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Look, hell, it's only films to be buried

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once famously said, music expresses

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their life through the films that meant the most of them. Previous

0:43

guests include Barry Jenkins, Sharon

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Stone, and even Brett Lambles.

0:47

But this week it's the brilliant

0:49

and incredible comedian. It's Taylor

0:52

Tomlinson. The first three

0:54

episodes of Shrinking, the show co created

0:56

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0:58

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1:03

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1:22

stand up. You can see her two specials

1:25

on Netflix. They're amazing, or you can go

1:27

and see her new stuff on tour. If you're

1:29

in London, she is doing some shows there soon,

1:31

I think for the first time, so definitely go and

1:33

see as she will blow your mind. I'd

1:35

met her a couple of times at gigs before this, and

1:37

I was very excited to get her on the podcast. She is

1:40

a real delight. We recorded this on Zoom

1:42

the other day and I really think you're gonna love

1:44

it. So that is it for now. I

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very much hope you enjoy episode

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two hundred and thirty three of

1:50

Films to be Buried With. Hello,

2:02

and welcome to Films to be Buried With.

2:05

It is me Brett Gostein, and I'm

2:07

enjoined today by an actor,

2:09

a writer, a producer,

2:12

a TikToker, a buddy rocker,

2:14

a last comic standinger, a Netflix

2:17

superstar and genuinely one

2:19

of the greatest stand ups that we

2:22

have working today. She's

2:24

an absolute mind blower. I cannot believe

2:26

we've got her on the show. Can you believe it?

2:28

I can't. Is she here? She is? Well, she

2:30

speaks, so you better believe it. Kid, here

2:33

we go. It's only she's here,

2:35

it is Taylor Tablin said,

2:40

I was drying so hard not to laugh over here.

2:43

You're very expensive, Oh,

2:45

dishonest and troll? How

2:47

are you? What is fabulous treats?

2:50

What a treat? I'm great? How are you

2:53

good? Is he good to see

2:55

you? We met very briefly

2:57

at the improv once are your favorite?

3:00

Get the improv? I thought, I meant you are at Largo?

3:02

Oh yeah, we did Largo, and then we did improv

3:05

with you. And did we do the imp Yeah?

3:08

Yeah we did. Okay, and you

3:11

are astonishing comedian.

3:13

I think your last Netflix special is

3:15

incredible, and I also think you

3:18

do the thing that puts you in the top

3:20

ten category. That is really

3:22

funny, definitely funny, excellent funny, but also

3:25

such a worker as in jokes on

3:27

jokes on jokes on jokes. Every line has

3:30

forty jokes, did it? You're fucking

3:32

good at it. You're very very good. Oh,

3:34

thanks nice. And

3:37

I was thinking about it because I remember I

3:39

wondered if you felt this or feel

3:41

this like you started young and you had

3:43

your first special at twenty five, and

3:45

I know comics and

3:48

I know people, and I know that

3:50

that is that puts you in a position

3:52

of like, who's this fucking kid? How

3:54

darehy? Which is why I always

3:57

I wondered if like your sort

3:59

of work ethic came just naturally that's

4:01

how you always are, or if it was like I really need

4:03

to prove myself because people are going to be like, who's this fucking

4:06

child having a guy? You know what I mean? No,

4:08

Oh, it absolutely comes from that.

4:11

That's my inner dialogue is who's this fucking

4:14

kid all the time, because yeah, it was. I

4:16

was sixteen when I started, and so for

4:18

years and I'm sure, look, I

4:20

think anybody who's successful in this business

4:23

knows that there are a lot of reasons

4:26

why people get opportunities, and like,

4:28

I'm sure me being younger helped

4:31

me get certain opportunities, and so

4:33

you just try to work hard and be worthy of them

4:35

when you get them. But oh my god. Yeah, I was so

4:37

scared that everyone was going to be like this

4:40

sucks and she's got it because she's

4:42

a child and this was a fluke

4:44

and we're never going to let her do anything again. So

4:46

I was really glad when they gave me another one, and

4:48

I felt like this one was like, Okay, let's

4:51

like prove it that we're actually

4:53

like one of the guys, one of the comedians.

4:56

I mean, you're beyond Do you

4:58

think when you get oh, Joe, just

5:00

stuck coasting, because you'll be like, yeah, I'm out now

5:02

I have to talk to I

5:04

desert to me. I

5:07

certainly hope. So, I mean it

5:09

hasn't happened yet. I would have thought that

5:11

I could coast. Back when I was younger. I thought, once

5:14

I have a Netflix special, I'll coast. And

5:16

then I got a Netflix special and I was like, well, I can't

5:18

coast because that might have been a fluke. Then I

5:20

got the second one and I was like, well, now I can coast,

5:22

And now I'm like no, it's it's

5:24

never been harder to coast.

5:27

I feel like you have to be doing everything now

5:29

you can never coast, Like,

5:31

like, especially with social media being

5:34

what it is. Like, I have a social media manager

5:36

who's you know, she's twenty four, and she's amazing

5:38

and great, and she's always telling me to post

5:40

every day, and I'm like, I think I'm

5:43

like one of the people who's doing a good job

5:45

at this, and I feel like I don't do enough,

5:47

Like I'm writing jokes that are just

5:49

for the internet, and then I have

5:51

my hour and then I have, you

5:54

know, sort of like the next hour started

5:56

before we film that one, so we have a jumping off point.

5:58

Like you just have to pro do so

6:00

much material and so much content

6:03

now in a way that you've just never had

6:05

to before. That's made me really depressed.

6:08

I'm so sorry. I mean, yeah, I'm coasting

6:13

good time out here. My question

6:15

to you is I didn't see

6:17

it at the time, and I'm interested. I'm always interested in everyone

6:19

on this. Like when you do standup, do you get nervous?

6:22

I mean, you do it all the time, But do you get nervous before

6:24

a gig? Or is it easy stepping

6:26

on stage every day? I

6:28

think it depends what it is and where it

6:31

is. I mean, I don't get nervous most of the

6:33

time anymore. When I was younger, I

6:35

had really bad stage fright. I would get like

6:37

nauseous for a week. It was

6:39

really tough when I was younger, but especially

6:42

now, like having an audience, It

6:44

is so nice to walk out on stage

6:47

for people who paid to specifically

6:49

see you, Like, you know, it's so different

6:51

than going out and winning over people

6:54

who are just there for a comedy or for someone

6:56

else. Like, It's much much easier

6:59

in terms of nerves. So I don't get

7:01

nervous so much anymore. I'll get nervous for

7:03

weird things, like if it's a

7:06

show I've been nervous about, it's

7:08

usually because like you know, my manager

7:10

and agents came to see the New Hour,

7:12

or I have a friend there you

7:15

know that doesn't see me perform very

7:17

much, or that's awful

7:19

in it. Yeah, I get more nervous performing

7:22

in town. I get more nervous going to like the

7:24

comedy store or the comedy seller because

7:27

of just god, I hope everyone here

7:29

thinks I'm good and funny. Like on

7:31

the road, you don't really get nervous, feel like, I mean,

7:34

if this is bad, because I'm going to see it,

7:37

I'm gonna know. Except for these twelve hundred

7:39

people. Sorry, sorry, guys.

7:43

What about your

7:45

last special, which is truly fucking brilliant.

7:48

It was all about I believe

7:50

the entire out was about mental house. Basically

7:53

a lot of it was. Yeah, not the whole thing,

7:55

but a lot of it. Yeah, that's a theme,

7:58

and it's really really good. It's you

8:01

know, wise and really funny.

8:03

And I wondered if that

8:06

was an early choice, like I'm going to do

8:08

an hour about this I wanted to talk about

8:10

this stuff, or whether that just came from I

8:12

got less of stuff that seems to be on this theme

8:14

and then became an hour. Yeah. No, it wasn't

8:17

a plan at all. I mean, I think for

8:19

my first special, Quarter Life Crisis, that was

8:21

very much like I took more

8:24

serious jokes out and saved them

8:26

because I wanted that hour to just be

8:28

about being in your twenties and be sort

8:30

of thematically consistent. And

8:33

then the second hour sort

8:35

of just evolved until

8:37

it became like the first half is

8:39

about mental health and grief. I

8:41

think, or maybe even forty minutes of it is

8:44

because I knew I wanted to do jokes

8:46

about losing my mom as a kid, but I didn't

8:49

know how much of it was going to

8:51

be in the hour. I think it just expanded

8:54

until it was more than I expected

8:56

it to be. And then I got diagnosed with

8:58

bipolar two months

9:00

before we filmed it, and initially

9:03

yeah, it's yeah. So initially I was like,

9:05

I'm not gonna talk about this on stage at

9:07

all. And then I was, you

9:09

know, working on the Hour, and I

9:12

think I try to joke about it maybe like Kentucky.

9:14

I was just like, ah, this is just a new one, let

9:16

me see. And it did really well, and I just

9:19

tend to write about stuff that's happening to me. So

9:22

it just sort of happened and it moved

9:25

up in the hour, and by the time we

9:27

were filming it, I was like, oh, this is like four

9:30

minutes in, we're getting into this. It

9:32

was very I mean, both both

9:34

specials I've done, and I'm sure this one will be the same

9:37

way. Sort of the like five

9:39

months before it came out, something

9:41

big happened in my life that sort of changed

9:44

the entire direction of the hour, like changed

9:47

a big portion of it in a big way, which

9:49

is I think the really cool thing about stand up is you just

9:51

never know what life's gonna throwout

9:53

you if you are a very personal

9:56

comedian, like, I don't know if you feel like this. I feel like you're

9:58

pretty personal, right, You're not like

10:00

topical and observational so much as you're personal.

10:03

Right, I'm pretty personal. I was going to ask

10:05

you, but then I thought, actually, maybe you can't

10:07

answered this because for obvious

10:09

reasons. But is there anything that you won't

10:12

talk about those states? I'm guessing you're not gonna tell

10:14

me what that would be because you don't talk about it in a podcast.

10:16

But or are you in theory

10:18

I've been to talking about anything. You

10:20

know? That's interesting because lately I've

10:22

been less willing to talk

10:24

about certain things. I think when I was younger,

10:27

I was like, I will write jokes

10:29

about anything, and over

10:31

the years I've gotten better, and luckily

10:34

I got better at this. Before I

10:36

was doing specials about

10:38

like if I write jokes about you know, an X

10:41

or something, I will disguise

10:43

it so you can't tell or figure out who it

10:45

is, or it's not too personal or

10:47

two pointed. I always say, like

10:49

I dated someone years ago, like it's it's

10:52

never like I just went through a breakup,

10:54

Like I try to be sensitive

10:56

about that. I mean, before the

10:58

last special came out, I sent my

11:01

aunt all the jokes about losing

11:03

my mom, which you know, none of the jokes were about

11:05

my mother specifically, but I

11:07

didn't want her to see it and feel like

11:10

I was being disrespectful or

11:12

poking fun at you know, the greatest tragedy

11:14

of her life, as well as mine, because I just don't

11:17

think. I don't think. I don't think a joke

11:19

is worth your relationships, Like,

11:22

I just don't think it is, yea. And yeah,

11:24

there's certain things now that I'm like, no, I

11:26

don't know, Maybe we don't have to get into that, or I've

11:29

learned to wait on certain things and

11:31

go, you know what, let's just see

11:33

how we feel about this in six months and

11:36

then hopefully talk about it from

11:38

a more balanced, mature perspective.

11:41

Because when you first write jokes about

11:44

a breakup or a difficult parental

11:46

relationship or what have you, it

11:49

comes out much harsher I think

11:51

than yes, because you're coming from such a hurt

11:53

place. I mean, have you found that I don't know

11:56

how? Like same question,

11:58

do you I guess whatever? Thing

12:00

that My first two stand

12:02

up shows were incredibly personal, but they were

12:04

also about things that were quite

12:06

a long time ago, so I'd

12:09

left enough time that it felt like a I

12:11

can make proper jokes about this without

12:13

it being too sad

12:15

or too dark, but also the

12:18

people involved and now far enough away

12:20

from it, as in I'm disguising everyone. But still,

12:22

you know, I always remember going

12:25

I won't name these people. I hope

12:27

this is okay. I went to the

12:29

Edinburgh Festival, which I went to a lot, and

12:31

there were two I always think about

12:34

this. There were two shows. They were

12:36

two basically dead mum shows. There

12:38

were a show a guy talking about

12:40

his mum and dad and the guy talking about his mom was like both shows,

12:43

and one of them was quite recent,

12:45

and one of them was long ago. And the one that was long ago

12:48

was a great show. It was very moving and it

12:50

was very funny and it was great and

12:52

I felt as an audience watching

12:54

it, I was like, this is really good because he's

12:56

doing all this quite deep, difficult

12:58

stuff, but I feel safe here because

13:00

I can tell he's okay. Ultimately

13:03

he's okay. And the other guy it

13:05

was too raw, and I guess, you know, you could

13:07

argue, well, that's interesting. It was interesting, but

13:10

I felt in danger as an

13:12

audience. I felt worried for him.

13:14

I sort of wanted to go, are

13:16

you okay? Like I kept, I almost wanted

13:18

to like, heckle, are you okay?

13:21

Because it didn't feel I

13:23

always I felt like, you're not ready to talk

13:26

about this. I get that you're doing it, but

13:28

you haven't processed any of this enough to

13:30

make a good comedy show. What you what

13:32

we're doing here is feels unsafe,

13:35

feels like, yeah, I'm worried

13:37

about I'm really worried about you. So I'm not sure

13:39

this is a good show, you know what I mean? Yeah,

13:42

but there's also you know, you always hear that

13:44

Tignatario set where she's

13:46

just found out she's got CONC is an amazing set

13:48

and that's immediate, you know, like

13:51

I guess depends, it

13:53

depends. Yeah, yeah, it depends if you're a genius

13:56

or not. Helps

14:00

if you're a genius like Tik Nataro. Yeah,

14:02

no, I think that's one hundred percent

14:04

true. I again, not

14:06

to harp on my Dead Mom material, but

14:08

the Dead Mom jokes and look at you like a few

14:10

of them I had tried to do when I was, you know,

14:12

twenty one, twenty two, and I just hadn't gone to

14:15

enough therapy and I hadn't worked through enough of it,

14:17

and I really did think I

14:19

was fine, and I would get frustrated with

14:21

audiences. And also part of it

14:23

is like I was just too young, like nobody believed

14:25

I was okay. I wasn't okay with anything.

14:27

I was like a mess, And even

14:30

now I try to be respectful

14:32

of that when I'm working on material. If

14:35

I feel like like there was some material I was

14:37

doing about a difficult

14:39

relationship in my family that still

14:42

is very painful for me, and I had

14:44

turned it into material, and some nights

14:46

that felt like justice, and

14:48

then other nights it felt like, oh

14:50

my god, why did I even bring this up right now?

14:53

Like not because it wouldn't go well. It was all

14:55

working, but it was a lot

14:57

for me to act like I was okay

15:00

when I'm just not yet. And I'm like,

15:02

you can talk about this later, like these are

15:04

ever green jokes that you can do in

15:06

a year or two or never, Like it's

15:08

also okay to just never do certain jokes.

15:11

But right now, you are, as

15:13

you said, too raw, and I think you

15:15

just have to as you mature as a

15:17

performer. I think you get better at recognizing

15:20

that about yourself, and in the same

15:22

way you like learn to live with anxiety and depression.

15:24

You just go, oh, I wish I didn't feel that way

15:26

right now, but I do. So we're going to be gentle

15:29

and wait until we don't feel away. There's

15:31

the thing my first stand up show,

15:33

which was about a period of my life that

15:36

stuff happened, and I remember I

15:38

always think about the fact that, in my early

15:41

preview of it, I did the album

15:43

maybe for the third time, and afterwards

15:45

a woman from the audience came up to me and just hugged

15:48

me and said, I'm so sorry that happened

15:50

to you. And I really thought, oh, you know, that

15:52

was going to be a comedy shot, and it

15:54

was a real lesson in like, oh, I've sold

15:57

this completely wrong, stuilities. They feel I

15:59

have to twiddle this to make it

16:01

much more safe to laugh about,

16:03

and you know what I mean, Like she just thought

16:06

it was a dramatic monologue about a terrible incident,

16:09

and yeah, yeah,

16:11

you don't want I'm sorry that happened. You

16:13

want thank you for talking to about

16:16

that. It made me feel better. That's what you

16:18

want. You want, Thank you not I'm sorry.

16:20

I'm sorry. It's a terrible reaction audience

16:23

with the stuff you've done. It's like the

16:25

difficult stuff your mum and the and the bipolar

16:28

thing. Do you feel because

16:30

I'm also curious about the I

16:32

hear both sides of this. Do you feel

16:34

like it's therapeutic, like it's helpful

16:37

to you that you that you talk about this, that you process

16:39

it through comedy or do you ever think that

16:41

by talking about it so much and doing it as stand

16:43

up it makes it worse because

16:46

you're reembedding it, re embedding it every

16:48

time it's coming up. Honestly, that's a great question,

16:50

because there were points on

16:53

the last tour, as I was gearing up

16:55

to film Look at You the second

16:57

special, where I was like, I

17:00

cannot do this material anymore.

17:02

Not because I wasn't proud of it. I really

17:05

loved that material and I was really proud

17:07

of it, but it was emotionally very

17:09

draining to do every night, and I was

17:11

doing it twice a night a lot of nights,

17:13

and then you know, meeting people

17:16

after shows that were bringing up

17:18

their mental health struggles

17:20

and their experiences with losing

17:22

family members, and it was just really

17:25

heavy It was just really heavy to

17:27

sort of brace myself every night to get into

17:29

that material and like we're talking

17:31

about make the audience feel

17:33

comfortable with it, because when I was

17:35

like when I was younger, when I was like a teenager

17:38

and I was going on stage, people were nervous

17:40

for me because I was so young, Like people

17:42

were scared for me because I was so young. So

17:44

I had to learn how to They're already

17:46

nervous, so I had to learn how to make them feel comfortable

17:49

just by like carrying myself a certain way.

17:51

And I felt that way with that

17:54

last hour of material too, is I was

17:56

like, oh, I have to really I

17:58

had to really hit the mark, Like I have

18:00

to really stick the landing on

18:02

this stuff so that people aren't aren't

18:05

uncomfortable. And it was just a lot.

18:07

It was a lot more taxing

18:10

than like my current hour of material, save

18:13

for that like six minute chunk

18:16

that I just took out really

18:18

recently, just like this month, maybe last

18:20

month, but the first couple months of the tour

18:22

and over the summer, I was doing that material

18:25

and it was sort of towards the end, and I

18:27

thought it was interesting and it was like a little

18:29

darker and sadder. But I was like, I'm just

18:31

not I just don't want to dread

18:34

this part of the show every night. I

18:37

want like a break, Like I just want to do an

18:39

hour that's lighter and easier

18:42

and still very personal. I think, and

18:44

is vulnerable and is

18:46

about certain fears I have right now, but it is

18:48

it is a lot a lot lighter,

18:51

and that is on purpose. Yeah.

18:53

Great, that's that sounds good. Tricky,

18:56

isn't it. It's tricky because it's

18:59

the good stuff, always the

19:01

stuff. The stuff you dread is always

19:04

the best stuff. I know, it always

19:06

does. It's a real an. It's really

19:08

annoying. Yeah. The other thing

19:10

that I think is very nice about you, it seems,

19:13

is that Dustin Nicholson here is

19:15

a very lovely, very funny comedian. Seems

19:17

you always have him as you open it

19:19

and you travel with him? Is that true? Instagram?

19:23

True? And

19:25

and have you nine him forever? I just loved it. You're

19:27

always with your friend and these things that seems

19:29

like a lovely relationship. Yes,

19:31

it's made a huge difference. I met Dustin

19:34

like ten years ago, which is funny

19:36

because he was we were both

19:39

a few years into stand up.

19:41

But I was you know, I was in college. I was like nineteen,

19:43

and he was my age now because he's about

19:45

ten years older than me, and he had like, you

19:48

know, three kids under ten

19:50

and he was married, and I

19:52

was like a child. Like we're very different

19:54

places, and we weren't like friends right away,

19:57

but we were doing stand up at the same time in San

19:59

Diego, and over the years,

20:01

you know, I started in churches, he was

20:03

doing some churches as well,

20:06

and he was just one of the only people

20:08

I knew who was like doing every type of

20:10

gig the same way I was. Where like

20:12

we were both doing clubs, colleges,

20:15

churches, corporate events, like we

20:17

were both doing everything, and

20:19

again we were both in San Diego and just kind

20:21

of naturally over the years. I think

20:23

a big turning point was probably when I was I think I was

20:25

twenty three at the time, twenty two or

20:27

twenty three, and I got fired from

20:30

opening for a church comedian.

20:32

And after they called me to fire me,

20:35

they took me off a bunch of tour dates as

20:37

the opener, and they

20:40

called dustin immediately after and gave

20:42

him all of the work that I'd gotten fired

20:44

from because

20:46

I had tweeted a joke

20:48

with innuendo in it disgusting.

20:52

I know it was rough, but it was

20:54

it was good because it was like the last

20:57

sort of churchy gig that I was still doing.

20:59

And then after that I got to be like I'm never doing these

21:01

again. Like we're just a hard hard stop

21:03

on these. But like, I don't think Dustin.

21:05

I really became close friends and told

21:08

maybe like four years ago, and yeah,

21:10

he's just like he's the best. He's like him

21:12

and his wife Melissa are just like great,

21:14

great people, and like he's really like

21:17

my big brother. I have younger siblings, but I've

21:19

been the oldest, and he's really like honest

21:22

with me and looks out for me and has

21:24

given me a lot of shit, and like, you know,

21:26

it's just a really good example of like a

21:28

really good human being. Yeah,

21:31

in a great relationship

21:33

and a really good parent. And it's

21:36

good for me to be with a friend on the

21:38

road, but it's also good for me to be with a good person

21:41

all the time. Yeah, you know, Fuck,

21:45

I've forgotten to tell you, Sonny Ship.

21:47

I should have told you this up

21:49

too, before we got

21:51

into this. I

21:54

feel I

21:56

would have mess. I really should have said this to you

21:58

you deserved. I should

22:01

have said it earlier. I'll just I'll just

22:03

say you've died. You're

22:05

dead. Oh my god, I forgot

22:08

you're dead. It's right,

22:11

you know, it's embarrassing. I choked

22:15

on a supplement. I actually

22:17

choked a supplement, which is, you

22:19

know, the iron, taking something

22:21

to live longer. But no, I was.

22:23

I was in a hurry and I took

22:27

you know, sometimes you throw a few back. Because

22:30

it was fish oil and magnesium. It was

22:32

too big, guys, and I thought I could do

22:34

it, and I just I flew too close to the sun.

22:36

And always

22:41

it's too big. You got to really focus, you got

22:43

to breathe through one fish oil. And

22:45

so the fact that I tried to double up is I

22:47

have no one to blame but myself and h

22:50

Luckily I'm making enough money on the

22:52

road that they found me in

22:54

my apartment within twenty four hours because my agents

22:56

were like, why isn't she answering our

22:59

email? Um, otherwise it might

23:01

have been a week. Who knows, But you're

23:04

right, it's like, why is she working? Yeah, that's

23:06

correct. Everyone else would been she's depressed.

23:09

Yeah, how old were you when you died? I

23:12

was, I was. I was thirty five,

23:15

I was in my prime. I was at my peak. You

23:18

just about to start coasting as well. I

23:21

was just about to start posting. It's true.

23:23

And you know, my entire team

23:25

was really was really torn because

23:27

on the one hand, you know, you can't make money

23:29

going forward for them. But she

23:32

left. At the time of that game, My

23:34

my specials went crazy. Everything got

23:36

so popular once I was dead. Yeah,

23:39

the best thing that ever happened. They're

23:45

they're at the funeral, like mopping their

23:47

tears and quietly looking down at their fine still

23:49

number one

23:52

ding ding ding, yeah, d

23:55

d d tragic. Netflix

23:57

put it under dead Pan Comedies put do

24:02

you worry about death? Tell me I

24:04

do. Yeah. I think about death all the time. Do

24:06

you think about death a lot? I mean, podcast,

24:09

I would assume I do you think about

24:11

it? Yeah? Do you

24:13

think about it in a negative context? I

24:15

think, I get really scared of death,

24:18

But then I go, I'm just as scared of

24:20

life as I am of death. And then

24:22

sometimes I get so scared of dying that I get

24:24

exhausted, and I go, am I just gonna be scared

24:26

of dying the whole time. Let's just do it right, now, yeah,

24:30

this is this is exhausted. Yeah,

24:32

man, Yeah,

24:35

what do you think happens when you die? I have

24:37

no idea. I think that if

24:40

anything does happen, we're

24:42

not going to figure it out. I'm certainly not. I

24:44

didn't finish college. You know, I have

24:46

no idea that's going on after

24:48

all that you stand of this on

24:50

my job? Do we have a scientist working on

24:52

that? I just we're never going

24:54

to. I

24:59

mean, I I would love it if there's

25:01

something else, that would be great. I think reincarnation

25:04

sounds very beautiful. I mean, I

25:06

would love it if there's something else. I think there's

25:09

just as likely. It's just as likely that there's

25:11

something else as that there's nothing. I

25:13

really don't Yeah, I don't have like

25:15

strong opinions about I grew up so religious

25:18

that like certainty, any sort of

25:20

certainty around an afterlife

25:22

or lack thereof, is like repulsive

25:25

to me. I'm like, you don't know, none of us know. Was

25:28

that an incident? Was it a general

25:30

thing or was there a specific thing that made you go I'm

25:32

not into religion anymore. I mean, I think

25:34

it was very gradual, because when you grow

25:37

up in it and your whole family is

25:40

very much a part of it. Like it's really

25:42

hard to take yourself out of it because everyone

25:45

around you is in it. So you feel

25:47

like there's something wrong with you if

25:49

you can't buy into it or feel the things you're

25:51

supposed to feel. But like, honestly, when

25:53

my mom died, I was eight, and everyone

25:56

was like, we'll see her again, and I'm like, I don't feel

25:58

that way. I don't know if that's true. And

26:00

that was sort of the first instance of me

26:03

going I don't think I feel how I'm supposed to feel

26:05

that everybody's talking about and I don't feel

26:07

like And I went in and out of this over the

26:10

years of like feeling like

26:12

God was there for me or talking to me or

26:14

whatever, and then feeling like I

26:16

don't feel anything. And I think once

26:18

I got to I actually think once I started doing stand

26:20

up and I started hanging out with

26:22

a lot of different people and not

26:25

just like my suburban Christian

26:27

town, it really opened my eyes to the fact

26:29

that there are plenty of people who never even think about religion.

26:32

They don't think about God, they don't like it

26:34

doesn't just eat away at them. And I

26:36

was always taught in church, that everybody has

26:38

this little like voice in their head that

26:41

they're just ignoring, and that's

26:43

God and that's faith, and you either

26:45

listen to me don't. And then I got

26:47

older and I was like, there's plenty people who don't have that at all,

26:49

and it's because it wasn't you know, like

26:52

ingrained in them. Question

26:54

which I'm sure you took about many times, but it is

26:56

interesting that he was so young when you did this. If

26:59

you could briefly, why did you start stand

27:01

up at sixteen? What made you go, I'm a stand up. I

27:03

wanted to stand up to you? Do you know? Oh, it's not

27:05

a cool story. Um, I took a

27:08

stay. I took a stand up comedy class

27:10

from a church Communitian, which

27:13

was a class that my dad wanted to take. And

27:15

he told me the later he like thought I

27:17

would write for him. That's

27:20

how it started. Yeah, that's how I

27:22

started doing stand up And they tend out you were

27:24

good. It turns out did your dad

27:26

do it with you the course? Oh? Yeah he did

27:28

the class with me. Yeah, he did the class with me, but

27:30

he didn't do stand up for anything. How was

27:32

his? Oh god, I can't bear it.

27:37

Okay, well, listen up, Tyler.

27:39

Good news. There's a heaven and you

27:42

in it, and everyone it's very

27:45

excited to see it. Hell yeah, oh heaven.

27:47

Yeah yeah, let's heaven. It's great. It's

27:49

filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Macha.

27:52

It is filled with matcha It is

27:55

matcha up. There was a match on

27:57

the wolves, let's matter on the floors, match

28:00

everywhere, and there are a match of

28:02

people. When they woke around, and they're very excited to meet

28:04

you. They're huge fans. They love all your work. They

28:06

want to talk to you about your life, but they want to talk about

28:08

it through film in that weird and

28:11

the first thing they ask you is, what's

28:13

the first film you remember? Saying t t I

28:16

think the first movie I remember

28:18

seeing ever, I'm gonna

28:20

say it was Aladdin, and I think I

28:23

watched it like every day when

28:25

I was very young. And so it's one of those things where

28:27

I'm like, I don't even know if I remember seeing

28:29

it or if I was just told that

28:32

I watched it every day, Okay,

28:34

and so maybe that was it. I remember

28:36

seeing a toy story. It's

28:38

just a lot of Disney, a lot of Disney movies

28:41

when I was a kid. That's not bad. Yeah,

28:43

did you did you think I love this? I

28:45

want to be in movies? No,

28:48

I really didn't. I think I did maybe

28:50

in like middle school, I did for a bit.

28:53

But once I started doing stand up, I was like, Oh,

28:55

this is awesome. This is way better

28:57

than everything else. Like I liked acting

29:00

because I like being on stage. And then once I

29:03

figured out that you could do stand up on stage, I was like,

29:05

Oh, this is amazing. I don't have to

29:07

I don't have to rely on anybody. This is

29:10

this is great. But

29:12

no, when I was a kid, I don't even think I

29:15

understood that you could be in movies

29:18

until I was like whatever ten

29:20

or something, and then I was like, why am I not in Harry Potter?

29:22

Oh? Because I'm not British, right,

29:26

That was why I got it. The

29:28

first movie I remember seeing in theaters. Yeah,

29:32

and I only remember because I got taken

29:34

out of it is I remember being in

29:36

the theater watching Hercules, and

29:39

I remember being carried out because I got scared

29:41

pretty immediately. Well it's kind of yeah,

29:45

it's I mean that movie is about hell this

29:48

Oh yeah, it like

29:50

opens with hell. Yeah, and you're like,

29:52

I'm five exactly.

29:56

It's very scared. That's sweet. Yeah,

29:59

what's the film that scaredy the mice that wasn't

30:01

herculates? Do you like being scared? I hate

30:03

being scared. I hate scary movies. I'm

30:05

not interested in them at all. I have

30:08

a I have a couple answers to this. So

30:11

there is a movie called Nocturnal

30:13

Animals. Have you seen this movie? Yes,

30:15

I have seen this movie. It has Amy Adams

30:17

and Jake Jillenhall and Aaron Taylor Johnson

30:19

in it. And I don't think it's

30:22

actually happening to characters. It's what's happening

30:24

in the novel yet

30:26

that they're talking about. Yeah, and it's

30:29

these guys take this family

30:31

on the side of the road and they take the mom

30:34

and the daughter and they

30:36

they kidnap them and drive off of them, and then

30:38

the husband who's Jake Jillenhall

30:41

like, finds their bodies later. And it

30:43

fucked me up so bad

30:45

because it's not like a supernatural thing.

30:48

It's like a thing that could happen,

30:50

like all that shit with like murder and

30:52

all this, Like I just can't I can't watch stuff

30:54

like that because it'll it'll suck me up. So that fucked

30:56

me up. But it was a really good movie. But I saw

30:59

that when it came out out in theaters by

31:01

myself, and I was like, Oh, can ever watch this

31:03

again? And then a friend of

31:05

mine told me about Hereditary.

31:07

I never saw Hereditary, but they explained

31:10

the plot in great detail, and that scared

31:12

the shit out of me. That's for a while,

31:15

fucked me out. Hereditary really,

31:18

Oh dude, I didn't even see it.

31:20

I didn't even see it, and it sucked

31:22

me up. It's worse. It's even worse

31:24

if you see it. That is a scary

31:26

film. Why do you think so

31:29

many comedians? And I have lots of comedians on it

31:31

in the I'd say in the far majority.

31:34

Some really love horror, but most hate

31:36

horror. Have you run? I hate horror? Don't

31:39

want to be scared hated? Really? Yeah,

31:41

so many comedians, I think, I mean,

31:43

I assume it's control. And but the

31:45

reason I find it slightly surprising is because horror

31:47

and comedy are the same thing, right right.

31:51

I think the control is

31:53

a great insight. I think it probably is like you

31:55

have so much control as a stand up

31:57

comedian, like it's it's hard to do

31:59

anything else. It's hard to write

32:01

screenplays and like go through all this problem

32:04

like it's exot you're just like none of this has to take

32:06

this all Like yeah, you know, I write stuff

32:09

and do it every night, right, Like we don't

32:11

have to what's all this bullshit? Like we gotta

32:13

go Yeah, yeah,

32:16

why are we discussing, Let's just do it? Come on. So

32:18

that's really interesting. Yeah, I think that if you like

32:21

being a comedian, you like having control

32:24

of your surroundings and feelings and career,

32:26

and to give in to a horror

32:29

movie is to feel out of control. Yeah,

32:31

horrendous. Yeah, you're probably right, But also like

32:33

do most people like horror movies?

32:35

Like is this specific to comedians? Do

32:37

you think most people do? They do? It's it's

32:40

it's the only genre

32:43

other than kind of big marvel films

32:45

that is keeping cinema alive. Like, horror films

32:47

is what people go to the cinema to say consistently,

32:50

so interesting. It's one like the only

32:52

sort of live budget films that crowds

32:54

will go and see. Its horror films. Fascinating.

32:56

Wow, that's really fascinating.

32:59

Yeah, that movie Megan is like doing really

33:01

well right now, and I want to go see

33:03

it. Smile was huge. Oh, yes, Smile

33:05

was huge. I've been asking people if Megan is super

33:08

scary, if I could handle it. I think you can

33:10

because I'm like, what's the I'm like, what's the what's

33:13

all the fuss about? I keep hearing about this. I

33:15

want to be a part of it, Like you do.

33:17

You go out to the theater and see what's

33:19

out most of the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:21

I love horror films, but I also realized

33:24

with horror films, it's like it's like drugs with

33:26

me, Like I love them until they're too

33:28

hard and then it like he

33:31

Readitary really fucked me up, and I think I

33:33

regretted seeing it because it sort of ruined me for

33:35

a week. I couldn't I was sort of genuinely

33:37

scared in my own house, and I thought, why do you put yourself

33:39

through this? Yeah, That's how

33:41

I feel after virtually every horror

33:43

movie. But I like hearing about them, so I always

33:46

get people to tell me everything that happens

33:48

in it. I'm like, oh, that sounds good, but

33:50

I'll never watch it. That makes sense. Well about

33:53

crying, are you a crying? What's the film? I made?

33:55

You cry. I've had it. I've had movies

33:57

make me cry a lot. The first

33:59

movie I remember crying really harden

34:02

was when I was a kid was Bridge to TERRIBITHI

34:06

yeah, really

34:10

depressing film and to be like,

34:12

you know ten and you're like

34:14

a kid can drown. That's fucked

34:17

up. That really if I remembered

34:19

crying really hard in a theater at

34:21

that one. And then god, I

34:23

remember I watched Cramer

34:26

Versus Kramer for the first time a few years

34:28

ago and that made me cry pretty hard.

34:31

And a more recently, I think the most

34:33

recent example I could think of was something that made me cry

34:35

hard was Soul. Soul fucked

34:37

me up? Oh so, yeah,

34:39

it's so good. It's so good it

34:42

is. That was more in a nice way. I guess. Are

34:44

you comfortable crying? Oh

34:47

yeah, I'm too comfortable crying? Okay?

34:50

Are you are you uncomfortable? Oh yeah?

34:53

Crying in front of paper after that

34:55

way? Thank you? If if

34:57

ted less anything, it's the voter vie.

35:00

He is a terrible thing and you must always hide it, right,

35:02

that's the message. That's what I got from

35:05

it. Yeah, that's what I heard. Good.

35:08

Yeah, I think I did it. What about

35:11

what's a film that you love people

35:13

don't like it. It's not critically a claim, but

35:16

you love it unconditionally, you

35:18

don't care. I

35:20

think I didn't know until I was an adult

35:22

that this movie is considered very bad. I

35:25

think it's good. Still is

35:27

a hook? I fucking

35:30

love Hook. Hook is fucking

35:32

good, right. I think Hook's a good

35:34

movie. It's a great movie. I

35:37

think the first twenty minutes Hook is

35:39

Summer Spielberg's best work. I love

35:41

it's kill it. It's so good and has terrible

35:44

reviews, and I didn't when I got to be an adult.

35:46

I don't remember even why I looked it up.

35:48

I think I was just gonna rewatch it with someone

35:51

and we looked it up on ron Tomatoes or something, and

35:53

we're like, is this considered a bad film?

35:55

The worst thing about Hook? I'm sure I've said this

35:58

on here before, so apologies if I have. Spielberg

36:00

thinks it's bad. He's broke what

36:03

he's like when he did like a career

36:05

chat. He's like, you know the one film I think I sort of fucked

36:08

up if I'm like, no, you didn't, No,

36:10

you didn't, Stevens. It's brilliant.

36:13

Oh, my god, did you see The Fableman? I

36:15

did. I saw it. I saw it just a couple of days ago. So

36:17

did I Did you like it? I did like it? We don't

36:19

I like more? Hook? Me too?

36:22

So did I. I thought The Fableman's

36:24

was was very well done. I also thought it

36:26

was very self indulgent. I was like, it's

36:30

no Hook, it's

36:34

very I thought it's very good, but it's not Hook.

36:36

No. I agree. I'm not gonna watch

36:38

it like I watched Hook. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, if

36:40

he sat down and said he was ashamed of Hook,

36:43

like what are you? What

36:45

are you talking about? Like that's what needed

36:47

to be about, was him reckoning with it. It

36:50

needed a scene where he goes, I think Hook's not

36:52

very good, and his favorman parents go, it's

36:54

brilliant yourself, it's

36:56

so good. I thought it was so good.

36:58

I mean, the cast is so good,

37:00

Like it's the fuck it's really

37:03

really good. It's

37:07

upsetting to me. It's so validating that

37:09

you also feel that way, because I was scared you're gonna be

37:11

like, no, that's a bad movie. I can't. I tried

37:13

to describe the bit at the end to something I couldn't

37:15

get through because I was gonna cry. I

37:18

was trying to describe what his what he

37:20

happened, I mean, if ever finished the sentence. But

37:22

his happy thought is I can't bear it. It's too

37:24

much. I ki'd I know it

37:26

was you. Oh I know, jud

37:34

was gonna cry

37:38

and he spoils off. Oh god,

37:40

it's so good. Oh god,

37:43

I'm sorry. I would just want to bring him. I

37:45

think about I think about the food fight scene

37:47

all the time. Yeah, and I

37:50

mean, she wiz, what

37:52

a movie. It's so

37:54

good. It's got everything in it. I

37:57

mean truly for all the generations.

37:59

I was like, this movie has everything. There's something

38:01

for everybody in this it's so good. Something

38:03

really the build up when they got to landing

38:06

in it and he's doing the speech and the

38:09

awesome boys stand up and black kisses to Maggie

38:11

Smith in the window because it's so creepy,

38:13

and like, oh, what a movie. So

38:15

you're a planet, Peter. Great

38:18

film, it's so good. It's

38:20

so good. Oh my

38:23

god. Oh I'm so relieved.

38:25

You understand completely. Okay,

38:28

what is a film that you used

38:30

to love but you have what's recently ain't gone?

38:33

I don't like this anymore, but whatever reason

38:35

that may be, okay. So when

38:37

I was a kid, my parents had maybe

38:39

like thirty DVDs that they just kept

38:42

in their bedroom that I

38:44

would usually go to if I got sick

38:47

and I was home alone from school.

38:49

And I remember there was one movie there that I loved

38:51

when I was a kid, and I tried to rewatch it as

38:53

an adult, and I'm like, this is a bad movie, but

38:56

I still think it looks really fun to have

38:58

made. Which now if I don't

39:00

like a movie now as an adult, I

39:02

go, but this was probably really fun to make.

39:05

Like that always saves it for me. Is like thinking

39:07

about the actors having a really fun time.

39:10

There's this movie called Down with Love with

39:12

renees' Elwegger and Ewan

39:15

McGregor. It's like a very campy

39:17

like set in the nineteen fifties, like just

39:20

like it feels like a musical, but it

39:22

isn't at all. There's no music in it. So Renees

39:24

Elweger's character has like

39:26

this like glow up and then

39:29

writes this book about how

39:31

you don't need to fall in love and

39:33

women just need to have sex like men have sex,

39:36

and it like blows up and

39:38

it's this huge success. And then Ewan McGregor

39:41

is this like chauvinistic men's

39:44

magazine journalist, and

39:46

he tricks her into

39:50

falling in love with him to like write

39:52

an expose proving like this

39:54

author who is trying

39:57

to tell women they don't need love is gonna

40:00

I'm gonna make her fall in love with me by pretending to be somebody

40:02

else. And then like the twist

40:04

at the end is that she

40:07

used to be his secretary before

40:10

she was blond, like when she was like

40:13

ugly, I guess, and he

40:16

didn't know, and she like did the

40:18

whole thing to like win him over and

40:20

make him fall in love with her, because obviously he falls in love

40:22

with her back. It's just very

40:24

I think Sarah Paulson's in it, David

40:27

Hyde, Piers. It's like when I was

40:29

a kid, I like loved it, and I tried to

40:31

watch this adult. I'm like, this is not a good movie,

40:33

but it's it's like fun. Yeah,

40:37

it's not good. I was like, this really doesn't

40:40

sounds So it's like I had to leave a guy in ten days.

40:43

Yeah, it's kind of like that, but in like the nineteen

40:46

fifties, right, I think

40:48

i'd love it. Honestly, you

40:51

might love it. You just kind of have to like buy

40:53

into it. Yeah, but it's like cheesy

40:56

and silly, like it has a spot

40:58

in my heart of course. But if I as an

41:00

adult, I would probably be like, yeah, maybe

41:02

not. But as a kid, I really really

41:05

liked it a lot, and I would watch it whenever I get

41:07

sick. That's a great shout.

41:09

And it's never come up with it. That's a big

41:11

shot. Ten points for that. I've never I've

41:13

never met anybody who's ever seen it. What

41:16

is the film that means the mice to

41:18

you? Not necessarily the film itself is any

41:20

good, but the experience you had around

41:22

seeing the film would always make it important

41:25

to you. Well, the last Harry

41:27

Potter movie came out when I was a senior in

41:29

high school, and so we all went

41:31

to go see like the midnight premiere of it.

41:33

When I was a kid, I read like the first few

41:35

books and they were really important to me. And then my

41:38

dad decided that they were satanic and that

41:40

I couldn't read them, and I somehow convinced

41:42

him, you know, years later, to let

41:45

me go see the last movie with all my friends

41:47

because it was like a senior thing. Like

41:49

it was like, I'm like, it's just a memory. I don't even care

41:51

about Harry Potter anymore. So it was like

41:53

a very triumphant trip. And

41:56

obviously like waiting for six hours

41:58

in line with all my friends from high was

42:00

very fun. And like, you know, midnight

42:02

premieres of movies, like, but

42:04

yeah, besides Marvel, Like that's not

42:07

like a thing anyway. Do people still go

42:09

to midnight premieres of Marvel movies? Yeah? Probably, Yeah,

42:11

yeah they still do that. I mean that previous

42:13

of things to happen. I hope you would screaming

42:16

at the screen yo, sated as

42:18

you watched. I

42:20

was was going, this is so much better than the Lord. No,

42:25

that was that was a big That

42:28

was a big thing. And then I saw the I saw

42:30

the last Lord of the Rings movie in theaters,

42:33

which watching those as a kid

42:35

was like really important

42:37

to me. And like those those movies I

42:39

remember those in like Star Wars I kind of

42:41

all watched around the same time, which was like

42:43

nine nine years old, and

42:46

those were like the first like behind

42:49

the scenes things I had watched about

42:51

filmmaking, and that made me go, oh, I

42:53

had no idea. This was so hard, Like I had no

42:55

idea how much went into this, just how

42:58

difficult it was to get the first Star

43:00

Wars movie made for so many reasons,

43:02

like at every step of the way. Is

43:05

still something I think about all the time. So

43:07

yeah, I think those two. I'm trying to think of a more

43:09

recent example. Otherwise all of my examples are going

43:11

to be from when I was a child. Oh,

43:14

I have one more. I saw La

43:16

La land in theaters when I

43:18

was living in LA and I really didn't

43:21

like it. I really didn't like La at

43:23

the time. And I went to go see it at

43:25

this theater down

43:27

where you slip that's now closed. It was the

43:29

Landmark Theater and

43:32

I saw it like ten pm by myself, and

43:35

I didn't know a ton about it. I just knew it was the same guy

43:37

who did Whiplash, which I had loved. And I

43:39

remember I saw it like an empty theater at like ten

43:41

pm, and I was like, oh man, this

43:43

is really nice, and maybe La it's not that bad.

43:47

That's great. Those are

43:49

mine. Yeah, what's the

43:51

film you must relate to?

43:55

Oh gosh, I don't know that

43:57

one. I don't know that I had a great answer

43:59

for that, like, what's a what's the

44:02

what's yours? Can I ask yours? It against the rules?

44:05

Lady Bed, Ladybird, really

44:08

lady Bed, because

44:10

what's Ladybed? That was like, yeah, I totally

44:12

relate to this, to this, to lady

44:15

Bed. Oh my gosh. It's

44:17

it's the example of use of why of why,

44:19

like writing the more specific

44:21

you out of the more universal, Like I am

44:24

not a teenage girl who grew up where she grew

44:26

up, but I fully fully related

44:28

to this, to that film. I was like I

44:31

get yeah, I get your great Yeah,

44:34

oh my god, that's so funny.

44:36

Yeah, wow, that's really fun.

44:38

This came out, came out a lady Bed like that's us.

44:44

That was me. How did they capture me? What's inside

44:47

me? Um? I

44:49

don't know. I don't know if I have a good I have a good answer,

44:51

because I can't say Ladybird now, I mean, would

44:53

love to you. I

44:56

grew up like an hour outside of Sacramento.

44:58

But I don't think I don't really relate to her because she's

45:01

so like free spirited and herself in it.

45:03

I think, like I'm gonna say this because

45:05

it was the book and both

45:08

versions of the movie. I think I

45:10

really love UH and was important to

45:12

me growing up was a little women because

45:15

I was the oldest of four and

45:19

there's always yeah, and I think, like every

45:21

time you watch my

45:23

brother, my brother is trance, but

45:25

there's four of us all together. Yeah,

45:27

yeah, yeah, there's four of us all together. And I'm the

45:30

oldest, and so Meg

45:33

probably, I mean, it's like I'm not you

45:36

know, nobody's I don't even

45:38

know. I don't even know, Like my brother's probably

45:40

Joe, my

45:43

other sisters probably

45:45

Meg because she's the most patient. And then I

45:47

think, I don't think or now maybe

45:49

she's more like Beth. And then

45:52

me and my youngest sister are probably fighting

45:54

it out for we're probably an Amy Meg

45:56

Combo, both of us, honestly,

45:59

but everyone wanted to be Joe. But you

46:01

know, my brother's Joe. We're being

46:03

honest. Someone the

46:05

manuscripts, Yeah exactly, And

46:07

I'm like, I wish that wasn't me, but that's probably

46:09

me, bry

46:12

So Patty. I think I'm Meg now. I think I've

46:15

matured into a Meg. But I was probably

46:18

probably an Amy when I was younger and just

46:20

didn't realize. They're like, you're selfish,

46:22

but I wasn't the youngest ever. But

46:24

yeah, that's uh, that's so much more

46:26

fun than like your sex in the City, Like which

46:29

sex in the City character are you? Is? Which little women

46:31

sister are you? Amy?

46:35

That's too great? Gois? I know? Okay,

46:38

Abbey, Guys, this is the reason people cheating. What's

46:40

the sexiest film you've ever the same time to tell me? Said

46:43

oh, this one. I didn't have an answer too. I could

46:45

not get out of it. I really

46:47

couldn't think of one. I can't think of like,

46:50

I really can't. I think I'm a prude. I

46:52

don't know your film has ever given you

46:54

the horn zero? I'm sure

46:56

they have, but I don't know. Does

46:59

everyone just say mag Jack Mike? But even

47:01

that's like it's so overtly

47:04

sexual. That's I guess That's what I'm thinking of,

47:06

is like very sexy. I don't

47:08

know. I don't know. I think I

47:11

think all about Eve is very sexy. Actually

47:13

that sounds like sort of a that's why

47:17

is it all about a sexy? I just think

47:19

she's really sexy. I think like her being

47:22

this like older, sort of like

47:24

complicated, like petty, Like I think she's

47:26

got so many great lines in it, Like

47:29

I remember, like watching that made me feel

47:31

like maybe it's not that it's sexy, it's that it made

47:33

me feel like I could

47:36

grow in because I don't feel particularly sexy

47:38

as a person, but I'm like, maybe I can grow into

47:40

being sexy if I'm like a

47:42

successful woman in show business into

47:46

my forties and fifties. I

47:49

like this plan for you, and then I have to ask

47:51

the question and I may see men, you don't

47:53

have one. But I'm furious. This is a subcategory

47:56

traveling by in this worrying Why don't filmy

47:58

found a rousing the unit? That's

48:01

easier? I think, okay, you don't think

48:03

that's easy. Oh, I think that's so much easier.

48:07

Oh that's I think everyone has that. Like, but a

48:09

movie that you're like, this is a sexy

48:11

film, I'm like, that's hard. That's a really

48:14

hard one, because that feels more objective movies

48:17

that you were aroused by that you shouldn't have been. I

48:19

mean, where do you fucking start? That's

48:21

an easy one. Again, how many people

48:23

say Simba? Everyone does?

48:25

Everyone say Simba? Everyone

48:27

says Simba. Another really

48:30

basic one is not to do too

48:32

many Peter Pan movies. But the live

48:34

action Peter Pan movie that came

48:36

out when I was a child. A

48:39

lot of women in my age

48:41

bracket that was like a big one for them,

48:43

and that Jack

48:46

No, No, it's the one with It's the dad

48:49

from God, Oh,

48:51

Jason Isaacs, Yes, someone with Jason

48:54

Isaacs. Yeah, and the blonde

48:56

kid that everyone was obsessed

48:58

with who didn't act in anything after that.

49:00

And so you can't, you can't like go watch

49:03

his more recent work to feel better about it. That's

49:06

just a kid, and you it's

49:09

I used to do I still do. I have a

49:11

joke about it where I go like, I don't

49:13

think children should allow should be allowed to be actors

49:16

because when you're a kid, you watch these movies

49:18

and they're important to your sexual awakening, and

49:20

then you can't rewatch them as an adult because

49:23

you just remember how horny you get,

49:25

like nostalgically horny, isn't

49:28

it where you're like, oh my god, I remember

49:30

how I used to watch this, and now I see

49:32

that this was a child. But you're like, but I was a child,

49:34

and you're like, I know, but it's just I can't watch

49:36

this ever again. But why

49:39

is he whispering? Yeah, You're like why he whispering.

49:42

There's like a scene where he's like whispering to

49:44

like get her to come to Neverland, and I just

49:46

remember like as a kid, we were all just like I

49:49

don't know what's happening, but I'm feeling nice.

49:54

Say, you've totally made up for the for

49:56

the not knowing what a sexy film is. Very

49:59

I think it's the easier I know, I'm sorry

50:01

about that. I don't have any sorry

50:04

anyway, what is objectively,

50:07

objectively the greatest film

50:09

of all time? It might not be your favorite, but subjectively

50:12

the greatest objectively,

50:14

I'm going to say Citizen Kane, which I'm

50:16

sure a lot of people have said, really

50:19

is number one on the

50:22

A five top one hundred movies.

50:25

And the reason I'm going to say it is because it's number one,

50:27

which is, you know, very

50:29

difficult to live up to, I think,

50:32

and I watched it during Quarantine

50:35

because we were like, well, we should watch as

50:37

many movies on this list that we haven't seen now

50:40

that we have all this time, and it

50:42

like blew my mind how good

50:44

it was. I'm like the fact that this it feels

50:47

so modern. Yeah, Like that's

50:50

what blew me away about it. And the fact that you

50:52

could watch a movie that came out in nineteen forty

50:55

and go, this is this feels so relevant

50:58

and modern and and impressive

51:01

was like crazy to me. And that you'd watch it

51:03

because it was number one on the

51:06

Greatest Movies of All Time list and

51:08

you would still go Okay, yeah,

51:10

no, I get it. Yeah, it's legit

51:13

isn't it. I've always delighted when you watch films

51:15

of that and you go, oh, it's not boring. I was expecting

51:17

this to be boring. I assume that's why you always said it was

51:19

great. Yeah, yeah,

51:23

yeah, it's fucking great that film. It really

51:26

is good. Well done, well

51:28

done, It's so good. Good

51:31

good friend. What

51:33

is the film?

51:36

You could well have watched The

51:38

Mice to iver and iver again. I've watched Sensensensibility,

51:41

Angle's sensi Insibility that

51:44

so many times. Do you, Oh, my god,

51:46

fucking great film. It's so good.

51:49

Yeah, that's one of my favorite movies. And I've watched

51:51

it so many times since

51:54

I since I was a kid, and I just think

51:57

Emma Thompson did such

52:00

a great job with that script, and it's

52:03

like everything about it is perfect

52:05

to me. It's like a comfort movie with

52:07

mine. It's proper classy that film,

52:09

Angley. I mean, I don't

52:11

like that he keeps doing these motion smoothing

52:14

films recently. I'm just

52:17

making beautiful films. He keeps making these

52:19

like action films with like fifty two

52:21

friends a minute that look like sports

52:24

footage. Pretty weird. Now

52:26

what are you doing? Yeah, get

52:28

back on a horse. You do good stuff. Get

52:32

back on the get horses.

52:36

Ya do really good

52:38

horse stuff. We don't like to be negative

52:40

tight I do. Wait so very quickly, what's

52:43

the worst film you've ever seen? So I was

52:45

trying to think about this because show business

52:47

ruins you as far as being critical

52:50

of movies, because you know how hard it is to get

52:52

anything made, yeah, TV,

52:55

but especially film, and you

52:57

know how many different places

52:59

it could have gone wrong. And you know that, like even

53:02

terrible movies took five years to make, and

53:04

a million different people weighed in. And that's why it's

53:06

been the only movie that

53:09

I think I've ever walked

53:11

out of. And I'm not saying this is the worst

53:13

movie I've ever seen, because I don't

53:15

remember, because I didn't even finish it. There

53:17

was a movie that came out I'm gonna look it up

53:20

from twenty It was came out in twenty sixteen

53:22

and it was called Rules Don't Apply. And

53:25

it was Lilly Collins

53:27

and uh, it

53:30

was the guy who played Han Solo

53:32

in like the Solo movie

53:35

that came out and he and

53:38

Alden Yes and Warren Beatty

53:40

and uh, I was a friend

53:42

of mine. Yeah, there was a friend of mine. We went

53:44

to go see it, and we, like love going to see

53:46

movies, will pretty much see anything. And

53:49

I think we walked out of it because

53:51

we were just like, this is not this is

53:53

just not great. What the rules that play?

53:57

I think he was like her driver,

54:00

or he was a driver.

54:02

Maybe it was like he wasn't supposed to they weren't supposed

54:05

to date or something. I don't even I

54:07

don't even remember. I just

54:10

didn't. I just didn't like.

54:12

Again, it takes a lot for me. I don't

54:14

think I've ever walked out

54:16

of a movie before. The only other

54:18

movie I almost walked out of recently, which I'm

54:20

so glad I didn't, but I was in a full

54:23

theater. I want to go see Tar and the

54:27

Oh my god, it was so good, but you know, the beginning,

54:29

there's all those credits and they're so long,

54:32

and a bunch of us in the theater were like, did

54:34

they fuck up the movie? Like

54:37

it was so long? We were so dead. Well, we were

54:39

just like, is it the Yeah,

54:42

we missed a whole movie? What happened?

54:44

Like should we go talk to someone? But

54:47

then it started and it was great. Yeah,

54:50

well, film, good film. You're

54:53

in comedy, you're an excellent comedian. You wanted

54:55

the greats? What's the film that made you laugh the

54:58

most? I saw Bridesmaids

55:01

in high school, and it like blew

55:04

my mind, which is another one I've seen

55:06

a bunch of times. It's good. Jesus

55:08

Christ, it's so good. It's so good

55:10

it I could not believe how

55:13

funny it was and just

55:15

how many funny women are in it, and it really

55:18

like I still remember seeing

55:20

that with a group of my friends and walking out

55:22

of that theater like just like vibrating.

55:26

I was so excited that it existed. It's

55:28

fucking good. It's really really good,

55:31

and we need another. I keep

55:33

thinking, has there been anything since bridesmaid

55:35

of that sort of scale comedy film

55:38

with such a big unsoon, But I

55:41

can't think of one like that. I'm

55:43

sure there has been. It's probably

55:47

Hey, if you think I haven't pitched stuff

55:50

for years, is like, hey, I would like to

55:52

make other bridesmaids. It's

55:54

or something with that impact. Because

55:57

people always ask you anything. On your IMDb

55:59

it says untitled Tylors Tomlinson

56:01

film. Does it?

56:04

Yeah, see if that comes to fruition, Yeah,

56:06

we're working on it. Exciting

56:10

My advice probably needs a title. That

56:13

would be my any advice? Yeah, oh yeah, And

56:15

you know it's so funny. Titles are so hard, but

56:17

they're not hard for standard specials. My stand

56:19

up specials have been so easy to title, and

56:22

everything else is so hard to

56:24

title. Tylans Tomlinson,

56:28

You've been beyond a delight.

56:30

However, when you were thirty

56:32

five years old and you're in a bit of a rush

56:35

because you're a workaholic, and you were going from touring

56:37

and you thought, well, wow, i'm touring, I may as well pop into

56:40

the city and do a set at improv, which you said

56:42

you wouldn't do, but you're a real worker,

56:45

and you were like, I forgot to take my supplements,

56:47

and you're in a rush, so you grabbed

56:49

your fish one fish, your capsule, and

56:52

you put your zinc down. Zinc had gone in. You

56:55

done, ye b twelves You're

56:57

done, ye bam and I and

57:00

you were like, I've really got to go. You grabbed your fish and

57:02

your magnesia and you chucked them in, and then they

57:05

both got stuck in your throat and no

57:07

one was around, and you were like, and

57:10

you couldn't reach your mobile which

57:12

was over there, and you collapsed

57:15

on the floor, and then your agent. It's twelve

57:17

hours later. We're like, ten

57:19

is not making money for us. It's been twelve hours

57:21

since you made money for us. This doesn't seem

57:24

right. I'm furious. They're like summings

57:26

up. And they called me and I was wondering about

57:29

with a coffee, you know what I'm like, And I go,

57:31

I'll check in on there. I'm in the area,

57:33

and I come in your house. You are

57:35

not only dead, but the thing has trapped

57:37

so much. You have expanded. You're

57:40

like the air that

57:42

has got caught has just expanded expanded,

57:45

and there's so much more of you than I'm

57:47

expecting. And I'm like, oh fuck, so I have

57:49

to get acts. And

57:51

I start chopping you up, chopping you up,

57:54

chopping you into little bits to try and get you all

57:56

into the coffin and the black airwhere bits of you everywhere

57:58

ever, all over your place. Say sorry,

58:00

but Dustin says he's going to clean it up later. Anyway,

58:03

I grab her all your bits, stuff him

58:05

in the coffin. It's jammed.

58:08

There's really only enough room in that coffin. Barely

58:12

enough room in the coffin. But I can slip one DVD

58:14

in the side for you to take across to the other

58:16

side. And on the other side, it's movie night

58:18

every night. What film are you taking

58:21

to show the people of match of Heaven on

58:24

the other side when it is your movie night, Taylor

58:26

Thomlinson, match match, I

58:28

mean singing in the rain? Am

58:30

I allowed to say singing in the rain? Great?

58:32

Okay? I believe, I believe he's

58:34

already there. But no one is complaining about

58:37

a rewatch of singing in the rain. So

58:40

like we saw this one, you wasted a trip

58:42

to Heaven. Send her back.

58:44

She's got more work to do in The agents are like, yes,

58:46

please, Taylor

58:50

Thomlinson, Is there anything else you would

58:52

like people to look out for to watch

58:55

your Netflix specials eg or

58:57

other things? Yeah? Montress By.

59:00

They're both on Netflix. I am

59:02

on Tour Forever and always tetom

59:05

Comedy dot com for shows.

59:08

I don't know when this comes out, but I'm probably

59:10

coming to your city. I'm also going

59:13

overseas for the first time. Okay, I'm

59:15

going overseas for the first time, but it's those are

59:17

also low. So where

59:19

are you going? We might be adding we might be

59:21

adding one more London show, but I'm not sure yet.

59:23

Yes, yes, people of London. Guy,

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and see Taylor tomly since she's amazing. All

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Right, Taylor, thanks for your time, what

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pleasure. Thank you so much. This is so fun.

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Hope you are all well. Thank you very much for listening. Thank

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Come and join me next week for an

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So in the meantime, have a lovely

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more than ever, be excellent to each

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