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Football Club have been knocked points

2:13

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2:15

haven't been teleported back to November.

2:17

The Toffees have had points taken.

2:20

Again, for the second time this

2:22

season, Evertonians are punished by the

2:24

Premier League with a further two-point

2:26

penalty on top of the six

2:28

they already had taken away. Beating

2:30

Burnley was big for Sean Dyche

2:33

on Saturday, but with Forrest, Brentford,

2:35

Luton and Sheffield United all still

2:37

to come before the end of

2:39

the season, it's back into the

2:41

sick of those relegation flames for

2:43

Everton. We'll tackle another turbulent 24

2:45

hours at Gooderton Park on today's

2:47

show. This is Football Social

2:49

Daily, the award-winning Premier League podcast. My

2:52

name's Niall and if there was a prize for

2:54

winding up the most Scottish people in 30 seconds,

2:57

I think I might be in with a chance. What do you

2:59

reckon, Marley? Oh, I don't

3:01

think you're welcome in Scotland anymore. Whenever you

3:04

approach Hadrian's Wall, there's going to be a

3:06

line of angry Scotsmen ready to

3:08

take you out because, what was

3:10

the stats before? There's over 300

3:12

comments on our TikTok at the minute. Completely

3:16

annihilating Niall for... Annihilating?

3:19

Yeah, there you go. That makes sense. I've

3:22

never heard that before. Yeah,

3:25

just your take on whether

3:30

Celtic and Rangers compete in the Premier League. It's not

3:32

gone down well with those on the off-the-border, but it's

3:35

a fair point. You do

3:37

say, you know, forget the money.

3:40

The commenters do not like you forget the

3:42

money. Spoiler. But if you want to

3:44

see that, head to our TikTok. I

3:47

wish all our social posts

3:49

got that engagement, but alas, they

3:51

do not. So we have to

3:53

resort to Niall's terrible fakes, give it another

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viral. Normally, it's Joel that says something like

3:58

that and not me. I've

4:00

done a few in the past. This is what

4:02

it's like. You know, I've wound up knocking at

4:04

the forest fans a million times. Yeah, there's a

4:06

few that have wanted my guts to cut. So

4:09

it's nice that the host of the show is

4:11

usually the one the peacekeeper has been. Well,

4:14

at least I've f***ed off both Celtic and

4:16

Rangers, both sides of the old firm. You

4:18

united Scotland, basically. No,

4:20

I've somehow managed to get the old firm

4:22

united on one issue, yeah. If

4:24

you want to get in touch with us on social

4:26

media or check out the TikTok or any of the

4:28

other social media channels, the links are all in

4:31

the description below. So is the link

4:33

to the Telegram group where you can

4:35

join the conversation. And yesterday in that

4:37

said Telegram group, all of the chat

4:39

was about Everton being docked to further

4:41

points by the Premier League. We'll

4:43

come on to the nuts and bolts of

4:45

it in a second. But if you've never

4:47

joined us on the podcast before, this is

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4:51

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4:59

and Joel. Joel is back from Germany, but

5:01

he's not feeling too well today. I'm not sure

5:03

whether he's had one too many steins or one

5:05

too many Frank Fertes or something. But he's not

5:08

joining us today. He's got the immune system of

5:11

like a newborn child. Like my

5:13

son have a better immune system and

5:15

he doesn't have one than Joel. Joel

5:17

goes away on holiday, comes back and

5:20

he's off with himself when he comes back.

5:22

Like he's allergic to other countries. It's bizarre.

5:24

But we're wishing him a speedy

5:27

recovery. And let's get stuck into that

5:29

Everton news because we mentioned that we

5:31

talk about all of the big news

5:33

and opinion in the Premier League. Well,

5:35

it didn't get much bigger than in

5:37

November when Everton became the first Premier

5:39

League side since Portsmouth to be docked

5:41

points. Now, Portsmouth with docked

5:44

points are going into administration. They were given

5:46

a minus nine penalty. Everton were

5:49

a few million pounds over the profit

5:51

and sustainability guidelines, which say if you're

5:53

not up to speed that you can

5:55

only lose one hundred and

5:57

five million pounds over a rolling three

5:59

year period. period, the Toffees were docked

6:02

10 points for breaching those rules, which

6:04

I thought was an exceptionally harsh punishment

6:06

considering that minus 9

6:08

is the punishment for administration. Everton

6:11

appealed that, they had to wait a few weeks before

6:13

eventually they were given 4

6:15

points back on appeal and

6:17

so therefore the deduction was 6. Then

6:20

we saw Nottingham Forest docked points

6:22

for a similar situation. They were

6:24

only docked 4 and now Everton

6:26

have been docked a further 2.

6:28

Now we knew that Everton were in breach

6:31

of the Profit and Sustainability guidelines on

6:33

more than one occasion because as I mentioned it's calculated

6:36

on a 3 year rolling period. So

6:39

this is two separate breaches. I

6:41

remember saying when the second

6:43

breach came to light, Marley, that Everton

6:46

to be punished twice in

6:48

the same season for two separate breaches

6:50

would be really, really harsh.

6:52

I didn't think the Premier League would do it. Well

6:54

the Premier League have done it and

6:56

Everton yet again have to deal with

6:59

this points deduction which has come and

7:01

smacked them straight in the face. I'm

7:03

lost with this now. It

7:06

just feels like Everton are on

7:08

the receiving end of something which the

7:11

Premier League, we all know that they're scrambling to try and

7:15

get their affairs in order so this independent

7:17

regulator doesn't come in. I'm not sure what

7:19

their problem is with the independent regulator. I

7:21

think it might just be they

7:24

don't want to lose the power, they can prove they do it

7:26

themselves but you see far down the line

7:28

it's already coming in. We know it.

7:31

It's been talked about in government and whatever and

7:33

I know the government is an absolute joke at

7:35

the minute in the UK and what have you.

7:38

However this is probably

7:40

designed, it should be good for the game

7:42

if it's competent and so forth and only

7:44

time will tell whether it is or not

7:47

but still the

7:49

way to fight that is

7:51

not to start throwing mud at your own teams

7:54

like Everton and Forest are part of the Premier

7:56

League and they're just

7:58

getting absolutely battered by the these

8:00

points deductions and as

8:03

you say, in a normal world, if

8:06

this regulator wasn't coming in, you'd probably

8:08

say that Everton would start next season

8:10

on minus two points for example but

8:13

they haven't got the time, they haven't given themselves the

8:15

time to do this. If

8:18

they'd have said we're going to get RFA's in

8:20

order years ago, we could have had a different

8:22

process where the appeals get done and

8:24

you give yourself time to give points

8:27

deductions at the start of the season so everyone

8:29

knows what's happening but because you've backed

8:31

yourself into a corner and been so incompetent with

8:33

this stuff, you're now at

8:35

a point where you're just eating

8:38

yourself from the inside and you're

8:40

giving Everton points

8:42

deductions because you have to

8:45

because there's only two months of the season left and it's

8:48

not right. I do feel for Everton

8:51

fans who

8:54

have to sit

8:56

in and take this

8:58

and just take it on the chin again

9:00

and stuff like that and it's

9:03

frustrating but we've

9:05

just got to sort of grin and bear

9:08

it to the end of the season and

9:10

then we should see this whole point

9:13

deductions every two weeks going away, hopefully.

9:15

Well yeah, fingers crossed because it makes

9:17

a mess. It makes a

9:19

mockery of the Premier League. Former Everton

9:21

midfielder Andros Townsend used those exact words

9:23

in the media yesterday. He said this

9:25

makes a mockery of the Premier

9:28

League and I think we're in a difficult position

9:30

here because do I feel sorry

9:32

for Everton fans? Yes, I do because of the

9:34

way that their club has been managed, because of

9:36

the fact that they have to

9:38

deal with these points penalties and it's

9:41

quite anxiety inducing as a fan not knowing whether

9:43

you're in the relegation fire out of the relegation

9:45

fire and that win is absolutely huge on Saturday

9:47

and we'll come on to Everton's running between now

9:50

and the end of the season and what that

9:52

means for their potential survival or not in the

9:54

Premier League in a second. We're in a position

9:56

here where you're absolutely spot on. The UK have

9:58

this new independent regulation. coming in to

10:01

oversee English football and

10:03

I think the Premier League are in

10:06

a power struggle and I think they're scared

10:08

of losing control of their own product because

10:11

who knows what that means for sponsors who

10:13

knows what that means for the most powerful

10:15

people involved in the Premier League just don't

10:17

know at this point and so

10:19

I think that the Premier League know that

10:21

their time is almost up running their own

10:23

competition and so they're going down swinging they're

10:26

throwing the book at everyone but they're swinging

10:28

at their own people like they're swinging

10:30

that they're at their own clubs like Everton and Forest are

10:32

still part of the Premier League you

10:34

know I mean it's weird but this

10:37

is the situation I find myself in as a

10:39

neutral as I said I feel sorry for the

10:41

Ebertonians but I don't feel sorry for Everton Football

10:43

Club because they're the ones that have

10:45

breached the rules and yes some people might say

10:47

the rules aren't fair and whatnot but I think

10:49

that that is a totally different argument if the

10:52

rules aren't fair you then lobby to have

10:54

them changed you don't just break them and

10:56

then say that they're unfair so don't punish

10:58

us I don't think that's the

11:00

right way to do things particularly when you're talking about a

11:03

sporting organization and

11:05

so we're in a position here where all of

11:07

this is public information, Forest accounts are public information,

11:09

Leicester City who are intramural at the moment for

11:12

a very similar situation which I'm sure might come

11:14

to light in the summer you said that next

11:16

season hopefully this will all be done and dusted

11:18

well doesn't look like that's the case if Leicester

11:20

come up we might see points deductions for them

11:22

and it's all a bit of a shambles at

11:24

the moment but all of this stuff is public

11:27

information so it's clear to see

11:29

who's breaking the rules where and

11:32

the problem I think that Ebertonians have got

11:34

is the way that the Premier League are

11:36

dishing out these punishments Marley because from

11:40

what I could ascertain from the document that

11:42

was released yesterday about Everton's case there

11:44

was a line from the Independent Commission that

11:46

said actually some of the issues that

11:48

the Premier League brought forward were either unwarranted

11:51

over the top or baseless and

11:53

I think that that is a pretty damning thing

11:56

to say about the Premier

11:58

League from the Independent Commission effectively

12:00

that they're trying to get Everton punished for things

12:02

that they have no grounds for. And

12:05

it looked to me from what I read that the

12:08

Premier League were keen to dock Everton as many as 12

12:10

to 17 points through the course

12:12

of this season for breaching the

12:14

PSR rules. Now understand sporting sanctions

12:16

rather than fines are what affects

12:18

clubs the most so I get

12:21

the points deduction because that's what

12:23

impacts football clubs more than anything

12:25

their performance on the pitch but

12:27

12 to 17 points

12:29

when it's minus nine for going

12:31

into administration and running out of

12:33

money completely. That is staggering to

12:35

me and I think there's a lot

12:37

to be concerned about in these documents.

12:40

Yeah you're right I mean imagine if

12:42

they've got 17 points like what on

12:45

what basis I don't I don't I don't

12:47

get it I mean you know they've

12:49

they've been deducted it was 10 then

12:51

it was down to six and now

12:53

now it's another two and Forest

12:55

was six but now it then it was four and

12:57

I feel like if you're

13:00

familiar with a sketch um called Number

13:02

Wang have you ever heard of Number

13:04

Wang? If you haven't YouTube it

13:06

because it's just when you it's this silly

13:08

little sketch on um on a show that

13:10

used to be on TV in Britain and

13:12

it's just where you pull a random number

13:14

out the air and this is what the

13:16

Premier League are doing they're playing they're

13:19

playing Number Wang which is just a it's

13:21

not even a real thing it's

13:23

just like where where are these

13:25

numbers coming from um and how

13:27

do you ascertain which is what is a

13:30

fitting punishment for a rule which you've

13:32

just brought in like

13:35

you've just announced it and

13:37

all of a sudden everyone's

13:39

getting punished for it left right and center. Leicester

13:42

might get punished for it even though the PSR

13:44

rules might change by the time they're next in

13:46

the Premier League um there's

13:48

there's a lot of interesting

13:51

stuff coming out from the appeal process

13:54

um as you say you know that they're essentially

13:56

saying the Premier League have gotten no idea what

13:58

they're doing they're punishing. teams

14:00

out of fear that they're

14:02

losing control rather than you know

14:05

you've genuinely tried to cheat your

14:07

way to success

14:09

or to if

14:11

you can even call it success you know

14:13

to competition if that's what

14:16

you want to say so it's just a

14:18

it's a mess it's a mess from start to finish

14:21

they've made themselves more

14:23

incompetent than ever before because

14:26

your punishment for example

14:29

everything got punished

14:32

for losing sponsorship because they had to

14:34

sell the club and they couldn't use

14:37

Alicia Osmanov's money because of the war

14:39

in the Ukraine so the Premier League

14:41

forced them to to

14:44

get rid of Russian investment that that

14:46

in itself okay

14:48

you can understand why that why they

14:50

did that however the Premier League

14:53

refused to take that into account with

14:55

the PSR rules so everything that to

14:57

plug that gap somehow how do you

14:59

pull back up it it's hard to

15:01

do over a course of a year

15:04

never mind a matter

15:06

of weeks but at

15:08

the same time the Premier League

15:10

had a TV rights deal in

15:13

Russia that had just been

15:15

agreed and they broke that deal a

15:17

month into into

15:21

its existence because of the war

15:23

in Ukraine so the

15:26

Premier League went well we can't do business

15:28

with them so we'll

15:30

we'll end our own deal but

15:33

they didn't have that compassion for everything like

15:36

they they knew the financial hit it

15:39

would mean if you can't sell TV

15:41

rights to the audience but

15:43

then they ignored the same rule for

15:46

Everton's investment from Osmanov who has been

15:48

in the you know been on the

15:50

scene for however long you know

15:54

six seven years whenever he's been at Everton I'm not even

15:56

sure so and when you look at

15:58

it you know it's not a good thing to do but at

16:00

things like that. It's just like how were

16:02

Everton meant to never fall

16:04

foul of these rules. It just doesn't make

16:07

sense to me. So I do feel sorry

16:09

for them. They've also made some huge mistakes.

16:11

Well, yeah, the Premier League originally asked for

16:13

a five-point deduction for this breach. They

16:16

asked for a 12-point deduction for the first breach, which

16:18

was where I'm getting that figure of 17

16:21

from. So the Premier League recommended that

16:23

Everton get docked 12 for the first

16:25

incident back in November, and another five

16:27

for this one. Whereas the Independent Commission

16:29

said, no, we'll do 10, which is

16:31

still ridiculously harsh, and we'll do two.

16:34

So in the end, they've ended up being

16:36

docked 12 points technically this season, and then

16:38

they were given back upon

16:40

appeal. And it's just genuinely insane

16:43

because there's just no framework

16:45

for what warrants what

16:48

amount of points. It's just a Premier

16:50

League recommendation. The Premier League recommend to

16:52

the Independent Commission that it should be

16:54

this many points. But

16:56

based off of what, if the only thing we've

16:58

got to go off is that minus nine is

17:00

administration, and that's one of the harshest punishments that

17:02

there is, then surely

17:05

there's no precedent for docking

17:07

Everton that amount of points.

17:10

You actually lost less over

17:12

a rolling three-year period than Nottingham Forest

17:14

did. But Forest got a

17:17

smaller points deduction. And that's what

17:19

leaves Evertonians scratching their heads, because

17:21

there's just no consistency. We ask

17:23

about consistency in football from referees

17:26

and from VAR. But what about the Premier

17:28

League itself when it comes to these crazy

17:30

points deductions? And nobody wants to be spending

17:32

a whole season or even many episodes of

17:34

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17:37

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17:39

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17:41

you mentioned, and as we've said a few

17:43

times on FSD, this campaign, football and the

17:45

Premier League is eating itself from the inside

17:47

out. It's got too big, the monster's

17:49

grown too large, and there's just

17:51

no way to be able to deal with it.

17:53

And you just see these crazy points deductions getting

17:55

thrown about all over the place. We'll

17:57

talk about this in a little bit more detail and

18:00

what it actually means for Everton on the pitch

18:02

because that is a two point sanction that they

18:04

will appeal, but they've got some big gains to

18:06

come in this relegation fight. It drops them a

18:08

place being docked to further points, but will they

18:10

do enough to stay in the Premier League this

18:12

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20:00

League podcast. Welcome back to the show. I'm

20:02

Niall, I've got Marley with me. No jolt

20:04

today as he's recovering from a long weekend

20:06

in Germany. Don't ask what he got up

20:09

to because me and Marley absolutely have no

20:11

idea. But we'll leave him some rot in

20:13

bed as we discuss Everton's two-point deduction on

20:15

top of the six that they've already had

20:17

deducted this season. Tough times, Revatonians

20:19

at the moment, and we'll come on to their run-in

20:22

between now and the end of the season and the

20:24

Premier League games that they have left shortly. But

20:27

let's get to the issue of

20:29

appealing this two-point deduction.

20:32

It took absolutely ages for

20:35

Everton's ten-point deduction to be reduced

20:37

to six on appeal. We

20:39

know that Nottingham Forest have appealed their points of

20:41

deduction and the latest that hearing will be had

20:44

is five days after the end of the

20:46

season. There could be a situation

20:48

in which Nottingham Forest find out whether

20:50

they're up or down via a statement

20:53

after the games have finished. Everton have

20:55

now appealed this two-point deduction and their

20:57

hearing is likely to be even

20:59

later than the Forest one. As far as

21:01

we're concerned as fans, the season ends on

21:03

the final day when the final whistle has

21:05

been blown across all of the matches because

21:07

they all kick off at the same time

21:10

for what we call sporting integrity. In

21:12

what's been a really exciting season where the

21:14

relegation fight has been tight, the

21:17

fight for European places has been tight, the

21:19

title race is still anyone's guess with six

21:21

or seven games to go between three

21:23

huge clubs. The fact that

21:25

on the final day of the season we might

21:27

not get clarity is really disappointing and we're in

21:29

a situation again now where it's not just Forest

21:31

you might have to wait till after the season

21:33

but Everton too. Yeah you've got a

21:35

Forest, I mean if you get to a

21:37

point where Forest finish a

21:40

point below Everton and

21:43

therefore get relegated but then Everton's

21:46

ban is upheld and Everton

21:49

go like drop

21:51

below them type of thing like what?

21:54

In my infinite sadness I looked into the

21:56

Premier League rule book Marley and

21:59

so even though we We think the Premier League season will end

22:01

on the 19th of May. Actually

22:03

the Premier League season in inverted commas

22:05

is live until the 30th of June

22:08

and then the new season starts

22:10

on the 1st of July. So

22:12

technically when we say

22:15

that the season is finished,

22:17

it has from a playing

22:19

perspective but from a commercial

22:21

contracting perspective and general rules

22:23

perspective, if you want to really dive down

22:25

into the detail, the season doesn't actually end

22:27

until the 30th of June. And that is

22:29

what the Premier League will say. Even

22:32

though it's absolutely dreadful for fans, that

22:34

is what the Premier League will say. But

22:36

no one cares about that. We want this concluded

22:39

before the final day because otherwise what's the point?

22:41

And I say before the final day, even

22:44

then, what about the games before that? Look

22:46

at the games that Everton have got. They've

22:48

got Luton, Sheffield United, Brentford, Nottingham

22:50

Forest, all still to play. Massive

22:53

games in this relegation fight. They're

22:55

playing these games not knowing what they need to do

22:58

and the other teams don't know what they need to

23:00

do and it just ruins it.

23:02

Yeah, that's why contracts end on the 30th

23:05

of June or whatever it is. So

23:09

yeah, there is a bit of time but

23:11

that's the time where you're on the beach

23:13

and you're on holiday and you're starting to

23:15

think about pre-season which starts mid-July. You're

23:19

not thinking what division are we in next

23:21

season. That

23:23

needs to be

23:27

decided when

23:29

that final whistle goes on April, sorry,

23:32

May the 19th or whatever it is. That's

23:36

when this needs to be done. But

23:39

like you say, it all comes back to

23:41

what we said before. The Premier League are desperate to

23:44

prove that they can do things. They're

23:46

rushing things through. The

23:48

appeal process then bounces back and

23:50

says, look, you can't do this.

23:52

You've got no grounds to do this. And

23:54

the reason they've got no grounds to do it is the rule book that

23:57

they've written. They did the rule

23:59

book. themselves and they've

24:01

failed to safeguard

24:05

the rules in such a way where there's

24:07

an obvious punishment and

24:09

then when they create the beast that they

24:12

created by chasing money and chasing TV rights

24:14

and allowing the wages to go through the

24:16

roof, you create this level of income petition.

24:20

Nobody can financially compete with the

24:22

big six. Even Tottenham who haven't won jack

24:25

shit in years, 2008 they haven't won

24:27

a trophy since but nobody can compete

24:29

with them. Everton can't compete with Spurs,

24:32

neither can Newcastle in terms of

24:35

wages. Any team coming

24:37

in hasn't got a prayer because even those

24:39

three teams Everton, West Ham, Newcastle, nobody

24:43

can compete with those teams that come into the

24:45

Premier League. Sheffield United are paying their

24:48

highest earn, what, 50k

24:50

a week? If not. And

24:52

then you've got like James Manison moving from Leicester to

24:54

Tottenham and he's on best part of £200k

24:56

a week. And then

24:59

you've got Son on more and you've

25:01

got Kula

25:03

Seski and Romero and all these

25:05

players and they're not winning anything, they're just

25:07

competing at the top end of the league but it's

25:10

costing Spurs millions

25:13

and millions and millions a week and

25:16

then you get Luton with players

25:18

that have played in league two

25:20

like Pelly Roodeck and Panzi and

25:23

Andraste Hand and Ona Free and Carlton

25:26

Morris who are just sort of journeymen

25:28

players trying to compete and obviously they

25:30

can't but the Premier League has created

25:32

this beast and now they're

25:34

trying to destroy the beast themselves and

25:38

they can't do it without looking like

25:40

fools. I've actually seen some people

25:42

argue that the points deductions aren't

25:44

harsh enough on this most

25:46

recent occasion with Everton and Forest because you

25:49

can break the rules by overspending, sign a few

25:51

good players and they can make up the points

25:54

that you would have been docked anyway to keep

25:56

you up and therefore it becomes worth it. And

25:58

I kind of see the point. But the fact

26:00

that we're even having these sorts of discussions shows

26:03

how absolutely baffling this whole thing is.

26:05

The fact that some supporters are like,

26:08

well let's just overspend, take a points

26:10

deduction, sign two or three really good

26:12

players and they'll keep us in the league anyway. I

26:14

just think, well what's the point then? What's

26:16

the point? If you're not going to do things properly,

26:19

what's the point? Forget it.

26:21

Either have a salary cap or no salary cap and

26:23

just let people do what they want. It

26:25

just makes you think about starting from the ground

26:27

up or ripping the whole thing up and starting

26:29

from scratch because these rules now are just getting

26:32

really really strange and I understand that they're in place for a reason.

26:35

We might see them change next year. I don't want

26:37

to go into it too much but the fact that

26:39

some people are talking about, oh well let's just cheat

26:41

because the punishments aren't that bad. It

26:43

just leads me to think, what sort of route

26:46

are we going down in the Premier

26:48

League now? That's what it's become. This

26:50

inequality is always going to have a breaking point.

26:54

It definitely feels like we've hit that breaking

26:56

point now with the deductions and the

27:01

punishment coming from the

27:03

league that's meant to, you're meant

27:05

to be competing in. You're meant to feel

27:07

supported by the league and part

27:10

of it but instead you're getting punished for

27:12

trying to compete in that very league. That

27:15

unlevel playing field will always be there. The

27:17

bigger clubs with the bigger stadiums can attract

27:20

the better players because they have more commercial

27:22

revenue, more sponsorship, more fans. That isn't going

27:24

to change no matter how many rules you

27:26

put in place. That's just the

27:29

way it is. There is a food chain.

27:31

There's a reason it's called the football pyramid

27:33

because teams make up the foundation at the bottom

27:35

and the elite teams move their way

27:37

up to the top. That's just the way it works. That's

27:41

where we are as a

27:44

whole. I honestly think there would

27:46

be scope

27:49

and this would be the time to draw

27:51

a line onto it and start again

27:54

with a completely new set

27:57

of rules. start

28:00

that in a couple of years time though wouldn't you?

28:02

You'd need to say from 2025-26 let's say or 26-27

28:04

no contracts must exceed this amount per season. And

28:11

in that time again we've missed that boat,

28:13

that boat has sailed because of Saudi. Saudi

28:15

league coming in paying anyone whatever they want

28:19

because as soon as you put a pin

28:21

it's not uniformed across Europe. You

28:25

run the risk of losing your best players to

28:27

the likes of Saudi Arabia etc and that damages

28:29

the Premier League product. 100% because no everyone's a

28:31

mercenary, everybody wants the money even though Kevin De

28:33

Bruyne for

28:37

example is on 400 grand a week and he has

28:40

been for many years and he's probably got 50

28:42

million pound plus in the bank and the next

28:45

three or four generations of his family are covered.

28:49

If he gets to 33-34 for example

28:53

and the Premier League say Kevin there's

28:56

a rule which makes your wage go

28:59

from 450 grand a week to

29:01

180 he's

29:03

gonna say okay like fine

29:06

and then Saudi are gonna come knocking and say we'll pay

29:08

you 300 and you can live in this mansion

29:12

and you can have you know two years of

29:14

your career the final two years of your career

29:18

living like you know earning the money you

29:20

were on in a lesser league and we'll

29:22

take the you know

29:24

take that financial we'll

29:27

make up the gap basically and it

29:30

might not be him but it would be other

29:32

other players it's just the Premier League are so

29:34

slow aren't they? So don't

29:36

see what's coming they've sleep walked into

29:39

this situation that people could see coming

29:41

from a mile away like

29:43

why weren't Everton punished for this breach two

29:45

years ago or a year ago when it

29:47

happened why has it taken them so long

29:49

and now that the appeal is going to

29:51

be heard until after the season is finished

29:53

it just puts everyone in a terrible situation

29:56

and it's not enjoyable this is when the

29:58

game becomes unenjoyable the goals the drama drama,

30:00

the excitement we've seen this season, the race

30:02

for the title, the race to stay

30:05

up and get into Europe, it's all been so

30:07

good this year. But my abiding memory of this

30:09

season will not be those races, it will be

30:11

sitting here on the podcast with you two talking

30:13

about points to the options. It's

30:16

absolutely. Let's move on to

30:18

that survival race because as much as

30:20

we can sit here in lament the way that the

30:22

Premier League are running the show at the moment, there

30:24

is still games to be played for Everton. They've got

30:26

Chelsea away on Monday night but some of the games

30:28

they've got coming up include a

30:30

Merseyside derby but the ones that are

30:33

really sticking out for me isn't

30:35

even the one against their big rivals Liverpool. Forest,

30:38

Brentford, Luton, Sheffield United and then Arsenal

30:41

on the final day, so many big

30:43

games to come particularly against the sides

30:45

around them in the table. I mean,

30:47

Forest, Brentford, Luton, Sheffield United, they're the

30:50

big ones aren't they? That

30:52

went over Burnley at the weekend. Huge,

30:55

absolutely huge. Yeah, huge. And they

30:57

play again at the weekend where

30:59

again the signs will come out

31:01

and the spectacle

31:04

will be toxic

31:06

almost about the Everton fans

31:11

with all the signs and the protests and

31:13

what have you. And again,

31:15

that's not what you want to

31:17

see. Nobody tunes into a game

31:19

to watch protests but that

31:22

is part of it now and Everton

31:24

have to do what

31:26

they did earlier this season, do it again. I think

31:28

they wiped out that 10 point deduction in was

31:31

it four or five games and they got basically three or

31:33

four wins in a row and

31:36

wiped out ASAP. So one win

31:39

and they'll be back where they were but it's

31:43

not to even discuss

31:47

that they could

31:49

still go down having wiped out a

31:51

12 point deduction and

31:53

in reality on the pitch they've been

31:56

probably the 12th or 13th best team in the

31:58

league nowhere near relegation. Well, over the

32:00

last few weeks, they've been

32:03

really poor. So they needed that win. They've picked

32:05

up a few draws, but they were really struggling

32:07

to find a victory. So that three points against

32:09

Burnley, as we said, absolutely massive, particularly

32:11

in the context of this points deduction now. But

32:13

it's still in Everton's hands, isn't it? When you've

32:15

got those teams around you, and I know we

32:17

don't know exactly what might happen with the appeal,

32:20

don't know what's going to happen with Forest's appeal.

32:22

So I guess all Everton can do is try

32:25

and win those games, beat the likes of Brentford,

32:27

who are pretty close to them in the table. Forrester

32:29

below them. They've got Luton to

32:31

play. They've got Sheffield United. It's still

32:34

in Everton's hands to secure

32:36

Premier League survival, even with these points deductions.

32:38

They just have to make sure that they

32:40

turn up in these games against the sides

32:42

around them, because if they don't, they could

32:44

be looking at a season

32:46

in the championship. Yeah, and Everton have been

32:49

slipping towards the championship for years now. They've

32:51

been getting progressively worse and worse and worse.

32:53

And, you know, some

32:56

of that's down to off the field stuff

32:58

with the investment and the

33:00

way they've approached things, they've signed some

33:02

horrendous players that they should never have

33:04

been near. Losing Ancelotti was with their

33:06

big gamble, I suppose. You

33:09

know, that was their big push for success. But

33:11

he left to go back to Real Madrid as

33:13

he would. But that is the risk

33:16

you run when you hire a manager of that

33:18

calibre. So,

33:22

yeah, I mean, it's interesting because I

33:24

wonder if they'd never had these points deductions.

33:28

Like, they wouldn't have got those

33:30

12 points that they got in

33:32

the immediate aftermath of their 10-point deduction. Had

33:35

they not had that deduction, if that makes

33:37

sense? It galvanised them. They played better

33:39

football. It'd be interesting to see where

33:41

Everton are on the basis of just

33:43

how they would have played had this been a completely

33:45

normal season. And there had been no

33:48

deductions or rumours of deductions

33:50

inspiring them and creating

33:53

something, because they would be down

33:55

there. They've been awful this season. They're

33:57

not a good team. the

34:00

race would have still been tight to

34:02

survive with Luton and

34:04

with Nottingham Forest to an

34:07

extent and maybe Brentford. So

34:09

it would be interesting but obviously

34:12

we've got asterisks everywhere. You look at the

34:14

Premier League table now you've got an asterisk

34:16

against Nottingham Forest name, you've got two

34:19

against Everton's name. Thanks

34:21

to these deductions and you've got to read all

34:24

the LERs they got deducted 10 points

34:26

and another two and then they got deducted

34:29

four and it just

34:31

becomes one of those things where how

34:34

would it have played out had everyone

34:37

been just allowed to

34:39

compete. I want Everton to kind of stick it to the Premier

34:41

League and those points and

34:43

options and stay up because of that but at the

34:45

same time if that means that Luton go down and

34:48

they're the ones that are feeling like well we've done

34:50

things properly etc etc and

34:52

their place in the Premier League is forfeit

34:54

because of that I can understand why

34:56

their supporters will feel a little bit aggrieved. It's

34:59

a shame isn't it that we're not just measuring this

35:01

purely on sporting merit and we're talking about what's happening

35:03

off the pitch. I just can't get my head around

35:05

it. I know I've mentioned it about four times in

35:08

this podcast but it's just it's

35:10

really draining to talk about as a supporter. You

35:12

just want everything to be in order and proper

35:14

and it isn't. Yeah and

35:16

Luton, you know the way

35:18

Luton of approach this season has been

35:21

amazing. When they came up into the

35:23

Premier League they didn't, we've

35:25

seen teams come up earlier

35:27

than planned financially

35:31

before we've seen it with Nottingham Forest. They

35:34

came up they signed loads and loads

35:36

of players obviously they're getting punished for it now and what

35:38

have you but the point remains

35:40

that they took that gamble and Luton have gone

35:42

we're not going to take that gamble we're going

35:44

to be responsible with the club because

35:46

we don't know how this

35:49

could all come crashing down

35:51

on us and we'll go back to league

35:53

two in the national league quicker

35:56

than we know then

35:58

it's worth it you know 10 years ago

36:00

they were playing in the National League. If

36:03

they came up and were irresponsible with their funds

36:05

and using

36:08

the money wisely and not taking

36:10

silly risks, they could easily go

36:12

back down to where they came

36:14

from type of thing. But

36:17

instead they came up and they signed

36:19

cleverly, you know, Ross Barkley on a

36:21

free, Andras Townsend who was practically

36:24

retired basically. He was doing more

36:26

pundit work than training. Signing

36:29

them types of players and trusting the lots

36:31

that got him promoted. You know, as

36:33

I mentioned before, Peli Rota Campansi has played in

36:36

every division for them. Amari Bell,

36:39

Tita Mengy, Tahith Chong came

36:41

in for it. I think it was 4 million. So they

36:43

could have signed him when they were in the championship but

36:45

they did. Luke Berry has been there since they were in

36:47

the league too. Carlton Morris, Adebayo, you know,

36:49

scored a lot of goals in the championship for

36:51

them, scored a few. I think he's got nearly

36:53

10 in the prem so far this season. So

36:56

I like the way they've done it. I

36:59

like that they're

37:01

still scrapping. I think they deserve to stay up. They've

37:03

also lost Tom Lockyer, you

37:05

know, to crazy

37:07

circumstances which

37:10

you don't expect. But you

37:12

know, there's no scope for that in the

37:14

Premier League rule

37:16

book, you know, even though, you

37:19

know, other teams are getting hammered

37:21

for things which they

37:23

thought were in the rules and you get Luke

37:26

battling against the tide type of thing and

37:28

still going and still in with a shout

37:30

of surviving. But you

37:33

know, it's just it's one of those seasons that

37:35

will only be remembered like you said for points

37:37

deductions and off field myths really.

37:39

It's pretty exasperating trying to talk about all of

37:41

this off field stuff. Let's hope we're talking about

37:43

more of the on field issues in the near

37:45

future. Although it doesn't feel like that's going to

37:47

be the case based off of what the Premier

37:49

League have dished up for us this

37:52

season so far. We always try and tackle

37:54

the big talking points, whether they're nasty off

37:56

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