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Twenty Twenty one of the Rayburn House

1:01

office building here in the Capital complex

1:03

in Washington D C. And here in

1:05

the gates off. We Do Not tolerate

1:07

bullies. We. Particularly don't like it

1:09

when it constraints free speech and on

1:12

college campuses, we've seen an increasing number

1:14

of administrators try to. Skirt.

1:16

The law avoid the constitution and

1:18

really limit what can be said

1:20

that we would normally allow, particularly

1:22

if it's somewhat expressing a viewpoint

1:25

on the political right. The executive

1:27

producer of this podcast, Joel Valdez,

1:29

our communications director actually I think

1:31

kind of came to us by

1:33

virtue of the free Speech on

1:35

college campus movement and you know,

1:37

job and get into that in

1:39

a minute. But the latest aeration.

1:42

Or that. Got. In my craw I saw

1:44

it online. Was. At Clemson University

1:46

where a group of students

1:48

associated with the Clemson College

1:50

Republicans A were out campaigning

1:52

for a congressional candidate in

1:55

an open seat and they

1:57

had this encounter with administrators.

1:59

Ticketless. Why

2:03

would he have any citizen

2:05

and are not even. Though

2:14

they're not just. A little my we're not

2:17

here to take the lower. Using

2:23

just over one. Hundred.

2:33

Percent more he was. When

2:57

we do your doors. You.

3:14

And you. Me know

3:16

when I pointed out that on I. Robot

3:21

by with. It's

3:24

not worth what his family that

3:26

popular it to you by the

3:29

value as a yes or no

3:31

Questions: Are we selling Yes or

3:33

no? Are we selling anything? Are

3:37

you going to arrest me for

3:39

soliciting? is the road to sell

3:42

for next. Time

3:45

to way we can still save you time

3:47

for hungering. For like, hello, can you clarify like

3:49

what we're allowed to do? Not. Know

3:52

the a better version. Over.

3:56

There are people who view

3:58

mirrors. Obama.

4:03

I just need him as our we

4:05

don't have this issue in the into.

4:14

Of. Are.

4:33

The they are very few. Months.

5:02

Ago. Or I thank

5:04

you very much. We

5:07

are back Live and we're joined by

5:09

the Chairman of the Clemson College Republicans

5:12

Travertine Of In Trevor. What?

5:14

Were we watching their you

5:16

had these people with no

5:18

understanding of the First Amendment

5:20

of the policies of paint

5:22

the picture for us A

5:24

it it looked like as

5:26

an object disaster. While.

5:30

It's certainly wise. I mean, you had

5:32

to goofballs stress of there. And they're

5:34

white zip up hoodies. Som. As university

5:36

officials on a golf course they rolled

5:38

up in there are contradicting themselves. At

5:41

first, one of them said we could

5:43

take down our signage for a congressional

5:45

candidate here in the Third district, Sarah

5:47

Jones, who were canvassing for on. If.

5:50

We took down the science we could stay

5:52

there and then the other gentlemen said we

5:54

had to pack up and leave. Ah so

5:57

obviously with that contradicts in we were like.

5:59

When. Knocking down this is obviously attacking

6:01

our First amendment right. We can be out

6:03

here. We know that it's non commercial free

6:06

speech. We can do their see. Been doing

6:08

it for a while so. I. Challenge

6:10

them along my secretary, James, Uni and Die

6:12

yeah, we got the police involved. The

6:14

police officer clearly didn't know what he was

6:16

talking about either. But. Someone in

6:19

the athletics department told us to leave i'm

6:21

in and said those two Bozos to kick

6:23

us out. So. That's. How it. Went.

6:25

Down and and what? You saw the video

6:27

as be insemination taxes they tried to use

6:30

to kick us out but we stayed there

6:32

the entire day unsporting before you assembled this

6:34

group to go and engage in. First.

6:36

Member protected activities. Did you research the

6:38

rules and and know them? Or was

6:41

it just the fact that it was

6:43

so obvious that they didn't know the

6:45

rules? The really emboldens you to push

6:47

back. Or. We

6:49

we didn't need to know the rules because

6:52

we've been doing it for a long time.

6:54

We did a lot of canvassing for the

6:56

Trump Campaign with door knocking. We've been tabling

6:58

before outside of games we'd tabled for the

7:00

Trump Campaign back in October I believe on

7:03

before dame literally a hundred feet from that

7:05

spot. but I think the problem was as

7:07

we got a very good spot for tabling

7:09

this time. I right at the intersection in

7:12

front of the stadium scoreboard and I said

7:14

someone in athletics was like why we can't

7:16

have that we can't have these. Campers

7:18

conservatives out here doing what they need

7:21

to do for political candidates. Ah, so

7:23

that's what I think happened. But see,

7:25

I didn't to know the rule because

7:27

I know what it what. Canvassing is

7:29

protected under the First Amendment. And.

7:31

I clearly they didn't so that's where

7:33

we're at right now. Are going to

7:35

bring in Joe Valdez Jaw A I

7:37

want you to give the audience a

7:39

brief description of how you've been on

7:41

the front lines of the free Speech

7:43

was on college campuses. But what I

7:45

admired so much about what I saw

7:47

clint since is that these students were

7:49

respectful. They were knowledgeable, but they stood

7:51

their ground. I think a lot of

7:53

people in that situation at the first

7:55

sign of someone. In a.

7:58

Lot. For smith uniform. Showing up

8:00

would a have quiver in and

8:03

sort of sculpt away and these

8:05

hopes? really? I I think I'm.

8:07

Inspired. A lot of folks with with

8:09

a video that we saw online? Yeah,

8:12

absolutely. Trevor in the college or a

8:14

cleansing College Republicans are rock stars. And

8:16

my journey into D C starts with

8:18

having my free speech stifles on my

8:20

college campus at the time. So whenever

8:22

comes to the issue of university free

8:24

speech, that's an issue that hits close.

8:26

Don't liquid. It's very close to home

8:28

for me. When I was a freshman

8:30

at the University of Illinois Urbana Champaign

8:32

and the fall of Two thousand and

8:34

Seventeen, I was actually part of clubs

8:36

as part of Turning Point Usa. Of

8:38

a turn for us a chapter at

8:40

You Are You See And I was

8:42

also acting as an Illinois Campus Correspondent

8:45

for Campus Reform, which is a Journalism

8:47

project arm of The Leadership Institute that

8:49

reports on the frontlines of of. Liberal

8:52

bias and abuses on college campuses. And.

8:55

So what had happened in my case is

8:57

there was a university professor. Who. Was

9:00

protesting having a h a protest on

9:02

campus one year after a Trump's inauguration

9:04

on campus. Ah and you know this

9:06

is one of the guys who waves

9:08

one of the biggest anti for flags

9:10

on campus and so I thought as

9:13

a student journalists should be interesting to

9:15

see what this yeah what what this

9:17

professor pay by the public university was

9:19

saying during school hours on school grounds

9:21

arms I just went to the back

9:23

end up we have made we made

9:26

waves on the. as

9:28

we had done activism. For Turning Point so

9:30

they already knew our names and some of

9:32

our background and when I was going to

9:34

reports of this. Professor in particular

9:37

has singled me out and singled out

9:39

my crew who was recording on to

9:41

train assault us on campus try to

9:43

stop us from reporting on what he

9:45

was because he knew that we were

9:47

effective on cause campus at getting. The.

9:50

Abuse out on Fox News on Daily

9:52

Wire on some of the turning point

9:54

of programming and so out. This guy

9:57

literally charged me and my camera man

9:59

trying to. Lot of on campus trying

10:01

to stop us from reporting and what of

10:03

what what have you ever see do to

10:05

us it and give us an apology that

10:08

and say sorry. They ended up giving us

10:10

multiple disciplinary measures throughout the months leading up

10:12

to them telling me that I could no

10:14

longer re register for classes and that I

10:17

would be effectively or be kicked out of

10:19

the university for acting as a campus journalist

10:21

and so that led me to see my

10:23

university for nearly two years before closing the

10:26

case which later on President Trump in the

10:28

White House and actually highlighted. My

10:30

free Speech case against the University. And so

10:32

I give big props to Trevor and and

10:35

the Clemson cause Republicans because I personally know

10:37

what it's like to try to keep her

10:39

composure, try to get the get everything that's

10:41

happening on video and then following up with

10:43

action. Ah, it's very difficult when you

10:45

have university officials and the police in your

10:48

face telling you that you're wrong when they

10:50

can't even give you the definition of soliciting

10:52

ourselves. It's a it's a real isn't it

10:54

an assassin case on your and and I'm

10:56

glad you guys of yourselves, you fear retaliation

10:58

from the university for this type of activism

11:00

and for pushing back. Or do you get

11:02

the sense that as you've gotta a Vice

11:05

President for Student Affairs that seems to have

11:07

taken your side in. This. Yeah.

11:09

Yes, I'll speak to him a little

11:12

bit. His name's Chris Miller. He's done

11:14

a fantastic job and promoting free speech

11:16

on campus As is not the first

11:18

controversy the college Republicans at Clemson have

11:20

been a part of. We've caught up

11:22

a drag show in the past and

11:24

most recently we got ah feminine products

11:26

and tampons from your from the men's

11:28

bathrooms on campus and we got a

11:30

but backlash from the socialists on campus.

11:33

Odd that the blue haired you name

11:35

it. Ah. South. So they have

11:37

actually I support us in our free

11:39

speech efforts and they have done nothing

11:41

to curtail that whatsoever. but this is

11:43

a symptom of a different issue. Clearly

11:46

someone in athletics has a problem with

11:48

freedom of speech on our and and

11:50

I hate that it on browse the

11:52

entire university because I think the university's

11:54

been very good on free speech on

11:56

our and ah bites. They. Still

11:59

be athletic. I'm in. The Police

12:01

do need to apologize for this because

12:03

it's absolutely asinine that they tried to

12:05

kick us out for simply canvassing and

12:07

using our First amendment rights. Would.

12:09

Are you seeking any sort

12:11

of response from the athletics

12:14

department or the university at

12:16

large regarding this episode and

12:18

the consequences that should come

12:20

to a whatever administration officials

12:22

and tried to to. Act.

12:25

In this unconstitutional way towards you and your

12:27

club. Yeah,

12:29

yeah, I am seeking a public written

12:31

apology from both the athletics department and

12:33

the police department for not only are

12:35

Club for also the club's nation, why

12:37

the other conservative organizations and also this

12:39

is non. this is freedom of speech

12:41

so it could be democrats as well.

12:43

You should be able to use your

12:45

freedom of speech anywhere you please outside

12:47

on at a public institution like this

12:49

at Clemson. and it's to set a

12:51

precedent for these other schools that were

12:53

going into election season and everyone should

12:55

have the right to canvass outside of

12:57

these types of events. So I

12:59

would like this public apology to be

13:01

used as sort of inspiration for others

13:03

schools to just simply use freedom of

13:06

Speech policy that we all know and

13:08

love. And. And implemented everywhere.

13:10

So I'm I'm seeking for a public

13:12

apology from both departments and I have

13:14

yet to anything back from them. Yet

13:16

at the very least, I wanted an

13:18

apology for my university and from the

13:20

unhinged professor who attempted to assault me

13:22

on camera. but instead I got threatened

13:24

with endless disciplinary actions and eventually got

13:26

kicked out of school. and of are

13:28

there any kind of remedies or specific

13:30

changes and university policy that you are

13:32

like to see from Clemson to ensure

13:34

that this kind of harassment never happens

13:36

again. Yeah. Why mean

13:39

it? It kind of starts with. Yeah.

13:41

Teaching these university fish because I was

13:43

told that the the two gentlemen that

13:45

first arrived or sub contracted by the

13:47

university but that doesn't matter. still under

13:49

the jurisdiction of university they still hired

13:51

them on. I'm as vet staff. And.

13:55

Ah, some an athletics told them. To.

13:57

To kick us out. So therefore someone

13:59

at a. What it needs to be taught. What's.

14:02

Is protected and what isn't And

14:04

well our speech was was freedom

14:07

of speech. It's it's canvassing for

14:09

a political candidates and. That's.

14:12

Something messages know an eye out of it

14:14

needs just be over the head with these

14:16

people of the police officer clear we didn't

14:18

notice talk about either. So the police departments

14:20

to do a better job at educating their

14:23

officers on specific policies regarding this because what's

14:25

this is it's the reason why blew up

14:27

as it's a form of intimidation and it

14:29

it does not look good on anyone's part

14:32

to kick a bunch of causes out for

14:34

for activism like this and you know that's

14:36

why I blew up so I just don't

14:38

want to happen in the future. but I

14:41

will say on. The appeals process in

14:43

which we know got reported to the.

14:45

Glorified. Principal's Office as I call it.

14:49

Called off the Office of Community and

14:51

Ethical Standards and we went straight to

14:53

the top through Chris Miller and he

14:56

exonerated of us have all wrong doings

14:58

me and my secretary because we did

15:00

nothing wrong. So the appeal process works

15:03

ads and it's just a matter of.

15:05

What? Actually happens happens and I don't

15:08

want to happen again. I think this

15:10

is going to happen again all over

15:12

the country. Actually, I think it's been

15:14

happening and I think that oftentimes it's

15:17

the Conservatives that have to be the

15:19

dissident resistant voice on college campuses are.

15:21

I'd love to start with you forever.

15:24

Like advice to other conservatives on college

15:26

campuses who want to express of viewpoints

15:28

who might face a hostile administration of

15:30

now that you've you've been through that

15:33

you seem to have a come out

15:35

the other. Side quite successful and convincing

15:37

of the administration that this conduct is

15:40

allowed and in the behavior that was

15:42

directed against youth us to be disallowed.

15:44

But give a give us your your

15:46

advice from the trail. Yeah.

15:49

Suicide! Been doing this for about two

15:51

years now and I've been tabling outside

15:53

of and spit out I've been costs

15:56

that I'm really just gotta have fixed

15:58

and and you gotta record everything. Anywhere

16:00

in the digital age where everything's but out

16:02

there and just so happen are Pr Director

16:04

Joni Mitchell recorded this you know, behind my

16:06

back I didn't even know shoes recording it.

16:09

So that's just what nice and people need

16:11

to be held accountable and the public sphere

16:13

and what I would encourage young can service

16:15

to do As if they encounter anything like

16:17

this to record it to do whatever they

16:19

need to do to put it out there

16:21

to social media Because yeah you can only

16:24

talk about it so much to your inner

16:26

circle on people around the university but knows

16:28

actually going to believe you must. Have been

16:30

in a physical evidence and showing that people

16:32

so I would encourage that also just have

16:34

thick skin. I mean. Don't.

16:37

Be scared of these people. They're just bureaucrats

16:39

I'm are so they don't know they're talking

16:41

about. And you're in the right

16:43

to don't back down. Ever. If. You

16:45

encounter some these people. I mean it's it's

16:47

it's it's gonna be a part of the

16:50

political sphere for from now until. I

16:52

die probably. but. You. Can't just

16:54

let that affect. she's gotta have thick

16:57

skin and just push through. What I

16:59

love is the contrast at the thoughtfulness

17:01

and the respect that was shown when

17:03

conservatives were having this interaction. It's a

17:05

imagine if this had been a bunch

17:07

of. Gender. Purple haired will

17:09

tell peons you know they've been trying

17:12

to assault the police officer. They would

17:14

have been ranting and raving and there

17:16

was just there was a discipline their

17:18

and and really a majority that is

17:20

admirable and I think central to the

17:22

success of this moment. For your clubs

17:24

job, what advice would you give conservative

17:26

activists on campus about how to endure

17:28

these moments? Deny I think Trevor Nils

17:30

some of the some the key points

17:32

on that get everything on camera. From

17:35

all angles, many cameras as he can

17:37

definitely know your rights deftly understand how

17:39

you're being perceived on Cameron. How you

17:41

can use that in follow backs and

17:43

ah, But. Also hope hope

17:45

is. Yeah. I think on social

17:47

media you got a lot of us a

17:49

backup from lot of good people and so

17:51

hopefully that these members. In

17:53

the cause concern Republicans can see

17:56

that courage is contagious in our

17:58

on my in my university. Insane

18:00

reaction to me exposing their one of their

18:02

faculty professors are spooked a lot of members

18:05

from during future activism. when they saw how

18:07

hard we came they came down on as

18:09

it did take a few years to eventually

18:12

see that there's light at the end of

18:14

a tunnel, but. Hopefully from

18:16

seeing how you stood your ground for your

18:18

members are standing your ground in the back

18:20

at that, You're getting that. Hopefully you know,

18:22

like you said, have to have thick skin

18:24

but at the same time I know that

18:26

there is going to be some backup from

18:28

a some from some the fighters I'm and

18:30

I'm interested in in your reaction. Trevor, What

18:32

What kind of our reaction have you gotten

18:34

from our from some of your fellow college

18:36

republicans on campus After this. Hour

18:39

or all locked and right now he

18:41

really enjoyed the adrenaline rush that it

18:43

kind of gave because it it showed

18:45

a lot of people to. We have

18:47

a lotta young freshmen in our club

18:49

right now they haven't really experienced, you

18:51

know what? It. Actually means to be

18:54

a conservative on a college campus and sometimes

18:56

you have to deal with this stuff and

18:58

I thought everyone handle that so perfect way

19:00

because when that police officer was asking for

19:02

my driver's license and my secretaries driver's license

19:04

he can a cat gone down the chain

19:06

and so I stepped up and it's not

19:08

in the video I was actually cut up

19:10

like I'd stepped up that I'm like I'll

19:12

take all the blame for it. I don't

19:14

want anyone else getting caught and this while

19:16

but he would have kept going and asking

19:18

for other people's driver's license I believe. but

19:20

that did not face any of my club

19:23

members. That were behind us, they were

19:25

sitting there. They are out there wanting

19:27

to see, can send you to politically

19:29

canvas out how to speak to that.

19:31

They've been you know, phenomenal arm all

19:33

year with not only tabling for this,

19:35

The table and for pro life issues,

19:37

emigration it, you name it. they've been

19:39

absolute workhorses so credit to them. But.

19:42

It serves of their response from other

19:44

people. I mean, if the college Republicans

19:46

the turning point chapter here at clubs

19:48

and they've been all supportive. I mean,

19:50

everything that happened was totally ridiculous and

19:52

asinine. Like I said, so every once

19:55

in our corner and even the parents

19:57

tear you down a lot of angry

19:59

parents. The. Sending. Emails

20:01

and phone calls for the athletics department, the

20:03

police department and that's what we need. Honestly,

20:05

because that's what it's gonna take you down.

20:07

It's was the arms of these people because

20:09

they'd need to as you a public apology

20:12

and it's going to take people calling their

20:14

office and and letting him know that hey,

20:16

this is wrong I never thought I'd see

20:18

a story come on at Clemson University like

20:20

this, I I expected it. As you know

20:23

you see U C Berkeley, California expected it

20:25

on liberal college campuses like my own, but

20:27

I didn't expect to from Clemson University. Does

20:29

it surprise you that. Your university attempted

20:32

to. Sit down your freedom of

20:34

speech. and Why do you think that these officials were

20:36

so locked in on you guys specifically? I.

20:40

Wanna say it is a political sway

20:42

by someone in the athletics department? I

20:44

think they saw us outside of spring

20:46

game. That was pretty successful. right outside

20:48

their scoreboard arm and they were like

20:50

we can't be haven't that So we

20:52

gotta get him outta here. Ah, But.

20:55

I I'm in. Like I said before,

20:57

I think the university has been very

20:59

good on free speech. Just a specific

21:01

incident, they need to work on it.

21:03

I mean, this is absolutely ridiculous that

21:06

this is allowed, especially when we've done

21:08

this type of canvassing before. Ah, But.

21:10

Yeah, I mean you would expect it

21:12

from U C Berkeley were word nothing

21:14

is able to be said out loud

21:16

by conservative voices. But. Unfortunately,

21:19

it happened at Clemson University, which is

21:21

right in the heart of the South

21:23

and conservative country. I mean, The Pickens

21:25

Trump Rally. It's had tens of thousands

21:27

of people show up to it. You

21:29

would think it's like. Ripe,

21:31

For the Cause for Freedom of Speech.

21:34

But I mean, unfortunately, it just wasn't

21:36

But I think there's a lesson in

21:38

that. I think the lesson is there.

21:40

There are these tyrants on every college

21:42

campus now. They might not be in

21:44

charge of every area, and they might

21:46

not ultimately prevail when there's a good

21:48

appeal process and review process. But it

21:51

is. This can emerge at Clemson. It

21:53

could emerge in the Bible Belt, in

21:55

the Deep South's anywhere. And that's why

21:57

it requires vigilance. And and it's also

21:59

why. It requires consequences. I don't

22:01

think it's sufficient for the university

22:04

to address this issue simply by

22:06

stating that Clemson College Republicans did

22:08

nothing wrong. I think Clemson University

22:11

needs to specifically remediate with the

22:13

individuals that made these decisions and

22:15

any policy that was vague or

22:17

unclear that was relied upon to

22:20

have this deeply tortured interpretation the

22:22

last. So I wanted you to

22:24

know Trevor that up. My office

22:26

is sending a letter to the

22:29

President of Clemson. University President Clemens

22:31

and were politely asking for of

22:33

the information regarding the people who

22:35

were involved up their employment, up

22:37

for which offices they work and

22:40

what affirmative steps Clemson is taking

22:42

to ensure that staff comport with

22:44

the First Amendment and I think

22:46

that's your call for a public

22:48

apology would be an obvious steps

22:50

that one could take to ensure

22:53

that the right message is sent

22:55

to all the staff. So what

22:57

will be sending this letter to

22:59

Clemson University? Today I think it.

23:01

it is a very unfortunate that this

23:03

event happened in the first place, but

23:05

it we cannot allow it to just

23:07

exist as a viral number on social

23:10

media. It has to be a teaching

23:12

moment for for precisely the reason Joel

23:14

said because this is spreading like Kudzu

23:16

this desire to to limit speech ah

23:18

and so eager to get earth a

23:20

your reaction to that and and and

23:22

good got a few more questions for

23:24

you, that about South Carolina politics. Yeah.

23:27

Yeah, of course. I mean, I think that's

23:29

awesome And and this information does need to

23:32

be shown to the public And and we

23:34

need to know who did this and who

23:36

signed off on it Because clearly, like I

23:38

said, is to since it's symptomatic of that

23:41

kudzu like you're talking about, you know, infecting

23:43

even a more right wing institution as you'd

23:45

call it at Clemson. And

23:47

I yeah, we need to get more

23:49

information about that because it's it's totally

23:52

ridiculous. But and this is not the

23:54

only campus Amazon. I mean, we're on

23:56

Broward under the I College Republicans of

23:59

America. There's chapters. The Northeast and

24:01

and other crazy liberal places that

24:03

deal with the stuff all the

24:05

time and and having that or.

24:09

Have all these called Republican chapters to

24:11

gather. You're working together to social media.

24:13

Just general support is so helpful. but

24:15

Congress and Gates that is an awesome

24:18

letter I'd I do appreciate you. Are

24:20

you a sticking up for us on

24:22

the spur? Half an hour and am

24:24

hearing that. There. May be

24:26

officials i clemson University watching this very podcast

24:28

right now. Can you talk to be more

24:31

bothered Her And if you've heard any information

24:33

on Earth the response. Yeah.

24:36

Yeah, so I mean the universe

24:38

is clearly watching this right now.

24:40

Because I mean, This. Is

24:42

bad Pr for them and bad Pr

24:45

as means money. It means a lot

24:47

of things are going wrong on there

24:49

and the which is unfortunate because like

24:51

I said I like Clemson University, but

24:53

this is the problem that was created

24:55

under them and they have the answer

24:57

for it. So if President Clemmensen and

25:00

Vice President a Student Affairs Chris or

25:02

Watching I mean this is something that

25:04

we would like not only as just

25:06

conservatives but as a student body we

25:08

do need. You. Know answers for

25:10

this and we do need a

25:12

public statements about this at a

25:14

minimum so I that's you know

25:17

if they're watching. I do encourage

25:19

that's to to be done and

25:21

while this was an unfortunate events

25:23

I actually think that this can

25:25

turn into a very positive experience.

25:27

If the reaction to this is

25:29

thoughtful and thorough and very clear

25:31

then I actually think Clemson could

25:33

come out of this are looking

25:35

pretty good if instead this is

25:37

ignored it's this is treated as.

25:39

Well you know students to just you know

25:41

respect. When anyone else tells them what to

25:44

do then that is gonna metastasize And than

25:46

those negative consequences that you talk about will

25:48

will grow more severe unnecessarily. I think that

25:50

that the apology is us is an important

25:52

thing, but I do want to zoom out

25:54

since I have you here. it's you Bet

25:56

On the frontlines of this fight at Joe

25:58

has his wealth. Would love you to

26:01

share with our audience. What? Issues

26:03

you find our animating college republicans

26:05

and young conservatives and we see

26:07

on the broader she matrix immigration

26:09

leading the way, certainly the price

26:11

of goods, but what are you

26:13

hearing about from your member since

26:15

and other folks of or that

26:18

that are driving really a lot

26:20

of it's a generational shift in

26:22

people under thirty toward more conservative

26:24

policies and conservative causes. Where.

26:26

You mentioned emigration and that is the

26:29

number one issue that I've talked up.

26:31

cause Republicans turning points members about and

26:33

it's it's use because it's it's changing

26:36

the voter demographic rapidly so that's going

26:38

affect us down the road. We are

26:40

we gonna win elections with this specific

26:43

issue but asked to Affecting South Carolinians

26:45

as a whole Arm Eighty Five runs

26:47

through Atlanta to Charlotte which also cuts

26:50

to the upstairs South Carolina which is

26:52

right where where place or universities place

26:54

and that's where a lot of drugs.

26:56

Or ran through. A lot

26:59

a gang activity. ah you know, from the

27:01

border and if we don't shut that down,

27:03

it's gonna start. It it has

27:05

killed South Carolinians or spent now pouring

27:07

and as as many other states experience

27:09

but we have such a big interstate

27:11

going through the heart of South Carolina

27:14

that. We've. Busted drugs before and

27:16

it's all from these Mexican drug cartels and

27:18

these people or animals. And if we don't

27:20

lock it down. Then. We're

27:23

going to have no law and order and

27:25

we're not gonna have a voter demographics in

27:27

this country that represents Americans. So that's a

27:29

huge issue that I think most college students

27:31

right now are very worried about, especially with

27:33

Light and Riley that was only a few

27:36

hundred miles south of us and and and

27:38

that was terrible and for that the have

27:40

to a caution on a college campus. It

27:42

does scare a lot of people, so it

27:44

could happen at Clemson University. To you just

27:46

never know. So that's that's a huge issue.

27:48

I envision spring and lot of young people,

27:51

especially conservatives to the. Polls. Saudi.

27:53

Sand In terms of, this means

27:55

the under thirty crowd was a

27:57

core feature of the Democrat coalition.

28:00

Under Obama and then initially under Biden

28:02

and we are seeing a real shift

28:04

their what issues you think are driving

28:06

that? Yeah I think the aside from

28:09

just of from immigration which is obviously

28:11

a big issue I think the students

28:13

are starting the to see the bleak

28:15

future of the economy and jobs in

28:17

general. I. Think now that they're

28:19

college degrees are being extremely diluted and

28:21

they're getting this rude awakening that it's

28:24

becoming very hard to get a job

28:26

after this promise. And going to college

28:28

for four years has that promises not

28:30

been broken to them? You know, John

28:32

C. Generations I'm endorsing less money on

28:35

their wallets and they're roughly that's being

28:37

reflected. Ah, I'm from the folks who

28:39

urgent just entering the job force for

28:41

the first time, so I think some

28:43

of these activism economic experiences under Joe

28:45

Biden is. As definitely created a bleak

28:48

future in which they are going back to be

28:50

years of prosperity that we saw new President Trump's

28:52

I think that's gonna be a big factor some

28:54

of them. Are undeniably.

28:56

I think these economic conditions are are

28:58

leading Jens to may be a different

29:00

place than the younger millennials who stayed

29:02

living with their parents. Oh, this new

29:04

version of Jens actually liked. Starts with

29:06

a ham i won't buy a house

29:09

one day and. You. Won't be

29:11

able to. These interest rates are Trevor.

29:13

I also wanted to ask you questions

29:15

about the Palmetto State your South Carolina

29:17

gave President Trump. This overwhelming victory basically

29:19

drives Nikki Haley out of the race,

29:21

but. What? Do you see as that as

29:23

the trends? I thought your analysis on the

29:25

eighty five thing was was really good or

29:27

other other things in South Carolina us better

29:30

that people around the country might want to

29:32

know about. Yeah,

29:34

so a lot of people with

29:36

think that South Carolina's ruby red

29:38

which it is by the the

29:40

state legislature does not reflect that

29:42

actually. Ah I see pack Abby

29:44

American Conservative union rates South Carolina

29:46

as a second most liberal republican

29:49

super majorities in the country and

29:51

as because we have a lot

29:53

of rhinos and our state legislature

29:55

that save air republican and conservative

29:57

but they vote a different way

29:59

or. The issue these ridiculous bills that

30:01

are basically ironed out by the Chamber of

30:03

Commerce and and they basically dictate a lot

30:05

with of lot a lot of what happens

30:08

in South Carolina. And so

30:10

I think there needs to be

30:12

a big push at creating the

30:14

Freedom Caucus. You know, making it

30:16

larger in South Carolina and states

30:18

abroad because. What? We have. Is

30:20

this? The good ole boy system in

30:23

South Carolina has been absolutely destroying our

30:25

state for years? And you know, It's.

30:28

It's been a lot of water down

30:30

bills that could have been way more

30:32

conservative and I see states like your

30:34

state, congressman, Florida that are passing. Extremely

30:36

conservative legislation and we can't even get

30:38

a constitutional carry bill passed and a

30:41

good pro. I feel pass because of

30:43

the rhinos in the state legislature so

30:45

it's a there's been a big push

30:47

on our and to get a lot

30:49

of these people that are actually conserved

30:52

of elected I'm so we're doing a

30:54

lot of work on our and with

30:56

what's door knocking canvassing like we did

30:58

this past Saturday. odds to fix that

31:00

so I curse people and their own

31:03

states. You. Tried push for more

31:05

Freedom Caucus members to join their state

31:07

legislature with our primary. It's June Eleventh

31:09

Bites. I could be different in another

31:11

state so I'm definitely latch on to

31:14

someone you believe as conservative and run

31:16

with that because that's how you make

31:18

a change for yeah and I won't

31:20

ask you this question. Is it something

31:22

I struggle with? I get all these

31:25

candidates from all over the country. That's

31:27

it'll. become very interested in wanting to

31:29

align with a bill that we've sponsored

31:31

or have have some. Some operates events

31:33

are opportunities. And when. They're

31:35

running. They all kind of sound the same.

31:38

Everyone. Says they're a great champion for

31:40

liberty. Everyone says that they don't want

31:42

forever wars. Everybody says that they're date,

31:44

they don't want the surveillance state that

31:46

the all they want to cut spending

31:49

the definitely want to cause metics. They're

31:51

willing to take chances to secure the

31:53

border and then they get years ed

31:55

at at the first side of criticism.

31:57

Or. The first moment where you gotta use a

31:59

live. Leverage or take a little criticism, they're

32:01

hiding under their desks and so right. Me,

32:04

you're betting tools like what would you talk

32:06

to? Someone decides whether or not you're going

32:08

to go out there and sweat on a

32:10

Saturday afternoon or as a talk to folks

32:12

on their way to Eclipse in Football gets?

32:14

How did you know they're worth it? What

32:16

are the issues And in one of the

32:18

tells that did you look for the most

32:21

obviously Widow Joelle does not have to quell

32:23

he's working for me as out as if

32:25

you. Are. Come on down

32:27

by yourself sharks. Ah but but the

32:29

big thing is one hundred percent money.

32:32

Ah so that's F E C filings

32:34

you know? Follow the money.org Saucer good

32:36

website that we used to that

32:38

candidates because that's is that Psu is

32:41

going to be reflecting what they believe

32:43

is is who's giving them money. If

32:45

it's more grassroots people that's who I'm

32:48

in favor for because as representing the

32:50

people of South Carolina and abroad.

32:52

But if they're getting money from speak

32:54

super pacs and and lobbyist. Like

32:56

there's a big problem with lawyer legislators

32:58

and the state that dictate a lot

33:01

of stuff and med and as a

33:03

whole nother issue. But. The

33:05

money's a big one Also, who their friends

33:07

with? You can use like the social media

33:09

as a good batting tool to to see

33:12

like grew, they falling. Who were were they

33:14

interacting with? Is it establishment people as it

33:16

rhinos? If it is and they're not the

33:18

candidate for me. That's why you know the

33:21

Freedom Caucus people there. the more grassroots people

33:23

there them, they're the people getting the money

33:25

from the people of South Carolina. Therefore, I,

33:27

you know I and my club members kind

33:30

of gravitate towards them. More so than any.

33:32

Thanks of Money is probably the biggest. Driver

33:35

and the relationship aspect is is what

33:37

I used to that people. That's incredible.

33:39

I was not expecting you to give

33:41

that a answer. I thought you would

33:43

say it's a particular issue said or

33:45

a way that somebody made their presentation.

33:47

You You go right to the dollars

33:49

and cents. And frankly, that's probably good

33:51

a system is any. Because. We

33:53

see people up here that kowtow to their

33:56

donors and subject at the interest of their

33:58

constituency. Got a better vetting stretch? The Jewel?

34:00

Yeah, yeah, my mind was a little bit

34:02

easier beforehand. Really came down to two questions.

34:05

One, What'd you think of the former disgrace

34:07

speaker Kevin Mccarthy into? Would you say it?

34:09

Publicly, Scientists? That's the job. If you're challenged,

34:11

hired, or all away from me to run

34:14

your Podcast, those are the questions you may

34:16

have to answer. Will Trevor We wish you

34:18

and all of your club members are the

34:20

best of luck. We're going to keep you

34:23

updated regarding the responses we get from Clemson

34:25

or sorry you had to do that. But

34:27

actually, I think it's a shining example of

34:29

how. To respond with maturity and with

34:31

grace and with knowledge. And my hope

34:33

is that a lot of different students

34:36

at Clemson and beyond see this, that

34:38

they join your club, that they're right

34:40

there alongside you and that you guys

34:42

are able to have a great opportunity

34:44

for for free speech. Also always say

34:46

Control for Poland Double duty producing this

34:48

podcast and are joining me again as

34:50

a guest. So appreciate O L before

34:53

let's go tournament Trevor folks want us

34:55

to follow the activities of the club

34:57

or support the club. Make a pitch

34:59

for where they get, where they can

35:01

go, how they can follow you, find

35:03

you. Yeah. Absolutely see.

35:05

Could follow the clubs and College Republicans

35:07

on acts at Clemson see ours or

35:10

Instagram at Clemson College Wrap. That's where

35:12

you can find us primarily Asa. We

35:14

do a lot of work with the

35:16

College Republicans of America their ass on

35:18

acts and Instagram as you ask college

35:20

to appease. So that's where you can

35:23

find us. is so much going on

35:25

and a conservative space for young people

35:27

on college campuses south? Definitely I will

35:29

keep you posted on stuff on our

35:31

and ah because I don't envision as

35:34

being the only. Time we are involved

35:36

and controversy? Well I hope the next time

35:38

we have you on it's It's to talk

35:40

about your great insights about the shape of

35:42

the electorate in the issues, motivating people and

35:44

less because you're being harassed. but thanks so

35:47

much of a rather some while the credits.