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I have to say I find myself really drawn

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to places that seem like you can't go on

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any further. Places where you're at the

1:00

edge of the land. And I heard that there

1:02

was this album called Edge of the

1:04

Land by a guitarist and

1:06

songwriter and singer called Katie Spencer.

1:10

And it was set in East Yorkshire

1:12

where she comes from. So I thought

1:14

well, let's go and meet

1:16

her. And she said I'm going to take

1:19

you to the most extraordinary landscape.

1:28

And I thought well, let's go

1:30

and meet her. And

1:58

I thought well, let's go and meet her.

2:04

Katie, good morning. What an amazing

2:07

place you have brought us to. Just

2:09

tell me where I am. Good

2:11

morning, it's a treat to be here. We're on the

2:13

Spurn Point, which is the peninsula that

2:16

wraps around the mouth of the Humber

2:18

Estuary. When we're looking

2:20

down the peninsula, we have the

2:23

North Sea on our left and the

2:25

river Humber on our right. It's

2:27

a very special ever-changing

2:30

place. We're just going to go over

2:32

the wash in a moment. The peninsula has

2:34

been breached now.

2:35

So we could get cut off if we're not

2:37

careful. Yeah, exactly. It

2:40

is at some time separated from the mainland and

2:42

becomes an island.

2:43

That's right, yeah. That's quite a recent

2:45

change. I think it got breached in December

2:48

2013. It's quite a different place

2:50

compared to when I was a kid coming here on

2:53

days out. That's one of the things I love

2:55

about it, that it is different.

2:56

It's just the most spectacular

2:58

vista here because there are lots of

3:01

sand flats on the shore

3:03

in front of us. I think the tide must be out.

3:06

But you can see the industrial landscape over

3:08

on the far side and

3:10

you can see a big ship there too

3:12

on the Humber. There are wind turbines

3:15

and there's a lighthouse. Would that lighthouse be

3:17

an objective for us on our walk? Do you think we could walk

3:19

to that? Yeah,

3:20

I think that would be a great ending point.

3:22

It's a special place just right near the end

3:24

there, in fact.

3:25

Let's get going.

3:42

So when did you first come here?

3:45

I first came here when I was very young, I

3:47

think probably about eight years old. It was

3:50

actually a destination that my mum

3:52

used to come to on holiday. I think

3:54

one of her grandparents had a caravan on the coast

3:57

there which has probably since

3:58

disappeared. really

4:00

fell in love with it because it's obviously

4:02

like nowhere else had been before and

4:05

it feels very

4:06

kind of eerie at times.

4:08

You know, this is a beautiful sunny day today. So

4:10

we're seeing it in a great light, but

4:13

sometimes it can be quite very

5:03

strange. Well,

5:06

not anymore, but it's got an interesting history.

5:10

There are a group of monks who essentially founded

5:12

a place called Wycom Hall just further

5:15

up into the river there and that then became

5:17

Kingston upon a few years later. They

5:19

basically realised how

5:21

important it was for the Humber to become

5:23

this kind of international shifting

5:26

route, you know. That meant that they needed a lighthouse on here.

5:28

So I think it's a great place to be in. So I think there's

5:30

been a lighthouse on span since

5:33

13th century.

5:34

And that would have been a staffed lighthouse.

5:36

Yeah, and so people have lived on here for centuries

5:39

with people kind of looking after the lighthouse

5:42

right up until the 60s and 70s. There's

5:45

still a strange kind of community living here for quite

5:48

some time.

5:49

Although the recent changes

5:51

in the kind of geology of the place has meant that people

5:53

have to move off and it was

5:55

deemed kind of unfair to make people kind of live in such a remote place.

5:58

Well, I think it's a great place to be in.

5:59

I was reading that the peninsula is actually

6:02

moving because of erosion

6:04

about six feet a year, which

6:06

is a rather scary thought if you wanted to live

6:08

on it. That's

6:09

right, yeah. I mean, we'll see later on that

6:11

they actually built a railway on to transport

6:15

goods, including

6:15

huge rocks

6:17

that they tried to kind of use

6:19

to shield the land from the seas and what. And

6:22

so, yeah, it's a really interesting

6:24

place for thinking about the relationship

6:27

that people have with this kind of wild landscape.

6:29

You know, you try and tame it, but it's

6:31

kind of impossible. And because it is shifting

6:33

so much with the bow, the clay

6:36

just being dragged away all the time, you know.

6:39

There's a funny story about

6:40

a lieutenant in the First

6:42

World War. He came down here and

6:44

he decided it was a good idea to bring his very

6:46

swish fancy sports car with him. And

6:49

they actually fitted railway wheels to this sports

6:51

car. And it proved to be an amazing

6:53

thing because they ended up using it for

6:56

about 30 years, trying to transport things up

6:58

and down spurn, which

6:59

is quite a funny thought. That's an extraordinary image, isn't

7:01

it? We're actually on the beach now.

7:03

We've got sand underfoot and pebbles,

7:06

which is making walking more

7:08

challenging in a way. But I wonder if you might

7:11

sing a song because I think you've written a song

7:13

inspired by this place.

7:15

Yeah, that's right. I've written a song called The Edge

7:18

of the Land, which is the title track to

7:20

my second album that was out last year. It's

7:22

really inspired by this landscape

7:24

and that feeling of

7:26

being at the edge and how

7:28

that kind of informs people's lives

7:30

around here and the relationship that

7:32

we have with the landscape.

7:35

It was initially a song that I was asked to write by

7:37

a festival that's held in Hull

7:40

every year called the Freedom Festival.

7:42

They asked me to kind of celebrate the city, but

7:44

also to think about its kind of maritime

7:46

connection. I

7:49

remember sort of feeling quite daunted by the

7:52

thought of trying to fit in so many memories

7:54

and feelings into a song, but it

7:56

ended up being a really wonderful thing. We've

8:00

used this jumping off point of this beautiful book

8:02

of photographs by Fair Godwin.

8:04

She created this collection called The Edge of the

8:06

Land and she came

8:08

to spurn and took some beautiful photographs and quite

8:11

brutal actually.

8:12

You can imagine how bleak this could be

8:14

on a cold, wet day. And

8:17

again that thing of being on the edge of the land, that sense

8:19

of we've reached the edge there's

8:22

no further that we can go here. We've

8:24

got the sea on our left and

8:26

the humber on our right and we're on a very

8:28

narrow spit of land. This

8:31

would be a lovely place, so it's actually the edge of a

8:33

road here that's collapsed into the

8:35

beach. This would be a lovely place for

8:37

you to sing if you wouldn't mind. Wonderful.

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Shh. Shh.

10:10

Shh. Shh.

10:22

Shh. Shh.

10:32

Shh. Shh.

10:40

Shh. Shh.

11:02

Shh. Shh.

11:11

Shh. Shh.

11:24

Shh. Shh. Shh.

11:36

Shh. Shh.

11:47

Shh. Shh.

12:44

Then

12:47

the moon rose up nearby, and the star rose

12:49

around, then more and more he fell asleep.

13:16

I

13:22

have a lot of family from there and have quite

13:25

a strong connection to the first releases. It's where

13:27

a lot of my early memories are found.

13:30

What are those early memories and

13:32

do they involve music? Well,

13:34

yeah, although my folks

13:36

aren't musicians themselves, they're a huge appreciator

13:39

of music. They used to take me

13:41

to gigs in whole festivals and things

13:43

like that. From being really young to that was obviously

13:45

really important.

13:46

Do you remember anyone that you saw at that time? Oh

13:48

gosh, I remember going to Beverly Folk

13:51

Festival and seeing Wiz Jones play

13:53

and being totally blown away

13:55

by that experience. I think he only played

13:57

for half an hour and I just wanted more.

13:59

it was really special. So

14:02

the guitar was already a

14:04

thing, your guitar was starting to spark your

14:06

interest. Well I

14:08

didn't pick up the guitar until I was 16

14:11

and

14:11

that was because my dad

14:13

always had a guitar hanging around the house but it was kind

14:15

of an ornament you know

14:18

rather than an instrument but you

14:20

know having the privilege

14:20

of the experience of being able

14:22

to sit on the front row and watch these guitarists enjoying

14:25

themselves on stage was probably

14:27

a big

14:27

inspiration for me I think.

14:30

And were you also interested in

14:32

the kind of history of Hull and the and

14:35

the heritage that seems to come out in some of your

14:37

songs?

14:38

Yeah I think that probably comes from my family

14:41

as well I think my grandparents all

14:44

worked in the kind of heavy industry

14:46

sort of side of Hull

14:48

and... What's something to do?

14:49

My granddad was an engineer he

14:52

worked in some of the old companies there

14:54

like Priestmans it is like a classic kind of

14:56

Hull staple engineering

14:58

firm and my dad worked there as well. My

15:01

other granddad actually worked on the shipyard welding

15:04

and

15:04

climbing inside

15:06

ships and fixing them which

15:08

I found really exciting as a child I think you

15:10

know

15:11

it's a very different place now when it's near to the other

15:13

groups. And

15:34

did they tell you stories of the industrial

15:36

past? Yeah I think

15:39

perhaps what I enjoyed

15:41

grasping onto was probably the more

15:43

emotional side of it you know the I guess the

15:45

pride that comes with

15:47

that generation really enjoying

15:50

the life that they have and creating

15:52

these you know my granddad creating

15:54

helping to create these amazing ships and the story

15:57

that that involves

15:58

is a kind of truly... it's like and where it

16:01

would possibly end up happening. Kind

16:03

of emotional aspect, you know, really.

16:06

I was holding onto you. Yeah.

16:42

I think there's a, you

16:45

did some instrumental music,

16:47

which was for a film about

16:49

the history of this area. Can you tell us about that?

16:52

Yeah, that's right. That

16:54

was quite a recent project.

16:55

I was commissioned

16:57

to write a piece of music by the Yorkshire

16:59

Film Archives and the Freedom Festival

17:02

for this really wonderful archive

17:04

footage. I got

17:05

assigned this piece of footage, which

17:08

followed the buildings of this ship in

17:10

Beverly, and I think the chances

17:12

are quite high that my

17:13

granddad worked on that ship. Wow. Really

17:15

special. It's called Staling Ash.

18:23

There are actually some very large

18:25

ships just behind you. There

18:28

must be a deep channel of the Humber

18:30

and there are two very large ships sailing

18:33

at your back as you stand with

18:35

your guitar. It would be a lovely image. Yeah,

18:38

I think they're coming out of

18:39

the heart of Imingham over there in Lincolnshire.

18:42

It's interesting

18:43

to watch them when you're at the SSR and they feel like you could reach them

18:45

such a big amount of time. them.

20:13

I was just trying to visualize

20:15

the shipbuilding process and then the

20:18

launch at the end and that ship is still making

20:20

stately progress behind you. And

20:24

we seem to say where we are because we're still on

20:26

this spit of land which is mostly

20:29

sand to our left but on

20:31

our right it's quite a very

20:33

flat, I should say extremely flat

20:36

so you can see a long way but

20:38

there's pebbles and then there's bits of concrete

20:41

and bits of building here. There seems to

20:43

be a part of a brick wall that's washed

20:46

up and it's been eroded slightly by the

20:48

sea.

20:49

It's interesting thinking about the people who might

20:52

have lived here as well, you know, state

20:54

house men and their families lived here

20:56

for centuries and then

20:58

they were later joined by people

21:01

who worked at the lifeboat station down

21:03

at the end. An interesting thing about that

21:05

and I think it sort of illustrates how

21:07

stark it is around here. The

21:10

R&LI crew are actually the only kind

21:12

of full-time crew in the UK,

21:14

professionals paid posts here

21:16

and

21:17

that's because it's so dangerous

21:19

I suppose. And so remote. Absolutely.

21:22

And so years ago the lighthouse

21:25

men and the people who

21:27

manned the lifeboats all lived here with their

21:29

families and actually they even built a

21:31

little school for the children on the span. And

21:33

obviously

21:34

a pub as well. Naturally.

21:36

But it must have been quite a bleak time

21:39

in the winter here because you're totally

21:41

exposed on all sides so I

21:43

imagine the weather just blows

21:45

in and you know it could have been pretty

21:48

tough living here.

21:49

That's right. And actually the lighthouse that

21:51

we're going to go and see later, the lighthouse

21:53

men who looked after that one, they lived

21:55

in the remains of the old one and that had

21:57

some kind of sea defenses built around it.

21:59

and they actually put their house in the middle of the sea

22:02

to try and mitigate some of

22:04

that. Yeah, it must have been

22:06

such a bleak, bleak

22:07

life. Because it's a sunny day now, but

22:09

the wind's definitely whistling in, you know,

22:12

so I don't know if your fingers are getting cold, but it is quite

22:15

good, isn't it? Let's keep walking.

22:24

Let's talk a little bit about the music

22:27

that has influenced you, or the music that you were listening

22:29

to when you first started singing guitar, then you

22:31

thought, oh, I'd love to be able

22:34

to play like that. Who was

22:36

it? I suppose

22:37

it was a combination of people, but they all probably

22:40

came from the similar late

22:42

60s, early 70s kind of folk revival

22:44

sounds of singer-songwriters. I

22:47

think my main man would probably be John

22:49

Martin, very kind of atmosphere and

22:52

musicality to his lyrics

22:54

and, of course, his unique guitar

22:56

style. That really drew me in and opened

22:59

the door to a lot of other music, really.

23:01

How did you find him? Was he in your parents' record

23:03

collection, or did you find him online? I

23:06

actually remember watching a documentary,

23:09

I think, on the BBC, and it was

23:11

all about different kinds of folk music,

23:13

so there were people like Vashti

23:14

Bunyan and Roy Harper

23:17

and folks like that. And then

23:19

a video came on of John Martin, and I was totally

23:21

blown away. And

23:23

I kind of fell down the rabbit hole of

23:26

that whole scene, really. And then

23:28

my folks fell in love with that as well.

23:31

We went on that journey together a little later, so it was

23:33

wonderful.

23:48

And was music as a career something

23:50

that you decided on pretty early on, or

23:53

was it something that came later? It's

23:55

a strange thing when I look back at that moment in time,

23:58

because I didn't really have a plan.

23:59

Before I started. We're just

24:02

pausing for a second here because there's a

24:04

thing here that says high tide shelter Please

24:06

use this shelter if you find yourself cut off by

24:09

the tide and then there's another rather Big

24:12

sign in red letters that says have you

24:14

left enough time to return before high tide?

24:16

So is this where it gets cut off?

24:18

That's right. So the bit that we've just crossed

24:20

over the wash there That's

24:23

where the tide breaches and it becomes

24:25

a tidal island and we would be stuck here

24:27

What are you thinking? You know

24:30

just looking out to sea now the tide looks quite a

24:32

long way out But what are you thinking if we

24:34

would we need to find shelter in this? Hopefully

24:37

not. It's not very big is it? Like

24:40

a bus shelter made of

24:43

wood. Well, let's go let's keep

24:45

going then let's let's keep going with confidence

24:49

That's how you were talking about taking

24:53

a decision to to

24:55

become a Professional musician.

24:57

So what's music always a career

25:00

that you considered or was it something that came later?

25:02

Yeah, absolutely not really a strange thing

25:05

when I think back to that time I was

25:07

at college I was 18 and I didn't really

25:09

have much of a plan I'd always kind of tried

25:12

hard at school, you know and done all of that And then that

25:14

I didn't have this feeling that I wanted to go to uni

25:17

or anything like that But I'd been playing

25:19

guitar for a couple of years by that point and

25:22

really enjoying it and I just started

25:24

to kind of

25:25

Well, I was very grateful and very very

25:27

privileged to To have the support

25:29

from my parents to go and explore

25:32

that world a bit more and I would just play as much as I could

25:34

really with their support After

25:36

a few years, I I was

25:38

I found myself kind of doing it whole

25:41

time which I'm very grateful for and So

25:44

you just started to get gigs that people paid

25:46

you for that's right Yeah, and really

25:48

fell in love with everything that that

25:50

comes with kind of writing songs and playing

25:53

music

25:55

And you like the life on the road yeah,

25:57

I do yeah, I love the kind of

25:59

sort of feeling of just popping

26:02

in the car and pulling up looking at things and

26:05

yeah it's a really wonderful life I'm very

26:07

happy. Well we've come

26:10

to the top of a slight incline

26:12

now and there's some great big blocks

26:14

of concrete which must have been

26:17

put there originally to sort of a sea defense

26:19

of some kind I think and

26:21

you can hear the sea coming

26:24

back on our left here. I wonder

26:26

if this is a place for another song? Have

26:28

you got a song that would be good to

26:30

sing here? Yes I have actually

26:32

in fact we're

26:34

kind of on a I guess you could call

26:36

it a little bit of a high point here

26:38

in a very flat

26:39

landscape but I've got a song

26:41

called Silence on the Hillside from by

26:44

no means is this the hillside but

26:47

it's a song about having a different perspective

26:49

I've kind of grown up

26:51

among the flatlands over here

26:53

and I now live over in West Yorkshire it's

26:56

a song that I wrote when I first moved there and I live on

26:58

the side of a great big hill in

27:00

the air valley. Was

27:01

that a bit of a shock to the system? It was. Coming

27:04

from here. Well here you can just see

27:06

for miles can't you? There's no features in the landscape

27:08

but do you like having hills? I

27:11

do it was a very surprising

27:14

feeling

27:14

kind of being in and amongst these great big hills

27:16

and having the chance to go up to the top and

27:19

look down into the valley and I'd never really

27:21

had that perspective on a landscape before to see

27:23

it kind of sprawling in front of me so it's

27:26

a song that I wrote when I wanted to kind of

27:28

document that moment in time

27:31

because it was when the world was

27:33

getting a lot quieter and things were closing and I could

27:35

kind of go up to the top of the hill and

27:38

look at all the houses down in the valley bottom

27:40

there and imagine all the lives unfolding

27:43

and it kind of made me feel

27:44

a little bit

27:45

closer to people and that's what

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So between us and the sea now there's

32:48

this bank covered

32:50

in grasses and and plants

32:52

but fishing the other way we can see The

32:55

sand flats and it's much quieter

32:58

here. We sort of sheltered from the waves

33:00

aren't we and and the wind on

33:02

this side? And we're looking

33:04

towards the Humber now aren't we? Mmm,

33:06

yeah, that's right. So Hollis to our right

33:08

and That's Lincolnshire

33:10

over there. So the Humber splits the two

33:13

counties

33:15

And on this side it doesn't seem like the tides coming

33:18

in but it may well be creeping up on us from

33:20

behind that bank

33:27

Well, this must be a great place Katie

33:30

for wildlife for 60 bird

33:32

life, isn't it? Absolutely. Yeah,

33:34

it's a really important location for migratory

33:36

birds Thousands

33:39

of people come here to witness the

33:41

thousands of birds land here in this very

33:44

soft.

33:44

It's just you can just walk through

33:47

them and amongst them

33:48

there are also Lots of

33:50

deer on the fern as well as

33:53

you can probably tell there seem to be kind

33:55

of different zones within

33:56

Different here because we're

33:58

not surrounded by some

33:59

some grasses and

34:02

some plant life, aren't we here? It was

34:04

very barren before. So

34:06

it seems that the plant life might

34:08

be quite interesting here as well.

34:10

Yeah, it's a registered nature

34:12

reserve here. They're really

34:14

trying to

34:14

protect these different sections

34:16

within. Although

34:19

they've kind of, I think, abandoned the efforts

34:21

to kind of keep the ban as it is,

34:24

of course, with erosion, they're

34:27

really trying to protect the wildlife that's on it. So

34:29

it's that delicate balance of trying to

34:31

protect what you have, but also being aware that there's only

34:34

a certain amount that you can do that's

34:35

viable. And

34:37

then we can hear other people talking behind us, which

34:39

I assume means that it's quite

34:42

a popular spot for people to come and

34:44

walk, particularly on a nice day

34:46

like this.

34:47

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's a really

34:49

nice, I think, three miles long. So

34:52

it's a six-mile walk, and especially,

34:54

yeah, exactly on a day like today, it's a beautiful

34:56

day. I don't know where better

34:58

is that. I know, it's fantastic. Well,

35:05

this looks like gorse here by the

35:07

side of the path. And there's strange

35:11

sort of formations on the top of the gorse there.

35:13

What do you think those are?

35:15

They look like some kind of cocoon

35:19

or something. They've been wrapped in something

35:22

very fine, and there are

35:26

lots of tiny things

35:27

making small movements around. Yeah,

35:30

it looks like cotton wool actually

35:32

wrapped around some of the branches. Thousands

35:36

of caterpillars inside. Do you think?

35:39

Yeah.

35:41

Well, this is going to be alive with butterflies. Just

35:44

here, isn't it?

35:45

Yeah, there are lots of these little

35:48

pockets that I can see now,

35:49

all over the

35:51

gorse.

35:52

Oh, yeah, there's some over there as well, isn't there? Yeah. What's

35:57

wonderful, Katie, is that the landscape

35:59

just keeps... changing as

36:01

we walk down this narrow spit of land.

36:04

And so we're approaching the Black and

36:06

White Stripe lighthouse

36:10

and the beach is opened up on our right

36:13

and I can see a pier which

36:15

is sticking out from the far end of the point

36:18

here. And

36:21

there's some cows and cattle, Highland cattle

36:23

on our left. Because there's

36:25

a bit of green between

36:28

us and the sea on our left. And

36:30

the water's coming in now on our right. But

36:33

it does, it just changes, doesn't it?

36:35

It does, I think that's what I fell in love with as

36:37

a child.

36:38

This feeling that

36:40

you can walk only two

36:43

or three

36:43

miles and experience so many different landscapes

36:46

within that. You never quite know what

36:48

you're going to find around the corner which is

36:51

really kind of inspiring. I suppose that's

36:53

why

36:55

I kind of write a lot of music inspired

36:57

by this landscape because it is

36:59

very intriguing.

37:01

What are you getting inspiration from at

37:03

the moment? What's your new project?

37:06

Well I am very excited

37:09

at the moment because I'm just waiting on a guitar to be

37:11

made. An amazing, amazing

37:13

luthier in North Yorkshire called Tom

37:16

Sands is currently building a guitar

37:18

for me which I'm very lucky to

37:20

say. And this guitar

37:23

is,

37:23

we went down and

37:25

we went to choose the woods and we've chosen some

37:27

ancient English Fenland Black

37:30

Oak which is over five thousand years

37:32

old and it's been sunk and quite

37:34

often

37:35

farmers around Norfolk

37:37

pile up these great

37:39

big ancient pieces of oak.

37:42

And Tom is

37:45

creating a guitar for me out of that wood and

37:47

also some ancient zinc acypris

37:49

from North Carolina. So there's

37:51

this kind

37:51

of really interesting ancient

37:55

feel to this guitar and I'm really intrigued

37:58

to kind of write some

37:59

songs that are inspired

38:02

by this kind of disappearing nature

38:04

of the Holderness Coast just further

38:06

up from where the Fenlandoke is from and I

38:09

think there are supposed to be about 29 villages

38:11

that have disappeared just off the Holderness

38:14

Coast since Roman times which is

38:16

quite a number really and I just want to sort

38:18

of write some

38:20

songs in

38:21

that scene really with this guitar so that's what I'm

38:24

focusing on in the next few months

38:27

just thinking about this.

38:28

And I wonder if you're going to be able

38:30

to sort of just draw something out of that

38:32

wood because to have

38:34

wood of that antiquity under

38:36

your fingertips would be

38:39

inspiring in itself wouldn't it? Yeah

38:41

I think it's

38:42

going to be quite a magical instrument. It's

38:45

very intriguing to think about the music that might

38:48

be made on over the years and think

38:50

about the life that it's already had.

38:51

So we're right underneath

38:54

the lighthouse now and it's

38:56

an imposing structure painted

38:59

in bands of black and white and with the big

39:01

light at the top presumably they don't use

39:03

the lighthouse anymore because navigation's

39:07

improved so much. That's right this lighthouse

39:09

is

39:09

actually now a museum that you can

39:11

visit every so often. It was built in the late

39:14

1800s.

39:15

Well there's some people having a picnic outside

39:17

it though. I

39:20

wonder if you might sing for us here? Have

39:22

you got a final song for us?

39:23

Yeah I've got a song called Shannon

39:26

Road which is a song celebrating

39:28

the city it's just really a kind of collection

39:30

of memories from my time. Yeah

39:33

my time spent growing up in Hull with my grandma

39:36

on Shannon Road.

39:58

Oh,

40:03

I'm sleeping

40:08

and I'm driving away From

40:13

a Saturday night and

40:17

a morning I'm

40:21

sleeping and I'm driving away

40:28

From a Saturday night and a

40:30

morning I'm driving away

40:33

from a Saturday night

40:39

I'm driving away from a Saturday night

40:45

I'm driving away from a

40:48

Saturday night I'm

40:58

driving away from a Saturday

41:01

night I'm

41:05

driving away from a Saturday

41:07

night I'm driving away from

41:09

a Saturday night I'm

41:21

driving away from a Saturday

41:25

night I'm

41:30

driving away

41:32

from a Saturday night I'm driving

41:36

away

41:38

from a Saturday night

41:45

I'm

41:50

driving away from a Saturday night

42:44

I know

42:52

the apple is on the tree

42:54

and the garden of the garden and

42:58

the garden

43:01

of the garden is on

43:04

the tree and the

43:06

garden of the garden

43:37

and

43:40

the garden of the garden is on the tree and

43:43

the garden of the garden is on the

43:45

tree

43:54

Yorkshire

44:00

and I was able to kind of view this landscape

44:02

in such a kind of crystallised way,

44:05

I don't think I would have perhaps been able to write the

44:07

songs had it been

44:07

in the location. Well

44:10

it's been amazing to come to this place

44:12

with you today, not just to hear

44:14

your beautiful songs but to see this extraordinary

44:17

landscape. Thank you so much for bringing us. Thank

44:19

you, it's been a real treat to explore.

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