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1:28

everybody. Welcome to this really upbeat episode of

1:31

Flats and Shanks. It's going to be upbeat,

1:33

mate, because we've had a couple of downers.

1:36

We've had a couple of days. I

1:40

had a word with myself when I text Jim a minute ago.

1:42

We can start in a minute if you want. I'm a bit

1:44

early and you said, give me 10 minutes. I

1:47

had a word with myself and said, don't

1:49

be so downbeat and grumpy on this pod,

1:51

because you're

1:54

going to start giving the wrong impression of yourself

1:56

slash showing who you really are. person

2:00

tweeted me to say, I can't remember who it was

2:02

and I don't know if I'll be able to find

2:04

it in time while I'm talking now but he said,

2:08

listening to you makes his own life feel better.

2:12

So in a way you're motivating people.

2:15

I was just thinking that with Mark

2:17

Regan. If you had a little chat with Mark

2:19

Regan, he might annoy you

2:21

a little bit but you'd step away from that chat and think

2:23

naturally, I'm doing

2:25

okay. My life's okay. I

2:30

haven't seen Ron for a long

2:32

time but I've got a baby on my lap at the

2:34

moment. Little baby Gigi is on my lap. I don't know

2:37

why my wife

2:39

has disappeared. I don't know where

2:41

she's gone but I know that Hetty

2:44

the toddler, this is an upbeat

2:46

pod so I'm going to give you the upbeat version. I

2:51

tried to book this thing called the Midnight Mole

2:53

in Bath at the little theatre. This little performance

2:55

for kids. So parents and kids.

2:59

You've got any moles anywhere on your body? Can't say. Can't

3:02

say. Absolutely can't say. But I

3:07

tried to book it, sold out. The

3:10

friend who mentioned it to me, I said, it's

3:12

sold out but a nice idea and she said, well let

3:14

me try and pull a few strings. She

3:17

bent over backwards, pulled a few strings, got me

3:19

in at half nine this morning. So

3:22

I set off and basically I'm

3:24

going to try and give you the short version. Pissing

3:27

rain, that's not a swear word is it? Pissing

3:29

rain, walking into town. If

3:32

you walk with a toddler, it's a

3:34

10 minute walk. It will take 30 minutes. You'll carry

3:36

them. It'll be awful. So strap them into the push

3:39

chair that she hates. There are two push chairs. This

3:42

is the one she hates. It's the crap one. Put

3:44

her in that one because the other one's set up for the

3:46

baby. So we get

3:49

down there and we are soaked. The waterproof

3:51

cover is budget. We are soaked. We

3:53

get there. Upbeat. Yeah, yeah, it was great.

3:55

The good bit was we were soaked and

3:58

we're lucky to be out in a about. We

4:01

were soaked and we both love rain. We

4:04

got there and paid our money and

4:07

walked up eight

4:09

flights of steps,

4:12

which was great because it's good for

4:14

the quads and glutes. We got up to

4:16

the attic of this theatre and it was

4:19

all set up and brilliant. It started

4:21

and it was really cool and you sit

4:23

on the floor and there are loads of

4:25

kids in there with their parents and all

4:27

of them were, so at

4:29

this point you can imagine, buggy

4:31

steps, rain, rush, bit late. I'm

4:36

sweating like a pig at this point so I'm like

4:38

right, just sit down and calm down, everything's fine. Here

4:41

we go, she's loving it. And if there were

4:44

30 kids in there, 29 of them behaved really

4:46

well and sat reasonably still and called

4:48

out a bit and one of them is

4:50

a hyperactive force of nature so I had to

4:52

take her outside after about 10 minutes, gave

4:55

her a little calm down, took her back in,

4:57

lasted about two more minutes, gone. Walked

4:59

home in the rain so I know it's been

5:02

good actually. It's been good. I just

5:04

heard a bang up there. You need to rule with the iron claw, bring

5:06

in some punishment.

5:10

Yeah, I know, but she's

5:13

two. I don't know what you're meant to do. Like

5:15

it's... Whip the soles to their feet. She's

5:18

a legend but she is a handful, like

5:20

a proper handful and she's

5:23

all action, like she loves it and

5:25

she will... If you suggest an activity

5:28

that involves her smashing around and running around and

5:30

screaming like most kids she is in, if

5:33

you say right, let's sit and chill.

5:35

Make not happen. Give me two seconds, just a bit of

5:38

real life for you. You say, Freya, the

5:41

door's open and there's a baby on my knee and I'm

5:43

doing a podcast. Yep,

5:45

started, yeah. Who's Freya,

5:47

mate? Is she one of your staff? Yes,

5:50

yeah. I've got vision for fair.

5:52

I'm looking at

5:56

flats via Zoom and I've got visions of someone

5:58

crawling in and talking. taking the baby like the

6:01

news reader. Remember that? No,

6:04

you wouldn't know. It wasn't a news on the news.

6:07

You wouldn't know there's a baby on my

6:09

lap. She's a little legend. This one, hopefully

6:11

little Gigi is chilled. Um, I mean, I've

6:13

got two hyper ones. Yup.

6:16

Yeah. I've got two hyper ones and two chilled ones.

6:18

I think, um, and

6:22

it's all about managing the

6:24

more challenging ones is that's, you know, didn't we all

6:26

start with it? For those listening now,

6:29

it does look like Dr. Evil and mini me.

6:33

But, but,

6:35

um, I come home and told

6:37

my wife what happened. She, Oh my God, what are

6:39

you doing home so early? I'm afraid I had to

6:41

get her out. And,

6:44

um, she's

6:46

now convinced herself that she's, you

6:48

know, there's something wrong with her. Look, I mean, I

6:50

think she's all right. She's just, I was afraid, she's

6:52

come to take Gigi away now. And you know, the

6:55

plus side is you wouldn't have to see it till

6:57

tomorrow. Morning. So yeah, exactly. Yeah. Right.

7:02

I'm surprised. There's another one. Hi,

7:05

shanks. Hello. I'm surprised.

7:09

Right. I'm sorry. Um, I'm

7:11

surprised you don't have one of those little, um,

7:14

harnesses, you know, the

7:16

Govee shoulders for the baby sits at the front, you know, where

7:18

you can go walking. No, mine doesn't

7:20

fit. I

7:24

cut myself to it. I'd rather hold

7:26

it like a rug people. Yeah.

7:29

Maybe because you're, maybe you're a next player, you might

7:31

get this as well. But if

7:34

you like, if I could, an

7:37

old lady was about to get run over by

7:39

a Ford Fiesta, I could bend

7:41

over. I reckon I could get that Fiesta off the

7:43

floor in a panic. Like I feel like I can

7:45

lift anything, but if I have to carry

7:47

a baby in a sling for four minutes, I

7:50

mean, my back is in a pile, whereas my

7:52

wife can do it for 45 minutes an hour.

7:54

Don't understand. I saw

7:56

Austin Healy, Wales V England

7:59

crossing the road. on Westgate Street and he got hit

8:01

by a white van and

8:04

I was with him and he just went out in front of me and

8:07

a white van hit him. I

8:10

thought geez that could have been me. I

8:12

can drive a van. Didn't

8:19

happen for those. Gonna

8:22

tweet Austin or me.

8:25

And also I don't whip up my baby's feet. No

8:29

that's midnight express stuff isn't it? I'm

8:31

a lovely father. You

8:33

are a great dad actually. So are you.

8:36

You're a great uncle to your kids.

8:38

Sorry dad. I'm a

8:42

great overlord to my kids. I'm

8:44

a great occasional overlord. Are you

8:47

a great dictator? I forget what

8:51

it's called. Not like you are enough or

8:54

enough is enough or something it's called. My

8:56

mate suggested it once and it was like

8:59

just don't beat yourself up about being a

9:01

rubbish parent because everyone's a rubbish parent Sunday.

9:05

I wasn't actually. Don't listen to

9:11

everyone else. I think you're an alright guy. Yeah.

9:14

One of those backhanded compliments. Four

9:17

kids is enough. That's enough. But I don't know if

9:19

we discussed the snip on the pod have we yet?

9:22

Yeah we have. I'm

9:24

a couple of weeks away now. It's gonna be great.

9:26

And they're

9:30

like you cannot drive in your home. Yeah

9:32

you can. I'm driving to sell sharks after

9:35

mine. If I find stuff happens to you like

9:38

your hair grows back. Really?

9:40

Yeah. What I

9:45

would say is get

9:48

adequate rest. You

9:51

know properly look

9:53

after yourself. Don't do too

9:55

much because not on. Alright.

9:58

Why? Because I'm going to. I'm

10:00

getting it done in London and then I'm going to Manchester

10:02

driving back to Bath then Manchester the next morning and then...

10:05

Why couldn't you get it done on a Monday or Tuesday

10:07

then? And then have flight? Mate, it's like a six month

10:09

wait to get it done. I'll have six more kids by

10:11

then. The

10:13

first slot they had, I'm taking it. I don't care where... I'd

10:16

have done it on Christmas Day mate. Alright. Well,

10:18

that's just be careful is what I'm saying to

10:20

you. Yeah, I mean... Put you in

10:22

a wheelchair. Big lol can

10:24

wheel you around. Yeah, maybe. But

10:27

quite cool. Yeah, maybe. I don't know how it's going

10:29

to work but I'm definitely not getting any rest afterwards.

10:32

Otherwise, it's going to be great. Now, upbeat, upbeat,

10:34

stay upbeat. Can I

10:36

tell you what I've been watching which I can't stop at the moment. It's

10:40

on Disney at the moment. Primal Survivor,

10:43

Hazen Nardel. Oh, that

10:45

sounds awful. What is it? He's

10:48

a... Sounds absolutely awful that time.

10:50

Survivalist. He's a survivalist and he

10:52

goes with different

10:54

tribes in

10:56

different terrain and survives. No, it's

10:59

like... It's reality. It's not fiction.

11:01

Oh, right. That sounds all right. Yeah. It's

11:05

really good. I just can't stop watching him. Like he

11:07

actually... There was one called Tribe, wasn't there? Do

11:09

you remember that? Yes. It was

11:11

on CBC, I think. Yes. And it was

11:13

really good. But this

11:15

is... These are like 40 minute episodes and

11:20

he goes with sort of rainforest tribes. I can't

11:22

remember what they're called. Masai

11:24

tribes. Tribe, the one where

11:26

they... Wherever they were, it might have been Masai

11:29

where they had a game where they

11:31

beat each other with long canes. And

11:34

he bought in and had to do it

11:36

and they just got absolutely leathered by these

11:38

bamboo canes or whatever they were. Yeah. And

11:41

there was... In Tribe, there was one episode where they had

11:43

to turn the cameras off because they were taking this hallucinogenic

11:46

drug. And

11:49

it brings back some dark magic. Oh,

11:51

God. It puts you into a dark

11:53

place. They obviously wanted to do

11:56

everything they were doing. So they had to turn the cameras off.

11:58

But this is good. It's

12:00

really good. I'm fascinated by it

12:02

because he's like he's gone on hunts

12:04

with these tribes and like

12:07

in the Maasai they've got obviously

12:09

cattle is

12:11

their currency really and

12:13

they've got these little arrows which they shoot into

12:16

the cattle into the jugular just to let out

12:18

blood warm blood and they drink it. The

12:22

dine mix it with milk and he's got

12:24

to survive off that for like days and

12:26

then they go on hunting and they're hunting

12:28

different things. It's really good. There's like five

12:31

series but you obviously pick out the

12:33

ones you want to watch. Okay, I'll have a look at

12:35

that. He's good though. Okay.

12:38

He's positive. It's more positive than us. Yeah,

12:41

it's not hard. I've

12:44

watched a couple of episodes of Meat Eater

12:46

which is Steve. I forget his name, not

12:48

Steve. But he's a mate of Joe

12:51

Rogan did one but it's basically a

12:53

hunting program and the odd thing is

12:55

like the hunting

12:59

bit, it's like deer stalking. I

13:01

could happily go deer stalking. I've been deer

13:03

stalking but I didn't want to shoot

13:05

the deer so I was the only guy who didn't take a gun.

13:07

I'm not like a hypocrite. If

13:09

I had to hunt to eat, I

13:11

would but actually I was like we're

13:14

not. Somebody will eat that but we've

13:16

already had breakfast. So I was like I'm alright

13:18

with the walk really but the

13:20

hunting bit I could take or leave. You've

13:23

got to walk around Richmond Park, that's what you say. Yeah.

13:26

Yeah. Scottish Highlands actually is really

13:28

nice but I kind of get it and if

13:31

you're going to eat meat, you should be willing to

13:33

do that potentially. Maybe that's bollocks

13:35

because it's like even a

13:38

zillion years ago, not everyone went out and killed animals. I

13:40

mean there's only a number of people, only

13:43

a percentage of the community

13:45

did but I sort

13:47

of like the idea of being in the wilderness

13:49

with the right gear that you can stay out there

13:51

for a while and just having nowhere else to be.

13:53

I like that idea

13:56

because it's the opposite of my life.

13:58

I love my life but it's like... like there's no,

14:02

like, you know, the world, everything is the opposite to

14:04

our lives, isn't it? Yeah. It's

14:06

the opposite to the next of our lives. So it's

14:08

just, yeah,

14:12

just an anecdote to that really. So like a week in

14:14

the week in the, you

14:17

know, I don't know, the hills of Montana. Yeah,

14:20

I couldn't think I wouldn't make a shoe. Yeah. No,

14:22

that'd be the, that'd be the worst thing. Like

14:24

I could do, I could go to fish. Yeah.

14:28

Um, they killed last, the one I watched was a bear. Yeah.

14:31

I don't know if I could gut like a

14:34

pig or a warthog or someone

14:36

like that. I think if you, if you had to

14:38

eat, if you had to eat and that was the way you ate,

14:40

you could do that. But if I was only there

14:42

for a couple of days, I'd just bring like

14:44

a grenade protein bar or something. Yeah, exactly.

14:47

It takes a bit of honesty. But

14:49

yeah, the one I watched last night, they

14:52

actually, they were, they were on a

14:54

bear hunt and I was like, I feel odd about

14:56

that. But I watched it because I've

14:58

been listening to a few Joe Rogan podcasts,

15:00

and they are so good. They're so long.

15:03

So it takes you a week to listen

15:05

to one often, but they're

15:07

often three hours long, but

15:10

listen to a few of those. And one of them got

15:12

onto the subject of hunting and the bear hunting. And he's

15:15

like, it's, you know, it's

15:17

almost like, well, you can

15:19

hunt, you could a pig or a cow, whatever

15:21

he's absolutely fine. But a bear, we've been told

15:24

that bears are endangered

15:26

or, or they're kind of

15:28

whatever it is, they're teddy bears and that sort of

15:30

stuff. And it feels weird to kill them. But actually,

15:33

for you know, not

15:35

that long ago, they were the primary

15:37

source of protein for lots of communities

15:39

around America and Canada and, and

15:41

all that. And they're actually overpopulated and

15:43

need the numbers reducing in

15:46

certain areas like deer here,

15:48

really. Yeah. What would they kill them for

15:50

that for the fur coats? I think

15:52

the fur I mean, you

15:54

might keep a fur. But

15:57

it's you're not going to sell it or doing anything like that. But

15:59

it's for the meat. I always look at bear

16:01

and think they're quite even

16:04

though they're a bear they can look quite human you know

16:06

the way they walk and stand up tall like

16:08

a monkey like I

16:10

don't think I could eat a monkey but

16:12

try to do. I

16:14

mean they feel very close to us don't they

16:17

but yeah I read something yesterday saying

16:19

they're actually even closer to us than we thought but

16:21

than we previously knew but yeah

16:24

that the hunting thing I kind of I

16:26

definitely think you'd be a silverback wouldn't you

16:28

know I'd be like more orangutan. Yeah

16:34

but yeah it's like a silverback I could get yeah

16:36

that's not my fault I have surgery. I could get

16:38

into the hunting

16:43

thing but I think we can

16:45

do what you want but I don't I don't know if you

16:48

can get into it saying well I'm gonna hunt but I'm only

16:50

gonna hunt pheasant and deer

16:52

and rabbits I'm not gonna hunt anything that

16:54

you know it's not like I don't know

16:56

but the whole concept is I'm 50-50 on

16:58

it but I like the meat. Yeah.

17:00

Do you know what I'm saying? And I watched them on

17:03

Joe Rogan's pod he's like oh I just I've

17:05

watched John Wick like a hundred times he said or

17:07

something like that and I thought oh well we

17:10

tried to watch Oppenheimer last night. Oh

17:12

it's good. Yes we

17:14

pressed play about 20 past seven press

17:18

stop at about 10 and

17:20

we had watched 46 minutes of it that

17:23

is life with a baby. So in between dealing

17:26

with the baby I watched John Wick the whole

17:29

movie as well

17:31

as. It's a very loaded job. Well

17:33

then I watched the first one then if they're more than one. Yeah.

17:36

Spray has to go and breastfeed her so I can't

17:38

do that so I'm just downstairs waiting so I watched

17:40

a whole movie in the interim and

17:44

it it was enjoyable but it's

17:46

it's it's bad.

17:49

I remember watching one of the Avengers

17:51

movies on the plane a couple of

17:53

years ago and it was about three hours long. I

17:56

was just completely lost all the way through it because

17:59

I Didn't realize there were three. The others price her.

18:02

I write the one of those all

18:04

interlinked are getting of what's John Wick.

18:07

I'm is that way I can't

18:09

erase. Yeah, and he's.

18:12

Implausibly. On cannibals and trying

18:14

to say like both twenty trained assassins with

18:16

machine guns and pistols in one room and

18:18

they can't kill him but he can kill

18:21

all of them. Yeah. Yeah, neither.

18:23

eighty eight, so a boys own

18:26

stuff bite quite that. He'll be

18:28

last. Yes, quite bad, but without

18:30

the artist artistry in. But

18:33

I quite enjoyed it because it was

18:35

just of episode now on. I'll probably

18:37

double screening a bit, you know, just

18:39

I'm sick. Will open Jaime though because

18:41

I did exactly save his youth. Start

18:43

would have gone through about. Half

18:45

an Hour on Kitkat Prominent and is one

18:47

of those films he actually really have to

18:49

listen to Become yeah, That Will scream you

18:52

can't go on the phone because so much

18:54

goes on. Get. Under so

18:56

much information plowed into that film

18:58

does some amazing actors in it.

19:01

Even. Even a

19:03

big act is only a small parts yeah.

19:06

Which. Is the don't often see day

19:08

but. It is. It

19:10

is good. As

19:13

a nerd, the manager sentinel. Is.

19:15

A famous actor in a so famous that my name

19:17

on crap with names. I. Thought. Like.

19:20

Yet. A cast is amazing! And the

19:22

forty six minutes we have watched. Was.

19:24

Very, very compelling. Religious.

19:28

Yeah. Really good reading lot you know what you

19:30

do you don't know about when I didn't know

19:32

about of said you about the Manhattan project and

19:34

the about. The Bomb the

19:36

two bombs dropped on and of see the

19:38

race that. Yeah.

19:41

American had against. The Germans.

19:43

And the Russians. But. Actually,

19:46

How are they went about it? Is

19:48

really treated. Ah yes, the

19:50

phones World War Two Because I watched all of

19:52

World War Two on the frontline. On

19:54

Netflix, I added. Some. of the

19:56

other hand some the content is bit like world

19:58

war two caliber But I think

20:01

they sort of touch on

20:03

different battles and different

20:08

issues that went on through World War II. But

20:12

the photography, the film which

20:14

I've made colour is really good. It's

20:16

like HD. Is it in? Yeah.

20:19

So it's good. It's worth watching.

20:22

Okay. Okay. So

20:24

that's a good one for you. Yeah.

20:27

Obviously, you've got slow horses. You up to date

20:29

yet? Yes. Now,

20:32

we need to talk about slow horses. I

20:37

started staying this year the night and we're watching it. And

20:40

I was like, no, don't ruin it like you do. First,

20:43

I remember loving the first series. I can't

20:46

really remember the second series that well, but

20:48

liked it enough that I was really keen

20:50

for the third. And

20:53

I don't know if the writers have changed or something,

20:55

but I'm

20:57

finding it completely ridiculous. There's still some

20:59

great actors in it who are great. Yeah. I'm

21:02

finding it completely ridiculous now to the point where

21:05

I will watch the next episode, but

21:07

not before I finish Oppenheimer. It's not a priority

21:09

for me anymore. It's just some of

21:11

it is just so silly. What do you

21:13

think? I couldn't. Yeah.

21:17

Some of it is a bit silly. It's

21:19

meant to think this goes on in

21:21

the world, but you're thinking that it's kind of one. Even

21:24

something like River

21:26

taking a massive beating and then a

21:29

couple of hours later, space

21:31

seems OK. Yeah. And

21:34

he's either don't give him

21:36

a massive beating or it's

21:38

not that important to the

21:40

plot or giving better

21:42

makeup is what I would say. Yeah.

21:46

There are just 20 things in episode at

21:48

the moment that are just a bit like, oh, but

21:51

I am still enjoying it. I'm still looking forward

21:53

to Wednesday when it comes back on. Yeah.

21:57

Gary Oldman is just my favorite. Amazing.

22:00

He's amazing. Who's that bloke? This bloke walked up to

22:02

us in the day in a hotel, didn't he? And

22:04

you said he looked like Jackson Lamb. Yes,

22:09

he did. If you've seen slow horses,

22:11

that is not a compliment. But as soon as he walks

22:13

off. Oh, well, yeah. Where were you in

22:15

Exeter? Because you had a little drive. We weren't we? Yeah. Didn't

22:17

we? From Cardiff.

22:20

And what happened was, I mean, this is the this

22:23

is life on the road. So we

22:25

get to Cardiff Arms Park. Still call it that.

22:28

Yeah, still called Cardiff Arms Park. About

22:30

five and we go on air at seven.

22:35

30 or something. Yeah, 35. I think

22:37

it was. So they go on there. And for

22:39

whatever reason, Shanks and I didn't see any food

22:42

at that point. There might have been some food

22:44

delivered while we're off doing something else. But we

22:46

never saw any food. So

22:48

it's half time, full time. You've had a couple of sweets,

22:50

but it's half ten. You get in the car and

22:53

we haven't had any dinner. And that is.

22:56

But as Shanks mentioned on the last pod,

22:58

he had indeed cooked the ham. And

23:01

we had a few fistfuls of ham each on the M5. Yeah,

23:04

it looked like. Yours

23:07

and Graham Rountree's ears were eaten

23:09

basically. Yeah. Big slices of

23:11

ham. Yeah. Which were nice.

23:14

And it was nice that you got to do a little bit of

23:16

corporate stuff with me in the marquee before.

23:19

Yeah, it was a gingerbread man. I

23:22

see. I had a camel lamb's

23:25

or camel lamb's or sweater on and

23:28

Shanks. It is now the gingerbread man. And everyone laughed at

23:30

me. It's very good that

23:33

I know that whatever I wear, like we did it in

23:35

a recent. Didn't you know I put

23:37

a tie on and obviously my tie was a bit

23:39

long or something I don't know. And you said, here

23:41

is Mr. Tumble. And I thought that is everyone laugh.

23:43

Good tie on him. Mr.

23:47

Oh, I thought your tie comes below your belt. Don't

23:49

extra long. Rob Jones is always

23:52

good for that because he's quite short. Bloke any

23:54

rubber. So it's good to see

23:56

Gary Powell, the old Cardiff. Yeah, the

23:58

prop. Yeah. Mate

24:00

of yours, good old mate of mine, good to

24:02

see him, looked on good form, big unit still.

24:05

Yeah, he was in there. How

24:08

was he? Great

24:10

neck makes, like just like

24:13

a footballer, nothing to him but just looks

24:15

athletic. He was in there, was he? Yep,

24:18

had a polo neck on

24:20

but wore it a lot better than Rhys

24:22

Williams who has grown a little

24:24

beard now. He's got a designer bid, you

24:26

know, where they actually, it's not just them

24:29

just grown out stubble,

24:31

he sort of designed it,

24:33

which says to me, putting

24:35

a little bit of weight, you hide in your chin. Or

24:40

there comes a point I think when most

24:43

men at a certain age need

24:45

to stop trying to decorate themselves

24:48

and just look like what you look like, exercise, try

24:50

and eat well, sleep as much as you can, but

24:54

inventing chin strap

24:56

beards and getting more and

24:58

more tattoos, the older you get, I sort of

25:00

think it's all fine but what are you trying

25:02

to achieve with this, you know, just look like

25:04

what you look like, you know, and he's good

25:07

looking bloke, is really. Are you saying to me

25:09

that you think the whole middle-aged

25:12

roll neck beard

25:14

combo for him looks tragic, is that what you're

25:16

saying? I'm saying Pete Wicks,

25:18

that's what I'm saying, made in

25:21

Chelsea. Oh right, yeah,

25:23

yeah. So yeah,

25:27

I thought a government agent had walked in when he came

25:29

in. I

25:33

thought this guy looks like he's with chucking the heat, yeah

25:35

he's packing the heat, some is not

25:38

right here, but

25:40

we had a nice, yeah the journey was all right, wasn't

25:42

it, we made a made a good bit of time, I

25:45

saw Graham Roundtree at, you mentioned him at XTR

25:47

on Sunday as you probably did too. I thought

25:49

he listened to the part which shocked me, yeah

25:51

he popped over and said he

25:54

enjoys it, I think he was bitching and moaning

25:56

about nursery pickups in the rain, I think

25:58

he said he enjoys. I imagine. he

26:00

gets enough rugby information in his

26:03

life. Considering this is a

26:05

rugby pod and we don't really talk about it, I think

26:07

it's probably a bit of light relief for someone like him

26:10

because it's probably quite intense being a boss

26:12

of a big old team like

26:14

that. I can't remember what song was

26:16

being sung but it was when

26:18

I had a little chat with him outside the front of the hotel. I left

26:21

it was only 40 minutes. A

26:24

little bit of rubbers. When

26:26

we left there were some months of supporters and they love

26:28

him and they were singing a

26:30

Christmas song to him with Graham

26:33

Roundtree in the lyrics. Walking

26:36

around if he won the Landersm I

26:46

wish it could be roundtree every day. I remember thinking that's nice. We

26:48

will have to talk rugby mate because we're

26:50

gonna have to. There's so many good

26:52

games. I mean we did too. The problem

26:55

is we want to get to that. I know that

26:57

but I've

27:00

got 20 nets of logs being delivered for

27:02

the log fire in the next an hour

27:05

following the pod. Alright that's fine. So what

27:07

we'll do then? We'll go through the games

27:09

and we'll say good or bad. Well

27:12

the problem is, no it's

27:14

not the timing I'm worried about, it's the fact

27:16

that because the grass I've mentioned before is so

27:19

boggy in my garden, the

27:21

whole place is gonna look like a

27:24

ploughed field. The house in Patio, not a ploughed

27:26

field by the time I got all the logs

27:28

out there. That is what's concerning me today. What's

27:31

that got to do with the rugby? Nothing.

27:33

I'm saying you want to go to the rugby but I've got

27:35

bigger issues. But talking

27:38

about it isn't gonna help. I

27:40

know. I'd like to bloke around if there's

27:42

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29:13

you believe, I'm going to force you now, can you believe Scarlett's

29:17

lost to the black lion, the Georgian

29:19

team? Respectfully, I'm surprised

29:21

by that. Who's under pressure? If that's

29:24

a freak result, fine. But

29:29

is it a freak result in

29:31

terms of the season for Scarlett's and is anyone

29:33

under pressure? Yeah, they will be

29:35

under pressure. Definitely under pressure. It's not

29:37

been a good start to their season.

29:40

They do, who have they got next?

29:42

It will be Boxing Day fixture against

29:44

the Ospreys. Which

29:46

will be tough. Ospreys got a good team. So

29:50

yeah, I think they could go into it,

29:54

into January with, I'm trying to think now

29:56

what games have they won. I

29:58

think it was. Cardiff

30:04

who else have they beaten might

30:07

be in Zebra but they're shrugs

30:09

against the Lions that but mind you yeah it

30:12

was a game mate good for the game

30:15

good who did

30:17

they beat yeah they've beaten Cardiff

30:20

twice home

30:23

and away Cardiff

30:25

Bath was good yes it was

30:27

really good yeah

30:30

Alfie Barbary great carry-up yeah really

30:32

impressed with him yeah well thank

30:35

good to during the game but

30:39

I think it's could see her I

30:41

think it's could see her massive impact huge

30:44

impact yeah he did a just

30:46

a little bit stronger than Cardiff weren't they were

30:48

ball carriers I did like I

30:50

did like Mackenzie Martin Lucas

30:52

de la Rua young back row

30:54

with Alex Mann it's really good news

30:57

for Cardiff they've got a few youngsters

30:59

coming through and you and they can experience

31:01

in big games because it was a big

31:04

game you know playing the Gallagher leaders at

31:06

the moment and it was

31:08

it was close all the way it was really

31:10

good to commentate on because everything

31:13

was different you weren't commenting about the same

31:15

thing over and over again and

31:18

it went right down really to the last five

31:21

minutes or so so yeah

31:23

they're the best jeopardy is what you want

31:25

but I do have to say when we're

31:28

watching the game from the gantry where we are

31:30

and you get better you do get a better

31:32

view than what's on TV and you get to

31:34

see movement and position positional play

31:38

Finn Russell was by

31:40

far the best player on that field I know like

31:42

defensively there

31:45

were some missed tackles

31:47

or some weaker tackles but he's

31:49

not in there to ban players he's in there to walk

31:52

a straight attack and he just

31:54

does it with such ease and so much time

31:57

it is a joy to watch a player like that Yeah,

32:00

not everything he did was perfect. That wasn't

32:02

him anywhere near

32:04

his best, really, I didn't think, but he's

32:06

still, I'm like you watching the game thinking

32:09

he is the best rugby player in that field by

32:11

distance. And there are some really good players out there

32:13

on both sides. He is the best out there. Just

32:17

you're right. It looks easy. Of course, it's not

32:19

easy. It's years of work and it's it's

32:21

still an ongoing, you

32:23

know, aggressive

32:26

amount of work every week of his

32:28

life, probably almost weeks of his life. But Jesus,

32:31

good Jesus, he makes stuff look

32:33

easy. I thought Tom Deglanville look

32:35

really good. Yeah. Full back runs

32:37

it back as a threat, proper

32:39

threat. Yeah, he's good. Him and Gallagher,

32:41

they got a bar. Which I

32:45

think is good. You know, he's not that indecisive. He's like,

32:47

right, I'm running. And I'll take it to the line.

32:50

Yeah, he's good. I

32:52

was really surprised that quick Mason

32:54

Grady was actually but

32:57

you got to use him is the point. And you

32:59

wonder if he's massive and that massive and that quick

33:02

is he wasted out there like, yeah,

33:04

I think so. But

33:06

Wales good enough to use him to get him in

33:08

the game loads like I

33:11

mean, George North played on the wing

33:13

a lot for Wales. And partly that's

33:15

because Jamie Roberts and John Davis were

33:17

there. Yeah. In the centers. So that

33:20

ended up in his position for a lot of

33:22

his career. At the moment, you think there's

33:25

no one really holding their hand up too much about

33:30

you know, dominant partnership, I think.

33:32

Yeah, Tom Kinsey and George North will

33:34

be the incumbent from the World Cup.

33:36

But I would

33:38

certainly look at moving Mason Grady in one

33:41

at some stage from left wing

33:43

into outside center, because he's too

33:45

good. We were a little bit

33:47

surprised with Exeter's

33:50

defense again, we saw it last week,

33:52

probably you've probably seen it all season.

33:54

It is so aggressive. There's a

33:56

lot of errors that happen with it. But catch

34:00

you, you're gone aren't you? You're

34:02

basically, you're toast, you're 10 metres behind

34:04

the game. Yeah, high

34:06

pressure blitz, narrow, mentioned

34:10

it's tied burn before the game and it

34:13

kind of was like yeah, you know, we have spotted

34:15

that, like it's not difficult to spot but it's doing

34:17

something about it, it's the challenge and Munster

34:20

worked out a lot of ways. Jack

34:22

Crowley did really well a number of times, kicking

34:24

over the top, passing over the top, pulling it

34:26

back really, really deep so that the Chiefs defenders

34:28

find themselves in no man's land and you work

34:30

around them from deep and it

34:34

Munster loses, like they just, they did enough, they

34:36

worked it out and did enough and then if

34:38

you look at it from Chiefs, the fight and

34:40

the spirit won them that game at the end

34:42

with a Jack Dunter and the Slade try but

34:45

actually if you look at it from Grand

34:47

Round Trees point of view, they are the

34:50

two softest tries that ever lost a top

34:52

team a game, you know. But everything has

34:54

to be perfect, everything has to be perfect

34:57

for an attack against that

34:59

extra defense because if the kick isn't perfect

35:01

and it has to check the player or

35:03

the pass over the top isn't perfect, the

35:06

cover comes across. You're just asking

35:08

a lot from your 12s,

35:10

your 13s and your wingers because they have to blitz

35:12

up as fast as they can to cut

35:16

the passes off unless they go over the top.

35:18

Then they go over the top, they've got to

35:20

hammer it to the touch line and

35:23

that will take it out of you. You

35:25

noticed that Joe Hawkins, who's a big unit in

35:27

the center, he played well but you noticed that

35:29

a couple of times he was hanging on aerobically,

35:32

he was hanging and Ben Hammersy

35:34

on the wing, the young winger thought he was

35:36

really good because he only little but thought he

35:38

was really, really good, clever, abrasive, loads of action,

35:40

he was cramping and you think that

35:43

is a particularly tough way to

35:45

defend and there were a

35:47

couple of times where we said in commentary I think

35:49

he just, even if you're running

35:51

an up and in a blitz defense, and

35:54

you're steaming off the line, there have to be situations

35:56

where you recognize you don't have the numbers, they've

36:00

got quite ball and you've got to be passive

36:02

and drift and chiefs just refuse to do that.

36:04

They just steam up anyway and it's

36:07

two sides to it, isn't it?

36:11

Like Henry Slade was saying, ask the game, we're

36:13

learning it. Everyone's learning it. So we'll get better

36:15

at it and get more used to it. The

36:17

other side of it is at some point you've

36:19

got to play against attacks like, you

36:21

know, Baths and light Saracens

36:23

and whatever and Quinn's when they're on it. They

36:26

weren't on it at the weekend, but when they

36:28

are and you think they are attacks that could,

36:30

you would back Saris to pull that defence apart,

36:32

you would. Are you back to

36:34

lose to do it? You're back maybe some of

36:36

the bigger teams and some of

36:39

the teams that have got a better platform

36:41

and more power because you can't blitz really

36:43

if you're losing the game line on quick

36:45

ball. You can't, you have to go passive. Vincent

36:48

made a difference when he came on. I thought

36:50

a big carrying game as did Dunne, a bit

36:52

of a try. But

36:55

it was, again, a really enjoyable game.

36:57

I love commenting on it because so much happened. Phil

37:00

a little bit. Sorry for Munster in a way because

37:02

I thought they'd probably

37:04

done enough, I thought, at one stage. But then just

37:08

got undone a little bit by the extra

37:10

more, the extra power and

37:12

then the try from Dunne, which was

37:15

a really good kick from Stu Town's

37:17

end because it hit space. Yeah,

37:19

that kick is short or

37:21

it's too far, it's being caught. But

37:25

that's Stu Town's in, mate. That's his nickname,

37:27

Kingsbridge. Punchy Stu Town's end. Great,

37:29

great. And cover from or

37:34

support line from Dunne to collect that ball. Yeah,

37:37

it's good. And I've only seen the

37:39

highlights of so far of Quinn's to

37:41

lose, but Jeepers, Dupont

37:44

and Ramos just come

37:46

halving up. Ramos, I've

37:48

seen a little bit of Esther Hazen

37:50

just bulldozing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

37:53

He then had to move to the wig where he's a

37:55

little bit wasted because you want

37:57

him at 12, don't you? You want

37:59

him to hit the short. He's also got massive, you forget about

38:01

his skill level, but he's also got, I don't

38:03

know if

38:07

you call him like a world-class distributor, like he's

38:09

not a second 5'8", but actually he gets the

38:12

ball away really well a lot. Manic

38:14

is so big, it's like holding a cricket ball, he can see

38:16

what he wants with it. A couple of games I'm desperate to

38:18

watch, which I will do this week.

38:20

Stad, Fransay, Leicester. I've

38:24

heard that as a cracker. I also

38:26

really want to watch Lentz the Sale. A

38:29

lot of high-scoring games,

38:32

especially in the Champions Cup, which

38:34

is good, which is what

38:36

we want to see. Apart

38:39

from Bayon, Glasgow,

38:42

which is 11-12, big win for Glasgow. La

38:45

Rochelle flats, 0-2. I

38:47

know, yeah. Who would

38:49

have thought that? A few

38:52

things would go their way, they could win a few and

38:54

they'd go on and win the tournament, but actually they

38:58

don't quite look at it, hence losing two games,

39:00

they don't look indomitable. Their

39:03

power is still very hard to deal with because they've

39:05

got a lot of massive, powerful men, that's what they're

39:07

signed for. But

39:10

teams are hanging on in there, defences are prime

39:13

and ready. Good for Manny

39:15

LaBoc, clutch kick, especially half-life, who

39:17

can't kick, etc. Especially

39:20

after the end of the World

39:22

Cup, where he got subbed

39:24

off early and wasn't involved in the

39:26

final. The

39:30

image of him kicking that kick to win with his hands

39:32

in the air when he's kicked it,

39:34

that will be on his wall when he

39:36

retires. Would you be the type of player,

39:38

if someone kicks that, that would run over

39:40

to him and give him

39:42

a hug or would you just give him a

39:44

knuckles and they'd change him after because you're knackered?

39:49

That late, I wouldn't make it over there. The

40:00

made I like both. The hype that

40:02

their couple applies is more more of

40:04

it. Now a couple applies to say

40:06

come on the crowd laughs.out minus ah.

40:10

Debate or eight was not always, but it

40:12

was very often the ones he weren't really.

40:14

That. Are to play against like. Martin

40:17

Johnson. You have to get the crowd behind the

40:19

because it back to you and caught lines and

40:21

win the game. But. It always people

40:23

like come on the crowd now I don't

40:25

mind it now lol Player in a not

40:27

grumpy about it when I was playing as

40:29

I eat what. Yeah. Right

40:32

we got a minute last boy I saw

40:34

to go more toward a camel.know because up

40:36

with Alex covered. All. Right? Ah,

40:38

allow burgers for me tomorrow. Corner.

40:41

Of us have actually gotten a short ribs going

40:43

in in between now and looks for the short

40:45

ribs in the speech. Short ribs? hims gonna leave

40:47

him in all dance Who? Athens. Moreover,

40:50

the evening. Know. But mean, laden.

40:53

Tunneling. Full of it's will. Not.

40:57

Take an old school. In. Cook merely

40:59

my to Athens if the is that if the

41:01

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41:03

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