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It ain't that I'm too big to listen to the rumours, it's just

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that I'm too damn big to pay attention to them. I'm Rick

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Edwards and this is Fighting Talk.

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Hello, good morning.

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Ahead of a much-discussed,

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unsanctioned excuse for a boxing match tonight, which

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I am looking forward to, by the way, welcome to this

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not-much-discussed, unsanctioned excuse for a panel show, which

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I am also looking forward to, but just with a couple

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more caveats. So, who is ravenous

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for points and my approval this week, making

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his 10th appearance as a panellist, 11th

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overall on Fighting Talk. He won the

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second show of the season, despite scoring

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only 29 points. That's the lowest total

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for a winner in over five years. He's the

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sixth best

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all time at reaching defending and defensible, 77.8%,

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and winning shows, 44.4%. England

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rugby legend turned all sorts of things,

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Martin Bayfield.

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Now, Martin, lovely to have you back. Yeah,

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thanks for making me sound successful

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and overwhelmingly disappointing in the same sentence.

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Yeah, well, that's what I aim to do. Well, you did it very well.

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Of course, I had you caged

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last time for safety. I've let you out of the cage this

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time. Yeah, thank you. But any

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indiscretions, any threats, any sudden movements,

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you will be back in that cage. So

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consider yourself warned. I

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was on that chair. It's a ridiculously

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comfortable chair. Stop coveting my chair, baby. Sorry. You're

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going to lose a point. On for

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show number 16 of a glittering Fighting

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Talk career. In April, she scored her first victory

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since 2021. But she's still one

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behind Paul McNamee, who has the most wins

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by a Northern Irish competitor.

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Holly Hamilton. Oh, hello. I

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didn't realise I was up against Paul. Does

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this mean that I'm in a cage? You

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are weirdly in the cage and I don't

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even find you that threatening. But it's important to

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put someone in a cage on this show. Well that's good, that's

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good when we're involved. Just happy to be involved at this

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point. Do you feel the pressure of a nation

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on your shoulders?

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I do now, particularly given

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the rugby result. I feel like I'm

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all that's left really at this point. You really are. There's

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a lot of riding on this for you Holly. No pressure. Lovely

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to have you. Now on for the 15th time. Like

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Martin, he's 100% successful so far this

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season, having won the curtain raiser on the

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2nd of September. That was his first fighting

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talk win since 2020. Also

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the first time he top scored on a show.

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So we'll be hoping to continue to prosper under the new

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regime. What is becoming clear is

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that Colin couldn't stand the guy. If

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you want to feel good about yourself. Do

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not look at this man's Instagram.

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David Alorca. David,

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your Instagram is genuinely dispiriting.

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You have such a fabulous life and it really upsets me. Relax

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at home in your pyjamas and just watch a bit of Data

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on Telly. You know what, I'm going to start posting more of that.

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It's more of my day to day. That's

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literally what I do on a day to day basis.

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You're not making me feel any better about my day. Oh

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look, I'm not at a Grand Prix again.

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The

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veteran of the panel, 35th appearance. He'll

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be looking to record a victory under a 5th different host. And also to

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score 4 straight victories for

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the first time. Expect

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Swindon-centric answers and possibly a little

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tiff with at least one panellist. Ivo Graham. Hello

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Rick. Follow Wi-Fi. Am I a tiff merchant?

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You? Well this is what I hear. Wow,

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that's very exciting. That's a reputation. People must have said

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that to you before. No, I

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don't think I've ever heard veteran or expect

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tiffs. But you know, I've worked very hard for this reputation and I'll enjoy

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it. How does my Instagram make you feel Rick?

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I don't follow you, I don't think. Lovely

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stuff. There's a tiff. Yeah,

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you once failed to respond to a

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mess.

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This is the icing for many months.

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So I'm afraid you do lose one early

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point. Let's get

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on with it then.

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Ahead of their Rugby World Cup final meeting

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in New Zealand, former springbot Bobby Skinstad

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said of the all blacks, it irritates us that

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they've got back to back World Cups.

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What is irritating you right

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now, David? To be honest with you,

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it's got to be Tyson Fury's antics. Obviously

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he's got a fight tonight, which is overwhelmingly

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going to win. There is no odds in

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Francis Nganu's favour. He

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retired like 18 months ago, was never stripped

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of his WBC title for some god knows

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reason. And he's just, he unretired

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like he's part of a soap opera. Well,

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we found out he was part of the soap opera. Obviously

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he's show on Netflix. And he

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spent a lot of time refusing to unify the vision,

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refusing to fight Oleg Gondu Isik, which is a fight

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that everybody's been waiting for for the last 20 years

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or so. It's just

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Tyson Fury. OK, I mean, you're still

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looking forward to the fight, though, aren't you? Or watch it. Yeah,

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I'm already. Yeah, yeah. He's not

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watching it. He's not not watching it. Martin, what's irritating

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you? Well, I'm not entirely sure why this irritates me. I realise

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it's because I'm

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hurtling headlong into the dimming

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light of middle age. And so obviously now I start

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making weird noises when I'm in town. Sorry, hurtling headlong?

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I mean, you're in it, mate. No, I'm in it. OK, all

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right, I'm in it. I'm in it. I

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am in it. OK. There you

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go. See, I even forget where I am. I make

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odd noises when I sit down. I realise that on a cold winter's

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day, tucking your shirt into your pants is a joyous

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experience. So therefore I have clearly

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taken up golf. And for some bizarre

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reason, I find long drive golfers

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incredibly irritating. I don't

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know what it is all about.

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You've got Randy Make the Ground Shake Hoyle Lake

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or whatever names they may have. Pounding

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some golf ball 15 miles down. It's like an

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F1 driver saying,

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I'm going to hurtle down the starting straight

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and then break when it comes to corners. Sorry, I don't do corners. I

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don't do corners. Mega

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drivers, whispering sweet nothings to them.

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They're just odd people and I don't know why they irritate me

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so much. Mega drivers is

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excellent. You've got long levers, you must be able

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to whack it down there. Well yeah I know but I don't

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drive as though I'm an American trucker while

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I'm doing this. It just looks weird.

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It's very odd people. Maybe you will when you reach an inlet. I

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don't know why they irritate me but they do. Okay Holly

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what's irritating you?

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Honestly right now David O'Lorca's Instagram

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page has

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been a lot of fun. Alright go! You

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see he's got Prince Harry as his last pose.

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He's gone. Don't follow the guy. You've got

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to. Right not following that.

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In reality though do you know what's been

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annoying me? Needy football fans,

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we're all a wee bit needy but this week it's been flagged

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up. It's the ones that are looking for the autographs.

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Imagine going

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to a match and expecting

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the players to take a selfie with you

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or just to give you their autograph like the reality

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TV stars. They don't play 90 minutes

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of football just so they can get a selfie with you for the gram

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and this week England goalkeeper Mary Earp

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has had to come out and say she's felt it's become

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so difficult. The fact that she even

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has to think about this. That fans have been

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criticising her and other players for not

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signing an autograph. And let's be honest

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women players are better at doing that full

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stop. I mean they go out, they meet the fans and all

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the rest but we don't see really that often Jack

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Grealish going out you know within the stadium or

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most of the time. Disney Jack Grealish going out.

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We definitely see that. But you know what

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I mean? And there's no expectation of it. No one

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demands them to do it. You know

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just take your awkward selfie in front of the stadium

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like the rest of us and be done with it.

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Yeah with you on that Holly. Ivo what's irritating

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you? Well speaking of needy people

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some people somehow really want to have it all. What's

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that Rick Edwards? You want to come to my show at the

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fringe 2022 and you want me to reply

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to your message about it within the week. That's right. For

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goodness sake 24th of August you messaged me

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I reply on the 7th of September. That

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is not a matter of delay. Too long,

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too long, too long. Thank you again for coming

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to my show. But on the subject of trying to have

7:55

it all I would normally save my feelings

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about open relationships and polyamory for the

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end. AOB but let's get straight into

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it now. You'll see a lot of long

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reads about how people are changing the game

8:06

relationship wise And how they don't feel any

8:08

jealousy despite the fact that they and their partner have multiple

8:11

people in their romantic lives That is a lie

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and similarly you cannot have two

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goalkeepers competing for the same spot I'm

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fed up of this of this two goalkeeper

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Rhea Ramsdale discourse. I

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like Arsenal. I like Arteza I like

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both the keepers in question You've

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got Something has to be

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constant in life when I played fantasy football, which

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I've stopped doing for the good of my mental health There's a lot

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of chat there back to you to have two mid pricekeepers

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No You have one top tier goalkeeper

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and you stick to them and the other one is a budget Saving

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and that's what has to happen. You have one keeper until they

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get too good or too bad You don't toggle

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between them and I'm delighted that it's not working Now

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I vote if you were to have a romantic entanglement

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with either David Rhea or Aaron

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Ramsdale Who would you go for? Oh, I

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need a partner who's good with his feet

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It's

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Ramsdale, it's always Ramsdale Question

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number two then comes from you the

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listeners this week's question to listener is

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on the line. I hope hello teal

9:16

and Glenn Hello, Rick. Can

9:19

you be yes, I absolutely can hear you. How

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are you? What are you doing? What's the weekend

9:23

hold?

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So I've got a full weekend of

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work in a pub in Lincolnshire this

9:29

weekend Properly looking forward to it all

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the sport will be live here as well and you

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work in how many pops

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Two different pubs once a week in a pub

9:37

in Lincoln the which in wardrobe into the one at

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the Malin Waddlespar That's the rest of the week and that

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is why This

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is your song as it does work Feeling

9:47

what's your question? so

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following England's heartbreaking

9:51

loss to South Africa last

9:52

weekend I know rugby world

9:55

cup when small have you

9:57

been disappointed or upset by the

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result of a

9:59

foregone conclusion. Yeah, it's

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a good one. Holly, disappointed

10:04

at a foregone conclusion.

10:05

Do you know, we know five times

10:07

in the past six years that Manchester City

10:09

have won the Premier League title. Five

10:12

times, so when Liverpool in the middle of all that won

10:14

in 2020, there was a wee bit of hope. There

10:16

was a little bit of hope that the end, that run of domination,

10:19

obviously it didn't last. By the time

10:21

we got to last season, I mean,

10:25

even when Arsenal were flying high

10:27

at the top, it was still a foregone

10:30

conclusion. I mean, we all knew it. The Arsenal

10:32

fans knew it. Liverpool fans knew it.

10:34

Manchester United fans

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definitely knew it. We knew

10:38

somehow Manchester City would

10:40

be back on top and they'd take

10:42

the title and you know what? It

10:45

still hurt. I knew it was coming and it still hurt and we're

10:47

hurtling towards the same result this season

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too. Yeah,

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a bit of a downer there actually. Yeah, sorry, you're losing then now. I feel

10:52

kind of sad about it Holly. No, it didn't have a

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toll.

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Well, I mean, obviously uncharted

10:58

territory for Holly talking about the Rugby World Cup semi-final

11:01

there as far as Ireland is concerned. But I don't want

11:03

to listen to that menace. Menace

11:05

in the void. It's too

11:08

soon. It is too soon, Martin.

11:10

The bars at the cage rattling. I'm going

11:12

to ask words from the soon to be middle aged man.

11:17

25th of February 1989, a

11:20

fight that should have taken place in England, took

11:22

place in America. Frank Bruno against

11:24

Mike Tyson, we knew what the

11:26

result was going to be. We love

11:28

Frank Bruno. He was and

11:31

is one of our great heroes. In the second round, he

11:33

rocked Tyson. I thought this is the moment.

11:36

This is the moment we knew it wasn't going

11:38

to work. We knew Big Frank wasn't going to win. But

11:41

for one, one moment we thought it might just

11:44

happen and it was agonising, heartbreaking

11:46

to see him lose. Heartbreaking moment for 10 year

11:48

old me and presumably 30 year old you. I

11:52

think I just gave a point to myself. That was me. Well

11:54

done. Why not? Absolutely.

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Sometimes you've got to. Self reward in the future was an odd thing. David,

12:00

oh man the date is the 27th of June 2010.

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Oh my goodness. We are at the

12:07

World Cup, that's right, in South

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Africa. It's England versus Germany in

12:11

an international tournament. We know how

12:13

this goes.

12:15

It's already a foregone conclusion. We know

12:17

the setup already. However, the belief

12:19

starts to mount as the game gets underway.

12:22

We are two, one down. 52nd

12:26

minute, Lampard rocks

12:28

the crossbar. The ball crosses

12:30

the line. We all seen it and

12:32

there is hope once again for about four

12:34

seconds before the referee waves

12:37

it off and we end up losing the game by 4-1. Now,

12:41

obviously before the game we knew that we don't beat Germany

12:44

in international competitions but the belief was

12:47

there only to be snatched

12:49

away for the lack of

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VAR. Yeah, the thing is with VAR

12:53

nowadays

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of course there are no mistakes so that

12:56

just could not happen. Give yourself another

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point. Yeah, good point. Thank you. Bye,

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Vos. I was in the hopes there. Swindon

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Centric was what you were told to expect

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and here's, I think my only one for this one but it's

13:08

a big one and I've talked about it before and I'll never stop talking

13:10

about it because it was our last shot perhaps ever

13:13

at the second tier, the League One playoff

13:15

final Swindon

13:17

had made it to the playoff final against Preston

13:19

but we'd spent most of the last few weeks of that season

13:22

getting absolutely tonked by anyone else

13:24

around the promotion race including

13:26

being beaten by Preston themselves a few weeks beforehand.

13:28

The semi-final, the legendary, I don't need

13:30

to tell any of you about the five-all with Sheffield United

13:33

that showed our defensive weaknesses. That you'd dare patronise

13:35

me. It was torn apart by

13:38

Jermaine Beckford and the Preston attack. A

13:40

conclusion so foregone that Swindon's

13:42

left back Harry Tofflo that day would have been well

13:44

within his rights to put a few bob on it before the game. It

13:48

was a very, very sad day and it was 3-0

13:50

within 15 minutes and people were leaving at

13:52

half time. Sad stuff.

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Okay, Teelan, who

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are you giving the points to?

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Well, I like the idea of the... the

14:00

winners never really changing. It's

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always city unless it isn't but

14:04

it's only happened once in the last six years. I'm really

14:06

happy that Ivo could give his standard Swindon answer

14:09

to my question. Thank

14:11

you for giving him the opportunity. No

14:14

problem. The boxing match

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is before my time. I was barely a twinkle

14:18

as they say in 1989. You feel good. Sorry

14:21

about it. I'm going to have to

14:24

give it to David because at that

14:26

heartbreaking loss in 2010 is something

14:29

that sticks in my memory. Well

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I hope we have entirely ruined your weekend

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Tim. Nice speaking to you. No problem at all.

14:37

Thanks very much. Just get down to the

14:39

pub and do whatever you do. Thanks

14:42

very much. Question number three.

14:45

Just hit the bell for no particular reason. Former

14:47

Arsenal and Swedish international Kim Karstram

14:50

not impressed by Manchester United Alejandro.

14:53

Alejandro? What are we thinking Alejandro? Alejandro.

14:55

Alejandro. Thank you. Gonaccio scuffing

14:58

up the penalty spot before FC Copenhagen's

15:00

late spot kick miss. Well it wasn't

15:03

really a miss was it. He said it was baby

15:05

level so childish but who

15:07

is the market leader in childish

15:10

behaviour I vote. Well

15:12

I am. Oh I am.

15:20

Nearly a decade

15:22

in and the fighting talks that have found death

15:24

just don't surprise you. You're horrible.

15:26

Amazing. This

15:29

is a behaviour that in many ways I

15:31

thought was great but it was described as

15:34

childish by former Real Madrid president Ramon

15:36

Calderon when Gareth Bale after scoring

15:38

for Wales posed with a fan's flag

15:40

saying that Wales got Madrid in that order

15:43

and you know he was

15:45

still an employee of Real Madrid and

15:47

he was he was castigated for and it was described

15:50

as childish. You've

15:52

got to you can't pose with the flags.

15:54

You've got to enjoy the memes in private and occasionally

15:56

like a tweet but you can't pose the flags

15:59

while you're still on the payroll. There's

16:01

one rule you can't pose with the flag,

16:03

David. With me, I'm going to go

16:06

with another Manchester United

16:09

moment, but mine indeed is Martin

16:12

Keown after that rude van destroy

16:14

penalty miss. I genuinely think that

16:17

is the most childish behaviour.

16:19

You've got to love it though. That's the thing about

16:22

it, I'm a Manchester United fan. At the time it was

16:24

very, very painful, but at the same time, I do

16:26

the same. Like last kick of the game, miss

16:30

the penalty. Listen, I'd celebrate the exact

16:32

same way and that picture will go down in infamy for forever,

16:35

forever. And that'd be straight on your Instagram.

16:37

Martin. The

16:40

disappointing Instagram.

16:41

Well, anything involving Sergio Garcia,

16:44

clearly, anything he does is absolutely slightly childish.

16:47

But just to prove that I do kind of live

16:49

in the real world and can

16:51

identify things that have happened fairly recently, Emilia

16:54

Martinez at the World Cup

16:55

presented... ..with

16:58

the Golden Cover World. And then decides

17:00

to, I know, engage, I know, premarital

17:03

sex with him in front of the

17:05

whole world watching. The

17:07

king is on the stage. The marital. There

17:10

is... Marry the trophy. He didn't

17:12

even... They hadn't even met. Adultery!

17:15

They hadn't even met. They hadn't even met. The

17:17

trophy. It was astonishing to

17:19

say, we'd already had the final polluted

17:21

by Salt Bay wandering around trying

17:23

to... Oh, horrible. Frantically

17:25

safe, it was half. A macron on

17:28

the pitch, just consoling his players

17:30

and they wanted to tell him to alley

17:32

off. But, yeah, that just... It

17:35

was ridiculous, disgusting and horrible and childish

17:37

and I didn't like it. Well, hang on,

17:40

hang on. Have you seen Happy Gilmore?

17:42

Yes. Cos I assumed it was sort of a reference

17:44

to that. Cos that's all Gilmore does, is ride around

17:46

on a club. Yeah, but that's Happy Gilmore. Do you know Happy

17:48

Gilmore isn't real? What, excuse

17:51

me? Sorry! How dare you? Holly.

17:54

Yeah,

17:55

this is the middle age coming out and you know,

17:56

Martin. I quite enjoyed it, I'll be honest with you.

17:58

I was here for the whole thing.

17:59

Look, all this is small fright

18:02

in comparison to the one and only football's

18:04

most petulant child talking

18:06

about Cristiano Ronaldo of course. You

18:08

know, historically more... What

18:09

United answers there? I know, I'm realising that.

18:11

In fact, there's more Man City

18:13

to be used to come as well I think. But look, you

18:15

know what you're getting with Cristiano Ronaldo. If

18:18

you sub him, if you bench him, he's going to have

18:20

a strop. He's going to have a tantrum. Oh, look at that.

18:22

That's

18:22

really historic.

18:24

He had then the ultimate huff in

18:27

sporting history when he left Manchester

18:29

United. A few,

18:31

well, seismic strop on the

18:33

pitch then he stopped speaking to the club. You

18:36

know, he threw his toys out of his Bentley. He

18:38

claimed that nobody loved him. Then

18:40

he went to his teacher, Mr Morgan, to tell

18:42

on them all. And now he's gone off to

18:44

his room in Saudi Arabia and he won't come

18:45

out. The

18:48

problem with the baby sound effect is as

18:50

a new father I find it incredibly triggering. Where's

18:52

the monitor? I can't escape.

18:55

Where did I leave it? Question number four then. Titan

18:57

Fury fights in Saudi Arabia tonight as we know.

19:00

He said this week, I'm fat now. I was

19:02

fat as a baby. I'll be fat on my deathbed. Huey's fat. Shane's

19:05

fat. My mum and I are fat. We're

19:07

a fat family. But who is sports greatest ever?

19:11

Triple XL. Now, in my view, there are two

19:13

correct answers here. If

19:17

anyone gives one of those answers, you will

19:19

immediately get a bonus point. So just go and get

19:21

a bonus point.

19:22

If anyone gives one of those answers, you

19:24

will immediately get a bonus point. So just bear that in

19:26

mind. David. I'm

19:28

going for a gentleman called Salofa Fatu

19:31

Jr.

19:32

Also known as Rikishi. That's

19:34

right. We're going back to WWE, WWF. We're

19:36

talking about a man who's barely over

19:39

six foot but weighs in at around 200

19:41

kg, 425

19:43

pounds.

19:47

Yeah, that's what I'm going for. Big old boy. Big

19:49

old boy. Technically a sport. Martin

19:51

Bayfield. You can go for yourself. Hey,

19:55

you can't fire a cannon from a canoe. That is what

19:58

I have been told. Anyway. I

20:04

should have stayed in my head already shouldn't it? Yeah,

20:06

I'll tell you what, make room in the cage, he's coming

20:08

in Holly. No, I've locked the door.

20:11

Look, it's the inside, you don't hear that often.

20:13

I'm going to embrace my middle age, I realise

20:15

I have to do this, and take you back to the world of sport,

20:18

Dickie Davis and wrestling,

20:20

Shirley Crabtree, Martin Austin Ruan,

20:23

otherwise known as Big Daddy Giant

20:25

Haystacks. They were the

20:28

top entertainment on a Saturday. You

20:30

had the Blue Ridge Brigade with their handbags fighting

20:32

each other in the stalls as they watched Big

20:35

Daddy and Giant Haystacks and the whole tribe of

20:37

vastly overweight people convincing

20:39

you that it was okay to wear lycra and

20:41

run around in a wrestling ring. That's who I'm going for.

20:44

Yeah, great answer. No one's got the right answers yet,

20:47

Ivo.

20:48

What's your eighth wonder of the world? Is it Niagara

20:50

Falls? Is it Matru Picchu? We're staying in

20:52

the world of wrestling and we're going with Andre the Giant.

20:55

Oh, I love it. Also I look

20:57

a bit like him. What?

21:00

Well, you know what I mean? No, it's true in photos I do. And

21:02

it's not flattering to me, I've got to say.

21:06

Well, I was going to say that myself, but you can't fire a cannon

21:08

from a canoe. I don't know what that means. I can't wait

21:10

to have all those photos. I'm

21:12

just going to keep saying that until the context is right. That's

21:15

my rule for most things. It's

21:17

a tricky edit job now, but there we go. Listen,

21:23

we're here for a tricky edit job. It's Friday. Is

21:25

that helpful? No, of course not. No,

21:27

no, no, no. It's Saturday. It's

21:32

Saturday. Andre

21:35

the Giant once consumed 41 litres of beer in one sitting and he

21:37

was driven to school by Samuel Beckett. Need I

21:39

say more? There's

21:42

a hot chip song about it. That

21:44

doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Holly. Oh,

21:47

how on earth do I follow

21:48

that? There's definitely a theme here. If you want to be an XXXL sports

21:50

person, you have to have a good nickname. So

21:53

I am talking about a Fighting Talk favourite,

21:55

The Fridge. NFL, Chicago Legends.

21:59

William Perry a remarkable career

22:02

he obviously won typical 20 and 86

22:05

and he's one

22:07

of those few ones that transitions a bit over

22:09

here you know we don't talk about NFL players that often

22:11

particularly back in the 80s and he was one that crossed

22:14

over and he was a phenomenon

22:16

there were entire newspaper spreads about him and

22:18

he proved that he was much more than just

22:20

a novelty act. Okay no one

22:22

got the right answers the right answers were Bill

22:24

Werbeneck obviously and

22:27

Mitoizumi Masayuki the salt shaker.

22:30

No one watched Sumo in the 90s? Did

22:32

no one watch Sumo in the 90s? I was

22:35

spending too much time watching Takeshi's Castle. Yeah

22:37

okay fine. There's a little bit of discipline

22:39

for me. Scores, oh

22:42

it's extremely tight. Ivo, David and Martyn

22:44

all have 20. Holly out in the lead but

22:46

only by one. 21. Let's

22:50

get through this quite quickly now

22:52

question number five before we go to a break. Courtney

22:55

Lawes and Dan Cox have both played their final

22:58

games for England and according to the Guardian are both

23:00

nailed on for the Good Blokes 15.

23:03

So that's two. I'm gonna add these five

23:06

not going to explain or justify any of them. Usain

23:08

Bolt, Onjuba, Sadio Mane, Kelly

23:10

Holmes and Ken Docherty. That

23:12

leaves you all with two each. Who is in Martyn?

23:16

Well joining Courtney Lawes and Dan Cole I

23:18

believe his name is but I'm sure one of his names

23:20

is Cox.

23:22

Jason

23:24

Leonard, The Fun Bus. It's not getting easier in

23:26

the edit, is it? I

23:31

didn't want to say anything because I thought I was going to read

23:33

the edit. I know, sorry. Too

23:36

many ageist gags I decided. I

23:38

blew my top, I'd had enough, I cracked. Jason

23:40

Leonard, The Fun Bus. I would have him in there but because

23:42

of the name The Fun Bus he's a lot of fun, he's great fun. And

23:45

this is a guy who when we were all being torn off a strip by

23:47

Jack Ral, the England manager, before the 1995 World

23:49

Cup, for breaking a curfew and

23:52

he

23:52

said that people were coming in at three in the morning. Jason

23:54

Leonard turned to me and said don't look at me, I came in at five o'clock.

23:56

So for that reason, and I would also

23:58

throw into the mix Peter Crouch.

24:00

Only made him once, wonderful guy, at least

24:02

someone I can speak to eye to eye. So definitely a few to

24:04

crouch in there as well. Yeah, two points for

24:06

Got2Go, innit? David? First of all,

24:08

I'm going to induct the late great Kobe

24:10

Bryant. Absolute legend of a human

24:13

being. And on top of that, obviously

24:15

an all-star athlete managed to spend some

24:17

good time with him when he was over here in the UK. Top,

24:19

top bloke. And then, I will also...

24:22

It's not really a brag, I'm just giving you the reason as to why, you know what

24:24

I mean? It's not just because he's a great baller, it's because

24:27

he's a great human. Alright, and then, secondly...

24:30

Mr. Anthony Joshua. I know

24:32

a lot of people criticise AJ, but genuinely,

24:34

he's actually a top, top bloke. I've

24:36

been on a few nights out with him, he's actually a very... Ohhh!

24:40

What's my name, listen! No, no. I'm

24:42

not even doing that, listen, I'm not even doing that. But you are doing that.

24:45

I'm not doing that, I'm just telling you the reasons

24:47

as to why. Like, that's all I'm doing,

24:49

I'm just trying to validate the reasons,

24:52

alright? He's a great, great individual in

24:54

real life,

24:55

so...

24:56

That's the reason why these two are going. Have you been in this darkness

24:58

room? Do you know what I haven't? I saw

25:00

him straight after he's darkness room, he's out in... Another

25:02

point. Oh my days. His eyes!

25:05

It's terrible! Stop digging! I'm

25:07

so sorry! Sat here feeling insecure because I haven't been on

25:09

a big night out with Billy Jean King. Yeah, alright, yet!

25:12

Yet, of course! Hope springs

25:14

eternal! You can't fire a

25:16

cannon from a canoe. It's

25:19

Saturday, he's called Dan Cole. Billy

25:24

Jean King, activist, ally,

25:27

legend and video proverb,

25:29

the man who could take on an entire civil war in his own

25:31

country. Yeah, and Holly?

25:33

I'm going with Ellie Simmons, who I've had the pleasure

25:36

of having a night out with.

25:37

We were like scuba diving

25:39

one time together. Come on! No,

25:42

I didn't. Ellie Simmons is just a class

25:43

individual. I think she's brilliant, I'm going

25:46

to leave it at that. And Rory Best, because

25:48

he is also flipping signed, he's a great guy,

25:50

a great farmer too, incidentally. And

25:53

also,

25:53

big

25:56

points in my part of the world, let me tell you, and

25:58

he recently walked one

25:59

of Ireland to the other for a children's cancer

26:02

charity and he is a phenomenon.

26:03

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26:54

Hello, welcome back to Fighting Talk. Welcome back

26:56

to our panel, Martin Bayfield, Holly Hamilton,

26:58

David Alorca and Ivo Graham

27:01

on this day in Fighting Talk History

27:03

for Fighting Talk History fans. The

27:05

fourth appearance of Ebony Rainford-Brent, who

27:07

finished joint third alongside Ivo

27:09

Graham. Steve Butts celebrated his 99th

27:12

appearance with a win, defeating Eddie Caddy in Defend

27:14

the Indefensible. I've followed Eddie out strictly

27:17

and now reminded her of this humbling at the

27:19

hands of Butts. Game

27:24

changer time. Five

27:26

points for one of you, none for the rest.

27:28

I will award the bonus points to whoever I agree

27:31

with or like the best or who I

27:33

think would reply to my messages. So

27:36

it's public service time. The clocks go back

27:39

one hour tonight, but if you could turn back

27:41

a sporting clock 60 minutes, where

27:44

would it be Ivo?

27:47

I'd probably go back to the final

27:49

of the World Cup this year, England

27:52

versus Spain. Obviously, it'd be lovely

27:54

to go back and say to, for example, Prince William,

27:57

you should probably be at this match, but you need

27:59

more than an hour. to be fair, so

28:01

instead go to chapter Luis Rubiales,

28:04

the Spanish president,

28:06

and say you are going to not overshadow

28:08

but you are going to taint this match and this

28:10

tournament irrevocably.

28:12

Come on!

28:14

I think the problem there is I

28:16

was enjoying the answer so much I was awarding points

28:18

and I'm not supposed to award points, right,

28:20

so I'm just going to sit on my hands for the rest

28:23

of this. That won't do it. Thank

28:25

you. What an intriguing change. David, we've got some

28:28

work to do here. Yeah, David.

28:31

Well me, I'm not going to change anything. What I'll do is I'll go

28:33

back to late in May in 1999, one

28:36

of the greatest moments of sport in my entire

28:39

life. We're talking about the Champions League final, 1999

28:41

when Manchester United made that epic

28:44

comeback. It epitomises the roller coaster

28:46

nature of sport and something that really

28:49

got me engrossed in sport as

28:51

a whole. So yes, hold on, you're turning the clock

28:53

back to a point where United were losing. Yes,

28:55

so I can relive the win. I'm

28:57

sure that wasn't the point of the question. Well, can't

29:01

be the point of it. I want

29:03

to turn back the clock and then it just to play out

29:05

exactly the same again. So in a way I've

29:07

wasted this extraordinary power I've been given. It

29:10

was so good. I want to see it again. Fine,

29:16

I think it's unlikely you're going to get the five points. Spoiler,

29:20

Holly.

29:20

Oh, dear me, I would go back and

29:23

I would definitely change things to a time before

29:25

football lost all its dignity. 60

29:28

minutes before half time of Tottenham Liverpool

29:30

a few weeks ago, to change the

29:32

moment that Diaz's goal was wrongly disalloyed

29:35

just because VAR didn't hear

29:37

properly. I

29:39

personally think the audio from that exchange is

29:42

singly one of the most painful

29:44

moments of football history. So

29:46

yes, I would go 60 minutes back, I

29:49

don't know, let a dog on the pitch even. I think

29:51

that would do it just as they were checking VR.

29:53

Just give them enough time to make their mistake

29:56

and realise that they'd made the mistake before

29:58

the match restarted again.

29:59

Nothing we can do.

29:59

Well, nothing we can do. Martin.

30:03

I would go back to the open, 1999 Carnoustie,

30:05

Jean van der Velde. We

30:07

agonise when we see someone floundering, much as David

30:10

was just a few moments ago. He

30:13

took a five-shot lead into the final

30:15

round. He could have become the first Frenchman to win

30:17

a major. By the time he stood on the final TV

30:19

18th, he had had that whittle

30:21

down to three, still a healthy lead

30:24

playing the final hole. His first shot goes

30:26

wide right, avoids the burn, lands

30:28

in the rough. Doesn't lay

30:29

up, goes for the glory shot, ricochets

30:32

off the stand, into the water. We then had

30:34

the image of him in his

30:36

bare feet trying to play a shot out of

30:38

the burn.

30:39

Peter Allis was commentating. The

30:42

pain in his voice. He was imploring this

30:44

man, don't do it. Somehow

30:46

a triple bogey got him level. He'd only lost him in

30:49

the play-off. Paul Laurie coming out victorious. But

30:51

you were watching that, feeling the pain, thinking,

30:53

don't do it. I would love to go back. And

30:56

then I know a bit of frongley, just to explain to him,

30:58

just take the drop. You will win the

31:00

Open, because as much as he tries to convince him, it must

31:03

haunt him. Much better if you'd said, I'd

31:05

just like to see it all again. But exactly

31:07

the same. The

31:10

hands are coming out from beneath the bottom,

31:12

and I'm going to give the points to...

31:15

Do you know what? I'm going to give them to Martin.

31:18

Five points on this one.

31:20

Very, very painful stuff. Can

31:24

I just say, I love Back to the Future 2, where Biff just

31:26

goes back in time and watches the Four Seasons. It's

31:29

so lovely. Just

31:31

checking off in the Almanac, don't you? Yep,

31:34

yep. All

31:38

right, on to the next question. There is a

31:40

star term by Victoria Beckham in the

31:42

David Beckham documentary on Netflix. America

31:45

is in a frenzy still about Taylor

31:47

Swift's support for Travis Kelsey, the Kansas City

31:50

Chiefs. But who are

31:52

Posh and Swift vying with to

31:54

be sports' greatest other half?

31:57

David,

31:58

Steffi Graffin on the

31:59

Hungry Agassiz. Yes, listen,

32:02

whichever way you put it, this

32:05

is basically the king and queen of sport.

32:07

We're talking about a combined 30 grand

32:09

slam title, 22 for Graf, 8 for

32:12

Agassiz, 2 gold medals amongst

32:14

so many other accolades

32:17

and accomplishments. These

32:19

two are not only king and queen of tennis

32:21

court, they're king and queen of sports in general. Like

32:23

they're

32:24

unbelievable, untouched at the top of the crown.

32:26

There's no one better. Also, I just love the fact that

32:28

Agassiz hates tennis. I

32:31

vote. Well, I can't

32:33

believe that no one else is taking Wagatha Christie for

32:35

this because obviously you want to say Colleen Rooney,

32:37

sort of, you know,

32:40

sportsman's partner story of all time. But actually I'm going

32:42

to say Wayne Rooney because this thing has come out recently that

32:44

he apparently got so obsessed with the trial, he wanted

32:46

to become a lawyer until Colleen had to shut him down.

32:48

The sport's legal dream, Wayne Rooney. Can

32:51

I give a shout out to a best friend in sport as well

32:54

very quickly and say Kevin Sinfield

32:56

running all those marathons for and with Rob

32:58

Burrow as well, I think is an incredible

33:01

thing. It's a shame that we never

33:03

got to see Rooney in one of the wigs. Yes.

33:06

He would have looked so very fetching. Holly.

33:08

Hard to beat Colleen Rooney and Wayne Rooney, but

33:11

I'm going to go with Jodhah Madhu

33:13

and Marilyn Monroe.

33:14

What a big answer. I

33:17

don't even think you need to say any more about that. I'm saying

33:19

no more.

33:20

Martin. I'm going to go for a partnership that

33:23

changed the sport, changed it on

33:25

a global scale. Earl Woods

33:27

Tiger Woods

33:28

has ever been a partnership that did

33:30

more for a sport. All the players,

33:33

Patrick Canley saying I want a bit more money, you're

33:35

only going to possibly get more money because of what

33:37

Tiger Woods did. So Earl Woods Tiger Woods, that's

33:39

my power couple. Some

33:41

very, very solid couples there. BBC

33:44

Sports visited Newcastle

33:46

this week to meet fans of the team and we're told that the

33:48

whole city is buzzing at

33:50

the moment, but where is the sporting buzz

33:53

virtually silent Holly?

33:56

Sorry, did you hear that? That

33:59

would be the eye. of Ireland right

34:01

now. Yeah ever since

34:04

that quarterfinal defeat I like to talk about

34:06

it. There had been banners

34:09

and bars there were adverts

34:13

on the telly for a certain drink talking about nothing

34:15

else about the rugby. They're

34:17

suddenly all off air. Rugby church

34:19

will reduce in the shops

34:21

if you're interested. That's

34:24

just about what could have been. That's all it's really

34:26

ever discussed very quietly. And

34:29

I'll say it, we got ahead of ourselves. We

34:31

did. We thought we could do it and never again.

34:33

I

34:35

think Martin's quite keen to get involved here. I

34:37

bet he is.

34:40

I feel your pain. No you don't.

34:42

No you don't. We stormed our

34:44

way to the 35th. You stormed your

34:46

way. We

34:49

stormed your way. Come on. You

34:51

did not storm your way. All I know is you will look

34:55

wonderful wearing white tonight

34:58

supporting England in the bronze match.

35:00

I know that's happening Holly. I know

35:02

it's happening. But while you assess that I will

35:05

chuck in there the cricket world club. It's just

35:08

not really ignited anyone's

35:10

interest has it. Until maybe some

35:12

of the bigger games towards the end. But it just the

35:14

stadiums have been empty hasn't really

35:16

gone well. I know England haven't done particularly well unlike

35:19

the rugby world club where they're stormed

35:22

into the bronze match. They

35:24

say they stormed. Also no one

35:26

storms into the third place player.

35:28

Oh we do. We march triumphantly into

35:30

the third place player. I say thank you for the third place

35:33

player. Stop trying to make bronze match. No

35:36

one wants to play

35:38

it. I've got a blue

35:40

biro pen. I might start putting blue stripes

35:42

along this white top here. Actually just give me five

35:45

minutes.

35:45

It's worth it.

35:47

It's worth it Martin. I even like

35:49

this top. Did you ever have to play in a

35:51

third place playoff? I did yeah in 95

35:54

we lost to France and as a result of that England had

35:56

to qualify for the next World Cup and had to defeat

35:58

the Giants of of the Netherlands

36:01

to qualify for the next World Cup.

36:03

Complete waste of time. Absolute waste.

36:06

The best bit was though, we had a cracker night out

36:08

with the French after that. We all then went to the

36:10

final dinner where the

36:12

French and the England team were pretty much like Statler

36:15

and Wardolph in the Muffet. Just laughing

36:18

as the South African president said that

36:20

this was the first real rugby World Cup and

36:22

that New Zealand and Australia didn't win anything because South Africa

36:24

weren't there and Mike Brewer tried to storm the stage

36:27

to punch him. And we in the French were cackling

36:29

like the Muffets.

36:29

Yeah. Okay,

36:32

I'm kind of ransing to do a third place playoffs. Finally.

36:35

Please bronze matches. Bronze

36:37

matches. Yeah, so sorry. Ivo.

36:40

Well, again, I don't have

36:42

a night out to speak of. So what have I even bothered

36:44

turning up? But I did do a semi successful

36:47

comedy tour show in Sheffield last week, where

36:49

I do like to sprinkle the first half with a

36:51

little bit of football based chat to show my genuine

36:54

deference for the places I'm going to. And I'm a

36:56

big fan of Sheffield at a lovely time, but I

36:58

loved being able to say great to do a tour

37:00

show in a place where both of the city's team are bottom

37:02

of their respectively. And

37:05

of course, things may turn around and next season they may

37:07

be vying for promotion, but at the moment, it's

37:09

a tough season to be a Sheffield fan, whatever

37:11

the second word is.

37:13

And who haven't we had? I've

37:15

lost track. David. Yes,

37:17

Tizay. Well,

37:18

where? There is no buzz. Tizay.

37:21

Tizay. No, no, I stormed out

37:23

of the wardrobe. He stormed

37:26

out of Anthony Joshua's office. Yeah,

37:28

like a cannon out of a canoe. Now listen. Now

37:30

listen. Now listen. Now listen. Now

37:33

listen. Now listen. All right.

37:35

The buzz is absolutely silent in sorry. Yes,

37:37

I would know because I am indeed a sorry

37:40

red, where a lot of us preside, us

37:42

Manchester United fans, yes, the buzz

37:44

is absolutely dead. Do you say preside

37:46

or reside? Reside. Okay. Yeah,

37:48

yeah, yeah. I definitely said preside though. I meant. But

37:51

yes, that is really self-inflated.

37:54

But yes, that is really self-inflated.

37:59

because we have nothing. to celebrate. There's

38:01

nothing else going on this sorry? No,

38:04

don't be silly. Okay,

38:07

let's have a look at

38:09

the scores. Well

38:11

trailing behind, it's Anthony Joshua,

38:13

he's best friend David on 30 points, Ivo, Sheffield

38:19

Starling on 31, Holly

38:21

on 33, Martin that game

38:23

changer has really helped you on 37 points. Thank

38:26

you very much. Sorry. Sorry,

38:30

I didn't even know Paul. There's

38:34

an awful sound to you mate. Can

38:36

you repeat that? Even

38:39

just within the sort of number you're like 30 and

38:41

I was mentally accommodating like it's going to be 34, 35, 37. Are

38:45

you kidding me? These are the catchable. Yeah, well

38:47

I mean probably is for you actually. I

38:49

mean David might not give up. He's playing mind

38:51

games. I fit in a night out with a sportsman

38:54

between now and the OBI. Okay,

38:59

next question which is question number 10 maybe? I

39:01

don't know, no one's counting.

39:03

Lewis Hamilton and Charles Leclerc

39:06

both fell foul to a rule

39:08

that I think fairly few of us were familiar with. The

39:11

wooden plank on the bottom of their Formula One

39:13

car was the wrong size. But

39:16

what is the greatest bit of wood

39:19

in sport? Martin.

39:21

I'm

39:23

going to go for wood that way. When

39:25

the question came through my childish mind clearly

39:28

went in one direction. When I rained it in we're going sensible

39:30

on this one. Can I? Along with

39:32

those lines. I'm going to talk about wood that anyone

39:35

who's ever played sport whether they've enjoyed it or not

39:37

will be familiar with. It's the first field of dreams

39:39

for any young child getting to grips with a multitude

39:42

of sports that could come their way. It's

39:44

your first Wimbledon, it's your first Twickenham, it's

39:46

your first Wembley, it's where you play British

39:48

Bulldog, it's where you play crazy sports, it's where you

39:50

play the Flores Lava. You're talking about that

39:52

crazy parquet jigsaw

39:55

floor in your first sports hall at school

39:58

where you were... Oh, the world of sports is so... was

40:00

opened up to you. You learn more about physics

40:02

and the movement of objects

40:04

through space and time by climbing the wall

40:06

ladder grabbing hold of a rope and trying to swing and

40:08

then realising you're holding the wrong part of the rope and slamming

40:11

into the floor. Maybe just me then. But

40:13

it was the greatest stadium as a child

40:15

in the world. Your first ever

40:18

sports hall. Magic happened there. It was a launch

40:20

pad to so much success. So I'm obviously

40:22

imagining you as a six foot eight five year old.

40:27

The horse collapsing.

40:33

Greatest wood in sport, David. I'm

40:35

talking about a wood that is usually found

40:37

in broad leaved temperatures and tropical

40:40

forests in temperature and

40:42

boreal latitudes that are mostly deciduous

40:44

but in tropics and subtropics mostly

40:47

evergreen. The greatest wood of all time.

40:50

Hardwood. Yes. Hardwood.

40:53

That's right. Hardwood

40:55

makes up basketball courts all

40:57

around the United States and other places

40:59

around the world. Listen without the hardwood and

41:02

without hardwood there would be no basketball

41:05

games. There would be no slam dunks. There

41:07

would be no Michael

41:09

Jordan.

41:10

Could they not have been on Oxford? No no no no

41:12

no. How dare you Martin. Oh listen

41:15

not blasphemy. Unbelievable.

41:17

Hardwood is what we need. And

41:20

it is the greatest wood of all time. Yeah I mean it

41:23

takes in a lot of wood as well to be fair. Ivo.

41:26

Yes my mind went in the same childish direction about

41:28

this wood question and my friend Jack sent me a picture

41:31

of Conor McGregor in his pants that I've had to delete from my camera

41:33

roll. However I too am

41:35

going to talk about a sports venue and

41:37

its wood based construction and I'm going to talk about

41:40

the Siberian pine timber that

41:42

makes up the velodrome aka the

41:44

Pringle in Stratford where

41:46

Messers Hoy Pendleton,

41:49

Kenny, Trott now Kenny all

41:52

took gold London 2012. There's

41:54

a very detailed story online about how the pine

41:56

timber nearly didn't even arrive in time. What

41:59

a brilliant I think we've actually got time.

42:04

Nothing screams podcast extra in the

42:06

story about the delayed arrival of a Siberian

42:08

flying timber in spring 2012. Is

42:12

messes sort of gender neutral? No,

42:15

I said it and regretted it. I think

42:17

Pendleton will hate that. But

42:20

I'll give you another point anyway. Holly. I'm

42:23

still reeling from Martin's answer. I

42:25

feel like we went to very different schools. The

42:27

fact that you said your first sports hall

42:29

was where the magic happened. For me, my

42:31

memories of my first sports hall are doing

42:33

a bleep test on repeat, doing

42:36

your PE in shorts from

42:38

the lost property box. My first

42:41

sports hall was where dignity went to die.

42:43

That's probably why we went on a

42:45

very different sporting career.

42:47

No magic happened there whatsoever.

42:51

But my answer for the greatest piece of wood has got

42:53

to be the mighty snooker cue.

42:56

Yeah. It's something

42:56

special. It's a glorious bit

42:59

of equipment, isn't it? Like a big wooden

43:01

magic wand. And it epitomizes

43:04

two things. It epitomizes world

43:06

class snooker players, of course, like your Ronnie

43:08

O'Sullivan and your Judd Trumps. It also

43:10

epitomizes your misspent youth. You

43:13

know, it's the only bit of sporting equipment that we all

43:15

had access to, whether it was just in the pub

43:18

or your rich friend that you could go. Obviously

43:20

there was somebody who had a pool table in their house. They

43:23

could have a go and pretend that you're

43:25

good at it for at least a minute.

43:26

Did you put my one up, the classic? OK,

43:30

that brings us. No, it doesn't bring us to the end. We've

43:32

still got one more question. And then any other business,

43:34

so very premature for me. It cannot

43:37

have escaped anyone's notice that Britney Spears

43:39

has a book out. Getting rave reviews.

43:41

She lays bare her checkered career on

43:44

and off stage. What I want from the panel

43:46

is sports people or teams as

43:48

Britney songs, starting with

43:51

David. I'm going with

43:53

every time. And that is

43:55

in relation to Red Bull Racing this season. Oracle

43:58

Rebel Racing.

43:59

After week after week just wins. It's so boring.

44:02

It wins man. It's so boring. Every time.

44:04

Boring. Every time.

44:06

I love it. No. There's

44:08

nothing I love at home. After. Um, Holly

44:11

I'm so sorry I'm going for it.

44:13

Oops I did it again. The Irish

44:16

rugby team. Losing

44:18

in the quarter final. While

44:22

we storm into the bronze match. You

44:25

knew it was coming on me. You knew it was

44:27

coming. I don't know what you can do about it.

44:29

With that in mind I'm changing my answer.

44:31

And I'm going to go with the England rugby

44:33

team. I'm lucky to get

44:36

into the semi-final.

44:40

Ivo. I'm

44:42

not saying this is a bad thing necessarily. Because he's

44:44

a great man. And he's brought us some great times. But

44:47

England's men's football team under Gareth

44:49

Southgate. Overprotected. You

44:51

can do anything and he'll go into bat for you against the

44:54

fans.

44:55

Is there a Britney song called Overprotected?

44:57

There is. OK good. Point.

45:01

That's the one thing that's just about legitimate about that answer. Yeah,

45:03

yeah, yeah. Amazing you've got two points

45:05

for it. But certainly not enough to...

45:08

No you're never really Martin. Any

45:10

other... Any other... There's

45:12

the sound again. There's the sound I'm so familiar with.

45:15

Crushing disappointment. It's

45:19

up there with the baby crying. There it is.

45:22

There it is. Alright any other business? Ivo.

45:25

I was at my friend Charlotte and

45:27

Ben's wedding last weekend. And at about

45:29

quarter to midnight. Rumour

45:31

started to spread across the dance floor.

45:34

The groom has banned Mr.

45:36

Brightside. Absolutely thrilling stuff.

45:40

The requests were coming in and the

45:42

DJ was standing firm. And

45:45

I applaud it. I love the song.

45:47

I've certainly loved it in 2004. But

45:49

we do need to see a bit less of it. More

45:52

people need to take a stand. Even if

45:54

it's just deferring to other killer songs. Great

45:56

wedding. Great policy. David,

45:59

any other business? Well, the other day

46:01

I got back from Austin and my

46:03

sleeping pattern's been a little bit off, but as

46:06

I was up, oh my days, I said, what's going on here?

46:09

That's all. Every 30 constellators

46:12

you've got no chance to make it to fire anyway. I'd

46:16

be like, yeah, as I was jet lagged

46:19

and up in the middle of the night, all the way through to

46:21

the early morning, I was like, hold on, wait a minute. It's

46:24

like 7.30,

46:25

coming across to eight o'clock in the morning and there's

46:27

no sun. And I was like, hold on, but wait a minute, I've been

46:29

short-chased by summer. You know when you sit there and

46:31

you realize, hold on, the rest of the world's actually had a pretty

46:34

decent summer with some good heat. You know

46:36

what I'm saying? Some places had too much heat. Us over here,

46:38

nothing.

46:39

I want a refund. I don't know who I need to speak

46:41

to, what CEO I need to talk to, but I

46:43

need a refund from summer. Yeah,

46:45

complain about whether I'll get you some points. Martin. How

46:48

about complaints about politicians? Can

46:51

they please stop using the phrase

46:53

ordinary people? What constitutes

46:56

an ordinary

46:57

person? Certainly on our panel. It's

47:01

one of the many problems. They feel they are at a level

47:04

above us. You walk through the streets, you have no idea.

47:06

There's a whole myriad of extraordinary

47:08

people walking the streets, living their life in this

47:10

country who should never ever be

47:12

referred to as just

47:14

ordinary people. Stop it. I

47:17

like that. Holly.

47:18

I want to talk about a great injustice that I have

47:20

suffered this week. I hired

47:22

a car. I don't like doing anyway,

47:24

because it's difficult to give it back to them in one

47:27

piece, but on this occasion thought I had done that. Essentially

47:30

only to get a little letter in the post

47:32

to tell me that I had a parking ticket. I

47:35

love I got a parking ticket. Looked at it.

47:37

So basically what's happened is they, while

47:40

I was doing the paperwork, they brought out the car to

47:42

me, parked it illegally it would

47:44

seem, as a trap for

47:47

me to get into the car and

47:49

drive away and then tell me

47:51

that I had parked the car badly. And I've

47:54

got a parking ticket for parking it in the wrong

47:56

place. I didn't even park the car. I just

47:57

drove it away. Extremely logistic.

47:59

I'm going to have to battle to get this,

48:02

and I don't know, I don't know what I've got to let the

48:04

stand on tonight,

48:05

Rach. Well keep us posted, obviously. I

48:07

will. I fully will. A really

48:09

clarking anecdote. So

48:13

final scores, David obviously in last, 42 points.

48:16

That's a respectful score. Ivo 43

48:19

was never going to catch the front runners. Holly

48:22

on 49, Martin on 52, Martin

48:24

and Holly go into the head to head. We're thinking that

48:26

and then we're all over again. What we wanted. What

48:29

we wanted. Didn't mean David

48:31

of a quick bronze match. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:34

I saw him into the bronze match. Defending

48:38

the eventable, ridiculous statement, you have to answer

48:40

however much it hurts. If I say I, I

48:42

mean you, Martin, you scored

48:44

the most points so you go first. Okay,

48:48

you have 20 seconds on this,

48:50

Martin. After their performances in France,

48:53

England should be banned from all international

48:55

rugby for four years.

48:58

Absolutely right, because they're making it far too

49:00

easy to get through to the knockout stages of a competition.

49:03

We want everyone else to get involved, the smaller nations,

49:05

Chile, Portugal, Georgia,

49:08

Ireland. They need their moment in the sun

49:10

and the English we're like this huge umbrella

49:12

that is shielding the sun of success from all

49:14

the other nations. So absolutely keep England out of it, let

49:16

everyone else have a turn. That is what we

49:18

need because that's just the English way.

49:21

Okay, decent. I don't

49:23

know if I quite bought it. Holly.

49:26

20 seconds on this, despite their rankings,

49:28

deep down I always knew England

49:30

were a better rugby team than Ireland.

49:33

We all knew it really. Look at the calibre

49:35

of players. The very fact that we had to get an England

49:37

player's daddy to come and help us out

49:39

in

49:39

the first place,

49:40

it's ridiculous. We've got no players

49:43

that are worth their salt this weather. After the Six Nations

49:45

fluke that it was, we could only admire

49:47

those white shirts and the red roses and really

49:50

Ireland winning was almost like shooting

49:52

the cannon out of a canoe really

49:53

when everything happened. We

49:55

didn't stand a chance.

49:59

winning throughout that defending the defensive court.

50:02

I mean... I surrender. Yeah, of

50:04

course you do. There's no chance you're winning

50:06

that. Nothing at all. Holly...

50:09

That was painful, but okay. I'll

50:11

take it. Thank you very much. It

50:13

will salve the pain somewhat. You're the winner.

50:16

It will. It'll even help with the bargain ticket situation. Making you

50:18

the equal most successful Northern Irish contestants

50:20

ever. She's coming out of her cage and she's

50:23

doing just fine. Oh, yes. Ivo,

50:29

where did it all go wrong? You were

50:31

very late. You arrived very late. Yes, that was a

50:33

bad start. And obviously I didn't

50:36

reply to your text quickly enough in August for me. I

50:38

knew there'd be a few stings in that tale. Yes, of course.

50:41

David, who are you out with tonight? Oh, me.

50:44

I'm out with my... Well, no one to be honest with

50:46

you. It's just a date that's not going to be any post

50:48

on the Instagram story, so don't worry about that. Yeah, fine.

50:51

Martin, what's next for you? Well, I

50:53

mean, hey, this is the bronze game tonight. This is what I'm excited

50:55

about. After

50:58

storming your way there. After storming, they'll be...

51:01

...sapping my canoe for me. Fire

51:05

her in up the cannon. No!

51:10

No, no, no. Of

51:14

course, the most baffling thing for the listener is, of course,

51:16

this has already happened. What

51:18

do we do? I

51:21

can reveal. I think you won, but

51:23

nobody's dancing. Well done. Well

51:27

done, Holly. This has been a

51:29

world's-end production for 5 Live. Thanks

51:31

to our panel for being, I think, for the most

51:33

part quite fun. Next up, everything

51:35

you need to get through your sporting day, it's 5 Live Sports.

51:40

You're listening to the podcast extra of

51:42

Fighting Talk, and it is very much...

51:45

The floor is with Ivo Graham. Tell

51:47

me about this wood. Oh,

51:50

wow. Yeah. Late

51:53

arriving pine. Astonishing.

51:56

Classic pine, though, isn't it? Yeah.

51:59

Classic pine.

51:59

I've ever expected a bluff to be called

52:02

left. That's

52:04

a long version of my mine answer. I

52:08

like the way you can't even pretend. You've got nothing.

52:10

No, no, no, I've got it. But I will, you know, may

52:12

I defer to my phone for my pine store? I thought

52:14

you could have to, aren't you? It only now emerged,

52:16

this is from 2012, how close the

52:19

organizers of the London 2012 Olympics came to catastrophe after someone

52:22

forgot to order or rather required

52:24

timber in April last year. According

52:27

to a report on the Telegraph website, went, no,

52:29

forget that bit about

52:32

about track designer Ron Webb. But

52:38

the German mills found us another shipment and they went to

52:40

a lot of trouble to help us in the end. All's

52:43

well with NZL. Metters

52:45

Pendleton and Kenny were absolutely delighted,

52:47

I'm sure. The

52:50

wood thing vaguely reminded me of the sort

52:53

of excuse

52:53

that you give when you realize

52:55

that you've forgotten to order that pine and someone challenges

52:57

you on it. And I had that the other day with a pizza

53:00

order, right, where someone within

53:02

the group was very much gluten free

53:04

and all they said to me is just, yeah, anything really but

53:07

gluten free. And the pizzas arrived and they were looking

53:09

through the boxes and they were

53:11

going, oh, which one's gluten free? I immediately remembered I'd forgotten

53:13

to order a gluten free one. But I nevertheless

53:17

let them identify one, they said, I can tell from

53:19

the crust on that one. It must be that. I let them eat

53:22

it. No, no, no, no, no.

53:26

Because my feeling is that it was

53:28

a preference not an intolerance. And that

53:31

proved to be incorrect but

53:32

still, rather than fess that. It's

53:36

quite a platform to make that confession now. I'm

53:39

just a thing, you know this is not a safe fit. Just

53:41

to be clear. Podcast.

53:44

I killed a man. Yeah. Lady.

53:47

But all the same. They're

53:50

all messers to me. Anyone

53:53

else killed anyone this week? No, well

53:54

not yet but the week isn't over. Very

53:57

true. Any other

53:59

business?

53:59

Any other business from any other business? Yes.

54:02

I mean, I'm done. I'm going to Exeter

54:04

vs Lincoln this afternoon. Just as a neutral.

54:07

Lovely. Just to tick it off. Yeah,

54:10

why not? That's a long old journey.

54:12

Well, I'm in Plymouth to

54:15

write Saturday on tour. And

54:18

ideally Swinentown would be away somewhere in the southwest.

54:21

But they're just going to tick off St James's Park. The 92

54:23

is an ongoing project. That's a fantastic

54:25

project.

54:27

Top, sofa and bottom?

54:29

Oh, I went

54:32

to Notts County recently. George Swinnegate.

54:34

The Thumbt Paddy Thumbt. He's a fantastic

54:36

historic club. And also, I didn't know that

54:38

Notts County and Notton Forest are the

54:41

two closest grounds together

54:43

in, I think, England, not the UK.

54:47

But yes, you walk

54:49

into Notts County and you're going, well, it can't be here

54:51

because there's forest.

54:54

Nevertheless, there it is. You fool. Did

54:57

you see the picture of the K-pop

55:00

band in their Rangers shirts? Not

55:02

anyone. Yes, it was very

55:05

nice. It's a K-pop

55:07

band performing in Dallas, Texas. The

55:10

Texas Rangers doing very well. They're in the

55:12

World Series, which starts this

55:14

weekend, I think, against the Arizona

55:16

Diamondbacks. And they

55:18

thought, well, obviously we'll wear Rangers

55:21

shirts to show our support for the community.

55:24

And they've got some Rangers shirts in. Unfortunately, they've

55:26

got 1990s Glasgow Rangers shirts. It's

55:30

very easily done because the colours are

55:32

actually the same too. I've had this on reverse. I

55:35

went to a Rangers

55:37

match as in Dallas and

55:39

got a baseball hat. And it just didn't dawn on

55:41

me for some reason, particularly where I'm from, to

55:44

be walking about with a hat that says

55:46

a big R in it with the colours.

55:48

And yeah, it's an easy mistake

55:51

to make. However, I mean, they really went to time with

55:53

it. I

55:53

mean, it was a proper retro,

55:55

but like, I mean, it's so obvious,

55:57

surely, that it had McEwins on the

55:59

front.

55:59

I think the McEwins is not going

56:02

to be sponsoring. They're all drinking the McEwins.

56:06

Colin Hendry will never have to buy a drink in the bowl

56:08

again. There's a great moment on top

56:10

of the talks many many many many years ago. Dexys

56:13

Minnet Runners are performing, Jackie

56:15

Wilson said, and the backdrop were pictures

56:17

of Jockey Wilson, the DARTIST. Now,

56:21

interestingly, apparently

56:23

that was a joke

56:25

on the part of the production team. They knew that they'd done that and they

56:27

thought it was funny. Very good.

56:29

Very good. Can I just

56:32

say, to watch Martin produce that

56:34

and then to watch Edward Rabotett just lie.

56:37

You're just watching

56:39

two knowledgeable men slugging it out.

56:43

Two knowledgeable, approaching middle-aged

56:45

men storming towards

56:47

middle-aged. In your canoe. I

56:51

can't storm anywhere these days. Well, that'll be that.

56:56

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56:59

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57:04

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57:07

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57:07

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57:09

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