19

show with live coverage of speed skating from

1:21

the Winter Olympics, which lasted for about a quarter

1:23

of the show, making it one of the shortest

1:26

fighting talks in the show's history. This is

1:28

her fourth appearance of the season, yet to score

1:30

a win, but has made a couple of

1:32

defending defensibles. First up, it's the first lady

1:34

of fighting talk, Elio Droy. Oh, dear, it'll

1:36

be a funny winning placement. I

1:39

have a horrible feeling as well that when it came to the

1:41

speed skating, it was a catalogue

1:43

of woe because brilliant Elise

1:46

Christie just kept on crashing

1:48

and, you know, skating

1:50

into other people and getting disqualified and

1:52

so I apologise now, six years on.

1:55

I think the colour didn't take it well. Of course

1:57

it didn't. It would have been absolutely fuming. I

2:00

think I was then barred from talking about the Winter Olympics while

2:03

he was on ever again. I think you're back

2:05

in on... That might change today. I think you

2:07

can talk Winter Olympics as much as you like

2:09

now. Alright, on for show

2:11

number five. Last time on in December

2:13

I actually awarded him his first fighting

2:15

talk victory, having gone zero from three

2:17

with Colin Murray. Made him

2:20

the third pool to win fighting talk

2:22

after Sinner and McNamee. He's scored 41

2:24

or 42 points on every appearance he's

2:26

made to date, stats fans. 72

2:29

plus podcast person, five live host Aaron

2:31

Paul. That just shows how inconsistent in

2:33

what I do. Absolutely, and

2:35

that's why we love you. My

2:37

chance conversion rate is there. Yeah,

2:40

we know exactly what we're going to get from you.

2:42

A hundred very little. Yes. A

2:44

little reliable. Yeah. Last

2:47

time you were on, you basically got married on a flight

2:49

to Dubai. How's that go? Yeah, great.

2:52

Great. I was nervous asking that actually in

2:54

case it was all off. We just

2:56

had a lovely Valentine's and people

2:59

asked how I know that this woman is the

3:01

one booked a lovely

3:03

Vietnamese restaurant in a sleepy little backwater embarks.

3:05

It was lovely. Got all done up like

3:07

a plowman's lunch, bop down there. Even got

3:09

the car washed. Can you believe the car

3:12

was? She is the one who got it

3:14

shine, washed and waxed inside and out. You

3:16

know, she's a geeber. Yeah.

3:19

Got to this restaurant, sat down. It's

3:21

lovely. Imagine. How

3:23

long is this anecdote you reckon? You are.

3:26

I know about it. I have to defend the independent way. Yeah. I'm

3:29

expecting a point for this. Anyway, got in

3:31

there, sat down, ordered a drink. Let me

3:33

firstly tell you, never order a mojito from

3:35

a Vietnamese restaurant. They put all

3:37

sorts of other bits and pieces and

3:40

gubbins in there. Oh my God. There

3:42

was like ginger and chilies. I needed my

3:44

drink strained. Anyway, sat there, had

3:47

a look at the starters and she turned around

3:49

and she goes, she goes, she

3:51

just sacked this off and get a Chinese at home. I

3:54

was like, yeah, go on then. She looked at me. Seriously,

3:56

let me tell you something. Before the bill had come, the

3:58

happy chef was on speed dial. So

4:02

you just went to a Vietnamese restaurant and had a mojito. We

4:05

had a mojito. I went home. A

4:07

summer roll. That's a much shorter way of telling

4:09

the story. Summer roll. You can have a point

4:11

for that. Summer roll. No, stop talking now. You

4:13

have to stop talking now. And the ironic thing

4:16

about the happy chef is he's quite cantankerous. Anymore.

4:20

No, I'd like to do that for you. Also

4:23

on for the fifth time, he may

4:25

have a different preference for host compared

4:27

to Aaron actually. And two of his

4:29

three Colin Murray hosted shows. His only

4:31

appearance under me today resulted in a

4:33

defending and defenceman effort so big that

4:35

the third police finisher was given the win. Comic

4:38

Spurs fan, Millwall fan favourite, George James.

4:41

How are you doing, Rick? You can make it.

4:44

Very well, thank you. If you make it to

4:46

defending and defenceman again, please don't disgrace yourself. As

4:49

I told you last time, I'm great at getting to

4:51

the final, but I'm terrible in that, in the

4:55

last round. I can't take the pressure. Exactly. Don't

4:58

put me close to the final. Okay, we're

5:00

just going for a solid third. Yeah, let's

5:02

do it. Finally, the fourth debutante of 2024,

5:04

depending on how you feel about hyphenated

5:07

names, the third or the fifth Brown

5:09

on the show. If you don't include

5:11

Rachel Brown-Finnis and Ebony Osoro Brown, she's

5:13

following in the footsteps of journalist James

5:15

and sometimes football manager Phil. She

5:18

is the ninth England rugby union international to

5:20

appear on the show, possibly our first ever

5:22

former hammer thrower, Shauna Brown. How are you doing?

5:24

How do you get those back? Just

5:27

Googling it. No way. Always just

5:29

Googling. Never correct. I'm not right

5:31

about being correct. Well, yeah. I

5:34

just need something to say. I would never

5:36

do that. Here's a question

5:38

for you. A, when was the last time

5:40

you threw a hammer? B, if

5:42

we were to find you a hammer, we're not going to

5:44

do this, and go outside now, how far do you reckon

5:46

you could launch it? Do you reckon you'd break 60? Answer

5:49

A, last summer. Okay, okay. I

5:52

rejoined Blackie from Bromley in my athletic club, had

5:54

a chuck around, lay out. How

5:56

far the threat? Probably 45, 50 metres. I

5:59

reckon I'll practice. I got myself to do that. Well

6:01

your PB's in the 60s though, isn't it?

6:03

Yeah, at the peak of my career when

6:05

I was training four or five times a

6:07

week. I reckon maybe 50, okay. Maybe

6:10

50. How much do you think you could do Rick?

6:12

I reckon I'd do five, six metres. Easy. And

6:16

that's basically me falling over with it. That's

6:18

the best space in the studio. But

6:21

not that much space for me. Don't worry, Rick,

6:23

we'll start you off like with rubber mallets. Oh

6:25

thank you. Aaron, anything you want to add to your

6:27

story? Of course not. Let's get on with it for

6:29

the love of, well just getting to the news on

6:31

time ideally. We'll begin with this

6:33

guy finding the back of the net finally.

6:35

Alvarez is out swinging delivery, headed down into

6:37

the ground, where will he get a fall

6:39

on the rebound? Harlan! The

6:42

weight's over. He's back on the

6:44

score sheet. Bluffs it

6:46

home and Manchester City finally

6:49

had the breakthrough against Everton.

6:52

Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola about his top goal

6:54

scorer said how many games did Erling play and

6:56

how many goals his body language is not a

6:58

problem. But whose body language

7:01

speaks volumes right now and

7:03

what is it saying, Ellie? I'm

7:05

not sure about right now this very second because

7:08

hopefully he's on holiday but I'm thinking about Joss

7:10

Butler during the World Cup, Cricket World Cup at

7:12

the end of last year where, I mean, even

7:14

when he's winning things, I'm looking at pictures of

7:16

him winning the T20 World Cup and he still

7:19

looks sad. He's just got a sad

7:21

face. There is something about... He's just a hang dog guy. Yeah.

7:24

He's got lovely blue eyes but

7:26

they always look sad in a

7:29

strange way and there was a particular game

7:31

where they won the toss and elected to

7:33

bowl on one of the hottest days you

7:36

could possibly elect to bowl on field on

7:38

and behind the

7:40

stance he just seemed to shrink and

7:42

shrivel and I thought, yeah, that body

7:44

language is not helping your team. Not

7:47

it's... Brilliant player. But

7:49

cheer those eyes up. Not great on body language. Joss.

7:53

So prior to his fight with Otto while

7:55

in AJ, he drew a bit of criticism,

7:57

didn't he, for being a bit

8:00

short with Joss Butler. press and not really giving

8:02

him much. He of course was in bad

8:04

man mode as he

8:07

dominated O'warling with a fifth round of

8:09

stoppage showing shades of the old AJ

8:12

and setting up a potential fight with either Ulysses

8:14

or Tyson Fury. Yeah and just an

8:16

extra point for bad man mode I think. Shauna.

8:19

For me it's tough to have a conversation

8:21

about body language on radio is the first thing

8:23

because I instantly want to act out her actions. Don't

8:25

let the radio limit you. You ought to run from

8:27

out of your cab. Just marry

8:29

up and just say in her name you just want to

8:31

like rig your chest up. I think every

8:34

time she saves the goal I just imagine that she's doing it

8:36

and not as she doesn't. BBC

8:38

sports personality of the year 2023 took loads of

8:40

criticism for it. I don't know because he's

8:42

a woman and surely she shouldn't win and

8:44

he hasn't won enough but fantastic. And

8:47

off the pitch as well you've got, she

8:49

represented the night goalkeeper's shirt and that people

8:51

didn't, they said people didn't want to buy

8:54

it. She put it out there to say

8:56

people want to buy it, sold off the shelf. And

8:58

they bought it. And they bought it and now it's

9:00

done left. Yeah and also your impression is good. Thank

9:03

you. Aaron. Gillian

9:05

Mbappe. Gotta be him. I mean he's just

9:07

checked out of PSC hasn't he? He's not

9:09

bothered anymore. He's going to become a Friday

9:11

afternoon builder in the league but watch when

9:13

they draw Well Madrid in the Champions League

9:15

he'll be batting his eyelashes at Florentino Perez

9:18

just to get the cheque book out. Come

9:20

on Florentino. Come and get me. That's what

9:22

he said. I'm a celebrity. Get me out

9:24

of here. Alright

9:26

question number two comes from you

9:28

the listeners and it comes from

9:31

Joe Campbell. Morning Joe. Good

9:33

morning. How are you? Yeah very well thank

9:35

you. Now you are a

9:38

bus driver is that right? That's

9:40

correct yeah. Well here we go then. That

9:50

is yours for life now Joe. You are

9:52

very well. What is your question? As

10:00

with overall processed food, living in the

10:02

news this week, what warning

10:04

labels would you put on individual

10:06

sports stars? Warning

10:09

labels on individual sports stars, Aaron. Bruno

10:11

Fernandez, with the amount of strokes this

10:13

man throws, he should have like a

10:15

volatile substance label on the side of

10:17

it at all times. Josh?

10:21

Well, Peter Crouch is known for his lanky

10:23

and skinny physique, so I'd probably stick a

10:26

label on him that says vegan. Shauna?

10:29

Mani Tuolangi. He's

10:32

going to be fragile, handle with care. He

10:34

has six months out of time, 15 months

10:36

out of time. He'll go back

10:38

to a game for a few minutes. He's out for

10:40

another six months and he's currently,

10:43

well, he's in line to get back

10:45

into the squad for England against Scotland, but

10:47

I think he's... How long is it going to last? Exactly.

10:50

He's got the best... Yeah.

10:53

And he's even seen a witch doctor about it is so bad,

10:55

hoping that his last resort, see a witch doctor, hopefully that

10:57

will fix him. It can never be

10:59

your first resort, can it? No, I'm

11:01

feeling a bit peaky. I'll

11:04

go and see the witch doctor. Ellie?

11:07

Morning, Joe, by the way. I actually

11:09

went and looked in my fridge to look at the labels

11:11

on some of the items in my fridge. One

11:13

said, keep refrigerated after purchase, which

11:16

you could apply to. Eric Cantona,

11:18

for example, famously fiery. Nick Kirioff

11:21

as well. And also do

11:23

not exceed use by date. And

11:26

this is kind of tricky, isn't it? Because I'm going to

11:28

go for Tiger Woods on this. I mean, he's still playing.

11:31

But if you mentioned to Andy Murray that he might

11:33

ruin his legacy by carrying on playing, he's going to

11:35

kick off big time. And Jimmy

11:37

Anderson still bowling at 41 and still

11:40

bowling brilliantly. He's still getting lemon juice in his hair, like he's

11:42

16. Well, yes, we may

11:44

talk about that later on. But yeah, still just

11:46

as good as he ever was. So I think

11:48

Jimmy has exceeded his use by date and

11:51

still doing it for England. All right, Joe, I'm

11:53

wondering, will that little morning Joe, which is a

11:55

nice touch from Ellie, the first lady of Imagine

11:58

Talk, will that get her the three points? I

12:00

wonder. Well to be

12:02

fair my thought was campfire so

12:05

I think I'll have to go to LA. It

12:07

is in the go so early. You don't

12:09

have to butter him up anymore. Thanks very

12:11

much Joe have a good day. Thank

12:18

you very much mate. Our

12:21

next question is all about this. After

12:42

that last minute controversial decision Scottish rugby

12:45

according on the sport's governing body to

12:47

acknowledge that the game defining mistake was

12:49

made in the last seconds of their

12:51

Six Nations game against France. Who in

12:53

sport are you still waiting to see

12:56

hold their hands up and admit they

12:58

were wrong Josh? So after

13:00

winning I think it's the

13:02

last 11 Bundesliga titles in a row

13:04

but Bayern Munich looks set to lose

13:07

this year's Bundesliga title to Bayern

13:09

Leverkusen after 3-0 defeat to

13:12

Jaby Alonso's side last Saturday. So

13:14

look what I want to say is if Harry Kane

13:16

wanted to be trophy-less he could have stayed at the

13:18

mighty Spurs couldn't he? It's not so late to admit

13:20

that you're wrong come back to

13:22

us and let's be miserable together. What

13:25

an offer that is. Shauna.

13:28

It's got to be world famous we all

13:30

know it the European Handball Federation.

13:33

Oh tell me about it. Let me tell me

13:35

about it what are you talking about? So they

13:37

find the Norwegian women's beach

13:40

handball team for wearing shorts they

13:42

find him 13 years

13:45

ago for wearing shorts when the rules

13:47

say that they were supposed to wear knickers

13:49

they probably said bikini bottoms but they're knickers

13:51

while playing a sport they was told it

13:53

was improper it's not rules of the game

13:56

and yet Norwegian Handball Federation praised their players

13:58

for standing up change in attitude. They're

14:00

sportsmen, as they said, it's a completely ridiculous decision. And

14:02

by the way, men get to play in shorts and

14:04

vest, of course. But

14:07

on a latter note, men seemed to get it

14:09

wrong too. The Man United shirts, they

14:11

were too tight and the players refused to

14:13

wear them. They resorted to wearing the fan

14:15

shirts instead, which was a slightly baggier fit. Yeah,

14:18

I'm now just thinking about whether I want to see

14:20

a man's handball team playing in their knickers. Yeah. Think

14:22

of magic. I know, it's not what he said about

14:24

me, but I think I do want to see them.

14:26

I absolutely want to see them. I think I do.

14:28

Maybe just you, Rude. Okay, fine.

14:30

There's a point for a job. I

14:32

mean, Aaron, there's only ever one answer

14:34

to this. Pete Wingelman,

14:38

you do not steal football clubs. You do

14:40

not franchise football clubs. You build them. Apologise

14:43

and stop calling your fake

14:45

institution with your empty stadium,

14:47

the Dons. There's only one

14:49

Wimbledon. Okay, that's it. Job

14:52

done. See you later. Move on. How

14:54

many more mentions do you think they're going

14:56

to get? Until he's dropped, I will mention

14:58

every time. Yeah. Ellie. I'm

15:01

going to go for another controversy, actually. So the very end of

15:03

the 2021 F1 season

15:05

in Abu Dhabi when Lewis

15:08

Hamilton is robbed, partly

15:11

by Max Verstappen, but more specifically by the

15:13

race director, Michael Massey, who it was

15:15

all to do with the safety car. I'm not going to bore

15:18

you because I looked on Wikipedia and I thought... It's a

15:20

long old entry. It's a long old entry. That's going to

15:22

take us all the way through to turn the indefensible... A

15:24

bit longer than one of Aaron's anecdotes. But

15:26

the interesting thing was that they sat Massey as the

15:28

race director. They changed all the rules on the safety

15:30

car, rules for

15:33

subsequent seasons, but it didn't change the

15:35

result. So Verstappen was still world champion,

15:37

still won the race. So actually, I

15:39

think, you know, what you

15:41

need to do is to say admit you're wrong

15:43

and actually then change things, put it right. So,

15:45

I mean, I never... You will rarely hear me

15:47

say very positive things about

15:50

IOC decisions. But actually they

15:52

have done that with the Winter Olympics when it

15:54

was two years ago, when they stripped

15:56

the gold medal away from the Russians because Vallevo

15:58

cheated. It was a dope... and

16:00

gave that gold medal to the USA instead.

16:02

So admit you're wrong and then put it

16:05

right. Yeah, and I'm sure the

16:07

Premier League will do the same thing

16:09

as well in the fullness of time.

16:11

Okay, question number four. Last Sunday's edition

16:13

of the annual NFL Super Bowl was

16:15

the most watched ever, thanks

16:17

in part to the Taylor Swift

16:19

effect. What are the other sports

16:21

events that were dominated by a

16:23

non participant? Start with you, Shauna.

16:26

The BOMA Sevens, so it's annual festival, happens

16:28

during the summer. The main event is rugby,

16:31

Rugby Sevens. I was in the title, but

16:33

you have netball, cheerleading, dodgeball, basketball, but the

16:36

main event is the acts.

16:38

So this year they've got headline in

16:40

rudimentals in previous years, example, KTB, location

16:42

status, professor green, fat man scoop, artful

16:44

dodger, jaguar skills. And my favorite bits,

16:46

I've been a few times, and

16:49

my favorite bit is when I'm with a fellow festival goer.

16:51

And I say, oh, what sport are you here to do?

16:53

Well, watch and I like sport? What?

16:56

What? Oh my God, are

16:58

you playing rugby, netball? Look, we were talking

17:00

about this. We've seen it for

17:02

a good time. So I think genuinely a lot of

17:04

them don't realize it's actually a sport special event. I

17:07

was sort of thinking, why aren't these people running around

17:09

and ruining my first experience? Loads of various muzzes everywhere,

17:11

knickers everywhere, men in knickers effectively.

17:14

You're all right, mate, I'm coming along. Josh.

17:18

So February 28th, 2005, relegation

17:21

is looming for Norwich, who are drawing two to

17:23

our own, as

17:26

the half-time whistle blows. The atmosphere is a

17:28

bit dead. At

17:31

Carrow Road, so celebrity chef,

17:33

shareholder, and absolute hooligan. Genius.

17:38

Takes it upon herself, so liven up

17:40

the crowd, give her, you know, their

17:42

own half-time performance. As she walks

17:44

on the pitch at the break, microphone in hand and

17:46

shouts to the fans, where are you? Let's

17:49

be having you. Come on. There

17:51

she is. Where are

17:54

you? I'm sorry. Let's be

17:56

having you. Needless to say,

17:58

the Norwich fans are... filming

18:01

they're thinking to themselves these switch fans

18:03

aren't going to let us live this

18:05

down. The outcome? Norwich lose the game

18:07

subsequently get relegated that season. The

18:10

question is, was she a bit tipsy?

18:13

Oh you sort of feel like she must have. You'd

18:15

had a dry Sherry or six. Aaron,

18:19

February 2017 FA

18:21

Cup round five Sutton United versus

18:23

Arsenal, one of the biggest games

18:26

in Sutton United's recent history and a

18:28

man, he

18:31

goes by the name of Wayne

18:34

Short, he went by the term

18:36

the rolly-polly goalie. The Sutton United

18:38

goalkeeping coach slash part-time caretaker who

18:40

in fact lived on the sofa

18:43

in the manager's office simply eats

18:46

a Cornish pasty on the bench in

18:48

full knowledge that a bookie has got

18:50

an eight to one odd on him

18:53

to eat a pie on the bench.

18:55

The FA subsequently investigate him and find

18:57

him in breach of betting rules. He's

18:59

given a ban from football, finds

19:01

£375, loses his job at Sutton United but swings

19:06

him roundabouts here. Morrison's phoned him up and go

19:08

fancy being our chief pie taker. Happy

19:12

days. I realized I was laughing quite openly

19:14

there at a breach of betting rules and

19:16

something. Great. Ellie.

19:20

Super Bowl last Sunday made us think

19:22

on the Brex program about the

19:24

great the great halftime shows and I had to

19:26

admit to the fact that the only Super Bowl

19:29

I've ever been to, halftime show was Stevie Wonder

19:31

who I've always wanted to go and see live.

19:33

Turns out I did see him live and I

19:35

had no memory of seeing him live whatsoever and

19:37

all I can say is I must have been

19:39

professional enough to be concentrating on

19:42

the game focusing on the Denver Broncos against

19:44

it. Lance Falken went to get myself a

19:46

cup of tea at halftime, missed Stevie

19:48

Wonder in the Super Bowl. We actually not

19:51

only sang with Gloria Estefan but also tap

19:53

dance. Wow. Look it up. It's

19:55

extraordinarily thick and I missed it but Super Bowl

19:57

halftime shows. I'm kind of guessing that people weren't necessarily...

20:00

think about Usher when they think about the

20:02

Super Bowl in future fighting talks when we

20:04

ask this question but doesn't feel like

20:06

no but I but I would just say two

20:08

words and actually see to be enough

20:11

for a question coming up later in the show

20:13

Janet Jackson oh yes oh

20:16

yeah I'm saying I was hoping when you

20:18

were saying that you didn't remember seeing Stevie

20:20

Wonder that you were Delia Smith out of your mind let

20:30

us check in with the score so Aaron

20:32

trading behind mainly because he lost quite a

20:34

lot of points before the show started on

20:37

11 Josh has got 13

20:39

Shauna on 14 way out

20:42

ahead at the moment Ellie

20:44

on 19 I mean yeah

20:46

largely she moves that bus

20:52

driver morning Joe he

20:55

said good morning if

20:59

you if you go past him you'd give him the bus driver wave as well

21:01

and you don't

21:06

even drive a bus you get off the

21:08

bus at the back of the bus thank you

21:12

driver yeah you feel like you're a

21:14

good person it's only after a certain

21:16

age though

21:19

you can't do that

21:22

I am that age

21:24

but genuinely if any of you start

21:27

with morning Rick you will get more

21:29

points thousands of West Ham fans were

21:31

shown heading for home even before the

21:33

halftime whistle was blown during their sixth

21:35

nil thumping to Arsenal on 606 Chris

21:38

Sutton a man who makes a Victor Meldrew seem like he'd

21:40

be fun to sit next to on a

21:43

plane so true fans should never leave early

21:45

so time for an FT

21:47

confessional here when and why did

21:49

you leave live sport early and

21:51

be honest were you a true

21:53

fan that day Josh

21:56

I mean funnily enough that this West Ham

21:59

I've left so many Spurs went in the

22:01

case where we're losing to them. So yeah

22:03

I mean I always leave if they're not

22:05

at it you know I feel like I've

22:07

paid the money to decide when's enough enough

22:09

you know and I've I've gone there

22:11

for entertainment at the end of the day if

22:14

you're not entertaining me I'm not gonna stay I'm a

22:16

big Idris Elba fan right yeah but I

22:18

went to watch that film he was in Cats

22:21

and I had to go after Thought

22:23

Folds. It was

22:25

absolute rubbish and someone

22:27

should ask Chris Sutton what would he apply

22:30

that to any other industry right so say

22:32

he went to buy a sandwich from his

22:34

mate's shop and he sits down to eat

22:36

that sandwich and then he realized that sandwich

22:39

tastes like a jockstrap mm-hmm would he finish it

22:41

till the end or would he get home early

22:43

so he can watch Strictly? He probably is gonna

22:46

make a move. Well look I'm gonna

22:48

put that question to Sutton and we

22:50

will reveal the answer on next week's

22:52

show. Yeah lovely. Yeah, Shauna. Good

22:55

morning Rick. Yeah. It's

22:58

so easy Josh. So easy.

23:02

For me confession time is is leaving pretty

23:04

much every England men's game at Twickenham or

23:06

rugby at Twickenham that I go just

23:09

because I'm there to work I'm

23:11

not there to enjoy it and

23:13

so I just leave and

23:16

actually my argument is that it's part of

23:18

the ecosystem of fans and then that if

23:20

everybody leaves when it ends then there's too

23:22

much traffic so if people like me take

23:24

one on the chin and

23:27

leave a bit earlier there's less people to leave. This is

23:29

real public spirited stuff from you. Exactly and

23:31

I'm all about I'm all for the people so

23:34

I mean I'm glad I wasn't in France to

23:36

watch the South Africa semi-final because I

23:38

would have missed a final kick and I would have

23:40

left thinking oh fantastic we're in the final we

23:42

weren't but yeah it's just part of

23:44

the ecosystem I'm doing my

23:47

bit for society. Yeah and thank you. You're

23:49

welcome. Ellie. I think slightly

23:52

in my defence here that I had a good

23:54

20 years of every single Saturday afternoon I was

23:56

at a football game. Yes. Of one sort or

23:58

another in the middle I mean Aaron will know

24:00

all about this when it is February, it is

24:03

freezing, you cannot feel your feet, you

24:05

cannot feel your hands. They say,

24:07

well, we're going to come, we'll come to you after about half an hour

24:09

of sports report because we've got lots more interesting

24:11

stuff to do. So you're sitting there

24:13

for hours. So I remember going to a Fulham

24:15

game just for fun. A few years ago, March

24:17

was a lovely spring day, daffodils were up, beautiful

24:20

weather. So it was nice, nice day together.

24:23

Craving costumes are a nice one. Great. We're going to have

24:25

a beer at half time. We'll really enjoy it. And

24:27

it was one of those spring days that turned to

24:29

winter at about half past seven.

24:32

And I think it was light fleece type

24:34

situation. So we had the wrong clothes on

24:37

left. I mean, the way the wind howled

24:39

round the Riverside stand. You can, you can

24:41

feel it. But actually, it wasn't really

24:43

a fan because I was kind of a bit of a neutral on that

24:45

one. But my early football watching days back in

24:48

the 1980s, early 1980s going to Birmingham

24:50

city and you had to leave early

24:52

because otherwise you probably got blicked by

24:54

the old physical fan. It was those

24:59

days. Those are the days. Ellie Aldroyd versus the Zulus.

25:01

Yeah, we've got out. You've got the hell out. Aaron.

25:06

Ellie's basically just taking my answer there. I've

25:08

never left a sporting event early because can

25:10

you imagine Mark Chapman come through going all

25:12

over at the den Aaron Paul and I'm

25:14

not there. Yeah, I understand

25:16

it is all over. Yes. Yes. What would

25:18

happen there? Well, Aaron's got to get out the car

25:20

park. You know, Zampa roads the nightmare, but there's

25:24

only one time and that's it.

25:26

There's sort of like a caveat to it. I

25:29

went to the FA Cup final last year with

25:31

Joby Mackinoff's dad. Shout out Uncle Melvin, legend of

25:33

the game. But I had to leave

25:35

on 80 minutes because I was presenting 606 with

25:38

Chris Sutton. Now Chris Sutton was taking like a

25:40

motorbike to MBH and I did have a fancy

25:42

sitting on the back of his motorbike. So I

25:44

thought, you know what? Play it safe, get the

25:46

met line. Got there in time. I even went

25:48

to the shop and bought him a juice. Did

25:50

he say thank you? No, of course.

25:52

Did he even drink it? Road, road,

25:54

man. It was an embongo. Let's

25:57

have a look at the scores before we go to

25:59

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26:01

Josh on 16, Shorter on

26:03

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27:22

Hello and welcome back to Fighting Talk. Welcome

27:24

back to our panel, Ellie Aldroy, Aaron Paul,

27:27

Josh James and Sean Brown. Time to rifle

27:29

through the crinkle old pages of our archives

27:31

today in Fighting Talk history. 17th

27:34

of February 2007 saw the

27:36

debut of Australian comedian Tim Jeffries. Ellie

27:38

actually texted the show to complain after

27:40

a round-off to do the best female

27:43

sports team in the world was. And

27:45

one of the answers was Cagney and

27:47

Lacey and Ellie quite right. Absolutely disgraceful.

27:50

Absolutely disgraceful. Wouldn't happen now. Sisters.

27:53

And then 17th of February 2018, as you've already heard,

27:55

Ellie continues to build her part in interrupting the show

27:58

for, I think, the show. Honestly,

28:00

15 minutes with Olympic speed skating

28:02

coverage. Gay Lenz, a new

28:06

record for the longest losing streak in

28:08

fighting talk history. Richard Osman's a new

28:10

record for the longest winning streak, seven

28:13

in a row. We've got a big

28:15

hooping hand from Debbie Tont, Clinton Morrison,

28:17

who completely failed to understand defending the

28:19

defensive. It can happen. I

28:21

mean, Josh is nodding. Onwards.

28:25

Game changer time, five points for one of you, none

28:27

for the rest. This next

28:29

question has got Big Ange

28:31

feeling blue. One team being down to

28:33

10 men for 10 minutes, you know what it's going to do

28:36

to our game? It's going to destroy it,

28:38

mate. You're going to have one team just sitting

28:40

there trying to waste time for 10 minutes waiting

28:42

for a guy to come on. Every other game

28:44

is trying to speed up. Every other sport is

28:46

trying to declutter. All we're trying to do is

28:49

go the other way for some bizarre reason. We

28:52

just sound so disappointed by it. The

28:55

proposal of blue cards and sin bins have,

28:57

in fact, been roundly panned by the world

28:59

of football. Can you give me one rule

29:01

change that you're convinced would make a sport

29:04

better? And it's effectively, it's the one that

29:06

I would most like to see. We'll get

29:08

the five points here, I think. Aaron?

29:12

I've got a two-fold answer for you,

29:14

one-way answer, one-way question. Sorry, pal. The

29:17

first is stop booking footballers

29:20

when they take their shirt off to celebrate a

29:22

goal. I just think it's the most smarmiest rule

29:25

ever known to man. Something like Randall from

29:27

Reches was... would have invented it. You're not

29:29

big referee. You're a small-town cop. Yeah. When

29:31

you book someone up to score on a

29:33

late winner, you're just sucking the fun out

29:35

of the game. Speaking of sucking the fun

29:37

out of the game, as you know, I

29:39

cover the AFL on Firefly. Absolutely love it.

29:41

There's something quite pure about it as, like,

29:44

a footballing, like a league. Don't

29:46

give us VAR. Please do not

29:49

ever bring VAR into the football league.

29:51

You're just going to ruin it. The

29:53

last sort of remaining bastion of, like,

29:56

football purity in England. Don't do it.

29:58

Good, honest mistakes. Yes, that

30:00

we all understand. It's true though, I prefer

30:02

it. What I do love about it is,

30:04

you know, you get them bone crunching tackles

30:06

in the EFO and the referee just waves

30:08

it away. Look, my team this

30:10

season, we have seen actual rugby where players

30:12

have been hauled down and we haven't got

30:14

a penalty. Yes, we're upset about it for

30:17

two minutes. But you get over it.

30:19

We forget about it once we're on the gins,

30:21

like Delia. We're all

30:23

right. You know,

30:25

I don't think my wife will thank me for saying

30:27

this, but when she was a kid

30:29

and she was playing football in the garden

30:31

with her brother, it

30:33

was around the time that Ravinelli was doing his

30:35

celebration with his shirt. And she was doing it

30:37

a lot. And her dad was saying, you can't,

30:40

you know, I don't think this really is for

30:42

you. This is a great image. Chloe

30:46

Kelly got away with it. Yes, you do actually.

30:48

You don't like kids

30:50

like that was the celebration back in the

30:52

day. Now all they're doing is bloody suing.

30:54

You sue. Waste

30:56

of time. Ellie. In

30:59

tennis, the let. So

31:02

on a serve. So you serve

31:04

the ball, skins the net, net

31:07

cord, drops in

31:10

and you play a let. You can do this endless

31:12

amounts of times. I think you should get rid of

31:14

that because it can slow it down. I mean, you

31:16

know, it takes ages for them to serve a lot

31:18

of them anyway. You know, if you're rapping the dial,

31:20

you're bouncing the ball endlessly before you serve. Get rid

31:22

of the let because, you know, so the receiving player

31:24

will say, oh, but it's not fair because if it

31:26

hits the net and it just boggles over the net,

31:28

it's not fair because I can't get from the back.

31:31

But you can learn to deal with it and

31:33

you accept it during the course of the rally. Of

31:35

course, you do. It's just like sometimes you get unlucky.

31:37

And there's absolutely exactly in the course of the

31:39

rally, you know, but I think you develop a

31:41

whole new skill set of getting the ball to

31:44

just kind of bobble over the net. And then

31:46

it adds a bit of jeopardy as well. Yeah.

31:48

Get rid of it. Speeds the game up. That's

31:52

a great answer. Shauna. I'd

31:54

go sort of a twofold one. Something

31:57

I'd add would be compulsory celebrations, particularly a

31:59

sport like rugby. It's a very large dog.

32:01

well to do it all very good medical

32:03

will you could try and know be really

32:05

celebrates anymore and I rarely at as much

32:07

rather watch Nfl the bits I do see

32:09

a genuine need the celebrations so I'd make

32:11

it. You have to celebrate if you don't

32:13

celebrate. no. Points. Out

32:15

and minimum. Of three players and a

32:18

minimum of ten seconds a celebration.

32:20

Has to be in. Yeah, it's gotta be. Some

32:22

is good. We decently choreograph. Decently choreographed a

32:24

book. also. I think I would change selection

32:26

and who comes on teams. You'd have people

32:28

who was good at performance. Yeah on the

32:30

scene just to make sure you get

32:32

most points. Roger Wicker images rubbish at

32:35

roughly every summer. unbelievable Einstein stuff. But

32:37

then. A natural law change our the and. As

32:40

a forward, this is probably not what I'm

32:42

supposed to say, but outlaw driving maul. So.

32:45

Effectively So those who don't know East

32:47

or. Ten Twelve. his players just

32:49

heads, arms everywhere against each other

32:51

trying to get the ball. A.

32:54

Little bit further than it was and

32:56

five meters is seen as a successful

32:58

and I think just give me the

33:00

ball I could do it myself. What

33:02

a waste of time but what a

33:04

waste of energy you've got. Top is

33:06

her each other, elbows everywhere, black eyes

33:08

and he to think. Just

33:10

leave it braithwaite. Get five meters

33:13

yourself most com. You succumb to Punjabi

33:15

wedding and see what? Happens

33:18

is a regular occurrence drive and live among

33:21

families. Are just.

33:23

I've got a women's boxing comedy to me

33:25

that rounds for a to be a two

33:27

minute rounds for ten rounds should be increased

33:30

hurt so much. The men's which visa free

33:32

minute rounds with twelve. Rounds.

33:35

For knockouts more action more

33:37

he saw a which will

33:39

no doubt result in more

33:41

money more since his who

33:43

was the women so we

33:45

focus. On main

33:47

are really like mandatory celebrations by Think

33:50

for a genuine rule change or think

33:52

would enhance the game of golf. Gotta

33:54

give it to our like of gossip.

33:58

yeah saddam Five

34:00

points from Joe, warning Joe. Five

34:03

points from me as well. I mean it's

34:05

basically a race for second place at this point. Alright,

34:08

England cricket captain Ben Stokes currently playing in

34:11

his 100th test match out in India. He

34:13

was talking about his approach to the game

34:15

and said, I don't get much pleasure out

34:17

of a draw. I

34:19

think he's wrong there. I want you

34:21

to remind Ben of a sporting draw

34:24

that genuinely left you enthralled.

34:27

Aaron. November 28th, 2018. Villa

34:31

Park. Aston Villa 5. Nottingham

34:34

Forest 5. Two

34:36

former European Cup winners, both

34:38

like these fallen heroes, these

34:40

wounded animals lurking around in

34:42

the wilderness of the championship,

34:44

just engaging in pure heavyweight

34:46

battle. Tammy Abraham scored four,

34:49

yeah? But it was Lewis

34:51

Graben who grabbed the last goal of the

34:53

game, no pun intended. I think

34:56

it was like the 85th minute. What I was trying to

34:58

work out and I was trying to research is how much

35:00

was the ticket price that day, because I wanted to work

35:02

out sort of like what kind of value for money you

35:04

get. But a 5-5 draw, what more do you want? This

35:07

is why the EFL is the greatest out there. Yeah,

35:09

I mean I really like the fact that you do

35:11

all of the EFL for 5-5 and

35:13

you've described it as the wilderness of the championship. A

35:17

two European, former European...

35:20

Great advert. Josh. Josh.

35:23

I've gone for England 2, Greece 2

35:25

at Old Trafford on 5th October 2001.

35:28

We all remember that World Cup qualifier.

35:30

Deepest stoppage time with England trailing 2-1.

35:33

Upset Old Golden Bulls, David Beckham to put

35:35

England through to the World Cup by

35:37

the skin of their teeth. We all go

35:39

mad. Beckham becomes a patron

35:41

saint in England and we forgive

35:43

him for the Argentina game or

35:46

any future shenanigans with Rebecca Luz.

35:49

Ellie. I'd

35:51

like to remind Ben Stokes of

35:54

Last Summer. And actually very exciting

35:56

Ashes series, which was drawn to you

35:58

all. It was incredible. Australia

36:00

retained the urn, but you know, moral

36:02

ashes guys. But actually going back to

36:04

the bit third, the O5 ashes had

36:06

two brilliant draws. So the

36:08

Old Trafford game on the final day,

36:10

fifth day, 20,000 people were

36:13

locked out of Old

36:15

Trafford, extraordinarily, and Australia hung on

36:17

to the very end and McGraw

36:19

and Lee just kind of avoided

36:22

the defeat. And then the

36:25

Australians celebrated, avoiding the defeat, and Michael

36:27

Vaughan said to the England team, look

36:29

at them celebrating a draw that tells

36:31

you everything about the way we're on top

36:33

of them. And then of course England, that famous

36:35

draw at the Oval at the very end with

36:38

Kevin Peterson and the ashes came home at

36:40

last. Shauna. Women's

36:42

Rugby World Cup 2014, it was

36:44

England versus Canada. The score was

36:46

13-13 and while the game itself

36:48

wasn't overwhelming, it was more what

36:50

it did to the pool stages

36:52

and to the knockout stages. So

36:55

Canada needed at least 12 points to

36:57

get through on points difference, but that

36:59

meant New Zealand didn't go through to

37:02

knockout stages. New Zealand have dominated men's

37:04

and women's rugby for forever and a

37:06

day. And for them to not make

37:08

it to the semis, it then was

37:11

suggested that England would then have a

37:13

favorable semi who then met Canada again

37:15

in the final England one. But

37:18

the best bit is that they were

37:20

publicly accused of getting a draw on

37:22

purpose. To the point where there's newspaper

37:24

reports, plural, to say

37:26

England opted for the draw. They had a

37:29

chance to kick for points and they chose

37:31

to draw the game. And you know

37:33

these are forces and no sports people

37:35

themselves because no matter how

37:38

you feel as an elite sportsperson, there's no way

37:40

you'd ever choose to draw. Yeah,

37:43

you're always going to want to win. No matter what anybody

37:45

says, managers, tactical decisions, you're always going

37:47

to want to win. So yeah, it's the result of

37:49

it. It shouldn't be a

37:51

rarity, but it is a rarity on this show. Four

37:53

genuinely good answers. So

37:55

well done, panel. Former

37:57

Ryder Cup captain Zach Johnson exchange.

38:00

some angry words with fans as the notoriously

38:02

raucous Phoenix Open was again marred by trouble.

38:04

A friend of mine sent me a link

38:06

to an article that said that there was

38:09

a spectator in one of the bunkers trying

38:11

to make sort of sand angels. So

38:16

Zach Johnson said I'm sick of it and

38:19

he told spectators to just shut up. So

38:22

what is the second most annoying

38:24

group of sports fans, Ellie? I've

38:27

been to see India play at home, not

38:30

at home in India but at home in

38:32

this country. I worked for the World Test

38:35

Championship final last year against Australia and Indian

38:37

cricket fans are fantastic in person. In the

38:39

ground the atmosphere is sensational, the waving

38:41

of the flags, the chanting, the drums, they

38:44

support their team. I think it's great to sit among them

38:46

as well if you're an England fan. People who are on

38:49

that tour will say actually they're really great in

38:51

company in person. On Twitter

38:54

it is absolutely wild out

38:57

there. They are some

38:59

of the most one-eyed people

39:01

that you will ever come across, those Indian

39:03

cricket fans on Twitter. So for example I

39:05

mean Harry Brooke pulled out for personal reasons

39:07

of the tour currently and

39:11

it was all you're running away from our spinners. Virak

39:13

Kohli pulls out for personal reasons a couple of days

39:15

later. Absolutely nothing. They're like

39:18

that with politics as well. But actually they

39:20

are so passionate about

39:22

their team and you love that about them but

39:24

they also get very very angry if things go

39:27

wrong for the team as well. So they will

39:29

troll the England players or the opposition players but

39:31

they'll troll their own players as well. So at least they're

39:33

consistent. Yeah I suppose.

39:35

Aaron, boxing fans

39:37

because I feel we've come full circle with

39:40

boxing. Once upon a time when Anthony Joshua was

39:42

in his pomp people were paying 20 shots a

39:45

go to sit in a stinky pub to go

39:47

and watch a giant screen and it became like

39:49

a bit of a date night thing and then

39:51

everyone become a boxing expert on social media. So

39:53

you know Dave from the pub like talking about

39:55

southpaw versus orthodox give it a rest mate you

39:58

haven't got a clue. But now... I

40:00

say we've come full circle because Saudi

40:02

Arabia, it's not even a contest anymore, it's

40:04

like the golden globes of sport. I feel

40:06

like every time someone throws a punch, we're

40:09

gonna have like, you know, like a camera

40:11

pan to like someone in the crowd just

40:13

like blank face. Everyone's just like they're looking

40:15

at Christiana and Adam. I don't care about

40:17

that. It's sanitization.

40:22

They're not even on the beers. It's

40:24

like the worst paid jolly in the

40:26

world. Honestly,

40:29

there's real pain in Aaron's eyes. I

40:31

really didn't enjoy it. I

40:34

make him right and there's no atmosphere

40:37

in Saudi fights. But this one's probably

40:39

gonna be a bit controversial. But I'll

40:41

probably say any Englishman

40:43

who chooses to support a team in

40:45

the NFL. Get

40:51

a life. Get a life. You

40:54

know, you've got people now walking about

40:56

going, you know, support the Miami Dolphins.

40:59

No, your name's not Chuck or Brody. Your

41:01

name's Gary and you're from Basildon. Go

41:04

get a ticket to Western and shut up.

41:08

Extremely open minded, have you?

41:10

Sure. How do I top

41:12

that? I'd

41:16

go with angry adult football fans,

41:18

particularly those at children's games. You

41:20

see them on the side and

41:22

they're genuinely the rage in their

41:24

body language, in their eyes, in

41:26

their tone of voice. And you

41:28

think that's not okay. And they're

41:30

abusing everyone, whether it's the ref, whether it's

41:32

the coaches, whether it's the players, be it their

41:34

own children, somebody else's children. It's wild

41:37

to think people think it's okay to do

41:39

that on a Sunday morning, not even an

41:41

afternoon Sunday morning. But then the

41:43

best bit for me is when they come away from the

41:45

pitch and you have a conversation with them and they're perfectly

41:47

normal people. And you sort of try and

41:49

address. They walk among us. Yes. And

41:52

you'd never know away from the pitch. So you

41:54

look at them and you have a conversation trying

41:56

to address what just happened. Oh yeah, sorry, I

41:58

just get really into it. I

42:03

think you're describing a certain type of person. It's

42:05

a South London Reebok classic wearing dad. He's not

42:07

wrong in South London. I love South but it's

42:09

true. It's me. It's me. Let's

42:14

have a quick check in with the scores. Ellie obviously

42:17

miles her head from 35. Aaron's

42:19

got 22. Josh and Shauna very

42:22

tight 25 and 26.

42:24

I mean barring

42:26

an absolute catastrophe for Ellie here, she's got

42:28

to be on the fire, isn't she?

42:35

Now we have some very sad news this

42:37

week. The passing of one of British radio's

42:39

greats, the legendary Steve Wright. In

42:42

tribute, I would like sports

42:44

stars or teams as

42:46

love songs. Aaron. The

42:49

Bus Cocks ever fallen in love with someone

42:51

and that could be applied to many a

42:53

footballer but I'm going to talk about a

42:55

young man called Ali Ibrahim Karim Alhamadi. 21

42:57

years old, born in Maize

42:59

in Iraq, signed by my team

43:02

on a free chance of a walk and wonder when he was just

43:04

a nobody. 27 goals later and

43:06

he decides he wants to put up at Portman Road

43:08

and play for Ipswich Town. Ali, you broke my heart.

43:10

Do you know what broke my heart even more? Ipswich

43:12

Town phoned me and go, you know him really well.

43:14

Could you come and do the first interview with him?

43:18

It was heartbreaking because he never knew I was coming

43:20

to the first interview. So when he walks into the

43:23

canteen and sees me and goes, what are you doing

43:25

here, lad? I'm just like, mate, I can't take you

43:27

home, son. It's

43:31

a bit like someone saying to you, right, your ex

43:33

is going out for a date with a new

43:35

guy. Would you come and be the waiter at

43:37

that? Basically,

43:40

yes. Just on a side note, someone

43:42

asked the producer of said interview what

43:45

the interview was like and

43:47

to quote him verbatim, he said they had a

43:49

very long, uncomfortable hug in the cafeteria. I felt

43:51

like I was interfering with something so don't have

43:53

a full day. Was it a two way hug

43:55

or were you just holding him? You

43:58

will never leave me. I

44:00

feel really used because he goes, oh lad, I'm really

44:02

bored up here. Could you bring me my PlayStation when

44:04

you come back? And I was like, no. You're

44:07

done, we're over. It's over. You're gonna bring him

44:09

his PlayStation. No, I'm not. Yeah, you are. Get

44:11

in the bin. I can sit in your eyes.

44:13

Get in the bin. Josh. So

44:16

yeah, nice and quick one for this one.

44:18

I sung for the tune of Angels by

44:20

Robbie Williams. It's a call, so I'm loving

44:22

Big Angie's stead. Yeah, I

44:24

mean, I can't give you any points for that. Oh, and

44:26

that is sort of nicked, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Give me

44:28

a quick morning, Rick. Morning,

44:31

Rick. Yeah, that one. All

44:33

right, Rick. Sorry for you, Rick.

44:35

No. Shauna. I'm

44:38

gonna go with Cher, believe, and bearing in

44:40

mind the next one, do you believe in love

44:42

after love? To a man

44:44

who's been married five times, George Foreman,

44:46

who clearly believes in love after love.

44:48

Married for about two years each time,

44:50

but fifth time lucky, he's been married to his current

44:52

wife since 1985, just

44:55

waiting for the right woman, obviously. Love

44:57

that sweet girl money. I

45:01

wasn't listening last Sunday morning to R but

45:04

I looked at the playlist on BBC Sounds this morning, and so

45:07

from the playlist of his very final show on

45:09

Radio 2, he started

45:11

with Friends by Amy Stewart, so that's for

45:13

Torval and Dean. Very nice.

45:15

40th anniversary of Bolero this week. And they're hanging

45:17

the skates up. And hanging the skates up, yeah,

45:20

after one final tour, which they sold a few tickets

45:22

for, hopefully we're gonna do a meeting this week. He

45:25

also played Ain't No Stopping Us Now by McFadden

45:27

and Whitehead, and that especially for Man City, particularly with

45:29

Harland and De Bruyne in the back. Love,

45:32

surprisingly. Three Little

45:34

Birds by Bob Marley, that was on the playlist.

45:37

So Three Little Birdies for Rory McElroy's playing. How

45:39

many answers? Like, listen,

45:41

Terence, I'm enjoying them. Suggestion.

45:43

I'm enjoying them. Love songs,

45:45

plural. And the very final

45:48

record that Steve Wright, the great Steve Wright

45:50

played on Radio 2, was

45:52

Delicate by Terence Trent-Darby.

45:55

And we're dedicating that one to Tiago.

45:58

Painful, painful. All

46:00

right, finally, quick one here as

46:03

a nod to one of our

46:05

panellists. In fact, sports greatest JJ,

46:08

one name, Shauna. Jasmine

46:12

Joyce. Jasmine

46:17

Joyce, she's a Welsh rugby player. She

46:19

pretty much flies the flag for Welsh

46:21

rugby the whole time. She regularly makes

46:23

the GB7s team. She went to the

46:25

Olympics 2016, 2020. She

46:28

was the only Welsh woman of the GB team

46:30

in 2016. She also plays 15s,

46:32

went to Rugby World Cup in 2017 and 2021, but

46:35

was played in 2022. And

46:39

Jasmine Joyce, JJ. Love it. Josh.

46:42

Morning, Rick. No, no, no. Trying

46:46

to claw a couple of points

46:48

back. I've

46:51

gone for JJ Kocher. Yeah. Yeah.

46:56

You see Oscar line in 750 games,

46:58

basically big fans, foster son, isn't he?

47:00

Yeah. Ellie. And

47:02

I'm going to go for JJ Williams, part

47:04

of the legendary Welsh rugby team of the

47:06

1970s, one of the legendary Sennesely team that

47:09

beat the All Blacks famously in the

47:11

1970s as well, and the British Lions that had

47:13

them one of the best tours ever of South

47:15

Africa. And after the really sad

47:17

passing in the last few weeks of JPR Williams

47:19

and Barry John as well, I mean, they're building

47:21

a hell of a Welsh back line in heaven

47:24

at the moment. They really are. Okay. We

47:26

haven't got long here for any other business.

47:28

They got about 20 seconds each. Aaron. Pie

47:30

fillings at grounds. There's no consistency. They're either

47:32

boiling hot like a shot of napalm or

47:35

they're stone cold and raw. Forget a football

47:37

regulator. We need a pie regulator and I

47:39

know the man for the job. Josh.

47:43

Well, we all know about a post office scandal. They're not

47:46

flavoured a month far a day. In fact, my son was

47:48

watching Postman Pat the other day and I was like, get

47:50

out of here. Scumbacking.

47:54

Yeah, but I don't trust them now. I

47:56

bet when he said that was operating the... Well, he

47:58

run my machine. He said he's just a

48:00

puppet. I was like, no, he's a full grown man. He's a

48:02

paid home assistant. But

48:05

I went into the post office the other day and they

48:07

said, I went to post something, they said, do you want

48:09

it tracked? I said, what does that mean? They said, make

48:11

sure it gets to its destination. And

48:14

I thought what, the post office is getting us to pay

48:16

protection money now, are they? Don't trust them. Ellie.

48:21

And having said quite nice things

48:23

about the IOC decisions earlier, I'm going to

48:25

say something quite nice about TFL Transport

48:27

for London, because they've actually announced that

48:29

the overground lines, the London overground lines

48:31

are going to get names finally. So

48:33

you've got the Windrush line, you've

48:36

got the Suffragette line and you've got the

48:38

Lioness line. Yeah. Dedicated to the Lionesses and

48:40

it runs through Wembley as well. Yeah,

48:42

pretty good. Shauna. People asking

48:45

me to work for free and particularly to go to

48:47

a place where everybody else is being paid to be

48:49

there. And yet they say, oh, can you can you

48:51

come along and give an inspirational talk? I'm sure. You've

48:53

had a nice time, haven't you? We'll

48:55

give you lunch, have you? And the rest and

48:57

dinner and breakfast. And I get

49:00

it when when clubs and schools ask me, because

49:02

sometimes a bit cash strapped, etc. But

49:04

when this one particular huge

49:06

financial organisation emails me and

49:08

says, oh, we're having a women's network, we

49:11

do it once a month. This month, we're

49:13

concentrating on inclusion and our women. Would you

49:15

be able to come in and inspire our

49:17

network? And I go, oh, absolutely. This is

49:19

exactly what I do for a living. Watch

49:22

your budget and then the words he used.

49:25

I didn't envisage paying a fee for

49:27

Shauna's services. Wow.

49:30

I mean, I mean, for your

49:32

profile, Sean, exposure. And

49:34

I thought, surely not. And he, well, yeah,

49:36

that was that was the end of that. What

49:38

was it a company? Because I had a similar

49:41

experience with a company that rhymes with Nergin.

49:45

Was it them? No, no, it wasn't another

49:48

one. Yeah, they're all out there. They're all

49:50

out there. OK, final scores. Aaron's

49:53

friendly behind him for sorry, mate, 29. Josh

49:55

on 31. Shauna on

49:58

debut into defend the Independent. The

50:00

Both ways, Ellie, Ellie, and I'm

50:02

forty four Exemplary stuff meaning: Alien

50:04

Shona are going to defend the

50:06

indefensible, ridiculous statement you have to

50:09

answer. It doesn't matter how much

50:11

it hurts, recite all. I do

50:13

mean you elite schools the most

50:15

points So you will go fast

50:17

as you got twenty seconds on

50:20

this. If Christian Horner gets suspended,

50:22

Geri Halliwell should take over at

50:24

Red Bull. I think should be

50:26

upset. Fantastic. She could go out and

50:28

universities disagreed what with the rest of

50:30

the Spice Girls on a things you

50:32

know she's She's an inspiration for anybody

50:34

who wants to dry the com really

50:36

really fast. Other had technical knowledge with

50:38

age. Endymion the says she's gonna be

50:40

in that talking about aerodynamics and side

50:42

pounds in a lot. Really thrilling stuff

50:44

that Christie of the bottom. Them more. Yeah

50:48

are in Asia neary that let with

50:50

a southerner. Very nice addition. I see

50:52

I said I'd I will Miller one

50:54

on says and I have heard his

50:56

act as if I have finally sat

50:58

funny substance or on fish shown us

51:00

every football fans your book Our half

51:02

time in solidarity with West Tampons absolute.

51:04

Is a sad because if they don't and

51:06

how would they know what they're doing Any

51:09

good or not they will power half time

51:11

He says i'm i'm in charge you and

51:13

actually events it might bring ticket prices and

51:15

Roka a half time showed interest as isn't

51:17

how to get people to stay a bit

51:19

longer to bring to the prices down for

51:21

the Fat Cow hawthorne. So people

51:23

power and know what says so.

51:25

but it's coach. On

51:28

the side of the funds and I think

51:30

I mean I saw ordinarily give a fuck

51:33

about it but it is an hour I

51:35

could even say another man who approve west

51:37

yeah as soon as I saw in France

51:39

or hour and a half you what you

51:41

were amazed see one before she was severe

51:44

only for like one of the line or

51:46

is ah sorry congratulations allium thing or a

51:48

bus and thanks Not by run This has

51:50

been a worlds and production. For Bbc Radio

51:52

Five live and off some news it'll be five.

51:54

Love sports. About your

51:57

listening to the puck costs extra fighting

51:59

talk hairs. Question that we didn't have

52:01

time today because our and since I

52:03

took approximately fifty minutes but listen to

52:05

a little less speedskater am now after

52:07

missing a pi two hundred pounds a

52:09

time for a hack up. Micah Richards

52:11

was so impressed with cell phones trim.

52:13

he asked him this week how much

52:16

he pays phones or twenty quid has

52:18

been so same bob as since he

52:20

was eight years old but who currently

52:22

has a heck out that looks like

52:24

it might be even cheaper. Just.

52:27

Ah, I have gone for

52:29

a man former Arsenal striker. A thing

52:31

is he played for Ivory Coast eight

52:33

times is of course the worst barney

52:36

in football to have a meal. Yeah

52:38

it's that as a he's more heads

52:40

and bolland it said they yeah. Yeah.

52:43

Yeah announce remember the unconfirmed the that some that

52:46

own it will isn't the Sevilla can have any

52:48

was flag a limousine service plan for you if

52:50

you look at yeah now I know like yes

52:52

he the main thing to remember of I taught

52:54

me many things these days I remember seals wonder

52:56

and a half times in Scotland he got the

52:58

money to have a hair transplant in a solid

53:00

as the one not go into the in A

53:02

or let me see if I can find it

53:04

as if you have a look our and you

53:06

can be a flat flat lot of already got

53:08

my picture up on have gone to the Mm

53:10

I thought the potty pembroke A I'm because I

53:12

mean if. You. Look at it it's very quaff

53:14

bird yeah you look soccer ninety saw dinner

53:16

lady how about some off his the front

53:19

says i'm serious the Palaces Max Pi yeah

53:21

yeah city also thought I'd let me wouldn't

53:23

say this to his face he looks a

53:25

bit like Victoria would husband says is a

53:27

real what in a in a lie yeah

53:29

yeah yeah he has that ever existed that

53:31

yeah the a is feather setting up the

53:33

i can has a cat years ago wing

53:35

of the whole outfit of a ozick I'm

53:38

base of the shuttle recovery for by think

53:40

he's is a rise of Victoria wouldn't in

53:42

this simple not comment. Was another.

53:44

Atlanta I would like seat see the end

53:47

of of the end of the mullet is

53:49

as a lot I'm not I'm. On it

53:51

sir and ma'am and or tended to set up

53:53

a slice of ammonia when I sustained item other

53:55

heroes I tell for the from Russia I ah

53:58

yeah was it was good. Let

54:00

us because grew out of it there's that

54:02

they're really other to live not a friend

54:04

has amazing singer who's lot one almost famous

54:06

punjabi one auto shop s who's out of

54:09

palmed mullet since like nineteen eighty keys at

54:11

the same has it's wants him as a.

54:13

Big. I respect that I am anyway, just that

54:15

neither of us is my second. I will kill

54:18

Tony Iommi, which I shot S. L a skeptic

54:20

South of I'm a place. While I mean I'm

54:22

on as I say this with the the the

54:24

greatest of love and respect for the man but

54:26

Jimmy Anderson and in his essays he a you

54:28

research and the so it I mean he doesn't

54:30

like he's got that going for the sun in

54:32

again yeah but it's that serves as I jones

54:34

is comes out of the Rnc suspect that he's

54:36

just kinda got better the old and they'll claire

54:38

all and put his own and it's and he

54:40

says less is a bit see long. Or is

54:42

absolutely done himself. He has long. Has some

54:45

himself. I think it. I mean you need a

54:47

say. In. A Detainees prove anything

54:49

to this any. you are a

54:51

magnificent ola. You are an extraordinary

54:54

athletes and forty one and. Guess.

54:57

For proper hairdressers Goodness sake. The

54:59

the only thing I'd say village have done

55:01

some professionally a smack goods. And

55:04

is also a handsome man is very I think

55:06

he gets away with it or they wanted away

55:08

with. that's the saying He only my own a

55:10

variety can get away with it. The arts I'm

55:13

Shauna. My son the has voluntarily

55:15

been stolen bases. I was gonna go one

55:17

name one has style. Jonah Hill, England rugby

55:19

player. The mullet. yeah those is going to

55:21

outlaw any mullet ever up. and as most

55:23

of them are sort of, the Lockdown has

55:25

loads of the money. It's everywhere. In

55:29

Cydia is your straight off the lights the

55:31

flash and mama is really in in our

55:33

own as young Australia manner them I am

55:35

respects. His hair everywhere. yeah saw think

55:37

you can also you can pull it off if

55:39

you're bit of a man's man you know your

55:41

other guy on the i will add a more

55:44

gone above the archipelago of perfect nighter my bob's

55:46

got maka a baseball cap would let the back

55:48

of a mana talks to the boss of it

55:50

and what barack obama method for other not trust

55:53

in a barber a lot by the why i

55:55

thought i have on my part doesn't have buses

55:57

and oh now but him of a man as

56:00

The whole lot like it's a way to show you that's like

56:02

1985. Mmm They

56:06

sank my mom and dad's wedding. He looks like

56:09

Captain Hook. Really? Yeah, they sank my mom dad's

56:11

wedding. Absolute legend Yeah, but I'll show you a

56:13

more recent photo. Oh, here we go. Look at

56:15

him there. Is it? Yeah,

56:17

I see what you mean Same here.

56:19

That's not a recent photo. Is it? Fairly

56:22

as recent as 1982. Yeah Hey

56:31

He must be in a terrible state after all that.

56:33

Well, I actually asked him I interviewed him about five

56:35

years ago And I asked him like how do you

56:37

maintain the same hairline? He goes it's a funny question

56:39

because no one's ever asked me because but

56:42

I had to get the crown Transplanted so

56:44

he's had the middle section like right. He's

56:46

had he's had just a bit of enhancement

56:48

done He's had a turkey job But you'd

56:50

never know because the route like the

56:52

main sort of like main of it

56:54

the main main of it Yeah is is in

56:57

place. It's intact One

56:59

of the one of the things that sort

57:01

of was heartbreaking and inspiring in in my

57:03

life as a young man was when Agassiz

57:05

Finally let go of his hair when

57:08

he did when he shaved it all off It was like

57:10

I'm gonna stop pretending that I've got hair And

57:12

I think maybe your man could could have a go at that.

57:15

He's getting on a bit now So I just sleeve

57:17

him to it really Yeah Also

57:24

think you've got to go slightly easy on people who have mullets at

57:26

the end of lockdown I just think people are like I don't know

57:28

what I'm doing it I

57:34

made a huge mistake actually of having a

57:36

passport photo taken or take my own passport

57:38

photo even worse because

57:40

I'm you know, I needed to renew my passport in

57:43

beginning of 2021 and Hadn't

57:45

had a haircut proper haircut for ages and I

57:48

think I'm now gonna live for 10 years With

57:51

the memory of a very bad haircut

57:53

where I'd taken trimming my own fringe

57:56

and it's it's not a good picture It's really I

57:58

mean you get that change So you have to pay

58:01

75 quid. Well just drawn it. Yeah

58:03

75 quid for fantasy. Yeah, fair

58:05

for. Sounds like a value to me actually. Ten

58:08

years worth. Just stop to it with a biro

58:10

Ellie, you'll be fine. But you

58:12

know what's really annoying is when you get

58:14

a haircut and your face

58:17

ID doesn't work. That happened

58:19

to me the other day. That means you're leaving it too

58:21

long between haircuts. No, I don't.

58:23

I get my haircut every 10 to 14 days. But

58:26

the top grows really long and I've started cutting the

58:28

top. He cuts it shorter. But

58:30

the face ID was like sorry don't recognise you. I'm

58:32

like oh cheers pal. I mean

58:35

I'm saying that you're quite recognisable to be honest. Thank

58:37

you. Yeah, in a good

58:39

way. Right that's it. I'm going to go

58:41

and welcome back to my passport folks if

58:43

I get it. Is that what we're all doing? My

58:49

name's Joe Wilkinson and I'm doing a podcast because

58:51

I love football. But what I love more is

58:53

the idea of being friends with a professional footballer.

58:56

The footballer I'd like to be friends with is Patrick Bamford.

58:58

Hello Patrick, will you be my friend? That's

59:02

yet to be decided. OK, not what I was

59:04

hoping. My mates of football are

59:06

in the BBC Sounds podcast with me Patrick

59:08

Bamford and Joe Wilkinson. If you weren't married

59:10

who was your ideal date being? Oh,

59:12

Julie Roberts. That was quick. If

59:15

I was you I'd have popped a pause in. Search

59:18

for My Mate's Football on BBC Sounds.