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posters on your bedroom wall.
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But a record number of children have no place to call
1:35
home. 142,000
1:39
kids in England, are homeless
1:41
but hidden, stuck in temporary
1:43
accommodation, consigned to B&Bs
1:45
and hotels, former office blocks
1:47
and even shipping containers. For
1:51
this episode of Far Long Four, I
1:53
followed the temporary housing process And
1:56
seen first hand how a system
1:58
designed to be a short term
2:00
safety program. it's become a trap
2:02
many children can't escape. When
2:10
Liverpool which. Finds itself at the
2:13
sharp end of the affordable housing
2:15
crisis is mortgages have become more
2:17
expensive, Landlords have been selling up
2:19
and telling tenants to go. Over
2:24
some this comes to put let
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the weapons. From
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Clinton's last night. To
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free people. Because
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you around the rest. On
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that question asked of the last nine
2:50
months have been a fight for survival
2:52
for twelve yards just a section. Twenty
2:54
One Nice is sometimes referred to as
2:56
a no vote. Is it Since with
2:59
the start of a nightmare for his
3:01
mom and dad, Maxine on car. They.
3:03
Try to find somewhere else that
3:06
rents the sky high. They realized
3:08
with horror they couldn't afford any
3:10
way. Came. In from
3:12
skills and. A
3:14
cool to the moon does
3:16
she said. For
3:19
me and house. To
3:23
the risk was also misses
3:25
him some. Very specific
3:27
social. Status
3:30
as young as because only going
3:32
out with of friends and stuff
3:34
from the. Over still has been. We
3:36
acevedo mah yeah she's gone. We have
3:38
to say we were gonna bust. Well
3:42
as sex. But anyway, the family had to
3:44
give many away that their furniture and storage
3:46
and go to the council for help. It.
3:49
Agreed they were eligible for temporary
3:51
accommodation. It. Sent them to a
3:53
hotel. Where. They were shown to
3:55
one room with two beds. A
3:58
tele. and the kettle It
4:00
was just tiny, horrible.
4:04
It wasn't very, like, suitable
4:06
for life. Children,
4:08
or you could basically just watch
4:11
TV or go to sleep. It's
4:14
just misery. Jack felt like
4:16
he'd woken up in one of his video games.
4:19
He was trapped in one room, and
4:21
his mission was to find a way to escape.
4:24
It was just like a game, trying to get past the level, to
4:26
be honest, and it
4:28
was just day after day after day just struggle,
4:30
what you go through stuff. From
4:33
there it was just all scary and
4:36
sad. Jack is a livewire.
4:38
He's not designed to live in one
4:40
room. He was climbing the walls. His
4:43
mum was stressed to the eyeballs, and
4:46
then she was diagnosed with throat cancer. Just
4:49
thinking about those four long months makes
4:51
her emotional. People need to be aware,
4:53
right? It really does take its toll
4:55
on your mental health. I
4:57
mean, I'm a very strong person, but it
4:59
really, really does take its toll on you, being
5:03
homeless with children. Jack's
5:05
family is just one of hundreds
5:07
for homeless in Liverpool. The
5:09
City Council has declared a
5:11
housing emergency. It's projected to
5:13
spend £19 million on
5:16
temporary accommodation this year, much
5:18
of it on hotels. How
5:22
highly is it? And then if you
5:24
go right up here. Up
5:27
here? Yep. Councillor
5:29
Sarah Doyle is the cabinet member for housing.
5:32
She says that everywhere she goes, it's
5:34
the same story. It
5:36
really does feel like it's becoming the norm,
5:38
and it's something that schools are saying to
5:40
me is often discussed in playgrounds now, which
5:43
really is quite a horrible thought to think about, isn't it?
5:46
How many families do you think you
5:48
have in hotels today, Liverpool? So
5:50
I think the last time we checked, there's 253 families in
5:52
hotels, bed
5:56
and breakfast, soft placements, but we
5:58
do envisage that for me. If
6:01
a family goes into a hotel tonight
6:04
and they're going to expect to be
6:07
there weeks or months or years, I
6:10
would say that they're looking to be there definitely
6:12
months, if not going into
6:14
one or two years. Currently
6:16
there's over 14,000 applicants
6:20
on our social housing register
6:22
and there's about a turnover, about just over
6:24
1,000 properties a year. We
6:27
have people, unfortunately, who are on
6:29
property pole for many, many years,
6:31
trying to access a home that
6:33
is suitable for them, that they can
6:35
afford. Do you feel the pressure?
6:39
Yeah, it really is a difficult
6:41
situation and that's really
6:44
emotionally distressing. Because you
6:46
meet people in what is the most
6:48
vulnerable and difficult times of their lives.
6:51
Jack and his mum and dad were in the hotel
6:53
room for four months until rescue came.
6:55
A flat at the Belvedere
6:58
Family Centre is funded
7:00
by Liverpool City Council and
7:02
can offer families dedicated, self-contained
7:04
temporary accommodation. There's a
7:06
team here which offers families support.
7:09
Sue Donald is the children's worker. You
7:11
think about a child as uprooted from not only
7:13
its home and its stability, but also
7:16
it can be things like the family,
7:18
community, friends, school. So, yeah, the loss
7:20
of a child is massive. It's absolutely
7:22
massive, yeah, and it can only
7:24
be traumatic. The centre is
7:27
a former convent with high ceilings and
7:29
big windows. The family
7:31
room looks out over the garden. One
7:33
of the big things that we do is we really want
7:35
to encourage reading and books and things. So
7:37
we have them scattered around the place and we actively
7:40
encourage the children to take them. So out there I
7:42
can see a playground. Is that yours or is that
7:44
the school's next door? No, no, that's ours. That's all
7:46
our space. The
7:48
huge store is containers full of bikes. Looking
7:51
round, Sue says children are often coming
7:53
straight from cramped hotels and B&Bs and
7:56
it can take them a while to adjust. Some
7:59
Children can come in. the be very very
8:01
were torn on you could sail universes you
8:04
know they pleasant child and in a city
8:06
funny apply to tell but the reality is
8:08
if the way they deal with they experienced
8:10
trauma and then you get older children are
8:13
very hyperactive very engaging with the stuff and
8:15
everything. good bitches. Same thing we do drama
8:17
music so it's a creative way of expressing
8:20
yourself. The not gonna make a perfect but
8:22
we wanted to make this the best possible.
8:24
Experience. It's. The only
8:26
set up like it's in Liverpool. To
8:29
sixteen families, it is a
8:31
real lifesaver. But. There are
8:33
hundreds of homeless children in the city. We
8:36
could probably felt this place over and over
8:38
and over again. Poodle we think about as
8:40
well as those children the be obese and
8:42
within a very low key position that we
8:44
can make a difference here. Yes this is
8:47
just lift to me as a financial sense
8:49
of health that we can offer. When.
8:51
Jack arrived here. He felt like he
8:53
could finally breathe again. I. Was
8:56
just felt good. Christian to stop getting
8:58
emails all a the me and I'm
9:00
on the Steelers and just live normally
9:02
would like to than normal. Nice. For
9:05
her. Part of those of other stress
9:07
is just a good place to stay
9:10
even know what are your own food?
9:12
It's just it's just a cool place
9:14
laden. Just sit down and make yourself
9:16
feel safe. See. His mum
9:18
after the hotel room having two
9:20
bedrooms, sofa and a kitchen felt
9:22
like salvation. Answer is either ruff
9:24
from thought it was like the
9:26
We Have Been Lifted off my
9:28
shows. Some caught. Up with some mythical
9:30
about me. Last says if. It's
9:33
a simple everyday tasks animals supposed
9:35
to do was just like flop
9:37
on few. Leads
9:40
them to say seems as. Though
9:43
both. This
9:46
is. It will. Absorb.
9:50
Some they're pushing a. Jack
9:56
in his family feel lucky to have
9:58
a doorbell and sadly they are. compared
10:00
to the four and a half
10:02
thousand families in B&B style accommodation.
10:05
The number has tripled in the
10:07
last three years. Liverpool
10:09
City Council wants to get children
10:11
out of hotels so it's planning
10:13
to start leasing properties from private
10:15
landlords. That's something that
10:17
councils in London already do and
10:19
they're spending a mind-blowing 90 million
10:23
pounds a month on temporary
10:25
accommodation. There are 85,000 homeless children
10:29
in the capital. I'm
10:31
going to visit three sisters who are
10:33
living in a hotel in Ilford in
10:35
East London. So
10:38
you share a birthday? Yes. Wow! She was
10:40
born at 12 o'clock, same as me. All
10:45
right, well tell me how old you all are then? I am
10:48
10. Yes. How
10:50
old are you? I'm 8. Right. Okay,
10:54
do you all get on or do you fight? What
10:57
do the boys fight? Alia, Jamila and
10:59
Leanne all have long dark hair and
11:01
brown eyes. It looks like they've got
11:03
their party outfits on. They're all pink
11:05
and sparkles. The families from
11:07
Kuwait, they were granted asylum after
11:10
the home office agreed they had a
11:12
well-founded fear of persecution in their home
11:14
country and it wasn't safe for them
11:16
to go back. As
11:18
the government clears the asylum backlog, thousands
11:20
of families are being asked to leave
11:23
home office accommodation and sent in the
11:25
direction of councils. Redbridge Council
11:27
has put the family here. There
11:30
can be a lot of stigma around homelessness
11:32
and with the children in mind we've changed
11:34
the girls names. We've done the
11:36
same for some of the other families we'll meet in the
11:38
programme. So my boys
11:40
just keep here and I sleep here and
11:42
my mum keeps in bed. Your mum keeps
11:45
on the floor? Mum! Because
11:48
there's no space for her. Right.
11:51
So how many people in this room? Four.
11:54
All The Girls. Right. And Dad's in on his
11:56
own. Yeah
12:01
we fought his knee is know a
12:03
guy yeah mama, some other Vietnam and.
12:06
And more this season with my dad
12:08
because pursue a young to as you
12:10
have to keep an eye on. Yeah
12:12
yeah it it a double bed the
12:15
two youngest skill share and a single
12:17
a pushed up against each other. The
12:19
replays everywhere in laundry baskets on the
12:21
floor, hung on an era in the
12:23
bathroom. The. Desk is piled high
12:25
with packets of rice and serial bread
12:28
and milk. Would. You do about
12:30
making meals. There. Is Kitchen now
12:32
an employee of Silver that that's a
12:34
shared kitchen Css or set to run
12:37
every time he says he, I love
12:39
to have all of that like this.
12:41
I suppose they'll cook. Atolls.
12:44
You've got a lot of things
12:46
packed into this room and you
12:48
haven't got much space. How do
12:51
you feel about it's? not that
12:53
not at all like a physically
12:55
such cost. Like they don't have
12:58
to play on top of our
13:00
employees. Something. Else to base
13:02
a glitch in know or trust
13:05
reality. T V and my bad
13:07
my school. Oil
13:10
lamp says kind of the day fall
13:12
by. Psychologists. Say
13:14
a child losing it's home and
13:16
belongings would be classed as a
13:19
trauma. It would have a similar
13:21
impact on the brain. To bereavement
13:23
says doctor said oh you have
13:25
to show has a house or
13:27
more time was you can have
13:29
more panic attacks so we showed
13:32
her once he just thought I'd
13:34
klein and key any she's a
13:36
killer is my ski talks like
13:38
that. Same rules my toys and
13:40
raise. My others. There's
13:43
no room for kids to just
13:45
be kids here to play that
13:47
plagued. By bed bugs and cockroaches
13:49
and they're not be only nasty
13:52
visitors. Sind die. Out
13:56
not support so I'll
13:58
freely like that. A
14:00
little bit. Yeah, like that. Because
14:03
our room was so far, we
14:05
were sweaty. Then
14:08
like at three
14:10
and a half at night, someone
14:13
came and stole my laptop.
14:17
What did you think about that? Horrible.
14:20
The girls' older brothers are at secondary
14:22
school. There's no internet at
14:24
the hotel, so they have to find
14:26
other places to study. They've all been
14:29
here six months and all their schoolwork
14:31
is suffering. When they were
14:33
in the house, their exams had been way good
14:35
and stuff, but now
14:37
in here they're getting low and low and
14:39
low, just like me. Like,
14:41
bad grades we're getting. Yeah, it's very bad
14:43
for this one, this one is exam. All
14:45
the two go there. No
14:48
space to think on their own. There
14:50
was no space to think and it's
14:52
like giving us headache where we do.
14:54
But if we go to the lobby,
14:57
there are people playing around and shouting,
14:59
so we can't go there, so we
15:01
don't know where to do it. I
15:04
don't like hotel. No?
15:07
No, because there's lots of crazy
15:09
people. Not before, all the time,
15:11
she shouted at me for no
15:14
reason. And she's
15:16
the right to my mum and my
15:18
dad and my siblings.
15:22
This is obviously no place for children.
15:25
The government's legal guidance
15:27
says councils must only put families in
15:30
B&B-style accommodation as a last resort, and then only
15:32
for a maximum of six weeks. That's
15:36
how the system should work on paper.
15:39
In reality, 200 families in England have been stuck
15:42
in this type of place for
15:44
over a year and some for
15:46
more than five years. It seems
15:49
the temporary accommodation process is grinding to
15:52
a halt at the first stage. Red
15:55
Bridge Council told us it has no choice
15:57
but to put families in hotels in B&B-style.
16:00
It is building 600 affordable
16:03
homes, but at the moment the
16:05
social housing list is long. The
16:07
average weight for a three bedroom home
16:09
in the borough is 16 years. If
16:15
the council can get you out of a hotel,
16:18
the next rung up the temporary housing
16:20
ladder should be something a bit more
16:22
like a home. In
16:24
West London, Ealing Council, faced
16:26
with increasing demand, joined forces
16:28
with a private developer to
16:30
come up with what it
16:32
hailed as an ingenious solution.
16:35
Come on, let's go to school now. Okay,
16:37
let's go. Be
16:39
careful on the surface. Don't
16:41
touch it, it's sharp. Are
16:44
you excited for school?
16:46
Yes. Right, I'm
16:49
going to put you in a fish, okay? We're
16:51
in Acton, in West London, with Mel. She's
16:54
recording snippets of her life on her phone.
16:59
Let's go and get the bus. Yay! Mommy!
17:03
Come and go. Get
17:07
the bigger bus. The double
17:09
decker bus. Yes. If
17:12
it comes, we'll get the double decker bus. Yay! I'm
17:17
a single mother of three children. I
17:19
have twin girls who are two,
17:22
and I've got a son who is four years old. My
17:26
kids are going to be three and five children.
17:29
Mel had a seven-month wait for
17:31
temporary housing, but was delighted when
17:33
Ealing Council said it had somewhere
17:35
suitable for her and her children.
17:38
Initially, they said to me that it was a two-bedroom
17:40
flat, but when I came here, it was
17:43
a tin container. I
17:45
thought it was a joke. I
17:47
looked around and I just saw
17:50
peeling paint and just
17:52
tin containers, and I said, this cannot be
17:54
the place. Modular
18:00
homes, as Ealing Council prefers to
18:02
call them. There's a high
18:04
perimeter fence, the window in one
18:06
of the containers is hanging off and looks like
18:09
it could drop at any moment. The
18:11
rent for Mel's two bed container
18:14
is £1,480 a month. Metal
18:18
boxes, which Mel says are boiling in
18:20
the summer and cold and damp in
18:22
the winter. Do
18:24
you like living in the containers? Why
18:31
don't you like it? It's
18:35
smelly. Mel
18:40
puts on a brave face for her children
18:42
but the reality of living like this wears
18:44
her down. Kids,
18:47
there's no water in
18:49
the shower at all so I
18:51
can't give you a shower this morning. I'm gonna have to talk and
18:53
tell you. And we
18:56
don't have any heating. There's something wrong with
18:59
the circuit or I
19:01
don't know something. But
19:03
Mum we
19:05
can't get you ready for school. Mel's
19:09
battling an infestation of biscuit beetles
19:11
in the kitchen. Every
19:13
minute I'm cleaning because
19:16
I have my children and the fans
19:18
as well where they're seeing it crawling and they're even
19:20
playing with them. When I see one I hover
19:22
it up. It's not normal for kids to
19:24
be playing with pests in their home
19:27
and then think it's normal. It's
19:29
disgusting. Beetles have invaded
19:31
Mel's container. Drug
19:33
dealers, addicts and prostitutes have
19:36
overrun the 60 home development.
19:38
There's a picture of bullets so
19:40
somebody found bullets underneath
19:43
the stairs. Mel started collecting
19:46
photographic evidence and putting it
19:48
on social media. Here we've got
19:50
a condom. A used condom.
19:52
One of many that you find in Meef
19:54
court. Yeah, they're different
19:57
let me see. And then look you've got
19:59
a Drug users
20:01
leaving outside a summer's container so
20:03
the person opens up their door and
20:05
that's what they were greeted with in the morning. That's
20:09
very, very scary. After all
20:11
Mel's publicity recently, the council employed security
20:13
guards so things are a bit better
20:15
now. She takes us to
20:17
see the resident's laundry room. The
20:21
drug dealers and drug users use it for
20:23
their home. They have sex, they
20:26
sleep here, they eat in here, they charge
20:28
their phones. They
20:30
were literally their homes. And
20:32
if we come in here, we're literally being told
20:34
to leave by force. In
20:38
the washing machines, they poo in there and
20:41
then they fold over your clean washing to
20:44
conceal it. So when you go upstairs and
20:46
you open up your washing, there's poo on
20:48
your washing. I'm not joking. Another
20:51
mum we met on the estate
20:53
said, Addicts steal anything. Her one
20:55
nice coat nicked from the washing
20:57
machine. Her children's bikes were taken.
21:00
Mel's had her bag stolen twice and
21:02
even her mail's been taken. She
21:05
says there's been an attempted rape
21:07
and attempted suicide and a
21:09
woman's fair law was pushed from one of the
21:11
windows and was found collapsed on the ground. Mel
21:14
says she's on high alert every time she steps
21:16
out the door. I feel like
21:19
I'm literally just in survival mode every single
21:21
day. It feels like you're
21:23
on a Netflix movie, like
21:26
sort of dystopian type
21:29
movie. Mel's been here
21:31
for two years. She's had
21:33
to go on antidepressants and
21:35
she's terrified about the impact it's
21:37
all having on her children, especially
21:39
her son. My child
21:42
has definitely changed in his behaviour
21:45
since he's moved here. It's
21:47
very, very sad to see and it's not nice when
21:50
as a mother, you've got a four-year-old child
21:52
that's asking you about police and
21:54
he's asking you about needles and why
21:57
is the lady in the bin? I
22:01
heard knickers down. There was a police
22:03
raid on the floor beneath
22:06
me and they were
22:08
actually terrified because they heard all of
22:10
the screaming, the shouting, the knocking, the banging,
22:12
everything. And then seeing like police
22:15
found outside flashing lights. For kids
22:17
it's scary. Rachel
22:19
De Sousa is the children's commissioner
22:21
for England. She says
22:24
children in temporary accommodation are paying
22:26
the price for a broken system.
22:29
It's one of the most serious issues
22:31
for children of our age. It's just
22:33
not good enough. It's really important
22:35
that we're talking about it today. There are some
22:37
schools I go to where half
22:39
of the children are pretty much
22:42
in temporary accommodation or homeless. Small
22:45
actions are not going to solve
22:47
this. We need investment, we need
22:49
action, we need regulation and we
22:51
need a commitment to listen to
22:53
and hear children's voices and children's
22:55
experiences. Ealing
22:59
Council is decommissioning the shipping containers
23:01
and has arranged for Mel to
23:03
move to another temporary home, a
23:05
second floor flat in another part
23:07
of town. Because
23:09
privately rented temporary accommodation has shot
23:11
up in price and the
23:14
local housing allowance has been frozen
23:16
by the government, the council says
23:18
it's increasingly having to rely on
23:20
hotels and B&Bs for those who
23:22
need emergency accommodation. In
23:24
Ealing, if you want a house made of
23:27
bricks, you might have to share it
23:30
and you might have to share a bed too.
23:40
It's fanatic and
23:42
it's just everything in one room. One
23:44
room where I have to study, eat,
23:47
sleep, sharing with my mum and
23:49
sister. I use a single bed and my mum
23:52
and sister share the double bed. I'm
23:54
in a cramped room at the
23:56
top of a privately rented shared
23:58
house with 16-year-old Rakhaya and her
24:00
younger sister Numa and their mum Nura.
24:03
There's no room for a table or chairs, just
24:06
a microwave on top of a washing
24:08
machine. In places you can't even stand
24:11
up without banging your head on the
24:13
sloping ceiling. Rakhaya wants
24:15
to study hard, she wants to be
24:17
a lawyer, but she can't get any
24:19
headspace here. It's kind of
24:21
overwhelming because I know I'm going to be
24:24
stressing in a year's time with exams and
24:27
the thought that I've already been here for over a year will
24:29
I be here for another. It's also
24:31
daunting. Nura gets up at
24:33
half five every morning to go to work as
24:35
a carer. The rent is just over
24:37
£1200 a month. Nura pays £540 and housing benefit
24:40
covers the rest. She has asthma and Nima
24:46
worries about her mum when she's lying next to
24:48
her in bed. It's kind
24:51
of difficult. I'm sleeping at night, getting
24:53
worried about myself, my sister, my mum,
24:56
her asthma, cause her
24:58
to have a lack of sleep. It
25:00
will cause her coughing, breathing
25:03
problems and it will wake me
25:05
up and it will cause me stress and problems,
25:07
covers that will cause me to stay up at
25:10
night. At school teachers were
25:12
saying why are you sleeping? I can't tell
25:14
them because it's my
25:16
mum. I really worry for her a lot. On
25:19
the stairs outside Nura says she doesn't
25:21
want her daughters worrying about her. At
25:24
the old time she can't sleep because of me.
25:28
Sometimes when I cough straight away she's wake
25:30
up and she says are you OK mum,
25:32
are you OK? And I'm
25:34
worried because I don't want to see
25:36
too much stress and I'm kissing in
25:38
my brush with my children. In
25:41
a survey for the housing charity Shelter
25:43
more than a third of parents in
25:45
temporary accommodation said their children didn't have
25:47
a bed of their own. In
25:50
Nima's case it's one of the reasons
25:52
she's putting off vital surgery. She
25:54
was supposed to have an operation months ago
25:57
to remove pins in her knee but Nura's
25:59
work is not as good as it is.
26:01
it that Nema wouldn't be able to manage
26:03
afterwards in a cramped dream at the top
26:06
as two flights of stairs and teams they're
26:08
sick, really smooth and creamy and scared that
26:10
like when I get my legs are treated
26:12
again on an is gonna help me because
26:15
I asked him score come from like blades
26:17
and my mom's cooking pissy or luck and
26:19
weren't exposed to have the operation months ago
26:22
but you delayed it. Can you explain why
26:24
Mr. Clifford displeases to train he the stairs
26:26
and will serve as how to get down
26:28
and up. Once once and
26:31
it's be like in assume and has
26:33
the world's safety. And the
26:35
ceiling of On a New Freedom
26:37
Of Speech. Is
26:40
known of. Happiness anymore?
26:43
To. Charity Shelters says childhoods the
26:45
been blighted in unfit temporary
26:47
housing because there isn't enough
26:50
social housing stock. Marie Mccray
26:52
is their System Director for
26:54
advocacy and activism. We. Know
26:56
that there are now record numbers are
26:58
children who are homeless and living in
27:00
a recommendation from what does are actually
27:02
looked like it looks like children waking
27:04
up in the morning and one bedroom
27:07
often very grotty, often very terrible conditions,
27:09
forced to share beds, casesa enough space
27:11
for all of them without a kitchens.
27:13
Took hot meals and it's having a
27:15
real impact on on every aspect of
27:17
their lives. What we need is a
27:19
new generation of of social homes and
27:22
at least ninety thousand a year said
27:24
the fussy it will feature. That's. What's
27:26
needed and the housing emergency. Nema
27:30
and Require have been in that
27:33
attic for a year and a
27:35
half. Some most children, temporary accommodation
27:38
is anything but. Two to five
27:40
years is common. We did some
27:42
analysis of the homelessness sick as
27:45
for England and we worked out
27:47
that tens of thousands of children
27:49
have been in temporary accommodation for
27:52
more than five years and family
27:54
housing is scarce. Cinema and require
27:56
a house with actual bedrooms with
27:59
that would. The like winning the
28:01
lottery, but in the world is
28:03
temporary accommodation. Be careful what you
28:05
wish for. Going to North London
28:07
now to see Alex. He's fifteen.
28:09
He's made a video in his
28:12
kitchen with what looks like an
28:14
indoor water feature. Fooling.
28:37
Why did you decide to so much? All
28:40
causing keep me up. A currency. Alex.
28:42
Was videoing rain pouring three the
28:44
ceiling and the inside of a
28:46
broken back to when i get
28:48
that his mom teen or is
28:51
trying to patch it up or
28:53
because black plastic wrap have used
28:55
it as a makeshift to keep
28:57
the wins in the polls. her
28:59
hop on the rain basically can
29:01
see it blow his boss com
29:03
six the room. Song. Is.
29:06
A big black hole above our heads.
29:08
everyday. this pieces fool in I'm in.
29:10
The plaster is a hole in the
29:12
blast. Average black. It's black with multi
29:15
and you've got a bucket on the
29:17
news. Just make the Cia. The
29:22
rents is thirteen hundred and sixty
29:24
pounds a month as well as
29:27
worrying the ceilings going to come
29:29
down. Penis got a wobbly partition
29:31
wall damp. And rents.
29:34
And. Problems with the heating. When.
29:37
They moved in and licks with. He's.
29:40
Sixteen now. Okay, let's see
29:42
your room then Alex. Okay,
29:47
See you go into your fitness Like good
29:50
to see White center was that. Was a
29:52
bench. I'll just for a lark. To
29:54
my mind off of sensors. Lift weights?
29:56
Never sir. Alex says me
29:58
a. Whole around. a heating pipe where
30:01
the rats come in. They come
30:03
through there. You can see where I've tried to
30:05
put paper in the hole. Yeah. And
30:08
they've still found their way through. You can
30:10
hear them in the floorboards, if you're sitting downstairs,
30:12
you can literally hear them in the ceiling. So
30:14
we can hear your mum still trying to
30:16
fix the door downstairs. She obviously tries
30:19
to keep it together for you and I'm guessing you probably
30:21
try and keep it together for her. But
30:23
it is taking its toll on you as well,
30:25
isn't it? Yeah. I went to
30:28
the doctors today and I had to talk
30:30
about how I feel at home and
30:32
stuff. And I
30:35
might be on a programme or something
30:37
for mental health. I
30:39
want to dream big, you know. We
30:41
always say, don't limit yourself, push
30:43
yourself to the furthest. But as
30:46
of right now, the house and
30:48
everything, it's just really hard to even
30:51
just get out of bed, you know.
30:53
It's seriously affecting Alex. He
30:55
barely goes to school and has become
30:58
withdrawn. The doctors suggested he
31:00
might need medication for depression. Tina
31:03
comes up and we have a chat in her room. He
31:06
wants to be able to bring his friends round
31:08
the house. I can't do that. It's
31:10
really embarrassing. You know, it's not
31:12
nice for him to
31:14
live that way. He can't be like every
31:17
other kid. It's just really,
31:19
really, really sad to see my
31:21
son depressed because of the housing
31:23
situation. He just shuts
31:25
down his motion. There was
31:27
a point trying to get my son to go
31:29
to school. He would barricade himself behind
31:32
the bedroom door. He would lock himself
31:34
in the bathroom and I just got a bit
31:36
worried that I had to take the lock off the
31:38
bathroom door because I just... Sorry,
31:41
I didn't mean to upset
31:44
you. I've
31:46
called CAMs. I've
31:49
called the doctors. I've called the
31:51
social services, the school, the
31:56
crisis team, just anyone that can help
31:59
my son. Is anything in process for
32:01
him? Is he on the waiting list for
32:03
Cairns? Yeah, he's on the waiting list for
32:05
Cairns. That's a child and adolescent mental health
32:08
team, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Just obviously
32:10
a lot of children have
32:12
been affected, not just my son, so
32:14
there is a long waiting list as
32:17
well. Alex's
32:21
house is one of 650
32:23
Hizbarah leases from private landlords.
32:26
The council says it will repair the back
32:28
door and deal with any rats. It
32:31
told us it instructed the owner of the property
32:33
to fix the roof a year ago, but he
32:35
failed to do anything. The council's doing
32:37
the work and is going to bill him. But
32:40
Tina and Alex will have to be moved
32:42
anyway because he wants the house back. Alex
32:45
has spent more than half his
32:47
childhood in temporary housing. I
32:50
asked Mari McRae from Shelter
32:52
whether his experience is unusual.
32:55
Unfortunately, it's really common. Temporary
32:57
accommodation is far from temporary.
33:00
I've spoken personally to children who have
33:02
spent their whole childhood in temporary accommodation.
33:05
It is far from temporary and it is having
33:07
a huge and traumatic impact on
33:09
children and their carers as they struggle
33:11
to navigate not having a safe,
33:14
secure and a permanent place to call home.
33:17
Alex's local council says it's committed to
33:19
building 3,000 new council homes, but
33:22
it needs the government to, quote, accept
33:25
its responsibility to provide adequate
33:28
and sustained funding. Councillor
33:31
Darren Rodwell is from the Local
33:33
Government Association. It speaks for
33:35
local councils. We do
33:37
have situations where we find some
33:40
people in accommodation which is not
33:42
acceptable. I've never heard of a
33:44
council that said we will leave them now. They
33:46
will try and do their best to try and
33:48
find a new accommodation that will be sitting for
33:50
the family. I have to say that
33:53
is the feeling of some of the families we've
33:55
met, that they're just being basically left to rot.
33:57
You know, we've met children who talk about sticking
33:59
cereal. box packaging across broken
34:02
windows, eating their tea on
34:04
their beds, sharing their beds with their parents
34:06
and bed bugs, going without
34:08
heating, having their belongings stolen,
34:11
seeing prostitution in their block and
34:13
just nowhere to do their homework, nowhere to
34:16
play and just be kids. Look
34:18
I agree it's abhorrent the situation
34:21
we find ourselves in and that's
34:23
why as local government we are
34:25
saying to government today please
34:28
give us the funding to help
34:30
build the homes we need so
34:32
all of what you've just spoken
34:34
about isn't there because no
34:36
one wants to see a child growing
34:39
up in poverty and distress in the
34:41
way that we are seeing in
34:43
certain parts of our community because we do
34:46
not have enough council or
34:48
social housing to house future
34:50
generations. There's 1.2 million homes
34:53
that have planning permission by local authorities
34:55
that could be built out today if
34:58
the money was there. I'd
35:02
hoped to talk to a housing minister but
35:04
the government declined in interview. It
35:07
told us councils must make sure temporary
35:09
accommodation is suitable. It said
35:11
it wants everyone to have a safe place to
35:13
call home so it's given
35:15
local authorities 1.2 billion pounds
35:18
over three years to help people find
35:20
a new home and move out of
35:22
temporary housing. Councils say
35:25
they're spending more than that every
35:27
year on temporary accommodation. The
35:30
government says it will deliver thousands
35:33
more affordable homes. Housing
35:35
campaigners say social housing with rents
35:37
tied to local income is what's
35:40
needed. Before
35:42
we end an update on how the children
35:44
we've met are doing. Alex's
35:47
mum has been given details of another
35:49
temporary house and work continues on
35:51
the one they're in. There's
35:53
good news for sisters Alia, Jamila and
35:56
Leanne in the hotel after
35:58
we contacted Redbridge Council. the
36:00
housing team visited the family. It's
36:03
now looking for self-contained accommodation for
36:05
them as a matter of urgency.
36:08
Nima had to go ahead with her operation.
36:11
She's managing as well as she can in the attic.
36:13
Her mum's written to the council asking to
36:16
be moved, but so far they've had no
36:18
word about that. Back
36:25
in Liverpool, Jack's seen the worst
36:28
and now perhaps the best of
36:30
temporary accommodation. The
36:37
Belvedere Family Centre feels a lot more like
36:40
home than any of the other places I've
36:42
seen. Jack's parents are
36:44
bidding for social housing. They haven't
36:46
been successful yet, but he's optimistic.
36:49
I'm able to be out of here soon. And
36:53
even if we're not unleashed, we've still got
36:55
a roof to live under and we just
36:57
play day by day that we can get
37:00
somewhere to live and start their new families
37:02
in. My last question for you, Jack, is,
37:04
it's a shocking number, but about 140,000 children
37:09
in England are homeless. So
37:11
you are sadly one of a very
37:13
big number. What would
37:15
you want politicians or whatever,
37:17
if they're listening to know about what
37:19
it's like? If the politicians are listening
37:21
right now, and I have to go back to the day of
37:24
this, you need to sort yourselves
37:26
out. 140,000
37:29
children in this country are suffering. You
37:31
need to sort yourself out and all
37:33
your politics. You
37:36
live in big mansions
37:38
or whatever. One of
37:40
the poor people are suffering. You need to do
37:43
something. You need to start building more stuff. So
37:45
none of us are homeless. We all need a
37:47
place to live. We need a life. This
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