1:51

slight

2:00

pause, which I think I didn't enjoy. The

2:03

Bolt and Brainiac is a better nickname than the Vixen, isn't

2:05

it? I think so, yeah. I mean, fewer

2:08

connotations are going through people's bins. Not

2:10

no connotations are going through people's bins,

2:12

but fewer. You've got a book out, so you've got 15 seconds

2:14

to plug it, starting now. It's all about quizzes,

2:16

and I think you even get a mention in it, Rick, because

2:19

you did a quiz, didn't you? Yes, I did.

2:21

Well, there you go. You're a guest on our podcast, Fingers on Buzzers,

2:24

and that is also the title of the book, and it's

2:26

a good lesson, and it's a real good read.

2:28

That was the 15

2:30

seconds, and you used them admirably. I was going

2:32

to give you some extra seconds as soon as you said I was in it. Next

2:35

up, a man who's fighting to a day of use five years ago next

2:37

month, and on for the 13th

2:40

time, but hasn't won a fighting talk since 2019.

2:44

The wheels have never been on, frankly. Actor and Arsenal fan

2:46

Jake Wood. Yeah. Hello, talk. Morning,

2:49

Rick, how are you? Yeah, I'm good,

2:51

thank you. Oh, stats are not good, are they? No,

2:53

and they're absolutely miserable, sorry to

2:55

say it. We can't really talk about

2:57

the outcome, because certainly it's been on telly,

3:00

but the last time we were together, Jake

3:02

was on Celebrity Catch Break. Yeah, I was going to mention

3:04

that, Rick. Yeah. Yeah, say what you see.

3:07

Yeah, so we are, I mean, we're leading glamorous lives is what

3:09

I'm saying. That was a good day,

3:11

that, wasn't it? My brain was hurting at the end of

3:13

that. I've got to admit, it was like three

3:15

hours of looking at this screen with this, I don't

3:17

know what that, what is that thing? Mr. Chips.

3:20

No, what is it? I don't know what it is. What is

3:22

it? It's Mr. Chips. Yeah, come on. I was dreaming about

3:24

that thing. Well,

3:27

I'm glad to remind you. Well,

3:30

it's nice to have you on. Yeah, lovely feedback. I'll try

3:32

and make sure that your brain hurts by the end of it. On

3:34

for show number 36. 18 years

3:38

ago this week, he made his Fighting

3:40

Talk debut. Right now, that span

3:42

makes him the fifth longest serving panellist

3:45

in Fighting Talk history, behind

3:47

Brady, Oldroyd, Mills and Kelner. His 12

3:50

Fighting Talk wins have come under six different

3:52

hosts. However, he

3:54

has not won any of his five previous appearances on

3:57

recorded versions of the show, including, thankfully, an unbelievable

3:59

amount of time. broadcasted DTI effort

4:01

about having Mike Tyson round for Christmas dinner. Comic

4:04

and Bristol City fan Mark Watson. I

4:07

said what I said. And we couldn't broadcast

4:09

it. That was the problem with that. That

4:11

was exactly the problem. Yes, erm...

4:14

I mean, those statistics made

4:16

me feel very old indeed. First time I did Fightin'

4:19

Talk, the questions were things like, will Nigel Clough

4:21

be as good as Brian in the forest, actually?

4:25

Should we persist with the orange ball in snowy

4:27

conditions? The answer to that, of course, is yes.

4:30

Yeah, that should never have gone away. How

4:33

were you adjusting to life as a viral sensation? Remained

4:35

the same man you always knew, Rick. I get up in

4:37

the morning, have a cup of tea, put my trousers on, sometimes

4:39

it's the other way around. Yeah,

4:41

getting up is always the first bit, though. No, I remain

4:44

the same boy that Fightin' Talk listeners

4:46

have always known. Again, though, this is my first time

4:48

under Edwards, as it were. So,

4:51

just looking forward to seeing how you compare

4:53

to the many, many other custodians that

4:55

I see. Oh, yeah, well, please do rank

4:58

me against the other custodians, I'd love that. I

5:00

love how the wheels don't come off, as I always say. Let's

5:04

go, we will start with this.

5:07

So, a corner, in it comes, and it's Clanche

5:09

headed in! Harry Kane

5:12

may have got a touch of the defender on the way

5:14

in. It's an own goal, it's an Etanasoff

5:17

own goal, but it is North Macedonia 1, England 1.

5:20

Absolutely thrilling stuff. Gareth Southgate admitted

5:22

this week that reducing the squad back down to 23 players

5:25

for the next year's Euros means we can

5:27

take far fewer gambles. So,

5:29

let's give Gareth a gamble worth taking

5:32

next summer. Jay? I think

5:34

he should play Aaron Ramsdale, even if Aaron

5:36

Ramsdale is not playing as much as he

5:39

should for Arsenal. He should take a gamble

5:41

on him, because I think the whole situation is, as

5:45

an Arsenal fan, it's quite frankly

5:48

puzzling. He's got two first keepers,

5:50

isn't he? He's going to rotate

5:52

the setter, and he hasn't done that. I

5:55

just feel really bad for Ramsdale, he's done nothing wrong, he's

5:57

a fan favourite, we love him there, he's so passionate. you

6:00

know for the club and and

6:03

he's sitting there on the bench he doesn't look happy does

6:05

he Ramsdale and then and then you get Gareth putting the

6:07

boot in saying look if he's not playing he's got no chance

6:09

of playing for England it's

6:11

just it's all gone so wrong in such

6:14

a short space of time

6:17

and you know he doesn't

6:19

look happy he doesn't know I'm getting a bit I'm

6:21

getting a touch of the Ramsdale's yeah listen

6:26

Gareth needs to every place for Arsenal and not

6:28

he should put him in there don't worry about Jordan Pickbury

6:30

he's better than Jordan Mark well

6:32

that lad of Tannes off who scored the equaliser against North Macedonia

6:35

looks worth a go well

6:39

if we're talking gambles Gareth could do England

6:41

not to get out of the groups is 12 to 1 but I don't think he's

6:43

allowed to do that I would say I'm

6:46

really not in the spirit if I talk but I agree

6:48

with the agree with the Ramsdale point

6:50

I would say, fans

6:53

gate, of course you knew that was

6:55

going I do know but I wanted it on the record that Ramsdale

6:57

has been harshly treated something

6:59

bigger I think every

7:02

time Southgate announces a squad no matter who

7:04

is not in it or isn't it everyone complains

7:06

Southgate should ignore

7:08

all that where he needs to start taking more gambles

7:11

is in game he needs to make bolder

7:13

substitutions I would say Southgate's one

7:15

floor manager is too scared to influence

7:17

the outcome of games too scared to change the pattern

7:20

so I think don't worry about taking you

7:22

know these Maguire Henderson all these unpopular

7:24

choices stick to your guns but then he just needs

7:26

to be more flexible when

7:28

the chips are down that is what separates Southgate

7:31

from from glory I'm always so

7:33

surprised when someone gives like a reasonable I've got

7:35

a nother long day especially

7:38

me I know 20 years of talking complete crap

7:40

on this show but just now and again I show another

7:42

side it's a real yeah

7:44

real pleasure to see it Jenny

7:47

yeah I think he's gonna have to take

7:49

some gambles I can seem betting on a bit of youth

7:51

I mean Gerald Quonser hasn't looked

7:53

at a place at Liverpool and Jerry

7:56

Brantway could get a call up because

7:58

you know the going to

8:00

be an injury crisis so I think

8:03

adding a bit of quality depth is

8:05

going to be important but he also

8:07

needs to avoid playing it safe and

8:10

leave a certain talismanic team member

8:12

at home. He needs to take a bet on

8:15

fashion darling while the waistcoat

8:17

may be imbued with very good fortune

8:19

it's a safe bet but it's going to be too warm

8:21

and sticky in Germany's continental

8:23

climate for that. He needs to

8:26

think outside of his comfort zone so get

8:29

very fashionable. Grunge, Corey,

8:30

very nargariff so maybe some

8:32

faggy clad trousers and a moth-eaten beanie.

8:35

The Canadian tuxedo is

8:37

still very popular double denim maybe

8:39

triple denim maybe quadruple but

8:42

I'm going to advise him to

8:44

bet on the hottest men's fashion trend of

8:46

the moment that the skirt not

8:49

the kilt the skirt even

8:51

John Cena has been seen in

8:53

a skirt. Gareth take that fashion

8:55

gamble just make sure you moisturise

8:57

your legs first. Paul

9:00

my thoughts for Gareth's gamble is much

9:03

more simple and straightforward. I think

9:05

Gareth should play football

9:07

given the way that England

9:09

team have been performing against the might of

9:11

Malta and North Macedonia. I'm

9:14

not going to say golden generation

9:16

even though English people like to claim every

9:19

generation is a golden generation but he has

9:21

got some incredible footballers

9:24

most of them stolen from Ireland. Declan

9:27

Rice, Jack Grealish,

9:30

even Harry Kean, Fallis and

9:32

Gollway he should have been playing for Ireland what team that would

9:34

have been but leaving that aside

9:37

with all of these players just play some football

9:39

Gareth don't be so English unbuttoned up

9:41

have a go at doing what

9:43

it is that people pay to go and see rather

9:46

than passing it side by side and playing six defences

9:48

midfielders or whatever it is you've decided.

9:51

Now slightly disappointingly for you you're

9:53

about to lose a point for the

9:55

simple reason that when you first said that I thought

9:57

you meant bring himself on to play. Yeah.

10:00

I wish I liked the idea of, but you didn't mean

10:02

that, so you lost a point. I certainly did not mean

10:04

that. I don't want to know the point of that.

10:07

Fine. It's gone. You're

10:09

back down to zero. Question

10:11

done. We'll move then. Come on. Very

10:14

early. It's question two. It comes

10:16

from you, the listeners. Hello,

10:19

Harry Heath. Hello, hello. Good morning.

10:22

How are you, Harry? You're all good? All good,

10:24

yes, yes, yes. All ready, ready to go. That's where I like

10:26

to hear you. Your intro song actually relates to your question. Right. So

10:29

come on, eh? What is your question, Harry? So, in

10:31

the world of NFL, with Mr. Taylor Swift, aka Travis Kelsey, and

10:33

his brother Jason releasing this cover of Fairy Tale of New

10:35

York in Time for Christmas, with lyrics including, You're handsome,

10:37

you're pretty, you're the king of

10:39

South Philly. So, in

10:42

the world of NFL, with Mr.

10:45

Taylor Swift, aka Travis Kelsey,

10:47

and his brother Jason, releasing

10:49

this cover of Fairy Tale of New York in

10:51

Time for Christmas, with lyrics including,

10:54

You're handsome, you're pretty, you're the king of

10:56

South Philly. Which two people from

10:58

the world of sport would you like to see team

11:00

up to sing a festive chartopper, and

11:02

what short song should they sing? Good

11:05

luck.

11:06

Thanks very much, Harry,

11:08

for the luck in particular. I mean, the first

11:10

thing to note is that I don't hate it. I

11:13

really don't hate it. Paul. There

11:16

is only one duo on one track.

11:19

We have to have Roy King

11:21

and Mika Richards together. And

11:24

when they get together, they are going to record,

11:26

maybe it's cold outside. And

11:29

it doesn't really matter who takes

11:31

which part, because whoever does it,

11:34

it is going to be weird. If it is

11:36

Mika trying to bring Roy back saying, I'll

11:39

put some records on while I pour. That

11:41

is really, really uncomfortable. And if

11:43

it's Roy flipping that round, that's even worse.

11:46

So that is the record that we have to hear. Yeah,

11:49

good luck beating that. Mark. Well,

11:51

in fact, Paul's already said there was only one track and one answer.

11:53

So we're done. Yeah. I'd

11:56

quickly like to say, I think the fairytale

11:58

New York situation is out of control. now we need

12:00

I know you say you didn't mind the song this version I think

12:03

there should be an emergency five-year

12:05

freeze on anyone doing any more versions of it it's

12:07

out of control Christmas is

12:09

a time for sort of patching up old sort

12:11

of animosities and drawing a line

12:13

under things I'd like to see Venger and Ferguson team

12:16

up and specifically I'd like to see

12:18

them do Rockin' Around the Christmas tree. Do you

12:20

remember the Kim Wild

12:22

and Mel Smith version of Rockin' Around the Christmas tree? Of course.

12:24

Little bits of banter I'd like to see them recreate

12:27

not just the video but the banter or

12:29

I love to pull a cracker looks like you already have that

12:31

sort of thing. It's

12:35

very hard to imagine us in being a celebrating Christmas you

12:37

can't see him in a jumper you can't see

12:39

him sort of just idling with a sherry but

12:41

this is I'd love to see the video and

12:45

I'd love to see them embark on a Robson and Jerome

12:47

esque long term calling partnership

12:49

yeah. Is he your thing in full album? Yeah

12:51

I'll give you a point. In time yeah yeah I'm happy

12:54

to see it. Jenny.

12:56

One of the all-time festive bangers

12:58

has to be I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday

13:01

by Wizard confronted by Roy Wood.

13:03

I'm picturing the band being joined by another Roy,

13:06

Roy Hobson. You can picture

13:08

it can't you? He's got his wig, his purple

13:10

shades, fake snow everywhere.

13:11

She's quite easy to picture

13:14

yeah. Yeah.

13:15

And he goes okay kids okay

13:17

you lot take it and then the quiet

13:19

kids the young Crystal Palace side

13:21

come in in 442

13:22

obviously and take

13:24

the bridge led

13:27

by guest choir boy, voice of an angel,

13:29

little Joey Cole in his Pundra uniform

13:32

which does look like a cross between something from Peaky

13:34

Blinders the musical and a Dickensian Urchin which

13:36

seems very festive to me. Let the bells

13:39

ring out for Christmas.

13:39

Jake. I like

13:42

that I would like to see the Gibraltar manager

13:44

Julio Cesar Rebath do a duet

13:47

with his captain Roy Cipollina and

13:49

I'd love to see them sing the John Prine

13:51

seminal 1973 Christmas hit

13:54

Christmas in Prison. That's

13:56

where the Gibraltar team need to be in it after

13:58

they lost 14-0 to France. and then they lost 6-0 to

14:00

the Netherlands about three days later. It probably

14:03

would be that hard to get them to do that either. Yeah, it's

14:05

the only realistic one we've heard. We'll

14:08

give them a call after this. Harry,

14:13

I imagine you're still there. Who

14:15

are you going to award the bonus points to? Well,

14:18

the tough one, I think my Spurs

14:21

loyalty probably means I can't give it to

14:23

Mark with Arsenal on the track. I

14:25

didn't have that information at the time. Apologies,

14:28

apologies. As a quizzer, I

14:30

probably should go with Jenny, but I think the vision

14:32

of Roy and Mika

14:35

singing our way together, I think it's

14:37

the stuff of nightmares or dreams, but I think it's going

14:39

to get the points. Yeah, I think that's

14:42

a very good call from you, Harry. Thanks very much for

14:44

your question. All right,

14:46

cheers. Have a good day. Likewise,

14:49

very polite man, Harry, I thought. Question

14:51

number three then, a big

14:53

night of boxy in December with a bill including Anthony

14:56

Joshua and Deonce Wilder not fighting each

14:58

other. All takes place in boxing's

15:01

sentimental birthplace, Saudi Arabia.

15:03

And promoter Eddie Hearn says, boxing is

15:06

in the best place it's ever been. But

15:08

which sport is currently in its worst

15:11

place? Jake. I would say, listen,

15:13

I'm going to say boxing. Boxing is in the

15:15

worst place ever, Rick. I mean,

15:18

listen, there's been one heavyweight title

15:20

fight this year, that was Uzzik versus

15:22

Dubois. I think it's the first time that's ever happened

15:25

since about, well, sometime in

15:27

the 50s. No one wants to fight each

15:29

other. You've got this perforation

15:31

of Saudi money. So unless they're getting

15:33

hundreds of millions, they feel like they're being underpaid.

15:36

You've got the rise of misfits boxing YouTubers,

15:38

which is quite frankly a joke. And...

15:41

Yeah, I mean, if

15:45

you get Chris Eubank Jr. and Conor Ben,

15:47

for example, if or if Fury AJ ever

15:49

happens, these fights are going to happen out in Saudi Arabia. They're

15:51

not going to happen over here, where they should be. So

15:54

listen, I know everyone is making a lot of money in boxing.

15:56

Eddie Hearn is obviously happy. He's very

15:58

smiley.

15:59

I think for a real boxing fan, I

16:02

think boxing is not in the best place. Absolutely.

16:05

Bang on. He looks like a Cheshire cat. Um,

16:07

Mark.

16:08

See, I was going to say that, and I was also going to say the Ramster

16:11

thing. Jake is right in my head here. He's in

16:13

my head. I feel like I've been man-marked at every

16:15

corner. Because

16:17

it is true, this thing of like, they won't bite each other because they hate

16:20

each other too much. It's like, well, one way of sorting that out is

16:22

traditionally to punch each other. But, OK, fine. If

16:26

we're talking about sports that are in a poor way, though, I'd say

16:28

rugby, club rugby union in this

16:30

country is a huge thing. In fact, you can lose three

16:33

teams from the top division to

16:35

financial problems. And it's sort of been quietly

16:37

going along for a long time. There's

16:39

multiple problems. As soon as you get clubs in, like,

16:41

Wasp going to Coventry, London Irish

16:44

moving around, this is a long-term consequence

16:46

of clubs moving away from their fan base. But also, rugby.

16:49

And I love rugby. I've taken a lot of stick

16:51

for that over the years on Fighting Talk. But it doesn't quite

16:54

make enough money to support the professional

16:56

structure we've got at the moment. So, basically, I have

16:59

to say to go into serious monetary again, Rick, that

17:01

someone needs to shake up rugby. There are a few

17:04

in all sorts of trouble. I do like it when you

17:06

do your funny answers as well, just so you know. It's a bit of fun.

17:08

I've got it all in my locker, Rick. You

17:11

lose a point of bragging. Jenny. Robbed.

17:15

With Saudi Arabia hosting the bouts, I

17:17

do think that ethically, boxing

17:19

is, I agree, in probably

17:21

the worst place it's ever been.

17:22

Stop agreeing with everyone. Hi!

17:26

That's a general point for all of me.

17:28

There is a more toxic environment. There's

17:30

an artificial city filled with tourists, the mafia

17:33

and artificial people. Formula One

17:35

tying themselves to the crux and sleaze of

17:37

Las Vegas hasn't quite paid

17:39

off, destroying, as it has, a multi-million

17:42

pound room broom with a rogue manhole cover.

17:45

It sounds like the state of roads in Bolton, to be honest.

17:49

Geographically, it's in a terrible place, but also

17:51

Formula One's having an existential

17:53

crisis. Identity crisis. What

17:55

is it these days? Is it a sport? Is

17:58

it a global

17:58

entertainment road shape?

17:59

Or is it a content farm for drag to

18:02

survive? Who knows? No, it's

18:04

a hobby, isn't it? There

18:06

we go. But Jake has spoken. If

18:09

you wanted the answer, there it is. We

18:11

need to stop agreeing, but yes. We're allowed to

18:13

answer each other's rhetorical questions. Yeah,

18:15

it's not a sport, it's a hobby, isn't it? Driving. Driving

18:18

around in your multi-million pound from from. Paul.

18:22

I think high level top of pyramid

18:24

football. It is in a crisis

18:27

moment. So much Saudi money has made

18:29

it so that every piece

18:32

of contract negotiation has got a

18:34

file amount of money. Nobody knows who's going

18:36

where. Multi-club ownership, not just in

18:38

Saudi, but beyond with American owners

18:40

buying up things in Europe. With

18:44

British owners buying up in France and

18:46

in Britain.

18:47

Major clubs are getting point stocked. I know they

18:49

do that in Italy just as a matter of course. But now

18:51

it's coming into the Premier League. And

18:53

the World Cup. The World Cup is going to

18:55

be 48 teams next time. 48 teams, 16

18:58

cities. It's so long.

19:01

Nobody's quite sure when it's going to start. It's sort of

19:03

some time in June, maybe, might end in

19:05

July. It's like the cricket World Cup. It's

19:08

becoming matin-terminable. I think high level

19:10

football is in a serious problem. Anyone

19:12

want to agree with that? No, we don't dare.

19:15

Good, good. You learned it. We stopped ourselves even from nodding

19:17

in the studio. Right then, the score's Jenny.

19:19

It's pretty tight. Jenny's

19:24

got nine. Mark is on

19:26

ten and Tyde... Well, no, actually

19:28

Mark is Tyde before, to be fair, on ten. And Jake

19:30

is out in the lead on 11. I've

19:42

been saying for quite a few weeks I want that bed to just

19:44

be about five seconds shorter. But no one

19:46

listens to me. The way

19:48

I'm doing it, I'm quite passive aggressively,

19:51

not feeling the time. At some point,

19:53

someone will make it shorter. That's my

19:55

plan. Okay, a quick one. Man

19:58

City take on Liverpool this lunchtime. I want

20:00

to know if you have to be stuck in a lift with either Pep or Jurgen,

20:02

which manager would you prefer to spend

20:05

quality time with? And it is

20:07

a quickie. Paul.

20:09

Jurgen.

20:10

Every Liverpool fan and loads of people say

20:12

he's a lovely guy, I want to get into a lift

20:14

and then see how lovely he is by mumbling.

20:17

When he says, what floor do you want to go to,

20:19

I want to go... He

20:23

will get so annoyed and then we will

20:25

see the veneer crack and the teeth close

20:28

in. Jurgen mumbling was your

20:30

first... But do you think Pep

20:32

would respond better to the mumbling? I think he

20:35

might think that I'm talking tactics. He'd go, yes,

20:37

yes! Jenny.

20:41

I think the location is absolutely key. If

20:43

it was a dinner party, it would definitely be

20:45

Klopp. Because I think at worst,

20:48

he would definitely clear the table and

20:51

he would load that dishwasher

20:52

with immaculate precision. But I'm thinking...

20:54

With a mike press. With a mike press. Waiting

20:57

in comfort.

20:58

Waiting in comfort until the lift gets repaired.

21:01

There's no competition, it has to be Pep. I think one

21:03

of his voluminous cardigans would

21:05

make an ideal nest for a little nap. And

21:07

then he could literally sleep with a rance about Catalan

21:10

independence. With his soothing tones

21:12

and by the time I wake up, we're

21:13

out of there. Lovely.

21:15

Yeah, pretty lovely. Jake.

21:17

Pep, I'm going to ask him about the more than 100 breaches of

21:19

the financial rules of Man City and

21:22

find out what he knows. If I'm in there long

21:24

enough, he'll tell me, will he? Are

21:27

you going to be holding him up against the ball of blimp? No,

21:29

I'm not going to man anything. Charge number 64.

21:32

Yeah. Go

21:34

on, we've got all day here, Pep. But

21:37

if it goes on some time in the air, you know, if you

21:39

start running out of air and all that, he might start panicking.

21:42

So, yeah, he might let me know. I mean, it's terrible, isn't it? Like,

21:45

you know, Everton being docked 10 points and that was

21:47

on one charge, you know, so they've

21:49

got more than 100 against them. So,

21:52

yeah, listen, I want to know this guy too. I was doing it, but

21:54

I would love to see the sort of two man

21:56

chamber play that was Jake Wood and Pep in a

21:58

lift. Mark. I'm

22:05

just looking to get out of that lift as quickly as possible.

22:07

I find the idea of a lift very anxiety

22:10

making and I think Pep is basically just too calm.

22:12

I think Pep would be saying we're in a good moment, we

22:15

do the right things. Sometimes

22:17

you're in a lift, sometimes you get out of it. That's no good to me. Clop.

22:20

Paul's right, Clop often does look like a nice guy

22:22

and it's meant to be a nice guy, but you also see flashes

22:25

of real menace in Clop's interviews sometimes. I

22:27

think Clop would turn out to have a hacksaw and just

22:29

get a sit right out of there. Or at the very

22:31

least he'd be hammering on the doors, he'd be smashing

22:33

the safety button. So Clop, just because I think he'd get

22:35

results quicker. I actually think he's climbing at

22:37

the top. I think climbing at the top. I

22:41

for one would follow him all the way. Okay,

22:46

Chancellor Jeremy Hunt gave his autumn statement

22:48

on Wednesday. So let's hear your

22:50

sporting autumn statements for sports teams

22:53

or people starting with

22:56

Jenny, please.

22:57

So in the best

23:00

spirit of BBC News, I'm going to give you a

23:03

summary of what the autumn statement means for you in

23:05

brief. Beer duty frozen, wine

23:07

duty

23:07

up 25p, international

23:10

duty still hugely unpopular with

23:12

big clubs,

23:13

national budget deficit for 23-24 is 4.5% plus the centre back, seen

23:15

as Harry Maguire is

23:19

back in the England side. Has anyone got one going spare?

23:23

Going down by 5% points in the last year, employing

23:25

national insurance contributions down two points

23:28

and after an investigation by the Office of Budget

23:30

Responsibility, Everton down 10 points.

23:33

Special interest free loans made available to small businesses,

23:36

special interest free live golf made available

23:39

on YouTube, awesome, we're not exactly

23:41

sure. VAC remains unchanged,

23:43

unfortunately so does VAR.

23:45

That was giving me flashbacks of my day job actually,

23:47

Jenny. Jake. I'm

23:49

going to reinstate the £10 Coach Trouble Scheme

23:51

for Chelsea

23:53

and in fact I'm going to reinstate it for all

23:55

of the clubs because I think the cost of

23:57

it is £250,000 a year.

23:59

per club but that's fine we could just have a whip round

24:02

starting with Jordan Henderson it's about

24:04

day's wages isn't it for him out in Saudi so

24:07

Jordan can pay for that and then we'll have a whip round get

24:09

the rest of the money

24:10

yeah they should never have scrapped it I think they've been so tight

24:12

with that I mean in the scheme of things it's peanuts

24:14

isn't it and that means so much to the to the fans

24:17

so listen I think I'll get a lot of favour

24:19

if I do that.

24:20

Yeah yeah it was going so well

24:22

until at the end you admitted you were just trying to make

24:24

yourself popular Jake it's a nice idea oh

24:26

yeah that's part of the game

24:29

isn't it I would like to make an overall statement

24:31

about cricket there is just too much cricket

24:34

happening and it is making everything or

24:36

it's devaluing the the sport Jenny

24:39

it's already been touched upon the cricket world cup went on

24:41

for more than three years there's

24:43

the t20s immediately after that I looked in my

24:45

garden the other day India playing Sri Lanka I didn't know

24:48

why there

24:51

are just we all understand why

24:53

these shorter formats exist they exist to seduce

24:55

a young pair but there's there's too many different

24:57

types of cricket and it demotivates

25:00

you from watching any of it in my opinion not

25:02

in Jenny's opinion but this is fighting talk

25:04

yeah the luxury

25:05

of waking up every morning and sticking test

25:07

match special on there's always some oh it was wonderful

25:09

but it's not just about this is becoming test match

25:12

mundane they

25:15

might rename it you never know Paul I'm

25:18

going down to just three measures I'm

25:20

going to keep them simple because I think there's

25:22

an awful lot of wooliness around some of the measures that

25:24

can get announced the first is to raise some

25:26

money much needed money for the country I

25:28

am going to tax Michael Owen and

25:30

the uses of Michael Owen that means that

25:33

any any broadcaster

25:35

any network that decides to hire Michael

25:37

Owen will have to pay a supplementary

25:40

fee oh yeah checker and

25:43

not only that not only that but there

25:45

is going to be a another bit of money

25:47

every time Michael says something incomprehensible

25:50

or stupid there will have to be an extra bit

25:53

of money paid showing.

26:00

Delighted

26:02

the opposite of that. That just cost an awful

26:04

lot of money. It was worth

26:07

it. I'm going to insist that

26:09

everybody knows and learns the name

26:11

Kelvin Kiptum, the 23 year old Kenyan

26:14

who ran a marathon two hours 35 seconds, started

26:17

out in his bare feet in his farm in the Rift

26:19

Valley, not from for the actual marathon,

26:21

that would have been very long. You could have to get there

26:23

wouldn't it? But he almost didn't go

26:26

to run the marathon in Canada because

26:28

he had a bit of a groin strain and he said,

26:31

I had a little bit of malaria. That

26:33

is how he created a mania that he

26:35

still broke it. Just a touch of malaria, wow.

26:38

And the final thing, I'm going to abolish golf.

26:41

Golf has gone, well done, I'll leave

26:44

you on that. The golf courses of

26:46

Britain are now going to be used for dog walking

26:48

and open air raves when people want it.

26:50

From the top 500 golfers in the world,

26:53

male and female are going on the bends. They are going

26:55

to be a useful national

26:57

resource. Thank you. Yeah,

26:59

I'm giving you a point even though I like golf because it is fighting so

27:01

I can it's punchy. Good stuff.

27:04

Let's have a quick look at the scores. Jenny's got 15,

27:06

Paul and Jake got 17, Mark's

27:08

got 18. That's it for the first half. Back with

27:11

more fighting talk after this.

27:14

My name's Joe Wilkinson and I'm doing a

27:16

podcast because I love football. Boy, I

27:18

love more is the idea of being friends

27:21

with a professional footballer. The footballer

27:23

I'd like to be friends with is Patrick

27:25

Bamford. Hello, Patrick. Will you be my friend? So

27:27

that's yet to be decided. Okay, not what I

27:30

was hoping. My mates of footballer is

27:32

a new BBC sounds podcast with me Patrick

27:34

Bamford and Joe Wilkinson. Some days he'll

27:36

hate it other days he won't and eventually

27:39

he will fall in love with me. Search

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sounds.

27:59

Welcome back panel, Paul, Jenny, Jake and Mark

28:02

and welcome back anyone who's listening.

28:04

On this day in Fighting Talk History, the

28:07

25th of November 2006, an inexperienced panel of

28:10

Ian Stone, four previous shows. Nihal

28:13

Arfaniaka, one previous show, Trevor Nelson,

28:15

two and Claire Boulding, one, barely stopped

28:17

talking amongst themselves in an early Colin

28:19

Murray show. He docked all of the panelist points at the

28:21

start of the second half in an attempt to regain discipline.

28:24

Then at the finale, after woeful defending

28:26

of the indefensible by Stone and Boulding, third

28:29

place Nelson was awarded the win, exactly

28:31

like Tom Gibbs two weeks ago. There

28:34

are no original ideas on this show. Game

28:37

changer time, five points for one

28:39

of you, none for the rest and it

28:41

is back to Vegas and last

28:43

week's Grand Prix. Through the final

28:46

corner comes back to the seven. For the 18th

28:48

time in 21 races this year

28:50

he will win but dramatically

28:52

at the final corner, Charles Leclerc

28:54

beats Perez and he disrupts the

28:57

Rebel one to a sumptuous move

28:59

from Leclerc. Commentator working pretty

29:01

hard there to make it sound exciting. A class

29:03

action lawsuit has been filed against Formula One

29:05

on behalf of 35,000 fans after they

29:08

were told to leave the Las Vegas practice season

29:10

as it was getting late. Give

29:14

me a time when you should have probably

29:15

lawyered up after sports

29:18

shortchanged you. A

29:20

time when sports shortchanged you, pull

29:22

please.

29:23

I'm going to take you back Rick to the late

29:26

80s. It is a hurling

29:28

blitz competition on the

29:30

Glen Road in North Belfast.

29:33

CBS schooler hosting, my schooler

29:36

there. I was hopeless at

29:38

hurling. I was in the hurling team as

29:40

the enforcer, even

29:43

at 12. You don't seem

29:45

like an enforcer to me. I was given the, imagine

29:47

doing it with a stick. I was there to find their

29:49

best player and stop him playing wherever

29:52

that happened. And

29:53

I'd say again, I was terrible at hurling.

29:57

During one match, it was a blitz tournament.

30:00

I seem to be going for one particular player very

30:03

aggressively and out of the corner

30:05

of my eye I saw a movement

30:08

and then I heard a noise and I realised it was

30:10

one of the priests from CBS in

30:12

his long flowing cassock running

30:14

onto the pitch shouting, that

30:17

boy is an animal, get

30:19

him off the pitch, he is an animal and

30:21

he came towards me and so there was this

30:23

rather strange scene of a young

30:26

boy on a Gaelic pitch

30:28

being chased by a priest and I

30:30

ran and ran until our teacher intervened with

30:32

hindsight. I think I should have

30:34

perhaps thought there's action

30:36

here. You

30:40

can't sue a priest because you're an animal. He

30:42

chased me across the pitch. You shouldn't

30:45

have been beating his player up. Jenny.

30:47

So earlier this year my family all

30:50

travelled down to London on my birthday

30:52

weekend no less but it wasn't to see me. It's

30:54

because Bolton Wanderers had made it

30:56

to the final of the big one, yes the Papa

30:59

John's trophy. Weeks of planning,

31:01

we spent a small fortune on tickets, I bought

31:03

them all dinner, bought loads of drinks, we

31:05

were having a great time, got to the stadium waving our

31:08

flags and then it emerged that

31:10

the two teams were being led out by their

31:12

supposed biggest celebrity fans.

31:16

Plymouth had Josh Widdicom, Bolton

31:19

had Vernon

31:20

Kaye.

31:23

As

31:24

one my family all turned to me

31:26

and started laying into me because

31:29

I could have done that. Why didn't they ask you, did they

31:31

not know that you're a season ticket holder? We could have got

31:33

free hospitality, these tickets could have been free. Did

31:35

they not know that you're a bond holder? Vernon

31:38

Kaye, Vernon Kaye doesn't even have a season ticket, how come

31:40

he's got the gig? Thankfully Wanderers shortly

31:43

thereafter started hammering in the goals so

31:46

they got distracted but I am still very

31:48

much a disappointment so I

31:50

should sue for emotional distress

31:53

and loss of dignity. I'm not going to sue the

31:55

Wanderers because as I've mentioned they owe me money

31:58

but I'm going to sue the aforementioned. father

32:00

of pizza and Vernon K himself. I

32:02

know he's a national hero now but he wasn't back

32:04

in April.

32:05

So come on Vernon.

32:08

I think actually the really

32:10

cutting part of that is that the Bolton Wanderers officials

32:13

did know that you're a fan and still

32:16

overlooked you. Shocking. Mark.

32:19

Well firstly I've seen Vernon K naked but we haven't got time

32:21

for that. We'll make time. I'm

32:24

also going to tell you it's funny how these childhood things really

32:27

rankle. Like Paul I'm going back to the late 80s me

32:30

and my brother used to play tennis on a rubbish

32:32

old concrete tennis court down

32:34

the road and you just have to show up

32:37

and hope you can get on and obviously if you were playing for a

32:39

while someone would pass you aggressively and an adult

32:41

would come in the loom and look at you. One day at

32:43

the start of the summer holidays my brother and I

32:45

turned up with a little racket eager to go and

32:48

this fella's there with his two daughters and

32:50

he said I've got it booked. We said okay well when

32:52

will you be off and he said I've got it booked for the

32:54

entire summer holiday. Obviously

32:58

we were kids so we just scuttled away disappointed

33:01

but looking back there is no way on hell

33:03

that man there was no mechanism by which you could

33:05

book him for the whole of July and all the time.

33:07

So if I ever get a time machine screw

33:09

the Roman Empire and all the other stuff you can do I'm going

33:12

back to 1989 and I'm having it out with that man

33:14

and my brother and I are playing five sets that very evening.

33:16

He cost you a career in tennis didn't he? Precisely who

33:18

knows the play I could have become. Exactly. Exactly.

33:21

Jake. I'm going back to 2010 Rick

33:24

the England versus Germany quarterfinal

33:27

England trailing 2-1 after 37 minutes

33:30

Frank Lampard he spots Manuel Nuer Nuer

33:33

off his line he shoots and he scores a wonderful goal

33:35

off the underside of the crossbar but unfortunately

33:38

it was disallowed. Now that

33:39

this now in my logic that

33:41

goal being disallowed sort of led to goal line

33:43

technology didn't they because there's such an uproar afterwards

33:46

so then they brought in goal line technology

33:48

and that sort of led us to VAR so basically

33:51

the referee if the referee had let that goal in

33:53

Rick we wouldn't have VAR

33:55

so Jorge Larrinonda is

33:58

his name and

33:58

I think We should lawyer up and sort

34:01

of sue him because he's the one who's responsible for this

34:03

VAR. Plus action. Yeah. Who's

34:06

with me? Ooh, I think I've got

34:08

to go with the

34:10

priest chase. Just because

34:13

it came from most vivid image. Of

34:16

this tiny little imposter Paul. And

34:20

actually Paul just muttering

34:22

quietly to himself. It actually

34:24

didn't cross the line during Jake's answer with all

34:26

his hair in his eyes. That is fucking taut. Yeah.

34:31

Okay. Circly of Woodward

34:33

reflected on this week's 20th anniversary

34:35

of England's dramatic 2003 World

34:38

Cup win in Sydney by saying, I'm not

34:40

sure how it would have turned out if Johnny Wilkinson

34:42

hadn't kicked that drop goal. It's kind of scary.

34:45

So who else's sporting careers were changed

34:47

by a single moment

34:50

Jenny?

34:50

So one single chip changed

34:53

the trajectory of Karol Poborski's career.

34:56

The Czech team were pretty much the dark horses

34:58

of Euro 96. Poborski wasn't exactly

35:00

a household name until one Sunday

35:03

evening in June at Villa Park when he lifted

35:05

the ball over the porch. Geese keepers headed into

35:07

the goal. One chip won the game and

35:10

as importantly made him one of the hottest transfer

35:12

prospects of the summer. He sealed

35:15

the deal for Sir Alex Ferguson

35:17

who signed Poborski for Man United. One chip.

35:20

Now if only some other players had stopped at

35:22

just one chip. It would be rich

35:25

of me to fat shame anybody. I'm not a professional

35:27

athlete though. So being a fatty doesn't really affect

35:29

my performance. But if say

35:31

Neil Ruddock had been able to stop at one chip his

35:33

playing career would have gone on quite a bit longer

35:36

and much more importantly we wouldn't have to

35:38

hear so much nowadays about his

35:40

weight loss journey.

35:42

He has done well though hasn't he? Jake.

35:45

I'm going Gareth Southgate, Riggs, Euro 96

35:48

that missed penalty. I was actually there for that game.

35:50

I was sat behind the goal and as Gareth

35:53

walked from the halfway line to the penalty

35:55

spot was just his body language. Just someone behind

35:58

me said who the hell is that?

35:59

He looked like a dead man. Did

36:02

he play for us? He looked like

36:04

a dead man walking. He

36:08

just knew, it's just a horrible feeling

36:10

as he was walking up. He just looked all

36:13

wrong, his body language was all wrong. Obviously

36:15

he scuffed it, terrible. And it's kind

36:17

of defined his whole career, isn't it, to date. Who

36:20

knows what would have happened after that. Terry Venables might

36:22

have stayed on as manager. He might have won

36:25

a World Cup in 1998. We

36:28

just don't know, do we?

36:29

And actually there's a good play on with a mate

36:32

of mine, Joe Fines, called Dear England. And

36:34

it's sort of about that really. It's

36:36

sort of Gareth's journey from that moment

36:38

to kind of be in the England manager. And sort

36:40

of how he changed the culture of English football

36:42

really, based on his experience of how he

36:45

felt he was supported or not supported after that

36:47

penalty miss. And yeah,

36:49

he felt very isolated afterwards and very alone.

36:52

And I think he sort of went on to change the

36:54

culture of the English team. And I

36:56

think we've seen that to this date. So,

36:58

you know, listen.

36:59

I think what I'm taking from that is you're saying that you're friends with

37:02

Joseph Fines. Yeah, that's what we're all interested

37:04

in. Yeah, Joe's a nice guy.

37:06

I did a play with him. He called you Joseph!

37:09

I know! But go and see. Honestly, he looks

37:11

like Gareth Southgate in his play. No, too

37:13

much plugging now. He's got

37:15

a false note. Oh, God. It's

37:18

all I say. Oh, OK. You get a point for the false

37:20

note. Mark.

37:24

I keep mentally worrying that I'm

37:26

about to mention Michael Owen, because I can't afford it, especially this

37:28

time of year. Well,

37:30

it's not a coincidence we all keep going for international tournaments,

37:33

because there's nothing quite like that for the sort of death or glory

37:35

moments. For me, David Platt versus

37:37

Belgium 1990. Platt didn't

37:39

even start the tournament in the first team. He

37:42

was a substitute. He was still a sub for that Belgium game.

37:45

People don't remember this. He came on in extra time, I think. And then

37:47

last minute, the flighted free kick from

37:49

Gasco, and you can still see it when you close your eyes. Almost

37:53

overnight, Platt then comes in, starts in the quarterfinal,

37:56

starts the semi. Within a year, he's playing Serie A. I

37:58

remember watching football attack. and there

38:00

was a clip of a barry fan, they

38:03

said, who do you think the best player in the world is? And he said, David

38:06

Platt. And like three years before

38:08

that, he'd been at Crui Alexandra. So in terms of one

38:10

goal resetting your life, I

38:12

think Platt is up there. Paul.

38:15

This is a moment that didn't just change

38:18

the career for this person, but I think for

38:20

the entire world.

38:22

A hotel room, New York City, May

38:24

the 11th, 1997.

38:27

This person was thought to be,

38:29

and still thought by many, to be the greatest player

38:32

of this particular sport in

38:34

history. In that moment, Gary

38:37

Kasparov lost to

38:40

Deep Blue. And in

38:42

that moment, everything changed. He

38:44

had previously beaten Deep Blue, beaten the year before

38:46

he beat him. He

38:49

beat AI the year before, AI

38:51

galloped, and beat him the following year.

38:53

And after that, Kasparov

38:55

went on for a while, but it always overshadowed

38:58

his career, and then it has taken over

39:00

the world. That is the moment everything changed.

39:02

You don't get many chess answers on this show.

39:05

I've never seen it before. And you enjoyed

39:07

it though, didn't you? In 18 years, I've never seen

39:09

a chess answer. Totally positive. Here we go.

39:14

Scores then. This

39:17

bed will be slightly too long. Jenny

39:20

has 17, Jake has 20, Mark

39:22

has 21, and

39:25

not entirely, but at least in part, just

39:27

that chess answer. Paul's streaking

39:30

ahead on 26. And

39:32

now...

39:37

Have you thought about saying the name is slightly

39:39

slow, I reckon? Oh, that's good, isn't it? But

39:42

with your names, it's tricky. Paul.

39:45

Yeah, that's what I'm right. Okay,

39:48

the next topic is about this.

39:50

Ciroz Bolster, Maxwell, who

39:52

plays it into the leg side. He's gone out towards deep back

39:55

with square legs. Attempted diving save. It's

39:57

gonna be unsuccessful,

39:58

because they're coming back for two.

39:59

Australia have

40:02

won the 2023 World Cup. They have silenced

40:05

the crowd here in Ahmedabad.

40:07

Mark. Australia,

40:13

this is too creepy, Australia silenced 130,000

40:15

fanatical Indian

40:18

cricket fans in Islamabad to lift their sixth

40:20

Cricket World Cup on Sunday. Who

40:23

are challenging the Aussies to the title

40:25

of Sports Greatest Party Poopers?

40:28

Jake. I'm going 28th of November 2015

40:31

Tyson Fury goes to Dusseldorf

40:34

and basically gives Klitschko a boxing lesson,

40:36

doesn't he? Klitschko was unbeaten for almost 10 years,

40:39

the second longest unbeaten run

40:41

in heavyweight history. They had sparred

40:43

previously, interestingly, and Emmanuel Stewart,

40:46

Klitschko's plainer, had said that Fury would be the next

40:49

dominant heavyweight champion and

40:51

in fact back in 2010, five years before

40:54

that fight, there'd been an incident where they both sat

40:56

in a sauna and were trying to out sauna

40:59

each other. I don't know if you've ever heard that, but they

41:01

sat in there apparently for 40 minutes. You should

41:03

have televised that. Fury

41:06

sat in there for 40 minutes waiting for Klitschko

41:08

to, and eventually Klitschko got

41:11

out and Fury was there and I think that was psychologically

41:13

the beating of him. He had the beating of him. There's normally

41:15

a thing on the wall saying no more than 15 minutes. Also

41:20

we've got a follow-up to the Jake and Pep

41:23

playing a lift. Mark, 1950

41:29

the Maracona Uruguay

41:31

beating Brazil to win the World Cup in

41:33

front of about 100,000 Brazilians.

41:37

Still reported to the greatest tragedy in Brazilian sport.

41:41

I've met Brazilians who weren't even born, who

41:43

still can't even think about that

41:45

day. I also once got to meet,

41:47

he's unfortunately no longer with us, but I met the guy

41:49

Gigio who scored for Uruguay and

41:51

he said they were almost sort of, they felt bad

41:53

about having won because of how upset

41:56

everyone was. He said we went back to our dressing room and

41:58

we sent him out for tea in the same way. That's after winning the

42:00

World Cup Final. And

42:03

then of course, 2014 Brazil host it again. Everyone's

42:05

banging on about Samba football and the party

42:08

and Brazil's moment. And then Germany disemboweled

42:10

them in the semi-final. Both of them. Nothing

42:13

against Brazil. But the more commentators

42:15

go on about it, the football party has begun. The

42:17

funnier it is to see something like that. Five more down

42:19

at half time. I don't think I'll ever forget that. I remember

42:21

Alan Hansen saying, this will go down in the Annals of History.

42:24

And my brother texted me saying, I didn't expect we'd be hearing about the

42:26

Annals from Alan Hansen today. Paul.

42:30

This is something that happened just

42:32

this year and could actually happen again tonight.

42:36

Chantelle Cameron

42:37

beat Katie Taylor. She arrived

42:40

in Dublin in May to take

42:42

on the pride of Ireland. It was supposed

42:45

that Katie Taylor would walk it in

42:47

the Old Point Depot in the banks of the Liffey. All

42:50

of Ireland expected, but no. The

42:53

quiet, the quiet punch from Northampton

42:55

came in and took her out. And it's

42:57

the meet again tonight. And it could happen

43:00

all over again. It's going to be the same result, Paul.

43:03

I think she's going to stop her.

43:05

I think she'll stop Katie. Really? Well, there we

43:07

go. Paul's twitching in there.

43:10

Jenny.

43:11

Well, thinking about it, there are different

43:13

kinds of party poopers. You can be an incidental

43:15

party pooper. You can rain on the fans parade

43:17

by beating the crowd favourite.

43:19

Like when Stuart Sink beat Tom Watson at the 2009

43:21

Open. Or when Delta Work

43:23

overhauled Tiger Roll in the final race. Delta Work got

43:26

booed.

43:26

Who boos a horse? They

43:29

don't even know what it means. You

43:33

can interrupt an otherwise triumphant moment

43:35

by simply being good at your job. Like when

43:37

Eric Holley bowled out

43:38

Don Bradman for a duck in his final innings. Or

43:41

the reverse by not being good at your job, Clive

43:43

Thomas. But the most egregious

43:46

and seemingly the Aussie favourite is being the deliberate

43:49

thief of joy. Potential joy even. The true

43:51

party pooper. So the

43:53

Aussies of 1981's one day series

43:55

against New Zealand, in particular those chapel brothers.

43:58

They're thrilling into the mattress.

43:59

in prospect it came down to the last ball. New

44:02

Zealand

44:02

snatched victory if only Brian McKinney

44:05

could whack the delivery for six. It was

44:07

a big ask, a long shot. The brothers conferred

44:09

and decided to rule out the tiny possibility

44:12

of the ball being lofted over the ropes so Trevor Chapel

44:14

bowled underarm with nothing

44:16

for McKinney to get hold of.

44:17

Game over, miserable.

44:19

Also

44:21

now what I want to do is get to a field, find

44:24

a horse and pull it. Just sort

44:26

of think about that. Good fun isn't it? You

44:28

times your own for the rest of the day Richard. Right,

44:32

mild double act partner, comedian

44:35

Joe Wilkinson, true story, has a new

44:37

BBC Sounds podcast out where he sees if he can

44:39

become friends with the footballer Patrick Bamford.

44:42

So good luck with that Joe, but mainly

44:44

good luck Patrick. Which, most podcasts

44:47

I did out there. Yeah, it feels

44:49

like it's coming out of the Tom Bowler. Which

44:51

footballer would you least like to

44:54

be mates with? Paul.

44:56

Paul and.

44:57

He is. Don't

45:00

necessarily need to say anymore actually Paul. He

45:03

is everything. Therefore when you're out with

45:05

him you would be just shadowed both

45:08

physically, literally and because everyone you're so

45:10

great and you're so lovely as well and look at your hair

45:12

and aren't you the greatest footballer that the Premier League has

45:14

ever seen. I could not stand it.

45:17

Yeah, unbearable. Jenny. Roy

45:19

Keane.

45:20

Yeah, can you imagine the moaning

45:23

you'd get criticised for everything. This pub

45:25

just doesn't cut

45:25

it for me Jenny. You lasagna

45:27

is nothing to be proud of Jenny. Do

45:30

the accent Jenny. No. If

45:33

you want to get a point you could have to do the accent. You

45:37

wouldn't get away with driving me to the football in a box

45:40

all course in my day Jenny.

45:41

You need to take a long hard look at yourself.

45:43

Your own safety trip for

45:45

the Test match this year has been woefully and transparent

45:48

and I think the rest of the gang are losing faith

45:50

in you Jenny and besides. Oh right, we get the idea

45:52

Jenny. You don't get the idea. We get the idea. Yeah.

45:55

Jake, you've got your point. Jake. Yeah, Paul Pogba. I

45:58

just feel like it would be a really unreliable match. I

46:01

just thought he wouldn't

46:03

reply to his text. It'd

46:05

always be late wouldn't he? I just don't

46:07

think it would be much fun. I think

46:10

he might be a bit of fun when he did turn up, Mark. Well,

46:15

Messi, for partly similar

46:17

reasons to the Highland thing, everyone would be swarming

46:19

around him all the time, but also I don't think we'd even communicate

46:21

that well. His English is patchy, my

46:24

Spanish is not great, so he'd always know even where to go. But

46:26

has Messi ever done a 24 hour show, Mark? I mean,

46:28

come on. No, because he just doesn't want it

46:30

enough for it. And

46:33

on top of all this, Messi's even famous in places like

46:35

the States now, so you would never be able to get. He

46:38

also doesn't... Harland at least looks like he'd go out on the lash. Messi

46:40

seems like he'd be like two drinks and then it's sort of, oh,

46:42

is that the time? It's getting in the morning. OK,

46:47

we've just about got time for any other business. Jake,

46:50

anything you want to get off your chest? Damien Hurst,

46:52

he's brought out about 2,000 paintings

46:55

and basically splodges. They're

46:58

like 25 grand each. He's a hobby. Yeah, he's

47:00

a hobby, yeah. 25 grand each. You

47:02

do the maths, Rick. It's a lot of money, yeah, for... It's

47:05

probably not a lot of work, so yeah, I mean, it's a

47:07

good old scam, innit, the art trade. I

47:11

think you might have a career in art review, actually. I

47:14

mean, it's basically splodges, I don't know what to tell you. Jenny?

47:17

As reluctant as I am to drop the seabomb,

47:21

we are only a month out from Christmas. This

47:23

weekend I'm off to Pantoland.

47:26

I start rehearsals on Monday. No,

47:27

you don't. Oh, yes, I do. I'm

47:31

not engaging with it. It's a privilege to

47:33

be part of people's

47:34

safety fun, but it can

47:36

be a bit of a downer because people ask what your plans are

47:38

for Christmas and you go, well, I get four days

47:40

off next month, so I will

47:43

be sleeping through Christmas Day. So

47:45

I want to give a big shout out to anyone who's working

47:47

over Christmas, people who are responsible for

47:50

feeding, for keeping us well-watered

47:53

over Christmas, people who are entertaining us, just

47:56

especially the

47:58

bartenders. You have to cope with those parties.

47:59

part-time drink as they do not know how to operate

48:02

a bar. Give that bartender a tip

48:05

because at the end of the shift they are the ones who will

48:07

need it most. Just be nice to your Christmas

48:09

workers everyone.

48:10

Yep there we go. Paul. Faraj

48:15

in the jungle. This

48:18

guy has been paid, we're told, 1.5

48:20

million. But he's been paid that presumably

48:25

so that people will ask him difficult

48:27

questions and make some interesting TV. So

48:30

far the only people who have challenged

48:32

him and anything are a guy who welcomes folks

48:34

in for a first date and then a woman

48:38

who is great but she is a youtuber

48:40

who maybe she's known to an awful lot of people.

48:42

I'd never heard of her but at least she stood up and did it. The

48:45

rest of them, mute. You're

48:47

in, you can, you should get up every morning.

48:49

Noise them up. What do

48:51

you mean? What do you mean? Why did you say that? Why did you say

48:53

that? None of them are doing that. Wake him up. Noise

48:55

him up. Noise him up. Nigel.

48:58

Nigel. Mark. Well yeah back

49:01

to Jenny's Christmas theme. This is the

49:03

worst time of year for companies sending

49:05

you emails as if they are your friends. We haven't

49:07

seen you for a while Mark. What have we done

49:09

wrong? We miss you. I get almost

49:12

weekly email from Donnell Mill. Mark

49:14

when are you coming back? Mark we miss you. And

49:17

this will be bad enough but I swear to God I've never

49:19

once in my life been in a Donnell Mill. Somehow

49:21

they've not only got my email but convinced themselves that we're lifelong

49:24

buddies and I'm just I'm freezing them out.

49:26

Fine, spam me. I know it's the Christmas season

49:29

but let's not pretend we're mates here. Poor

49:31

old Donnell. I'm not against

49:33

going there. Donnell we're listening.

49:35

Final scores then. Jenny in 26, we're still off Jenny.

49:37

Jake 28, we're

49:43

still off Jake. Mark on 30,

49:46

Paul on 36, streets

49:48

ahead. Which means

49:51

Mark and Paul go head-to-head

49:53

in DCI that stands for defending indefensible.

49:55

The ridiculous statement you have to answer

49:58

doesn't matter how much it hurts. Say I, I

50:00

mean you. Paul, you

50:03

scored the most points, so you go first. You

50:05

have 20 seconds on. I hope Katie

50:07

Taylor loses tonight in Dublin as I can't

50:10

stand her. I think it is

50:12

about time that Carrie Taylor, once

50:14

and for all, hung up the club. She

50:16

has been trading on being Ireland's sweetheart

50:19

for far too long. Going into

50:21

the ring with the whole of the nation behind her, the

50:23

whole of the nation are no longer behind her and Carrie,

50:26

this is the time to let somebody else have

50:28

a chance. We have been, we have been saluting

50:30

you for long enough and the time has come

50:32

to throw the gloves on the left eye. Very,

50:34

very convincing indeed. I mean,

50:37

good luck here, Mark. Yeah.

50:39

Right, there is nothing I enjoy

50:41

more in sport than watching Australia

50:44

win a cricket world cup. It's

50:47

absolutely lovely to get the Aussies

50:49

some glory. They're noted for their sportsmanship,

50:52

they have

50:52

terrible weather, they are Australians

50:54

are wonderful people, it's

50:56

absolutely not annoying when they abbreviate every sodding

50:59

word because they can't be asked to say the whole of something.

51:02

They've been starved of sporting glory and

51:04

there was nothing as sweet for them to see them win their

51:06

28th cricket world cup at the expense of a country like India

51:08

who really, really wanted it. Oh,

51:11

I don't know, we've had some shocking

51:14

defending the principles on this show recently.

51:16

That's two very solid ones. I think

51:19

just because there was such passion

51:21

in Paul's eyes, I'm going

51:24

to give it to Paul. And partly because

51:26

he felt Rob last time, he probably was.

51:28

He didn't have a sit for betraying his country world. Yeah, I love

51:30

the yellow flag now. That's

51:33

it then for this week. I enjoyed it and

51:35

that is in the end half the battle, isn't it? Thank

51:37

you to Mark, Paul, Jenny and Jake.

51:40

Fighting Talk is a world's end production for BBC

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Sport. You're listening to the podcast

51:49

extra of Fighting Talk. Before

51:51

we do a question that we didn't have time for,

51:55

Mark, you saw Vernon

51:57

Kay naked. I

52:00

think this probably does come under

52:03

podcast only doesn't it? I

52:05

did one of these sport

52:08

relief things where I put it in inverted

52:10

comments celebrities do try

52:12

to handle sport it was rowing a celebrity boat race

52:15

yeah Vernon Kay was as you can imagine

52:17

with his reach and accomplished rower but afterwards

52:20

we were all sort of hot and sweaty in these horrible

52:23

kind of lycra things they were one-piece rowing

52:25

suits and then people sort of going

52:27

in and out of the showers Vernon is one of these

52:29

confident guys that just stripped it all off

52:31

and wandered through the changing rooms like that as

52:33

you can well imagine I blurted my eyes but I'd

52:36

already seen what I was going to say what I came

52:38

there for it's

52:40

the charity surely he's

52:43

a very nice man as well that sort of beats my Joe

52:45

Fines name drop didn't it really who? well

52:48

hang on have you seen Joe Fines naked or not? I'm

52:50

trying to think no

52:52

it was always time alright this

52:54

that we didn't ask it

52:57

was Black Friday so who

52:59

or what is the greatest bargain

53:01

in sport so not necessarily a player

53:04

but you know cheap ticket or something like that

53:06

Jenny well

53:08

it's the cost of living crisis so we've all got

53:10

to be canny consumers so I think

53:14

the wise thing to do now you need

53:16

to check before you leave the house do you eat at

53:18

the stadium or do you

53:20

eat at home you thankfully

53:22

there is an account called footy scram

53:25

and they will tell you

53:27

exactly where the bargains and what

53:29

to avoid so you you want to go to

53:31

the mighty Bolton Wanderers to the Fanzone pre-match

53:34

you can get a

53:35

Vernon K's Bolton Wanderers he

53:38

serves you naked

53:42

I hope not the chicken is for the turkey fries

53:45

you can get them for six quid and they sell out

53:47

every time from

53:49

Sushma snacks it also provides the motors that

53:53

they've been rated very highly recently but

53:55

don't get the four pound fifty cheeseburger

53:58

at Crewe Alexandra right I'm

53:59

writing all this down

53:59

It looks like it's been cooked by

54:02

putting in extra radiators.

54:03

OK.

54:04

But the thing I want

54:06

to know, and if there's anybody from Stockport County

54:09

catering listening, please write in.

54:12

I want to know if they're doing the Christmas dinner or a cup again this

54:14

year.

54:14

Mm. That sounds good. Sprout

54:16

in there. And then

54:18

they'll start swimming in gravy. Yeah,

54:20

yeah. Lovely idea. Well, they should do

54:22

Yorkshire pie burrito. Oh,

54:24

that would be good. Yorkshire pudding burrito. Yeah, those

54:26

are grampened. Yeah. Oh, they're

54:28

good.

54:29

Yeah, but the charge of fortune at this place is I

54:31

want

54:31

another price. That's true.

54:33

Paul, bargains, please. I

54:35

was just thinking about Footy Scrant, the the

54:39

account. And the problem with it is all

54:41

the really great stuff is in Mexico

54:43

or Japan. And I don't think I can think,

54:45

oh, that looks. And then you do a rough translation.

54:48

Of course, you think, oh, it's not bad. And it's

54:50

always frustrating. That's neither

54:53

here nor there. I think the big one of

54:55

the biggest bargains because of what

54:58

it led on to is Eric Cantma

55:00

a million to unite it. But

55:02

it's not just because what it meant for United.

55:04

You could make an argument that him going to unite

55:07

it really kick started the success of the Premier

55:09

League and the idea of that of

55:11

a football brand going around the world and

55:13

selling the rights and all that kind of thing. All

55:15

for one million, which seems like a very small

55:17

investment for what came after.

55:20

Yeah, yeah, I think that's that. Do I give up

55:22

points during the podcast extra? I mean,

55:24

I will. I will. Too late, but I'll give you

55:26

one anyway. Mark, I

55:29

picked up an old rugby

55:32

program recently from a box, which

55:34

must be my dad's and too

55:36

many mentions of rugby. A

55:39

ticket flutter and he went to an international

55:41

in the 70s for one pound. And

55:44

I don't understand the inflation and stuff, but I still

55:46

feel like that that must have been that represents good value.

55:48

It's decent. Yeah. An afternoon out for a

55:50

quick goodness knows what the Scram cost at that stage. But

55:53

he would have come back. It's a classic. You still have

55:55

money left over from a tenant to

55:57

buy a house on the way home. Jake.

56:03

The greatest bargain in sport rig has got to be when

56:05

my mate could get into the

56:08

old... Go find a different one. He

56:10

thought he was not a mate. Yeah, he could get into the old

56:12

Highbury without paying. And

56:15

he did this all of his life, obviously, until they

56:18

moved to the Emirates. And to this day, he's never told

56:20

anyone how he did it, because he didn't want anyone to

56:24

copy him, because he thought if he told people they would start

56:26

doing what he did. But he was there every game. He never paid for a

56:28

ticket in however long they were at Highbury. He

56:30

must have some ideas. I've no idea. I've no

56:32

idea, honestly. He's not told anyone. He

56:35

hasn't seen us as a steward or something?

56:37

I don't know what he did. I don't

56:40

know what he did. But he got his... Was he

56:42

a player? Yeah. No, he didn't play.

56:44

No. Didn't he great escape it? He

56:46

could go away confidently. If he's listening, let us know. If

56:49

I find out, I'll let you know. I mean,

56:51

best case scenario, I suppose, is he's tunneling in. I

56:54

don't know how he's done it over many years. He

56:56

hasn't told anyone. I think he'll take that

56:58

secret with him to the grave. But yeah,

57:01

to this day, it doesn't fail, but it's

57:03

been pressing me. Also, funny to think that

57:05

he's still doing it and just ends up in someone's flat.

57:08

Yeah, the gardens. That's

57:10

made you move him quite hard. Yeah.

57:14

Yeah. Okay,

57:16

let's all go and boo a horse. We'll

57:19

do. Lovely stuff. Nice one, mate.

57:22

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