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Look out, it's only films to be

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buried with. Hello.

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My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a

0:18

comedian, an actor, a writer, a

0:20

director, a swimmer, and I

0:22

love films. I love all films.

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I love long films, I love short films. I love

0:27

horror films, I love art films, I love

0:29

big bat films. And I cannot lie. If

0:32

you love films, this might be the podcast for you.

0:34

I tend to agree with Martin Luther King when

0:37

he said people should not be judged

0:39

by the color of their skin, but by the

0:41

contents of their DVD cabinets. I

0:44

do feel that film plays an important part

0:46

in all our lives. Most of the memories you

0:48

might have that means something to you are probably

0:51

connected in some way to a film you might have seen

0:53

during that time. I wanted to capture

0:55

that by inviting a dead person

0:58

over to my house to discuss that's their

1:00

life through the films that meant the most

1:02

to them. I've got

1:04

a lot of great guests coming up, including Katherine

1:06

Ryan Ashling, b Nish Kumar, Stephen

1:09

Cree and loads more. But from my first episode,

1:12

I wanted it to be a special one. But let's face

1:14

it, they're all special, but it doesn't matter.

1:16

This guy's special too. My very first guest

1:18

is the brilliant James A. Custer. If

1:21

you don't know any of James's work, what's

1:23

wrong with you? Get on Netflix now and

1:26

look up his four stand

1:28

up specials. He has four of them, and they're

1:30

all incredible, and you should try and watch them

1:32

all in one go. There's a lot more to say

1:34

about his career, although I think what

1:37

I've discovered is it's quite fun to

1:39

say people seevs into their

1:41

own eyes while they're looking at you, because

1:43

it sort of freaks you both out, which is what I've

1:45

done with all of my guests, so listen out for that in the

1:48

episode. A couple of things. We

1:50

did record this in my kitchen, so it's a

1:52

tiny bit echoe, but I've learned from

1:54

that doesn't happen in the rest of the episodes. The

1:56

other episode sound is much better, so please bet

1:58

with it. A couple of

2:00

brief warnings. There's probably some swearing

2:03

from time to time, because I do think it's cool

2:05

and clever, and I do think

2:07

we might touch lightly on some

2:10

darker topics, So if you're sensitive

2:12

to that sort of thing, you can just skip those bits.

2:15

Also, in terms of spoilers, if

2:17

we mentioned a film you haven't seen, we

2:20

might spoil that film, so you might want

2:22

to skip ahead, but don't skip

2:24

ahead too much. Otherwise this whole podcast is going to be like

2:26

thirty seconds for you. That's

2:29

it for now. I very much

2:31

hope you enjoy the first episode

2:33

of Films to be Buried With. Hello,

2:47

and welcome to Films to be Buried With.

2:49

I am Brett GHOSTI and I am here

2:52

with a very wonderful guest. His

2:54

name is James Aacaster. If you don't

2:56

know him, you can watch four hours

2:59

four hours of him

3:01

being a comedian on Netflix

3:04

on Channel Netflix. Yeah, four

3:07

hours arrogant in a way,

3:10

Yeah, a bit arrogant, but I've watched it all

3:12

four I

3:14

mean he's longer than Brake Art. Yeah,

3:16

I mean basically if you've not seen him yet, he's

3:19

a sort of stand up that's so good. He

3:21

makes stand ups want to stop doing

3:23

stand up. So if you're not a stand up, watch

3:25

it and you'll have a wonderful time. If you have a

3:28

stand up, just forget it.

3:30

Anyway, that's not true here he is lovely

3:33

James aacaster. Welcome to this show. Thank

3:35

you, Brett love Introke. Thanks

3:37

for coming around my house. Yeah, I

3:39

don't. I haven't been here very often, even though I'll

3:42

count you as one of my friends. I've

3:44

been here. Okay, second time.

3:47

This could be a second time. Yeah, you're secretive.

3:49

Man, don't invite love people around. No you

3:51

don't. Doors stay locked. Yes,

3:53

in this house. Thank you. Very interesting.

3:56

Welcome to this show. Now you understand

3:59

how it works. Yeah, you have

4:01

died. Yes, I'm sorry.

4:03

How did you die? James probably fell

4:06

in a hole in the street, street hole,

4:08

maybe in the beach, beach hole. Quicksand

4:12

and actually quicksands

4:14

probably more likely. Yeah, I've always thought

4:16

it would probably quicksand or fallen off a

4:18

building or something, both of the things that have

4:20

always felt the most likely. Quicksands

4:23

seems legit for you. Yeah,

4:25

it would have been a company. I'd write a routine about. Yeah,

4:27

so you're going as you're singing, Yeah,

4:30

we're playing so well. You

4:32

always thought what you're singing in quick and do

4:35

it quick. It's so yeah, definitely

4:38

sand it gets everywhere, it's

4:40

coming in my lungs. Good

4:45

routine. I'll do that same

4:47

you can't do it because you've died. How do you feel

4:49

about death? Scared of it? Excited, look

4:52

forward to it? No, I don't look forward to it,

4:54

but I don't feel I'm too scared of it anymore. Used to

4:56

be really scared of it and then thought

4:59

about it a lot and feel like now

5:01

said always focusing in on because it was

5:03

focused on death, and it's like, oh, we won't

5:06

have everything taken away from us. Yeah,

5:09

and you don't really stop to think why have

5:11

we even got it in the first place. And it's just

5:13

quite amazing to even habit. It's like, I don't

5:15

think I'm owed any of this. It's crazy

5:17

to habit and to be here now. So in many ways,

5:19

your spiritual leader is Mike Skinner of the Streets.

5:22

Yeah, he said everything is just borrow. That

5:25

album has a lot of that,

5:27

that kind of philosophy on it. Yeah,

5:29

it's got someone they called edge of a Cliff, which

5:32

it's all about. Yeah, like you til you feel sad,

5:34

just to remember how unlikely

5:36

it is that even here, all the

5:38

people that came before, all the people that came before, so

5:40

that you exist. Yeah, it's real, really nice,

5:43

really good sentiment. So I think that kind of stuff

5:45

just makes you feel better. I don't know if you have those scared of death

5:47

and you're like, oh no, so when you're in

5:49

that quick sand, slowly slowly, slowly down,

5:51

you'll be at least remember the streets.

5:54

Yeah, I was singing that song. Yeah, yeah,

5:56

we're part of the routine. It move singing streets

5:58

songs. Well, that's lovely. And do you believe

6:00

in heaven or I

6:03

don't think I'll do. I was raised Christian,

6:05

and I believed in that

6:07

kind of stuff for a while, and then

6:09

I po't believe in the heaven and a hell for a while.

6:12

It wasn't really even that idea wasn't

6:14

really pushed on me by my parents. But like, I

6:17

believe in those things, and I'll stopped believing in

6:19

hell, and I just believe there's probably a nice

6:21

place you go when you die. And then

6:23

I guess I kind of stopped believing in that. But

6:25

like, I am agnostic, So if I

6:28

die and there was an afterlife, you were

6:30

be annoyed. I wouldn't go what

6:33

Yeah, yeah, this was always always a

6:35

possibility, I guess, yeah, but I

6:37

would imagine that if there is an afterlife,

6:40

big if sure then it's not

6:42

gonna be like anything we human

6:44

beings have been discussing. No, on would have got it

6:46

right. No, you think it would be more

6:48

sort of beyond company. Yeah, absolutely,

6:51

We're not going to be able to be more that solarious.

6:54

Yeah, sure like that. Yeah, I feel

6:56

like yeah,

6:59

comprehends. Yeah, and what is it. I'm

7:01

more of a figure than maybe maybe just

7:03

the oneness, yeah, rather than an actual

7:06

walking I mean, obviously we'd all like it to be like

7:08

this because it's not familiar, isn't it walking

7:11

around? But this other fingers is

7:13

great and you don't there's no calories,

7:15

they don't weight on. There's a line insularists

7:19

in the book and the film which is these

7:21

astronauts talking and they say, we

7:23

think we're so big and brave and strong

7:25

because we fled through space looking

7:27

for answers, but all we're really looking

7:29

for a mirror. That it lost all their

7:32

mirrors on the flight because

7:34

in the future there a mirror. Yeah, they weren't

7:36

allowed to take the entire space pagame just to find

7:39

some mirror. You've got terrible

7:41

staffing in face you really need to he I

7:45

look like any Yeah. Yeah.

7:47

So in the premise

7:50

of this show is that we're talking about ten

7:52

films that mean something from

7:54

your life. And so my first question

7:56

is what is the first film you remember

7:58

seeing when you were alert? So there definitely

8:01

films the Sword before this one, but this is the first one

8:03

I remember, okay, because it's my first

8:05

cinema trip, so I remember being at

8:07

cinema had been exciting. How were you between

8:10

free and fire? I guess about

8:13

that? And who were you with my dad? Just

8:15

you and your dad. Yeah, I'm going to see

8:17

The Rescuers down Under. Yeah,

8:21

the first one, very underrated tea for

8:24

I loved it. Rescuer

8:26

Yeah, yeah, I really liked it. Yeah,

8:29

and it's a good thing. I mean, yeah, I don't actually remember

8:31

too much of it now. I remember going

8:33

to see it. I'm a being in the cinema. I

8:35

can remember, like what seat I was it

8:39

view? No? No, the view from the seat.

8:41

No. I don't know what the cinema was

8:43

called. It was in Bambury,

8:46

but then maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was in ketterin Clewing,

8:48

Kettering, and then we moved to Bambury for a year

8:51

and then moved back to Kettering. But

8:53

I think it's in the Bambary year, but maybe it wasn't

8:56

why the Bambury year may come

8:59

back to Christiana again. So my parents

9:01

the church over there. Jesus was there

9:05

in the Bamtary class, that's a clue. No,

9:08

they were starting up another church in Boundary,

9:10

so some of the people in the individual church

9:12

to go over there for the transition, like

9:15

weaning people into just yeah,

9:17

get make sure everything could of not

9:19

not getting people to go to the church, but just

9:21

like like a frienchise like yeah,

9:23

yeah, trained that lot. Yeah.

9:26

I don't know if it was training that lot, but it was

9:28

like just be friendly. I don't know, you just

9:30

go over go, go go to the church. Go to that church for

9:32

a bit. But it was a very like hippie

9:34

kind of church that works. I don't

9:37

like they were there and forcing any rules or anything.

9:39

I guess she was just there for if

9:42

you didn't here, here, if you need us, And then

9:44

no one did so we went back to caln Um.

9:47

But yeah, they could probably tell you more information

9:49

than I could as far as I was aware. We just lived in boundary.

9:51

Right, let's get you. I would like to have you there and

9:53

actually and follow him everything on Twitter.

9:56

You do. Yeah, yeah, I recommend you David

9:58

Aster. Yeah, one of the most aspect

10:01

voice just when he wants

10:03

on Twitter, So yeah, he would be

10:05

great films. Yeah. So

10:08

you went to see The Rescues Down end It and you remember

10:10

the experienced payment. Yeah. I remember

10:12

just being in the cinema and how special

10:14

it felt and exciting for years after

10:17

I was doing on a cinema loads because it was a treat.

10:19

So like I remember going to see Your

10:22

Finger, I remember going to see Cool

10:24

Ronans The Lion King. Like

10:26

one day my mum it was really like it's a really

10:28

special cinema trip. When one day my mum just went

10:31

Joory goes to the Stargate and that didn't happen.

10:34

Usually, it was like all of us

10:36

went a lot of the time in the Rescuers,

10:38

even though the first time it was me on my own, but because my brothers

10:40

just were too young. But like normally we

10:42

all went as a family and we knew a

10:44

few tasted bars. We're going to the cinema in the weekend.

10:46

It was exciting. It was stargating.

10:48

My mom just been like John goes see like

10:51

right now, just want to go just me and you. She was going

10:53

to see it, and I couldn't believe

10:55

it was happening that we were going to go and just going to go

10:57

to the cinema. That's how much rest and James

10:59

Bay, yeah what and it's

11:03

so good. And also that was during the phase where

11:05

I went through where every time I saw a film I would tell

11:07

people the whole plot. When I got home, I'd

11:09

have to tell them from the start, and I wouldn't miss anything out

11:12

home. My mum having to tell me to stop passing through

11:14

Independence Day I haven't started trying

11:16

to tell her and a friend to the friend over

11:19

and I was just telling them the whole film.

11:21

And when I got to the bit where all the people

11:23

on top of the building welcoming the aliens

11:26

and the spaceship comes over and it opens

11:28

up, I said, hey, I opens up and then whatever

11:30

the lady says, it's so pretty. And then

11:32

my mum was like, James, how much does this film is?

11:34

Because I can't you

11:37

can't tell us the whole film, like fine,

11:42

under a minute, tell me the entire plot

11:44

of the rescue is den. Some mice

11:47

go to rescue someone in Australia

11:49

and they ride on the back of an Albatross,

11:51

I think, and that is all

11:54

I can remember that. Yeah,

11:56

but like I then went back and watched The Rescuers,

11:59

you know, a couple of what happened there either, but like

12:01

I liked that. I remember that one The Rescuers

12:04

Final those West, but also an American

12:06

Tale and the Land Before

12:09

Time films being all

12:11

around that point. I was watching that kind of film a lot,

12:13

and they were all quite sad, sad

12:15

cartoons about being lost.

12:17

Yeah, American Tale is unbelievably

12:20

tragic. Yeah that's

12:22

as sad as fucking Dumbo's mum swinging

12:25

Dumbo Jesus. Yeah,

12:29

yeah it was. It was all so it's fairy kind

12:31

of I think, also quite something like Bambi

12:33

or Dumbo. It's sad, but like still kind of happy

12:35

kids. I definitely like American

12:37

Tale and Land Before Time

12:40

just very sad, like there's so just

12:42

kids being lost walking around.

12:45

And that's what I thought most

12:47

cartoons were like at one point, because

12:49

that's mainly what I was watching. Did you relate

12:51

to that? We like a little, I

12:53

feel like a little last time, so I felt quite like I

12:56

definitely felt scared of being a lost I've

12:58

always been more scared of stuff that's never happened to

13:00

me, right, So I definitely scared watching

13:03

those films of what oh that might I

13:05

hope that never happens to me. I hope I never

13:07

am I lost dinosaurs. I

13:09

hope I'll never liked, you know. But what I

13:11

liked about it, Yeah,

13:16

which could happen, that's still open.

13:18

But like what I liked about them before time, I

13:20

think American telling. I can't remember that before

13:22

time was great because they kept on meeting more

13:25

dinosaurs who were lost. Yeah, the

13:27

gang got bigger, and I liked that. I liked

13:29

all the different characters and there

13:32

different things, and how they were all together in this group

13:34

and lost together. I quite liked the idea

13:36

with that. So in a way I was scared of it.

13:38

But there's another part of me that was, like I would

13:40

like to be and this lost kind of gang.

13:43

I think it's a metaphor for the comedy community.

13:45

Yeah, a little lost gangs that

13:48

found each other. Yeah, making their

13:50

way towards quick step. That's

13:53

perfectly fair. A bunch of odd

13:55

balls have all got lost, just drifted

13:58

around, and then you'll get drawn to this thing.

14:05

This tuma starts sing like,

14:08

yeah, the open mic circuit, especially when

14:10

when you're not from mic circuit, it's a rogues

14:12

gallery of you're all

14:14

just no matter what, there's no cool

14:17

people on the open mic circuit.

14:19

Even once you think that, because you know, for whatever

14:21

reason, you started taking yourself to pubs

14:24

most nights of the week, go into a little room

14:27

where like about five strangers are sitting

14:29

down to watch you and getting up in front of them

14:31

and doing something you're no good at yet, yeah,

14:33

and kind of just taking a

14:36

hit ta taking the hit each night, not

14:38

knowing if it's gonna be good or not being really nervous

14:40

going up there. Sometimes it works, some it doesn't, it doesn't.

14:42

It feels brutal, and then like just

14:44

going high. You know, you don't do it. Unless

14:47

I was twenty three. I had tried to be

14:49

in bands. They had all failed. I didn't have any

14:52

qualification. I didn't know what to do, and I just started

14:54

doing this, and definitely,

14:56

even though it was like a fun adventure, I

14:58

was really like I don't know what I'm doing,

15:01

and like, you know, and I meet people like my

15:04

early friends in comedy, like Nick

15:06

Helm Josh. Nick had

15:09

been writing players and stuff and got frustrated

15:11

trying to get up a direct and trying to get other

15:13

people to care about the players, started doing

15:15

comedy in his own Josh had been trying to

15:17

write and do comedy writing and no one

15:19

wanted any of the stuff, and started

15:21

doing comedy. There was stand up and

15:23

like you know, it was all a bunch of that kind of

15:25

I've been acting in writing players and in fact I

15:27

was thinking I took a play to Edinburgh

15:30

that like before I did stand up

15:32

and took a play and it was like real my soul

15:35

in a play, real heart and sell in a play.

15:38

And the first review we got was

15:41

a one star review that said the

15:43

plot of the player and then said who

15:46

cares?

15:52

Yeah, what is the film

15:54

that scared you the most in your whole

15:56

life? Doesn't have to be one of your kids.

15:59

It wasn't what else? Because when I was a killer of it when we watched

16:01

scary films. When I was fourteen

16:04

fifteen, I watched Scream two and

16:07

I didn't sleep for two weeks. And

16:09

that's not an exaggeration. Yeah,

16:12

yeah, I literally could

16:14

not sleep because I was terrified.

16:17

And the reason why I was so terrified

16:19

was, well, when I've never seen a film that was that violent

16:22

before. Yeah, But also I've

16:24

seen like murder mysteries and

16:26

stuff like that on TV and scary

16:29

films that make you jump a little bit, but

16:32

there was always a really clear

16:35

motive at the end. You'd always find

16:37

out who the killer was, who the murderer was,

16:39

and you go, oh, that makes sense, and

16:41

that's why they did. It's like that scream

16:44

too. It's just like they're just psychopaths

16:46

and they kill everyone. It's Timothy other fan, isn't

16:48

it from Deadwood? He's the killer and spin

16:50

Teo spoiler Sorry, Yeah, so I don't

16:53

really know his name, right, But like,

16:55

there's two killers in the skin two one of them

16:57

has kind of a motive that you kind of understand,

17:00

and one of them is just a psycho wants to kill

17:02

people, and that's all that is. And so when

17:04

I realized, oh,

17:07

it's not always a motive. It's not like you have

17:09

to have wronged someone always like that. There could

17:11

just be someone who just wants to kill people. And that hadn't

17:13

entered my head until that point. And

17:16

then I was like, anyone for no

17:18

reason could just kill me. And

17:21

every time I went to go to sleep, I'll be like,

17:23

they could also work

17:25

pointing out I watched it my friend Matthew's house. Well

17:29

I'm still friends with him now, but he is the

17:31

kind of guy who would do that. But like he

17:34

loved Scream the whole franchise. He

17:36

absolutely loved it. His bedroom was ashrimed

17:38

to it. And I'm saying I was staying over that

17:40

night, so we watched

17:43

Scream too. I was really

17:45

scared. And then I was sleeping in the bed

17:47

that literally above it had the

17:50

costume that the killer wears hanging

17:52

from the seling, so he had it hanging from

17:54

the scene, so it looked like they were looming, like

17:56

the killer was looming over you, Yeah, above

17:59

his bed up here in bed. So I

18:01

was thinking in that bed that night. So like

18:03

I literally had to sleep underneath

18:06

the killer from the film I've just seen, and

18:08

also in screen. Yeah,

18:10

it's not unlikely for

18:13

that to be one of the scenes where like, oh,

18:15

it's just a little costume from about the

18:17

killer and we've got hanging in the ceiling and then that is

18:19

the killer actually and then

18:22

they stab you in the night. Um.

18:24

So like as that was the first night I saw

18:26

it was hanging over me, and then

18:28

everything I tried to go because there's all these horrible

18:31

thoughts of like all the different murders

18:33

that happened in the film and like all

18:36

the people that this beginning is one of

18:38

the great I think it's one of the great openings to a film

18:41

screen too, genuinely the cinema

18:43

hory, brilliant

18:45

scary secrets. Yeah. Also

18:47

with that as well, it's like, oh, like no one will

18:49

help you, yeah, and they all think it's

18:52

part of this show. Yeah. Yeah,

18:54

So that there was that

18:56

I was just running over all that they're

18:58

going, okay, so why did those to kill

19:00

everyone? And just like trying

19:03

to go over it and trying to work it

19:05

out and going. But she was acting so

19:07

normal for the whole film.

19:09

A lady was acting just really normal because

19:11

she was murdering these kids, and

19:14

like it was I just couldn't get I

19:16

thought I was literally was not sleeping, and I

19:18

don't know how I eventually got out of it.

19:21

I was managing. Yeah, I probably watched a really happy

19:23

film and snap myself out of it, but like

19:25

I don't I couldn't tell any of my friends. Have you seen

19:27

screen never

19:30

revisib but I only watched it recently. I

19:32

think I've watched all of them, and

19:34

I've watched the Screen TV series

19:36

on Netflix, which most people would tell you

19:38

is a part of ship and what would you say,

19:40

I think it is but deliberately, but deliberately,

19:44

but because the films are

19:46

making fun of horror films, which

19:48

I didn't realize at the time I was watching it. I thought it's

19:50

a genuine horror film. But like, the films are kind of

19:52

making fun of horror films and stuff like that, and then

19:54

deliberately, deliberately have bits that

19:57

are badly acted and things like and that's

19:59

what the TV series habits that are deliberately

20:01

hammy and like over the top and

20:03

bits that are a bit parody, stuff

20:05

like that, but like it stays really true

20:07

to the films. Anyone who gets annoyed with the TV

20:10

series, you know, if you if you like the films, yeah,

20:12

it's not the TV series. It's not exactly what the TV

20:15

What the film did is doing it to the nth degree because

20:17

it's also making fun of the film, so it's just

20:19

doing stealing that on top of it. But I quite

20:21

enjoy It's just like so easy to watch. You

20:24

stay easier. I mean, when you were fourteen. You couldn't

20:27

sleep. Yeah, I couldn't sleep too it. So now

20:29

is it like a little now I could

20:31

watch that kind of stuff now a brave

20:33

boy now. Yeah. For a while, it was just like films

20:35

like that. The other comment scared me a lot was Hannibal,

20:38

because that was the first film I've seen

20:40

where a brain, Yes,

20:42

someminate a brain, but also like a lot

20:44

of the stuff in Hannibal that's really awful. You don't see

20:47

it happen. That's so there's the stuff that you had

20:49

to imagine, Like because with that scene, for example,

20:52

all the stuff in between you whoy

20:54

drugs him and then what does it just got him saying

20:56

that it's just talk into him. It's

20:58

kinds fucking henny and

21:00

he's like feeling his own brain. That that bit

21:02

in particular was just like I couldn't stop

21:04

thinking about it how horrible it

21:07

was, because I think it's all like pre the

21:09

whole accepting death thing because of

21:11

suddenly being reduced to that. So it's like,

21:14

if that was me and that happens, if someone did

21:16

that to me, is that all I am? I'm just

21:18

a piece of meat that can be manipulated.

21:20

And then suddenly if I'm jugged up and nothing for that,

21:22

I'm that stupid that I just eat my own

21:25

brain and I'll say shitty

21:27

things to the people at the dinner table, and I won't realize

21:29

when he throws the tea towel on his head. Yeah, that's

21:32

the worst for me, because he treats him

21:34

like he's nothing. At that point, he's just

21:36

there with his brain exposed, jeweling,

21:39

but still alive, and Hannibals

21:42

wheeled him into the kitchen and he just wipes

21:45

his hands on the tea towel and just throws it on his

21:47

head like it's a it's a chair, it's just a

21:49

stand, and it just covers his face and it's on

21:51

his brain. And you're like, that's

21:53

all I am, just a brain in a bit of meat.

21:55

I'm nothing that And that

21:58

scared me. How one's works with me. An

22:00

old man whose job in

22:03

the I don't remember what time. He

22:05

worked for a studio in Hollywood, and

22:07

his job was to come up they made lads and

22:10

lads of B movie horror films and his literally

22:12

his job was to come up with deaths, ways

22:14

of like cool death, scaping death. And

22:16

he said his favorite one that he came up with was

22:19

they put a guy to sleep, They cut

22:21

open the top of his skulls with his brains expose. They

22:23

wheeled him in front of a mirror, and then they

22:25

wake him up. And when he wakes up, he sees

22:28

himself and he goes ah and puts his hands to

22:30

his head. He shot and crushes his own

22:32

brain, put his fingers through

22:34

his brain. That was his best How don't I think of

22:36

that? Han't that? That's your job? Yeah? Think about

22:38

stuff. I just get worried about myself. He's a lovely

22:41

man, family man. What is the film that

22:43

made you cry the most? Pride?

22:46

I love Bride. Yeah, I loved

22:48

that film, one of my favorite films

22:50

of recent years. Love it and

22:53

I saw that more than say,

22:56

saving mister Banks, Saving

22:58

mister Banks. But like I cry

23:01

out stuff that makes me feel

23:03

I guess happy rather than sad. I

23:06

know, who don't know? You might not know praying.

23:08

There is a wonderful film about the

23:10

miners in Wales ending

23:13

forces with the gay community.

23:15

Yeah, so the gay community basically

23:18

decided to support the miners because

23:20

the miners because basically that there's a scene

23:23

at the beginning of the film where you know, they're

23:25

saying, we haven't been hassled for ages. Yeah,

23:27

and we normally get those a ship from the police all

23:29

the time, and why is that not happening now? And

23:32

it's because there has than somebody else that has

23:34

the miners now, And so we can either just

23:37

go great, yeah, or

23:39

we can get behind them and support them even

23:41

though they didn't support us, and them supported us,

23:44

and that alone for a little

23:46

question. Boy, But we've been years

23:48

ago. I was so nice and

23:51

so so first, I much us in the cinema.

23:53

I don't crying the cinema, so I kind of like was fine,

23:55

but I loved it, and so I bought the DVD,

23:58

which I don't really do any these days, but the

24:01

DVD and I'm watched it on my own one night,

24:03

and I honestly think I cried

24:06

for the whole film. And at

24:08

the end, the back of my head,

24:10

the head muscles hurt because

24:12

I've been crying. They've been like my whole

24:15

trying to produce more teams. It will been wrinkled

24:17

and in the tense for the whole film, and it genuinely

24:20

hurt. And I was trying not to cry because

24:23

it was like that was hurting so much,

24:26

and it was there's so many scenes

24:28

in it. There seems that most films were saved

24:30

just to the end, and it's every scene

24:32

in price, So every scene in it

24:34

is potentially the end of a film where they

24:37

try and make you cry, and just

24:39

all the way through. My all time favorite

24:42

show that I saw it the on stage.

24:44

Yes, I house the musical. My

24:47

dad got his tickets from boxing day and

24:49

I thought, the fuck is this shiite

24:52

shit? Yeah, and they cried all the way from It's

24:54

the most beautiful thing I've ever seeing anything.

24:57

Story is so beautifully dead, and it's direct

25:00

buying Matthew Walkers, and when they're

25:02

still Pride, I was like, this is the most joyful,

25:05

beautiful film I ever seen. And then I saw at the end

25:07

director by Matthew Walkers. Of course it is.

25:12

I don't know that I knew that about that

25:15

musical. Yeah, yeah, it's just

25:17

I mean, the cast is amazing,

25:20

the story is really weirdly.

25:22

The only bit that doesn't make me cry is

25:24

the bit where they really try and make

25:26

you cry. So there's there's it's one

25:28

bit where everyone starts singing

25:31

yeah during this village hall, and I

25:33

can't remember what's just happened, but something bad

25:36

has just happened, Like you know, they've

25:38

basically been told they're not going to get what they want or whatever

25:40

it is. And a lady gets up and starts

25:42

singing and singing together.

25:45

And that's the only bit that doesn't make me cry, even I'm sure

25:47

that most people cry that bit. But for some reasons,

25:49

I'm like, you're trying to make it forget

25:52

about. I saw this coming, but where's

25:54

everything else? It's just like you're

25:56

watching yeah, like you know, people

26:00

coming together and supporting each other, and people

26:02

like coming over, people

26:05

coming out, people realizing

26:08

they've got aids. Like there's so much

26:10

like dumlic West does an amazing

26:12

dancing it. And I remember

26:15

thinking, as an actor, if I if

26:17

I got the part and I was being description it says,

26:20

by the way, you have to do a massive dance in

26:22

front of a crowd of people, I'd be like shit,

26:24

And he really goes really really

26:27

it does, unlike that Billy Brand's

26:29

song at the end. I

26:32

don't know. This is what I found about

26:34

Privacy. It's such for a film that's you know,

26:37

it's it could be a heavy subject,

26:39

it's so joyful and it's so full

26:41

of love and wonder. But

26:43

then the film ends, and then it shows up like

26:46

titles of where the people are now kind of titles,

26:49

and all the titles are so depressing

26:51

that as sad as I

26:55

think one of them is very sad, but like it, like

26:57

you ended that film before it all, yeah,

27:00

yeah, yeah, they do deal with that. But also

27:02

there's plenty of sad stuff in the film. But

27:04

like the fact that they make the main message

27:07

about supporting each other and

27:10

supporting your neighbors and like not that's

27:12

the whole kind of thing about again not leaving people

27:14

high and joy this because they're not fighting the same course

27:17

as you or whatever. It is, like you know, it's just they got

27:19

a different battle and it's not your battle. I actually

27:21

just like still going, no, we get we've got the

27:23

same oppressors or whatever. So like

27:26

it. It was great, and Paddy Constantine's

27:28

amazing in it. The storm, it's amazing. Bill

27:30

Nai like it's sandwiches

27:35

well that scene. Yet when when he's making

27:37

this, that's one of the many scenes that makes you try when

27:39

that is so well done.

27:43

Yeah, there's too many. It's a scene

27:45

after scene that this destroys me, and I

27:48

was absolute wreck by the time

27:50

it was taking time. Do you like I

27:53

don't mean this sort of weirdly? Do you like crying?

27:56

Will you like this? Is? I

27:58

didn't cry for years? So my I

28:01

cried when I was I'm seventeen.

28:04

My cats died and I cried, and

28:06

I didn't cry again until

28:08

Pride, well not far

28:10

off, like made it until I was

28:13

thirty. Like, I just didn't cry,

28:15

couldn't cry. I wasn't trying to necessarily,

28:17

but like I was, like, I just don't. I guess that's the thing.

28:19

I just don't cry. Yeah, And then that was it,

28:22

and then I found that way until I

28:24

was saying right and twenty

28:28

years Yeah, you seem like a man of

28:30

principle. And so the next

28:32

person to have you is what is the film

28:34

that you love and ashamedly? Yeah?

28:37

But this is bad. It is certainly

28:39

critically reviled. People

28:42

say this film is bad, but you're like, f

28:44

few, this film is amazing. Final

28:46

Destination five lovely too.

28:49

Is that the rather place to war? No,

28:52

it's not the place to work. It's the

28:54

final one. It's the final five. Yeah,

28:57

yeah, it was. It was freely

29:00

three D. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, what a film.

29:02

Talk to me. I love all the

29:04

Final Destination of films,

29:06

and what I love about them is

29:08

that it's essentially the same comedy

29:11

sketch over and over again, and you

29:14

know what the punch line is going to be every

29:16

time. So this guy, here's a bunch of

29:18

sketches and at the end

29:20

they're going to die. So the end,

29:22

the main the main character in the sketch is

29:25

going to die and you know that, and

29:27

the laughs are all the different

29:29

ways that they could possibly die, and then at

29:31

the end we kill them in the way that you don't suspect.

29:34

It was funny. So it's like the first show, it's

29:36

just catchphase comedy. Know what it depends on is

29:38

this is how are they going to get somehow?

29:40

Trying to reinvent it every single time,

29:43

and I think it's brilliant. And by the time they get

29:45

to Final Destination five, they fully know

29:47

that's all this is, right, so they don't

29:50

really bother with the plot. What's

29:52

the big the big thing the premonition

29:55

death at the beginning, and is

29:57

the driving with the love on the motorway.

30:00

No, So that's that's

30:02

like a that's another one that's like quite

30:04

an early one. Okay, it is.

30:07

I'm pretty sure it's because now I'm worried that I'm

30:09

getting them mixed up. I'm pretty sure I'm not. It's a

30:11

bridge collapses and they're all on this busy

30:14

and let's somehow survive

30:16

it. So yeah, small for them, that's

30:19

quite a small. It's pretty huge. It's

30:22

a bridge collapsing. It is a big and

30:25

it's not edone's

30:29

dying. It's really fun,

30:33

like someone gets like boiling tar poured

30:35

on them. Way, I

30:38

kind of want you to spoil this. They don't listen if you down this

30:40

spoil. But if it's the final, final, final destination?

30:43

Do they cure death? How did they stop

30:45

it? How is it the final one? They do not cure

30:47

death. And here's the thing, And I

30:49

know what you're going to say when I tell you this. I mean, I did

30:52

not do this deliberately. But it's

30:54

not the final one. It reveals

30:56

it happened before the first one, and

30:58

it was the first. It triggered the whole thing.

31:01

That's what's quite that's cool. What's quite

31:03

great about it is that even the people who

31:06

hate it takes which go. It's

31:09

a really good twist because you don't realize until

31:12

the end, Oh, they've not been using modern technology.

31:15

This was set before that, but you don't realize

31:17

it for the whole film. He was like, you don't

31:19

real any of that, and then you realize that this was

31:21

before the first one. That's what they did. My

31:24

favorite sort of not loved

31:27

for a series is Paranormal Activity.

31:29

Yeah, and Paranormal Activity, the marked

31:31

ones where they really went off piece

31:34

at the end is he sort of

31:36

has accidentally become

31:39

a ghost kind of thing, like he's going through a dimension

31:41

where he can't be seen, and he

31:43

walks through a door into the first paranormal

31:46

activity and the big scary noises

31:48

in the house and him just walking around. Nice.

31:52

Great, it's great, it's

31:54

great. Ship it's really cool.

31:57

But like also I saw it on the

31:59

so my first ever solo

32:01

show, at which any

32:04

comic who's done at Edinburgh will tell you that

32:06

the debut show is you're not really

32:08

prepared for hunsing to make you feel. It

32:10

makes you feel more anxious than you thought you would, more

32:13

stressed. Your ego takes a real beat

32:15

in. You have a lot of doubt and it's a quite a stressful

32:17

month, and at the end of the month, I

32:20

booked a train back a little

32:22

bit too late, so maybe like I had a whole

32:24

day in Edinburgh and everyone

32:27

else had gone home apart from me, Tom, both

32:29

from Tile, and I think it was Lee

32:32

and Paul from Late Night gim

32:34

Fight, but I'm not sure if

32:36

any of the others. Maybe Matt was there as well. But

32:39

we all decided we were going to go and see

32:41

Final Destination five at the cinema, just

32:43

go see that, and we went

32:46

there and watching after a month of

32:48

being at a festival where we

32:50

were all obsessed over making these perfect

32:52

shows that will impress the

32:54

critics and impress the awards

32:56

panel and all this kind of stuff, and then

32:59

you go and see a film that's literally

33:01

gone, we don't care, we

33:03

don't care about any

33:06

of you say about this. We know

33:08

this is fun. We're just gonna have a load of fun

33:10

with this film. And we're now putting

33:12

it in three D so that you can really

33:15

have also a three D film. Where I

33:17

was playing it was in three D, where I'm just sitting there

33:20

going, oh yeah, they've added a lot of depth to

33:22

it, so it actually thing seem further away,

33:25

stick in your face. I wanted the

33:29

three D films adit in my face? I want to say, you know, in

33:31

the bridge fall apart and they all everything is

33:34

exploding out. Yeah, it

33:37

was away from my face. Yeah, well one of them literally

33:39

have already sat at the back. All these metal

33:41

rods slide off of a lorry

33:43

and just go through someone and they all come

33:46

right at you. It's great. So

33:48

like it was, it was such a good film. And what to

33:51

go? Oh yeah, you know what, when I'm

33:53

in the audience, I just want to enjoy myself

33:55

and have fun. And second

33:58

enemy a lot of music into pointing

34:02

the face and killing them all. Yeah, yeah,

34:05

that was my favorite. Say you did okay?

34:08

The next thing I wouldn't know then, is what is the

34:10

film that has the most meaning to you? Not

34:12

because you left the film per se, but

34:14

because of the circumstances in which you saw

34:17

it, for example, first date

34:19

with Sam Weeks and in love with them or whatever.

34:21

What's the film the experience of what's

34:24

net film that is your So this

34:26

is one of my favorite films as well. So it's

34:29

Boy, which is a film by Tiger

34:32

Oh Okay, who people will know from

34:34

you did four but also did doing

34:37

the Shadows and the wonderful

34:40

the Wilder People, but like the hum

34:43

the Wilder People, which is great um and Eagle

34:45

versus Sharps. His first film, Boy was the second

34:47

one, but based on like a short film we've done before.

34:50

Boy is one of my favorite

34:53

films ever. And I watched

34:55

it. It was the first time I went to New Zealand, and I

34:57

am in love with that country.

35:00

And some of that is probably because

35:03

my ex girlfriend is from there and

35:06

so like I spent a lot of time there. But

35:08

what's not but what's nice is that I know that, you know,

35:10

my relationship with that country immersed it with her two

35:12

different things, and you

35:15

know, I didn't know that, and I for a

35:18

while I thought New Zealand.

35:20

I thought it's just connected together, like it's just because

35:22

of her that I like it so much. And then

35:24

like I went there after the breakup

35:27

and I was like, oh no, I just love which is lovely

35:29

as well to go back, go back, and I

35:31

love everything about this country is so great.

35:34

And I was really lucky to go

35:36

out with her and have it that she because she was really

35:38

proud of where she came from. And I

35:41

got to spend a lot more time, like you

35:43

know, immersed in that when I was over there with her

35:45

and meeting her family, you know, and like, there's

35:48

so much in that film. I just actually,

35:51

yeah, I really love it because the first time I saw it was when

35:54

sometimes time I went to New Zealand, I just had this is a

35:56

different break betimes I'm always getting I'm

35:58

always having breakups. But I just had a breakup

36:00

and I went to Yeah. Yeah, So

36:03

I went to New Zealand like a week after

36:05

having a breakup. I've never been before.

36:07

I was going for the comedy Festival, and

36:10

it was just like exactly what I needed.

36:12

I was very lucky something. You know, there's

36:14

loads of times when you're really lucky to have this job,

36:17

and that was one of the times of like, how fortunate

36:20

that this is my job and that I get to just go on

36:22

a plane. Yeah. And I went there and

36:24

I just had this amazing time discovering

36:26

this new place. It felt really good. And then someone

36:29

organized, someone called highly I love them.

36:31

She sorted out. She knew

36:33

most of us hadn't seen Boy. She was

36:36

like, we're going to watch it this afternoon

36:38

at the Classic, which is a venue, and she'd

36:40

like sorted out, look a big

36:43

TV got out and bought boy and she's

36:45

like, we want to watch it at this time, and come along, you want to watch

36:47

it, And so I went along and

36:49

it was unlike anything I've seen before. Really,

36:52

it was pretty beautiful film that makes you care

36:54

about all of the characters but never really puts

36:56

them in too much danger, and

36:58

yet you still feel worried for them the whole thing. It doesn't

37:00

really like it's a huge peril,

37:03

but it's just quite sad anyway. The certain taxes are quite

37:05

sad and so you just with them every

37:07

step of the way. And it's a very it's

37:10

a very funny film in parts as well, but

37:12

like it's really one of the kind. And

37:15

that was like the first time I saw in, it made me feel

37:17

really I've already kind of like

37:19

growing to love New Zealand anyway,

37:21

and that really locked it in of like because

37:24

it's such a New Zealand film, but not in a

37:26

way that there were some films that have been made

37:29

presumtive, but the one that would Jake

37:31

the muss In that everyone talks about. It's just like

37:33

the first what's it called, Where's a horrible

37:36

film about domestic violence? Oh? Wor

37:39

Yes, yes, and people associate

37:41

those kind of gritty films of New

37:43

Zealand a lot of the time, but it has to make films

37:45

are quite gritty and horrible and often

37:48

don't really celebrate the country much,

37:50

where the type of films I feel really

37:52

celebrate New Zealand and what's great

37:55

about it. And even though Pride

37:57

is the film that I try have the most, Boy

37:59

is getting there and Boy is the fastest I cry

38:01

at a film. Boy. I cry at the first

38:04

line immediate. But the first it opens and

38:06

it's it's a close up of boy,

38:09

right, so like it's just his

38:11

face, Yeah, his face

38:14

fills the screen and it says cure.

38:16

And then I cry immediately because

38:19

it's such a the open. It's

38:21

just like he's smiling and he's

38:23

saying something that I've only heard people saying in New

38:25

Zealand. They probably say it over places, but like it's

38:28

so such a an opening

38:30

of just then been proud of New Zealand

38:32

immediately, which especially because

38:35

there's a bit of a culture New Zealand from, you've got to

38:37

be humbling, not crouding yourself and stuff like that. And

38:40

so I don't maybe not crouding yourself, but not

38:42

big heading and not arrogant, but that opening is

38:44

just so proud of

38:46

their country and I've been there

38:48

and it just immediately makes me cry

38:50

straight away and I love

38:52

I love it, And yeah, that that first viewing

38:54

was just a very special thing. I feel like it's

38:57

so and it helped to heal

38:59

in your break it probably how many, Yeah,

39:01

both breakups that I mentioned, so like,

39:03

yeah, that first one definitely because it was like I

39:06

just needed to get away, go somewhere else, and

39:08

then realized there's this amazing place, all of amazing

39:10

people, and like I'm just having

39:13

that experience was great. And then

39:17

the other relationship where yeah, she was

39:19

probably New Zealand because I didn't

39:21

have any hard feelings towards her. She's

39:23

brilliant, And then a film like that kind

39:25

of just reminds me that, yeah, she's

39:28

brilliant and that that feels good. When

39:30

I was when my first girlfriend,

39:33

I was worth for three years and when

39:35

she broke up with me. The day she broke up with me, we

39:37

had tickets to a preview of Recling

39:40

for a Dream and because we'd

39:42

really liked the trainer and we'd liked yeah,

39:45

and I she broke she broke up with me, and I was

39:48

in my room sort of crying, and I was sad, and

39:50

then I thought, I'm not going to miss out on this, Like

39:52

I could stay here and cry, and I've got a ticket

39:54

to this film, and so I went

39:56

to see Well,

40:01

right, yeah, but

40:04

that's not me. No. I thought, well, I think

40:07

Recondre's but a happy ending, but that's

40:11

not one of the said famously when because

40:15

I feel like at the end of Reckon of Your Dream, everyone's

40:17

life's gonna get better. Everyone's lives canna

40:19

get better. Where it ends, it's like because they can't

40:21

get any because they

40:24

cry ends and you go, fuck you hear what

40:26

happened? Yeah, Recomend Dream Days. He's

40:28

clean. Now, it's gonna be a right, it's gonna get our business. He's gonna

40:30

be fine. She's in a mad coble where she's

40:32

mad and she's happy and she's on TV's

40:36

it's gonna be fine, and he's gonna go and get him and they're gonna

40:38

be loving being back to chemist the ending? How

40:41

you have got that from that? Speaking of sexy

40:44

films, what what's

40:48

it? I mean? Yeah, I know you're a very

40:50

you're very sexual animal,

40:53

what's the what's the film you

40:55

think is the sexiest? What's the film maybe

40:57

the most trouble in your pants? Yeah, so

41:00

it's not the film my finger is the sexiest. Now,

41:03

I don't know what film that would even be. I don't really

41:05

even watch films. A lot of things are so sexy,

41:07

not since the Rescue is Down and nort

41:11

But the only thing I've watched and I've

41:13

been like, this is so sexy was American

41:15

Pie because you because

41:18

of how old I was, I was thirteen.

41:20

Yeah, well, except the

41:23

sort of sexy in the main play is like revenge

41:26

porn, assault, isn't it what happens they

41:28

set up cameras and make her Yeah

41:31

thirteen. I'm not intellectual. I'm

41:33

just like, oh my god, there's boobs in

41:35

the film, like there was never that. I've

41:38

never seen that before in the film. No, and she's

41:40

beauty sexually means so

41:42

there was that. That's really there's

41:44

the hot mum the guy gets to sleep

41:47

with. That's really sexy. Oh

41:49

genuinely in that film. I

41:52

was like I would like sex.

41:55

I was like, I have sex with everyone right now? Whose

41:57

film has maybe the sexes

41:59

that the first time

42:02

probably thirteen. Well, I

42:05

don't know, Like I remember I've

42:07

spoke about this on other podcasts before,

42:09

but my my my awakening was

42:11

watching a cartoon. I

42:13

think it was a hand of barbera cartoon about two

42:16

eggs and a boy are going a girl like walking around

42:18

the kitchen and the boy and fancied the girl. They both

42:20

quite innocent looking little eggs, and the girl

42:22

leg falls into a pot of boiling water. But

42:25

then she comes out and she's really sexy, like

42:27

Sandy be at the end of yeah,

42:31

so yeah something she's like that, she's she's really mean,

42:33

and I was like, I want to egg

42:36

but like me, I

42:39

wanted the mean one explains why I'm

42:41

thirty three and singles still that's because I've always

42:43

gone for the long girls. Like

42:46

yeah, but like that was the first

42:48

time I was like, oh, I think, well,

42:51

the thing is he went from eggs to pie. I

42:53

mean there's a clear trajectory eggs

42:56

to pie. Yeah,

42:58

yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just interested

43:01

in the pie. Yeah

43:03

yeah, clearly that's the kind of stuff I should be watching.

43:06

Great British baser. Absolutely,

43:13

Hollywood, you Lucky Son ever done? Okay,

43:16

thank you, it's a good answer. Okay,

43:19

this one. The question is what is

43:21

the film that you most related

43:23

to? What film have you works? That's

43:25

me that whether the character or

43:27

the vibe of the film, or yes, now

43:31

you can be as arrogant as you one, or yeah,

43:33

whatever I think I'm doing. I think

43:35

I've maybe got this one wrong. Okay,

43:38

but it's a film. Maybe it's not that I

43:40

relate to. It relates

43:42

to how I fought about stuff, so put

43:45

the company. I was in a load of bands, and

43:47

the aim was never going to be necessarily

43:49

like seen Massive or Favors.

43:51

Yeah, it was to do something significant

43:54

with a music, make a difference. And always

43:56

felt like people always like you're never gonna

43:58

get a lot, especially in Captain.

44:01

You're not gonna get anywhere, and it's something

44:03

to happen, and you think just trying

44:05

and just doing it as enough, and this is and

44:07

that's kind of what I tell myself a

44:09

lot. But it's only me telling myself that don't

44:12

really have anyone else reinforcing that and

44:14

going, yeah, just you know, it's enough

44:16

that you're doing it. You probably you know, who knows.

44:18

You might write a song and then no one

44:20

hears it, but then ten years time, someone picks

44:23

it up and lights. Yeah, there's never that. But I

44:25

was trying to say to myself that, mighty, if you're

44:27

doing something that you really like, other

44:29

people will find it. Eventually they're like it. And

44:32

it's a film called fish Story. It's a lesbian

44:35

film. No, no, that's pay fish Story.

44:38

But you know, of course, of course you've heard of that

44:40

one and not this one. But what

44:43

is it? So it's a film about it's

44:45

about the band Yes, who are

44:48

recording a it's

44:50

a single, and they find out while

44:52

they're recording it it might even be an album. They find

44:55

out while they're recording it that they're getting

44:57

dropped from the label and that this is the last album

44:59

and that they and they got nothing

45:01

in this band besides, and they're

45:03

splitting up, and they

45:06

record this final song and he's

45:08

using lyrics that he's he got

45:10

from a book that he read, which is a book that

45:13

no one's heard of, and that like, you

45:15

know, never never did any business. And I

45:17

think there's only like I remember in the film

45:19

now, but if there's like even only one copy of it, he's got

45:21

hold of it. It's like something ridiculous. There's this story

45:24

behind this book. Who moves them, and while

45:26

he's singing it, he makes a speech to

45:29

the record label kind of saying it how

45:31

much he doesn't care about that they're dropping them. And

45:33

then when they're like a label released the album, they

45:35

cut his speech out, but they leave it. There's

45:37

a silence, so there's a song,

45:40

and then there's this block of silence, and then the song starts

45:42

again, and then it's like a little kind

45:44

of cult album and people have theories

45:47

about the silence and it's like a haunted

45:49

fit or something like that, and it's all

45:51

like through different times. So the next kind

45:53

of time period is someone going home.

45:55

It's kind of quite weaky guy. He gets pushed around

45:58

by a lot of people driving home on his own and

46:00

this songs in the take deck and the silence

46:02

come on. And during the silence, he hears a scream

46:04

and he stops and realizes there's a woman

46:06

getting assaulted, and he goes up to try

46:09

and help her. I think he just like fades

46:11

out on that he don't really see what happens. And

46:13

then there's never seen. That's like on a boat

46:16

and he's terrorists takeover the boat.

46:18

And then one of the passengers is

46:20

this boy who just

46:23

it's like a martial arts master,

46:25

like it's an indestructible kid just

46:28

takes them all on on his own stories.

46:30

And one of them passages this girl who was asleep,

46:33

and he goes saves her life basically, and

46:35

then she goes to school, does

46:37

really well, becomes like a genius mathematician.

46:40

And then there's an asteroid heading for Earth that's

46:42

going to kill everybody in the future.

46:46

Yes, and then she is

46:48

the whole plot of the film. But you had to yeah,

46:53

exactly, this isn't that's what I was like a kid. But

46:55

then she's basically the mathematician who

46:57

figures out how to stop the asteroid. So if

47:00

that band has also also the

47:03

word also the kid is like the color

47:05

food Master, the marti arts master. Yeah,

47:07

is the child of the guy and the woman

47:10

in the by the side of the Roads, the

47:12

guy who saves that woman. They go out

47:14

and then he trains the kids in a way to be a wimp like him.

47:16

Where's a good fish Story? The book is called

47:18

fish Story that he leaves, and then

47:20

the song is called fish Story that they like. So it's kind

47:23

of about if you do anything creative, it's

47:25

taking it to the ms degree. And going you could be a little

47:28

shitty punk band who no one listens to and

47:30

you saved the world. I think I like that you

47:32

related to that. But I would say, if you want to

47:34

be sort of a creative person that no one

47:37

sees, and then you'll discovered many

47:39

of you do and don't think yourself a Netflix

47:42

well actually changed the

47:44

thing. No, it's

47:46

not, you know, it's

47:48

still like it's basically the whole thing about it's

47:51

just worth it to try. You know, it's

47:53

positive whatever you're doing, and if you're being creative,

47:56

it's having a positive effect. And you can when

47:58

you were in your band. Yeah, if that yeah,

48:00

And but it just takes it to It's like it

48:03

takes that theory to its most preposterous

48:06

limits. It's a bit tarantine. I asked

48:08

the film and there's

48:10

is great montage at the end where

48:12

they just showed everything in order, so they showed the guys

48:14

talking to get his book made and how it eventually

48:16

leads to the world being safe, and

48:19

it's it's just quite It's like that

48:21

in School of Rock. Both made me feel

48:24

like just work it a try and be creative,

48:26

that's all it is. There's like there's enough to just try

48:31

one of the best films. So great, so amazing.

48:33

Yeah, what's interesting about history?

48:35

It is Actually it sounds a bit like finally

48:38

this mess in terms of this to

48:40

this to this. Yeah, but it's the

48:42

opposite leads to saying that yeah, yeah

48:45

good at the end, Yeah yeah yeah,

48:48

music will save us all. Yeah, that's I still

48:50

believe that, you believe that's it? Yeah, I mean music,

48:52

music gets me food. Yeah,

48:55

anything, it's great, it's amazing, magical,

48:57

believe that. Yeah. Side note, and

49:00

what's the film with the best soundtrack? You

49:02

can only have one. I like a lot of

49:04

films that John Brian does the music for. Yes,

49:07

and my favorite,

49:09

Yeah, I Habes

49:12

was nearly my film that I loved at the

49:14

time when ye now, so there's a bit too much of its

49:16

time. And also David Mussel has made much better

49:18

films since. But I Hybes is

49:20

great soundtrack, Maybe that would be it. Or

49:22

we come back to that, what film do

49:25

you think is Objectively it might not be your

49:27

favorite film, but you are like, technically

49:30

that is the greatest film of all time, in the same

49:32

way critics usually say Citizen Came

49:34

or Vertigo. It might be your favorite,

49:36

but you go, oh, yeah, that's fair enough. That's the

49:38

greatest film ever. Oh okay, so

49:41

I interpret this one has been my favorite one,

49:44

but you know, and something like

49:46

something like shins and shittiz. This is a great

49:48

film. But I don't think you're gonna go, well, let's

49:50

pitch in this list. Sure, it's Friday

49:53

night. I think

49:55

if I was to say the quotes director of all

49:57

time once, I'd say, standing Kubrick. Okay,

50:00

it's when do you think its greatest film? Then I guess

50:02

the greatest films probably the only one that I

50:04

didn't like all the way through it, which is great

50:07

someone I'd say it's the one that I would say, like if

50:10

someone was saying, will show me the greatest

50:12

time? Yeah, aliens, come, you can only turn one for them

50:14

one? And what's the greatest film? Is this medium

50:16

of film? Like I might and I

50:19

didn't like it two

50:21

thousand and one great Like I'll

50:24

probably show up that, but I'll go listen

50:26

aliens. Before I watched this from

50:28

disclosure, I like the bait of the monkeys at

50:30

the beginning, and I really love the

50:32

house story and everything else.

50:36

I'm going to fast forward it, okay in

50:38

the game, Yeah,

50:41

yeah, Okay,

50:44

this is a very long I wish the film was

50:46

just the how thing, and I would

50:48

like it more. But then if it was just the

50:50

how thing for the whole film, I might not show

50:53

it to people as an example of here's like yeah, because

50:55

that the whole thing is like you still get

50:57

to the end and go, well, that's impressive,

51:00

said Basing that he did that. It's incredible

51:02

obviously that he did it before. Yeah,

51:04

people went to the moon and ship Yeah yeah, yeah,

51:07

yeah before yeah

51:09

before did he hope

51:12

they saw that they he could do meant

51:15

yeah, he didn't moon land and then they put clues in the shining

51:17

that he done the moon landing. Apparently I

51:20

know all about it. Yeah, before we get to

51:22

the fundal pissing, when Bonus qussing and

51:24

I just went, I don't know, being too negative, but

51:27

if we could quickly go with what do you think

51:29

it's the worst it? What's your what's the worst

51:31

film you've ever seen? Reminition staring

51:33

Sandra book on paper. That sounds fun.

51:36

She lives a week in the wrong order, so

51:38

that's great, and her husband dies, so

51:41

Dave one. Her husband dies in

51:43

a lorry accident, and

51:48

then she wakes up the next morning and

51:50

it's his life. It's earlier

51:52

in the week and she wakes up again it's the funeral.

51:56

So she's figuring out hold a saving

51:58

and that sounds great, sounds that finally

52:00

there's a nation. It is awful born

52:04

and le written right. It doesn't

52:06

work the end. It is ridiculous

52:08

that she ends up being the one who kills him in the car.

52:12

But like sounds so good, it's absolutely

52:14

awful. It's so bad. I

52:16

would have walked out the cinema, but when I saw it, I

52:18

can only I couldn't really afford to go to the cinema very often,

52:21

so I'm like, well, here

52:23

I am I going to watch it. It was absolutely

52:25

hormendous. I tell

52:28

this story on podcast. You and

52:31

I, I think one of the significant

52:33

times where I made a decision about

52:35

what I think about art and stuff happened

52:37

with you because you and I on a

52:39

date to see to

52:42

see the film Snowtown. Yes, Snowtown,

52:45

which is about the true story of a serial

52:47

killer in Australia, and it is such

52:50

a depressing, bleak, horrible

52:53

film that although I think technically

52:55

it's very well made, I hate that film.

52:57

I think it's I don't know why it exists,

53:00

said, don't know what it was, and there

53:02

was We were sat there an

53:05

hour in and we've played twenty quitter ticket

53:07

and it was like and about

53:10

an hour into an already horrendously bleak

53:12

film, one brother wrestles his other

53:14

brother to the floor and starts ranking him,

53:17

and the camera just stays in the cord, just

53:19

watching a boy be raped by brother. And

53:21

I turned to James and I said that, said

53:23

to take because I thought, what are

53:26

we doing here? Why? And

53:29

it made me realize that my big theory,

53:31

which is the drama without

53:33

jokes, without humor in it, is

53:36

bad art. It means

53:38

you have not looked at life, You've not understood

53:40

life. Because when you read true stories

53:42

of the Holocaust, people in concentration camps,

53:45

they make jokes like that people

53:47

make people. There are moments of humor

53:50

even in the darkest shit. And if your film doesn't

53:52

have a fucking jokes in it, you have failed.

53:56

It's bad art, right fucking

54:00

just about the seat, tragic, heartbreaking,

54:02

larious, Lady of Jacks. There's still some jokes

54:04

in there. I mean you have to dig deep to

54:06

find them, but like, yeah, there's still some jokes in Manchester

54:08

by the Sea anyway, But Manchester by the Sea has

54:11

also I would say it has

54:13

relatable stuff in it. Snowtown,

54:16

Yeah, it doesn't have a bit where you go, oh

54:18

yeah, that's like unless you've been

54:20

through any of that horrific shit, yeah, it's

54:23

not. And even then if you have, it's not a relatable

54:25

thing in a good way, you know, like in Manchester

54:28

by the Sea, you can go okay, yeah, even

54:31

though I've not been for any of this stuff, I

54:33

can see how like a human

54:35

beings, you know, empathize them, imagine

54:38

that happened to you. I don't. I can see how many feels

54:40

like that and he is

54:42

in this awful position and when sh and you really

54:44

feel for them all. And with Snowtown, it's

54:46

like, this is just horrible. Yeah, it was really

54:49

horrible thing after a horrible thing,

54:51

and I have to know that it really happened,

54:54

and the world is horrible. Yeah,

54:57

really awful, really awful. But

54:59

at least that it got a reaction out of

55:01

me that I was like, oh, that's so hard. When it really

55:04

messed with me, permonition was like,

55:06

no, I just hate it. It's just about this is

55:08

boring and it's bad. It's

55:11

ridiculous. And also I hate it when people take a what

55:13

it's quite a good idea? Who

55:16

fell over the bar and admitted it? So like,

55:19

yeah, okay. So to end

55:21

on a more positive I'm sorry for being

55:24

bafly negative there. So this is

55:27

the final question is not what is

55:29

the greatest film? What is the film that you

55:32

I guess it depends on your definition.

55:34

I'd said this is your favorite film? What's the film that

55:36

you could watch the mazed forever or

55:38

have watched them very happy, said

55:40

to you, Oh, that film is when you've been a great let's

55:42

watch it again. Sure? Why would you say

55:45

this is our favorite this is your favorite films?

55:47

It's when you could watch over and over because I think this is

55:49

my favorite film, It's one of my favorite films. So

55:52

this is final tap is my answer. The

55:54

filone could watch over and over again because

55:56

I have watched it over and over again and I know I can

55:58

do it. No one I've seen them my us out of any film.

56:01

The last time I saw it was at the cinema because

56:04

they was doing the screening, and it's the

56:06

only time I've been in a cinema where the

56:08

last We're all at

56:11

the start of each scene, so literally the scene

56:13

would open and the audience would laugh because we

56:15

all knew what was going to happen. And I mean we weren't necessarily

56:17

laughing at the jokes, but like, you know, so I

56:22

can't wait for this because it would open it being his

56:24

hands playing the piano. I'm gonna

56:26

be lit. My love public is so funny. It's

56:28

gonna be that scene. And so like every

56:31

bit of that film, every line is funny.

56:33

You could just completely get lost in all

56:36

of it. Like I watched it for the first

56:38

time, didn't think it was funny. Me and my brother watched

56:40

it. I was like, why are people talking about that

56:42

film? And then we started quoting it even though

56:44

we didn't like it, and we were like, well,

56:46

like we're quoting it, maybe we watch it again. And we watched

56:48

it again. It was the best film would ever seen, so funny.

56:51

And then I had it on video, would take it off

56:53

TV, and I just went around all

56:55

of my friends house, was like, you got to watch it, and maybe

56:57

all my friends watch it? And did they not like it? They

57:01

liked it actually, or some of them just with them didn't.

57:03

But my friend Jake and my friend two of

57:05

my friends really liked it and so they

57:08

wanted to also show up other people. So

57:10

it was always watching the people. And then

57:12

I went to college to do a music course and

57:15

met my friend Graham that I'm still friends with now,

57:17

who I was in loads of bands with. But his favorite

57:19

film was also Spinal Town, so we were quoting

57:22

it all the time. So all the time

57:24

I just kept on it. Where it college

57:27

Northampton, of having we did a b tech course

57:29

in music practice many

57:31

women. Yeah, yeah, well

57:34

no, no one have broke up with me. I don't think having a proper golfriend

57:36

at that. I've never know, but like busy

57:39

masturbating two eggs, yeah, thank you. Yeah.

57:43

Yeah. If we were ever in a music shop,

57:46

we had to go up to the guitars and going still

57:48

with the old tag line. Still

57:51

I've never even played it. I like having

57:53

to do stuff like that all the time. And

57:56

so the one I enjoyed watching the most over and over

57:58

again. So what's yours? You said

58:00

that isn't your favorite? What's your favorite film? And then I guess

58:02

we haven't asked that, Yeah, what is

58:04

your favorite film? It's a turn

58:06

of sunchild of Spotless Man. That is,

58:10

of course it is. Of course it is. Did you even

58:12

have to ask? Surely? You know that's

58:14

my favorite film. It's got the John Bran

58:16

sound John brands a soundtrack. It's about

58:19

a brain tap. Yeah, it's sad, but

58:21

it's poppit. It's funny. It's funny, it

58:24

looks beautiful. It looks beautiful. It's whimsical,

58:26

innovative. Yeah, also

58:29

very mismatched couple. Yeah,

58:31

also what I like about it? So I like

58:33

everyone who's involved in that film. Yeah, And

58:36

I really like Michelle Gondry and

58:38

I really like Charlie Kaufman.

58:42

But that film is just the perfect

58:44

marriage for both of them in that I don't

58:47

I don't think either of them. I

58:49

liked Senectic Key New York film.

58:51

I really liked it. But I think the things that you signed

58:54

me the most of them. So I do like films

58:56

that are really, you know, difficulty

58:58

and not everyone's gonna like be. But my

59:00

favorite films are Wanted that managed to be

59:02

innovative and yet accessible. And

59:06

that film is so creative,

59:08

so inventive and original and yet

59:11

relatable accessible opinion.

59:14

People who like mainstream films could like

59:16

that film, you know, and enjoy it

59:18

and I don't think there's anything about

59:21

it that I don't like. Also, Jim

59:23

Carey, he's amazing and

59:26

I like him with loads of films, but like I've watched him

59:28

growing up, you know. My first obstruction to him so as a kid,

59:30

and it was all of his you know, more wacky like big

59:33

you know, I mean when he probably blew up

59:35

with dumb and dumba in the mask and as

59:37

mature and they were all like back to back and

59:39

he was great. So I loved him

59:41

as a kid, one of my favorite actors

59:43

because I was watching comedy films all the time. So

59:46

then to be an adult or

59:48

in my twenties and see him in this film that

59:50

I've really related to. But it's this guy who I've grown up

59:52

with and love anyway, and then see him

59:54

and now he's doing a film I can really relate to on

59:57

a different level, is quite special. Definitely,

1:00:00

when I watched it around that time was the time to

1:00:02

be watching films like Garden State

1:00:04

and stuff like that and thinking those kind of female

1:00:06

characters, what kind of people wanted to be with, and

1:00:08

so she kind of fit into that. But then you watch it

1:00:10

as an adult, you go, oh, she's not that. She's

1:00:13

literally him Charlie Kampman

1:00:15

saying those tens of bullshit because

1:00:17

she's literally saying I'm not I'm not gonna solve anything

1:00:20

for you, I'm not all this, and

1:00:22

like, oh, yeah, she's great. Like even

1:00:24

now you can watch it and being like I realized

1:00:27

it's the only Charlie capern film that's sort

1:00:29

of optimistic. Is the most

1:00:31

uptimistices films, I think most of

1:00:33

them are pretty I loved him. I

1:00:35

think he's brilliant. Yeah, I think he's I

1:00:38

find what's the one, the first

1:00:40

one being D's

1:00:42

one of the saddest films. Yeah, that's

1:00:44

the Matilda of It's

1:00:46

such a dark, sad ending. Although

1:00:49

also the end of when it makes me laugh when Charlie

1:00:51

Sheen goes on his house because the nicknames

1:00:54

for each other, I'm just hilarious. Malcatrazes

1:01:00

Machine Machine

1:01:02

is such a deliberately rubbish nickname,

1:01:05

like they deliberately wrote a band

1:01:07

nickname. Yeah, I can't

1:01:10

got in the first ham for my

1:01:12

source adaptation. Yeah, there's a lot of

1:01:14

nods to be in Joan Malkovich. But you do think you

1:01:16

need to watch that film, but I

1:01:18

loved it. It was like nothing I'd ever seen before,

1:01:21

And so I would watch Everything's Going Done. And I

1:01:23

didn't really know Michelle Gondrew very well, but like

1:01:25

going to see a tonal Sunshine and being like, Oh,

1:01:28

that's that's just what I want to

1:01:30

I always want to watch that. Now, Okay,

1:01:32

James, there will be next some answers. I

1:01:35

just found out that when you dad

1:01:37

in the quicksand you swallowed a lot

1:01:39

of it and it made your your corpse.

1:01:42

But like so much that there's any room

1:01:44

for one of these films in your

1:01:46

coffin. Yeah, So which of

1:01:48

the films that you've discussed it you're going to take with you

1:01:51

forever? There's the only film you're gonna have in

1:01:53

heaven. I can watch it, you can watch it,

1:01:55

and you can show it to people in heaven, but you

1:01:58

can't take it. It's the only it's gonna do any film

1:02:00

and having So, is it gonna be Tennis? Is

1:02:03

it going to be or finally

1:02:06

Destination five? Three?

1:02:09

Some good picks. I think it's gonna

1:02:11

be. I've got to take that with me. I

1:02:13

would be the one that I'd want to I've

1:02:17

been watching it over and over. It's fine time and watch it

1:02:19

every day and it's fine, but that's terns trying

1:02:21

the one that i'd want to show it to people have

1:02:23

a bit of a break, but I don't want to really things

1:02:27

do want to watch it again?

1:02:30

Would just be watching over and over. Yeah, let's do

1:02:32

some gardening. Yeah, and also I think

1:02:34

there's always things I do always every time

1:02:36

I watch it. Tell us I'm trying to spot something different.

1:02:39

Yeah, I think it'd be that you have to be that. I feel

1:02:42

bad that I haven't. I just want to say, for the record,

1:02:44

my favorite director is with with Anderson and

1:02:46

now we can move on. I feel bad I'm treasure

1:02:48

then of his films. He's your he's

1:02:50

your favorite, my favorite director and not

1:02:53

yet but yeah,

1:02:56

I couldn't feel it like him that much. I mean maybe I'm

1:02:58

even going off of him, but like I

1:03:00

think it's my favorite. I don't think about

1:03:02

films. They're not matured at any point, but

1:03:05

like, yeah, find

1:03:07

a category that you fit into. Your company

1:03:09

is currently being learned. You're going even

1:03:14

though liked

1:03:16

it could be great?

1:03:19

Yeah, James, I'm going to let you

1:03:22

go to heaven. You've earned it,

1:03:24

And may I say thank you so much. Past

1:03:27

May I say as as we end

1:03:29

it that you are the inturn

1:03:31

of sunshine spots of people

1:03:34

in a whimsical and original

1:03:36

and inventive and brilliant but also accessible

1:03:39

and people can get you. I'm a bit largin

1:03:42

carry and a bit like Kate Winslet.

1:03:44

Oh yeah, you're not who they say you are.

1:03:47

Thank you so much, Solve you guys, thank

1:03:49

you so much for coming. Thank you really

1:03:52

enjoyed this. You're a lovely

1:03:54

Corey. Stop thanking over

1:03:56

X. Good day. So

1:04:02

that was episode one. I hope you enjoyed it.

1:04:04

I'd like to thank Scrubius, Pip and the Distraction

1:04:07

Pieces Network for all the help they've put into making

1:04:09

this happen. I'd like to thank Buddy Peace for

1:04:11

editing and producing it. I'd like to thank Acast

1:04:14

for hosting it. I'd like to thank Adam Richardson

1:04:16

for the amazing graphics and Lisa Liden

1:04:18

for the amazing photography. You can find

1:04:21

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1:04:23

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1:04:28

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1:04:34

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1:04:37

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