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a fire sale at Old Trafford.

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Everything must go. But don't

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spend too much. A new Premier League

2:13

salary cap could be the next sheriff

2:16

in town. Welcome to the award-winning Premier

2:18

League podcast, Football Social Daily. My name's

2:20

Niall and we're back to a full

2:22

trio today. Myself and Marley, rejoined by

2:24

Joel. How are you doing boys? Doing

2:26

quite well, yeah. Yeah, not bad. Just

2:28

had some drama to take care of

2:30

yesterday. But we're back in action. Back

2:33

with a round shape ball. To be

2:35

fair, I've always wondered this. Rugby isn't

2:37

played with a round ball. Does a ball

2:39

have to be round? Is that what you're

2:41

saying? Yeah, it's not a ball. Because it's

2:44

not round. Same with American football. I'm saying that a

2:46

ball has to be round. Because, well, even though I

2:48

say that, golf balls aren't technically round, are they? Because

2:50

they've got dimples on them. And cricket balls have a

2:52

seam on them. So technically they're not 100% spherical. Is

2:55

it not just anything that's inflated with air? Like,

2:58

and played? Well, no. Because a tyre is a ball.

3:00

Yeah, but you can have a giraffe inflated balloon. Is

3:03

that a ball? Maybe. What a thrilling start for the

3:05

podcast. We'll put this one in for the award nominations,

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shall we? I was going to say,

3:09

you'd think it was the international break with this

3:11

sort of conversation. Riveting. Absolutely a rivet. We've gone

3:13

too early on this. We've actually got

3:15

some good topics to discuss as well. So everyone

3:17

better stay tuned. We

3:20

certainly do have some good topics. There's a flash

3:23

sale on the cards at Manchester United,

3:25

according to the newspaper reports. The

3:28

Premier League have decided between all 20 clubs

3:30

that a salary cap may well be introduced

3:32

in the future. And Liverpool might well have

3:34

found their successor to Jurgen Klopp. So I'll

3:36

tell you what, lads. Seeing as there is

3:38

so much to talk about, where do you

3:40

want to start? I think the

3:42

salary cap stuff is interesting. It

3:46

affects every team in the league, isn't it?

3:48

So let's leave Liverpool and Man United stuff

3:50

until slightly later. You're just saying that

3:52

because there's no Newcastle stuff to talk about.

3:55

Apart from the fact that there's a 100 million

3:57

confirmation of a buyout clause in Brisbane.

3:59

Bruno Gomez's contracts, which has now been confirmed. We've

4:02

not talked about that yet, have we? Mark,

4:04

we'll see how that's for later in the

4:06

week. That's for another podcast. So on tomorrow's

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podcast, we'll have Bruno, we'll have What Football

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is the Best Shape and

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Brankin, our top five sports.

4:17

Unai Emery's been offered a new contract at Aston

4:19

Villa as well, apparently. David Moyes as

4:22

well at West Town. We haven't spoken about those two

4:24

situations, but I'm sure we will get to that in

4:26

due course. So tuning in to today's social daily

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to make sure you never miss an episode, whether

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we're talking about normal shape balls or different shape

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balls, then hit and subscribe is the right way

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to go about it. So make sure you

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do that. But yes, let's start with that

4:39

Premier League salary cap. Twenty clubs have voted

4:41

in favour of developing plans to introduce a

4:43

cap on spending. This

4:46

comes in the wake of what we've

4:48

seen this season, Joel, which is the

4:50

profit and sustainability rules really decimating the

4:52

seasons of Everton, who have had eight

4:55

points deducted. Of course, they've had more than

4:57

that, but some given back. Nottingham Forest have

4:59

also had points deductions. We're still waiting to

5:01

see the outcome of the appeal from those

5:03

two clubs in terms of how things are

5:06

resolved before the end of the season. And

5:08

particularly in Forest case, as Everton are now

5:10

confirmed as safe, whether that impacts their survival

5:12

in the Premier League for this season. What

5:15

a spending cap would effectively do would

5:17

limit what clubs are able to spend

5:20

on transfers, on player wages

5:22

and on fees paid to agents.

5:25

So there have been a few ideas

5:28

floating around in terms of how this

5:30

salary cap would work. Before

5:32

we get into the nuts and bolts of what

5:34

those ideas are and what the Premier League clubs

5:36

have voted to look into, what

5:39

are your thoughts in general on the

5:41

idea of introducing a salary cap? Is

5:44

it an idea you like and you welcome? Or do

5:46

you think it's an idea that needs to be approached

5:48

with caution? I think it's

5:50

quite important because we've

5:52

reached a point in football where it feels like

5:54

it's going out of the control of the people

5:56

who are actually in control of it. I

5:59

can only speak. for my own club when

6:01

I say I'd actually be in favour of

6:04

this sort of thing because we actually spend

6:06

ridiculous amounts of transfer fees and wages on

6:08

plays that probably shouldn't ever get those kinds

6:10

of wages or transfer fees. I think it

6:13

will make clubs work in a way which

6:15

is a little bit more sustainable, a little

6:17

bit more strategic and a little

6:19

bit more calculated as well because the

6:21

crux of it all is that it's

6:23

designing spiralling wages and transfer costs to

6:25

basically stop and to allow

6:27

clubs to pretty much stop making

6:30

considerable losses and

6:32

not allow just the transfer market and agent

6:34

fees. I mean if you've seen the agent

6:36

fees that English clubs spent last year it's

6:38

hundreds of millions of pounds and that's money

6:41

that's been taken out of the game. So

6:44

that will encapsulate all of those fees being

6:46

spent, the transfer fees, that all encapsulates it

6:48

and in my opinion I'm in favour

6:51

of it because it just, I think it allows for

6:53

a bit more of a tight and knit competitive

6:56

landscape let's say where you're not

6:58

seeing Manchester City, maybe

7:00

Newcastle when they're allowed to spend stupid amounts

7:02

of money whenever they want and then the

7:05

rest of the league are kind of fluttering

7:07

behind trying to solve their own PSR issues

7:09

and thinking oh well we can't spend this

7:11

much because we have to sell a play

7:13

here. I've been very vocal about that,

7:15

I hate the fact that clubs have to sell some

7:17

of their best assets just to balance the books. For

7:20

me it's ridiculous but if it's

7:22

in a way which makes teams increase

7:26

like their sponsorships and their revenues in a

7:28

bit more of an organic way then I

7:31

think it's a little bit better. An independent

7:33

regulator in English football is almost certainly on

7:35

the way Marley and I think that this

7:37

has encouraged clubs to maybe look at the

7:40

way that the finances are dealt with in

7:42

the Premier League. The independent

7:44

regulator almost certainly would have also introduced

7:46

some sort of spending limitation or spending

7:48

cap so I think this is again

7:51

the Premier League trying to take the

7:53

situation into their own

7:55

hands. I've always been a flag bearer

7:57

for the idea that clubs should and

8:00

the percentage of the revenue they

8:02

make on players, whether that's transfer

8:04

fees, wages, agent fees,

8:06

etc. as Joel was saying. I've always felt

8:08

that that was a good way

8:10

to go about it. This system that is

8:13

allegedly being looked at for

8:15

the future is slightly different to that.

8:17

It will take the club who has

8:19

earned the least amount of broadcast revenue

8:22

out of the 20 clubs in the Premier League and

8:25

times that by a multiplier. Let's just say it's

8:27

five times or six times, something like that I

8:29

think is what they're looking at, a ballpark figure.

8:31

Four, it's four and a half. Okay, four and

8:34

a half. To use four and

8:36

a half as an example, Leeds United, let's say

8:38

they made £100 million, which was

8:40

the lowest amount of broadcast revenue in

8:42

the Premier League last season, and

8:45

times that by four and a half. That means £450 million

8:48

is the most that a club

8:50

can spend on transfers, wages

8:53

and agent fees. Do you think

8:56

that that's a system that will work or do

8:58

you think it will encourage clubs from overseas to

9:00

come in and purge the Premier League of its

9:02

best talent? Well, it's interesting that Joel said

9:05

that he was happy and

9:08

welcoming to this because Man United were one of

9:10

the teams that voted against it, with

9:12

Man United, Man City and Villa

9:15

voting against it, and Chelsea abstaining

9:18

from, which is bizarre to me. If

9:20

you ask 20 teams to vote, I don't say

9:23

why you can refuse to vote if

9:25

you're Chelsea. But then again, Chelsea

9:27

and business decisions don't exactly

9:29

add up in the past, well, since

9:31

2003, since Roland and Pravovich came in, to

9:33

be fair. Yeah,

9:35

to go sort of answer your question,

9:37

I think this

9:39

is, in theory,

9:42

it's good. We

9:44

need to put

9:46

the brakes on where football is going, in

9:49

terms of money. The market

9:51

has gone crazy in the

9:53

past seven

9:55

or eight years, and it just goes up and up and up,

9:57

you remember, growing up. When

10:00

Louis Figo and players like

10:03

that, Zidane was the best player in the world and they

10:05

go for 50 million and now you get,

10:08

average player for 50 million pounds, you know. You

10:11

get a 30, what, 32

10:13

year old Casamiro for 60 and I

10:16

know he's been world class but he's

10:18

not at his current moment for example

10:20

and there's millions of examples of it.

10:22

Nicholas Pepper is 72 million. Kepper, Ariza

10:25

Balaga, 80 million. The

10:27

game is going too far. Chelsea's

10:31

spending a billion. It's just

10:33

ridiculous because if the bubble bursts, everyone's,

10:37

like, the game is knackered. The game

10:39

is completely gone if the bubble bursts.

10:42

I don't think it's actually too much to

10:44

do with transfer fees even though that Coutinho

10:46

deal from Liverpool to Barcelona and the Neymar

10:48

deal from Barcelona to PSG from a few

10:50

years back seemed to completely over inflate the

10:53

market and as is the case with capitalism,

10:55

once prices go up, very rarely do they

10:57

come back down and I feel like that's

11:00

a trend that's been followed in the football

11:02

transfer market but in terms of the transfer

11:04

fees, they are getting a little bit out

11:06

of hand but it's the wages for me

11:09

that's the big problem. So if you look

11:11

at the average spend for Manchester City,

11:14

the average weekly wage for a Manchester City player

11:16

in the first team squad is £200,000 a week.

11:20

If a player is being offered £400,000 a

11:23

week like David De Gea was at Manchester United or Kevin De

11:25

Bruyne I think was offered £350,000 to £400,000 a week, if I'm

11:27

a player and a club

11:31

or an employer is offering me that, you're

11:33

not going to say no to that. So

11:36

I don't like the idea of players

11:38

being perceived as greedy because

11:40

in that situation, I think we all would accept

11:42

that amount of money a week. I think we'd

11:45

be silly not to, right? But

11:47

again, I think that there is a problem

11:49

here that if the average salary for

11:52

Manchester City, it's £196,000 a week.

11:56

That's in the season 22-23. per

12:00

week was £45,000. That

12:03

is a massive, massive discrepancy. And yes, there

12:05

is a massive difference between Manchester City at

12:07

the top of the Premier League and Brentford,

12:09

a relative newcomer, competing with other sides in

12:11

West London who are a small club punching

12:13

well above their weight and I can understand

12:15

all of those factors. But it's

12:17

the wages as well that are just absolutely

12:20

insane. I mean, you've mentioned Chelsea, their average

12:22

salary for 22-23 was £185,000 a week. Now

12:27

that just puts them in a position where if this

12:29

new system is adopted, players are going to have to

12:31

take wage cuts. And whether that

12:33

means that players then leave the Premier League to

12:35

find the financial backing that they want

12:37

elsewhere, Joel, is definitely a

12:39

question that's open for interpretation. Yeah,

12:42

and I think to make it clear, this

12:44

isn't about football players earning too much and

12:46

we don't think they should earn that amount because the kind of

12:48

foundations of this is that football is, 0.01%

12:52

of footballers are providing the entertainment for

12:54

about a billion people around

12:56

the world. So I think instead of supply

12:58

and demand, they're probably earning what they're worth

13:00

in terms of what they supply to billions

13:02

of people around the world. But I think

13:04

it's more so a case of making

13:07

sure clubs aren't over-leveraging themselves because

13:10

you said they're about Brentford. For

13:12

them to then keep up and keep competitive, they're going to

13:14

have to keep raising their wages and

13:16

everyone else has to keep raising their wages and

13:19

suddenly you get yourself into a situation like Barcelona

13:21

did. I know they're not in the Premier League

13:23

but kind of similar model where

13:25

they're paying ridiculous salaries that they

13:28

can't afford and then

13:30

suddenly a few years later, they're having

13:32

to sell their club like it's a

13:34

jigsaw piece just to be able

13:36

to meet the rules of their own

13:38

league. And I don't think the Premier League wants that

13:40

to happen. Obviously this PSR one is

13:42

not fit for purpose at all. I think

13:45

it's so anti-competitive. But this

13:47

one, I think it just removes all

13:49

that ambiguity and it just

13:51

allows everyone to see exactly where they are

13:53

every single summer without the Premier League having

13:55

to retrospectively look at, Oh,

13:58

actually in that summer last year, you did.

14:00

quite meet the boundary by about 10 million so

14:02

we're gonna start docking points off you. We don't

14:04

want to be in that situation again this is

14:06

clear as day what you need what you can

14:08

and what you can't spend because we

14:10

don't want to be in a situation where one

14:12

of the top clubs turns into Barcelona and

14:15

they're completely leveraged up to their eyeballs

14:17

and then suddenly their success on the

14:19

pitch deteriorates they can't quite keep up

14:21

and it just creates real

14:23

like disharmony I think in the league when

14:25

that sort of thing happens so I'm forward

14:27

to be honest I get my molly things

14:30

I'm surprised but my club has

14:32

spent absolutely recklessly in the last 10 years

14:34

and I'm actually sick of it happening so

14:36

maybe they'll start thinking a little bit more

14:38

with their brains unless with the wallet and

14:40

trying to attract players based on stupid fees

14:42

and more be a bit more calculated with

14:44

it in my opinion. Well it is

14:46

interesting that you mentioned your club Manchester

14:49

United because that's what we're going to

14:51

talk about next reports in the newspapers

14:53

today claiming that nearly every single Manchester

14:55

United first-team player is for sale this

14:58

summer and we'll talk about it next on

15:00

Football Social Daily. I'm

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that is a harsh lesson in

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bringing a bunch of big names together I didn't want to

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do another stomp you out speech it opened up so many

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to the deal listen

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is the award-winning Premier League podcast SSD football social

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daily thanks for joining us I'm Niall Marley and

15:45

Joel with me and in the first part of

15:47

the show we talked about this proposed Premier League

15:49

salary cap do you agree with it do you

15:51

think it's a good idea do you think that

15:53

the Premier League should have done this a long

15:55

time ago you can have your say over on

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can have conversations with like-minded Premier League

16:06

football fans. Now though we're going to

16:08

talk about Manchester United because reports in

16:10

the papers today claiming Marley that every

16:12

single player, bar a couple, is for

16:14

sale this summer. This all comes

16:16

off the back of the new investment of INEOS

16:19

and I think many people have been saying that there

16:21

needs to be a reset at the club and the

16:23

recruitment hasn't been good enough. Every single

16:26

player is for sale aside from

16:28

Rasmus Hoyland, Coby Maynew and

16:31

Alejandro Garnaccio, even Bruno Fernandes

16:34

who I think it would take a huge offer

16:36

to leverage him away from Manchester United is

16:38

on the market according to the latest reports.

16:41

Man United have got a lot of

16:44

not fit for purpose players, you know, it

16:46

comes back almost relates perfectly to the salary

16:48

cap thing. You've got a lot of guys

16:50

taking the piss out of the salary cap,

16:52

they're on mad money where

16:54

you could get two players for the

16:56

price of what you're paying. One for

16:58

example, you know, Maynew's came through and

17:00

he costs barely anything. He's

17:03

a better investment away

17:06

from the pitch and on the pitch as better

17:09

than Casamiro for example, he's got longevity,

17:11

he costs a fraction of the price.

17:14

And I think Man United are

17:16

obviously aware of that with this

17:19

report coming out that everyone's for

17:21

sale practically bar three or

17:23

four players. However, what it

17:25

doesn't do is guarantee that

17:28

those players are going to leave because I've

17:30

said for a long time that when you get to

17:32

a club like Man United, the only

17:34

way out of Man United is down really

17:36

unless you're world class and they don't have

17:38

any world class players. Long

17:41

gone are the days where they had Cristiano Ronaldo

17:43

and he was the jewel that then got sold

17:45

to the elite club which was Real Madrid for,

17:48

you know, huge money, a world

17:50

record fee and got all the massive wages

17:52

off the books so they could reinvest it.

17:55

Also they didn't reinvest it well

17:57

enough, you Know, they still...

18:00

With and in my pillow in Missouri play

18:02

the like the opportunity to spend it wealth,

18:04

they just balls it says. I just think

18:06

this is really interesting when it comes to

18:08

addicts and hard because he was given the

18:10

keys really to the transfer policy or at

18:12

least that's what we've been led to believe

18:14

through the media over the last few years

18:17

and he a sign players for big money.

18:19

Rasmus Hoyland is one of the players that

18:21

he signed for sixty million pounds but isn't.

18:23

Available. For transfer. According to

18:25

the newspapers. But. Andre

18:28

Nona? First season. What? Did they pay?

18:30

Fifty to sixty million pounds for him

18:32

And Sunny? Eighty five million pounds

18:34

two seasons ease up for sale, someone

18:36

like Luke Shaw for example who isn't

18:39

an addict and hawk signing but as

18:41

struggled to stay sit. Really good player

18:43

and England regular. Bought. Is

18:45

it time for them to part ways with him

18:48

because he can't stay fit? Harry Mcguire cost eighty

18:50

million pounds, but that was five or six years

18:52

ago and maybe they'll get twenty five, thirty four

18:54

him back. See United going to bite losses and

18:56

Eric's and Hob Joe is gonna be left with

18:59

quite a few things of blame been pointed at

19:01

him in terms of investments that were made on

19:03

the transfers side. Under his request.

19:06

The haven't worked out Drew Remo

19:08

and. Rang. Mix in when

19:10

his final press conferences said that the

19:13

club needs open heart surgery. This.

19:15

Is what with seem Right now, this is

19:18

the culmination of the last ten years and

19:20

mismanagement. Lie molly settle on hangers

19:22

on in the club earning ridiculous salaries that looking

19:24

my lottery wins a thing for Love them see

19:26

we said Ralph was right at the time order

19:28

to present it means about get the by Munich

19:30

job it like ah it was it was home

19:32

truths and have all the money if and fans

19:34

but none of that thought the sense of about

19:36

like ah club like this are a lot and

19:38

did on social media lc we did not think

19:40

a lot of in agree that See was an

19:42

offering lot of a lot A lot of them

19:44

agreed it was the hierarchy of it didn't agree

19:46

and I was about to get the job by

19:48

Munich so he's the last laugh in that one.

19:51

I mean is funny, Our football works both.

19:53

Dot. The quote is just so

19:55

true because. the club pets

19:58

though the olive players that should be

20:00

there and they've been there for a long long time

20:02

now for example Luke Shaw I'm

20:04

gonna be pretty reckless in

20:06

this assessment of it but in the 20 25

20:10

games we get out of him a season

20:12

apart from that he's not available you're good

20:14

if you're available that's like half the way

20:16

towards being a good player being available 24

20:18

out of 7 in terms of

20:20

your availability and then you've got him

20:23

compared to Bruno Fernandez worlds apart

20:25

absolute worlds you know what I mean you've

20:27

never injured Bruno and then you've got the

20:29

signings that ten Hogs made which then had

20:31

new hierarchy and now gonna almost have to

20:33

reverse because he should never been in a

20:36

position to be almost the direct sort of

20:38

football so now I actually

20:40

feel for Brailsford and Radcliffe and Barada

20:42

now because they were almost looking at

20:45

this situation thinking we've got a basically

20:48

unpack everything that's happened in the last 10

20:50

years more so the last

20:52

two years because of the reckless spending which

20:54

means that we now cannot spend as much

20:57

as we could have because I think even

20:59

Richard Arnold mentioned the previous man United CEO

21:01

as he went out that that Anthony transfer

21:03

was not even in the plans but

21:05

the fact that Eric Tanard push for it at

21:07

the end of August meant that the next summer

21:10

which is the summer that's just gone and we

21:12

had no money pretty much to spend it was like a

21:14

sell to buy policy so this summer

21:17

without Champions League football is gonna be even

21:19

tighter than it's ever been before and

21:21

yet they still have to deal with all

21:23

these high salaries that the squad needs open

21:25

heart surgery feels like even more so so

21:27

it's gonna be a really difficult summer but

21:30

obviously you've got Jason Wilcox who has just

21:32

come in there are new executives on the

21:34

way I mean the Dan Ashworth situation continues

21:36

to rumble on in that dispute between

21:38

Newcastle Manchester United Omar Barada is

21:41

on his way in in the summer as well but

21:43

when you look at the players that Eric Tanharg has

21:45

brought in and this is what I'm gonna keep coming

21:47

back to Anthony 85 Jayden Sancho

21:50

I think came in under Oligona Solskjaer but

21:52

he's isolated him since he's been

21:54

the manager due to what feels like a petty

21:56

dispute from the outside there might be way more

21:58

to it but it's stuff Just like

22:00

that where you think, what was it, they dropped 75

22:02

on Sancho, 85 on Anthony, 65

22:06

on Andre Onana, 60 on

22:08

Casamiro. And there's a chance that all of those players

22:10

could probably go for £150m combined. And

22:14

yet they probably paid £300m for them all. So

22:17

they've lost 66% of their value in

22:19

two seasons. Exactly

22:21

that. There's nothing more than needs to be

22:23

said. It's just reckless, reckless spending. The United

22:26

have been the worst at it

22:28

in the last 10 years. And that's why, you know

22:31

what baffles me even more now that you've just

22:33

ticked off all those names is just how careless

22:37

the hierarchy of being at Man United

22:39

for 10 years. Can you imagine Procter

22:42

& Gamble, one of the biggest businesses

22:46

in the world, and their hierarchy

22:48

don't do any research. They

22:50

just think about making a

22:52

profit, commercial, and then the business just unravels

22:54

in front of them. But because there's such

22:57

a big name to continue on, that's what's

22:59

happened at United. The Glazer family have looked

23:01

at the commercial value, which will always be

23:03

huge because the fan base is huge. And

23:06

they've looked at the spreadsheet every summer and thought,

23:08

good job, Ed. Thank you. We'll see you

23:10

next year. Thanks for the dividend. Completely

23:13

forgot everything else, what it takes to run

23:15

a football club, which is basically what goes

23:17

on on the pitch, what goes on in

23:20

the equal recruitment room, what goes on in

23:22

terms of transfers. When you look

23:24

at Manchester City in terms of their approach compared

23:26

to Man United, and I hate to say this,

23:28

it's just night and day. They've run like a

23:30

football club with business people who

23:32

know how to progress it. Man United have

23:35

just got business people. By the way, the

23:37

Glazers played a blinder, but we haven't got

23:39

football people. I'm so happy that we actually

23:41

have. That's the thing. When

23:45

Man City put this project in place

23:48

to catch the top clubs in

23:50

the country, you know,

23:52

you catch a team

23:56

on the pitch by what you do off the pitch.

23:59

You Can't just... Fi above

24:01

you wait. You've gotta make them. Make

24:04

them gains in the boardroom and

24:06

then they are. Reflected.

24:08

On the pitch you you have a

24:10

better chance of policy. You you put

24:12

smile deals in place. You do you

24:14

better school when you. You. Know.

24:17

You. Make those little gains and and month

24:19

that you don't know in the past ten

24:21

years you know that been very very good

24:24

at going forward and and select in players.

24:26

Walking. Away if the get this they feel that

24:28

again the pants pulled down. And money,

24:31

I haven't done that in a as

24:33

Joel said that the glazes the just

24:35

leeches, it's an ink. It's probably the

24:37

best financial decision. Dave

24:39

every they've ever made. They didn't have the

24:41

money to buy Manila if they they loaned

24:43

it and then salvage the club. with that

24:45

the they're still struggling to pay off Would

24:47

still baffles me when we talk about Ff

24:49

pay that money. I sat there as a

24:51

club in. Half however much

24:54

that it is a got done even

24:56

know that the figure anymore Brits it's

24:58

it's masses and. And.

25:00

Yeah, that's that's where my night out. How

25:02

did? How do you. See.

25:05

The in a white that often and start

25:07

again and try and make those gains que

25:09

you have to the top. You

25:12

know they have an ad. The guys in there. That.

25:14

Want to look in the mirror and say. We've.

25:17

We've messed this up because this had

25:19

so many leeches in the boardroom where

25:21

the glazers a happy cause in a

25:23

join our beds bloody. Agree to deal

25:25

with Remington for a hair stylist partner

25:28

and it's bringing in five million a

25:30

season and all you could give them

25:32

is ten social media posts a year

25:34

or whatever. You. Know that's

25:36

not, that's not gonna do you anything

25:38

on the pitch. Sooner or later, somebody's

25:40

gonna cut you up and and up

25:42

in really quickly. And unites

25:44

Been. Reflected by money in that

25:46

when in the premier league and. In

25:49

ten years, eleven years where every coin of by

25:51

now so. Yeah. Question for you

25:53

both on the back of now same it majority

25:55

the squad's of the sale. Marcus. rushers

25:58

in a bit of a talk on

26:00

the back of this story. I know what I would

26:02

say as a Man United fan, so I'll say it

26:04

after you guys, but let's

26:06

say hypothetically Arsenal, Pais-Sanger-Man,

26:08

we know that Alcalave is a

26:10

massive fan of Rashford, they're coming

26:12

with a £60-70 million bid. Should

26:16

they accept it? Who would they replace it with?

26:18

Would you get rid of him? What are your

26:20

thoughts on that? Well if the article that we're

26:22

reading is true, we're led

26:24

to believe that yes they would accept it, because every

26:26

player is up for sale. So I'm going to turn

26:28

the tables back on you both and we're going to

26:31

play a little game here. Uno, that Uno reverse card

26:33

by Nyle. Uno reverse card of keep,

26:36

sell or don't know yet.

26:38

Let's start with Rashford. Okay let's start with Rashford,

26:40

but we'll go through the squad in number order

26:42

after that, so let's go with Rashford, keep, sell

26:44

or don't know. Me personally I wouldn't

26:46

sell him, he's a

26:48

local guy, when he's on it

26:51

he's on it and I don't know who I'd replace

26:53

him with, unless it was like Rafa Liao, which we're

26:55

not going to get, I don't see

26:57

many plays we could really get. Keep

27:00

him, because he, I think

27:02

the problem's a manager, I don't think he's being managed

27:04

well enough, we've seen the levels he can get to

27:07

and for me it'd be stupid to get rid of that. You've

27:09

got to put your confidence in a player to get back to

27:11

a level with the right coaching and the right you

27:15

know surrounding. Yeah but you did get 30 goals in

27:17

a season. I know but what happened since then? Something's

27:20

happened, I just think 10 hard is not the

27:22

man for it. I think Rashford carried Manchester United

27:24

last season to be perfectly honest with you, if

27:26

it wasn't for his goals who knows where they

27:28

would have finished? 100%. Who knows? Let's

27:30

do this quick fire though, you just need to give

27:32

me a rapid answer off the top of your head.

27:34

We're going to say sell a lot in the next

27:36

30 seconds. Yeah probably, you may as well just like

27:38

use my one line and then just keep pressing it.

27:40

Hang on, every time you say sell I'll use that

27:43

slot machine sound effect that I used for the arm

27:45

slot at the start. Just a little cue for what's

27:47

going to come on next. It's going to be like

27:49

we're in the MGM Grand in two seconds

27:51

time. That's where I'll be next week

27:53

so looking forward to it. Victor Lindelof.

27:56

Sell. Amravat.

28:00

Though we live in selling with a

28:02

load of concerned about it he said

28:04

ff a cease and desist sorry mcguire.

28:07

See. Cel.

28:10

If it's the right amount. Is in

28:12

get any like. To

28:14

and you can delete for that sick he's

28:17

got that every once in a go that

28:19

Lisandro Martinez. Keep. Keep

28:21

Mason Mount. Grew

28:24

by for free the split Consumers Book

28:26

keep. Yeah,

28:28

keep. Just. About. Bruno.

28:30

Fernandez yet keep when do the same

28:33

wasn't keep Hello Marcial should have filled

28:35

in Five years of i'm gonna hopes

28:37

up Spain jokes I already success yo

28:39

yo soon as the Us he said

28:41

the top nice to be ruthless the

28:43

summer and he decided to keep a

28:46

man who's been there since twenty fifteen

28:48

and he's only scored eight goals if

28:50

he's willing to take a twenty grand

28:52

contracts glove contract seen a couple of

28:54

months less still it up or down.

28:56

There are things my last year. Keep.

29:01

I'm sitting up with its Sell

29:03

Him on Us Sally Longest references

29:05

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29:07

I'm S A T

29:10

deep. Test. The mirror

29:12

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29:14

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29:16

says vara. Sell. Food

29:19

An opportunity to guess that Good for a good

29:22

yep big salary bird bucking the wage budget? Yeah,

29:24

yeah it just for that reason Lola, Molly said

29:26

him because he is available. It's I care about

29:28

The reasons are you keep and or sell income.

29:30

I'm. So sorry the

29:32

odor dollar. Since.

29:36

He anthony tell. The

29:39

truth. T.

29:47

I'll move on modicum side Andrea and on

29:49

sale. Sharks.

29:54

Are one The Sasha Cel. Jonny

29:57

Evans, Is putting to.

30:00

Retired or sympathies the totally clean, slightly

30:02

thinner who you wait for a license

30:04

on. he as. Assess

30:08

as got my summer know the final one because

30:10

the rest the kids and it's no no point

30:12

getting into map. Keep. Keep

30:15

him. Or he gets a

30:17

lot more pleasant Thought you'd keep. but how he

30:19

will mantis united actually keep us so we don't

30:21

need a squad. Buddha said once you. Take.

30:25

Mantis United finishing tense.

30:28

Next season. If all if

30:30

the dead wood with cleared out that it

30:32

is they saw surgeries. Gonna believe who left

30:34

on the blades are you The full of

30:36

the plans were unveiled about a renovation of

30:39

Old Trafford or a new stadium and wheels

30:41

with put in motion away from the pitch

30:43

in terms of recruitment etc etc and he

30:45

had players brought in that you knew. Would.

30:48

Be there for the long haul. Like Rasmus

30:50

Hoyland who's Distance went to who's clearly a

30:52

project for the future. More. Plaza that

30:54

would you take Mantis United mincing eighth, ninth

30:56

or tenth in the Premier League next season.

30:58

If you could clearly see improvements were going

31:00

to happen both on and off the pitch

31:02

in the years. Following. Gonna happen

31:04

Anyway, Now let me what we're clear

31:07

in our a vassal is firmly under

31:09

the influence of Stockholm syndrome and is

31:11

used to this. Crap. And this

31:13

way to go nowhere and you have the same

31:15

cyclists our quite good at a oh where is

31:17

either that or is under the influence of to

31:20

the spotless about current of president more than about

31:22

mile or so you that have to. Assess

31:26

the senate building the safer for

31:28

everyone. he's a liar by alice

31:30

member. ssssss not light of our

31:32

that was. So let's let's move

31:34

on with your job as embark.

31:36

Let's move on and let's talk

31:38

about Manchester United. biggest rivals in

31:40

English football that is Liverpool. Football.

31:43

club who are out of the title race

31:45

to think we can will say that albeit

31:47

not mathematically but the not gonna win the

31:49

premier league this season after dropping points in

31:51

the last few weeks which means the yoga

31:53

clock is gonna leave liverpool with just that

31:56

taobao cop picked up this season who will

31:58

replace him that's been a question on everybody's

32:00

lips all season, now it looks like the

32:02

Firenord manager, Arn Slott, could be the man

32:04

to come in and fill that

32:06

massive void. We'll talk about it next on

32:09

Football Social Daily. Final

32:18

part of today's FSD Liverpool

32:20

have agreed in principle a

32:23

deal to bring Firenord manager,

32:25

Arn Slott, to Anfield. Jurgen

32:27

Klopp's tenure as manager of the club

32:29

will come to an end this summer.

32:31

He is a Liverpool legend, he's won

32:33

everything there, Premier League, Champions League, all

32:35

of the domestic trophies, but

32:37

just the Carabao Cup to send him off

32:39

into the sunset with after Liverpool have tailed

32:41

off in this title race this season. Now

32:44

we've spoken about Eric Tenharg and Manchester

32:46

United already on this podcast and actually

32:48

Dutch managers, there's not been

32:51

too many successful ones in the Premier League

32:53

era. If Eric Tenharg wins the FA Cup

32:55

against Manchester City, he would become, in terms

32:57

of trophies won, the most successful Dutch

32:59

manager ever. So in terms of there

33:01

being a blueprint for Dutch managers coming

33:03

to the Premier League, there isn't really

33:06

many who have paved the way, put it

33:08

that way. So Arn Slott is someone who

33:11

is clearly a talented coach, much

33:13

like Eric Tenharg was. How

33:15

much of a risk or a gamble is

33:18

this Marley to bring someone like him into

33:20

Liverpool to fill the shoes of a character

33:22

as sizeable as Jurgen Klopp? Well I think

33:24

everything's a gamble when you're replacing

33:26

Klopp, but you're forced into that position. At

33:28

some point that day was going to come

33:31

where he says right I've had enough, whether

33:33

that was him being

33:35

attracted away by another club or just getting run

33:38

down and sort of, you

33:40

know, disillusioned with the game a little bit which is kind

33:42

of what it seems. So obviously

33:44

you're always going to have to cross

33:46

that bridge, you're going to come to that bridge eventually so

33:48

you've got to cross it. So what

33:50

I would say, whoever is coming in, and obviously it

33:53

looks like it's Arn Slott now, he

33:55

is starting from a much better

33:57

position than Jurgen Klopp was. up

34:00

had to rebuild that club from sixth,

34:03

seventh best in the league

34:05

to title challenges. This

34:07

Liverpool team, as we've shown for 33 games

34:11

this season, are well

34:13

in with a shout of winning titles. So

34:15

you've got much less work to do. So

34:17

it's just about convincing that squad

34:20

that you're the guy who can get the best

34:22

out of their potential, dealing

34:24

with situations and

34:27

personalities that you may not have had

34:30

in the Dutch league, as no

34:32

one at Firenord is as talented as

34:35

Mo Salah or Alexis McAllister or

34:37

Virgil van Dijk or Alison, for example. So it's

34:39

a step up. But I think

34:41

with as long as the squad buy in

34:45

to what he's teaching, then

34:50

there's no reason why the camp is successful. But

34:52

the problem is with Dutch

34:55

managers, over

34:57

the course of, I'm trying, again, I think I

34:59

said something similar in the Telegram group last

35:02

week, trying, I don't mean this

35:04

in a xenophobic way, but the way Dutch

35:06

managers are, they are quite stubborn. And

35:09

they are quite, if you don't like it, you

35:12

know, you're out type of thing. Look

35:14

at Ten Heart with Sancho. Look

35:17

way back in the

35:19

90s with Rude Hulick coming in at Newcastle and

35:21

trying to bench a prime island hero for a

35:24

time we are Derby, ended

35:27

up bringing him off the bench, you know,

35:29

and just embarrassing him. And I think Hulick lasted

35:31

a matter of days after that, because

35:33

he just went for something which

35:36

he couldn't do. He didn't have the respect from

35:39

anyone or the fanbase to do that.

35:41

So, you know, Dutch

35:44

managers are always, so

35:47

after Ronald Coomans, another one, Ronald Coomans

35:49

burnt everything to the ground when he

35:51

was leaving. He's probably a massive reason

35:53

why everything are in trouble now. But

35:57

it's, yeah, Dutch managers are

35:59

always set. They always play good

36:01

football, they always play possession stuff,

36:03

it's always going to be an attractive opposition

36:05

for Premier League clubs. They all play 4-3-3.

36:09

They all have this high-press new style system

36:11

which is very in-vogue at the minute. It

36:15

hasn't stuck enough. In

36:18

principle we think that football should work in

36:20

the Premier League and it should. It

36:23

hasn't so far in the Premier League but slot

36:26

is probably taking over as good as,

36:28

if not better, a squad

36:31

health of any

36:33

Dutch manager previously. I

36:35

would probably argue. I agree with a lot of

36:37

what you say when it comes to Dutch managers

36:40

but in terms of disappointment in particular, I

36:42

don't think it's the worst move from Liverpool because

36:44

what they don't want to do is fall into

36:47

the same trap that United did when they appointed

36:49

David Moyes who at the time was a big

36:51

name in the Premier League. And

36:53

obviously came recommended by Sir Alex Ferguson,

36:55

everyone knows the story. But

36:58

after David Moyes took on

37:00

that job, it was always difficult to replace

37:02

one of the greatest managers ever and that

37:04

will exactly be the case for Arn Slott

37:06

when he goes into Liverpool replacing Jurgen Klopp.

37:09

But after Moyes fell flat on his face,

37:11

they then were chasing the big name, they

37:13

were chasing the Mourinho, the Van Haal and

37:16

even though they sort of patched it up a

37:18

little bit with a few trophies here and there,

37:20

they were always chasing their tails and trying to

37:23

chase that stability that Sir Alex Ferguson brought to

37:25

the football club. I think Liverpool

37:28

have actually probably done the right thing in

37:30

not bringing in a huge name with

37:32

a lot of hype. For instance, if

37:34

they have brought in Jaby Alonso, the hype around

37:36

him at the moment is absolutely fever pitch. When

37:39

Jurgen Klopp went to Anfield in 2015, even

37:42

though he was thought of as a big

37:44

European manager because of what he had done

37:46

at Dortmund, I don't think he was considered

37:48

in that top rung of really top elite

37:50

European managers. He is now, but I think

37:52

at the time thinking back, if I'm reflecting

37:55

correctly, social media I

37:57

don't think would have put the same

37:59

spotlight on him as it would do

38:01

now because obviously the way social media is

38:03

now has changed, the dynamic is different and

38:06

people get on that hype train a

38:08

lot quicker. For instance, Jabil Onsos managed

38:10

one season, he's done incredibly but

38:13

people are talking about him like he's now the

38:15

next elite manager, Al-Aqalo

38:18

Ancelotti who's been doing it for the last 25-30 years

38:21

and we don't know that might well be

38:23

the case but actually by bringing someone like Arne Schwar

38:25

in, they temper the expectations

38:27

a little bit because if he comes in and

38:29

doesn't do that well, people go Dutch managers don't

38:31

normally do that well in the Premier League and what

38:33

were you expecting? You come from final to Anfield, it

38:36

was always going to be a difficult job. Whereas

38:38

if they have brought in a top manager, then

38:41

it becomes more toxic I think if things do

38:43

go wrong and there is a likelihood that it

38:45

could go wrong because of the impact that Jurgen

38:48

Klopp has had. So I actually don't think that

38:50

it's the worst appointment. Do you see what I'm

38:52

trying to say here? He's obviously a good coach

38:54

with plenty of credentials but he's not the sort

38:56

of person that if it didn't work

38:58

out for him, it would cause a big

39:00

fallout in the media, there would be a lot of frustration

39:03

and angst kind of like when Roberto

39:06

D'Serby went into Brighton, much smaller example

39:08

of course at smaller club but D'Serby

39:10

went in having managed to Swolo who

39:13

aren't a big name in Italian football and probably

39:15

wasn't known by very many general Premier League fans.

39:17

I certainly must admit that I didn't know a

39:19

great deal about this Roberto D'Serby before he went

39:21

into Brighton and yet

39:24

people kind of were a bit more receptive to him

39:26

because there was that element of the unknown. Whereas if

39:29

Liverpool brought in Jaby Alonso, Marley, people

39:31

might have expected them to go 20 games

39:34

undefeated, play in a certain way and it

39:36

doesn't always happen like that. No, it doesn't.

39:38

Look at Chelsea under

39:40

Villas Paus for example, perfect example this

39:43

week of John Terry telling a story

39:45

where he tried to get the first

39:48

teamers to sit in economy on

39:50

a 12 hour flight to Singapore

39:52

or wherever it was and

39:55

it just went wrong

39:57

straight away. So I agree.

40:00

I think if you bring in a manager

40:02

where there's not as

40:04

much hype as, for example, when Spurs brought

40:06

in Mourinho, everyone went, ah, this is going

40:08

to end up. The

40:10

place is going to end up on fire and they're going

40:12

to have to spend God knows how

40:14

much to sack him. And it all proved right. Mourinho

40:17

wasn't the man to instill

40:19

the belief in Spurs that they could

40:22

move to that next level and in fact to

40:25

go backwards and go for a coach, a trending

40:27

coach like Andr Poster Goghly, when I'd say that

40:29

Spurs are a lot better now to

40:31

watch than Mourinho. Mourinho, Spurs,

40:34

and I think every Spurs fan would probably agree with me

40:36

on that one, but still they

40:38

haven't won anything. But the process

40:40

is a lot better. So,

40:43

yeah, I mean, Slott is trending,

40:46

he's hot with

40:49

his final team winning the area divisi

40:51

title last year. I

40:54

think Rud van Nistel raised PSV

40:57

of pretty much what this year.

40:59

Who's the manager? Who's

41:02

van Nistel? He was

41:04

there, wasn't he? He

41:06

was. Van Nistel

41:09

quit on the final day of the season. I

41:11

can't remember who it is. Yeah, I

41:13

knew a bit. Is it

41:16

Hiddink again? You

41:18

know who the chairman of PSV is, by the way? Joel's

41:20

favourite sporting director in the last 10 years

41:22

of the Premier League. Don't tell me, it's

41:25

Everton's old boy. Marcel

41:27

Brand. How has he got another

41:29

job? That

41:32

is baffling, Marcel Brand. Yes,

41:34

but van Nistelroy quit the

41:36

day before the last game

41:38

of the season because even

41:40

though they had won the charity

41:42

shield and the Dutch Cup, cited

41:44

that he wasn't getting enough support from

41:47

the hierarchy at PSV and just said, that's

41:49

enough for me and walking away. That's a

41:51

very Dutch thing to do as well, isn't it? Stubborn.

41:54

Dutch? Stubborn. Fair

41:56

enough. Sometimes it works, sometimes it

41:58

doesn't, but it rubs. That's

42:00

the thing I always think like if you walk into a

42:02

squad of 30 lads and

42:05

you are stubborn, even if the

42:07

best 10 follow you,

42:09

20 might not, or

42:12

it might be 15 and 15, you know, so it's

42:15

got to be a little bit more

42:17

open and allow

42:22

things that you might not have allowed at final,

42:25

purely on the fact that Liverpool is a bigger club,

42:27

the egos are bigger, the wages are

42:29

bigger, everything is bigger at Liverpool than it is at

42:31

final and that's not a disrespect to final but you

42:34

have to move, you have to make some allowances somewhere, you

42:36

can't go in and be a

42:38

strict taskmaster, look at what

42:40

happened with VS Boris this week, it's a perfect

42:42

example, you know, look at,

42:46

was it Van Garlew band ketchup

42:48

at Man United

42:50

and everyone was

42:53

like whoa. Football

42:55

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