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everybody, welcome to this week's

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episode of the Flats and Shanks Guinness

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Six Nations podcast. I

1:32

am doing it from further

1:34

south west than normal. I'm

1:36

in Devon and Tommy Boy looks to

1:38

be on a Chesterfield sofa

1:41

at the Phoenix Club. I'm

1:43

in the main boudoir, which I don't

1:45

get let into very often. Oh

1:47

no. Let me tell you,

1:49

let me tell you. Yeah. Um,

1:52

house is full. So Just

1:54

trying to hide away, mate, trying to hide

1:56

away. Office is too loud. Got kids running

1:58

around. I did notice. That you are

2:00

in a pair of like Keira. Cycling.

2:03

Shorts. Taught. Me

2:05

A bomb try for know day listeners

2:08

know of.normal pair Chino shorts on the

2:10

when I sit down. They.

2:12

Do look a bit type level. I stand up

2:14

there about right. But. Your trousers,

2:16

are you Chinos? That.

2:19

Scaring us. Either.

2:22

Side. Of thing recently while I do

2:24

is I won't say the brand because

2:26

they were really nice and coincide a

2:28

brand. But. I.

2:31

Downloaded. Trousers But my dimensions A

2:33

measured everything literally with a tape measure, the

2:35

kitchen table, you know, put your measurements in

2:37

and I make them come of it. and

2:39

they sent us from those repairs. And

2:43

they were not miles off and it was

2:45

lot of a i completely be like nah

2:47

that's right they say right what's prepared raids

2:49

on that fit and tell us the measurements,

2:52

those gains. That's why did exactly that. Janes

2:55

or where every. And.

2:59

Fan about Whoa! This is miles off. Saw

3:01

that right? I'll actually come in and do

3:03

it because it makes more sense when ain't

3:05

got measured by member staff that the whole

3:07

thing measured me once twice thrice to check.

3:10

Reset the trousers in different sizes nothing

3:12

say had to send or back and

3:14

actually. Will. Be nice to people

3:17

but I'm Patsy. Gave up. That actually didn't

3:19

set to but get really excited. Life had

3:21

to answer the internet and he find a

3:23

pair to nose and. A

3:25

cool the die young's for. You know they'll

3:27

fit. Shithead I saw

3:29

wide see as whites. the gender

3:31

was area good world's biggest Cavs.

3:34

Are. Seeing. Her. Want at.

3:37

Dies. Yeah.

3:41

Yeah. Die. Young Chinos made

3:43

for oxen. That. Invokes in cover

3:45

big costs because I like such a

3:48

mess. Lot mates was having the having

3:50

pick scarves be a great thing is

3:52

such a move is it's bit like

3:54

when you hear people say Mike Tyson

3:57

I think said once the only people

3:59

who. Pretty wanna be really rich

4:01

a people have never been really rich. And.

4:04

It's like the only people who really want

4:06

because of the people he.have them. The people

4:08

that have them are like next. Month.

4:11

Get off of these back for could not

4:13

get one alligator cut when you because the

4:15

other if is a crocodile to the crocodile

4:17

stood. You know yet, you're getting

4:19

short legs and they would be such as some

4:22

keys. Well. Yeah exactly.

4:24

Not easy or tell you I reckon. I.

4:27

Would have had more trouble the me way

4:29

more top of the may be t Te

4:31

Llamas detailing. The. Oh Saracens. probably

4:33

place for the Usa. And

4:36

his bomb half was large. Large.

4:39

Louis Picamoles. Yeah, suppose I swallowed. People wear

4:41

shorts or the time them when know, Phasing.

4:44

Out with I mean, I went. I went.

4:46

Your skin? Yeah, yeah. Discomfort like

4:48

obey of us. I wear trousers

4:50

work all the time but like

4:53

all stand up. And.

4:55

Quite often utterly When I get home to

4:57

my trousers in the wash, they will be

4:59

like basically mud flood on mods, mods or

5:02

the inside of each cough. And that is

5:04

because when I sit down your trousers right

5:06

off A bit like when you can see

5:08

your socks, but my calves don't let them

5:10

down again. So when I stand up my

5:12

trousers are four to six inches above my

5:14

ankles every time. so easy to heal. If

5:16

you opposite shoot, just push him down there.

5:19

When you get home me that muddled of

5:21

your trousers. Meals. Victim.

5:24

Hamilton came to Wells Be Scotland in

5:26

my locker room and. He

5:28

had his trousers which were. There

5:31

like cotton. They. Went together constant.

5:34

And. When he sounded on a stool. The

5:37

bottom. of the trouser came up to like the bottom

5:39

of his calf muscles. Are

5:41

they were made to measure nos. That

5:46

they looked a bit short to me. He's.

5:49

He's doing some funny stuff with is

5:51

posing These days I'm a result of

5:53

my right thought. I. Really

5:55

like it. I'll have seen in were some

5:57

really say stuff like group in the world

5:59

compliment the up he was once somebody fruit

6:02

stuff but I did really like it. Sometimes

6:04

I feel a bit like. We.

6:06

Actually arrives. In

6:09

a uniform a little bit. And. As of

6:11

of the city of a day we all

6:13

we all it basically exactly the same as

6:15

a bit lights. And minded up for

6:17

then I tried to wear nice like camel

6:19

colored. As it in a

6:22

zip through jumper and you you introduce

6:24

me to stages Gingerbread Man So the

6:26

I would like to glass the new

6:28

that is the new. So. Six

6:30

Nations uniform Hours. Record

6:33

as if. Kashmir.

6:37

Top. Names doing this?

6:40

Yeah, Navy or great. We.

6:42

Other white tee shirt, white shirt, And

6:45

either white sneakers or

6:47

or him Williams boots.

6:50

Yeah. But the actual the

6:52

debt exit goes around every six nations which

6:55

is great of the bucket james with the

6:57

brown leather laces which is great. That

7:00

that's that's going a bit now. Battling.

7:03

A slow but now. I'm as a

7:06

token of on Saturday and. I

7:09

saw. Yeah, the old gag is that

7:11

it's the Barbour Jacket Brigade Anaconda Basic

7:14

kind of his rights. But

7:16

it it seemed less like that than ever

7:18

before, actually. Like.

7:22

It was a bit like being and this isn't

7:24

saying is that this is neither a negative or

7:26

positive. It was when I pull them. I like

7:28

this. I could be at Wembley not going to

7:31

a football match. So. There's. A

7:33

lot of like what he called casuals

7:35

as a lot of younger people dress

7:37

but that to don't love. Potion

7:40

not wearing quilted barbour jacket. they

7:42

are. It's kind of the. Trenchcoat

7:46

mafia type saying but I've almost looking small.

7:48

It was just kind of a slightly different

7:50

vibe and then. When.

7:53

I came when to some.

7:56

friends put back into the corporate thing a

7:58

half time they said to pay were

8:00

booing and the Kefirla people were

8:02

shouting very rude words at the players they were

8:04

coming off for not having played being playing as

8:06

well as they wanted them to whatever

8:09

I just felt like a

8:11

slightly different vibe but Twickers for

8:13

normal there you go

8:15

yeah well it's

8:18

not great there is it one thing

8:20

you can't do very well you

8:22

need you said you're going to before we

8:24

started recording you said you're going to check load of energy

8:26

into this it's

8:31

your signals bad mate you keep

8:33

coming out yeah oh bugger I've got

8:35

really good Wi-Fi as well you

8:38

always talk about this you just say that you don't

8:41

even know I've got a new Wi-Fi actually I've got

8:43

a new Wi-Fi what's the upload then what

8:47

do I do that I see you don't

8:49

even know how do

8:51

I do I'm doing it now you I'm doing

8:53

a you're busted speed test is it yeah whatever

8:55

you want all right this

8:57

is content for everyone I've got new I've

9:00

got new blooming thing all right

9:04

download 140 yeah 140 143 yeah 140 upload 26 oh that's good

9:07

that's really good

9:18

mate yeah take it back of yours then you've

9:22

got better Wi-Fi then the government

9:27

Wi-Fi then Barack Obama yeah

9:29

I have sorted out my tonight

9:33

so listen fella did you have a nice

9:35

weekend I know you were you're cooperating your

9:37

socks off on Saturday you

9:39

had a good you decided to take

9:41

a space at Twickenham and you filled

9:43

it in one one fell swoop And

9:48

poor old flat C boy didn't even get an

9:50

invite. so you need me said you had an

9:52

England captain there, didn't you? So you don't need

9:54

me mate I'm in the pecking order. You did

9:56

come along. Since

10:00

one of the tables. If.

10:02

Yeah one of those of it is a major before.

10:05

Before you tell us how it wasn't Saturday. It's

10:07

amazing. Like not amazing is not my thing

10:09

at all, but that happens a lot is

10:11

that. When it's some

10:13

people have a job a noun again they

10:15

will do a lunch or dinner. They'll pop

10:17

a on pop there and they'll be a

10:19

guest and that is fog. They put other

10:22

stuff going on but for a number of

10:24

us it kind of is. Our

10:26

job. Slash. One of

10:28

our actual jobs in that

10:30

we do a lot and

10:32

would probably class as professional

10:34

contacts. But. It's amazing.

10:37

It's amazing how of to was

10:39

interesting how often you get us

10:41

to attend an event by someone

10:43

who has employed you before. And.

10:46

Who employs you and says could you come

10:48

along and said a table So this weird

10:50

concept of a light these events but. Am

10:53

I gonna go to London on a train? At.

10:57

My own expense. see our table. Listen

10:59

to it at an event. would be

11:01

really good fun, but you have an

11:03

employee. Me, you've chosen someone else, which

11:05

is absolutely fine. Sit there all night,

11:07

has to stay probably in a hotel

11:09

potentially at my expense as well and

11:12

not get home till the next. That

11:14

is. Because. You've got

11:16

guests who paid extra to sit

11:18

with a player. However, a player

11:20

is. But. I'd I'd see any

11:22

thy to. It's a weird little concept, isn't it?

11:24

Like. That

11:27

it is or how it works. There.

11:31

Are. Going away trying to say. That. You

11:33

don't to rating for free. To.

11:35

This You know each other? No, no, the

11:37

point is to be really good fun. Isn't

11:39

that know? It's actually. It's

11:42

a bit law is inviting someone to work.

11:45

Is invite someone to work for free to the

11:48

Os is like gonna work was for someone it

11:50

does five a year to really to the bright

11:52

night out Yeah chart shows the. Pussy

11:54

On! it's like I quote week What like the

11:56

chance not to pursue on. The. Northern

11:59

hub. That it possible to

12:01

go to work for free to

12:03

omega Yoyo wealth. We were together

12:05

on Wednesday. With. Audience

12:08

smith when and ski some. Not

12:10

enough of that muscle chat we

12:13

had. A little bit looser as

12:15

the wind came in. I'm. Added

12:17

was good is that it was good. I join

12:19

is nice groove. And Twickenham. Observe

12:23

the ground so that was a cool

12:25

same Williams was of say bullion. I'll

12:27

be plenty of the year. two thousand

12:29

and eight record try was a cold

12:32

a world record try hold us away

12:34

assholes. Yeah a sister. That's not what

12:36

in a safe about being well champions

12:38

isn't it? Yeah Ah Joe Dos former

12:41

England captain Louis Moody. Who

12:43

told some put in stories about. A

12:46

Much johnson. A load

12:48

off on it wanna of is

12:50

so many. It seems

12:53

to be a sport. Michael's team sports that

12:55

braids, nice people but he's probably in the

12:57

today was insane. Eliza I see sites as

12:59

are not what with him. Last.

13:02

Weekend's with the you are see. Our

13:04

privacy moved us for a while and.

13:07

You. Actually, forget. What you have

13:09

a bloke is. Yeah, adjusts

13:11

to I. Bloody. Love

13:13

you might. Someone. Has Yaga after said

13:15

when his wife. Ah, but

13:17

it wasn't. Was. Nice we can

13:20

make. It was a nice weekend. What I'm a

13:22

rough but part of the result because it's a

13:24

game that wells probably could. what would get into

13:26

that a bat am on Sunday were little chat

13:28

were Louis research on scrum five and. In

13:31

a. Opposite the foil. On

13:34

these programs ah shucks of the.

13:36

So. In. A

13:38

gray. Davis. Maybe.

13:42

To rotate. The. Elite. Griffin

13:45

We. Am.

13:47

And I felt helmet on half through the trap.

13:50

Yeah. Yeah. But.

13:53

they were diorite it went down for yeah

13:55

it's one of those eighty got away as

13:57

my role i'll take it You've

14:00

got to weigh it up in the moment, haven't you?

14:02

And sometimes we make mistakes. Sometimes we don't quite read

14:04

it right, and that's fine. I felt

14:06

bad though, because right at the end, when

14:08

Lauren Jenkins, who presents it, was doing her

14:11

little outro,

14:13

or out, whatever we want to call it, she

14:17

was just sort of tapering off the show,

14:19

about to say goodbye. Thank you to Topsy

14:22

Ojo, Reese Priestlin, Tom Shanklin. I

14:24

just pulled the helmet

14:26

out from under the desk. The NFL helmet. I

14:29

said, go on, you wanted to put this on? Go on,

14:32

Lauren, go on, Lauren. Put it on, put it on. She

14:34

put it on. She acted in it. Yeah, yeah. I

14:36

typed her on. It's a bit like when- She did it to be fair. It's

14:39

a bit like when you and I were in Tbilisi in Georgia,

14:41

and they would BBC and they

14:44

put us on like a national chat show.

14:46

Said these guys are rugby guys from England.

14:48

And they're like, it was the most bizarre

14:50

little setup, and I told them

14:52

that you were really a good dancer. I

14:55

was like, you won't do it. Tack's a really

14:57

good dancer. Okay, let's go. And you literally stood

14:59

up. With that right, you actually did stand up

15:01

and dance. It was good. I had no

15:03

way to go. I was looking around for any exit.

15:08

I couldn't. Without

15:13

touching on the rugby, we'll have

15:15

a nice little break with a

15:17

couple of adverts. Well-placed adverts. How

15:20

was your week

15:22

or four or five days? Yeah,

15:25

it was good. I enjoyed

15:27

our lunch with Allianz. That was nice. And

15:30

then as I said to you and

15:32

your mate, Rog afterwards, there's always an option that these

15:34

things, we stayed on for a pint afterwards. It was

15:36

nice. There's always an option then to kick

15:39

on and make it a night out. Because I'm

15:41

staying overnight. And I said, no, it's six o'clock,

15:43

quarter past six, whatever it is. I'm

15:46

getting an Uber and I'm going back to my hotel and

15:49

I'm going to be there on my own. And then when I

15:51

get peckish, I'm going to walk over the road, skip

15:53

the room service, over the road to Anando's

15:55

in South Ken. I'm going to

15:57

eat Anando's on my own. Then I'm going to go back to bed.

16:00

and it was just like absolute heaven because I've got

16:02

40 kids. It

16:04

was heaven. Like I've just come now, started this

16:06

pod, come now from trying

16:08

to get our toddler to have her,

16:11

to maintain her naps during the day because she's only

16:13

two and a half and she wants to drop her

16:15

naps. And I've just done half an hour in bed

16:18

singing. I've got a collection of, I've got

16:20

a round of six, an album of six

16:22

nursery rhymes that I do. And

16:25

I've done... So you're grandchild. So you're grandchild.

16:28

Yes. Yeah. One of my grandkids. And

16:30

you're like, she... So I'm like, right, I've done

16:33

30 minutes trying to lie with her, which you're not meant to

16:35

do. You're meant to just leave her. But she

16:37

just, as soon as I got downstairs, I heard door

16:39

bang down in the stairs, boop, boop, boop. I

16:42

finished sleeping. Is that right? I saw that.

16:45

Yeah. I forgot to say the

16:47

highlight was Deliveroo and

16:49

Takeaway from my time. Adonando's

16:52

as well. And then all day after I

16:54

went up to Huntingdon Races.

16:57

Oh, yeah. With some friends. And

16:59

among others, Jordy Murphy was there. Tom Croft

17:01

was there. Hugo

17:03

Southwell was there, who haven't seen for ages. Such

17:06

a nice bloke. I went up

17:08

there with, you know, for a few people that

17:10

you know, but I had a really good day up there. Stayed

17:12

over, got an early train down. And then I was... I've

17:16

been going to a

17:18

lunch for Guildford Rugby Club for four or five

17:20

years now. I

17:23

think it started pre-COVID and then carried on, I

17:25

think. But, yeah,

17:28

I've got to know those guys really well. So it's quite nice to

17:30

pitch up there every year now. And it's

17:33

low-key, but really, really nice. And they give

17:35

money to charity and that sort of stuff.

17:37

So I ended up a little

17:39

bit, not worse for wear, but probably had three more

17:41

than I said I would. But, yeah,

17:43

then Twickenham Saturday, which was great in the

17:45

green room with all the lads and ladies

17:47

in there. That was pretty raucous. Great fun.

17:49

And then the red eye over to Dublin.

17:53

Dublin and back. Dublin and back on Sunday. Raucous. That's

17:56

a Twickenham thing to say. It's raucous. Is it?

17:59

Yeah. Yeah. It

18:01

might be I. Am a

18:03

solution that cheapest? Yeah! It's

18:05

so good it's it's really really good fun but

18:07

this site is so many of us attorney was

18:09

at most the day with still Vicary. His.

18:13

Physique is quite something. Back

18:15

Bay can be read. It caught a

18:18

dozen the any bread make. It

18:21

is quite something. He

18:23

has completely changed his physique.

18:27

Moon. Sixty percent of me

18:29

plate and forty percent me please for. Sixty

18:32

present. Resemble.

18:36

The. I've done it. Because. While.

18:40

He looks credible. Yeah. Now.

18:44

Is he happy? The. Item. I'm

18:46

Tom Cari was going without us injured.

18:49

Over he was him with us. A

18:51

very not very nice man. It's funny, like it's

18:53

I was. Think about this. You.

18:57

Know, like when you of beauty, commentary and punditry.

18:59

it's one of those. Jobs. Are people

19:01

say yeah, we'll hallam Think it will laugh

19:03

as it's temporary isn't there and that will

19:05

hang on a minute. The paper you're listening

19:07

to have been doing it for twenty or

19:09

thirty years. Nick, Malinga, Stewart Barnes The Sky

19:11

for twenty five years. Like that's two and

19:13

a half rugby, Korea's Miles how it's and

19:15

is still going like week to week and

19:18

is still among the best sports commentators on

19:20

the planet. Like so. It's

19:22

one of the but. I. Think now it

19:24

whereas east to be so of in there. In

19:27

the source to at Barnes on Sky

19:29

Sports era. It. Would be

19:31

you do rugby club on whether not

19:33

Tuesday night. Until that ended you commentary

19:35

on a game and he wrote a

19:37

column but now weekend we are kind

19:39

of intermingling base where in subway wife

19:41

he done with the players ready. There

19:44

are so many speeches and so many

19:46

points which we cross paths. School

19:50

Pride, that corporate and a shill event and

19:52

this and this charity thing and and this

19:54

feat feature ahead of the weekends. You end

19:56

up just. I actually

19:59

think he can. It easier to stay.

20:02

It's states stay in touch when you're

20:04

literally in touch with them, but also

20:06

you go at. It's

20:08

probably harder now to be objective

20:10

during games because you actually do

20:13

have. Of a

20:15

you know, diluted version of a relationship with

20:17

some of the players. Are you gonna breed

20:19

of web sites? Mirza Frequency Monotone. Know you

20:21

gotta wear big itself that you can a

20:24

business would he do it and you don't

20:26

bother? And but it's that simple And whereas

20:28

before I mean. I

20:31

honestly think they would have been even though he's

20:33

a legend in my I, certainly there would have

20:35

been like to play as it thought when I

20:37

was there and Stewart Bonds will cross the field

20:39

to com a town a game and most them

20:41

would know who he was. Because.

20:43

I never saw it, I just heard him and

20:45

read i never saw the got yeah. So.

20:49

Does completely different these days I think I'm

20:51

think the harnessing the moment for what I

20:53

do. And. Wales is.

20:57

Like a year or two ago.

21:00

You. Could. Probably. Get into the team

21:02

if they went before me because they're from the superstars

21:04

and was a settle team and. But.

21:06

Now. That so many

21:09

youngsters coming through. Like. What what

21:11

he meant to say is conscious how many youngsters

21:13

you conscious hammer the team because they're not performing

21:15

because of hardly played together But those a new

21:17

cap see lots. Youngsters, you

21:19

got your players that. A

21:23

still in a gap? Maybe until.

21:26

Better. Place come along or as come

21:28

back from injury sucks. Are

21:30

taught hammer them at the moment. Be. Can

21:32

you can? Maybe forever. But.

21:35

In terms of skill level, I. Was.

21:37

Way off. The I

21:39

would play like. Island

21:41

of France and they don't have the size or

21:44

power so it is a little bit disquieting of

21:46

I have to be realistic about well well for

21:48

be as a moment. So.

21:52

I think I'm probably less critical. now

21:55

than a was three years ago discuss the

21:57

stadiums while we got the moment pleasure time

21:59

and You know you yeah a

22:02

new a new circle of players coming in a

22:04

new rotation so But England

22:06

mate you got no excuses for ten teams you got all

22:08

the money in the world Should

22:11

be winning every single game. Oh Yeah,

22:14

I'm getting into him when every single games

22:16

pushing it, but I think like

22:19

it's It was

22:21

what was interesting before the weekend like but at

22:24

the was it the World Cup? No before the World

22:26

Cup it was six nations before the World Cup. I

22:28

think France said ahead

22:30

of the World Cup We are changing our

22:32

match today experience We spoke about this on

22:34

the pod and they did a few

22:37

little bits that they've maintained their changes sort of music they

22:39

play They've got more

22:41

fan interaction, and it all sounded a bit

22:43

cheesy except It's amazing and it worked it

22:45

was absolutely brilliant from the word go at

22:47

the start the France and all the rest

22:49

of France the actual experience in the

22:51

games and Then Jamie

22:53

George when he was made captain who

22:56

for me is He's the

22:59

obvious choice him or Genge, but then what I

23:01

would say is Genge and

23:03

Joe Mahler are verging on interchangeable.

23:05

They're both high class Whereas Jamie George

23:07

would be out there on his own a bit with

23:09

Karen Dickey injured injured a bit lately, so And

23:13

he plays a lot of minutes, and if you

23:15

for example make Genge captain. He's probably not going

23:17

to play 78

23:19

minutes in every game because there's Mahler there as well, so

23:22

anyway He said

23:24

he wants to get twicken and rumbling and of course it takes

23:26

more than a couple of weeks But it it

23:28

didn't quite work at the weekend and

23:30

what it it's a bit

23:33

to me he like I've

23:36

always thought halftime entertainment was a Ridiculous

23:39

notion I could be completely wrong here, and I'm sure

23:41

I've been proven wrong a million times, but Rugby

23:44

certainly maybe not a test level, but certainly

23:47

at premiership level you want to get people

23:49

out of their seats spending money at halftime

23:52

So what you do is you spend loads of time and effort and

23:54

money on on Pit on

23:56

field entertainment at halftime which literally pins

23:58

people to their seats put some

24:00

music on and leave it. Let people pop their

24:02

heads and have a chat or whatever, but leave them free

24:04

to go and buy a pint. Anyway,

24:07

I've never quite made sense of that in my own

24:09

mind, but at Twickenham, it

24:11

just seems, it seemed

24:13

a bit disjointed. I thought the longer walk-in was

24:15

great and all that, but actually, what

24:18

I thought when Jamie George said all those things,

24:20

we wanna get Twickenham behind us and make you

24:22

love us, you know, kind of thing. It's

24:25

so much to do with the way you play. If

24:29

you play with attacking Endeavor, if you really

24:31

go for it, the crowd will, you're

24:34

so much more likely to have the crowd engage

24:36

you and love you. Win or lose.

24:38

I said this on Sunday, I said, you

24:42

know, where I was, I got Ireland in

24:44

two weeks time or just under two weeks time,

24:46

and I'm not expecting a win, but I just

24:49

wanna see something, a product on the field that

24:52

I can relate to, that I can get behind, I

24:54

can get excited by and just think, you

24:57

know what, they gave it a go, I wanna watch

24:59

it again, and I wanna watch them again. That's it,

25:01

I just, that's what I

25:03

wanna see. Like, regardless of win or lose, and I

25:05

just wanna see something that

25:07

the fans, the public, everyone

25:10

can get behind and think, right, they

25:12

ran Ireland, they gave them a go, they

25:15

weren't too predictable, they tried something

25:17

different, and I

25:21

got excited by it, and I wanna watch it again. Like, when

25:24

we covered Cardiff Bar, yeah,

25:26

Bar's one. Yeah, like that, like

25:28

Cardiff lost, but you

25:30

left that game thinking, I can't

25:32

wait to watch them again, just because it was

25:35

exciting. So that's what I wanna see. Shall

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26:36

back. We're back Tommy. Let's

26:40

talk about it. Let's really talk about it. I didn't

26:42

see. First game up. I've only seen

26:44

the highlights of it so far because I've been in transit

26:46

and I was at Twickenham doing stuff when the game was

26:49

on but Scotland France. I've

26:51

seen the last bit at Diem at the trial

26:53

that wasn't allowed. Before we go there. Before we

26:55

go there.

26:58

I really enjoyed that game. I

27:01

think Scotland had better chances and

27:03

towards the end of that first half should

27:06

have come away with more points. Ultimately I

27:08

think that's where they

27:11

lost the game. Gail Ficke

27:13

was amazing. He had

27:16

a bit of a kick up

27:18

the backside from last week and

27:20

he was just excellent. There's a

27:22

really good bit by Birch.

27:25

Now who's called Birch online?

27:30

Come on. Whose

27:32

nickname is Birch? Well

27:34

whose nickname is Birch? Well

27:37

I don't know.

27:42

That's what I was asking you. Sean Byrne.

27:46

Paul Deadhoek of Ryland. Birch Dragons.

27:49

Oh! Bernard Jackman. There

27:53

was a really good segment

27:55

by Bernard Jackman in Ireland about Scotland's

27:58

defence and yeah. I saw

28:00

that really good. Yeah, it was good wasn't it? And

28:03

he's right. No one ever defends there with

28:05

the nine. The nine is more of a, so

28:07

Scotland were defending with one person on the blind side and

28:11

France had two. So, Scrummoth,

28:13

Ben Wyatt, his job was to try and get

28:15

round and defend basically two

28:17

defenders versus three attackers. You

28:20

had to put another defender around there. Then the nine

28:22

is in the boot and he filters in. So, he

28:24

ends up coming inside the inside defender

28:26

and pushing them all out. And

28:29

that's where France ended up chipping

28:31

at the top and scoring. But

28:34

some of the Scottish play was amazing. The

28:39

try by Ben Wyatt

28:41

was brilliant. The

28:44

play there, the attack

28:46

shape was amazing. The hands from

28:49

Hugh Jones were just so

28:51

underrated. That's just, people

28:53

have missed that part because the try had everything

28:55

in it. And that little

28:57

catch and give for Ben Wyatt was

29:00

incredible, I thought, from Hugh

29:02

Jones. And

29:05

France came back into it and I

29:08

thought, I honestly thought that Scotland were going to win. I

29:11

thought this is it. But now let's

29:13

get to what you're going to say. Let's

29:15

try, wouldn't it? Now,

29:21

what I can't really

29:23

understand is Nick Berry is in an

29:25

incredible position to see that. And

29:28

you can see by the reactions of Scotland players,

29:31

they think the ball is on the line or over the line,

29:33

on the floor. And it is. But

29:35

he is a little bit uncertain. He's probably

29:37

hoping deep down there the TMI has

29:39

a clear view of it and he

29:42

can award it. If

29:44

he had said, it's

29:46

a try, can you

29:49

check the ground, is there any reason why I can't award it? Then

29:52

it would have been a try. But because he said no try held

29:54

up, TMI then had

29:56

to have a proof of

29:58

evidence. Yeah. There is a

30:00

shot where you can see it and I just

30:02

think four referees on that field Didn't

30:05

we all know it was a try they've got to get that right?

30:09

They've got it. I did this whole thing about Someone's

30:13

got a clever reason for it Let me know

30:15

but this whole reason that that basically

30:17

Scotland losing that match because of the

30:19

question Nick Berry asked his TMO Right

30:23

my the on-field decision is no try.

30:25

Can you disprove it basically clear and

30:27

obvious fashion? I Think

30:30

well, why why are we then stuck

30:32

to that? Why can't someone say to

30:34

him? Yeah, you imagine watching it in

30:36

Aussie rugby league. For example, you'd

30:38

say mate you got to give that Whatever

30:41

that you feel like someone to say mate You've got to give

30:43

that and you feel like

30:45

if Barnsey or Nigel Owens with Tmo

30:48

they'd say listen because of the question you've asked I'd

30:50

have to say no, but I do think it's a

30:52

try So what do you want to do my recommend

30:54

you feel like those senior guys would have the authority

30:57

and the confidence to say that But

30:59

we're stuck to this. Well, that's the question

31:01

he asked so we all know it's

31:03

a try But I'm afraid we can't

31:05

prove it So you kind of like oh come

31:07

on man and in a game of infinite nuance

31:09

and body angles and all that sort

31:11

of stuff But

31:14

this is this is the this

31:17

is the sort of what would you call it the

31:19

constant sort of Contradiction

31:22

around tech it's like well we brought the tech

31:24

in to make sure all of

31:27

these decisions are right But this tech is

31:29

still organized and operated by human beings who

31:32

will be flawed. So this is kind of Careful

31:35

what you wish for territory really?

31:37

Yeah, and the TMO initially said it was a try

31:39

You can see grounded and then he start

31:41

to backtrack and then I think

31:44

they just got themselves into a hell of a

31:46

pickle and Yeah,

31:48

couldn't find a way out. So It

31:51

wasn't overly clear, you know in

31:54

just trying to back him up a little bit, you know

31:56

wasn't right. Oh, this is super

31:59

duper clear But there is an

32:01

angle where the ball does come off the boot

32:03

and it does seem down on the ground. And it

32:05

sinks, yes. And I think everyone on

32:07

that field who was around there knows it was a try.

32:10

But the point kind of oddly

32:13

isn't that the TMO and the officiating

32:15

team were wrong. That kind of oddly

32:17

isn't, I don't think that's actually

32:19

the point. I think the point is that the

32:22

question he asked to the

32:25

TMO meant that they

32:27

couldn't award the try, even though I reckon they could

32:29

see it was a try because of the question he

32:31

asked. How do you ask a different question? So

32:33

it's not actually about the tech.

32:36

It's not actually about the scoring of

32:38

the try. The fairness of

32:40

it. It's actually about the human being

32:42

choosing a small question or another. Yes, human

32:44

error. Human error. No, because

32:46

he can still override it. He

32:48

can still say there's a big squeeze and they're all looking

32:50

at it. No, not even questioning it. It's down to him. The

32:54

TMO doesn't have full say on the game.

32:57

The ref does. So an error there.

33:00

And if I was Scotland and Gregor

33:03

Towns, that I would be very

33:06

annoyed at that because they would have been

33:08

two from two. And

33:10

now it's got to be next year, Scotland's year.

33:12

Yeah. And they would

33:14

be as much as we want to dress it

33:17

up. They were robbed, basically, in that game. Yeah.

33:22

Yeah. I was in England. England,

33:24

England. What

33:27

did you make of it? We're both in rooms watching

33:29

it on TV. Aren't we? Yeah. So

33:32

we're sort of I was in the stadium watching it. But

33:34

I made of it that I thought England's line speed was

33:37

brilliant in the first half. And a lot

33:39

of that goes down, I think, to Henry

33:41

Slade at 13, just cutting off

33:43

passes. What they do at Exeter,

33:45

they just shoot up the line so fast. If

33:48

you get quick ball against that, you're knackered. And

33:51

you've got to be really fit because it's literally

33:53

sprinting. And you can watch

33:55

any set piece that Wales had, especially Lionel. England's

33:59

line speed. be far quicker than

34:01

Wales. So, Wales just getting knocked back

34:04

over the game line. And

34:06

Wales aren't a team really that a

34:09

great at creating sort

34:11

of second, third, fourth phase tries. They

34:13

rely heavily on first

34:16

phase game line. Put

34:18

teams under pressure because they're just they're not

34:20

a team like Ireland

34:22

or Scotland like a once-in-a-generation team

34:24

those two I just mentioned because they're

34:26

not really great at creating stuff off

34:28

phase place. They just rely on quick

34:30

ball off first

34:32

phase and when you don't get it they just get knocked

34:35

back and they get forced to kick. But

34:37

the try Alex Mann scored

34:40

I thought that's what

34:42

I want to see more of. But Wales aren't

34:44

in that situation yet where they can create tries

34:46

like that constantly. That was really

34:49

well worked and they got wide and

34:51

they got themselves a nice little pod

34:53

to put it back inside. Got

34:55

hands-free. Tommy O'Powell was bloody

34:57

excellent mate. World class is what I would

35:01

say to him like should be

35:03

in the international scene. Yeah I think those

35:05

last two performances like that gotta

35:07

be. I thought

35:10

Elliot D was good at hookler and

35:13

then we struggled. Wales did in the

35:15

second half especially scrum time. You've got

35:17

young inexperienced props coming on. I actually

35:21

thought about the scrums I thought. Yeah

35:23

go on because I gave you a

35:25

call after. Yeah Archie

35:27

Griffin young guy from Bath. He's barely

35:29

played to Bath. He only played a couple of games for

35:31

Bath. He's then

35:33

playing tight head for Wales against England at

35:36

Twicrest. I know. He's huge. He's hardly played

35:38

any men's rugby and he's playing in that

35:40

game. I mean and I

35:43

actually a couple of penalties given

35:45

away short. I don't think he

35:47

got he didn't

35:49

get out scrumage because the scrums never really

35:51

completed. You know he's

35:53

got again coming up back from injury

35:55

pumped up off the bench. He's

35:58

gonna have it tough anyway so if he doesn't get

36:00

the scrum right, he's going to have it tough and I think he

36:03

knew that and he was just losing his balance,

36:06

desperate to get in early, there'll be a bit

36:08

of second row weight in there, bit of pre-weight

36:10

in there, just nudging him forwards, but

36:13

mind you, it wasn't happening

36:15

consistently before that with the same second

36:18

row, so it's probably the new front

36:20

rower coming on, and he's just over

36:22

balancing and he's super keen. You could

36:25

say he's super keen to get stuck in, but actually

36:27

he's super keen not to get caught in a bad

36:29

position, not to get caught before he's got into his

36:31

shape and folded back by

36:34

Genji, basically that's what it is, so it's

36:36

a version of fear is the wrong word,

36:39

but it's kind of sporting fear, apprehension

36:42

and desperate, it's a false start in a sprint

36:44

is what it is, it's a false start because

36:46

you're worried the guys around you are quicker than

36:48

you and you just want to

36:50

get out ahead and you get caught a couple of

36:52

times, I think it was probably nerves and balance. What

36:55

I would say as well is after that driving

36:57

line I'll try when England were down

36:59

to 13 men, I just

37:02

don't understand what Wells are trying to do, well

37:05

I know what they're trying to do, they're trying to run the

37:07

ball out of their own line against 13 men, but you

37:10

don't need to panic in that situation,

37:12

you kick it, keep the ball in

37:15

field, but they

37:17

end up losing shape completely, a toji

37:19

whacks Yoan Lloyd who's running back on

37:21

himself because it's just chaos, because

37:25

I think Wells are panicking thinking right, we've got too

37:27

many advantage now, we have to run it, we have

37:29

to, you don't, just don't

37:31

kick the ball out, don't slow the game

37:33

down, but exit properly with a good case

37:36

and Ben Earl, that was

37:39

a huge amount of power for his try, slips off Alex

37:41

Mann, but if you watch on

37:43

the high angle, watch Cam win it, he's

37:46

hanging behind the scrum and his

37:48

job there is just to plug in the hole whichever

37:50

way is picked up and

37:53

he gets slightly knocked by the ref and

37:56

isn't able to make the tackle, even though it's

37:58

a brilliant carry, just make just think

38:00

maybe if the ref wasn't there

38:03

he might be able to affect it but what

38:06

was I mean it was a huge carry

38:08

was absolutely huge and then rock solid scrum

38:10

group yeah we off the back well it

38:13

was really well worked try for Elliot Daly

38:15

as well yeah you could

38:17

say maybe it's slightly forward but you've

38:19

seen them given for many many teams

38:23

and you know they're obviously they're

38:25

what the moment of the game would have been

38:27

that Mason Grady yellow card knock-on yes which

38:31

one of you might become when it comes from a 50-22 from

38:33

George Ford which was

38:35

where they got their possession from that can't

38:38

bloody lovely what can win it another

38:40

great performance I thought from him youngster

38:43

to come into it second

38:46

cap look good really

38:48

like him you know looking

38:51

like he does a simple stuff well which is

38:53

obviously sweeping up behind good

38:55

kicking game but even

38:58

like just draw

39:00

a pass and things like

39:02

that you know when Wales broke England

39:05

and he drew in Freddie Stewart

39:07

who's just slick hands I tell you Joe remember

39:09

that break Josh Adams did down the right-hand side a

39:12

couple of things yes we're good about that one it

39:14

was a good set piece from Wales the

39:16

second was it was good attack and it

39:18

was really good defense because how

39:21

many times you see like someone like win it

39:24

with a 2-1 hit Josh Adams in the

39:26

fullback just leaves that

39:28

player then yeah Stuart nails him

39:30

which means he's out the game because he didn't nail

39:32

him when it would have taken that ball on the

39:34

inside and probably scored but

39:36

for any full backs watching that

39:39

on a 2v1 just nearly a man means they're out

39:42

the game yeah pick him and I don't get can't

39:44

get a second touch but the word from

39:49

from George Ford there was

39:54

sued yeah

39:57

Tell you I Like Chanda cunning himself? Yes yeah.

40:00

Yeah, he. Is angry Man. He's

40:02

angry place. So angry sub to develop

40:04

so much power. Big fan. they gonna

40:06

be easier to play La rep be

40:08

fragmented. Big. Fat and I'm out

40:11

in Dublin. Tommy says not a

40:13

huge amount to say about this

40:15

game. It was a wipe out.

40:17

Ready to to be more points

40:19

Italy I can't remember them. realistic

40:21

looking, not scoring? Am. Their.

40:24

One or two bits that want to

40:27

see bits. they did quite nicely, but

40:29

their midfield men and shallow breaths word

40:31

anonymous gabi see didn't feature really a

40:34

cup, a little bits where he sweets

40:36

so sweet. found the blind and create

40:38

some numbers Actually movies quite nicely in

40:41

those situations is handling excellent but really.

40:43

Very. Little Threat Kappa what size, hard to

40:46

get hold of but it was really it

40:48

was a bit ad libbed from him. It's

40:50

not like he was part of any great

40:52

attacking pattern or shaped the what use are

40:54

utilizing him to his best and probably not

40:57

have the time but it felt like half

40:59

the time they had a subset baseball that

41:01

dropped it. I mean it's a simpler that

41:03

sound like it's. A. Satellite get that

41:05

little that rugby and I was not component.

41:08

but if they just kind of dropped it

41:10

off, you know it's a good number of

41:12

first phase efforts like just but the ball

41:14

on the deck so undermined. Any

41:17

attacking efforts, Any attacking plans they had really.

41:19

Armoured. Truck from out there.

41:21

I think it is a better with Tommy

41:23

on and fifteen. This.

41:26

Have to find a place and fab. Support

41:28

so because. Monte. You on? He

41:30

probably us to play. Arnie. Is.

41:33

A really good wingers. Well, Ah,

41:36

But. I do think. as

41:39

a lot more settled with. Tom.

41:41

Allen that the Barbier couple of So

41:43

has to play or think I'm yes.

41:46

But. You've got month. See you on he he. Isn't

41:49

that the think I'm wrong and Sang isn't

41:51

the Willows quickest wig by the last power.

41:53

they're not number of involvements and actually he's

41:55

a handful was a proper handful. I.

41:57

Think that's what I usually that. Yeah, Yep.

42:00

last week against England didn't they? Right

42:02

at the end, nice solo try try. But

42:04

what, but Ireland, I agree like they were

42:06

never in danger losing that, looked comfortable all

42:08

the way through. The most impressive thing I

42:10

can say about Ireland was the amount

42:13

of changes they made and they

42:15

still look like a really well-drilled,

42:17

oiled machine. You know, they didn't go

42:19

away from anything that they normally do. They

42:22

probably went as clinical as they'd like to be

42:24

but we think of all

42:26

the changes they had in. Really

42:28

impressive. Again, Jack Crowley looked ace.

42:33

It is lovely bits. It's interesting. The

42:35

cross-good 12 was good as well mate,

42:37

like not just the line but it's

42:39

a passing game as well. Robbie Henshaw

42:42

thought it was a really really good game,

42:44

both sides of the ball. But

42:47

Crawley you think, well it

42:49

depends what sort of character you are going to do.

42:51

So, Crowley sorry. It's

42:54

Frawley I'm thinking of isn't it? Crowley,

42:57

you think to yourself, will he beat himself up

42:59

about the conversions he missed that

43:01

he perhaps should have got? And I think

43:03

he probably won't because he plays like a

43:05

confident man. He's doing some lovely stuff, some

43:09

lovely linking and attack, no look passes. Yeah,

43:11

I thought he looked great. Hey,

43:14

what about, I thought

43:16

he looked great. You know again, my

43:18

point still stands that they made last week. What was

43:21

Johnny Sexton like after 11 or 12 caps? He

43:24

wasn't the finished article was he? So I think he's going great. What

43:26

about Mano match performance by the

43:29

young eight-year-old, St. Islands call? I

43:35

think that's one of the best things I've

43:38

seen and heard before a game. And I've

43:41

had the pleasure of watching Catherine Jenkins and Charlotte Church

43:44

in front of me. I don't remember it

43:46

that well. They both had

43:48

Christian Leboutin shoes on jeans

43:50

and their rugby jerseys

43:52

were sort of tucked underneath and out through

43:54

the top. I'm sure a bit of mid-rift.

43:56

But you don't remember it? Charlotte was on the left,

43:59

Catherine was on the right. Yeah. That was.

44:01

That. Was something else. Do. You amazing

44:04

was neat. The brilliant. Absolutely

44:06

brilliant. Love that so get absolutely brilliant. He

44:08

was great and I did not expect so

44:10

it's gonna be keep and lovely. Are they

44:12

gonna expect that voice to come out? That

44:15

little boy know now. If.

44:17

You haven't seen it. Go watch his. Best.

44:19

Bet to benefit the island super dominant

44:21

and their own the Grand Slam. Signal.

44:25

Got big job I'm against than outside our by

44:27

think if anything to do it makes. A

44:29

good at Twickenham get stop Every all birds can

44:31

be suitably it they'll be underdogs which isn't that

44:33

common. It's weekend but they have lost a lot

44:35

games and took them in the last year. That

44:37

oh yes. Are good few but.

44:40

Theresa. Us some to. The

44:42

as his often. I'm way this. We

44:44

can voice what you know. it's. A

44:46

weekend off his rocker this weekend. Russia? Yeah

44:48

cause there isn't there is for me. Where.

44:52

I'm at. Papa Scarlets on

44:55

Friday the plane months the and

44:57

I should across to Glasgow. Cover.

45:00

The two games that Cardiff cannot do a

45:02

hub from Glasgow and and Glasgow Dragon so

45:04

our the might. Be I

45:06

put a cynthia yeah but none of

45:08

the stars we plan so it's good

45:10

chance to have look as a metallic

45:13

coming through. really yeah so of see

45:15

a while with staunchly joining this weekend

45:17

with hours a night I have a

45:19

nice weekend or our them Monsanto in

45:21

am slightly training so it's. It's.

45:24

Demise can be Science is giving us a

45:27

fine, but I'll be a bike a member

45:29

next part of the tax on doing the

45:31

first three nights that he's got industry. As

45:34

realize my just the average. Yeah,

45:36

has been fine.com Endeavor for a few

45:38

days now and it's drizzling a little

45:40

bit, but. Tomorrow. Morning

45:42

I'm Toby Danny Grewcock car to the

45:44

gary to score fault and then am.

45:48

Because. It's Valentine's Day done and I gonna hang

45:50

out and have a barbecue in a couple aside

45:52

as in the afternoon said controller seen it can

45:54

be counted man of the my family began. Stay.

45:57

The night of but a fool to swim in. this

46:00

Don't rob you. No one's allowed to rob your house today while you're

46:02

away. Told him about that. Oh

46:05

yeah. Where are you and Devon?

46:08

No. No. Yeah.

46:12

Who's at my house? There is someone

46:14

there. Giant from gladiators.

46:23

Right, shall we go? Yes,

46:25

boy, boy. Lot of rugby chat,

46:27

low energy today, but that's what people want from us

46:29

sometimes. That's what they want from us, because we're real,

46:31

mate. We don't pretend we're happy when we're not. Not

46:33

like those other really successful pods with good blokes that

46:35

do it. You can't have everything,

46:38

all right? You can't be really upbeat and great

46:41

rugby insight. It's one or the other with us,

46:43

all right? So you choose. Yeah,

46:46

I've got to, before I go downstairs now, pretend I'm

46:48

still doing the pod, but I'm actually going to do

46:50

some research into parts for old Land Rovers. Okay. Mate,

46:53

I've got to hit the chin. My

46:55

diet. I had Nando's last week.

46:57

I had Gourmet Burger with a milkshake. Madagascar.

46:59

And the Nando's, though, isn't it? Not

47:03

really. It's not great, mate. There's quite a lot of fat in

47:05

it. And then, on the way back from

47:07

Twickenham, I forgot. My

47:10

mind was occupied, and I forgot to stop off at KFC. Then

47:12

I didn't want to, through Bracknell, then

47:14

I didn't want to go into McDonald's in

47:17

one of the services, because I knew there'd be loads of fans there.

47:19

Yeah. Yeah. I

47:22

basically ate my weight in crisps.

47:26

Sausage rolls, and a star

47:28

bar from Redding. Petrol

47:32

pump services. Yeah.

47:34

I know the Domino's yesterday. Well,

47:40

look, Martin Bayfield told me that once he had McDonald's for

47:42

all three meals in a day, because he's on the road,

47:45

breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So he's still alive,

47:47

mate. Yeah. Yeah. And he's really successful.

47:50

So he'll be fine. Just quite fat. Yeah.

47:54

Cuddly. All right. Work on it. Thanks for it. Cheers,

47:56

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