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Alright , welcome to another episode of

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Fire Dove . This is Logan , and today's

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episode . We're going to talk about something that I

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know all of us have a hard time dealing

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with , and that is change , and change

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within our own lives , change within congregations

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and change for , maybe

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, looking at different interpretations

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of theology . So if you're anything like

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me , I know one of the hardest things is

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for me to just sit . Still . I

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don't sit still . Well , it's hard for me

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to relax . I always think that I'm going

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to relax , and then I just never get around

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to it , and maybe you're like that yourself

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. One of the things that I've been doing this week

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is I've been adding to my deck

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in my backyard . I've been expanding it , put another

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stairwell in , I built like this bridge and

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connected different pieces together , and

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I think God forces our hand

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sometimes to to slow down

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, and so for me , I was wearing

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my sandals and at

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first I tripped over some chicken wire

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. I ended up cutting my toes , really bad

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, and then my daughter came and like give

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me first aid , because the chicken wire kind of tore

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up my feet as I tripped over it . And

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then , only a few hours later

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, I was playing with my son and

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I rolled my ankle trying

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to mimic him . He was basically rolling

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a four by four on the ground , trying to stand

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on it in the shape of a diamond , and I

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tried doing it and it didn't go well . I have been

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in bed and lots of things floating

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around in my head , so that's one of the reasons

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I have a podcast . There's just so much stuff going on

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in my head and so this week I read two different

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books . I read first John Cotter's

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book Leading Change . It's an eight step process

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for leading change in the secular book

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but sought after books when it comes to business

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and management and those sort of things , and so

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he has this process about change

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. And then , to compliment that book , I

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also read Canoing the Mountains

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and Spied Todd Bollsinger and it's Christian

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Leadership in Uncharted Territory , and

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for me that book was quite interesting

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and really funny in the way that . So

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I grew up in Washington state and

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one of the things that happened , you

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know , in the 90s and the early 2000s , growing

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up there in the public school system , is

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you hear about Lewis and Clark every

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single year , and

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I can tell you that Lewis and Clark are

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very well ingrained in my mind

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when it comes to either being in plays

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or doing reports . I remember at one point I

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specifically was so sick and tired of learning

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about Lewis and Clark that I

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, in a rebellious manner , did a report

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on their dog His name is Seaman instead

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, because I was just in care about the

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people at that point . I just it was the

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only option , and they still let me do it , so I

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guess that kind of worked out for me . So

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, anyways , canoing the Mountains is about

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Christian leadership , but it constantly

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takes Lewis and Clark's journey

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and uses it for

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comparison about how they

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led an expedition and how we

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simply have not adapted or learned

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some of the best things from that and how that can

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apply to both the church and different workplaces

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. Specifically , one of the things that

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is interesting is , you know , lewis and Clark

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were sent on a mission . They

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wanted to find the Northwest Passage

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. And when they wanted to find the Northwest Passage

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and they expected to go

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canoeing downstream to the Pacific

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Ocean , that was their idea and

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goal for what it was going to be

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and it was , you know , for exploration and different

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things . One of the things that's funny

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is , of course , called canoeing the mountains

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, because they expected this easy

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, downstream canoeing portion

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of the trip to be , and yet

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all they ended up doing was finding the Rocky Mountains

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and Happened to go over that with a 16

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year old nursing mother , sakajui

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. She became one of the most

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important people in that entire

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process . One of the things that people

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do is they always kind of seek what's comfortable , right

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, like we all naturally do that

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. So if you've had a bad day or a

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bad week or a bad year , I don't know , I'll

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pray for you , but if you've , if things

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aren't going your way , you , you go back to

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what's comfortable , and so it talks

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constantly about how leadership is basically

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disappointing people at a rate that

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they can handle , because

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you're taking them into places where they

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may not necessarily Naturally want

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to go and it certainly won't be comfortable . One

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of the things about leadership that's important is , especially

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in a church context is that

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you need to remember that mission comes , for

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it , come it be . It comes before

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any specific person , before any specific

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Denominational traditions

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anything like that can get in the way

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of mission and remember that , as a Christian

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, god has placed you in a specific place and

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time . You are to minister to those

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around you , and Leadership is something

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that you need to have regardless

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, because at some

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capacity , you are leading people . If you talk

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to any other human being in your life , that

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means that yet some way you are leading people

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, whether it's as an adult or

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a child or anything . You are influencing and

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then persuading them . Sometimes that means that

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you're gonna have to find a way to help them navigate

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to another place that they

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don't naturally want to go . Change

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right . And so I kind of like

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the backstory is I think I was in

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like fifth grade or sixth grade or something

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, and I start saving up all my money and I took

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odd jobs and mode lawns and did

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some basic construction things that I got hired for

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, and I spent all my money on audio equipment

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, and for me , having

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the sound of someone speaking

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like they're in front of me , or singing or playing

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, is Really just

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kind of an obsession . I've always cared

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a lot about that , even from a young age , and

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so I was always going like how can

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I make it sound better ? How can I make it sound more natural

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, more ? And so getting into stairs

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was a really big thing for me . And why is

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that ? It's because music is

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important when it comes to how

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we are designed as people . It's a form of expression

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, it's an outlet , it's , it's a draw . I

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know that one of the things that's interesting is that

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if you're like , if you're taking like a road trip

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or something , listening to music is

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your brain will actually start and

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then finish the song before long

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before it actually finishes . And so listening

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to something like a Podcast or someone

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speak when you don't actually know all

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the words , then it will

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make the time go by a lot faster

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than if you're just listening to music that you enjoy

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Just to come kind of a fun hack

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. But why is it that people really

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love music ? Well , music is Powerful

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, it's transcendent , it takes you back to different

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places , it takes you to places in your

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memory and you feel like you're there , like I

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remember a song from when I was a Teenager

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and this happened , or I remember this was

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at a wedding or whatever it may

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be . Music has this incredible power

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in the way that it influences people and

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Kind of starting with that , it

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is a form of leadership , because

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you are affecting other people

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and your . If you are leading music

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or having people like

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, like , if you have a Professional singer and

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they're singing , what do people do ? They

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stand there in in just awe and

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mimic back the same words that everyone

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else is saying . That's an interesting

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thing , because I know that Taylor Swift

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has been in the news recently because there's

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been this weird phenomenon , or people

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have gone around and said you know , they

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spent a thousand dollars or more on these tickets

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. The tickets for this concert are just

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outrageous , incredibly

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expensive and yet people are willing to buy

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it . Right , they go to the concert because they

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want to see her sing the songs and

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have that memory which is interesting

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, like why , if you know all the words to

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the songs , why do you go to a show to see

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the person ? There's just something about that . You want

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to remember that . There's been this weird thing

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in the news where they're showing that

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people are flat out forgetting Large

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portions of time while at

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the concert or don't even remember

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going to the concert , so unless they see

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themselves like posted pictures there , or

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if they see themselves Singing or

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they had taken something that captured them

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in the space , otherwise they're like the only

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thing . That only reason I even know I went to this concert

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is because my bank account charged me for it

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and people told me I was there . It's

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interesting . So the short version of it

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is the fact that Taylor

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Swift is a witch . There's really no way around that

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. Go on YouTube . There's incredible amounts

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of Christians that have dedicated time and time

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again , going through her lyrics in her life and

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things that show that Taylor Swift

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is a straight-up witch . There's no way around that , and

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she absolutely hates Christians , especially

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conservative Christians . Weird who

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would have thought okay , so Taylor Swift

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doing that ? Satan cannot create

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anything , but he is very

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good at mimicking things and then twisting . I mean

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, what is sin ? Sin is either a

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different heart direction or twisting

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a Specific thing that God said was good

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and putting it outside of the confines of

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God's design . So , for instance , what

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is sex ? Sex is good , god says . God

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tells us what we should have sex and that it's

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an important part of the covenant that

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we have with our spouses . However , having

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sex outside of marriage is considered

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a sin . Right , having too much food

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is gluttony , having too much alcohol

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is drunkardness , like the list goes

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on and on . Having something and twisting

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it outside of that , outside of the confines

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of the way that God designed it to be , is a

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sin If you're trying to control people

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like narcissism is literally a form

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of witchcraft because it causes an

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intended outcome of Manipulating

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another person . The interesting thing

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about how this is all playing out is

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witchcraft , and if you look at different

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Religions around the world , what do they typically

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have ? They have music . I know that in

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places that are like more tropical down

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in , like Puerto Rico , or in Cuba

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or even Southern California , so

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there is a large amount

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of people that are practicing openly Santoria

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. Santoria is an interesting religion

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, particularly because it came

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over from Africa during the slave trade

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as a form of trying to act

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like they were getting along . A lot of the people that were

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tribal people that were caught by

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other tribes and then sold to

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the the Western world

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and I'm not saying that's good

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in the slightest , but one of the things that ended

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up happening was they wanted to preserve

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their tradition , right Like . One of the thing is , people

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don't like change . They like their heritage

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, they like what their beliefs and things are

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, and so those can be really challenging for

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any person at any point in history , and so

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, if you look on the surface , catholicism

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is the predominant religion in Puerto

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Rico . However , one

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of the things that you have to consider is that

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there's been this huge uprising

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of Santoria . Santoria does not

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have a specific book like there's

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no , there's no structure in the way

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that , like the Christian church is . Instead

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, what they did was they're like oh yeah , we believe the same

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things as you Catholics do . We just we just

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call them different things . And so they interact

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with spirits . They use drums , they have priests

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and priestesses who go into

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trances and become possessed . They believe

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that there's a codependent group of spirits

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that specifically has a

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symbiotic relationship with them , in

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a way that that we depend on them and

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they depend on us and and so if they

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are forgotten , basically that

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and if they're not worshiped , that they'll

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die . And it's interesting , like weird

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. Hmm , so you look at that and you think , okay

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, well , yeah , that sounds a lot like a demon . Let's

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yeah , it's not even like a question for most

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of us that are , if you're into the

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subject matter of this particular podcast

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, then , yeah , you think like oh , yeah , that's not really

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a big deal . So they use traditional music

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and ways to try and gain

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wisdom and direction and things . It's

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not any different than no , as a Christian

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we're not supposed to interact with , like horoscopes

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or tarot cards or any of these things trying to

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find and force an idea

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on what the future may hold

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from something outside of God's

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design . Okay , and so think

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about when people are at concerts

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, what are they doing ? They are singing

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in unison , they're directed at a stage

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, they're being led by an individual . A lot

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of times they're using some people might be

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on illicit drugs , a lot of people are drinking

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drinking heavily , so they're under

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the influence of different , different

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things and then , collectively , when , like one

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person's , like dogmatically just pouring

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their heart out singing this song , what does

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that look like ? Well , take that

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and think about the unity that

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is occurring between that . Satan loves

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unity , in the same way that god

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has a design , but he takes

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it and uses it for all terry , you know

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, to pull people away from who

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god is and who jesus is specifically

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. Okay , so it looks a lot

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like church . What do we do at church ? We sing

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, we have a stage . In many cases

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we have a directed leader , we might have a worship

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pastor , worship leader , and then we

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have a sermon and so on , and so , and think

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about , even in between songs , how often

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that you'll have an artist and they'll speak

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, and they'll speak on whatever it is that their political

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causes . Pretty often they'll be like you guys are

12:39

awesome and and they , they go on some

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weird rant about how they're pro abortion

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or something I I don't even know . I think about

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taylor swift that going on . I mean

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, that is a religious experience

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for so many people that there's people that start

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crying when they see her , even if

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they're like the nose blades of their . You know

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she's this tiny little speck . The only way she can even you

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can even tell that she's on that stage is because

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the megatron is showing this

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huge image of her face on either side of

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the stage or whatever . I don't actually know

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how it's set up . I don't have any interest in that . I

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do not encourage you to listen to taylor

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swift . A lot of secular music as a whole

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has this really deep rooted

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connection to the occult , and

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that's just , it's unavoidable , one of

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the things that that kind of spawned that idea

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and a tendency that I

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have started to notice myself

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and I was commenting on that and I believe that I

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I think the latest episode of

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john cooper's show uh , the lead singer of

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skillet , it's called cooper stuff . It's an outstanding

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podcast and I think he's called

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something like the rot in christian music

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and I think that he's going into the same

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direction of where I'm about to go and I was observing

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this . I haven't listened to that particular episode yet

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, so I think that we're on the same page , potentially

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, and it's this weird thing

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where you're seeing christian rock , in particular

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, taking songs from this that

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are really well known from the , from secular

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music , and then taking them and

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just covering them and maybe

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making it their own . I had this discussion with

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my son . It's interesting , you know , when it comes

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to , when we look at things in the world

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, we can appreciate the art without agreeing

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with the message . There are people that are

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incredibly like . I don't

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m&m like . M&m is known as a very

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talented individual when it comes to

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the way that he writes and expresses himself

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through his rap . He's really , really good

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at it , that's . I'm not going to argue that

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, but the message that he's sending

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is something that I can't agree with

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. And so we can . We can appreciate the art

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form without mimicking

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the heart behind it . The interesting thing about

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the word courage . So you have takes courage

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to put yourself out there . It takes

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courage to produce a podcast . It takes courage

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to produce music and let the world decide

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who you are , because they're

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all going to have a lot of different opinions . So

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a reoccurring theme in this show is

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the simple fact that I cannot speak latin

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. However , if I'm saying it wrong , I

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apologize , but it's it's just the letter c

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, o , r , core , that that is the

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root word from where we get the word courage

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in english , but it actually literally

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means for the heart . So what is

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the heart behind it is something that we use

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, and it's more allegorical when we use say

15:14

that or more more poetic is a normal person

15:16

word instead of allegory . And so why do I bring

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this up ? Well , I bring this up specifically because

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you need to ask that about the things that you're

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looking at , what you're listening to and

15:25

what you're ingesting through your mouth , because

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scripture commands us to do that . One

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of the things that was so important to me

15:31

for such a long time in my life was

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specifically music , and so , before

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Spotify and before

15:38

Apple and all those things

15:40

, I had hundreds and hundreds

15:42

of CDs , and I was very particular

15:45

about having them all alphabetically

15:47

listed by artists and

15:49

in chronological order . From there I'd

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be really uptight and I just have all these binders

15:54

of just CDs and CDs and CDs . I mean it

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was a fortune when I started to

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understand the connection between music

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, the spiritual world . I went

16:02

really aggressive and I threw

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out hundreds and hundreds of CDs

16:07

and I went through the house and I start purging

16:09

it of things that were connected to the cult , that were

16:12

opening spiritually . Now I'm not going to get totally

16:14

into that today , but my concern is the

16:16

secular music being

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sung by Christian bands

16:20

, so like Manifests particularly

16:22

. They're it's a hard rock Christian band

16:24

but now they're singing Seven Nation Army

16:26

by the White Stripes . They don't change any of the words

16:29

or anything . They make it sound kind of more dramatic

16:31

and things . It came up when I was listening to Spotify

16:33

as Christian rock list or whatever

16:35

and I was like what the heck ? I knew that it wasn't

16:37

the original because the voices are so so

16:39

much different . Aside from that , I remember

16:41

from earlier in my life no , I know all the

16:43

words to that song if it starts playing

16:46

. And then the other one that started

16:48

to get my attention was a

16:50

band that I believe calls himself Christian

16:52

, that is called Wolves of the Gate , and Wolves

16:54

of the Gate has done a cover of the

16:56

song Attack , which is probably the most

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famous song from 30 Seconds

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to Mars . What is going on

17:03

? Because we need to use discernment and look

17:05

at this . Okay , okay , well , it's a Christian band

17:07

, so it must be okay . No , no

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, that's not true . That doesn't mean anything Just

17:12

because a Christian is saying

17:14

it . What is the heart behind it ? I

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challenge you to have courage to look

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at your life . Look at the things that you're listening

17:20

to and watching . Go through and

17:22

start purging some of that , as God convicts

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you . I'm at a point where , for

17:27

the most part , I don't listen to secular

17:29

music at all . It's just a way of guarding

17:31

myself , because I know as soon as I

17:33

start back at it , then I will completely

17:36

fall back into it . And so , for me

17:38

, I'm struggling with a season where I'm

17:40

like depressed or down or whatever

17:42

. I have times where I'll lapse and I'll start listening

17:44

to the used and Taking Back

17:46

Sunday and Story of the

17:48

Year and a lot of these types

17:50

of bands , my Chemical Romance , all those

17:53

types of bands and those bands . A lot

17:55

of the heart and message behind most of their songs

17:57

is pain , suffering , depression

17:59

, and many of them has a suicide

18:01

overtone . That goes through it . And then if

18:03

I get in a really bad mood , then I'd

18:05

start listening to deaf tones because I'm trying

18:07

to work out that feeling not necessarily

18:10

profitable in that sense right , take it to

18:12

God , pray about it , work through

18:14

it with others . You are going

18:16

to experience those seasons . Of course

18:18

, maybe you need to talk to a therapist

18:21

or take some medication or something and

18:23

there's no shame in that . So absolutely

18:25

look to that as an option , at least

18:27

for me . I know that I have to pay

18:29

extra attention even on like a Spotify

18:31

playing list , so I don't know who's generating these

18:33

lists or if it's Spotify for its individuals

18:36

, it's Christian Rock Mix , and so it's not

18:38

like they go through and they vet the beliefs

18:40

of every single person that they put into

18:42

a playlist and it's kind of I

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don't know if it's done by AI or whatever , it's just kind

18:46

of arbitrary . But consider that when you're doing it

18:48

, just because a Christian is singing , it does

18:51

not mean that the message or heart or

18:53

intent is good , because we know that

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Jared Leto prayed for him . Jared

18:57

Leto , the lead singer of 30 Seconds to Mars

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, is a well-known actor , of course , as

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well , and he plays a lot of peculiar , different

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roles . I mean , the one that stands out to me in my

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mind is I think he plays the Joker in

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one of the movies Suicide Squad . In Suicide

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Squad he plays the Joker . Before I started

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really guarding myself on movies

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as a whole , you know that was one that

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I went and saw in the theaters before too , and so

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God is constantly refining me

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and working me in such ways . So we go

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to what's familiar , right Like . I admit that

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I do that . I would imagine that you

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probably do that yourself . One of the key

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things that I found within the books

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that I mentioned here at the beginning is

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Todd Bollsinger makes an excellent

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point about how discipleship

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is cross-cultural

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. He goes into quoting some different

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famous sociologists . Talks

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about how , specifically , we

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have a natural tendency in our mind

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to make everything as

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simple and singular narrative

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story in our mind when it comes to things

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like when you think of people in the world , like

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if I say right now , hey , think about people in

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Italy , there's probably some stereotypes that

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are going to come straight up , you're going to imagine

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I'm not sure what you have ideas

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of , what , immediately , italian culture

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looks like , and then I say , hell , we'll think of Germany

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. And then I say , oh , we'll think of Australia . Now think

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of Japan . Hopefully

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you thought of it . I know that you did , because that's the way

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the brain works . I can suggest something like

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don't think of a pink giraffe taking a shower

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. It's way too small of a room for

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him . And you would see that even though I said

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don't do it , you still did it . That's just how

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our brain works . We have a tendency to do that

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, and so within the Christian culture we

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have a set of beliefs and standards and we have

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a way that is the comfortable way , and as

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soon as we start Challenging

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that through leadership to change

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something within the culture , there are going to be

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people that straight-up sabotage it . They're

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going to be people that are completely

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Dogmatically against change , even

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if they know that they need to change

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. When it comes to discipleship , we

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can't Slowly suggest

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something to people . We have to get

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them to a place in relationship where they

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trust us that we can Show

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them the truth , and the truth may

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. The truth will set you free . People don't always

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want to operate that way because it's not comfortable . There's

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just , yeah , there's no way around

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that . I know I keep saying that , but there's no way around

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some of these things . So when it comes to spiritual

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warfare in the Ministry of Deliverance

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particularly , there's no way

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to easily Convince an

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entire culture to change

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or even embrace , for

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them to even embrace something like that , because

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it is so Incredibly

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different than anything that a lot of small

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churches that aren't used to that type

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of thing . If you're in a Pentecostal

21:38

church , then maybe it's an easier

21:40

sell , but then . But if you're in a Baptist

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church , it's probably not , if

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you're in a Presbyterian church , easier

21:47

sell . If you're in a Lutheran church , probably

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not . And each church is going to have its own

21:52

culture because it has unique people . But

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the the entire thing that's really important

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is there is diversity within any

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group of people and the more

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we're exposed , and that's why mission trips

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, particularly or so in the church , to

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go to other places and have

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the ability to see other

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cultures and see not only the things

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that are different but more importantly , the things

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that are in common and just see how people are

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and their human nature and Know

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what , what keeps us together in the kingdom

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and of Christ and them of God . I've

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had a unique experience where I've traveled extensively

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, probably more than most people will ever

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in their life , because of my career in the Air Force , required

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that of me . I know for most people it's

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going to be a challenge to embrace diversity

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. That's exactly what's modeled for

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us by Jesus Christ . Jesus

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comes into a world that is a different

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culture than heaven , and he goes to different

22:44

groups of people , comes first for

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the , for the Jews , but he also

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is here for the Gentiles , of course , too

22:51

. As he travels and he lives

22:53

, jesus was obviously interacting

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with different cultures in different places

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as he traveled . That is a key part

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of Discipleship is seeing the things

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that we have in common with one another . So if

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you want to talk to people about

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deliverance and spiritual warfare and these things

23:08

and it's something that they're not accustomed to talking

23:10

about Then , yes , you are gonna have

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to build up trust and get to a point

23:14

where you can have those conversations

23:16

with them and and then just Prayerfully

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pursue from there that the Lord will open

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their eyes to seeing the deceptions going

23:23

on around them , whether it's the music they're listening

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to or the different cultures . A final note

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that I wanted to talk about was in

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the last episode I came down pretty hard on

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the King James version and expressed

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about how it's not a Particularly

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profitable way to start a new believer

23:37

. However , I'd hopefully did not come

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across in a way that saying that you should never read the

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King James version . I got challenged with that

23:44

this week in my own personal time because

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the King James version was so prolific . It's

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going to be used by a lot of people

23:51

. For instance , for me , I'm doing a devotional

23:53

from Charles Virgin and then I was listening

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to a sermon from Charles Virgin and when

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I was listening to that , what guess what Bible he

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reads ? He reads the King James version . It's in the 1800s

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. So , yes , it's not that that

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rare and because of my experience

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with the King James version of the Bible

24:09

, it was exposing me to a different culture

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. The way that people preached in the 1800s

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is a lot different than they preached today . It's

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not a bad thing . There's a lot of value in

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our forefathers and people that have gone

24:19

before us and spreading the message , and

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Charles Virgin is an Outstanding person

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to learn from . Even now , when

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you go and you listen to his sermons

24:27

or read his books , they still have a lot of value

24:30

. If you're familiar with the King James version

24:32

, you're going to be able to

24:34

communicate in that culture much more

24:36

effectively , because he just uses

24:38

a vocabulary that simply is a

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Shakespearean old English vocabulary

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at times . If you're familiar with it

24:45

, then you just read right over it and you just keep processing

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the content Absolutely . Make

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sure that you're you're considering all the cultures

24:52

that you're exposing yourself to , and use

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discernment when it comes to the music

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, the media , anything that you're listening to

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, watching , eating , any of those things . They

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all matter and they all should at

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some point , as God convicts you , lead

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you to have a higher standard , that is

25:07

, more Christ like each day . I wish you guys the

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best and I will see you in the next episode .