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Hello. Hello. And welcome back to another

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episode of FluentlyForward. I'm here

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with a very special

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guest, Lindsay from We met Acme

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welcome to the podcast. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

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for having me. I'm excited to have you on

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because we talk about celebrities

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and pop culture here and obviously dating

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and relationships come up. You can't,

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like, talk about celebrities without talking about

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the relationships that they're in. And I'm excited

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to, a, get a little bit judgmental

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you today to be honest. Yeah. And

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then also, be it just kind of like vet this

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advice that celebrities are giving and

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how we judge them. And when we judge celebrities

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at least hear for me. We don't know these people

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as strangers, but I always think

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of it as a fun thought exercise because

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how people perceive you It's

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almost like there's who you are and then there's also

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how people can see you. Yeah. And as a celebrity,

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like, your job is to do good PR.

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Mhmm. So I think if a bunch of people

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hate a celebrity couple, it's kind of

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their fault because they have a PR team that's

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supposed to make them likable. Interesting.

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Yeah. Interesting. I mean, yes

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and no. Right? Because we do see

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things so out of context. But

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I do things get, like, clipped. Things get

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clipped. I but I do agree that,

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like, it slips through through the cracks.

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Like, I once almost did a reality show and

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was so nervous about it and I was like,

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I what if, like, I'm cut weirdly

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and they were like, at the end of the day, no

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one's, like, cut weirdly to become

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a Like, you if you

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suck, you're gonna come off like you

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suck. And if you're great, people are

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gonna love you. And I was like, that's interesting.

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And I'm guessing you didn't end up I didn't end up doing

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it because I was like, I don't trust anyone here.

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I think the same thing too. Also,

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like, I know I would get cut immediately because I

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feel like you either You have to be the villain

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or, like, throwing yourself at someone.

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Like, you have to be big in one of categories.

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You can't just be, like, the girl now. You can't just

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exist. I mean, it depends on the type of

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show, but you can't just exist. That's for sure. What

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was it? Serve It was a dating show. It

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was, like, when I was single a long time

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ago, it was a dating show, not a bachelorette.

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It was, like, a specific guy who

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was already famous and, like, finding a girl to

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date him. Oh, you would have done

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really well, though. Thank you. Actually,

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but and this is, like, some tea between

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us. The producer was like, don't worry

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you'll win. Like, I'll make sure of it. And

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I was like, well, then I

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really don't wanna do this because it's like definitely

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rigged. But like cool that I would win. Know, so

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what else about takes the fun out of love?

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Like, if you -- Yeah. -- met your husband on the first date and

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somebody was like, they're gonna be your husband, I'd be

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like, okay. Well, then, like, I'll, like, show up without

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my, like, shaved. I'm right. Exactly. Interesting.

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So before we get into these celebrities, your

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podcast, we Acme, you've had it for

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wanna say, like, I feel like I was listening to it

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five years ago. Oh, yeah. It has over five years now,

2:43

which is crazy. October twenty

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seventeen. The name is, like, such a,

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like, it's such a draw,

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people, and type of thing. You

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talk about relationships on there, you talk about

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breakups, you talk about advice, one

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of the things I love that you do on your Instagram

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is you have my rules. Mhmm.

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And it's just rules that you have for both the guy

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and the girl, and it's great because if

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you ever find yourself in times of trouble,

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like go to Lindsay's Instagram page and

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like there's a guide for what to do, have

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you ever heard of the rules revisit it. It's

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like this blog by a man. I

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haven't actually or maybe I have, but

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I've never looked into it. Tell me more.

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It is like when you go, I think it's

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called the rules revisited, and it's on like an HTML

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site where, like, the graphics are green

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and it hasn't been updated in probably, like,

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ten years. And he basically

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goes through, you know, that book, the rule of

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course. But it's a man vetting it. And he

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has really controversial stuff on there. And he's

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kind of an asshole, but he kind of has a good

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heart and he breaks down everything. He

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has rules like, you shouldn't date to

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find your boyfriend, you should always date to find your

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husband, don't ever

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text and on their birthday. Who cares?

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Well, that's a good point. Yeah. So some of

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it's good, but I'm surprised, like, it would be a good

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topic for you. Oh, yeah. Now I'm gonna do a whole

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episode on it. Thanks to you. He's

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probably, like, in jail now. He's, like, kinda crazy.

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But it's, like, it's very fun coming. Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay. So getting into some celebrities real

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quick One question for you. I

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know that you get into astrology and

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birth charts. When you look at a celebrity

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couple, do you ever look at their birth chart

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to see if they're meant to be together Of course.

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It's one of the first things that I look at and

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we're gonna get into Kristen and Docs today.

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I already know. I before or you

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even sent the topic thing. I knew their

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signs. And I know well, by the way, when's your

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birthday? May twenty six. Okay. I just wanna

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make sure so I don't offend you. By talking No.

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Everybody's a big dominoes. No. I love

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dominoes, actually, as a Libra. But

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Kristen and DAX are opposite signs. So

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Kristen is a cancer and DAX is a capricorn.

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Okay. So she's, like, emotional, obviously.

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She's emotional, but it's it's not even just

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about that. It's when it's opposite

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signs, opposites either

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attract or attack. And I

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think they do a bit of both, and we'll talk about that

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later. But that's that's the gist.

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Attract and attack could be their

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tagline as, like, a couple Literally. Who

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they? Literally. So let's start

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with them because I a lot of strong feelings

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about Christian and sex. And then we'll kind of go into

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judging and vetting the different

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advice of other celebrity parents. So

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Kristen and Dax to I've always

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hated them just because

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I feel like they're in the news so

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often. And they're doing such TMI

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about their relationship. And it really is a

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fine line as a celebrity where

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I think there was a celebrity recently

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saying that she likes getting peed on

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might been my ditty. Like, I just saw it on Instagram

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when I was scrolling. But at the same

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time, you don't wanna go the other side

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where you're Taylor Swift and you've been

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dating a guy for eight years. But it

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almost feels vindictive that

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you don't even have like one photo together

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as a selfie. So I feel like there's such

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a spectrum that celebrities take where they're

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either telling you all about their colonoscopy

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and you're watching it on Good Morning America

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or you know nothing about them.

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And Christian and DAX have

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basically during quarantine, they ramped

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up a lot of their quotes by saying that they were

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fighting and they were having rage blackouts

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when fighting. What do you think of this

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idea of like should you what

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should you share about your relationship? And

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what's the line between TMI

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and, like, authenticity? I think there's a

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middle ground Like, I always make this

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joke. I talk about my husband on our

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podcast on my podcast, but I'm not gonna, like,

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describe his penis. Like,

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there's, like, you you can talk

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about it without going too far

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and being disrespectful. The difference between

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me talking about my husband and Kristen and

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DAX is that they are

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both public figures and they both want to be talked

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about. Especially tags.

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Dogs would be, like, specialties, like, draw my

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penis. Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah.

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And so I think that,

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you know, there is

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a fine line. I think you can find somewhere in

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the middle where, like, you're like, yeah, I'm in

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a relationship. You know, we had this one

6:52

argument. It taught me this. It taught him

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this. Blah blah blah, as

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opposed to Yeah. And

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I ripped off his shirt, and I, you know,

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like granted, I think no

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argument should get to the dark points

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where their arguments have and

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reading about, you know, this

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blackout rage fight where Kristen

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loves to slam the doors and

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leave in her car, and that's

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like toxic behavior 101.

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Mhmm. It's sometimes I have to

7:22

wonder when celebrities give interviews. Because

7:24

sometimes you think that something is

7:26

happening with you. Like, I've done a few videos

7:28

about, like, discharge on TikTok. Everyone's

7:31

like, oh, so relatable. And I'm like, but one day it

7:33

won't be. And you guys will all look at me weird. And

7:35

I have to wonder when sometimes celebrities give

7:37

interviews and Yeah. You know that moment where

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you're just so mad. You, like, throw a plate at someone's

7:41

head and it's like a record scratch. And everybody's

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like, actually no idea. Yeah. Never thrown

7:45

It's so funny you say that

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about discharge because like my friends and I talk about

7:49

this stuff all the time. People need it's a

7:51

it's an epidemic. Yeah. It overstimulate

7:54

you. There's nothing you can do about it except

7:56

like wear a period cup. And even if you

7:58

wear a panty liner, well, like now that's not good

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for your vagina, basically like stop

8:02

it's the side effect of having a wop. Yes.

8:05

You know? And everybody, like, sometimes

8:07

there were people on my comments too there, like, one

8:09

day, It's like I have really thick hair and my

8:11

mom's like one day when you're older, you'll love having

8:13

thick hair. It's like one day you'll love your discharge

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when you get older by one hundred percent.

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Okay. So Christian and DAX,

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they they've been together for a while. They met at

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a dinner party in two thousand and seven.

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And what's really interesting is that they were

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both out of relationships,

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like fresh out of relationships then. And they

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both said that there were, quote,

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no sparks whatsoever when they

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first met that night. She remembered that

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he, quote, talked so much,

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and he said this about her. When I met her and

8:40

her friends, I was suspicious of their

8:42

unbridled happiness I thought something

8:44

stinks here, they're in a cult.

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But slowly, I began to see her positive

8:48

way of looking at the world. She gives people the

8:50

benefit of the doubt. What

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do you think of that initially? I

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I feel like whenever DAX talks about

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Kristen, he kind of

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negs her. Like, he kind of says something shit. Like,

9:01

backhanded compliments. I think

9:03

that what he's saying, it just sounds

9:05

like textbook, he's a narcissist. Yeah.

9:07

And he's like, oh, she's

9:09

a happy person, and I

9:11

could totally fuck her

9:13

life up. Because, like -- Mhmm. --

9:15

she seems like the kind of person that

9:17

would always give me a hug no matter

9:19

how me and I was to her. That's someone I

9:21

wanna be with. Yeah.

9:23

It it really does seem that way too. And

9:25

also, I

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don't know, I just have to think whenever people say there

9:29

were no sparks whatsoever, maybe

9:31

this is just me judging

9:34

people obviously. But I would imagine if you

9:36

meet Kristen Bell and you meet a famous

9:39

Hollywood actress at a party, even if

9:41

you're fresh out of a relationship, wouldn't there be like a

9:43

little bit of sparks or at least if

9:45

you're now married, wouldn't you be

9:47

able to look back and say like, oh, you

9:49

know, we didn't get up each other's numbers, but I

9:51

thought they were cute. Right. I think

9:53

it's I think it's weird to say

9:55

about your partner. There were no sparks

9:57

whatsoever. But one could argue, like,

9:59

they're just being really honest. And, like, some

10:01

people say, like, oh my god, I knew they were my

10:03

wife after the first date. But then it's like,

10:05

well, you knew in hindsight because it's your wife now,

10:07

you know, I don't think it's like the biggest I

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think out of all the things that we're gonna talk

10:11

about, that's like the least of the red

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box. This is low level. And you knew

10:15

your husband before you guys started dating.

10:17

Yeah. And and to be honest with you, when we met

10:19

for the first time, there were no sparks, but so

10:21

ever. But it was however. But because I

10:23

was in a relationship and he was

10:26

like my boyfriend at the

10:28

times colleague's friend.

10:30

Yeah. Like, I was not your mind

10:32

isn't, like, processed, like, it like

10:34

that. You know. Yeah. And then when I ran

10:36

into him a few years later when we were

10:38

twenty nine, there were a shit ton

10:40

of sparks. And

10:42

so, like, that but that's different than saying

10:44

there were no sparks whatsoever, and there were never sparks

10:46

again. You know? Yeah. Exact would

10:49

completely agree the same way. And also, it's

10:51

not like there were years before

10:53

this. So after they met, it was like a couple of

10:55

months later, they ended up going to a

10:57

basketball game together. Or no,

10:59

started baseball game together. They started dating.

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And what happened basically

11:03

was this is what

11:05

Jack said. There was a ton of

11:07

jealousy for pretty good reasons. I had been in an

11:09

open relationship for nine years. I was

11:11

blacked out a big chunk of my life. There were

11:13

a lot of things for her to be concerned about so

11:15

they start dating romantically. And

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after a couple of months, they

11:20

break up. And Kristen basically

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says that We would get into a fight because we'd

11:24

fight a lot. I'd yell something and then

11:26

slam the bedroom door. I'd slam the front

11:28

door, get in my car, skid out the

11:30

driveway, and I would sit around the corner in

11:32

my car, and it felt so good. And I

11:34

realized how incredibly toxic it

11:36

was only after he pointed it out.

11:38

I kinda don't buy that. Like, you're

11:40

driving away and you're car just to sit

11:42

around the corner. I feel like there must be some part of

11:44

your brain that goes, this is a little

11:46

bit toxic. Of course. And

11:48

also, it takes you back to, like, that high school

11:50

relationship where, like, you're on

11:52

this roller coaster and, like, the highs

11:54

feel so good and the lows feel so

11:56

low. And so, yeah, it is toxic. But

11:58

I think she was feeding into it. I

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think he was starting

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it, and then she was feeding into it. That's what

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I think. Like, you don't just run out of

12:06

your house because someone was, like, well, you pass

12:08

the salt. So, like, he obviously was, like,

12:10

you're fucking stupid bitch. You know?

12:12

Like -- Yes. -- obviously, he said

12:14

some fucked up stuff.

12:16

And I will say, and this is a whole other

12:18

avenue that we could go down, but I don't

12:20

know if we should. Like, he's

12:22

an addict. I'm sober.

12:24

Like, I understand what

12:26

it's like to be an addict and like there

12:29

is a big part of

12:31

addiction that is like this selfish,

12:34

just like selfish tendencies.

12:37

Mhmm. And I think that it's

12:39

really difficult to be with an addict for

12:41

for the, like, that reason and so many

12:43

others. So I think she's protecting

12:45

him in throwing herself under the

12:47

bus and being like, well, I would just get mad

12:49

and slam the door and run away. It's like, why

12:51

are you running you're running for a reason?

12:53

Yeah. And they'd never really mention that. I

12:55

mean, during quarantine, they do kind of talk about

12:57

the specifics of their fight, which I'm like so

12:59

excited to dive into. But, yeah, she

13:01

just says, we'd get into a

13:03

fight because we'd fight a lot. And it's like, what's

13:05

the I've fought in a

13:07

plethora of different relationship. Sometimes

13:10

somebody's lying. Sometimes you just

13:12

don't connect and like see eye to eye

13:14

together. Sometimes somebody said

13:17

something shitty. You know, typically there's like

13:19

a pattern and they never really say they just keep

13:21

saying that they're fighting. So

13:23

after three months together, DAX

13:25

ended their relationship for a little bit.

13:27

Kristen says he sat me down and said, I

13:29

can't have this right now. I think that you're wonderful,

13:31

but I am still dating other people.

13:33

And then I like liquefied and

13:35

fell to the

13:35

ground, but I felt incredibly expected that he

13:38

had the balls to tell me we weren't in the

13:40

same place. A lot to

13:41

dig into there. What do you think of that? I mean,

13:44

just so many red flags. Like

13:46

one one after another, I think,

13:48

I'm a big believer and, like, you shouldn't break up

13:50

and get back together with someone. Like, if

13:52

you broke up for the first time, like,

13:54

the first time there was a reason

13:56

you need to pay attention to it and you

13:58

need to go on your merry way because,

14:00

like, the person that's meant for you, you're

14:02

not gonna have to break up with them and get back together

14:04

and break up with them and get back together.

14:06

I think obviously it

14:08

was mature of him

14:10

to be honest, but like, again,

14:12

she's making excuses for him. But

14:14

also mature in the sense where I feel

14:17

like guys so often will be

14:19

like, I'm be they'll say that

14:21

they're doing something mature, and it's like the

14:23

cousin of mature. You know? So, DAX

14:25

sitting you down and saying, I can't this

14:27

right now. I think you're wonderful, but I'm still

14:29

dating other people. The act of

14:31

sitting someone down and having conversation is,

14:33

like, in good faith, but I

14:35

feel like DAX must have done it in a shitty way

14:37

because first of all, I think

14:39

you're great, but I'm still dating other people. What

14:41

does that to do it. Fucking condescending. Just,

14:43

like, end it with her. You don't have to bring up

14:45

Anne, by the way, I'm, like, still fucking

14:47

bitches. Like, we're not what this talk is about.

14:49

No. But I think like, now hearing

14:51

it again, if someone said that to Acme, if

14:54

I said that to someone, I'd be like,

14:56

it's so cute how I obsessed with me you

14:58

are. But I'm not there yet with you. I

15:00

don't feel the same. That's what he's saying.

15:02

Yeah. And it's so obnoxious,

15:04

so condescending. Like, he

15:07

he basically is saying like you're so into

15:09

me and I'm

15:09

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other people. And then the other part of this quote is

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when Kristen says, and then I

16:29

like liquefied and felt the ground. And

16:31

sure, maybe you're handling it up for the cameras. I'm

16:33

also an anxious Attached Girl, so I'm

16:35

like relatable. But also, I'm

16:37

anxiously attached like, after you've been my

16:39

boyfriend for a year or something, after three

16:41

months together is like,

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that's a lot to liquefy and fall to the

16:45

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16:45

over. I I disagree.

16:48

I I think that those three monthers

16:50

can really hook you in

16:52

-- Mhmm. -- and you've only seen the good for

16:54

of somebody, so you create paint

16:57

this picture of, like, this amazing relationship

16:59

together and, like, you know, to bring back our girl,

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Taylor's. Weft who you mentioned, like,

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you know, all well and the Jake Gyllenah was up, that was

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three months. So I don't think

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it's impossible to have really strong feelings

17:10

after three months. I think that's when you

17:12

either start officially dating

17:15

or you end things and

17:17

like some people have the the love

17:19

feeling after three months. So I don't think that that's

17:21

so crazy, but I do see what you're saying.

17:23

Yeah. So and I I feel like this

17:25

is one of your rules. Is it at

17:27

what point are you supposed to be exclusive with

17:29

someone? Would you No more than three months.

17:31

Like, that's that's just about that time.

17:33

Yeah. I I feel the same way

17:35

too. Okay. So they did not

17:37

take your advice. They ended up getting

17:39

back together. Just a few days

17:41

later, DAX called her and said, I don't know what

17:43

I was thinking. I was I can't

17:45

believe this. And he said, I don't know what I was

17:47

thinking. I was dating someone else but they're

17:49

not as interesting as you and I don't

17:51

know what I'm doing and he came

17:53

back, which is just

17:55

in a terrible form First

17:57

of all, so rude to the person that he was

17:59

dating. And then also because she exists in this

18:01

world, and she's probably read that quote.

18:04

Yeah.

18:04

Like, why put down another woman? That

18:07

reminds me of when guys say, like, yeah, my ex was

18:09

so crazy. She was such a bitch.

18:11

Like, it's that same energy, like, you don't

18:13

need to put down someone else.

18:15

If if someone came to you and they're like, oh,

18:17

yeah. Like, I just fucked someone last

18:19

night, but, like, it wasn't that good. So do you

18:21

wanna fuck tonight? Like, really

18:23

get away. That's not how you deliver

18:25

things. No. Like, he should have gone back to

18:27

her and been like, Kristen,

18:29

I'm an idiot. I don't know why

18:32

I was dating anyone else. You are the

18:34

person that I wanna be with.

18:36

Period. And it still sows those, like,

18:38

flames of What did he say

18:40

before? Right? I think you're wonderful, but I'm

18:42

dating other people. Oh, I was dating someone

18:44

else, but they're not as interesting as you.

18:46

It still kind of puts this mentality

18:48

there of work for me, bitch.

18:50

Be interesting. Exactly. Sparkly

18:52

enough to hold my attention. Be

18:54

shiny, capture, be interesting.

18:56

And I feel like when decks says,

18:58

and so many guys say this

19:00

about girls, they're not interesting. Mhmm.

19:03

And I just feel like it's such a

19:05

layered thing to say to someone, and I

19:07

feel like it typically there's almost an element of, like, they're

19:09

not smart enough for me. Right. They're not

19:11

engaging enough for me. They're not keeping up

19:13

with me. I just feel like DAX would

19:15

have those types of mentalities about women. Right. And it

19:17

puts so much pressure on you to be interesting. It

19:19

puts so much pressure. I actually remember on

19:21

my first date with my husband,

19:24

he was talking about someone he had dated in the past.

19:26

And he said something like,

19:28

yeah. She, like, didn't like,

19:30

she was, like, kinda helpless. Like,

19:32

she didn't, like, have her own life, like, whatever. And granted,

19:34

like, I already had my own life, like,

19:36

too much. But if I

19:39

didn't, I would then be like, oh, shit.

19:41

I can never ask him for

19:43

help with anything. I have to, like,

19:45

amp up, like, my girls dinners,

19:48

like, I cannot in any way, you

19:50

know, be an inkling of that

19:52

thing. But I was guilty of it too.

19:54

I remember on our first date, I said

19:56

something like about x's not

19:58

wanting to, like, have sex as

20:00

frequently as I like to. And then I

20:02

think he, like, was, like, oh, I gotta have sex with her all

20:04

the time. You know what I mean? So I think we

20:06

can all say that, like, we're guilty

20:08

of that, but not

20:10

intentionally. It happens

20:12

all the time. I remember I dated one guy

20:14

who was, like, yeah, like my last girlfriend,

20:16

like, she just kind of, like,

20:18

moved in with me without, like, me

20:20

asking and, like, she wouldn't every

20:22

time we ordered delivery, it was at

20:24

my place. So, like, I was paying for it all the

20:26

time, but she was always over here. So, like, I ended

20:28

up, like, funding her entire life. You better believe,

20:30

like, when the chat came, I was like, do you want me to pay

20:32

for that or anything you want? Right.

20:35

Just, like, cements in your brain where

20:37

you're like, okay, here's what not to do.

20:39

Like, they're giving me a

20:39

guide. Right. Exactly. So now, Kristen's

20:42

like, okay. Well, I have to be interested. This

20:44

other girl wasn't as interesting as

20:46

me. This is my saving grace

20:48

quality while he came back, time to

20:50

pull out all it's like a fun fact every night

20:52

with me. So Who

20:54

knows? So they end up

20:56

proposing and even this oh my

20:58

god. Like, I I hate

21:01

reading situations like this.

21:03

But after two years together, he proposed to her

21:05

over the holidays in two thousand nine, and

21:07

they say that Jason Bateman told

21:09

DAX to, quote, stop fucking around and

21:11

marry Kristen. And DAX has

21:13

so many quotes where he's like,

21:15

I did not want to get married. Like,

21:17

monogamy was not from me like, not

21:19

for me at all, but, like,

21:21

I guess, I did with her. And

21:23

I would just be so upset if that

21:25

like, I don't wanna coverse you into, like, marriage with

21:27

me. I don't wanna try to guide

21:29

you there and sheep dog your way into a

21:31

ring. Like, it's crazy. No. I think

21:33

you should never force

21:37

every story I've ever heard

21:39

of a woman convincing

21:41

a man to proposed to her

21:43

--

21:43

Yeah. -- has ended up

21:45

in a miserable marriage

21:47

or a divorce or an

21:49

engagement breaking off. Anyone

21:51

got left at the altar. Like, ever since sex in the

21:53

city and movie, I'm just like, you

21:54

can't cool. I think that happens anymore, but I

21:57

do have a friend who recently broke

21:59

off. An engagement -- Yeah. -- like,

22:01

two weeks before the wedding. And, like, shit.

22:03

This shit, like, you know, you

22:05

you both have to not

22:08

only, like, want to spend your

22:10

life together, but be so excited about

22:12

it and really, like, be jumping in

22:14

head first. Yeah. And I do

22:16

wonder too because it seems

22:18

like there wasn't a lot of

22:20

pushing at least for Christian to get this

22:22

done, but his other friends were. So

22:24

I find that surprising too because I

22:26

have heard of celebrity relationships where

22:28

they're like, oh yeah, or you even hear of

22:30

celebrities planting stories where

22:34

they'll go out and, like, a tabloid will say,

22:37

Sophie, I heard of this with Sophie Turner and Joe

22:39

Jonas.

22:39

Like, Sophie Turner, like,

22:41

was she out with another man or doing

22:44

this? And they say that allegedly PR

22:46

people will leak that to the tabloids, so

22:48

then that way Joe Jonas reads it and goes, oh shit, I have to lock

22:50

her down and marry her. So

22:53

apparently, in Hollywood, you

22:55

don't like ask your friends to pressure someone, you

22:57

just leak it to us

22:57

weekly. Wait. That's so interesting.

23:00

I never heard of that before. Say that

23:02

allegedly, celebrities will do that with babies

23:05

too. Where it'll be, like, baby bump.

23:07

And there's no baby bump, but they're, like, I wanna

23:09

get pregnant. So, like, let's leakless and

23:11

have the husband see it. But

23:13

why but how would that make the husband then

23:15

want Because then maybe he'd be like, oh, I

23:17

do want a little baby. I mean, I think

23:19

it would just be so toxic that they didn't

23:21

talk about that before. That took

23:23

a story saying baby bomb question

23:25

mark for him to discuss children with her,

23:27

like Hollywood baby. Wow.

23:31

Okay. So they end up having their first child

23:33

together baby bump in two thousand and

23:35

thirteen. They end

23:37

up So they proposed, but they were one

23:39

of those couples that waited to get married

23:41

until after same sex marriage, which I

23:43

don't know what you think about that. I think it's

23:46

a good Obviously, your heart is in the right place, but then I just

23:48

think it's hard enough to find a

23:50

wedding venue and now you're competing with the

23:52

LGBTQ community. No,

23:54

dude. Now, knowing to ax a little

23:56

bit more. I think that was his excuse

23:58

because he hates monogamy. Yeah. He was like,

24:00

oh, he just wanted to seem like a good

24:02

person. You know, he's like, oh, I wanna wait to, like,

24:04

all cancer is cured. You know?

24:06

And it's like, no, you really just

24:08

don't wanna be with this

24:10

woman. Like, you really are just dragging

24:12

your feet so that you could keep doing whatever

24:14

the fuck you want and not have a ring

24:16

on your finger, which that's a whole other

24:18

story with this I can ring tattoo. Okay. Can

24:20

we get into it? So he doesn't have an

24:22

actual ring on his finger. He

24:24

has a bell tattoo to

24:26

on his ring finger, I guess, for

24:28

Kristen Bell. But I always find that

24:30

so suspicious too when guys are like,

24:32

I'm just not a ring person.

24:35

Okay, will you become one? Yeah.

24:37

Like, you have to wear it. Mhmm. You

24:39

must be honest. Like, if you wanna get

24:41

married, then you wear a ring.

24:43

Like, that's just part of it. If I have

24:45

to wear a fucking ring, guess what? You're

24:47

wearing one too. Yeah.

24:49

So I just find that really. I mean, I do think it's

24:51

cute that I got a bell, I

24:54

guess, because it is Kristen Bell.

24:57

But I don't For I not. It just is

24:59

very him. Like, it's

25:01

very very him. They also had a very

25:03

low key wedding. It

25:05

costs one hundred and forty two dollars.

25:07

She wore all black and

25:09

obviously he got the

25:12

bell tattoo. They end up

25:14

having their second daughter. In two thousand and fifteen,

25:16

they kind of start talking about their decision

25:18

to go to couples therapy.

25:20

So this quote was interesting. She says,

25:22

our relationship wasn't perfect. We had a couple years

25:24

of fighting and of growing pains and

25:26

hating each other than loving each

25:28

other. Then going to couples therapy

25:30

and we worked it out. We earned each

25:33

other. I do think couples therapy

25:35

is really helpful for people. I think

25:37

therapy in general. Like, you you just get to

25:39

access and analyze and look at

25:41

situations and ways you wouldn't. But when she says,

25:43

we had a couple years of

25:45

fighting, growing pains, and hating each other. A couple

25:48

years of

25:48

that. That's a long time to fight and hate

25:51

each other. Yeah.

25:53

I wonder if it was,

25:56

like, on and off. Yeah. Like, I

25:58

wonder if it was just a few months out of

26:00

those years, But I recently heard Michelle Obama

26:02

talk about how she hated Barack for, like,

26:04

ten years of their marriage.

26:06

And you know what? Like, that

26:08

that did that's like

26:10

the discharge thing. It's like, wait, is this normal? And and

26:12

I think so many people related to

26:15

that that I

26:17

will give Kristen and DAX

26:18

that. Maybe it was just there,

26:20

like, you know, Michelle

26:23

and Barak years. Yeah.

26:25

But I did I don't know if we

26:28

pass this or if it's later on. But what

26:30

he said about having only

26:32

one kid oh my god.

26:34

Wait. I think he talked about it

26:37

later, like, many years later, but let

26:39

me find that because -- Yeah. -- we already

26:41

got their two kids. I hated that. I was awesome.

26:43

Because after you said then they had another kid, I

26:45

was like, wait, I thought it was only one what he had No.

26:47

So they do have two kids. And

26:49

I think it wasn't. I feel like sometimes

26:51

Dax has these asinine quotes that

26:53

he just, like, waits until the new cycle

26:56

hasn't talked about him for a bit. And then he's like, let me say the shitty

26:58

thing about my second kid that happened, like, ten

27:00

years ago. Yeah. Okay.

27:02

This was it. In twenty twenty

27:05

two, during an appearance on the endless

27:07

honeymoon podcast, Shepherd

27:09

shared that he and Bell did not want a second

27:11

child. He went on to explain that they were

27:13

content and so full after having their

27:15

eldest daughter of Lincoln, but felt

27:17

guilty that she wouldn't have someone to pile around

27:19

with, quote, we travel a lot not

27:21

fair to bring this little human everywhere we

27:23

go and deal with only

27:24

adults. We owe it to her to give her a

27:26

playmate that travels with us. We love

27:28

her enough to do something we don't

27:30

really wanna do, which is have

27:33

a second, because we were so

27:35

absolutely happy with just the

27:37

one. Okay. Like, I'm the

27:39

second child. I would

27:40

run away from home if my

27:41

parents If first

27:43

of all, I know that I

27:45

wasn't I was actually, like, an accident,

27:47

like, a surprise. Oh, did you ask

27:49

your parents or did they No. They told me.

27:51

But in a very in a

27:54

way more kind way than he I'm

27:56

sure the second child is finding out through

27:58

this or will find out through this --

27:59

Yeah. -- years later

28:00

when she does some googling. And

28:03

That would break my heart. I mean, it's one thing to

28:05

say, like, we didn't want one, but then

28:07

we had one and what a joy, which

28:09

is kind of how my parents told

28:12

me. Yeah. Not to be

28:14

like, we loved your

28:16

sister so much. She was good. Like, we were

28:18

good with her, but then we were like,

28:20

she needs, like, a little little bitch to play with,

28:22

like, a little playmate, little

28:24

little something. So we just had

28:26

we had you, you know, it's like,

28:28

oh, I'm just like an extension of

28:31

the child that you really loved, but you don't

28:33

actually love me nor did you want me.

28:35

Like, that's gonna put your second child

28:37

in therapy for the rest of their lives. Yes.

28:39

And it's also like first

28:41

of all, the the logic they're using

28:43

is kinda shitting on only children anywhere

28:46

because they're, like, like, off or bed. Like, we had an

28:48

only child. And then this quote of, we love her

28:50

enough to do something we don't really

28:52

wanna do. That's like that's

28:54

how he feels about Kristen and Meredith.

28:56

And it's to me, that's just, like, I

28:58

like, I'm I'm scared of

29:01

boats, but I'll go on a kayak with you

29:03

because you really wanna do it. Not like we're

29:05

gonna bring another life into this world and we

29:07

don't wanna do it. Right. Exactly. And I

29:08

think what's even more bizarre is

29:11

that

29:11

Maybe one day I would do something

29:13

like this. Like, let's say, maybe I have a third kid

29:15

and I don't want to, but I do.

29:18

You would never get that confession out of me. I would take it

29:20

to the grave. Of course. And maybe after

29:22

like seven martinis, I would like tell my best

29:25

friend I would never say it on a podcast. Like, no. It'll be to

29:27

lie sometimes, you know.

29:28

Yeah. I just don't think DAX really understands

29:31

that. No. So and I would love to

29:33

know, like, what the person asked him that

29:35

prompted that response.

29:37

I think nothing. I think sometimes, DAX

29:39

is he's just a have you listened

29:42

podcast. Yes. I have. I have, like, some

29:44

episodes. Yeah. What do you think of his stuff? I

29:46

have, like,

29:46

some episodes. And then some, I'm, like, no.

29:51

He just is I

29:53

have this working theory, and

29:55

this is like just my own kind

29:57

of conspiracy theory here.

29:59

I think that he got Kristen

30:02

Bell super into self

30:04

improvement because you know how they're both still into

30:06

self improvement because

30:08

he knows that she is kind of the

30:10

winner. She's bigger than

30:12

him. She's got a better name. Everyone says

30:14

that she's basically the better person

30:16

in the relationship. So if you

30:18

get her really into self help and underneath this

30:20

mental model that you're never enough, you

30:22

can always be improving.

30:25

There's always another level to reach. You should always be

30:27

reaching for that. I feel like they do almost

30:30

toxic self help and self improvement,

30:32

where it's like Christian, you're never good

30:34

enough. You could always work on this and work on that. Like, I don't think

30:36

DAX has ever looked at her in the eyes and said,

30:38

like, I love you

30:39

for who you are and, like, you're perfect in

30:41

content, and I love you flaws and all.

30:43

I also, one hundred percent agree. And

30:46

I also think that there is

30:49

a fine line between I

30:51

love you as you are, and

30:53

you need to fix this thing. And I don't

30:55

think that you should have married somebody

30:57

that you wanna fix so much. Mhmm.

30:59

And like, I, you

31:01

know, I dated a ton of people before my husband and

31:03

there was always something I wanted to fix about them

31:05

until I met my husband and I don't I

31:07

literally do not want to fix anything about

31:09

him. Like, do I want him to get better

31:11

with age, of course? Like, we all do,

31:13

you know. Do I wish he was,

31:15

like, stronger in certain areas? Sure. But,

31:18

like, I don't wanna fix who he is. I don't wanna change

31:20

his personality. I don't wanna do any of that.

31:22

And I think that

31:25

like, comes through a lot in how he treats

31:28

Kristen. And I also think that on that same

31:30

note of, like, spirituality and

31:32

toxicity or or self help and all

31:34

that stuff, the way that their

31:36

fight started, the one that they told us

31:38

about in detail. Oh, yes. Yeah. Let's get

31:40

into that. This was really

31:41

and it was also very relatable because I will

31:44

say, like, found them so annoying,

31:46

but then when I

31:48

listened to their podcast, yes,

31:50

they were fighting on the podcast and they were sniffing

31:52

at each other. But it almost felt like ASMR and me.

31:54

It was so relaxing to listen to two

31:56

people bicker. And I don't know why maybe that's

31:58

because Kristen Bell has a very soothing voice,

32:01

but I didn't

32:03

find their actual fighting

32:06

annoying. Like, I listened to so many people on Reddit

32:08

were like it's so uncomfortable how much

32:10

they fight I listened to it, and I was like, this is just bickering that

32:12

like everybody does. It's not a big deal. But

32:14

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32:15

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33:35

quarantine. Kristen Bell says

33:37

that they had been at each other's

33:39

throats real bad and DAX left the

33:41

chat early saying quote America's

33:43

sweetheart has some character defects. Would you

33:46

just know he was working on that as a

33:48

line? Like, I don't think that improv came out of

33:50

his mouth. I think he was like

33:52

stewing on it and writing, like, little quickie insults

33:54

about her in his

33:54

journal. No. I think that really came out.

33:57

I really do. I think that,

33:59

like, he has

34:01

so much resentment to her

34:03

for being considered America's sweetheart -- Yeah.

34:05

-- whereas he's considered, like,

34:08

a dirt bag, like, alcoholic,

34:10

idiot with, like, a podcast? Like,

34:12

what has he done other? Like, I'm

34:14

one movie and, like, punk. You know

34:17

what I mean? Like, I think he's

34:19

so much jealousy, like, about her career,

34:22

about how her she's

34:24

perceived by America

34:26

that he

34:28

that's not the first time he's called her America sweetheart in a fight. That's for

34:30

a fucking sure. Oh, I

34:32

agree with you. Like, you you said it

34:34

very confidently and he has said that

34:37

so many times

34:37

before, like, little miss sunshine or America's, but which

34:40

first of all is very condescending. Again,

34:42

condescending and also character defects is

34:44

a huge a

34:46

sobriety, alcoholics anonymous

34:48

terminology. Oh. And he drops

34:50

a lot of terminology on his podcast

34:53

often about it. And

34:56

character defects is actually something that

34:58

you as the alcoholic are supposed

35:00

to be working on is your

35:02

own character defects. So that's why it's so like at

35:04

her. Exactly. So that's

35:05

why it's so top of mind to him to use

35:07

that phrase. God. Interesting. Okay. This

35:10

is some good insight here. Well, I pulled up

35:12

a quote from when

35:14

they said

35:14

this, it was twenty twenty. This was a coat

35:16

from two thousand and seventeen. And,

35:18

Chris, they were talking about this. Kristen

35:21

Bell said if you have for the other person, if you

35:23

roll your eyes or disregard something, they said

35:25

your relationship will play out. You might as well get

35:27

out of it now. And then

35:29

Dash Shepherd said in two thousand and

35:32

fifteen, I said to Christian, we should

35:34

try hard to police ourselves about becoming

35:36

contemptuous of each other. If I ever see you

35:38

roll your eyes at me, we need to hit pause

35:40

and figure out what's going on. And of course,

35:42

like the advice you give, you're not

35:44

gonna follow it by the book every day, but I

35:46

find it. So bizarre

35:48

and frustrating that somebody would give advice

35:50

saying, don't become contemptuous

35:52

of the other. And it's just

35:54

obvious that that's how you are with your

35:55

partner. Like, everybody see it. Right. It's true. I

35:58

think the way that they got

36:00

into their

36:02

fight really fucking

36:06

pissed me off. I think he said she'd

36:08

asked him to do some kind of chore.

36:10

Yes. So this was the blackout fight.

36:12

She said we had an incredible fight. Top

36:14

it along screaming.

36:16

Basically oh my god.

36:18

This made me so upset. So we'll talk about what

36:20

happened afterwards, but the reason for the fight we

36:23

finally find out She wanted him to do a few chores on

36:25

a Sunday to help out while she was gone. She said it

36:27

was about things around the house I needed help with.

36:29

We have this relationship where you were supposed to be

36:31

able to say I need

36:33

your help with this. I left a note and I was like, hey, dad, would

36:35

you mind taking the two towels and the dryer and folding

36:37

them? And then like one other thing, I thought

36:39

that's ten minutes of work. At

36:41

that point, the house was getting to be a lot for me,

36:43

the keeping up with the mom's stuff, the shoes

36:46

being outgrown, I'm the one ordering that,

36:48

whatever. He

36:50

goes when you leave me notes, I feel really controlled and

36:52

he launched into how he felt about it.

36:54

Okay. What do you think

36:57

that is that fucking pisses me

37:00

off. So okay.

37:02

And we'll talk about how she communicated it,

37:04

but I can imagine that Kristen is

37:06

scared of this man. And

37:08

leaving him a note

37:11

is like a gentle way.

37:13

Is a gentle way? Is is

37:15

honestly what she probably thinks is

37:17

like a protective

37:20

like protecting herself from

37:23

getting verbally abused if she's, like, says to him, you know, face

37:25

to face, DAXI need you to do this. He

37:28

probably launches it. Or you fucking hear me? I'm

37:30

not doing this. Whatever.

37:32

You know?

37:34

And so she's, like, let me leave him this, like, cute little note with

37:36

hearts, you know Look like a spoon feed,

37:38

like, yeah. Let me spoon feed this

37:41

to him. Like, maybe he'll be

37:43

sweet and do it. And he

37:46

comes up with some

37:49

fucking self improvement bullshit.

37:52

When you tell me what to

37:54

do, I'm not okay with it. You know? When

37:56

you leave me notes, I feel really controlled. When

37:58

you leave me notes, I feel really

38:00

controlled. Okay. Cool.

38:04

Like, you're in a marriage -- Yeah.

38:06

-- that takes two people to do

38:08

chores, to do things, to blah blah blah.

38:10

Like, that would

38:11

be, like, if

38:12

you were, like, Lindsay, can you

38:13

pay your taxes?

38:14

And I was, like, you know what?

38:16

When you

38:16

asked me to pay my taxes, I

38:20

feel really overwhelmed. It's like, yeah. Obviously, you fucking

38:23

do. You know? Nobody wants to be

38:25

told what to do. Yeah. You're

38:27

not special decks. Like, fold the

38:29

fucking towels -- Yeah. -- for your

38:31

bread wetting wipe and shut the fuck up.

38:33

And you ask like, that's the thing

38:35

too. Right? Like, I feel really

38:38

controlled. Yeah. Because I was

38:40

controlling you for one percent of

38:42

two seconds. You know, like, was I control was I controlling what you wear, what you eat,

38:44

who you go out to, who you see, then we can

38:46

talk about that and you can give me this label

38:49

of being controlling But

38:51

me saying can you fold two fucking towels? It's like

38:54

that's not controlling. And

38:56

also, obviously, it just

38:58

gets into whole idea of the mental

39:00

load and how women are always taking on more in

39:02

the relationship around the house. You know

39:04

Dax isn't ordering shoes for the

39:06

kids and doing all of this shit around

39:08

the And cooking macaroni and cheese and blah blah blah and she asked him

39:10

to do the tiniest thing and

39:11

he, like, freaks out over it. And it also goes

39:13

back to his trauma of

39:16

hating monogamy. And so he's, like, almost using this against

39:18

her. Like, you know that, like, you

39:20

better be the cool girl, otherwise, can't

39:22

control Acme.

39:24

Otherwise, this marriage isn't gonna

39:26

work because I'm gonna wanna step out and

39:28

be non monogamous again. Yeah.

39:30

So you better watch your

39:33

tone because you know, where one one

39:36

posted note away from me

39:38

straying with with all

39:39

these, you know, it's like it's

39:41

a threat. If I was her, I

39:43

would have done a collab with one of

39:45

those prank channels and, like, covered his car with

39:47

Post It's the next

39:48

day. Oh, full of sudden on fire and then, like,

39:50

fuck you. Yeah. But I think I think, you know, I almost, like, got the chills

39:52

when we like, I think she's scared of him.

39:55

And that really that really

39:58

concerns me. I was also see,

40:00

I was thinking which I agree with

40:02

you, and I think that's what it is. But part of me

40:04

was going, I wonder if she left him a note because

40:06

it's one of those things with the guy where you're like,

40:08

you take out trash. Take out the trash. Take out the

40:10

trash. And then finally, you're like, I'm gonna email him

40:12

to take out the trash. So there's a

40:14

paper trail that I asked him rather than

40:16

him being like you never asked me to take out the trash. Yeah. I I hear

40:18

that. I also I also wonder, do you think

40:20

that she is the breadwinner there? Oh, yeah.

40:23

I think she makes money,

40:26

because she has that Disney money too. She's never

40:28

exactly frozen. Yeah. I think

40:30

that that is a

40:32

huge issue in their relationship. And a lot of Yes.

40:34

-- heterosexual relationships where the

40:36

woman is the breadwinner. So a few

40:38

celebrities have talked about that. Beyonce has

40:40

talked about it. Lena Dunham have talked

40:43

about it. Do you think that it's

40:45

possible for a guy? Do you think it takes a

40:47

certain type of guy? Do you think that there can never

40:49

be a relationship where the woman

40:51

is the

40:52

breadwinner? I just think that it

40:54

because of society and,

40:56

you know, just the

41:00

way that male

41:02

and female relationship dynamics

41:04

work. I think it

41:08

works best if the man for the for the man's

41:10

confidence, for the man's

41:12

sexuality, like, for every for

41:14

a healthy sex life, for everything,

41:17

it works better when the man

41:20

feels like he's the

41:22

man. And is that in

41:24

terms of breadwinner, is that

41:26

both making the same salary, but, like That's

41:28

okay. Okay. Yeah. That's okay. I

41:30

think it's just when there's a big

41:34

discrepancy. It creates a

41:36

ton of resentment. I have so many women

41:38

friends who have gotten divorced over

41:40

it, over them being the breadwinner. What?

41:42

And how does that? Because I feel something where

41:44

a guy would never come out and say, I feel insecure that you make more

41:46

money than -- Oh, no. -- instead, I feel like they

41:48

would just be a total to coward

41:50

and cheat on you. Try to

41:52

get their masculinity that

41:53

way. Mhmm. Or, I don't

41:54

know, start to, like, put you down and, like, withdraw

41:56

love. Cheed on you, withdraw love.

42:00

I think also just

42:02

like become a lazy piece of shit.

42:04

Yeah. Not fold the towels around the house. Because

42:06

there's a difference, like, when when the woman

42:08

doesn't work and the man works, Yeah. The

42:10

woman feels because we feel like this as

42:11

women, like, we have to do something for these

42:14

men. Right? Like, we

42:16

have

42:16

to you know, keep the home nice and

42:18

be domestic and take care of the kids. And

42:20

when a man doesn't work and the

42:22

woman is doing all the

42:24

things, It's like does

42:26

nothing. Yeah. He does

42:27

nothing to almost like in rebellion because

42:30

he doesn't feel like he has to. He's like,

42:32

oh, well, she's doing it all anyway. Like,

42:34

you know, what you know, it's he

42:36

just, like, feel sorry for himself. So what

42:38

do you let's say you're a high

42:40

powered woman out there. Oh my god. Have

42:42

you seen that episode of Sex in the City where

42:44

Miranda Hobbs

42:45

lies and says that she's a stewardess rather

42:47

than a lawyer?

42:48

I definitely have because I've seen every

42:50

episode, but -- Yeah. Yeah.

42:51

-- and, like, it's on a speed dating thing. And

42:53

all of a sudden, all these guys start being like,

42:55

wait, you're stewarded. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

42:57

And half of it is, like, that's a sexy

42:59

job, and then the other half is they don't

43:01

want someone more high powered than them.

43:03

So -- Mhmm. How do you think high powered women are supposed to

43:05

do? Do you just try to date a

43:08

precedent? I

43:08

mean, there's something above. There's

43:12

always someone -- Yeah. -- above you in a way. But then also,

43:14

like, just find someone

43:18

who's extremely happy with who

43:20

they are and what they do. Yeah.

43:22

And is equally

43:24

as ambitious if not more. I also

43:26

think too if you're in the same

43:28

industry. I have a friend who, like, something happened with her,

43:30

with the guy she was seen, and he was just kind

43:32

of a dick. And they're both kind of in the

43:35

influencer space, and she's

43:37

way more sick successful than him. And I feel like that

43:39

is a thing too. Like, I don't know -- Yeah. -- you and me,

43:41

but, like, I've dated guys. And if I have a booming

43:44

podcast, they're like, oh, what

43:46

do I like, on the finance, you know. Exactly. As a different Right.

43:48

Right. No. You should never date someone in your

43:50

same industry. Yeah. It really does

43:52

not work out and you should never mix business

43:56

and pleasure. Now do you think I always think the guy, unlike the

43:58

guy should make more money, be a

44:00

little bit older, a little bit taller,

44:02

and I think the girl has to be better looking. What do

44:04

you think?

44:06

Interesting. I feel like they always are.

44:08

Like, they just They usually are. You're right.

44:10

I think it's less about the girl

44:12

being a little bit better looking.

44:16

Because there's so much to being good

44:18

looking in in the sense. Right? Like, the girl

44:20

could have the better personality and,

44:22

like, be almost as, like, on the

44:24

same level. I think it's more like the guy just has to love girl

44:26

a little bit more. And so

44:28

whatever that means, maybe it's

44:32

because she's better looking? Maybe it's because she works the room better, whatever

44:34

it is. Yeah. There has to

44:36

be, like, guys, heterosexual

44:40

men for better or worse,

44:42

they need to they want to have to

44:44

find someone that they feel like is out of their league a

44:46

little bit. Yeah. But I feel like girls are

44:48

supposed to do that basically, everybody's just, like, reaching

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46:29

think the best case scenario is that you are so lucky to

46:31

be with them and they are so lucky to be

46:33

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46:36

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46:38

to Jackson. Kristen, basically, after they

46:40

fought about this, they blacked

46:42

out. Okay? She said that they

46:44

both blacked out. They got into

46:46

a fight. It was a lot of

46:48

volume, harsh words being thrown around, an

46:50

angry fight. She grabbed her pillow, stomped

46:52

down the hall, and slept in the front room, and

46:54

was crying, and they

46:56

didn't talk for three days. Okay. The didn't talk

46:58

for three days is the

47:00

craziest thing I have ever heard. How

47:02

long would you

47:04

say, hey, you can do a silent treatment for and still be a reasonable An

47:06

hour? An hour. Like,

47:08

we also talk. We're people who talk. Yeah.

47:12

So, like, ten minutes.

47:14

Oh, if I like, you can tell I'm

47:16

moody if I haven't talked for ten minutes.

47:18

Exactly. Exactly. But

47:20

I think they're not talking for three days is crazy. It is toxic. I

47:22

actually

47:23

my grandpa and

47:24

my grandma who

47:25

is not with us anymore, but they used

47:27

to have those kinds

47:30

of fights. Where

47:30

they would have a fight and then go three days without talking. Did I

47:32

witness them or just No. No. They would they've

47:35

told us, like, all these stories are

47:37

passed down, you know. And my mom

47:39

would tell me about it and my grandpa who's still alive has told me about

47:41

it. And it's the craziest thing. And I'm

47:43

like, why? Like, why would you

47:45

do that? And It was just

47:47

like ego, honestly. Like It's

47:50

so it's so no. It is. It is.

47:52

And and at the end of the day, like, you

47:54

can't be in a successful relationship when your ego's

47:56

in that relationship too? You can't. I I think everyone

47:59

has, like, the one thing to work on

48:01

in relationships. And that's mine.

48:04

Silent treatments and, like, being moody. And, like, and every

48:06

girl does that where they're, like, what's wrong and you're,

48:08

like, nothing. But you say it was such

48:11

venom that it's like, okay. Like

48:13

something's obviously wrong. And it does

48:16

you really have to, like, look at yourself outside

48:18

of yourself and be like, I'm just gonna white

48:20

knuckle through this and be like, I actually didn't like how,

48:22

like, you said this. It, like, made me feel like I was ugly.

48:24

And you feel so vulnerable, but then the problem's

48:26

gone. Exactly. Yeah.

48:27

There's nothing better

48:30

than

48:30

that. Like, satisfaction of actually saying how you feel I'm being

48:32

heard, it's worth the vulnerability.

48:34

Yeah. So if we had

48:36

to and this is all speculation,

48:39

who would you say ended the Silent Treatment? I would

48:42

say DAX did it

48:44

trying to appear like he was the bigger person, but

48:46

he just wanted to do it so in that way

48:48

he could say, I ended the silent treatment and you

48:50

were being such a child about it. Maybe,

48:52

I mean, I don't know. I

48:55

in this like, I just feel like

48:57

Kristen is such a victim in their

48:59

relationship that, like, I'm gonna

49:02

say Kristen ended it because she, like, made

49:04

him breakfast. But who

49:06

knows? That's good.

49:08

I would I would agree with that too.

49:11

So oh, So this was

49:13

a recent interview too. They were talking about a time that

49:16

DAX was helping Kristen drink

49:18

breastfeeding. She had a clogged milk doc

49:20

or, like, It was infection of the

49:22

breast tissue and basically he had to help her

49:24

with it. And I will

49:26

say, they both said

49:28

in this interview And it was within the past

49:30

couple of months where they were, like, however we

49:32

answer because they were asked about that. I know

49:34

for the next three months we're gonna be in the

49:36

new cycle, which is, like, fine blah

49:38

blah blah. After kind of hearing about their history and what we know

49:40

about them, do you think they

49:42

get unfairly clipped? Do you

49:44

think that this is

49:46

an accurate kind of peek into

49:48

their relationship. And if you were

49:50

them, what would you do to kind of like change

49:52

how the public views

49:54

you? I think that with

49:56

great power comes great responsibility

49:58

and the fact that they share

50:00

so openly about their relationship is

50:02

gonna get so much heat. Because

50:05

they're being so open, because

50:08

they do have flaws and fights

50:10

and things

50:12

like that. I think that, you know, we don't know what happened with Brad and

50:14

Angelina. Like, if we knew

50:16

more, like, we'd be talking about it more, we'd

50:18

hate one of

50:20

them more. You know, so I think it's just because they're so open, they

50:22

get so much shit.

50:24

But at the same time, I do believe that

50:26

there's a lot of toxicity in their relationship.

50:29

Is there toxicity in most relationships

50:32

probably? Mhmm. You think,

50:34

like, this level of toxicity.

50:36

Not this level, I think where there's at

50:39

least one fight that

50:41

everyone has had in

50:43

their relationship that they don't feel comfortable sharing with

50:46

their friends. Yeah. You haven't had that

50:48

one yet? We had that

50:50

one, but I think it's I think that

50:52

I'm being dramatic. Yeah. Do you know what I'm

50:54

saying? Like, I think if I told my

50:55

friends, he'd be like, oh, he know he didn't mean

50:57

that. You know? Yeah. But,

50:58

like, I'm like, oh, I would never tell

51:01

them because And that's actually remind me after this. That's

51:03

a good poll question to ask. Yeah. That is

51:05

a good one. There's also I feel like guys and

51:07

girls are different where sometimes they'll be like, oh my god. Like,

51:09

we just had a fight.

51:11

And a boyfriend of mine will be like, what do you talk? Like, we had

51:13

a discussion. And I was like, oh, yeah. I was like a fight.

51:15

That was like a blowout fight. He's like and

51:17

we, like, we talked and we disagreed, but we got

51:19

over it. So I was your perception is

51:21

different. Right. Right. Now how familiar are you with

51:23

line items? Oh, I loved that you added this

51:25

at the end. I used to be obsessed with

51:28

Endy L'Oreal,

51:30

like, Yes. Okay. SaaS. It was, like, my it was one of,

51:32

like, the first Instagram accounts.

51:34

Or no no, blogs. Full

51:36

on and it's dot net

51:39

crazy days of next time. Yeah. It's not on dot

51:41

com. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I've been I've

51:43

been into Endy for quite a while, but

51:45

I haven't but because Dumont exists

51:47

now. Like, I don't really read n

51:49

g anymore. Really? Okay. Well, I'm blocked

51:51

by Dumont, so I still read n g.

51:53

That's why. I

51:57

Okay. It is a little bit of a conspiracy theory,

51:59

but I think it's true. I

52:02

think that Dumont works with p r

52:04

companies, and I think it's a good move. I would do it too if I almost two million

52:07

Instagram followers where you basically

52:10

put out PR

52:12

fluff pieces and you say that it's a blind item, but it's

52:14

not. Like, nobody wrote it into you. The person

52:16

who wrote it into you was like, Timothy

52:20

PR person. Mhmm. And I think it's obvious because so

52:22

many of the submissions will say,

52:24

oh my god, I just saw

52:27

Selina Gomez and the guy from the chain smokers,

52:29

and they look like they were very much in love.

52:31

And to me, that's a clear PR statement.

52:33

If you actually go to Google, and with

52:35

quotes around it, you type in very much

52:37

in love. The only thing you know, like, I'll do

52:39

it right now. The only thing that

52:42

comes up are different news articles about

52:44

celebrities. Very much in love like

52:46

Taylor Swift, very much in love,

52:48

any sort

52:50

of newer relationship. Yeah. Who speaks like that? I'd never say very much

52:52

in love. Never. I would be like, oh my

52:54

god. They were like so hot for each other. They looked

52:56

good together. They were all

52:58

over each other. Yeah. But there

53:00

are so many different sightings. And

53:02

maybe do not you know, maybe these

53:04

PR people are pretending

53:06

to be individuals on the street and sending it in, but it got to the

53:08

point where I read enough of this that I was

53:10

like, these aren't even

53:12

blind items. This is like

53:14

PR for an upcoming makeup campaign that's

53:16

about to happen, but it's taught it's like

53:18

written about salaciously or

53:20

it's someone being very much and love,

53:22

which to me is just giving people magazine. And then I made a

53:24

TikTok and I got blocked. But

53:26

I I see both sides. Yeah.

53:29

I mean, I was talking shit. I think you're allowed to

53:32

block anyone. But now I'm

53:34

like, it's only antifurm me now. I

53:36

have to get there. Yeah. Jeezy Jeezy Veezy Veezy Veezy

53:38

somewhere else. So what made you

53:40

stop watching n t or listening? I

53:42

just I just kinda

53:44

stopped. To be honest with you, I I

53:46

don't even redo more that much anymore

53:48

because I am so, like, overwhelmed

53:50

with creating content that I don't

53:52

consume as much anymore. Yeah. It

53:54

gets really hard.

53:56

And also there's, like, always a then out --

53:58

Mhmm. -- we do have some blinds about Kristen

54:00

Bell and Jack Shepherd. A

54:04

lot of the blind items are basically saying just to summarize

54:06

them and I'll throw and allegedly in here

54:08

because these are blind items. He's been cheating on

54:10

her for years in the blind's items.

54:14

I mean, it checks out, the

54:16

not the hating monogamy. It checks

54:18

out, but then it just makes me so mad because I

54:20

feel like DAX does try to position himself

54:24

as like, super husband

54:24

and, like, super father. Yeah. And, like, I

54:26

am the relationship guru. And it's like, you can't

54:28

have the title of relationship guru and also be

54:31

cheating on your wife allegedly.

54:33

Well, I think I don't I don't know if

54:35

I wanna go down this slippery slope

54:38

and get so much heat, but like Just

54:40

say, allegedly,

54:42

he Allegedly.

54:44

He has relapsed a

54:46

lot of times. And Yeah. He's spoken

54:48

about it. And he's spoken about it. And

54:50

I understand that it's it's really hard

54:52

for addicts and I have there's nothing that I have to say against

54:55

relapse because it is a

54:57

disease. Yeah. But

55:00

it is possible that if he has been unable

55:02

to stick with that, he's been unable to stick

55:04

with monogamy. You know, like, there might be

55:07

patterns in his life. Your

55:09

times of overlap where we we were

55:12

doing an episode about

55:14

celebrities and talking about their sex addiction.

55:17

And a lot of them were saying,

55:19

I think, Jada Pinkett

55:21

Smith and maybe even James Franco

55:23

too were saying, that they struggled

55:25

with substances and sex addiction, but when they

55:28

were giving in to their sex addiction or I don't

55:30

know the proper terminology, they

55:32

were sober. You

55:34

know -- Exactly. -- it's a it's a transfer of addictions.

55:36

And what they say, it's a cross

55:38

addiction is what it's called. And For

55:41

example, like my addiction was weed and

55:43

when I got sober, it was

55:46

recommended to not drink

55:48

either because when you give up one

55:50

thing, you go to the neck,

55:52

like, you put everything in the other thing. So,

55:54

like, if I were to stop

55:56

smoking, but I was still drinking, I would

55:58

up my alcohol intake. And then

56:00

if I drop alcohol, I'm

56:02

now addicted to shopping online, which by

56:04

the way I am. Yeah. But at least I'm aware

56:06

of it. And then if I didn't shop online,

56:08

I would be at to working out. You know,

56:10

it's like, it's a cross addiction thing. So

56:12

it's very possible that it

56:14

has transferred itself. Yeah.

56:16

Do you think that that idea

56:18

of, like, how into self improvement they are could be something like

56:21

that. I just wonder I feel like self

56:23

improvement is, like, goal reaching and it's

56:25

dopamine and it's always driving

56:27

for something. There's never like, there's always another level.

56:29

I guess sometimes, like, a little bit sinister

56:32

about the self

56:34

help industry. But I just feel like DAX is always talking about, like, what to

56:36

do next or what you should do or what you should be

56:38

doing, and it's kind of this idea of not

56:40

really feeling settled, I

56:42

guess. Yeah, I think

56:44

I I think

56:46

that that's yeah,

56:48

there is toxicity in the self help

56:51

thing. Like, the toxic

56:54

positivity, I think he,

56:56

like, leans into that but, like, use it as

56:59

a weapon in a lot of ways. Mhmm. Like, when people

57:01

say that they're being brutally honest or they

57:03

have radical candor and they have Exactly. Radical

57:05

candor is that you look like shit.

57:07

And it's like, we'll fuck you. Like,

57:09

I saw I I do dating

57:11

profile consultations, and I was doing one the

57:13

other day. And this guy had on

57:15

his hinge profile I'm the type

57:17

of guy who or, like, I'm the type of person who, and he wrote will

57:20

tell you that outfit looks like shit

57:22

on you. I've

57:24

I've probably seen And like, no girl

57:27

wants to be with that guy. That's

57:29

actually called, like, a verbally

57:32

abusive dude. So you're the type of

57:34

guy who is horrific.

57:36

Like -- Yeah. -- why are you do

57:38

you do you think that's a selling point? And

57:40

there's so many wait like, that's

57:42

pretty obvious. But then you have people who are like, I want someone

57:44

who doesn't take themselves so

57:46

seriously, someone who's into dark

57:50

humor, someone who what are the other ones? Like, they I

57:52

feel like there's little warning signs too where

57:54

somebody -- Mhmm. -- like, you can't take yourself

57:58

sit. Well, what does that mean? I don't know. I take myself, like, seriously enough. But

58:00

actually, I'm glad that you brought that up because that reminds

58:02

me of a thought that I wanted to share earlier,

58:04

which is that DAX clearly takes himself

58:06

more seriously than anyone in the world ever has. Yeah.

58:09

And he is the epitome of I

58:11

take myself too seriously. And don't you think

58:13

that if he met himself

58:16

he would hate himself. Of course. It's like he didn't know it was him.

58:18

He would be like, oh, that let's say it wasn't

58:20

DAX. It was a guy named Fax. He would

58:22

feel like that Fax guy is

58:24

so, like, blah blah blah and thought he would, like, ring him out. But I will

58:27

say, like, I think if a lot of us met ourselves, we

58:29

might hate ourselves. And it doesn't have anybody with how

58:31

much we love ourselves. Look up

58:34

with myself. Be like

58:34

-- That's so funny. -- that's so funny. You only get one

58:37

chance. I

58:37

definitely wouldn't date myself. Really?

58:39

Mhmm. Would you

58:42

bang yourself?

58:42

Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I know

58:44

that we're running out of time here. I just wanna

58:46

see if there's any more

58:49

Oh, this was one too. They worked together

58:52

on, like, a business or something.

58:54

They basically collaborated on

58:55

something. Oh, the, like,

58:58

children's diapers business. Yeah. It

59:00

was like something for kids. What do you think

59:02

of partners going into business

59:04

together? Yeah. Absolutely not. Don't make business and

59:06

pleasure. Just don't do it. It

59:08

it ends horribly. What if it's something tiny,

59:09

like, they both want your face on set? Like,

59:11

where do you think that line is? Or do you

59:13

think better not to do anything? Like, what if they said

59:15

to Dex

59:17

and Kristen? We just want you to do a this

59:20

give you five percent. A photo shoot

59:22

is very different than working together

59:24

on a business.

59:26

Mhmm. And or or bringing them into your business to run

59:28

it. Yeah. Those are just

59:30

always bad ideas. Yeah. I feel like

59:32

there's been

59:34

enough crazy stories of, like, you don't wanna work with your best friend, you don't wanna work

59:36

with your roommate, and you don't wanna work with your

59:38

partner. But then people like play devil's

59:41

kid. They're like, yeah, but that person out of all the

59:43

people won't fuck you over. And it's like,

59:45

no, they could. And then, like, not

59:48

only is your life over, but your career

59:50

is also over. This is a Jason, but

59:52

what do you think of momagers? Sometimes

59:54

I'm like your mom would be the best person in

59:56

the world to be your manager

59:58

because it's unconditional love and then other

1:00:00

times I go. I don't know. That could

1:00:02

just be hairy. I think it's the same thing. Like, it's

1:00:04

just too difficult. Like, you can

1:00:06

make it work, but you can't tell

1:00:08

me that lines are not blurred when you go out to dinner with your

1:00:10

mom. Yeah. Unless your mom is Chris

1:00:12

Jenner and then you'd -- Yeah. -- you'd be

1:00:14

stupid not to have

1:00:16

her as Exactly.

1:00:16

I would love for her to be all of our managers.

1:00:18

Okay. This is the last

1:00:20

blind item we'll do here. This b plus

1:00:23

list actor told a friend the

1:00:25

other day same thing he someone else six months ago. He would

1:00:27

be scared to leave his A List actress wife

1:00:29

because of the world of hurt that she would

1:00:31

cause him if he

1:00:34

did

1:00:34

so. So he sticks with it. I saw that and I was so

1:00:36

pissed off at him

1:00:39

once again. He Okay.

1:00:42

What do you think of that? And then I'll tell you what I

1:00:44

think. I do think he says a lot of times

1:00:46

that if they ever broke up,

1:00:48

his reputation would be damaged.

1:00:50

Because like Kristen's so sweet. And it's like, I get that, but also

1:00:52

who do you think gave you the

1:00:54

reputation that you

1:00:55

have? It's you.

1:00:58

For the last -- Yeah. -- ten years. But they're quoting what you say you

1:01:00

are the problem. It's you. Like, all of

1:01:02

these things. So whenever somebody's like, oh,

1:01:04

like, the public, like, would

1:01:06

hate me because their reputation is better than my like, you have the chance

1:01:09

to do a redemption tour. You have a podcast every

1:01:11

week. You can put out whatever narrative

1:01:13

you want about yourself. I

1:01:15

don't know. What do you think?

1:01:16

Yeah. I wonder if he I

1:01:18

don't see that as him talking about

1:01:20

the media with the world of hurt.

1:01:22

I think that it's a personal attack

1:01:25

on Kristen. Like, she would do something vindictive

1:01:27

to ruin his life. Like alimony

1:01:30

wise. Like, I don't know, but I I don't I

1:01:32

didn't like like, when I read that, I was

1:01:34

like, he is is like a it's a character takedown.

1:01:36

Like, where he's like, you don't know

1:01:38

how, like, horrible of a person she really

1:01:40

is. Like,

1:01:42

she's gonna do some,

1:01:44

like, whatever to hurt And and I just

1:01:46

I don't really believe it. I mean,

1:01:48

who knows? Like, maybe maybe the jokes

1:01:50

on us. Maybe DAX is like this Angel

1:01:52

from heaven, and Kristen is a fucking devil. And,

1:01:55

you know, she's got all these

1:01:57

issues. But -- Yeah. --

1:02:00

unless that's the case. I really think that he it's just him,

1:02:02

you know, being mean again. And

1:02:04

I think, you know, no one wants

1:02:08

to get a divorce, but I think that they

1:02:10

should. I think that they would it's

1:02:12

just that I do think a relationship

1:02:14

is work I

1:02:16

marriage. I would assume that's even more work. And when you

1:02:18

have kids into it, yeah, that's like

1:02:20

an assload of work. But I feel like there's

1:02:22

also joy in it, and I just

1:02:24

feel like It's up to them to to

1:02:26

what quotes they give to people and what parts of

1:02:28

their relationship they talk about. And do they

1:02:30

always have to be talking about the rage

1:02:32

fights and

1:02:34

get driving away in your car and the couples therapy because you hated

1:02:36

each other for years. That's all valid,

1:02:39

but like at least balance it out and like tell

1:02:41

me how much you love his smile.

1:02:44

Exactly. Let's say one nice thing. And you know what? Maybe we just haven't googled

1:02:46

the nice things that they've said about each other, and maybe

1:02:48

they're a ton. Promise you I didn't for this episode.

1:02:50

I left them out on them.

1:02:52

I mean, there's some nice stuff, but

1:02:54

it's like it's not as it's

1:02:56

really just honestly not as bad. Right. It's

1:02:58

like I think I saw some Acme, like,

1:03:00

years ago. Where it's, like, making fun of women

1:03:03

on Facebook that are, like, Johnny,

1:03:06

like, everyday is so

1:03:08

hard with you and, like, you know,

1:03:10

sometimes I wanna murder you and

1:03:12

you slept with my sister, so

1:03:14

that was really mean. But I really

1:03:16

love you at the end of the day. Happy birthday. And

1:03:18

it's like, that's, like, the

1:03:20

vibe. Yeah. Like, damn it. It's worth

1:03:22

it, but I you gave me an ulcer in the

1:03:24

community. Exactly. And my hair is

1:03:26

falling out. Like, I

1:03:28

love you. Now just to end, who would you say your favorite celebrity couple

1:03:30

is? I kinda think that they're all rotted,

1:03:32

but Oof.

1:03:33

That's really hard.

1:03:37

I did not come

1:03:40

prepared with that. I I mean, it seems

1:03:42

like Blake Lively and Ryan

1:03:44

Reynolds have a good

1:03:46

thing going. Oh, oh, you know who's my favorite celebrity couple? Yeah. John

1:03:48

Cucinski and Emily Bond.

1:03:50

Oh, okay. Don't listen to our

1:03:52

episode on

1:03:54

the office. No. Well, tell me your tell me your thoughts on those two couples and

1:03:56

then your favorite couple. I thought I also

1:03:58

really love them, but the blind items say that

1:04:00

she cheats on him

1:04:02

a bunch. Damn, girl. Oh. Yeah. Well,

1:04:04

you kinda have to love their breaking stereotypes

1:04:06

and the girl cheating.

1:04:08

For me, it's hard to say

1:04:11

because I do think that everyone is, like, so fucked up. I would

1:04:14

say, like like Ryan Gossling and Ivan

1:04:16

Mendez, like, somebody who has been

1:04:18

married for a while and

1:04:20

you don't hear about them. You don't see them.

1:04:22

Mhmm. They're not really doing stuff. Anyone

1:04:24

who frames themselves is like

1:04:26

b couple, Blake Lively and

1:04:28

Ryan Reynolds with all of their post, which

1:04:30

blind items say they get a team of

1:04:32

copywriters to, like, write their

1:04:34

snarky birthday captions to

1:04:36

each other. I don't know. I just find it

1:04:38

suspicious. Also, I just find being a celebrity suspicious. If I had that much money, I would go

1:04:40

live in Switzerland and, like, chill out. So Yeah.

1:04:43

I feel like Kurt Russell and Goldehan

1:04:45

have something good going. Yeah. There's and and you can tell too because,

1:04:47

like, they stay on the test of time and --

1:04:50

Yeah. -- they're they're not daxy about it. But

1:04:52

wow. I'm

1:04:54

I'm extremely shocked by the Emily Blunt allegation. Yeah. It makes me excited.

1:04:57

Maybe I have a chance Acme one

1:04:59

day. Maybe that's wild. Yeah.

1:05:01

I I need to

1:05:04

know more. Well, if anyone wants to check out more of your thoughts,

1:05:06

we met an You've got the podcast --

1:05:08

Yeah. -- a great Instagram. You

1:05:10

also give

1:05:12

dating, like, it you'll review people's profiles, right, and I will email you

1:05:14

guys just to say back. Exactly. And you're

1:05:17

respond I mean, IDMs you years

1:05:19

ago and you post something I

1:05:21

asked. Oh, I love

1:05:22

that. So you're very responsive in the DM.

1:05:23

Oh, I got a very responsive. I got a revisit our

1:05:26

DM. Done. Awesome. Very No. I

1:05:28

need to. Shannon, this is so fun. Thank

1:05:30

you for coming on. Thanks for having

1:05:32

me. Yeah.