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That is the end of everybody. Oh it goes first question.

4:10

We have is from grace Grace

4:12

is everyone's talking about how sorry they feel for

4:15

Harry Kane this week Of course round would be

4:17

by Munich and can will new be winning a

4:19

trophy this season Now Grace

4:21

goes on to say but should a football

4:23

success instead be determined by the impact They've

4:26

had on the team that in rather than

4:28

the number of trophies They may or may

4:30

not win feel like the parameters for success

4:32

and football need to be readjusted Well,

4:38

he's hopefully for his sake he

4:40

won't be an outlier for his whole career Yeah, but

4:42

at the moment he's an outlier. Yeah, he's currently a

4:44

loser cuz he's a wanna try He's not one that

4:46

single trophy in his career now clearly. He's one of

4:48

the best players in the world and has been for

4:51

some time Arguably

4:53

the best striker we've ever had England International

4:55

Golf School record would suggest that So

4:59

clearly an outlier in this in

5:01

some ways quite arbitrary way that

5:03

we you know award Achievement

5:07

reward achievements in in football, so I

5:09

totally understand the point the question I

5:11

totally get it I do think the

5:13

conversation around it can be more thoughtful

5:15

and sometimes

5:18

but then ultimately really Football is a sport and

5:20

sports have winners and losers and that's just how

5:22

it goes and I do

5:24

think although it's not the whole entire story

5:26

and Particularly someone for someone like

5:28

Kane at this point. I do

5:31

think it's kind of indicative of A

5:34

quality player when they are able

5:36

to you know win several trophies if you look

5:38

at say Ryan

5:40

gigs for example, he won 13 Premier League

5:42

trophies at United He was clearly in a

5:44

great team a legacy defining team

5:47

But he also played in that

5:49

team regularly all the time and was decent

5:52

and so therefore that is a good measure of

5:54

him Being a good player. I don't think it

5:56

should just be about trophies. So I kind of

5:58

agree with the kind of what's implied

6:00

by Grace's question, but

6:03

I do think it's a good way

6:05

of working it out. So it always

6:08

reminds me a bit of what Winston

6:10

Churchill said about democracy. It's a terrible

6:12

system, but it's the best one we've

6:14

got. It's not perfect because there are loads

6:16

of great players out there who never really get an

6:18

opportunity for different circumstances or different reasons. I

6:22

personally believe when it comes specifically

6:24

to Harry Kane, I think

6:26

he's probably been a bit unlucky. I think

6:28

he's come through at Spurs, he's found

6:31

some loyalty to Spurs. Spurs are just

6:33

timing-wise a big club who

6:35

are in a trophy drought, and that happens. It

6:38

happens to lots of clubs. So now

6:40

he's moved to Bayern Munich, I suspect things will start to

6:42

sort themselves out. They'll have it in the first season, fine.

6:44

It's not the Biel and Endel. It

6:46

probably will at some point. I think we

6:48

should certainly think about the impact that players

6:51

have on teams and their ability and their

6:53

quality as well as trophies. But I do

6:55

think trophies really for players are

6:58

the Biel and Endel really. Yeah, I think

7:00

the last sentence in Grace's message is worth

7:02

paying attention to. She says, feel like the

7:05

parameters for success in football need to be

7:07

readjusted, especially for someone like Kane. And I

7:09

think that's right in this very, very specific

7:11

example. Because if you look at the individual

7:14

achievements that Kane has, they're

7:17

pretty exceptional, really. He's

7:19

England's all-time top scorer, World Cup top

7:21

scorer, Bundesliga top scorer once, won

7:24

the Golden Boot three times in England. He's

7:26

got the individual accolades. And trophies are important.

7:28

Mere all-young player of the year as well.

7:30

Indeed. Trophies are a collective achievement in

7:32

a team sport. So I think a lack of

7:34

them is not an individual failure. I think that's

7:36

a fair thing to level towards Kane.

7:38

And I think also, as you mentioned, the time of

7:40

it is difficult because I think Spurs

7:42

have been tantalisingly close to being a team that

7:45

looked like they could win things for

7:47

basically his whole time there. If he'd come through

7:50

at, say, QPR, just to pluck a team out

7:52

of the air, not to put the boot into

7:54

them, he obviously would have left sooner. Yeah,

7:56

yeah. And he would have won things. But at Spurs... It

7:58

was in that kind of little... Was that lager hinterland?

8:00

all it was so of Little Goldilocks zone was

8:03

what Are you know what this feels like. This.

8:05

Feels like it could work and we could do

8:07

it and I just need to just need to

8:09

give another crack and so presumably you're talking about

8:12

just to give people for example list is like

8:14

to to leak out followers up. Shamsi.

8:16

One up. England. Euros

8:18

runner up yet the arm and at him and

8:20

twenty six staining exposed to the won the league

8:23

and ten close model edo era yeah credible that

8:25

that never ended with a choice. This a really

8:27

good point the gym because yaps a right to

8:29

say that. If he been at same is

8:31

never really see gonna win a major trophy. He

8:34

leaves. Years. And years before a

8:36

this but exactly yeah and a thing as you

8:38

say he's he's going to win trophies it by

8:40

in a some point. Inevitably he at the absolutely

8:42

will soon as yeah Villains Released on the Mayday

8:44

Mayday. Not. Gonna

8:46

have to stay longer. Ugly actually now have

8:48

such a hangover Next a sideline sweet that

8:51

one up or we. I simply don't know

8:53

the race and but yet you Iri is

8:55

a really important measure. He'll be devastated he

8:57

doesn't women, but I just think he will.

8:59

I think if he doesn't. I

9:02

don't think people will look back on his career

9:04

and have that as the defining point of it.

9:06

I think it will be a much larger version

9:08

of those players who play for smaller countries that

9:10

never made it through a welcome in. I don't

9:13

think they bring in there are very tiny, ultimately

9:15

was a bottle job or ultimately you have been

9:17

quite good enough because he is. He's.

9:19

Been the outstanding player in every time he been in.

9:21

really So it's not like he isn't one of these

9:24

players way look at me, think our and he got

9:26

it when it counts as he didn't in the big

9:28

games. Now he's not scored in any less. finals to

9:30

be faded post penalty way in the seats are in

9:32

for in the Heroes by Don't think he's a he's

9:35

I'm. And I think anyone really says he

9:37

not big gameplay you get people at. A

9:40

rumbled opinion isn't it? By the ending is

9:42

particularly strong. Sentiments

9:44

exactly at my things. A little bit

9:46

different actually am. I don't think people

9:48

write the Us will success on trucks.

9:50

He wins at all. Quite frankly, I

9:53

don't know what I really don't am.

9:55

And. And I think that be. Because.

9:57

Big may I remind you of John Terry? Score!

10:00

a goal, running into the crowd, beating

10:02

his chest and shouting trophies! Trophies! Trophies! I

10:04

thought that was Frank Lampard. They both did

10:06

that I think. They both do it. But

10:08

is that not the measure of...

10:11

No, I thought... At that time they

10:13

were both balls in a sack though

10:15

weren't they? I quite like Frank but

10:17

there we are. But not for that.

10:19

No, I really don't actually.

10:21

I think that it's... I

10:24

think because Kane has been so good and

10:26

had such an incredible career and won so

10:28

many individual awards. I think

10:30

people... And as well as it spurs.

10:32

There is that thing about spurs. You never win a trophy.

10:35

It's been this long and that long. And

10:37

so I think he is quite a unique

10:39

example in which we focus on the

10:41

lack of trophies. But the reason why I

10:44

don't think it's a big deal is because when you say Ryan Giggs

10:46

has won a load of trophies, that's not all

10:48

Paul Sculls say. When

10:50

I think of Paul Sculls, I

10:52

don't think back of him lifting

10:54

trophies. I think it's the

10:57

goals that I remember all the passes or the

10:59

performances. And of course some of them have come

11:01

in trophies and his little Willy popping out his

11:03

shorts. I could have connected what he was actually

11:05

doing. I

11:09

want to make it clear I was wagging

11:11

my finger. Yeah, but you coloured

11:14

it ginger for me as well.

11:17

So that's what people remember. You want

11:19

to see my trophy? You want to see

11:21

my little

11:27

ginger? Oi, Harry Kane hasn't got one of these. It's

11:31

the highlight reels and it's the way that these players

11:33

made us feel. That's the most important thing. Yeah, but

11:35

that's part of it though. That's not a romantic part

11:37

of it. No, I think that's it because when Alan

11:39

Shearer is on Match of the Day, you don't look

11:41

at him and go, ah, that black

11:44

bone robe. You look at it, he comes up the amount of

11:46

goals he's got. But this is the thing. I pleased you

11:49

mentioned Shearer because I was going to mention him and I

11:51

totally get the comparison. Similar

11:53

position, good goal score record, all

11:56

the rest of it. If Alan

11:58

Shearer had not won

12:00

that one league tonight with Blackburn, people would

12:02

absolutely be saying that as the key point

12:04

of trivia about his career for the rest

12:07

of his life. Okay, so it matters. Okay,

12:10

so let me row back slightly. I think it matters

12:12

a little bit, but I don't think it matters that

12:14

much. And then

12:16

Shearer's also got the added luxury

12:18

of being by Miles, the Premier

12:21

League top scorer, and for many,

12:23

many years, it was a

12:25

joke how far ahead he was at everyone else. But

12:27

Kane going to Germany was good for Shearer's record. And

12:30

so I think because of Harry Kane, this unique

12:32

example, because of his goal scoring exploits,

12:35

I think that people will focus on that.

12:38

And I think that he's quite a unique character

12:40

in that whole, he actually never won a major

12:42

trophy, but he's gone in search of it. And

12:45

if he doesn't get it at Barn, which

12:47

will be quite something, then I think people,

12:49

it's that weird quirk. And I think in

12:51

a generation or two, when people know the

12:53

name Harry Kane, when he appears on things

12:55

like Gary Lineker as a presenter, or certain

12:57

pundits, and people will go, Oh, am I

12:59

going to stay as Harry Kane score the rules? It will be, you

13:01

know, he never won a major trophy. But I mean, okay, but I don't

13:04

think that will influence us

13:06

on how his success

13:08

will be determined. But it is some, I

13:10

think it's a bit important, but I think

13:12

it's more important for the individual players. Gabriel

13:15

Bata Stutta and Francesco Totti, I'd like to bring to the

13:17

table, please, if I may. And I don't think you'll have

13:19

any complaints about that. Two absolute legends,

13:21

Bata Stutta, if you took away that Serie A

13:24

win for Roma, you wouldn't begrudge him.

13:26

You think of Bata goal in a Fiorentina shirt. He has

13:28

a bronze staff. But that's not the point, is it? No,

13:31

but so no, no, but the point is, I think about

13:33

80% of their career or the success will be

13:36

defined on how they played the game and what they did. I think

13:38

what we're saying about the trophies is about 20%. Now

13:40

Bata Stutta has that statue outside of

13:42

Fiorentina's ground. He is he's one of

13:45

the best strikers that we ever saw.

13:47

He was up until Messi came along,

13:49

Argentina stopped score, not too dissimilar to

13:51

Kane. And that Fiorentina side were

13:54

knocking on the door of the Serie A title for

13:56

a little bit. They were in the Champions League again.

13:58

So comparison, he's then. went to Roma.

14:01

And oddly, Roma wasn't a given. Obviously they won

14:03

the league there, but he was a part

14:06

of that helping. But he got that Serie A

14:08

title. And I think people thought, oh yeah, he

14:10

deserves that. Yeah, absolutely. But how do you not

14:12

have got that? I don't think we would look

14:14

or talk about Bata Stuta. No, but I don't

14:16

think we would either, but I think you're looking

14:18

at it the wrong way round. I

14:21

think everyone respects Bata Stuta, to use

14:23

your example, for the great player he

14:25

was, the romantic figure he portrayed, how

14:27

he looked, his power, his technical ability,

14:29

his goal scoring, all that kind of stuff.

14:32

That's fine. And no one's arguing

14:34

that point. I think the crux of the question

14:36

from Grace though is, you have to

14:38

flip it around. You have to say, if

14:41

Gabriel Bata Stuta did win 10 Serie A trophies

14:43

and four Champions Leagues, does that affect his reputation?

14:45

And of course it does. I don't know, but

14:47

if he had won a Serie A title every

14:50

single year he was in Italy, people would arguably

14:52

say he's the greatest Serie A player of all

14:54

time. So he's not as good as Filippo Nzargi

14:56

then. They massively affect their reputation, which is the

14:59

point. No, but I don't think he did, because

15:01

I think that my example there

15:03

backs it up. Totti and Bata Stuta looked

15:05

much more favorably than Filippo Nzargi, but Nzargi's

15:07

got a Champions League winner's medal. He's won

15:09

Serie A as well. In terms

15:11

of trophies and success, he's... But you're comparing

15:13

different players for a different reason there. Yeah,

15:15

because they're sort of talismanic figures, which is

15:18

a slightly different thing. Which is why that

15:20

success can be determined in different ways. I'm

15:22

saying to you that the trophy wins, the

15:24

trophy wins, somewhat there. You

15:27

can't take away... You'd

15:29

be foolish to take away what certain

15:31

players have done. And when certain pundits

15:33

it flashes up what they have achieved

15:35

in their career, absolutely. And that is

15:38

there. But I'm saying that there are examples where

15:41

had a player never won anything. Had Totti never won

15:43

that Serie A title or Bata Stuta? Okay, the Coppa

15:45

Italia, but that's not quite seen as the same as

15:47

the FA Cup here. I don't

15:49

think it changes the reputation. You could argue then

15:51

that their players are foreign players and we don't...

15:53

But no one's saying that David May is

15:55

a better player than Harry Kane because he won the Premier

15:57

League. No one's saying that. But Grace is saying... parameters

16:00

for successive football need to be readjusted for someone like

16:02

Kane and I'm saying that if he does not win

16:04

a major trophy in his career I don't

16:06

think that that would change the way

16:08

any of us would look at him. Fine

16:10

it would though because it may not change

16:12

how you look at him but if Kane

16:14

goes through his career not winning anything it

16:16

dogs him as a record light. It does

16:18

affect his reputation in loads of different ways.

16:20

Perhaps not for you because you're more thoughtful

16:23

than that but many many people will use

16:25

that as a stick to beating with and

16:28

he knows that because that's part of the reason

16:30

he's probably gone to. I think it becomes a

16:32

pub quiz question that everybody knows the answer to.

16:34

Yeah but it does. A shit pub quiz. Yeah

16:36

but yeah but just because it does I'm I'm

16:39

still not I think it's fellow professionals who do

16:41

that you know we you know in Graham Soonis

16:43

and Paul Pogba and it was all that right

16:45

bring your medals to the table how many have

16:47

you got and all that kind of stuff I

16:49

think he's been pissing up the wall contest. Yeah

16:52

Mark Lawrence did that as well didn't he? Yeah.

16:54

Laura did that once. He did and so on

16:56

a secret camera. Yeah so I honestly think

16:58

it's actually how did that player make

17:00

us feel and what the highlight reel

17:02

will be and I think that is

17:04

the. Marcus is a romantic. He's not

17:06

a romantic. I put this to you.

17:08

Lucky woman Mrs. Speller. Very lucky. Yeah.

17:10

Tom Cairnis never won it. What? He's

17:12

won the championship. He has a euro.

17:15

What happens to Kane's reputation if the only

17:18

trophy he ever wins is the euros. Well

17:20

so this is yeah you're absolutely right. I

17:22

think there's one in the chamber for that.

17:24

Yeah he's just trying to get his notes

17:26

up. Well no but I mean so I

17:28

would compare him. I think it becomes

17:30

a fig leaf. I compare him to another full-on

17:32

player George Cohen who

17:35

you know like absolutely legendary he's

17:38

hulked one club man. Now

17:40

I understand that people may sort of think well

17:42

outside of full of me I've won the World

17:45

Cup with England. So he's immortalized there it's the

17:47

only major trophy he won but not too shabby.

17:50

Slightly similar to Totti who obviously won the World Cup

17:52

but he did win that. Very very different though because

17:54

Kane is the talisman really right. Yeah. This generation's main

17:56

figure. Yeah so I think if he wins the euros

17:59

with England then. in this country that

18:01

they're being elected on the pitch. Well, it's already got, I

18:03

mean, talk about individuals, they've got an MBE for crying out

18:05

loud. We should summarize. Yes. I think

18:07

it's a great question. As Grace and everyone

18:09

else listening will hopefully hear because the impassioned

18:11

debate, it's inspired. I mean, to

18:14

me, it does matter to you, perhaps not

18:16

as much. About 20%. Yeah,

18:18

I think it's important because I think ultimately, in

18:22

summary, from my point of view, I'll just say

18:24

this. When you're a kid who wants to be

18:26

a footballer, what do you imagine it? Yeah,

18:29

you might be imagining a scorer going on a cup

18:31

final, but that's presumably because you want to win the

18:33

cup final. My take on this is that, yes, these things

18:35

are really, really important, but obviously, things

18:39

exist on a case-by-case basis. Right, and Kane

18:41

is so exceptional and he has proven

18:43

himself. So exceptional in every metric that I

18:45

think the standard is slightly different

18:47

for him. I agree. I think the individual,

18:49

close-by-case stuff is there, which is why Alan

18:51

Shearer will always be seen in a much

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20:43

Well back to the mailbag everybody. Right, look at your

20:46

next question. Yeah this is from Bob. Hi Bob. He

20:48

says now that it's Bob Duggan. Bob Duggan sorry. Sounds

20:50

like a wrestler. Bob knows who he is. He

20:53

says now that it's Richard back in the top level after

20:55

22 years what other what other long

20:58

lost club

21:03

would you return to the Barclays with

21:05

your magical Pete Donaldson engineered wand. Don't

21:07

want to talk about Pete's wand. No.

21:09

I assume you

21:12

have at least one Pete Donaldson

21:14

engineered wand in storage. That's probably

21:16

for Patreon subscribers. So

21:18

yeah which club now it's Richard back in the top flight for

21:20

the first time in 22 years which

21:23

other club I don't really like

21:25

how Bob describes clubs who were just in the

21:27

lower leagues long lost. Well I've been out of

21:29

the Premier League a long time. Yeah. Because we

21:31

made a big deal when Forrest came back it

21:33

was good to see them. I think a lot

21:36

of people found that tedious. Yeah they did. Yeah

21:38

that's fine. My friend Adam's a big Huddersfield Town

21:40

fan. He was like that's turned off the ramble

21:42

for a few weeks when you're doing that. Oh

21:44

they used to have Brian Clough in the fucking

21:46

79 Kip. Who did he support? Huddersfield Town. Never

21:49

heard of him. I don't think they've ever been

21:51

in the Premier League. Yeah I sort of respect

21:53

to your mate. Who's that? The

21:55

David Wagner group. I'm always an

21:57

orange now. So it changes. I know it does.

22:00

saying you love that's how you first fell in

22:02

love with David Wagner when he was managing how

22:04

does your town fine you can have that okay

22:06

well after the recent

22:10

FA Cup semi-final I think seeing

22:12

Coventry City back in the Premier League would be

22:14

quite something about Richard Keys though yeah but that's

22:16

the blemish so it's an

22:18

honorable mention but it's not my ultimate answer okay you

22:20

can't take that man seriously yes so so the likes

22:22

of Coventry, go and let him get in your end

22:24

no exactly the likes of Coventry sorry Coventry but I

22:27

can't give you that because it's Richard Keys but an

22:29

honorable mention though because of the 90s

22:32

and all that kind of stuff and the size of the

22:34

club etc in Sunderland would be another one as

22:36

well but I'd love to see at some

22:38

point Sheffield Wednesday back in the Premier League.

22:40

I knew you were going to say that

22:42

yeah I would like both Sheffield clubs to

22:44

be in the Premier League at the same

22:46

time. Yeah that's something about a child. Sheffield

22:48

have not had their child. They have. They

22:50

have. They have absolutely stunk the place out.

22:52

Yes. You've invited Sheffield to your house party

22:54

they've blocked the toilet, drunk all the booze

22:56

and left you with a broken glass a

22:58

four-pack of Tesco value lager in the fridge

23:00

knock the fence down in the back garden

23:02

they put a firework on the fence and

23:04

set fire through it by accident and I've enjoyed it.

23:06

We've all had a really good night. Yeah I was

23:08

going to say haven't you been around their house and

23:10

done all that? Yeah. You should have

23:12

always a good shout though for people of our

23:15

age they were really excited back in the night.

23:17

It's a huge, I mean the stadium is big

23:19

yeah 40,000 you know it's there it's a big

23:21

thing that I love the kit as well. I

23:24

suppose it just what kind of emotions are. I

23:28

come to the service when you think about certain clubs and

23:30

so on and it's a team I used to love watching

23:32

as well with great names so I would

23:34

say Wednesday because Sheffield

23:37

Wednesday is season by season you can't wait oh

23:39

they're in the Championship oh blime no they're in

23:41

league one that you know they've been a long

23:43

while out of it. Yeah they're a storage club.

23:45

It's a big club. I would personally quite like

23:47

to see the start of next season. Derby

23:50

County just promoted with no warning. See

23:53

if you can do better than 11. Who would get more than

23:55

11 points? Who would take up the brim? Classic.

24:00

My answer was actually, and

24:03

hear me out here for a

24:05

few reasons for this. Bolton Wanderers. I

24:08

thought about Bolton. And I'm going to give you why. At

24:10

the moment, as I've said a few times, they play great

24:12

stuff under Ian Evert and he's done an amazing job and

24:14

they're on the up. They'll do pretty well

24:18

going forward under him as well. But

24:21

actually, although when we think about Bolton

24:23

Wanderers, who were in the Premier League for quite a long time,

24:25

you think of kind of Sam

24:28

Adyce years, it

24:30

was before Sam Adyce became the kind

24:33

of evolution, the Pokemon evolution of the

24:35

final Sam Adyce, where he just

24:38

led into his worst kind of

24:40

instincts and became this comedy character. He

24:42

now does a podcast called No Tippy

24:44

Tappy Football, right? But he wasn't always

24:46

like that. No, no, he wasn't.

24:48

And he was very, very innovative when it comes to

24:51

kind of things like stats and data. But he also

24:53

went really far out of his way to bring

24:55

genuinely interesting players to Bolton. And he could

24:57

manage to convince someone like Ivan Campo to

25:00

come to Bolton. Campo and Nelka, a culture,

25:02

Mario Jardel, you know, Gary Medin. That wasn't

25:04

under him. But

25:11

you know, Mario Jardel was a great shout, although

25:13

he was fat. And I can say that as

25:16

a fat man. Fat Fernando Jierro. Fernando

25:19

Jierro as well. So the late great Gary Spies

25:21

in football. I mean, it goes on and on.

25:23

There's a lot. Jay Spearing. Go right. There's

25:26

a lot of Jason McIntyre, I

25:29

think. And your friend of mine,

25:31

Jim, Rob Holding. Indeed. Of

25:33

course. But joking aside, they were really

25:36

interesting team and they used to

25:38

do quite interesting things to get an

25:40

advantage. They were almost a stoke before stoke

25:42

as well, with Arsenal Bolton. Arsenal are quite

25:44

tough against Bolton from memory as well. Yeah,

25:46

I think, As you say, at

25:48

the beginning of Aladice's reign, they weren't necessarily. they

25:50

weren't always like that. Well, it was just something

25:52

they could do. It was a mode of play

25:54

that they had where they could mix it up

25:56

and make it difficult for opponents. They didn't They

25:58

didn't play like that against teams. No

26:00

equal, even it is. This isn't this is the

26:02

question. Isn't it that yeah is less? Basically, who'd

26:04

who makes you feel nostalgic? Gonna get them back

26:07

in? Gonna say I mean, I mean it seems

26:09

mental to say that back in the dice. you

26:11

thousand five. Thousand. And six in

26:13

the preview? That does it. I absolutely does.

26:15

Wimbledon of either I'm Mk dons then obviously.

26:18

I was Mk. Dons, the promos are they

26:21

would maintain the he doesn't care it doesn't

26:23

bother him, yeah, I'd like to see the

26:25

I'd like to. I'm the top to

26:27

the premier league The and Milton Keynes Little More

26:29

wouldn't let owing so near the actually started at

26:31

yeah yeah this one of the algebra saw him

26:34

again your family the only other want. The only

26:36

other one I would add though is because I

26:38

mean without Coventry that as a Tory time on

26:40

and off the pissed have to look conscience Rb

26:42

Nancy, Oldham Athletic know that as a killer that

26:45

as it offered it has been just because they

26:47

were caught on the members the perimeter you're on.

26:49

A about with absurd it's it's an answer

26:52

that question with it. Anything to

26:54

answer the question. In this case no snow is A

26:56

because I would love to see a Bristol. saw it

26:58

in the Premier league yet and but I think this

27:00

is have never been in the Premier league months. Oh

27:02

so you couldn't answer that because of it was a

27:04

return to the to the Barclays as that are not

27:06

as Bobby D was I would you like it to

27:09

be your palms was my boxes you get some point

27:11

box is gonna pick up for this. Probably wondering if

27:13

this is insane. Anyway maybe him. Morris

27:15

has been in touch on X probably the

27:17

best platform scans has been right, stuff on

27:19

at other are so rather than the other

27:21

than the patron shocked obviously. of course I'm

27:24

If you could have one rule change during

27:26

stoppage time, what would it be and why

27:28

Now I'm Personally, I don't think we need

27:30

to be changing rules. I'm just gonna go

27:32

strains Rusty because he counts. I Am Keepers

27:34

has to take all set pieces in the

27:36

opposition. Half Mile High School is included. Imagine

27:38

the chaos. And I would be good.

27:40

You wouldn't want a corner in a lot where

27:43

you him and his runs like stop a corner

27:45

put out for throat is he attacked us My

27:47

daughter sought to see you and your books for

27:49

that. Yeah I'd like to see every three minutes.

27:51

Superstars Long America I'd like to see every three

27:53

minutes. a plan for me thing is removed. isn't

27:57

much more chelsea get a result in the eyes

27:59

of others the It's been sort of that's

28:01

been mooted a lot over the years, isn't

28:03

it? As an attempt sort of potential replacement

28:05

for penalties and I think it

28:08

in practice It would be absolute chaos, but

28:10

you know in terms of entertainment that would make

28:12

it great But you left with like like two

28:14

players on the pitch is exhausted. Yeah, absolutely A

28:17

minor sort of a semi-serious answer is unless

28:21

obvious injury No

28:23

substitutions in stoppage time. I just get fed up

28:25

with managers stopping the game or I think that's

28:27

a good shot Come

28:29

on it's time wasting or it's stupid time. I think

28:31

is the referee had 30 seconds for that anyway It's

28:34

tight disrupting the flow. Yeah Do you know why also

28:36

what they do is because they do it sometimes to

28:38

reward players for having a good week in training So

28:40

they get the appearance bonus stuff like that. Yeah, I

28:42

mean there is that and I understand that You know,

28:44

yeah, maybe Wayne Rooney coming on in the Europa League

28:47

final with like two minutes to go or something like

28:49

that Yeah, give them a little run out But but

28:51

actually it does disrupt the flow of the game and

28:53

it you know, it's it's it's a certain tactic

28:55

that many deploy So yeah, can I also unless

28:57

there's it like an arm as I say, obviously

28:59

if you're gonna go down and you're gonna fight

29:01

injury You've got to get off the stretcher. Yeah,

29:04

I think maybe if you're gonna go down Yeah, it's

29:06

tricky though, isn't it? Cuz you want to play safety

29:08

is really important But I would just

29:10

extrapolate very very quickly if I may just to

29:12

say the same car do you feel quite strongly

29:15

about in terms Of rule changes generally because it

29:17

would solve a lot of quite pointless and tedious

29:19

debate Around scoring records

29:21

is I would genuinely change

29:23

the rule So

29:25

that the player who is fouled for

29:27

the penalty has to take the penalty Because

29:30

because you a lot of time now you see there's

29:32

a few reasons for it One is the statistics thing

29:34

one is because you see a lot of penalties now

29:37

where there's not really a scoring chance

29:39

or it's a it's a it's

29:42

a jet it's like a players

29:44

moving away from goal or They've

29:46

bought it and it is no

29:49

real problem. You move score it the only thing I guess would be

29:51

handball I guess with handball you could maybe if it's a handball you

29:53

can designate your penalty take it But other than that if you are

29:55

fouled for it, you have to take it. How

29:57

about a bit of handball? We have to punch it if

29:59

it's You have to punch it in the nest and

30:01

ride along the floor. Yeah, I think you can throw it up

30:04

and you go Well,

30:08

you could see Marcus you're normally you are on this kind

30:10

of stuff You're much more reticent to change to me. But

30:12

how do you feel about that? I did specifically what a

30:14

better player being failed I haven't to take it. Yeah, I

30:16

just don't see What the sort

30:18

of the merits or the thinking behind it

30:20

is that why why why would you in?

30:23

Yeah, it want to to bring that

30:25

in like what what does it stop? What is it? You

30:28

because with the subs in the stoppage time on it's the

30:30

disruption of the play and it's the it's a kind of

30:33

tactic Which I think now come on we can do without

30:35

I let the game flow We don't want the game flow

30:37

if you see what I mean I said the semi serious

30:39

point because I'm not hugely wedded to it But there's a

30:41

reason why when I'm watching the game something's going on and

30:44

like Why

30:46

then if a player is fouled up what are you

30:49

getting out of that is what I don't think it

30:51

changes the dynamic slightly because if you're someone who you

30:54

know if it's a Defensively

30:57

minded player on like a breakaway going into the

30:59

penalty area taking the opportunity to go down rather

31:01

than actually have a go Yeah They

31:04

know that the best power taker in the team is gonna be

31:06

able to take the penalty and then what's that they score? If

31:08

they have to take it myself and you just change the dynamic

31:10

a little bit It also means that you don't have to have

31:13

this tedious debate about how many of these players goal scoring record

31:15

this season was in Pit with penalty will always be tedious debate

31:17

though. It will pop up one way or not Please

31:20

debate with inevitably another tea. Yeah sure, but also

31:22

the idea of a you know Players

31:24

winning penalties by by simulating or diving or

31:27

whatever you want to call it knowing

31:29

that their Best goal score is

31:31

gonna score it you can't really bake into the rules the

31:33

idea that like some of them are cheating You know they're

31:35

meant to be no I don't know that but for example

31:38

in NBA if you found the player foul takes a free

31:40

throw It's like just part of the fabric of the game.

31:42

Yeah, I Might

31:45

I do what's your point? I wouldn't have them

31:47

using golf. No use Jim's finger What

31:52

a finger it is Shall we

31:54

end the mailbag with this question from what

31:56

Gary who emailed us in he said after

31:58

Jose? Mourinho said

32:00

he would walk to Manchester to take the Manchester

32:02

United job. What should managers do

32:04

to prove their loyalty to their new club?

32:06

It's a great question. It is. It

32:09

really is. Having to walk there would be

32:11

a bad idea because you'd get only local managers wouldn't

32:14

you? Not after Harder Geezer done his thing. He

32:16

ran the length of Africa but he can do it. I

32:18

think Mourinho can walk to Manchester. Imagine the people he'd pick

32:20

up on the way. Doesn't Mourinho live... There's so many

32:22

people there by the time he arrived. Doesn't Mourinho live in

32:25

London anyway? He's certainly got a property in London. So

32:27

he can just walk to Manchester. I've never taken that long.

32:29

Other than the walking to the ground, does

32:32

anybody want to chip in? Yeah, I would

32:34

like to see a scenario where the

32:37

manager would have to break into a rival's

32:39

stadium or training ground and plant a flag.

32:41

It's not quite as simple as that because

32:43

you'd get a budget for it and access

32:45

to the club's security team to help you

32:47

do it. You know it's

32:49

coming though. You know it's coming. I'd like

32:51

it to be. Don't know where. Don't know

32:53

when. I just

32:55

think when Michaela Aetes gets the Arsenal job, Spurs

32:57

are going right. Come on. It's

33:00

about security. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. But if he

33:02

manages it, they're just going like, ah, fucking hell,

33:04

that's annoying. And then we'll get one of

33:06

our lives. Yeah, I don't know why I'm talking this down. This

33:08

would be brilliant. I would do what I would do. You

33:11

know, like in a lot of jobs, you have to

33:13

pass a test. Yes, yes, this is what I'm thinking.

33:15

So like, I don't know, presumably if you are working

33:18

in some kind of financial services, you have to pass

33:20

an exam or whatever to show that you're qualified and

33:22

then maybe you have to do like a compliance check

33:24

or whatever. If you imagine

33:26

you come in and you manage a club, you

33:28

have to pass like an aptitude test. It's

33:31

not basically like a citizenship test and you know enough about the club. Yeah.

33:34

And so it's like 20 questions. They can be multiple choice. But in

33:36

front of the fans. No, well, let me

33:38

get to the bit. Okay, okay. They have to answer

33:40

it. They have to get a certain

33:42

amount of score to be eligible

33:45

to actually take the job. And if they fail

33:47

that exam, I think they should get a bullet

33:49

in the head. All

33:54

right, but

33:56

mine slightly different. Slightly different in that

33:58

squid game. I

34:00

just think it's too many mergers. Anyone

34:03

who calls for a merger, can't they? Half of them haven't got

34:05

a job. I was going to suggest a knife, but

34:07

I'm a pro. No, I like

34:10

the idea of a test. I think some sort

34:12

of trivia test about the club in front of

34:14

a fans group. They can just fire any questions.

34:16

It'd be good. Or the

34:18

other one I thought, I quite like when

34:21

Thomas Tuchel went to Chelsea, head to toe in

34:23

club attire, tracksuit or whatever. You really got

34:25

to try and give the club shop a bit and

34:28

do a solid fit there. It always makes me laugh.

34:30

Is it like the new manager is coming in invariably

34:32

in the press conference, they'll go, wow, yeah,

34:34

it's an absolutely massive club and I'm delighted to

34:36

be here. And I just wonder how far down

34:39

the privilege you can go and say that. I'm

34:41

pretty sure Chris, you know, Chris, Courtney Chris, he

34:43

said to us once that the

34:46

manager who just announced there's the new manager of

34:48

Chesham United said it's a massive club. I'm glad

34:50

she thought it'd be. I'm not

34:52

being rude about a non-league club, Chesham United, I'm sure

34:55

they're great in everything. But by no measure,

34:59

by a massive club. Well by a measure of the

35:01

league they're in, they might think. Marcus,

35:03

come on. Fine, the

35:05

best one of that was Walter Zenga when he

35:07

was wanting to manage Wolves. And he said, oh,

35:09

in Italy Wolves are like one of the biggest

35:11

clubs in the world. Everyone talks

35:13

about Wolves. No, they don't. They've not

35:15

been in top flight very long. It can't be true.

35:18

We love Steve Bull, like, come on, what have you

35:20

got? He's trying his best, that's his version of the

35:22

test, though, isn't it? Yeah. He's

35:24

naming one of the all-time best players. No, he never, I added that.

35:26

Oh, you added that bit, I thought he was doing it. I

35:29

loved it when Paul Inks played there. He wasn't saying any of this. Oh,

35:31

Dennis Irwin. Still, and he bounced by. Oh, he's dead as Irwin was there.

35:33

Can I just say, I don't, Paul Inks didn't

35:35

really play there. He's in the kit,

35:37

but he was pictured in the kit. He's shouted a lot, yeah.

35:40

Yeah. A few times. The

35:42

only other one I was saying, the new manager and

35:44

the coaching staff have to recreate a famous goal

35:46

score by that club, sort of, Bideal and Skin Rest

35:48

on the pitch. Fix and the Flames type. Yeah,

35:50

definitely. Roy doing that. Yeah.

35:53

Can I do a tap-in? Can I

35:55

try and do the Clint Dempsey again? Do

35:57

you remember, they're there all afternoon Oh

36:00

Roy Hodge has been announced as the new manager of Milan. He's

36:05

got to run the Lexus page like George Weyer. Oh

36:09

no, the fans choose. It'll be there in a

36:11

minute. Maridio gets the value of the lighter job.

36:14

That Rooney Volley gets Newcastle. We create that. You've

36:16

got to do it. Yeah. Good

36:18

news is we brought the keeper back. He's in goal. Was

36:21

that a shame? It might have been a

36:23

shame given, yeah. Or Steve Harper. Or his

36:25

double Steve Harper. Right, everybody. Get him there.

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