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See mintmobile.com. For

1:28

today's show, it's a chance to listen to

1:30

a brilliant conversation that took place during lunch in

1:32

the third test of 5. Johnny Bierstow

1:35

coming into the test under a bit

1:37

of pressure and ahead of his 100th test

1:40

later this week on TalkSport 2. That

1:43

remains the same. Two people who've known

1:45

him throughout his career are Darren Gough, who's

1:47

been in and around the Yorkshire set-up throughout

1:50

Johnny's career, and of course Steve

1:52

Harmison. And the two sat down with

1:54

TalkSport crickets Neil Manthorpe to discuss

1:56

Johnny ahead of his milestone

1:58

moment. Remember, we have plenty of cricket

2:00

content like this across the talks about cricket YouTube

2:02

channel so head over there and hit subscribe but

2:05

for now enjoy as Darren Goff

2:08

and Steve Harmison talk about

2:10

Johnny Bestow And

2:20

Bestow goes to smack him over mid-wicket

2:22

which he does clean as a whistle

2:24

what a sound that made off the

2:26

bat he goes to a hundred with

2:28

a stroke to remember and we know

2:30

what Johnny's credentials are, he's a good

2:32

player of spin Bestow will sweep, sweeps

2:35

hard, sweeps for four strike make 58,

2:37

12th century, 12th swept,

2:41

pass made by Johnny Bestow for

2:43

own square on the left side and

2:45

he leaps in the air it's been an

2:47

excellent knock from Johnny Bestow, his natural instinct

2:49

is to attack and he's done that every

2:51

time he's been given the opportunity to

2:53

do so that's straight and just blocked

2:56

oh for six, just over the head

2:58

and mid-on and I mean

3:00

blocked, no follow through from Johnny Bestow

3:03

a remarkable shot, a brilliant shot of

3:05

course John, what am I hearing? Did

3:07

I hear that Johnny Beirstow virtually lifted

3:09

one of the protests and manhandled them

3:11

off? Johnny Bestow has just

3:13

essentially rugby tackled one of the

3:15

protesters to the floor and

3:17

then assisted in helping to pick them up and

3:20

move them off the field careening

3:22

all over his face, he's got the

3:24

helmet off now he's loving

3:26

it, fantastic century by Englishman and he needed

3:28

it boy did his team need it, here

3:30

he comes again and blows the beer so

3:32

hit the straight, down the ground bang, six

3:35

more chest

3:37

in the middle of the world, Winston Walker

3:39

stands he's made his love

3:41

for Johnny Bestow, he's loving it I mean,

3:44

you know, he's an old school Yorkshire guy

3:46

so you can't be too surprised you're

3:53

listening to live and exclusive coverage

3:55

of the fourth test match between

3:57

India and England here on Talksmoor. two

4:00

where at lunch England have limped

4:02

to 112 for five and

4:05

we'll have commentary on the afternoon session

4:07

in around 25 minutes or

4:09

so. But over lunch we'll be focusing

4:11

as you've heard on the career of

4:14

Johnny Bearstow. He's currently playing his 99th

4:16

Test Match and could

4:18

make his 100th Test appearance, his 17th

4:20

Englishman to do so in the fifth

4:22

test in Durham-Charlen next month. But here

4:25

he was talking to our very own

4:27

Steve Harmison a couple of weeks ago

4:29

about his return to fitness after that

4:32

horrendous ankle injury playing under Stokes and

4:34

McCollum and his current role in the

4:36

team. I want to talk

4:38

about you specifically Johnny and last

4:41

summer, difficult summer, just give us a

4:43

little indication of what you had to

4:45

go through to get fit for the

4:47

Ashes because it was a pretty horrendous

4:49

injury wasn't it? Yeah it wasn't ideal, the

4:52

injury wasn't ideal but we've moved

4:54

on from that now and it was at

4:59

times challenging was the recovery.

5:02

It was also the unknown side of it as well because you

5:04

don't know how your ankle is going to react, you don't know

5:06

how your body is going to react and what

5:09

you are potentially able to do

5:11

and able not to do again. But at the

5:13

same time you full steam ahead with it. You

5:16

have a goal in mind and that was

5:18

to get back playing for Yorkshire first and then to try

5:21

and get picked in the Ashes

5:23

and that fortunately happened and

5:27

no point is the Ashes series an easy series to

5:29

be in and be a part of and to get

5:31

through that and my ankle get through that

5:35

unscathed in a better place than

5:37

when it started in many ways

5:40

was something I am really happy with. I spoke to you

5:42

on I think it was day two or day three about

5:46

the transformation of your sort of body, the

5:48

fitness levels you had, the spring in your

5:50

step you had during that first innings when

5:52

you and Joe were batting. After the World

5:54

Cup was it the first

5:56

time probably since the injury happened that

5:58

you could I've got time here

6:01

to get fit for India because it was all

6:03

about getting fit for the Ashes then getting fit

6:05

for the World Cup You look you

6:07

look a lot I think a lot

6:09

not so much fitter but a lot more a Little

6:12

bit more spring in your step when you when you

6:14

were at me obviously when you're batting at the crease

6:16

Yeah, I think it was a case of a race

6:18

against time wasn't it to get back You

6:21

know what it's like when you've been injured yourself,

6:23

and you just want to get back on the path You want

6:25

to get back out there you want to chase in a tail?

6:27

Absolutely, and you want to get back out there with you your

6:29

pals on the field you want to you want to be out

6:31

there You don't want to be sat missing the

6:34

biggest series that There is playing

6:37

against Australia So

6:39

you do push yourself to Extreme,

6:42

but like you say there was a little bit of time

6:44

off after the World Cup Had

6:48

didn't go to the West Indies so had those five

6:50

six weeks where I was really able to Knuckle

6:53

down it wasn't necessarily the easiest

6:55

time over Christmas the new year But

6:58

you have to crack on you have to do it So

7:01

so look coming out here. I was What's

7:04

my bad? I'll be just before we came out. I was really

7:06

happy with the place that I was in And

7:09

yeah, like I say it's it's one

7:11

of those things that you just the graft and get

7:13

through What's it like to

7:15

play for this cricket? It's great fun.

7:17

I think that's the the first thing it's It's

7:20

a fun environment to be around you've got the lads

7:23

that Constantly

7:25

taking the mic out of each other you've got the lads are

7:27

constantly pushing each other to do better You've

7:30

got the guys that are constantly talking about the

7:32

positive side of it I think as a

7:35

general nation at times we can be

7:37

quite negative around a lot of things and

7:39

putting that positive spin on on

7:42

bits and empowering people to go out there

7:44

and Play in a slightly

7:46

different way than what is normally

7:48

an English type of playing

7:51

of the game Playing of

7:53

sport is something that I think

7:55

this group has really relished and we've fully

7:58

engulfed ourselves in the environment and how

8:01

we want to go about playing it and it's

8:03

a longer term mission that Ben and Brendan

8:06

have set themselves out on. And speaking

8:08

about them, just give us

8:10

a little insight into the dressing room when

8:12

things are going well and what

8:15

the message is driven and maybe the

8:17

message in that when

8:19

things aren't going so well, is

8:22

it the same message, is it driven the same

8:24

way, as you mentioned the clarity of thought, is

8:27

it always as positive as what it seems to

8:29

the outside when people are watching

8:31

who's on the field? I think it's about not panicking. We're

8:35

well aware that we've got people in that dressing

8:37

room that are able to play in certain ways that

8:39

if you have a session or

8:42

two then you can gain parity very quickly and

8:45

you're able to shift pressure and momentum

8:47

back onto the opposition and that's with bat and

8:49

ball. So I

8:51

think that everything is around,

8:53

just staying as calm as possible and

8:56

the belief that you have within your own

8:58

game to be able to go and

9:00

express yourself rather than bunkering down at times. Yes, you

9:02

do have to bunk it down. When we were in

9:04

the last game when he was reverse swinging it, you

9:07

have to be able to absorb pressure but when you've

9:09

absorbed pressure you need to then be able to put

9:11

pressure back onto the opposition because

9:13

if you're applying that pressure then they

9:15

will make mistakes and then you're able

9:18

to capitalise from those. In clarity about

9:20

you, you've gained pattern, wheel keeper, pattern,

9:22

wheel keeper, three, four, five, six,

9:24

seven. How

9:27

difficult is that first and foremost

9:30

but how good is it in this series that

9:32

you know, right, I'm coming at number five, I'm

9:34

not having to keep in wicket and I've got

9:36

five test matches for an injury to go and

9:38

try and be the best Tony Besto I possibly

9:40

can. Yes, look it's been part and parcel with

9:42

my career hasn't it? It's nothing new. It's

9:46

something that you just crack on with and in many ways

9:48

it's a compliment on me because

9:51

I'm fortunate that I'm able to keep

9:53

wicket but also play as a specialist

9:55

batter and that's the way I've got

9:57

to look at it. you

10:00

know unlike you invest a lot of energy in

10:02

everything that you do whether you play as a

10:04

batter, whether you play as a wicket keeper, whatever

10:06

it is I invest wholeheartedly in everything I do

10:08

for this cricket team

10:10

and I'll always keep doing that. That

10:14

was Johnny Best talking to Steve

10:16

Harmison in the physical

10:18

partner a couple of weeks ago

10:20

just before the second chess match

10:22

of this series. He is

10:24

no doubt he used the

10:26

word wholehearted himself and that is something

10:28

that absolutely nobody would

10:31

ever imagine questioning. He is

10:33

one of the most wholehearted

10:35

cricketers ever to

10:37

represent anybody actually, not just England. I

10:40

mean he gives as he said a

10:42

hundred percent. The question

10:44

is will he be remembered as

10:46

somebody who blew hot and cold? He

10:49

hasn't been a relentless run machine has

10:51

he? But in six years

10:54

since his test career began he's averaged less than

10:56

thirty but my goodness me there are

10:58

a couple of truly extraordinary

11:00

years. In 2016 in seven

11:02

chess matches he averaged 75.3 and then the golden summer which

11:08

will be remembered for the beginning of basketball for

11:11

which he's been the flag bearer in many

11:13

ways. In 2022 he scored four hundreds

11:15

in five innings averaging 75

11:17

and a couple of chess matches

11:20

we'll never forget that signaled the

11:22

beginning of of basketball. England

11:24

needed a hundred and sixty after tee on the

11:26

fifth day against New Zealand at Trent Bridge and

11:29

then again in the series deciding one-off

11:32

chess match, I know that sounds like

11:34

a contradiction against India Adjutant

11:36

a hundred in both innings when

11:39

Johnny Bisto is at his best

11:41

he is amongst the very best.

11:44

But was he at his best often enough? Yeah

11:47

I think that will

11:49

be the question about Johnny's career. When

11:53

he's on the side it's

11:55

a magnificent sight it really really is.

11:57

I've seen it at Yorkshire

12:00

and I've seen it with England and

12:02

when he's going and he's

12:04

in the zone he's a one

12:06

terrific player and he's right up there and

12:09

at parts of his career I reckon

12:11

he's been probably the best batter in the

12:13

world for a period in test cricket and

12:17

in white ball cricket there's not many achieved

12:19

that either right some have been we had

12:21

great attempts in middle of

12:23

the pack in one day but Johnny at periods

12:25

has been number one in the world basically white

12:27

ball or up there in the top two or

12:30

three and and the same it test matches

12:32

with the run the ad you've just mentioned there in 2022

12:34

I mean was just ridiculous

12:38

yeah I think similar to

12:40

you to be talking what he's gonna

12:42

be remembered by at the end

12:44

of his career because obviously he's closer to the

12:46

end than he is at the start a

12:49

little bit like Moan Ali you know

12:51

Moan Ali somebody who

12:54

was asked to fulfill a role within

12:56

a group that arguably nobody

12:58

wanted to fill and I think that's

13:00

something I've tried

13:02

to convince Johnny a couple of times in the

13:05

Caribbean and even during that interview they're trying to

13:07

say to him politely Johnny you know

13:09

it was a compliment when they took the gloves

13:11

off you because you are one of our best

13:13

batters we we aren't scoring runs for fun like

13:15

we did and we do it we are number

13:17

one in Stokes so we are

13:19

gonna take the gloves off you because we need

13:21

as much as we possibly can out of your baton

13:24

and he went from you know he went for you have

13:26

you went from three four five six

13:28

seven and eight for this team so if

13:32

anybody wants to see that he left

13:34

a few out there I think I'd

13:36

quickly rebulk that and throw it back at him

13:38

and say if I was Johnny best

13:40

or I'd be saying well I did what the team wanted

13:42

me to do and it wasn't always

13:44

what I wanted to do in my role for

13:47

the team it was what the team needed me to

13:49

do and I think when you've got

13:51

players like that Mo and Ali you could say to

13:54

Sam did he leave a few things out there I'd

13:56

say no you know that these guys did things for

13:59

the group that nobody else could do

14:01

we call find number three send johnny up

14:03

koff i'm the three-star model you

14:05

know we need to make it keep wicked johnny'll do

14:07

it we need to make a lot of retirement because

14:09

we don't know to spend all the ashes mona and

14:12

i will talk about johnny besto but i'll call mona

14:14

and johnny besto in the same category cuz their correct

14:16

careers crossover and i think it

14:18

was whenever england struggled to fill a role sent

14:21

for johnny send for mowin uh...

14:23

and that's not an excuse he should be

14:26

using if he didn't before it's

14:28

just i think at times he

14:30

was asked to do things when he probably didn't

14:33

want to do it because he

14:35

didn't want to give the clubs up average in forty back

14:37

at number seven you know he was a bit comfortable in

14:39

his position but

14:42

england needed him to bat and i think that is

14:44

i think that's what i

14:46

think i will be always

14:48

sort of be thankful for a johnny besto is

14:51

that when his team needed him johnny

14:53

went and did the job did he do it to the

14:55

best of his ability yes was he the right man for

14:57

that job possibly was the only man

14:59

for that job to fill a hole to pick

15:02

other players around himself for me in

15:05

a unit activities he's been a good

15:07

team he's a member of

15:09

a very small club five thousand test runs

15:11

five thousand plus test runs in a hundred

15:13

plus dismissals and there's a few great

15:16

keep keep about so i was just going you would

15:19

researching the list that during with the

15:21

listening i mean you know five five

15:23

thousand test runs and a hundred plus

15:25

dismissals it's a very small and exclusive

15:27

club is in well we tried to

15:29

get some to start with and we

15:32

got three or four did we how

15:34

the eight uh... we should

15:36

leave it out there for people to come in or do

15:38

we just give a should just give us tell them at

15:40

the end let's tell them that i think unless

15:43

you if you've got a uh...

15:46

packing from twelve euro or a database than

15:48

you won't be a challenge for you but

15:51

trying to it off the top of your head

15:53

because it's uh... it is uh... it

15:55

is remarkable uh... we

15:57

were to get five thousand runs and the

16:00

dismissals, Johnny Birstow, again, he's one

16:02

of them where he's the

16:04

a keeper, he's the abattor, he's the

16:06

abattor keeper, it's a debate we've had

16:08

for years, right, you can go all

16:11

the way back to Alan Hart, to

16:13

Alex Stewart, to Jack Russell, to Matt

16:16

Pryor, to Foster, to the only,

16:18

there's so many to read, and now the

16:20

modern day players, is it folks or is

16:23

it Johnny who's going to keep, and

16:25

we're always going to have that because you,

16:27

now in the modern game,

16:29

you've got to really have a keeper

16:31

who can get in the side as

16:33

a batter really, in the top six

16:35

or seven. Let's look at tennis players,

16:38

there are tennis players who say, yeah,

16:40

I'm a grass court specialist, that's

16:42

at Wimbledon's my game, and they're a hard

16:44

court specialist, and then you get clay court

16:46

specialists, and there's no stigma attached

16:49

to the fact that you are a very

16:51

good clay court, and the clay season is

16:53

when you cash in and you're no good

16:55

on grass, but I almost get the sense

16:57

that Johnny bristled a little bit at the

16:59

fact that, no, you're good on standing back,

17:02

but when

17:04

you need to stand up, you get a, we're

17:06

in India, we bring in a proper

17:08

glove man, and I think that

17:11

he's not enjoyed that. No, I don't think he's

17:13

enjoyed that, but I think that's more hats

17:15

off to Ben Folks, because Johnny

17:18

keeps hooking in India, the last three times

17:20

you go to India, Ben Folks is not

17:22

Ben Folks. If

17:25

there is another witter keeper who's not quite as

17:27

good as glove man as Ben Folks then and

17:29

up, then I'm not so sure England pick that

17:32

person. I'm trying to think of

17:34

keepers who were around at that time when England

17:36

came here the last two times, they've gone to

17:39

Sri Lanka. There's not many keepers in

17:42

England where you'd say, other

17:44

than Ben Folks, he is your witter keeper

17:46

specialist in the subcontinent, they would have just

17:48

gone with Johnny Bastow. So Johnny Bastow, I've

17:50

got it here, Johnny Bastow's kept with it

17:52

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19:45

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19:47

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19:49

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19:52

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19:54

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had been trying not to criticize. The.

20:00

mission of Ben Folks in the team. It's not

20:02

because I didn't think Ben Folks wasn't good enough.

20:04

It was just how do I get Harry Brooke in the team

20:06

when Harry Brooke will stand out going, come on, I'm

20:09

too good you can't not pick me. And I think

20:11

the only way you could get him in the side

20:13

is if Ben Folks didn't play and Johnny Besto came

20:15

in with Joss Butler. They also played 51 test matches.

20:17

Joss Butler, 51 test matches. So look,

20:20

I still think, you know, Folks, the

20:23

horses for courses, yes I think

20:26

that's the right selection, but Johnny's

20:28

with the gloves and without the gloves. He's

20:31

actually got a better batting record with the gloves. You have

20:33

just 37 with the gloves and 34

20:35

without the gloves. He's batted lower though hasn't he?

20:38

He's batted lower and that's a key element to

20:40

this whole thing is I think the lower down

20:42

Johnny bats the more thick

20:45

value he is from a batting point of view. You

20:47

have just 30 at number three. He didn't play many

20:49

games at four because obviously Joe's there, but you have

20:52

just ten. But then all of a sudden at five

20:54

you have just 34, at six you have just 39

20:56

and then seven

20:58

where he was obviously with the gloves,

21:00

the average is 37. So these are

21:03

these are areas, but the one key stat for

21:05

me is why I think Johnny

21:07

Besto gets more time and gets

21:10

more loyalty off this group is in 15 games

21:12

Ben Stokes has been captain,

21:14

Johnny Besto's average in 48. He's got 400 and I

21:16

think that's

21:18

why I think Ben Stokes will try

21:21

and find a way of keeping, or he's tried to

21:23

find a way of keeping Johnny Besto on his team.

21:25

It matters before 2022 if you'd have asked Johnny what

21:27

he wants to do as far as his career, what

21:30

frustrated him the most would have been he wants

21:32

to bat seven and he wanted to keep, but

21:35

then if you asked him the same question after

21:37

2022 he would have said oh no I'm happy

21:39

with it at five. Perfect, that's

21:41

where I could be batting all the time. So

21:44

again when it comes down to individual and

21:47

what it plays with your mind as well

21:49

because he saw himself getting runs at seven,

21:51

keeping okay, keeping well as well, good enough

21:53

you know to be in there. Alex Stewart

21:56

did a similar job for years and years.

21:58

I only remember Alex Stewart dropping catch-off

22:00

me in the catch-backs that I played.

22:03

And people say that, oh well he's not as good

22:05

as Jack Russell. Alex Stewart was a

22:07

good keeper, right? But he was also someone who

22:09

could bat anywhere between one and six. You ask

22:11

him where he wanted to bat, he'd say one.

22:14

But he played everywhere and it's always going to be a

22:16

bit, it's going to go on and on this for years

22:18

and years and years. We're always going to have this discussion.

22:21

But for me, Johnny and his

22:23

best place would have been at

22:25

seven and keeping with it all the time. That

22:28

is my personal opinion on Johnny Bearstalk.

22:30

You might disagree now, but I think seven and keep.

22:32

I think he comes back in the summer and keeps

22:35

with it. I think he will come back in the

22:37

summer and keep with it and back in number seven.

22:39

You've seen with this England team

22:41

and where the management goes, they

22:43

will pick the

22:46

best team for the right situation for

22:48

the next Test match. And

22:50

it wouldn't surprise me if Harry Brooke walks back in the

22:52

team because he's too good of a player not to walk

22:54

back in the team. He comes back

22:56

in at number five and Johnny Bearstalk

22:59

goes to number seven. If he doesn't

23:01

get any runs in the next innings and next

23:03

Test, then England might look to

23:05

go, oh when is

23:07

the ashes? Can Johnny Bearstalk get me

23:10

to the ashes? Obviously they prefer him

23:12

standing back is to standing up. If

23:15

the feel is that he can get him to the ashes,

23:17

then I think Johnny might play in the summer. If he

23:19

doesn't play in the summer, then you might see something like

23:21

Ollie Robinson from Durham, Jamie Smith.

23:24

Probably it's gone cooler a

23:26

little bit on something like

23:28

Jamie Smith. But England will England

23:31

in English conditions or

23:33

in Australia. I think they'll want

23:36

a batter at number

23:38

seven rather than Ben Foulkes. Just before

23:40

we run out of time, we've only

23:42

got five minutes left. A

23:44

little bit about Johnny, the person, the

23:46

character, the personality, the closeness

23:48

to his family having lost his father David at

23:50

the age of just eight, who

23:53

was also famous with

23:55

Bluey, keep a

23:57

batter for Yorkshire. And

24:00

also the

24:02

character that Johnny has become, I

24:04

mean he's famous redhead, you know

24:07

prickly, hot tempered. But

24:09

sometimes the team have loved that part

24:11

of him and you know when

24:14

they needed to fall in behind somebody

24:16

they've kind of pushed Johnny to the

24:18

fore when things got heated or you

24:20

know the battle was on metaphorically

24:23

against the Australians most famously.

24:26

And I think that the team have enjoyed

24:29

having that hostility amongst the ranks.

24:32

With Johnny, obviously I played

24:35

with his dad David at Yorkshire for a

24:37

few years in my early career. Great

24:42

man, good player, gutsy player, tough player, you'd

24:44

want him on your side and

24:47

Johnny's very much followed in his footsteps

24:49

as far as that's concerned his personality

24:51

and everything is exactly the same. I

24:54

remember holding Johnny in my arms when he was a baby,

24:56

I think he was about one and a half

24:58

two, grew

25:00

up seeing him coming to the cricket, massive,

25:03

massive cricket family. And

25:07

to see him mature over the years and

25:09

when I first saw him playing, such

25:12

a talented sportsman whether it be hockey,

25:14

rugby, I know he says

25:16

football but trust me he really said football,

25:18

rugby was decent, hockey very good and

25:21

he became a cricket player. As

25:23

soon as I saw him play you thought, dear

25:25

me he's going to play for England, absolutely

25:27

going to play for England, quality, quality

25:29

player, good striker of a cricket ball,

25:31

all format, never going to be an

25:34

issue and he's gone on and proved

25:36

that right. If he gets 200

25:38

tests which he should do, it's been a

25:40

terrific career he has had and

25:42

he is prickly and he is a mourner

25:44

and he is miserable but I'll tell you

25:46

what, when I was going through a

25:48

difficult period he was Sri Lanka just a few years

25:50

ago and this is where Johnny stands out and he

25:52

stands up as a man, is when

25:55

you are going through personal problems he picks

25:57

up the phone, he comes to see you. a

26:00

friend to suicide and he rang

26:02

me immediately when he found out and

26:05

he came to see me the next morning when he

26:07

was playing in a test match and

26:09

that's the man you know so you

26:11

want him on your side he's a terrific

26:13

character he has all those negative

26:16

things that can be a pain in

26:18

the butt but you're allowed one in

26:20

the dressing room once you get three or four

26:22

like johnny it's game over but

26:24

you're allowed one possibly two same as

26:27

you're allowed probably one or possibly two a mean

26:29

a dressing room right but

26:31

he's but as we keep going

26:34

back he's a fantastic person

26:36

he's been through a lot of trauma in his life

26:38

a lot of trauma in his life but

26:40

he's developed into an unbelievable cricketer and he's

26:43

a family man himself very much a family

26:45

man and he's a father now as well

26:47

yeah he's got a kind heart that's what

26:49

i would take away to give

26:51

people he's got a kind heart that

26:53

rough exterior that goff he mentions but there is

26:55

a kind heart in there he wants to be

26:58

loved i think people putting their arm

27:00

around him and telling johnny how good you are

27:02

pumping your tires up nothing wrong with that that

27:04

was a york's thing sitting

27:07

next to coffee you pump goff his tires up you tell him

27:09

how much he needs to be loved and you tell him how

27:11

good he is and he goes out there and

27:13

he performs his numbers do you

27:15

know what at the end of his career whenever it

27:17

be after the next test match in three years time

27:19

after the ashes whatever his numbers

27:22

might not represent what his

27:24

talent was but i'll tell you what i think

27:26

he's a value to the team and value to

27:28

the group at situations in times for me far

27:30

outweighs that forget these numbers it's what his value

27:32

is and i think there's times in his career

27:35

where he's been so valuable for england whether he's

27:37

doing a job that he didn't really want to

27:39

do and he was doing it for the team

27:41

or he was putting some difficult situations i think

27:44

johnny bestow has been one hell of a cricketer for england

27:47

don't forget his numbers because they're pretty good but don't

27:49

focus on them don't make either of them your main

27:52

center of attention we're talking about johnny

27:54

bestow of course who we all

27:56

hope will play his

27:58

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