0:21

Hello, my guests this month include

0:23

John Cleave of the Fisherman's Friends.

0:25

He's the one with the luxurious

0:27

moustache and he'll be reflecting on

0:29

their extraordinary success. I'm also joined

0:31

by Ian Anderson who's put together

0:33

a compilation album reflecting the 1960s

0:35

Soho Club Les

0:38

Cousins or Les Cousins or Les Cousins.

0:40

I don't know how you pronounce it

0:42

he'll tell me later but that was

0:44

where you could see anybody who was

0:46

anybody in the 60s folk and blues

0:48

scene and we'll have some archive footage

0:50

of John Renbourn to share with you.

0:52

There are three new entries and we're

0:54

also going to have some music from

0:57

Show of Hands, Oxen, Martin Joseph and

0:59

the Mary Wallipers. But let's kick off

1:01

with a re-entry in the chart from

1:03

Hack Poets Guild at number 37. That's

1:06

Mary Watterson, Lisa Knapp and Nathaniel

1:08

Mann and this is Hemp and

1:10

Flax. I'm

3:01

a good guy, and a good actor

3:05

I'm a good guy, and a

3:07

good actor I'm

3:11

a good guy, and

3:14

a good actor I'm a

3:17

good guy, oh yeah, a hero

3:20

In which the sun would come and take it

3:23

I'm your weapon's enemy Shoulder

3:25

of these eyes I'm your weapon's

3:27

enemy Shoulder

3:31

of these eyes I'm

3:33

your weapon's enemy Shoulder

3:36

of these eyes Here's

3:45

the first chart, countdown at 40 A

3:47

re-entry for lilac time And dance till

3:49

all the stars come down At

3:52

39, back in the chart, are the

3:54

longest johns and seasides At 38,

3:56

Siobhan Miller bounces back with bloom At 37, back in the

3:58

chart, are the longest johns and seasides is Hackpoet's

4:00

Guild with Blackletter Garland, at

4:03

36 Blackmoor's Night and the 25th anniversary

4:05

edition of Shadow of the Moon, at

4:08

35 Breacher Campbell and Carry Them With Us,

4:11

at 34 Catherine Tickell and the

4:13

Darkening with Cloud Horizons, at

4:16

33 Roots 2 from Show of Hands and we'll

4:18

hear a track in a moment, at

4:20

32 First Loves and White Magnolias

4:22

from Bear's Den, and

4:24

at 31 The Raw Energy of

4:27

Shantypunk by Skinny Lister. So

4:34

back into the chart at number 33

4:36

come our old friend's show of hands,

4:38

currently embarked on their last ever tour

4:40

and they put out a greatest hits

4:42

compilation called Roots 2 to mark the

4:44

event. We embrace any

4:46

occasion to play you, you'll get by, so

4:48

here it is again. Here's a

4:51

song and a breath for you For

4:54

the bruised and the

4:57

brokenhearted For

4:59

the weary and the whistleblower

5:02

newly born or

5:04

just departed For

5:07

the fruit that withered on the

5:09

vine and the

5:11

seed we left unplanted

5:14

and the love we watched

5:16

walk away and

5:19

for the friends we

5:21

took for granted I

5:29

have held my life together

5:32

and it's shattered

5:35

to the core Once again

5:37

you were casted up

5:39

to be saved The

5:44

shivers come out their hearts The mean

5:46

free was born and

5:49

the ever raging storm never

5:51

suited I

5:55

love your strength The

5:57

lean breeze. You

6:22

know know is now the

6:24

show Le. Auto

6:35

around the. Room.

6:56

Why? Do.

7:20

You. Are.

7:25

You. On the. Other.

7:43

Day. And

7:50

there are gay to

7:52

take. Who were I

7:55

santa? Is.

7:57

Ah, They

8:03

would. You

8:36

know if. You

8:55

know I. Saw

9:19

hands in the top thirty three

9:21

with that compilation routes to not

9:24

Let me tell you about the

9:26

new episode of Folk on Foot

9:28

which is coming out on Friday

9:30

Feb the sixteenth. We traveled to

9:32

the beautiful mountains of More and

9:34

in Northern Ireland to walk with

9:36

through a three young men whose

9:39

take the name from a mythological

9:41

trio of poet musicians in Ancient

9:43

Ulster. They sing in both Irish

9:45

and English with harmonies inspired by

9:47

Crosby Stills, Nash and Young. His

9:50

a taster. Nine

9:56

and River. non stop

10:00

Singing birdie praise. Frontier

10:04

is creeping into

10:07

our roots. And

10:10

it soon won't be long before

10:13

the land is

10:15

changed. And

10:18

the people will

10:20

fight instead of coming. Yes,

10:25

the people will

10:27

fight instead of

10:29

coming. With

10:35

the speed

10:38

of the free. We

10:43

are caught

10:47

in the beat. We

10:57

are caught

11:00

in the

11:04

beat. We

11:11

are caught in

11:14

the beat. We

11:18

are caught in the beat.

11:48

We are caught in the beat. If

12:00

you're his moments in time and

12:02

twenty sevens my fairies that carried

12:04

in. A Thirty

12:06

Six Authority to say we know

12:08

by the mood. At Twenty Five,

12:11

nothing but Green Willow from Much

12:13

and Simpson and Tom here at

12:15

Twenty Four, Eliza Coffee and John

12:17

Bolton as fit in festive mood

12:19

with last Christmas comes at Twenty

12:21

Three The level as collective are

12:23

together all the way. A Twenty

12:25

Two inconsistent Black couldn't had a

12:28

Twenty one W from Catherine. Things.

12:30

And even debris aim. For.

12:35

Let's get the latest gig and album

12:37

news now as we're joined by Lucy Shields

12:39

of The Fuck Forecast Lucy loss of gigs

12:41

to look forward to this month. I

12:44

lackeys? yeah and it's great to see

12:46

if you take starting up again after

12:48

Christmas and I thought you wince a

12:50

folk festivals coming at the festival quite

12:52

soon and the ninth and tenth a

12:54

separate with Got Love Felt Festival in

12:57

Southport say they've got lots of those

12:59

artists including the Magpie, Art Mary How

13:01

Frankie Arts or Hop On a Monkey

13:03

Iron and Lane and lots more says

13:05

that can be a great one. Slip

13:07

Foods. And was also

13:09

got states that Beverly so I've been

13:11

doing some work with them recently that's

13:13

running from the eleventh to the eighteenth

13:15

February. So. They've got as who Lean

13:18

T does the some calitri a more

13:20

than way the often had and lots

13:22

more. This and poetry all sorts of things

13:24

and also world music Dj set from

13:26

Andy Castle. he's to be a D J

13:28

on the Bbc as well. So fantastic

13:30

night out that will be. There's.

13:32

Also, chest iphone festival or running

13:35

a February Vote day on the

13:37

Twenty fourth. A separate that's not

13:39

All Saints Church in Chester say

13:41

thought site Martin that's Miranda Sites

13:43

on How To Martin and Got

13:46

Cohen, Braithwaite, Kilcoyne, Virginia Cattle For

13:48

Mary, How My Kaylee Sessions, dance

13:50

displays and also so great to

13:52

get festivals but going. Then.

13:54

another thing i spotted kings place

13:56

in london they're doing a scotland

13:58

and right thing which is lasting all

14:01

year. So really if you're near London and

14:03

you're into Scottish folk it's going to be a

14:05

treat all year really. It's absolutely amazing. I

14:07

couldn't stop booking. I kept booking tickets, there

14:09

are all sorts of things. Then I saw

14:11

another one. So what are the highlights you've

14:13

got there? So there are a

14:15

few events connected with Orkney Folk Festival

14:17

and they've got gigs

14:19

from Farrah, Nos, The Chair and

14:22

lots more. There's also some workshops,

14:24

accordion workshops, fiddle workshops, a choir

14:27

and then on the 25th of February

14:29

there's an event with Ryan Young who's

14:31

a spectacular fiddler called Scotland's Oldest Violin.

14:33

So he's going to be playing a

14:35

violin made in Edinburgh in 1731 which

14:37

is thought to be the

14:40

oldest Scottish fiddle in existence and he's

14:42

the most amazing fiddler so it's going

14:44

to be incredible I think. Then

14:46

also they've got Blazing Fiddles on the 4th of

14:48

March as well but that's just what's coming up

14:50

in the next few weeks but there'll be lots

14:52

more all the year. I've got tickets for

14:54

Chris Driever as well he's playing and I

14:56

think Corinne Pollvert and Pippa Murphy are doing

14:58

something in the autumn so go to the

15:01

King's Place website is my advice if you're

15:03

anywhere near London. Yes I'm almost really impressed

15:05

by their programming, really creative and I like

15:07

the fact they do things that are themed

15:09

and stuff as well it's really great. Then

15:12

also in London, Lucky People in London,

15:14

Broadside Hacks are doing a tribute to

15:16

Les Cuisine or The Cousins. On

15:19

the 10th of March that's at Moth Club

15:21

in London so they've got Ian Anderson, Bridget

15:24

St. John, Martin Carthy and Wiz Jones and

15:26

of course there's been an album released recently

15:28

which I believe might be in the chart

15:30

as well. We're going to be speaking

15:32

to Ian in the show about the

15:35

history of this. This is the club

15:37

in Soho where absolutely everybody played. I

15:39

mean Ian was telling me

15:41

that you know there were all sorts

15:43

of reports of famous people turning up

15:45

there but certainly those people are on

15:47

that gig and many more and you'll

15:50

hear about that in our interview in a few minutes. Looking

15:52

forward to hearing that. Then Also

15:54

The Nest Collective are doing some spring

15:57

kales as well at Grand Junction also

15:59

in London. Lucky. People in

16:01

London. I'm in Newcastle so so jealous. So

16:03

fifteenth and sixteenth March they've got some really

16:05

lovely K these coming up as well, but

16:07

I'm sure the be plenty more wherever you

16:10

live in the country. What? About sir

16:12

are to some to that we might have

16:14

for watch with on for comfort Yes lots.

16:16

People getting back out until or as

16:18

well. So Belinda is usually has some

16:21

solo dates, the Cbd and and any

16:23

stats and they're towing their new album,

16:25

which I'll tell you about a little

16:27

bit later. Jenny's also touring with Salt

16:29

House straight afterwards. And is also

16:31

Chris Word for some and friends.

16:33

Grief Petri, Tony Campbell Eighty Cents

16:35

at Night inspires Moss and Since

16:37

and Nine by Family Set Lakeman

16:39

and Show of Hands and that's

16:41

just really a selection of of

16:44

the whole concept artist. As blue excuse

16:46

for staying at home. but sword you

16:48

gotta be out by get tickets for

16:50

all those artists and he online gigs.

16:53

ah yes. And. Nine Burrow they're still

16:55

doing and some life seen say they've got

16:57

one. On the seventeenth of said brief and.

16:59

When. The happy hurts they call it which

17:01

is a has to the bottom of that

17:03

god and so be great to catch up

17:06

with them. Bed in the Valley that playing

17:08

at Roslin Call in Margate on the Twenty

17:10

ninth and Sebrae Leap Day he got a

17:12

little extra good day and they might seem

17:14

the first half a decade on you tube.

17:16

He can watch it for free but donations

17:18

are encouraged to support the artists then over

17:20

unlikely living room he lie wet with we've

17:23

got More Right Place and David Boardman. Most.

17:25

People know Mot Radcliffe on his radio,

17:27

what that? He's a fantastic musician as

17:29

well. Show of hands that doing a

17:31

cake like from a space and new

17:33

brakes on the twenty fourth of February

17:35

Got sites Martin on leap day, twenty

17:37

ninth of February and then Amina Coburn

17:39

at the start of March as well.

17:41

So lots going on. The no excuse

17:43

for going out you have to stay at home and

17:45

watch This gives his who helped a lucy If I

17:47

will take a break for a moment and get some

17:49

music from the chart but then when you combine shows

17:51

about all the album release is the the coming out.

17:54

Or well, because there are quite a few of those as

17:56

low. Or I must get the music now. He.

19:37

He. He.

21:06

long

22:00

And the Green afraid

24:06

to be

24:14

a person? reel

24:29

reel reel

24:43

reel

24:52

reel reel

25:09

reel reel

25:30

reel reel

25:42

reel reel

25:53

reel That's

27:24

Cruel Mother from Oxen, the quartet

27:26

featuring Radio Pete of Lancombe, Katie

27:28

Kim and Spud Murphy and Eleanor

27:31

Myler of Percolator. Their album Crum

27:33

is at 11 in

27:35

this month's chart. But what new albums

27:37

can we look forward to later in

27:40

this month? Here's Lucy again. Well,

27:42

there are quite a few of them. So first

27:44

of all, there's Johnny Campbell, True North, that's just

27:46

come out on the 26th of January and I

27:48

think you know a bit about that one as

27:51

well. I do, because Faucon Foote helped

27:53

him record one of the tracks on the

27:55

top of Wernside, Yorkshire's highest mountain and we

27:57

went up there and recorded an episode. episode

28:00

of Folk on Fort, which I do

28:02

recommend to you, but that's what he's

28:04

doing, isn't he? He's recording in these

28:06

incredible places, all the tracks

28:08

on the album. Yes, exactly. So together

28:12

field recordings of traditional songs from the

28:14

north, each of them has been recorded

28:16

at the highest point of its given

28:19

county. So he's gone to North umberland,

28:21

Durham, Lancashire, Merseyside and beyond, collecting

28:23

all of these songs on or

28:26

close to the summit of each spot. So

28:28

it's really fascinating and he's been on lots

28:30

and lots of walks as well. Yeah. So

28:33

he's running quite a few touches in the wind,

28:35

isn't he? Exactly. And then

28:37

also another one to look out for,

28:39

Booth, Hugh, Radine and Jenny Sturgeon, as

28:42

I mentioned, they've just released their new

28:44

album Outliers on the 2nd of February.

28:47

So that album was written between their homes

28:49

in Glasgow and Shetland in the lockdown years

28:51

of 2020 and 2021. So

28:54

they had some time and space to explore

28:57

new creative outlets and they were meeting

28:59

every few weeks, sending ideas across to

29:01

each other, recording themselves at home. And

29:03

finally, they've brought it all together into

29:05

this album. It's been launched at Celtic

29:07

Connections and then they're going to be

29:09

touring it in Scotland and England this

29:11

month. So lots of chances to catch

29:13

it live as well. The 9th of

29:16

February, we've got the longest Johns releasing

29:18

voyage. So they've really been going from

29:20

strength to strength after sort of the

29:22

trends of sea fancies and everything a

29:25

while ago. So this is their

29:27

fifth studio album and it's really

29:30

exploring seafaring history and stories and

29:32

songs from through the centuries. So

29:34

that's one to look forward to

29:36

as well. Also that same

29:38

day, Rant, the Scottish Fiddle Group, made

29:41

up of Gillian Frame, Lauren McColl, Anna

29:43

Massey and Bethany Reed, they're releasing their

29:45

new album Spin on the 9th of

29:47

February. So they're paying tribute

29:49

to the tracks and artists that have

29:52

influenced them over the years and they're

29:54

putting a new spin on them. So

29:56

that's the idea behind the title. Fabulous

29:58

fiddle music really. And

30:02

another one I've really been looking forward

30:04

to is Catherine Priddy's new album, The

30:06

Pendulum Swing, which is out on the

30:08

16th of February. It's an

30:10

album that's got close ties to family and the

30:12

house where she grew up. And

30:14

the Pendulum Swing kind of refers to the

30:16

fact that no matter where you go in

30:18

life, your roots keep pulling you back to

30:20

where you're from. And I just love Catherine,

30:22

I've been following her career for a long

30:24

time. So it's really great to see this

30:26

second album. A lot of people will

30:28

be really looking forward to hearing that. I

30:31

think you can get some singles online, can't you, at the

30:33

moment? You can, yes. So the first

30:35

couple of singles are out already so you

30:37

can get a taster of what's in store

30:39

and it's amazing. 16th

30:41

of February we've got Kite Wing. So

30:43

you might not have heard of Kite

30:45

Wing, but it's a new collaboration between

30:47

Alden and Patterson and the Shackleton Trio,

30:49

two fantastic groups. And this

30:51

new self-titled album is really

30:54

taking inspiration from the natural world,

30:56

Songs of the Sea, Migration, Environmental

30:58

Struggle, and it's all brought

31:00

together with beautiful harmonies and

31:03

fantastic instrumentation. So absolutely

31:05

gorgeous one to look out for as well. Then

31:08

Maddie Morris is releasing Skin on

31:10

the 23rd of February. Really

31:12

been looking forward to this one as well.

31:14

It's Maddie's debut album and it's

31:16

an exploration of queer identity and politics

31:19

and what it means to Maddie personally as

31:21

well as what it means on a wider

31:24

scale as well and really

31:26

looking forward with hope for change in

31:28

the future. Maddie's an amazing artist. They're

31:30

able to kind of explore really big

31:32

political topics but in a very personal

31:34

way that's really easy to identify with.

31:36

So this is sure to be a

31:38

really amazing album. Then

31:41

finally Martin Carthey is releasing his debut

31:43

self-titled album on vinyl on the 23rd

31:45

of February, now that vinyl's cool again.

31:47

It was originally released in 1965

31:50

and it's a real snapshot of what he

31:52

was working on at the time. So that's

31:54

a must for Martin Carthey fans. Lucy,

31:57

as always, it's a joy to hear from

31:59

you. and what a great array of albums

32:01

we've got to look forward to. We'll see you

32:04

next month. Great, see you later. More

32:07

from the chart at 20, The

32:10

Unthranc'd and Thorrow's Away, at 19,

32:12

Archangel Hill from Shirley Collins, at

32:14

18, various artists reinterpreting the songs of

32:17

Nick Drake in the endless coloured ways,

32:20

at 17, Marcus Mumford and

32:22

self-titled, at 16, Lai Tears

32:24

from Kate Rusby, at

32:26

15, John Francis Flynn says, look over the

32:28

wall, see the sky, at

32:31

14, This is the Kit and Careful of

32:33

Your Keepers, at 13, Drop

32:35

Cherries from Biddy Martin, at

32:37

12, Thea Gilmour's self-titled album,

32:39

and at 11, Crum

32:41

from Oxl. And

32:48

then at 10, we have a new

32:50

entry from the great Welsh singer and

32:52

songwriter, Martin Joseph. His album,

32:55

This Is What I Want to Say,

32:57

has a stripped back acoustic focusing on

32:59

the honesty of the songs themselves. And

33:01

this is the opening track, Folding. I'm

33:24

a fast goodbye, and a

33:28

small hello, I

33:32

am folding, folding

33:36

slow, I'm

33:39

staring at the parting

33:41

of the waves, I'm

33:46

the grandeur, I'm the carnage

33:48

of these days, I

33:53

know my place, this

33:56

is all I know, I

34:01

am fauden, cold

34:04

and small I've

34:07

been pleading to a god I

34:10

cannot find But

34:15

I say it's not to bargain with

34:17

the device And

34:21

faith is such a

34:24

tenuous thing to hold See

34:28

it fade, watch

34:31

me I

34:58

am fauden, cold and small And

35:04

the day won't let it be, it won't

35:07

give no rest But

35:11

no one's gonna notice from

35:14

my fate Though

35:17

I define the

35:21

steady flow I

35:25

am fauden, cold

35:28

and slow I

35:32

surrender to the promise of

35:35

this day Of

35:39

a moon and a

35:41

cheerless face My

35:46

heavy eyes, my

35:49

your sanity I

35:54

am fauden, be

35:56

safe with me I

36:05

am folding like a kite, flossed

36:08

the wind. I'm

36:12

holding to the remnant of

36:15

these sands, To

36:18

a vast goodbye in a

36:22

small hello. Folding,

36:29

folding slow. I

36:34

am folding, folding

36:38

slow. Martin

36:46

Joseph went folding from his album This

36:48

Is What I Want to Say, new

36:50

at ten in this man's home. At

37:06

nine the tumbling patties with the

37:08

journey so far lie. I am

37:11

holding to the remnant of these sands,

37:13

To a vast goodbye in

37:17

a small hello. I am holding to

37:19

the remnant of these sands,

37:21

To a vast goodbye in

37:23

a small hello. At

37:27

eight Leethra O'Neill says all of this is

37:29

chance. He's

37:32

all for me, but you're

37:34

chasing down the sea.

37:38

Look at him young, oh,

37:41

oh, oh, oh. He's

37:46

all for me,

37:49

everything more than the eye

37:51

and the soul.

37:56

At seven Scary War and Tempest,

37:59

and then at six and- intriguing new entry.

38:01

It's a three CD box

38:03

set paying tribute to the

38:05

legendary Soho Club Les Couzins,

38:07

Les Cousins, the cousins, I

38:09

don't know how you pronounce it, we'll ask our

38:12

guest in a moment, but it

38:14

was a place where you could go in Soho to

38:17

this smoky basement and hear some amazing

38:19

artists in the folk and blues scene

38:21

in the 1960s. The compilation

38:23

has been put together by Ian A.

38:25

Anderson who played there himself and he's

38:28

been telling me more about the club.

38:30

It was a very dark and smoky

38:32

cellar down a long steep

38:34

set of stairs off Greek Street right

38:37

in the heart of Soho and

38:39

it was quite often packed with

38:41

people who you could hardly see in the dark.

38:44

It had a small stage with one microphone which

38:46

was one more than most folk clubs had

38:49

in those days and you

38:51

know pretty commonly there would be a

38:54

male solo guitarist hunched over that one

38:56

microphone trying to get the voice of

38:58

the guitar as close to it as

39:00

possible. People like Janssen, Al

39:03

Stewart and you know. I was

39:05

going to say the names that appeared there

39:07

were people who went on to have extraordinary

39:10

careers weren't they? Yeah I mean

39:12

I remember one of the first all-nighters that

39:14

I went to which was a bit about

39:16

1966 where Noah Murphy was the MC and

39:19

he would jokingly put people

39:21

on and make disparaging comments about them and at

39:23

four o'clock in the morning he put on this

39:26

little American guy who was Paul Simon

39:28

except he wasn't that Paul Simon at that time

39:30

if you see what I mean. He was just

39:32

working his way around the English folk clubs. So

39:35

how did you find it? I think

39:37

like very many people

39:40

the Melody Maker Folk Forum which was

39:42

a page every week had loads and

39:45

loads of adverts and the

39:47

cousins always advertised and

39:50

that was enormously helpful when it came to

39:52

compiling this this box and

39:54

I can't quite remember

39:56

what was the first one

39:58

I went down for. I remember being very

40:01

attracted by the John Remmore and Doris Henderson

40:03

album when it came out, but my big

40:05

hero at the time was Spider John Kerner,

40:08

who toured quite regularly. And I remember, once,

40:11

it kind of been the first time, I remember we gave

40:13

him a lift up from Bristol

40:16

and he put me and Al Jones on

40:18

in the small hours to do probably

40:20

my first spot down

40:22

there. And David Graham got up

40:24

and played bongos with us. It

40:26

was that sort of place. And

40:29

you appeared regularly. Did you MC from time

40:31

to time? Only a little. I went from

40:33

66 through to late 69. After that, I

40:35

was back in Bristol

40:40

and we'd started our Village Thing label and I

40:42

was kind of very otherwise occupied. But there were

40:44

odd points. I used to go regularly. I mean,

40:46

I'd come back when I was living in London,

40:49

you'd come back from gigs and the all-nighters were

40:51

on. So rather than go home to your bedside,

40:53

you'd go down to the cousins

40:55

to stay up all night. I remember Al

40:58

Jones and I had a Thursday night residency

41:00

at one point, but it was just wonderful.

41:02

I've heard a joke about the name. You're

41:04

calling it the Cousins. One of the

41:07

people who thought it was actually named after

41:09

the proprietor who was called Les Cousins.

41:11

Exactly. Who's this? Where is Les? Have

41:13

you seen Les? It's a bit like

41:15

those old privatisation adverts. Hey, tell Les.

41:19

What made you want to put together

41:21

this box set, this wonderful compilation that

41:23

you've created now? Well, I always

41:25

had enormous nostalgia for the place, but

41:27

mainly Cherry Red very kindly did a

41:29

box set of all my first five

41:31

albums a few years back. And

41:34

John Reed there said, were there any projects

41:36

that appeal to me? Because they do a

41:38

lot of really good incesting

41:41

compilations and weird stuff in

41:43

that era. And that one immediately leapt into

41:45

my head. It took a long time. It

41:47

took 18 months, two

41:49

years to get together because first of

41:51

all, I had to go through all

41:53

the Cousins adverts and speak to

41:56

Diana Matthew and Borrow and his old diaries to

41:58

find out how to do it. was

42:00

booked. I mean in the end we decided it

42:02

would just be people who'd been booked there because

42:04

if you went on rumour as

42:06

to who played there, I mean since

42:08

this has come out we've had a

42:11

verified report of Joni Mitchell doing a

42:13

floor spot down there. The

42:15

stories which we thought were apocryphal about Jimi

42:17

Hendrix turned out to be true, there's lots

42:19

of reports of that. I mean there's been

42:22

rumoured sightings of Paul

42:24

McCartney and things like that, none of which we

42:26

can confirm. So we just thought we'd stick to

42:28

the people who'd been advertised or were in Andy's

42:30

diary. That was more than enough and that was

42:32

100 and they had to kind of whittle

42:35

it down. There were people whose traps

42:37

should have been on there who we

42:39

couldn't get because nobody would admit to

42:41

owning the masters from that era. Who

42:44

was making the artistic choices? Who was

42:46

picking these names to come and play?

42:49

Oh Andy I suppose, Andy Matthews who was

42:51

the son of the people who ran

42:53

the wonderful Greek restaurant upstairs. There's a

42:55

lot of story about that in the

42:57

notes in the box but it was

42:59

a family concern but he

43:02

really cared about the music and people

43:05

would recommend, I mean there was a

43:07

strong link between the Kessens and the

43:09

Bristol Troubadour and artists like John Rembore

43:11

would come down to Bristol and would

43:13

spot people like Al Jones or Sally

43:15

Alberfield and recommend them to the Kessens

43:18

and they'd go up there and they'd come in with

43:20

a win behind them. I mean

43:22

one of the first people who took

43:24

me under his wing was Alexis Corner who

43:26

became my kind of mentor at the time

43:28

and he ran all night. I just hid

43:30

all night at Jimmy Hendrix, got

43:32

up and played on, you know, amazing

43:35

notes. Well there's very little

43:37

film footage surviving of Le

43:39

Cousin or the Kessens and

43:42

you kind of sent me a link to a

43:44

video on YouTube which does show John

43:47

Rembore and the Janssen John

43:49

Rembore playing. I mean

43:51

that's an astonishing of

43:54

the atmosphere. Does it do it justice do you

43:56

think? It does to a certain extent. I mean

43:58

it's such a shame that it's... It

44:00

was so dark and smoking in there. I mean,

44:02

Brian Shaw, who was the famous photographer of that

44:04

era who photographed things like, you know, Bob Dylan

44:06

doing floor spots at the King and Queen, he

44:08

said he went down there a few times with

44:10

his camera. It was so dark and so smoking

44:12

and he didn't like to use flash. So

44:15

he never got anything. There's just that one

44:17

bit of film which I believe is a

44:19

Danish TV documentary. I think

44:21

Roy Harper recorded a live album down

44:24

there and that's about it. There's nothing

44:26

that exists. Otherwise, it would make a

44:29

fantastic TV documentary, but the material is just

44:31

not there. Well, your album obviously brings that

44:33

era back to life, but we're going to

44:35

play a little clip from that Danish TV

44:38

documentary now of John Renbourn in action. Ian,

44:40

thank you very much indeed for joining us.

44:42

It's a pleasure. I was so pleased to

44:44

do this whole thing all along. A labour

44:47

of love. Indeed. Won't

45:05

prove your destiny

45:25

I like to fuck the world,

45:27

sir I

45:36

laid down last

45:38

night trying

45:41

to take my rest I

45:46

laid down last night

45:49

trying to take my rest

45:54

You know my mind got to work

45:56

Remember that I quite a few

45:58

things Thank

46:15

you. My

46:42

back door Sunday. Said

46:49

the sun's gonna shine on

46:51

my back door Sunday. You

46:56

know the wind's gonna blow, gonna

46:58

blow my blues away. I

47:08

know my baby,

47:11

she's bound to love me so.

47:16

I know my woman,

47:20

she's bound to love me so.

47:25

Why she throws her arms around

47:27

me like a circle around the

47:29

sun. Thank

47:55

you. Quite

48:07

amazing to see that archive footage

48:09

of John Renbourn playing at Les Cozzens.

48:12

The compilation put together by Ian Anderson

48:14

shoots into the chart this month at

48:16

number six. Before

49:05

Johnnie Flynn and Robert McFarlane with The

49:07

Moon Also Rises A the

50:00

official folk albums chart show. It's lovely to

50:02

have you on. Oh it's

50:04

lovely to be here, fantastic. I

50:06

thought you might be too grand to come on

50:09

our little show, now you've had two movies out.

50:12

Yeah it was always a struggle, it was

50:15

a struggle. I got fairly grand after just

50:17

one but I'm a huge fan now but

50:19

no. So tell

50:21

us about the effect that those films

50:24

have had on the fortunes of the

50:26

Fisherman's friends. It's

50:28

been terrifically good

50:31

for our live performances.

50:33

So we've just getting

50:36

one sellout tour after another to be honest

50:38

with you. I think mostly off the back

50:40

of that and off the back of the

50:43

musical as well but our name's obviously up

50:45

there and people have enjoyed the films which

50:48

is great and when they come to see

50:50

the real thing we have to make sure

50:52

they're not disappointed now. Yeah they're not expecting

50:54

to see James Pure for you or Daniel

50:57

Mayes or somebody like that. Yeah

50:59

they're great. I mean we got on

51:01

very well with the cast, you know,

51:03

they're very very nice people and James

51:05

in fact still visits quite quite regularly.

51:07

He comes in a couple of times

51:10

a year now as does Davey

51:12

Hayman and yeah so

51:15

it's always great to see them and nice

51:18

guys. I know you appeared in the

51:20

first film were you in the second one as well? Yeah

51:23

it was a bit tricky the second

51:25

one because they were under sort of

51:27

Covid restrictions of various sorts so what

51:29

they chose to do was to put

51:31

a lot of footage

51:34

on the end of

51:36

the year we went to Glastonbury

51:38

and did the pyramid

51:41

stage which all seems a

51:43

bit mad doesn't it really. That must have

51:45

been an amazing experience John how did it

51:47

feel to have all those thousands of people

51:49

in front of you? It was

51:52

fantastic. I mean it was

51:54

early on a Sunday morning which is quite

51:56

funny so I think most people

51:58

think thank you. their own lucky

52:00

stars that they were too hung over to come out and listen

52:02

to us. But we

52:04

did manage to get quite a little crowd

52:06

by the end of it. We

52:10

were backstage and we had a little

52:12

dressing room for the 10 of

52:15

us that were in the group then. I

52:19

think it was Beyonce

52:21

or JLo, one of

52:23

the greats was on

52:25

that afternoon and her

52:27

entourage and whatnot completely

52:29

surrounded our little dressing

52:31

room. So she had her outfit's

52:34

room, she had the room for her

52:36

rider which is obviously like a banquet

52:39

and all sorts of other

52:41

things and we were sort of plonked in the

52:43

middle a little bit. You

52:46

must sometimes pinch yourselves don't you when you

52:48

get in these grand places? It

52:51

doesn't seem quite right but I hope you

52:53

can tell, we're all pretty

52:55

grounded really. We

52:57

were discovered as gentlemen of a certain

53:00

age so we'd all been around the

53:02

block a little bit in

53:04

our ordinary working lives

53:06

beforehand. So I don't think anyone

53:09

was under any delusions of

53:11

grandeur really and we'd just gone with it

53:14

and in our quieter months off

53:16

stage we chuckled to one another and said really?

53:20

Well now this album's done really well. When you

53:22

came to choose the tracks for it, what was

53:24

the rule of thumb? How did you choose what

53:27

songs to put on it? Well

53:29

the last couple of tours we've been

53:31

slowly introducing some new material that each

53:33

of us, the

53:35

way we pick the songs for the

53:38

group is as individuals we, there's

53:42

six or seven of us that pick

53:44

what songs we want to sing with

53:46

the group live and we

53:48

rehearse them and practice them and if they work

53:50

then we go ahead and have them. It's

53:53

rare that we can't make a song work

53:55

really so that the criteria is

53:58

that the person that's going to sing the lead

54:00

because we all sing the lead in quite

54:21

nice for the audience that there's a

54:30

couple of songs we want to do live

54:32

and if they work live we think right

54:34

okay that will probably do for the next

54:36

album and then the

54:38

seafaring theme runs through

54:41

it but I've been listening to the album just now

54:43

and I'll tell you what the abiding

54:46

theme is you can't get the damn chins

54:48

out of your head. They're so

54:50

catchy. Yeah I

54:52

know it is annoying. You know I have my

54:55

first proper listen through to it.

54:58

The other weekend we were coming down from we'd

55:00

had a couple of great nights

55:02

one in Chichester and then one

55:04

in Basingstoke and we came from Basingstoke down

55:07

to Torquay's. It was like a four-hour run

55:10

and I just had my

55:12

Apple music on. I thought I'll have a

55:14

listen to our own album then rather than

55:16

the soul-funkin acid jazz that I normally listen

55:18

to. You

55:21

can have too much shanties. Anyway

55:24

I thought well I'll have a little

55:26

listen and actually if you're allowed to

55:28

be impressed with what's been put

55:30

out there in your name and that you've done

55:33

yourself I was quietly very proud

55:35

of what we've done. I think

55:37

it's well produced and has plenty

55:39

of variety on it and it's

55:41

all within our genre of seafaring

55:44

stuff so yeah I was really

55:46

really pleased with it. Of course

55:48

the live experience is the best

55:50

way to experience Fisherman's

55:52

Friends in my view and we've

55:55

got a little video to play a view

55:57

at the Port Isaac Chanty

55:59

Festival. last year in 2023. Was

56:02

that a great occasion? Yeah, it

56:04

is a good occasion. It's one of

56:06

the first festivals of the year, you

56:09

know, anywhere really, I guess, because it's

56:11

been done in April. I mean, we don't

56:13

organise it ourselves. It's people who

56:16

are trying to raise money for our village

56:18

hall, which is one of the guys' wives

56:20

is breaking on doing that. And we do

56:22

have a lovely village hall as a result

56:25

of it, probably the nicest in the county.

56:28

So that's the pretext

56:30

it's done on. And

56:32

it's so well subscribed that we

56:35

can't do it down by the harbour, which is

56:37

a great shame because we've got this beautiful old

56:39

harbour here. But so many people

56:41

come, we've got no option really but to drop

56:43

in the playing fields. But even

56:46

from there, there's a fabulous view

56:48

out over Port Isaac Bay, looking

56:50

right up to Tintagio Head. And

56:53

so, yeah, it works nicely I remember it

56:55

well from our visit there for Folk on

56:57

Foot, John, it was absolutely amazing. We're going

57:00

to play Round the Corner Sally, which is

57:02

one of the tracks from the album. Tell

57:04

us about that song. Round

57:06

the Corner Sally, well, it's about the corner

57:08

in question is Cape Horn. And

57:11

it's, you know,

57:13

envisaging the way cruise

57:15

of ships would have been 150, 200 years ago, you know, it

57:20

was hard physical work. So they had to be young

57:22

men, you know, young fit men, you

57:25

know, from their, I guess,

57:27

early teens, a lot of times up

57:29

until their 30s. And the senior members

57:32

of the crew would have been, you know, guys in their

57:34

middle eight, I think. And of

57:36

course, what goes with young men

57:38

going abroad in groups

57:41

of young men, they would be

57:43

fond of looking out for ladies

57:45

wherever they went. And this song

57:47

was about the way that sailors

57:50

from Northern Europe would have perceived

57:53

the beautiful girls of Polynesia, Round

57:56

the Corner Sally and the

57:58

adventures that they had there. John,

58:00

it's always a joy to talk to you. Thank

58:02

you so much for joining us on the official

58:05

Phone Albums Chart Show. Here's Round the Call of

58:07

Sally. Bye bye. The king is here

58:09

to mine. That's the one

58:11

on the left. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

58:13

no. On the other side of the

58:15

horn. There's the right opponent, Sally, ladies and

58:17

gentlemen. This is the one on the left. Ready.

58:28

On the left side of the horn.

59:59

You We must go,

1:00:05

we don't care, we

1:00:08

never go. We'll

1:00:25

put some joy into your life. Round

1:00:27

and on the side, they'll make you

1:00:29

wanna leave your wife. Round and

1:00:32

on the side, we'll cross

1:00:34

the road and the sun is peeling

1:00:36

out of us. We'll be the

1:00:38

same, the sun is going to go to the evil spot.

1:00:42

We don't care, we never go home.

1:00:46

We don't care, we never

1:00:48

go home. We

1:00:51

don't care, we never go home.

1:01:20

We don't care, we

1:01:22

never go home.

1:01:50

We never go home. We

1:01:52

never go home. We

1:01:54

never go home. I

1:02:00

never met a woman

1:02:02

like you, and I'm not

1:02:05

a man. She

1:02:12

just said she went to the office and

1:02:14

she said she wanted to come up

1:02:16

in the office and she said, hey,

1:02:18

look, I'm here. I never met

1:02:21

a woman like you, and I'm

1:02:23

not a man. I

1:02:26

never met a woman

1:02:28

like you, and I'm not

1:02:31

a man. I

1:02:59

don't know where is mine. I can

1:03:01

feel it while you are broke. I never

1:03:03

was a Dundalk man who was an arthrog.

1:03:06

You held me in your

1:03:08

arms. Me

1:03:11

had begun to miss

1:03:15

The only bloody tone I

1:03:17

know is underneath me back. I'm

1:03:44

gonna give up on the night.

1:03:48

I'm gonna give it to you. I'm

1:03:51

gonna give it to you. The

1:04:04

Mary Wallipers topping the chart with their

1:04:06

album Irish Rock and Roll. Congratulations to

1:04:09

them. Don't forget the new episode of

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