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we're going to kick off today's show by

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talking about the champions, not of the Premier

4:32

League, of the championship. And that

4:34

is Leicester City who secured the title

4:36

with victory over Preston North End on

4:38

Monday night. I think everyone knew from

4:40

probably the first month of the championship

4:43

season that Leicester would be right up

4:45

there. They've obviously got a really talented

4:47

squad with some Premier League players still

4:49

at the club. They've brought in experience

4:52

like Harry Winx from Tottenham and Connor

4:54

Cody from Wolves to get them over

4:56

the line and back to the promised

4:58

land of the Premier League. Mission

5:01

accomplished for them. Yeah, 100%. I

5:03

think at the start of the season I

5:05

was shocked that Leicester were 7-1 to win

5:08

the championship title, which was

5:10

huge. Looking at

5:12

the players they've got, you know, they've still got genuine Premier League

5:14

players. They said it a couple of months ago. Winx,

5:17

Cody, Ricardo Pereira, Varda,

5:20

even though he's getting all the ENF show, Tewsbury

5:22

Hall, they're all, you know, unchallenged

5:27

as in they are Premier League players, like they should be

5:29

in the Premier League. You can't

5:32

offload everyone when you go down to the championship. You

5:34

make little changes here and

5:36

there and you lose your bigger earners

5:38

like Harvey Barnes, for example, and U.E. Tealemans,

5:41

etc. James Madison, yeah.

5:45

And then you regroup and go again and,

5:47

you know, they've

5:51

been very good under Enzo Mareska, you

5:53

know, bringing in a different style of

5:56

play, you know, a very highly rated manager with

5:58

his time at the city

6:00

football group and Manchester City in

6:02

recent years and stuff like that.

6:04

So it's been wobbly

6:09

at the end. There was that

6:12

period in the last few weeks where no

6:14

one looks like they want to get promoted

6:16

but then Leeds has fumbled it pretty badly

6:18

and end up having to probably go through

6:20

the playoffs with Ipswich winning last

6:22

night as well. I think it's especially the point

6:25

from the final game and

6:27

then they'll be in the promise line which is incredible. I think the

6:29

last time they were in the Premier

6:31

League, Titus Bramble was at the back for them.

6:34

Marcus Stewart and a younger Marcus

6:36

Bent I think was there as well.

6:39

So yeah plenty of new faces coming

6:42

into the Premier League but Leicester

6:44

deserve to be there. They've probably got the

6:46

best chance of staying up next season. However

6:49

there's still a few holes to fill watching them.

6:52

You still look at them and think that might

6:54

not fly in the Premier League but cross

6:57

that bridge when you come to it just get there first and get

7:00

that prize money, get that TV money and

7:02

everyone's a winner really. Truth be

7:05

told Joel they should never have been relegated from the

7:07

Premier League last season in the first place. When you

7:09

look at the squad that they had Marley's already reeled

7:11

off a few names there like Madison and Teela Mons.

7:14

With the players they had at the club there

7:16

was no chance they should have been relegated certainly

7:18

not with the manager they had either Brendan Rodgers

7:20

and obviously they sacked Rodgers and

7:23

brought Dean Smith in to try and

7:25

stabilise the ship between then

7:28

and the end of the season. Never worked out

7:30

and they ended up being relegated. Well

7:32

they spent 10 years in the Premier

7:34

League, won it during that time. They've

7:37

now gone down to the championship, they've

7:39

come back up so in terms of

7:41

being a Leicester City fan those supporters

7:43

have had remarkable highs and lows to

7:45

deal with over the last 10 years.

7:48

From promotion originally to scraping

7:50

to stay in the Premier League to winning it to

7:52

winning the FA Cup and then dropping out of the

7:54

league last season when nobody expected them to. It's been

7:56

some ride for those fans. defines

8:00

just resilience and

8:02

topsy-turvy results is less.

8:05

I mean even just before the ones that

8:07

you mentioned I keep remembering the Troy Dini

8:09

winner that put them out of the playoff

8:11

final and then about two three

8:13

years later then winning the Premier League title.

8:16

It's just, it is a crazy, they've been

8:18

on such a crazy journey and then like

8:20

you mentioned under Brendan Rodgers I was thinking

8:22

they've got the right guy now he's gonna

8:25

absolutely solidify them as this top

8:27

eight side they're gonna keep trying to

8:29

get in with it within the top six

8:31

and then all of a sudden after winning the

8:33

FA Cup just capitulation

8:36

and that kind of defines their club to

8:38

be honest ultra highs and then just real

8:41

sudden lows I'm not sure what the issue is

8:43

with it I think they might just suffer from

8:45

that syndrome of when their

8:48

club are doing very well the big

8:50

clubs coming coming prowl take the best

8:52

players and then they have to try

8:54

and recuperate and then it starts falling down a little

8:56

bit. It's a shame with Brendan

8:58

Rodgers because it felt like the right

9:00

appointment following you know the Ranieri stability

9:02

and then after Brendan Rodgers it felt

9:05

very unstable but yeah I mean what a

9:07

ride the last 10 years for a Leicester

9:09

City fan I mean I don't think I

9:11

can name a football club that's been through

9:13

more drama than that club in

9:15

those in that time period. You

9:17

mentioned there trying to put your finger on where

9:20

things might have unraveled for Leicester City and

9:22

I think that there are a number of factors. One

9:25

of those is what we were talking

9:27

about on yesterday's episode of Football Social

9:29

Daily which is wages and

9:31

how much people are being paid. Brendan Rodgers did

9:33

a good job at Leicester I think it's fair

9:36

to say won them the FA Cup got them

9:38

two fifth place finishes in all fairness

9:40

they should have finished higher they

9:42

bottled forth twice some might argue

9:45

they could well have been in the Champions League and

9:47

that changes things again but based off

9:49

of the fact they were a top six side for

9:51

two to three seasons they did win a major trophy

9:53

in the FA Cup. Players were put

9:55

on good money I think the manager was well paid

9:57

as well in Brendan Rodgers and I think that that

10:00

might have caught up with Leicester actually, particularly

10:02

when they had a bad campaign last season

10:04

and they go down and all of a

10:06

sudden you've got issues financially to deal with

10:08

because your revenue in the championship is

10:11

nowhere near what it is in the

10:13

Premier League, it's a complete drift in the ocean. So

10:16

in terms of Leicester having the best chance

10:18

of staying up, let's say is it Switch

10:20

and someone like Leeds or Southampton get promoted

10:22

through the playoffs, I'm

10:24

not sure how much we can read

10:26

into their performance this season and the

10:28

players they have now when it

10:30

comes to hazard a guess

10:32

at how they'll do Mali back in the

10:34

Premier League next season because there have been

10:36

reports and rumours that a points deduction could

10:38

be on the way for breaches of financial

10:40

rules. Of course PSR was

10:42

in play in the Premier League when

10:44

Leicester were last the Premier League team

10:47

which was a season and a

10:49

half or nearly two seasons ago now. So

10:51

we don't know whether the rules might

10:53

change and that might absolve Leicester of

10:55

any punishment but at the same time

10:57

it's difficult at the moment to figure

10:59

out where the club will start next

11:01

season at in the Premier League. Will they

11:04

be starting on a level footing of zero points

11:06

or will they be beginning the campaign with I

11:08

don't know let's just say minus four akin to

11:10

what Nottingham Forest were given. Yeah

11:12

I hope this goes

11:16

away to be honest. I don't want this starting

11:19

on an uneven keel because you've

11:21

spent slightly too much three

11:24

years ago or whatever it's not right

11:27

is it to be honest especially if the rules

11:29

change. I mean the rules might change

11:31

just in time to save them to be fair

11:33

and maybe it's

11:35

a different punishment we don't know what's going to happen yet

11:37

but obviously Forest and Everton

11:40

fans won't be happy with that because they'll probably be thinking

11:42

well if we got punished then everyone should be get punished

11:44

but as I said on the

11:46

point of million times in the past three

11:48

months you know they shouldn't

11:50

have in our view they shouldn't have

11:52

been points punished anyway it shouldn't have

11:55

shouldn't have ever come to this really but that

11:58

is what it is and that's the situation. from

12:00

ring so we'll have to wait and see what

12:02

happens to Leicester

12:04

but they'll be confident I

12:07

think they can come

12:09

back and make an impact because if you

12:12

look at the teams that

12:14

have come up I would definitely argue that Leicester

12:16

have got way more talented squad than Sheffield United

12:18

had this season and probably Burnley

12:20

as well in terms of experience of

12:22

that Premier League Premier League

12:24

in the past you know Connor Cody for example,

12:27

Oxford Experience you

12:30

know Wilfred and Deedee still there, Jimmy Vardy

12:32

still there, Ian Acho has been around a

12:34

long time, Winx,

12:36

Prat, Riccardo, Pereira they're all there

12:38

so. If you think about it the

12:41

majority of that squad like you say Marley they were the

12:43

ones that were challenging for that top six anyway

12:45

I'm quite surprised that they managed to retain the majority

12:47

of that I think that just comes from when you've

12:49

got such a packed squad you can only get rid

12:51

of a certain amount really like and you only have

12:54

to get rid of the big ones so you can

12:56

keep the rest of them like and also when

12:58

you go down to the championship you're selling players at a cut

13:00

price if Leicester had stayed up Madison would have gone for 60

13:02

and not 40

13:04

I mentioned just a second ago we don't

13:06

know whether they'll start on zero points or

13:09

whether they'll start on a points deduction at the beginning

13:11

of next season but I was speaking to a Leicester

13:13

fan actually at the game I was

13:15

at the weekend bumped into him and we were having

13:17

a chat about our respective club seasons obviously him being

13:19

a Leicester fan and me being a Portsmouth fan we've

13:22

both been lucky enough to win our leagues this year

13:24

because I mentioned to him I'm a bit worried about

13:26

Pompey staying in the championship it was taking us seven

13:28

years to get out of league one don't want to go

13:30

to the championship and come straight back down that would just

13:32

be a disaster and it would suck all energy out of

13:35

the club and the fan base because that's

13:37

just what football does it plays with your emotions these

13:39

absolutely spot on Joe isn't he you kind of have

13:41

to enjoy the moment because football is

13:43

always about what's next you know you see this every

13:45

time Arsenal win a game people are all they've gone

13:48

a bit over the top haven't they well listen enjoy

13:50

the moment enjoy winning because there will be a time

13:52

when you're not winning and more

13:55

often than not for clubs like Portsmouth and Leicester they're

13:57

not winning so you have to enjoy it I hate

13:59

that Watson next question. It

14:01

happens all around sports. The worst sport it happens

14:03

in is the combat one. They've worked their arses

14:05

off for about six months, gone through blood, sweat

14:07

and tears and after it's like, so who do

14:10

you want to fight next? They're like, I've just

14:12

bounced the thing off the club. Big black guy

14:14

with bloody nose and it's like, oh, are you

14:16

having a scrap? And it's like, I just enjoy

14:18

what I've done right now. I don't have to

14:20

think about another grueling six month camp, you know,

14:22

in the woods and chopping trees. The only thing

14:24

they're thinking about is flipping five guys burger or

14:26

something that they starved themselves off for just to

14:29

make a 10 stone cut. Yeah, like

14:31

10 stone lids. Yeah, rather

14:33

than rehydrating them, dehydrating themselves just to

14:35

make weight just before the fight is

14:37

crazy to me. And it's the same

14:39

thing in football, you know, even after

14:41

Ranieri won the league, it was like,

14:43

right, so what are the targets for

14:45

next season? And it's like saying to

14:47

someone, well, let's the city have just won

14:49

the league title. We don't need to think about

14:51

anything else. We could retire this club right now

14:54

and not play again for the next 20 years

14:56

and our fans will be happy. Like we have

14:58

achieved the dream. And I think it's

15:00

just the fast pace of sports. Everyone just wants

15:02

to know what's the next thing, what's the next goal?

15:05

I think it's life in general, to be honest.

15:07

But yeah, I 100% agree, you

15:09

know, especially with your team and with Lester, how

15:12

quickly things can change within a year. I

15:14

mean, I don't think Lester fans would have

15:16

expected after winning an FA Cup to them

15:18

being the championship. And I don't

15:20

think you would have expected after winning an

15:22

FA Cup to be then in league one,

15:24

league two, you know, three, four years later,

15:26

things change on a dime in

15:28

football. So you really have to just enjoy

15:31

the seasons, especially when you're in

15:33

the lower leagues, because one financial

15:35

change or one issue with the ownership

15:37

and suddenly you might end up finding

15:39

yourselves with a points deduction, like what

15:41

Reading have gone through. And then you

15:43

start, you know, trickling down the tables,

15:45

trickling down the leagues and, you know,

15:47

you look at Wigan Athletic and Charlton

15:49

and these teams were just really prominent

15:51

Premier League sides and now suddenly, you

15:54

know, they've almost disappeared off the face of

15:56

the earth. So you do have to really

15:59

capture the moment because it can change so

16:01

very quickly. Right, well done, Leicester.

16:03

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16:05

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16:07

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16:09

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replaced Steven Gerrard, their home record of

19:21

it apart has been exceptional. Is a

19:23

man with thanks of experience and I

19:25

think a man with a point to

19:27

prove molly because didn't work out from

19:29

us know. When. We talk about manager

19:31

the season. He. Has to be in the

19:33

conversation Disney in I'm Marie. Yes,

19:35

he does. And he's.

19:38

In of have a look for look whether the

19:40

were a note that spent a bit to be

19:42

sad book you've gotta get to know the players

19:44

that road then. You. Know it. Is

19:47

almost single handedly ended Steven Gerrard Korea

19:49

plus it's by him you don't think

19:51

he about squad scrapped and relegation and

19:53

in a look in looking awful to

19:56

be honest a very easy to be

19:58

as to deliver that point. And

20:01

it always is now. Seen.

20:05

A scoop it up the money and now

20:07

in Saudi not a it's a really good

20:09

job. They're either a new name race to

20:11

come in a took visited. New

20:13

levels in although he signed really well,

20:16

And. He. Spent well

20:18

I when they spend money is is come

20:20

off my leo barely was was a great

20:22

great sign him city of is a good

20:24

sign in am and couple of the of

20:26

the players in pro in have been through

20:28

the times like was on the will of

20:30

didn't in may cost anything think he alone

20:32

isn't a sir I know is not tied

20:34

every him every game but is if you

20:36

get in player that Niklas on your low

20:38

as a squad player. Dot shows

20:41

you the strengthens of he scored really.

20:43

And you gonna do it cleverly though

20:45

And you could it be back in

20:47

willing to spend it. We've got to

20:49

spend the cleverly the same time to

20:51

get it done if the really well

20:53

and Emery's you know instilled. I

20:55

think it is that distinctly different city. What he

20:57

did it villa room what he did Arsenal was.

21:01

You. Know he went into arsenal and everyone

21:03

was like it's gonna be too fast

21:05

of anger and then that. The.

21:08

Squad was probably almost like well awesome didn't

21:10

do realize this and more. You know we've

21:12

got used to it in a little bit

21:14

and then said little bit Tomas are just

21:16

too much change and. Through no

21:18

fault of his own he wants to do

21:21

is is things his own way an but

21:23

Emrys Lung said he wants to club where

21:25

he can tick charges and everything and to

21:27

himself to do that with Sin Sin Billie

21:29

it eighteen months. Of it has

21:32

been anyone in the league an. Avatar

21:35

Months City. And.

21:38

As good as them in services points

21:40

points return night that. To. If

21:42

you give him the keys to the council. You.

21:46

Know that the sky's the limit. such

21:48

sick or think that's absolutely the t

21:50

because he for me manages light someone

21:52

with a chip on his shoulder. With.

21:54

A point to priests and whether that's to

21:56

ask, know or to general Premier League fans

21:59

or to himself. It. Seems to be

22:01

working. And. Actually, what I like about

22:03

you and I am Murray and will I like

22:05

about this decision that Villar have taken to extend

22:07

his contract. they've triggered an option so he's got

22:09

a thirty year til at least two thousand and

22:11

twenty seven and a think the club are planning

22:14

to sit down with him once the season is

22:16

over and Illinois where they are in terms of

22:18

Champions League or not to discuss a longer term

22:20

contract even. But what I like about. Emery

22:23

is he's a project manager. And

22:25

what I mean by that is. It.

22:27

Doesn't feel to me that like and these

22:30

contract conversations a think or evidence of that.

22:32

That if a big club. An.

22:35

Estimator: A big club By the way. Big club

22:37

in this country. But if I'm talking like a

22:39

European superpower like it's like apply Munich For example,

22:41

when. We. Don't have a manager in

22:43

the summer? will come on crap, you know. emery. I

22:46

don't feel like he leaves Aston Villa. What?

22:48

I mean by project manager is he spent all

22:50

of that some at Syria. Joe. A

22:52

small he said. it felt like he had control of

22:55

the situation. We are ya the same? After.

22:57

I think the short spell at P a

22:59

C were once again he did try managing

23:01

the elite club if you will and it

23:04

didn't work out for him that well. then

23:06

he goes to Villa ironically turned down Newcastle

23:08

in the process not dunno why that was

23:10

and maybe molly consider bit more lie on

23:12

that bought a sexy decided to let Molly

23:14

said take control of the whole situation does

23:17

feel like own i Emery's operation because when

23:19

we talk about clubs now we talk about

23:21

a this point directories through the had a

23:23

recruitment is etc etc. With. Aston Villa

23:25

you to sofa and I'm right in my opinion

23:28

when people talk about the work that is going

23:30

on there he taught just about the manager. Is.

23:32

just commanded respects has any i mean

23:34

when you take your mind but so

23:36

when he was arsenal and he had

23:38

the media taken the macau of high

23:40

pronunciation words in english like he was

23:42

a d was destined for sale you

23:45

when you taken over similar awesome bangor

23:47

someone is basically the sega head of

23:49

the club almost like when moyes took

23:51

over sir alex ferguson it was just

23:53

like a poisoned chalice it was destined

23:55

to fail he eats i don't think

23:57

any manages ever going to succeed these

23:59

types of manages unless you've got

24:01

the right things going on upstairs. And I just

24:03

think for Arsenal, they just couldn't get over the

24:05

Arsenal Mengele like what Marley said. And it was

24:07

just destined. You're almost being like

24:09

a stopgap manager before you then go onto the

24:11

real thing. It's similar to mine. You know, this

24:13

is why we were talking about on Schlot yesterday

24:15

on the podcast. And that's why I don't think

24:17

it's that bad of an appointment from Liverpool if

24:19

they do go for him. I feel like he's

24:21

a bit of a stopgap myself personally, waiting for

24:24

the real option. Who knows? But in

24:26

terms of Unai Emery, when

24:28

he's coming to Aston Villa, let's not forget,

24:30

he went in with little expectation in terms

24:32

of what to do because Steven Gerrard had

24:35

them relegation candidates pretty much. So Unai Emery's

24:37

come in and they pretty much entrusted him

24:39

with the club to say, do

24:42

what you can with it, bring who you

24:44

want in, whatever transfers, we'll mould our recruitment

24:46

strategy around how you want to shape our

24:48

club. Whereas I think at Paris Saint-Germainen and

24:50

I asked, I think it was the polar

24:52

opposite. Whereas we're gonna control how we want

24:54

the club to be and you're gonna be

24:56

the coach. He's the

24:58

coach versus the manager, isn't it? The villa reason

25:00

manager. And that strikes me the same as Pochettino.

25:02

I feel like they're in a very similar mould

25:05

where you need to give them the keys to

25:07

the palace. You need to allow them to really

25:09

get their hands involved in all areas and really

25:11

allow them to build the club. And that's

25:13

why I feel like Emery struck gold with

25:15

Villa because like you say now, Villa aren't

25:17

a small club. So unless someone

25:19

absolutely giant comes in for him or

25:21

some of their players, I

25:23

don't even think they're at a risk of getting

25:26

poached. So you know, like I mentioned with Leicester,

25:28

when they have a great season and all the

25:30

Hawks come praying around and taking their best players.

25:32

At Villa, I feel like it's a very different

25:34

scenario because they're already at a pretty big club

25:36

and I think the players know that and I

25:38

think they know they're going somewhere as well. So

25:40

I don't think they're at real danger Of that

25:42

occurring anyway. You say that though, but I

25:44

Do think if an offer came in for

25:46

Ollie Watkins, for example, they might ask for

25:48

80 million pounds, but I don't think that

25:51

that would stop Watkins leaving to go to

25:53

another club, even if Villa finishing the Champions

25:55

League places. And I Don't know whether that's

25:57

just because Aston Villa, this is their first

25:59

season really. Being in and around the top

26:01

five, I don't think there's that many that that

26:03

would be. Threatening. To. To.

26:06

Maybe be pope's to think of puppies

26:08

it every martinez. Let me walk ins

26:10

is had a great season. I'll be shocked if clubs on

26:12

him for in the summer is twenty nine know. Is.

26:15

Even if you know in terms of like big

26:17

money or even I go and spend the sack

26:19

of money villa would one are you gonna go

26:22

on spend on a twenty eight twenty nine year

26:24

old striker. Like. For me especially when

26:26

is Bill on pace for kids? Is L

26:28

A C C sounds to slow down with

26:30

these I he's muscle injury as he gets

26:32

towards his thirties. And. Now

26:35

the manga to huge risks anyone personally and

26:37

as English on top of it as well.

26:39

So in our who would, who would. See.

26:42

That as a good financial investment and

26:44

I don't. The gazing walk into Sunday's

26:46

assumed his place avila run and is

26:48

called our goals for them for is

26:50

on the face. It feels to me

26:52

like this is a situation which bill

26:54

of now landed themselves in in a

26:57

good way Which is okay. This is

26:59

our. Sir. Alex Ferguson this

27:01

is are awesome thing that this is our

27:03

yard and clock. This is ah man who's

27:05

gonna stay at the club and do things

27:07

his way. And remote and

27:09

rebuild every time it's required. An

27:11

established villa. As. A

27:14

European club. Once. Again, that's why

27:16

feel within. I'm Marie. When. You in

27:18

trust him and he's proven this at the

27:20

club's dogs who did this as severe and

27:22

of the or a out when they in

27:24

trust him and they let him lead to

27:26

does ruin free. Bring. Huiyuan seen in

27:28

terms of his coach in his methods rarely

27:30

just I feel like Emery just needs to

27:32

be warmly embraced by a club because when

27:35

you went to Arsenal like they were there

27:37

almost patronize any when he was that it

27:39

was almost had the weren't given in the

27:41

respect seattle we deserve. This guy came in

27:43

as a pre you know a second say

27:45

European champion he was do really well with

27:47

severe his team was so hard to be

27:49

and then it ass not just of thing

27:52

even the media gave him the respect he

27:54

deserves. A theme of funds were born over

27:56

by him and he was. Just he was.

27:58

He was destined Sids and not. In

28:00

the boy villa he's almost like the

28:02

one of the biggest named manages they've

28:04

had. In a long,

28:06

long, long time he comes in

28:08

almost like. He

28:11

almost in a way in which Ancelotti went

28:13

into Abbott's in as if I'm on the

28:15

big guy here now kind of thing. Like

28:17

I'd come on, come on, Numerous pets at

28:19

this club and they've They've given him that

28:21

responsibility value by allowing him to bring in

28:24

whatever coaches he wants. He look at the

28:26

backroom staff. Aston Villa or apart

28:28

from i think the set piece coach that

28:30

all Spanish or all basque which helps massively

28:32

it helps us especially for hims of philo

28:34

have club and a know the upstairs Aston

28:36

Villa work so well with him in terms

28:38

of they've got gray system going on I

28:40

mean you look at the recruitment the made

28:42

me said the ah be from labour coups

28:44

and i'm sorry that see the got city

28:46

les les the que sin at the time

28:48

they did at have Calhoun on what they

28:50

do good by me me that a great

28:52

season with with a villa Douglas Louisa gone

28:54

on to another level John Mccain gone to

28:56

another level Ali. Watkins as transform this season. yeah

28:58

see so much credit to you and I am

29:01

rica that because we didn't quite see on the

29:03

Gerrard and when the Dean Smith as well he

29:05

it's not like was a Job Greeley club through

29:07

that they moved on a hell of a lot

29:09

since the got Greeley stays at the really to

29:12

relying on that one month to change again for

29:14

them. food. I Am Radio has had his year

29:16

extension in Israel, a contract triggered so he'll be

29:18

saying so at least twenty twenty seven. Good chance

29:20

he'll put pen to paper on a longer term

29:23

deal in the summer as well. Let's also touched

29:25

on another contract. As. For the

29:27

Newcastle midfield up, Bruno Kamara, he's not signed a

29:29

new one. It's come out in the press molly

29:31

that his release clause is about one hundred million

29:34

quid are done or when that expires. But.

29:36

Effectively how release clause is work as we

29:38

all know is a someone comes in and

29:41

plays the money. He's.

29:43

Gone. So. There

29:46

is an element of vulnerability that the if

29:48

someone came in with a hundred million quid

29:50

on the table for Bruno Mars. Would.

29:52

You be happy to accept that

29:54

as a Newcastle fans as well

29:56

if how how it works. The

29:58

clause in in this specific contacted

30:00

them when he signed a new

30:02

deal i think it is by

30:04

year ago and he. Now

30:06

has as a clause which begins at the

30:09

end of May so the end of his

30:11

season and and a expires at the end

30:13

of June. So any club one and m

30:16

has a month to pay a hundred million

30:18

quid and. If they

30:20

don't pay at the close expires in essentially

30:22

that these are the place days an. Essay:

30:25

I think advancement in a sunni festival to say and

30:27

write that is price and this is when you can

30:30

buy him because we don't want it dragging on as

30:32

he had a lot of want to disrupt the whole

30:34

transfer window to yeah you don't want to call him

30:36

back in pre season it always bruno stay in. Do

30:38

we do put him in the team? Do we do

30:40

we build around him. There's an element

30:42

as. Psr. See.

30:45

This whole thing as well because as we've mentioned,

30:47

did nothing and forest or decided not to sell

30:49

on a Johnson before the thirties of June and

30:51

appear saw that line is that they held on.

30:54

That could have soared into Athletic loans that they

30:56

held on for an extra seven million they got

30:58

from Spurs two months later and now they've had

31:00

a point that option on the pitch because I

31:02

decided to take a gamble and not fall in

31:04

line with Pair Saw. This might be immaterial because

31:07

we don't know what can happen here. Saw might

31:09

be completely changed or taken away next season, but

31:11

still when this. Contract. Was

31:13

initiated in. This clause was inserted

31:15

that must have impart the thinking

31:17

whereas you not to say. If.

31:20

We go sell this guy wouldn't one hundred

31:22

million before the series of June and that

31:25

boosts the finances and. So. Of.

31:27

Mates. The accounts more healthy for the following

31:30

season. Get. Hundred percent.

31:32

You know it, Sam. This. Is

31:34

a dread to think what the ones

31:36

that the deal would have been under

31:38

the previous ownership and management I think

31:40

I'll amber. A few years ago we

31:42

lost Mccown the Reno for ten million

31:44

quid real sociedad and is one of

31:46

the best midfielders we thought in in

31:48

a while these in the spice asshole

31:50

team now is is one of the

31:52

captain's that Real Sociedad. Is. It

31:54

absolutely mint player and we signed him on the

31:56

cheap. But. We didn't. We. didn't

31:59

trust him We put it in like

32:01

we didn't sort of Put a high

32:03

enough release closing so rail source if I came

32:05

in went 10 million. Yeah, of course like and

32:07

just we have no You

32:10

know no plan for without him. So now

32:12

we've actually got plans For

32:14

when our star players leave if they want

32:16

to leave type of thing and

32:19

we I think we signed in for 40 million

32:21

from Leon Bruno Gomares and Obviously,

32:23

you've got to get a decent whack on on

32:25

the decent return on that if you if you

32:27

are to selling 100 million plays

32:30

are going left right and sent an alpha 100 million

32:32

if Moises Kai C The

32:53

entire time since the Mickey book Until

32:57

he comes on and does a bicycle kick right around the

32:59

bicycle kick in a game He's

33:02

got levels to get to us for us, but nice.

33:05

Um, he's proof It is arguably he's probably

33:07

the best enemy fielder we've ever had in

33:09

Premier League in

33:11

Premier League years, so Yeah,

33:14

he's up there with like Rob Lee and you

33:16

know, probably better than Johan goodbye,

33:18

for example He was

33:20

good to be fair. Yeah slightly better than you

33:23

know, Jimin genus and and Clarence O'Kunya

33:25

and Hugo Viana and people like that

33:28

Yeah, he's um, he's top quality, but obviously

33:31

I hope he doesn't go Well Bruno Gomares has a

33:33

100 million pound release clause in

33:35

his Newcastle contract There's Marley outlines there whoever wants

33:37

to trigger it needs to do so by the

33:39

end of June So we'll keep a close eye

33:42

on that one and next on football social daily

33:44

We're going to talk about VAR because of course

33:47

we have to we haven't gone a Week

33:49

this season without discussing VAR Howard Webb The

33:51

Referee Chief the head of PG MOL has

33:53

been on the telly once again Talking about

33:56

some of the mistakes that his staff have

33:58

been making. We'll talk about it. This

34:09

is what was also daily fall apart of

34:11

today's podcast it's subscribers follow wherever you listen

34:14

to your show. Isn't that why you might

34:16

miss another one? Howard Webb has been on

34:18

the telly talking about some of the issues

34:20

that referees have faced over the last few

34:23

weeks. In terms of the decisions they've gone

34:25

either right or wrong or the ones that

34:27

ruff India and disputed. Now this all comes

34:29

off the back of that crazy nothing and

34:31

for his statements from last weekend were effectively

34:34

they accused sewer at well, He

34:36

was the vr in that game against Everton of Be

34:38

in a t. Reading between the

34:40

lines, they didn't say explicitly but they

34:42

insinuated that the referee secrets and cheating

34:45

is a full now Of course that

34:47

cause the real stuff and we. Had

34:50

our say about sit on the following Monday

34:52

morning or Football Social Daily. but Howard Webb

34:54

as now come out and made a few

34:56

comments after reviewing some of the key penalty

34:59

decisions across the Premier League in the last

35:01

few weeks. One of the quotes that stands

35:03

out for me though Joe. Football.

35:05

Is officiated by see human beings who

35:08

are making judgments. Which

35:10

to me is just the same as it has been

35:12

for the last the hundred and fifty years. Of.

35:14

Professional Football. So. The

35:17

bit that really frustrates me here is

35:19

the have vi in the game to

35:21

help make more right decisions. But

35:24

I think the whole point of Vr

35:26

and the perspective on it. Has

35:28

been entirely walked to the point

35:30

where fans. Pay. Is even

35:32

club owners as we see with for

35:35

a statement. A chasing

35:37

refereeing. Perfection. In

35:40

this sports, refereeing perfection does

35:42

not exist. It cannot exist.

35:45

It will never exist. So

35:47

we're trying to chase something. That.

35:50

is a fabrication you can not

35:52

get every decision right one hundred

35:54

percent of the time is not

35:56

possible so i think that that

35:58

is part of the suit the

36:00

stigma around VAR and it being 100% right, 100% of the

36:02

time, that is a stigma that

36:06

the referees in the PGMOL will have to try

36:08

and smash through and I think that they're going

36:10

to find it more and more difficult the more

36:12

and more decisions they get wrong. The

36:15

issue we have is that in

36:17

our society technology usually equals

36:20

perfection so if you've

36:22

got data that needs to be drawn

36:24

from somewhere it's usually pretty perfect. If

36:26

you've got like a maths problem or

36:28

something like that is usually pretty perfect

36:31

but like you've just said when it

36:33

comes to football VAR

36:36

is a virtual assistant, it's an

36:38

assistant referee, it's not the the

36:40

answer referee it's an assistant referee

36:44

that tool is for them to use

36:46

to make a decision humans make a

36:48

decision off it. Football will always be

36:50

subjective and this is the thing everyone

36:52

needs to remember like you just said

36:54

it's been subjective ever since it was

36:56

created what like 150 odd years ago

36:58

and it will never ever change unless

37:01

it becomes absolutely binary where you've got

37:03

you know black and white choices like

37:05

you mentioned now a few times of okay

37:07

if the ball touches your hand it's handball

37:10

like if it becomes that level then

37:12

yeah VAR can decide everything

37:14

for us but the video

37:16

is for the people to interpret if it's

37:18

right or wrong people have different

37:20

opinions and interpretations of laws in different contexts

37:23

so it's like you say it's never ever

37:25

gonna be perfect because our opinions are not

37:27

perfect either so it's never gonna be the

37:29

right way. And we all understand Joel why

37:31

Forrest pissed off we get it

37:34

we understand if I was a Forrest fan I'd

37:36

be frustrated as well not getting

37:38

penalty decisions in a critical game against

37:40

Everton when points are absolutely precious right

37:42

now and could cost Forrest

37:44

their Premier League status so I totally

37:46

understand it but the fact

37:48

that Forrest have accused the

37:50

referees of being corrupt and things like

37:53

that some fans actually agree with

37:55

it they do think that there is

37:57

underhandedness to refereeing and as

37:59

Joel mentioned They can't always be

38:01

accurate. It's genuinely impossible for

38:03

referees to always be accurate. Now, that's

38:05

not to say that they shouldn't be

38:08

held to account for some of the

38:10

poor decisions they've made. They

38:12

should be making better decisions. I think we can all

38:14

agree the standard of refereeing in the Premier League over

38:16

the last couple of years has been poor, to say

38:18

the least. And the way that VAR

38:20

has been used has been really poor as well. As

38:22

far as I'm concerned, refereeing

38:26

is no different now than what

38:28

it was pre-VAR. Just

38:30

you've got that barrier of technology which sometimes

38:32

gets more decisions right, which is what we

38:34

want. We want as many right decisions as

38:37

possible, but also you lose many

38:39

aspects of the game, such

38:41

as elements of the entertainment side

38:43

of football. The spontaneity is celebrating when you scored

38:45

a goal, only to have that ripped away from

38:47

you. The emotional heartbreak of the game changes

38:50

again entirely. So VAR

38:52

has been placed in the game to

38:54

improve it, but it's also made

38:57

the game worse in some aspects. Yeah,

39:00

I mean, it's almost

39:03

football almost sold its soul a little

39:05

bit to chase this perfection. In

39:10

total honesty, it doesn't exist exactly what

39:12

you said before. It can't exist. It

39:14

will never exist. It has never existed.

39:18

As long as you've got humans in charge

39:20

of the game, we are humans. We make

39:22

mistakes. In different walks

39:24

of life, Premier

39:26

League referees are no different. I

39:29

think it's sometimes get lost to how hard

39:32

a Premier League refereeing job is and

39:34

how hard being a linesman is. And

39:37

even linesmen, you could probably argue now they're

39:40

completely irrelevant because you've got VAR in the

39:42

Premier League and everything can be binary. It

39:44

can be offside, yes or no. It

39:47

can be cleared up by a camera.

39:49

But as we've seen... Your fouls

39:51

can't though. No fouls can't. So that's why Premier

39:53

League referees are always going to be, you

39:56

know, Subjective and think

39:58

something's a foul. That you nine

40:00

referees may think it the fall out one will

40:02

not. Like you heard in the

40:04

audio with them with Howard Webb and and

40:07

retailer the referee he was I he was

40:09

convinced it wasn't a penalty and there are

40:11

so young again. So to the Doj. And.

40:14

You know, the majority of the football

40:16

in the audience thinks it was. Ultimately,

40:19

We're not. We're not as qualified to

40:22

give our judgment as he is. However,

40:25

The. I'd

40:28

the replays and stuff sure that

40:30

it. More often than not, they're given

40:32

as penalties. So. It's

40:35

clout with your how do you even and

40:37

how didn't do this as I don't even

40:39

know anymore because we look everything So friends

40:41

at T Now every game is on Tv.

40:44

Every angle was analyzed and you get seat of a

40:46

a r shots when you're watching a game on the

40:48

Tv. Just. Think that. Everyone.

40:51

Now has this perception of a are in

40:53

their head and they think they know what

40:55

they're looking for. and again it's all about

40:57

being transparent and communicating people and sometimes even

40:59

the is still don't get us. But once

41:01

you make of him. Defending.

41:03

The standard of refereeing is that just him

41:05

keeping his employees effectively onside. Or do you

41:07

think he genuinely believes that the refereeing has

41:10

been good enough? The season is the same

41:12

way a manager will come out after six

41:14

and deceit and protect his place is the

41:16

same thing. Isn't a lot going to come

41:18

out and obsolete A Blitzer A every referee

41:20

and say the rock for up and a

41:22

thing we need an absolute revamp in the

41:24

system, but. If he

41:27

were to go bad see the semi

41:29

final of the champ easy between Chelsea

41:31

in Barcelona when there was a number

41:33

of crazy issues and I was previously

41:35

are. You. Can probably hedge your

41:37

bets. The a couple of those Humboldt my still

41:39

have been given with V a R. Because.

41:42

He just purely depends on who's on

41:44

the V a r on the day

41:46

but you want to. You would expect

41:48

with more football referee brains together that

41:51

they would ultimately comes to the right

41:53

decision. Rather than does leave. And it's

41:55

about one person who is still qualify to do it,

41:57

By the way, But that's why I've always been a

41:59

massive advocate for. the in the referee go

42:01

to the screen a decide for himself because

42:03

he would have decided on the pitch regardless

42:05

with or without vr he would decided it

42:07

anyway. So let's say the Ashley Young incident

42:10

with Column and I was in a Doj

42:12

heat out of the give a penalty initially.

42:14

And. He does kind of went away from it to

42:17

the was his decision he will and if we didn't

42:19

have a I would have carried on without. And you

42:21

know what Molly mentions, black and white and things being

42:23

binary in there are elements of that in the game.

42:25

Why think it needs is a referee to be brave

42:27

enough? See. For instance, that Ashley

42:29

Young one that you're talking about against Forest.

42:32

Blow. Your whistle and say. Don't

42:34

know. I'm giving a penalty because of want to stop

42:36

the game on? Want gone? Have a look at the

42:38

screen. Spot. He has to give

42:40

a decision one way or another thing. never do that but

42:42

it's is that they they they had a to make a

42:44

decision one way or another so see blows his whistle and

42:47

goes are not given a penalty. Or. Just

42:49

wanna stop the game because I don't know. And

42:51

I'd rather. Go. And check the screen

42:53

a find out but there's no so of way

42:55

a referee can do that in the game. And

42:58

other how me separatists. In. A match

43:01

she would have I was my art galleries the

43:03

just tell him in his it of this been

43:05

an incentive we're not quite sure so you go

43:07

unchecked and maybe ultimate decision. Find.

43:10

Because then I think fund the dispersed re

43:12

that we've got these invisible people somewhere else

43:14

making the choice for his but he thinks

43:16

Ashley Young as played the ball. In

43:19

the situation, you're talking about it, He and he's

43:21

wrong. Is. And of said wrong on that. Way.

43:24

When I got the ball on all is is

43:26

different said did he play the ball the up

43:28

the mid know it the tenth place more genuinely

43:31

convinced in his head that he thinks young as

43:33

played the ball or is he just not sure

43:35

but thinks more so that young plate the ball

43:37

to see why media one of those were his

43:40

his com gray area Yes it it's like sixty

43:42

forty. if is sixty forty that the bulls been

43:44

to eat. That's still a majority

43:46

but is it enough and it's to see get

43:48

into these sorts of conversations and he just saying

43:50

well can we not just then wait for the

43:52

time the ball goes out Play next. And guy

43:55

right? Listen, let's give me a minute. I'm going

43:57

to go to screams of wanna check something that

43:59

wasn't convinced of. The time. But.

44:01

He in that moment Anthony Taylor was convinced

44:03

by the way that he blew his or

44:05

didn't close with so and waves play on

44:07

the as a young did play the ball.

44:10

And I think that that's the thing we need a referee

44:12

to be brave enough to come out and say, Joe, a

44:14

boy's I'm not sure about that. And that's

44:16

okay, that so Ted rather not be sure

44:18

stop the game Thirty seconds guy. get the

44:20

right season. Well. In that moment,

44:22

the referee didn't thing. Maradona humbled is.

44:25

So. Denise to be told, go unchecked scurrying

44:27

than leg muscle, He's going to a hundred

44:29

miles an hour These games. That's why I

44:31

have so much sympathy for them. because they

44:33

have passed. House. To make a

44:35

one split second judgment and then not. See.

44:37

An angle again I'm I'm quite surprised by

44:40

that. To be on is a still think

44:42

the needs the too many nuances to the

44:44

system that the haven't we saw it when

44:46

and Newcastle had that into incident with Arsenal

44:48

and it was a bit of a a

44:51

mess and then do with obviously the Liverpool

44:53

on which was a mess the so learning

44:55

on the job bus though thing and nice

44:57

to be streamlined so much more give more

44:59

power to the up to a referee thus

45:02

does my toes on it and when. He's.

45:04

Convinced. And for the

45:06

the one things got the audio is he

45:08

is absolutely convinced that the coming together on

45:10

first few. An Ice The

45:13

I think the I think there's a A R

45:15

T. Guidance.

45:17

Of how convinced he is. And.

45:20

They almost agree and say yeah, it's going

45:22

to gather. Book A Coming together is such

45:24

a great. Topic. In football like

45:26

a common to get it can be a fumble.

45:29

You know it doesn't. Is nobody intentionally trying

45:31

to trick them. One in the box. A

45:34

com A can be a coming together way.

45:36

your legs dangle and.is still a family. So.

45:39

It was very scruffy. Basso yeoman and the

45:41

one. The. One thing you should

45:44

be a seizure of when you see that

45:46

shown to the first time is put l

45:48

a with thousand bit scruffy because young young.

45:50

Hit through the birth to them and you know

45:52

whose whose book gets the ball says he can't

45:55

possibly see the up. Seventy. Five

45:57

minutes into the game. You. Know

45:59

and you one in at Yale full pass. The

46:01

ball comes along where the referee us to

46:03

look from Chris Wood to. All

46:05

the way across the saw a pittance gonna cross

46:07

and see where is in it's. It's.

46:09

Impossible to see it. first time without.

46:12

Having not like. Allowance for

46:14

yourself Say I would like to have a look

46:16

of again. I think that's what

46:18

my associate of up and cause you might change

46:20

minds. Innocent only changed your mind if you see

46:22

it again. You. Know. Like Joe said,

46:25

If the referee and again. In

46:27

Nineteen Eighty Six would assume that says it. Hill

46:29

one more time Medical on. The

46:33

lodge and to the foliage punched in the

46:35

net. Yellow card Argentina free England and Peter

46:37

Shilton would be a mental mental Lydia if

46:39

is the his this for years on put

46:41

it is what is it on assess the

46:43

silence as human arrow always be there which

46:45

is why Vi needs the help them which

46:47

is the people who are control with it

46:50

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