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This is Football Social Daily.
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Welcome to Football Social Daily, your
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award-winning Premier League podcast. Now things are
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going to be a little bit different
2:16
today on FSD because we're coming to
2:18
you from different parts of the world
2:20
from the future, I think. I'm
2:23
in Manchester with Joel at the moment, but in
2:25
a minute I'll be in Vegas and Joel will
2:27
be in Barcelona. Marley's going to hold thought in
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Ashton-Underline for us. And what we're going to go
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through today is some of the big talking points
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across the Premier League weekend. So stick with
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of FSD is brought to you
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in partnership with Skybet. And so
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we're going to get stuck into
2:51
the results of this week's Skybet
2:53
fanview survey. And we've got
2:55
a really good question today, Joel, to get
2:57
stuck into. Who has been
2:59
the best English player in
3:01
the Premier League this season? Now the
3:04
Euros is coming, and England have got a
3:06
wealth of talent, Gareth Southgate has got an
3:08
embarrassment of riches to pick from. But
3:10
in terms of who's been the best English Premier
3:12
League player, who are the first maybe one or
3:15
two candidates that spring to mind for you? Well,
3:18
first and foremost, Olly Watkins. I mean, one of
3:20
the top scorers in the Premier League this season.
3:22
I think he's still quite underrated by a lot
3:24
of fans. And we'll
3:26
get into the actual poll of that
3:28
soon. And I think certain viewers of
3:30
certain persuasions and allegiances, let's say, will
3:33
be very annoyed at the percentages of
3:35
the actual vote. But, you know, Olly
3:37
Watkins and Phil Foaden are the
3:39
ones that instantly come to mind to me.
3:41
Maybe Kobe Manu. Steady
3:44
on. Probably a little bit early for Kobe
3:46
Manu to be considered the best English Premier
3:48
League player. But I totally agree with you
3:50
about Olly Watkins. 19 goals
3:53
and 12 assists heading into the
3:55
weekend, Premier League fixtures. Someone
3:58
who has really fought for the forced his
4:00
way into that conversation when it comes to
4:02
back up for Harry Kane, and obviously probably
4:04
aided slightly by the fact that Ivan Tony
4:06
hasn't been around Joel because he's missed half
4:08
the season with his beating ban. It did
4:10
seem to me like a year ago Ivan
4:12
Tony would be the one to play
4:14
back up to Harry Kane at the Euros, but after
4:17
the season that Watkins and Villa have had, as
4:19
I mentioned, knocking on for 20 goals and in
4:21
double figures for assists, I mean
4:23
he's well in the conversation isn't he in terms
4:26
of the best English player in the Premier League
4:28
this season. Oh easily, when you've got stats of
4:30
19 goals in the Premier League,
4:33
I feel like people are almost swaying
4:36
away from just how difficult that actually
4:38
is. He's on Erlen Harland's level this
4:40
season, not only that but he's a
4:42
great goal scorer but he's a great
4:44
playmaker as well with 12 assists as
4:46
well, and the Skybat fanview survey results
4:48
show only 9% of people think
4:51
that he's been the best English player in
4:53
the Premier League this season, which in my
4:55
opinion, I don't know about yours, but I
4:57
feel like that is criminal. That
5:00
is criminal is it not? Because I'm just
5:02
going to reveal now as well that the
5:04
guy who's next ahead of him is
5:07
Declan Rice with 20% and
5:10
okay Declan Rice has been a catalyst for Arsenal
5:12
this season, but are
5:14
Aston Villa getting into the Champions
5:16
League without Ollie Watkins? I
5:19
don't think so. This is the way I think we
5:22
should look at this Joel, because you're absolutely right, Declan
5:24
Rice has been brilliant for Arsenal and Arsenal might well
5:26
still win the Premier League title, we don't know that
5:28
at this point in time, there are still games to
5:30
run between now and the end of the campaign.
5:32
I think Rice going to Arsenal,
5:35
he's made such a name for himself both at
5:37
West Ham and in the England national team that
5:39
you almost expected he would be able to slot
5:41
into that Arsenal team and do a job. For
5:44
Ollie Watkins, I don't think anyone at the start
5:46
of the season would have predicted him to hit
5:48
20 goals and be
5:50
in double figures for assists and Aston Villa
5:53
being the Champions League positions. So for me,
5:55
I think that we are just looking
5:57
at a little bit of big six bias here because
5:59
Rice is being a big six. outstanding but he's not
6:01
been 11% better than Ollie Watkins
6:03
has been this season in my opinion. Yeah
6:05
it's very hard to compare a midfielder to
6:07
a striker in terms of their impact because
6:10
Deccan Rice definitely has had an impact on
6:12
Arsenal's season and like you say if they
6:14
win the title we might be having a
6:16
very different conversation in about three weeks time
6:18
of how he was pivotal in their title
6:20
win. Let's keep it
6:23
let's steady on for now but let's talk about the
6:26
first to who's in second place in the
6:28
fan survey. Well if we're praising Ollie Watkins
6:30
Joel for how well he's done and how
6:32
good Aston Villa have been can't really say
6:34
the same about Chelsea because it's turned into
6:36
Cole Palmer FC hasn't it this season for
6:38
Pochettino mid table in the top flight as
6:41
it stands but with 20 goals and nine
6:43
assists heading into this Premier League weekend 23%
6:47
of people feel that Cole Palmer is
6:49
the best England Premier League player
6:51
this season. He is
6:53
only second to Erling Harland in the
6:56
top scoring charts as we record this
6:58
podcast which is absolutely staggering and I
7:00
know he scored what is it eight
7:02
penalties this season but without Cole Palmer
7:05
Chelsea's miserable mid table position
7:08
might be even lower. Yeah he's been their
7:10
silver line in Hasenia this season even and
7:12
it's been shown when Pochettino said he wanted
7:14
to prove that they're not the Cole Palmer
7:17
FC to paraphrase and then they
7:19
went and got busted. It was
7:21
just poetic wasn't it but
7:23
you know at the start of the season when they paid
7:25
40 million for him I didn't expect
7:27
any impact whatsoever I didn't even think he was gonna
7:30
get in the team. I thought he was
7:32
going to be you know very slowly introduced
7:34
I didn't think that he would be this good
7:36
I didn't know he was this kind of player
7:39
who could actually make a difference in games and
7:41
like you say scored a lot of penalties but
7:43
I hate taking away from plays who scored a
7:45
lot of penalties because they're not easy to convert
7:47
especially when they're in high pressure situations you look
7:49
at that Man United again when he had to
7:52
score that penalty in what the 95th minute it
7:54
takes courage To do that
7:56
and I didn't see a lot of... Keep scoring as well.
7:58
to have eight and score them all. Yeah
8:00
yeah yeahs cover it every single one. And
8:02
the fact that you knew I didn't see
8:04
many chelsea place tried say the ball off
8:06
him when he hath take it in a
8:08
high pressure situation that shows his got a
8:10
steal he got nervous the you think maybe
8:12
the only thing with Coal Palmer is. As
8:15
a mention, those stats heading into this weekend:
8:17
Twenty goals of which I have penalties. But
8:20
goals. A Goals. As you mentioned, But.
8:22
Nine assists so deck them. Rice has got
8:24
seven assists. Watkins has got twelve assists. Now
8:26
nine assists is a good return for someone
8:28
who's only really having their first established Premier
8:30
League season. Call Palmer Still very young, but
8:32
to think maybe we might see that assists
8:34
tally creeping up a little bit more in
8:37
the years. The com the while the slogan
8:39
a Jackson ahead of him at I think
8:41
give his has many marriages a rather than
8:43
that am I have a twenty five assists
8:45
If he was of the make such as
8:47
if you're Didier Drogba ahead of you we
8:49
might be talking about a very different play
8:51
with forty plus goal. Involvements. You know you
8:53
can only supply so many to a
8:55
strike a gaudy, the rest of it.
8:57
but again, exactly. I think what's quite
8:59
excited for Chelsea fans is the fact
9:01
that he's doing this in a in
9:03
it and it's fucking line op where
9:05
he's the only output really. Because.
9:08
I know Jackson's got was just over
9:10
tangos now but a lot of them
9:12
a com in a hat trick, three
9:14
goals forgo the is taught noom doing
9:16
clumps there in clusters the not consistently
9:18
in the scoring basis. So when Chelsea
9:20
eventually but as against victor Aussie men
9:23
in. And Ivan Tony. At.
9:26
I'm sure Call Palmer puts the know will
9:28
be licking the lips or what kind of
9:30
out where could get potentially be got that
9:33
kind of striker head of the ball? Twenty
9:35
three percent of the people surveyed by Sky
9:37
Bet think that Call Palmer is the best
9:40
English Premier League play this season, but leading
9:42
the way with a massive forty eight percent.
9:45
Of. The phone. His. cell phone and
9:47
sixteen goals and seven assists and in
9:49
into the weekends premier league matches an
9:51
amazing season we all knew how could
9:53
this lad was we all knew that
9:56
when that infamous tweet from a certain
9:58
journalists came out that said phil Foden
10:00
agrees to sit on the bench for six years, but
10:02
he was going to go and prove that person wrong.
10:05
Guardiola has managed him exceptionally
10:07
well and now he's becoming someone who,
10:10
instead of being that person who
10:12
plays 15-20 games a season, he's now
10:14
almost playing every single game every single
10:16
season both in league and in competition.
10:18
You just need to look at his
10:20
Champions League performances as well as Premier
10:22
League performances this season. He
10:25
is someone in which England fans
10:27
are really excited about when it comes to the
10:29
Euros. You talk about the talent that England have
10:31
got, Foden certainly is one of those young stars
10:33
that you can imagine. He's going
10:35
to be one of the Premier League's figureheads
10:37
in the next 10 years. This season he's
10:39
actually determining outcomes of games
10:42
now. You mentioned that right
10:44
on Madrid game in the Champions League. They're
10:46
the types of games where these players announce
10:48
themselves. It's okay getting
10:50
consistent goals in the Premier League here and
10:53
there, but if you're going to start being
10:55
a game decision maker, that's where you take
10:57
yourself from a good player to world class
10:59
very quickly. The fact that
11:01
the discourse is now around Phil Foden
11:03
having the England team built around Phil
11:05
Foden, it just shows how
11:08
much everyone's paying attention and seeing how much
11:10
of an impact he's having. Even
11:12
Pat Guardiola's starting to push him ahead of
11:15
Kevin De Bruyne a little bit in that
11:17
starting line-up, almost like it's the natural transition
11:19
for when De Bruyne eventually starts coming
11:21
out. Do you think he
11:23
deserves that 48%? Do you think it's harsh?
11:25
Do you think it's actually quite justified because
11:28
he has been absolutely outstanding, possibly his best
11:30
season in a Manchester City shirt so far?
11:32
I think it would be unfair of me
11:34
to say that it's unjustified, to be honest
11:37
with you. But when I did
11:39
think of the best English Premier League players, he
11:41
wasn't the first person that sprung to mind. That
11:43
was Watkins, and then it was Palmer. So
11:45
actually my 1-2 was Watkins Palmer, and
11:48
Rice and Foden probably didn't come into my thinking
11:50
until I saw the results of this survey. And
11:52
I don't know whether that's because Manchester City is
11:54
so good and you expect him to put in
11:57
those sorts of performances, but that is just the
11:59
reputation. he's crafted for himself and that is actually
12:01
the biggest compliment you can pay him. The
12:04
actually 16 goals, 7 assists is an
12:06
amazing season for Foden and Manchester City
12:08
look such a good team when he's
12:10
in the side but that's only
12:12
because he's made that the
12:15
situation himself because of how good he's been so
12:17
yeah I can't begrudge him 48% of the vote.
12:19
I think the one thing
12:21
that does bug me about these survey results is
12:23
that Watkins has only got 9% of the vote
12:25
that I can't get over so
12:28
maybe 48% for me is a bit of
12:30
a stretch in terms of Foden being voted
12:32
in the Skybet fanview survey as the best
12:34
English Premier League player this season but Watkins
12:37
9% that is a scandal. Villa fans where
12:39
are you? Start voting on
12:41
these polls and we'll be able to
12:43
say yeah correct justified 9% is
12:45
criminal hopefully in the auras
12:48
though if he goes which I'm I'm pretty
12:50
sure he will be he can prove that
12:52
that 9% is a load of rubbish. Yes
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good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are. It's
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a bit of a weird football social daily today.
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As you may
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find out in
14:39
the coming minutes, we're all on holiday
14:41
except me because I had a kid so I can't go on
14:43
holiday anymore. Niall
14:46
is currently getting very
14:49
drunk in Las Vegas. Joel
14:51
is off on his travels to
14:54
the coast of Iberia. He is in Spain
14:56
and Portugal. But because
14:58
we're so dedicated at FSD, we needed to
15:00
bring you something to
15:03
keep you going because basically, Monday night got absolutely
15:05
slapped on Monday night and I cannot let it
15:07
go without getting some kind of,
15:09
some form of podcast out there to you guys
15:13
because you all know as dedicated
15:15
listeners that I was absolutely dying
15:17
to talk about this game. So
15:20
we've got a little voice note coming up
15:22
from Joel in Barcelona or
15:24
Portugal he actually is now. He's
15:26
clearly, clearly paying him too much
15:28
for his time. So
15:31
he's from there. He sent us a nice little
15:33
voice note where he's probably going to skirt around
15:35
the problems at Monday night like he usually does.
15:38
And then we've got a second
15:41
effort at a voice note from
15:43
Niall who because of the time
15:45
difference, it's quite intriguing when
15:48
a voice note comes through to your phone at two o'clock
15:50
in the afternoon. And Niall is absolutely
15:52
drunk as a skunk in Las Vegas.
15:55
So he had to send another one because it
15:57
was quite simple. It wasn't fit for purpose to
15:59
go out. on the podcast. So
16:02
what I'm saying is bear with us a little
16:04
bit. This one's a little bit mashed together. It's
16:07
coming from the past, the present and the future
16:09
but we've got Joel's thoughts on the crypto palace
16:12
game. We've got a little bit of reaction to
16:14
the Champions League results
16:17
last night with Dortmund ousting Paris
16:20
and German in the French capital. So
16:23
here goes. If it's a little bit cobbled
16:25
together you'll have to just
16:27
bear with us really because I'm not usually
16:30
the guy who stitches this podcast together. That is the
16:33
mighty fine job that Niall or
16:35
Joel normally does. So if it flows
16:37
badly allow it. Please come back. Please
16:39
keep listening and we'll be back to normal for next
16:41
week but as I say we had to get you
16:43
something out so here it is. Hey
16:58
guys I'm currently speaking to you from
17:00
Lagos. Not Lagos Nigeria. Lagos Portugal. Just
17:02
got a flight over from Barcelona late
17:04
last night and I don't know if
17:06
you can hear it on my voice
17:08
but the last night in Barcelona
17:11
I've been very very quiet but
17:13
made even more quiet by the fact that I
17:15
looked on my phone and late
17:19
during a night in Barcelona I saw
17:21
that United had just been beaten 4-0
17:23
by Crystal Palace.
17:25
I mean my night was going really well up until
17:27
that point and then suddenly I just
17:30
wanted to disassociate myself again. It always seems
17:32
to be the case that whenever
17:34
I'm away I think the last
17:36
time was when Chelsea beat United 4-3 in the last
17:38
minutes. It always seems to be when I'm away so
17:40
I probably just stopped going away but
17:43
it just feels to me as if or
17:46
very similar to when Olegonislauska was about to
17:48
be sacked and he was losing these very
17:50
easy games. I remember the 4-1 against Watford
17:53
which is his final game and
17:56
I don't understand why the players are
17:58
almost in the end of
18:01
the season like it's almost a testimonial because we've
18:03
got the FA Cup final to come in what just
18:05
under two weeks time now and
18:08
surely you want to be getting into that game
18:10
probably the make or break of our season and
18:12
you want to be going into it in decent form
18:15
but honestly I watched I watched highlights of the game
18:17
against Palace and like
18:19
a lot of reports came out on set I think
18:21
a lot of players futures 100% if
18:23
they weren't being evaluated before
18:26
now I think majority of them are going
18:28
to be evaluated I don't really care what
18:30
kind of name they have what reputation they
18:32
have every one of the majority of the
18:34
players should be having
18:36
their futures considered by an absolute mile I think
18:39
it now is the time to be very very
18:41
reckless when it comes to that but not only
18:43
the players but the manager as well and I'm
18:45
still very very torn because I've always been a
18:47
big advocate for him being under
18:50
a regime that's not a circus and
18:53
I just feel like this is just the end of the circus
18:55
now but is he going to be ready to take over in
18:57
a new kind of environment or are the
18:59
new owners going to be even patient with him because we
19:02
don't know how he can operate under that but it
19:04
just feels like the team just
19:06
have lost all sorts of motivation
19:09
confidence no cohesion I don't
19:11
see any improvement and the fact
19:13
that you know Thomas Tuchel speaking very candidly about
19:15
wanting to be back in England and it's quite
19:17
a few managers now who seems to be flirting
19:19
with it and I always maintain
19:22
when Jim Ratcliffe was asked the question about Tenhogg
19:24
during one of his initial interviews and he didn't
19:26
want to talk about him I
19:28
feel like he wasn't convinced by him from the very
19:30
moment he stepped into the door to be honest and
19:32
so from that perspective I actually wouldn't be surprised to
19:34
see him leave but we've
19:37
seen stranger things happen and my gut feeling is
19:39
that he will still be in charge for
19:41
the next season at least but
19:45
it's just it just feels like you know the
19:47
end of the road of this this season's felt
19:49
like it's finished a long long time ago but
19:51
anyway I'm just on a balcony so let me
19:54
get back to fun rather than talking about this
19:56
depressing topic that is Manchester
19:58
United for the last two. two
20:00
months, three months, however long you want to go,
20:02
ten years. I want to go take
20:05
a dip in the sea and I
20:07
don't want to hear anything else about Man United
20:09
again for this sea-able future. Nice
20:13
one Joel, morning from Las Vegas. I'm
20:15
in our hotel room with Liam. How
20:17
you doing mate? Hello guys, alright. Got
20:20
Jay and Ben here as well and we were
20:22
in an Uber the other day going
20:25
down the Las Vegas strip and we spoke
20:27
to a taxi driver who could not believe
20:29
that Crystal Palace slapped Manchester United 4-0.
20:31
He genuinely couldn't believe it. He's a
20:34
big Premier League fan and
20:36
he was shocked but I know that you weren't
20:38
shocked Marley because you actually predicted that
20:41
Crystal Palace would walk all over Manchester United.
20:43
It's just one of those things where United
20:46
have had so many of these results over the
20:48
last two years under Eric Tenhark. You
20:50
even think when he first started that
20:53
maybe second game that he had as the United
20:55
manager, they lost 4-0 to Brentford and everyone was
20:57
like oh there's some serious work that needs to
20:59
be done here and it feels like two years
21:01
on if not more but we're talking about the
21:03
same problems and you can point
21:06
fingers wherever you want but you cannot be
21:08
losing games 4-0 to Crystal Palace. Yes they've
21:10
got a new manager, yes they're in good
21:13
form, yes they've actually got good players but
21:15
when you're a club like United you can't
21:17
lose 4-0 to Crystal Palace. You just can't,
21:19
especially away from home as well when
21:21
you've got the travelling fans there. It's
21:23
just one of those where can you
21:25
put it down as another bad day at the
21:27
office because it's becoming so regular now for United.
21:30
It's getting silly. Thankfully
21:32
most of the boys here haven't watched too much
21:34
of the Premier League. We've been out and about
21:36
on the strip enjoying ourselves so
21:38
can't really report too much on the rest of the
21:40
action from the weekend although we did manage to catch
21:42
a little bit of the Champions League Dortmund
21:45
knocking out PSG and I know this
21:47
isn't Premier League lads but PSG are
21:49
the biggest bunch of bottlers in
21:52
European football. I've said
21:54
this before on the podcast as well,
21:56
PSG just somehow find a way to
21:58
mess things up. And dorm
22:00
and. I'm not seen the I
22:02
think anyone predict interests Champions League. To
22:05
stages if you will. So. It's.
22:08
Yeah, not a shot that Paris of Boss
22:10
would again to be set. The. Got
22:12
so many good players they burn
22:14
through multiple top managers. And.
22:16
They still haven't won the Premier Li Na
22:19
the Primitive, the Champions League a sucker for
22:21
says outside I am Edu I get to
22:23
speak to and joe a thing you're in
22:26
Barcelona or molly you're in Manchester or wherever
22:28
you are. Ali box one of you boys
22:30
to have. To. Give your
22:32
opinion. right?
22:35
One of the sort of a different
22:37
was it to his odds and griff
22:39
nationalism is ever. I will not say
22:42
anything about the the first. Fight.
22:44
Club Denial sent over which is from
22:46
a nightclub no less and so he
22:49
couldn't hear a thing. Basically if that
22:51
Niles they're very package voice talking to
22:53
his phone book. The one thing that
22:55
we would brings us all together and
22:58
keeps is doing is focused is delivered
23:00
football and and yeah it's been it's
23:02
it's been a crazy week so far
23:05
as an it. seriously how can we
23:07
skip over Bob? We can if we
23:09
joke joke is go over anything and
23:11
both. That gave my word. Monday night
23:14
it. On Monday night against Crystal Palace,
23:18
I mean it's check our social
23:20
media. If you check our Twitter
23:23
feed and my Instagram feed, you'll
23:25
realize that. Back. On
23:27
the bus kinda vapor. think of the
23:29
twenty six in April said when Newcastle
23:32
last two nil to Crystal Palace ourselves
23:34
as. An alliance with
23:36
Smirk in a little bit of Lego
23:38
you know Newcastle going says he will
23:40
lead in the to listen to Crystal
23:42
Palace and in a we've given Crystal
23:44
Palace No End of Stick and on
23:46
the podcast over the past season two
23:48
seasons and probably more because they're very
23:50
middle of the road the usually just
23:52
finished thirteenth or whatever. it's very boring
23:54
to be a Crystal Palace fun book.
23:57
When Newcastle when see when? when Selhurst.
24:00
We. Got we got laid off a park it
24:02
we were a with a simple and you
24:04
know Joe was there laughing and new of
24:06
a you know we're gonna get system this
24:08
may be safe books probably six or gonna
24:10
finish above you guys He could see that
24:12
look on his face and I I looked
24:14
him and Monday nights six years and I
24:16
just said to myself and you've gotta go
24:18
to Crystal Palace and was Kevin Keegan you've
24:21
gotta go A cell has to get something
24:23
and and there is no chance there was
24:25
no chance money idol winning a game and
24:27
even with a full he fully fit squad
24:29
they wouldn't have good. Result of sit there
24:31
with then hindered by boon of and
24:33
and is missing or was apparently he's
24:35
first ever again through injury in his
24:37
career am and of the only having
24:39
one sits and descend on the pitch
24:41
with to is at once it cent
24:43
of ah sorry which is Jonny Evans
24:45
and and then owns the alps as
24:47
well by casimir haven't yet Another shock
24:49
and proven that he legacy gone and
24:52
and easier it is like it. Is.
24:54
Like a busted flush basically in them is
24:57
is on his way out book that his
24:59
money I it as a whole and and
25:01
the big a thing for me and off
25:03
after Monday's night monday night's game is he
25:05
can argue about ten og. Is
25:08
now you have outs the you know whether he
25:10
he deserves to be in charge or whatever next
25:12
season book. The. One
25:14
thing that that came to me
25:17
from that game is if you
25:19
give this manager next. Am
25:22
an uber kim three the summer. And.
25:25
I don't know she's done enough. I
25:27
don't a season done enough to
25:29
deserve that. I mean this money
25:31
I team around put around cause
25:33
the lowest sam points total in
25:35
in premier league history them their
25:37
own. And. They'll do well to finish
25:39
her. The post is called the sense that button
25:41
tokens coming off towards into the season. You
25:45
know, and that is currently Cel.
25:47
Minus one goal difference so it's
25:49
pretty dire at the minute. Fair
25:52
for money I'd books you know,
25:54
There's. the whole off the field situation and
25:57
you know who's in charge in any of
25:59
come in and stuff like that but I'm
26:02
starting to think will any of us not be
26:04
looking at looking at this
26:06
and saying we've just seen Jade and Sancho
26:08
on Tuesday who would still
26:10
be at the club is Tenharg wasn't there because
26:13
obviously the argument started and
26:16
Tenharg was too stubborn to allow
26:18
the situation to go
26:21
away. Sancho was obviously
26:23
too stubborn as well to
26:25
say sorry and say it publicly but
26:28
to me that's still a bit schoolboy-ish of you know
26:30
you're trying to assert your power over someone basically in
26:32
public and a lot of players don't like that. For
26:35
me that's your job as a manager to manage players
26:37
and get the best out of them and
26:39
we've seen Jade and Sancho bossing it
26:41
in Champions League semi-finals and
26:44
ultimately Jade and Sancho is going to play in a
26:46
Champions League final in June and the
26:48
only thing Eric Tenharg is going to get in in
26:51
June is possibly his P45 because this
26:53
Man United team they
26:57
look awful and a lot needs
26:59
to change. Any of us might have all the plans in
27:01
the world but ultimately he's got to manage the team and
27:03
you know the team that played
27:06
against Crystal Palace on Monday night you could
27:08
tell from the minute that team sheet dropped
27:10
that team was gonna get pasted
27:13
around the park you
27:15
know Alicia and Eze dropping
27:17
in those holes where there's not even
27:20
a proper defensive midfielder to track them.
27:22
You know Christian Erickson you're asking him
27:24
to do a role that he's
27:26
literally never done in his career I said this on
27:28
the podcast a couple of weeks ago he's never played
27:30
defensive midfield in his life ever
27:34
but now Tenharg the you know the
27:36
little Dutch mastermind wants to play him
27:39
as a deep-lying playmaker and trying to get the
27:41
ball to him to feed and it just hasn't
27:43
worked but yeah it's a huge
27:47
huge job for Man United in the summer. Whether
27:49
Tenharg is going to be there or not I
27:51
think they will genuinely look for other options. Is
27:54
Thomas Tochel an option? Maybe.
27:57
Gareth Southgate being linked again which you
27:59
know Joel might never come home from Barcelona if that's the case.
28:01
He might just stay and become a Catalan
28:05
bloody handball lover or something because the
28:07
sport isn't for him if Garrosavka gets
28:09
that job on the back
28:11
of England's Euro 2024 campaign. But
28:16
yeah, it's a mess. It's a mess at Man
28:18
United. It has been for years. Something
28:20
needs to come and change everything.
28:22
Charles Frangnick said it, the
28:25
open heart surgery comment type of thing.
28:29
It's all very well saying you
28:32
need open heart surgery but ultimately you
28:34
need to do it. You need to then plan
28:37
it, plan that surgery, carry
28:40
it out, recover from it and
28:42
then thrive after it if
28:44
we're talking quite literally. That's
28:47
what needs to happen with Man United.
28:51
But yeah, that's all for
28:53
the future. I'm sure we'll spend many, many minutes
28:55
talking about it in the future but just
28:57
a word on Crystal Palace. Crystal Palace
28:59
are a very good side
29:01
now and Oliver Glazner has done a
29:04
very good job and it's actually a
29:06
very simple job he's done with
29:09
Crystal Palace. He's changed the formation
29:11
to suit, to essentially build a
29:13
team around Eberie Eze and
29:16
Michael Elise. It seems
29:18
obvious because all he's done is changed
29:21
the system to a 3-5-2 and played
29:23
them in almost a three-roll behind Jean-Philippe
29:25
Mateta. Roy Hodgson
29:28
in the past had Elise from the
29:30
right, as in he
29:32
had defensive duties as well to do with
29:35
Eze sort of central or
29:37
slightly from the left. Glazner
29:40
has went up here and
29:43
he won the right-hand side. Munoz,
29:45
the new right-wing back, he's going
29:47
to deal with them. Elise can
29:49
just vibe basically. He can go
29:51
and do what he wants as they can do the same.
29:55
They're such skillful players that the opposition then has to
29:57
react to them and say, right, we need a plan
29:59
for them. And when there's two of them, it's
30:02
so much harder than, you know, if there's one
30:04
of them, and we're stating obvious there, two people
30:06
harder to mark than one. But
30:08
at least they have so, so much
30:10
quality in their games that
30:12
they are so hard to stop. And
30:15
they ran the game, Mateta scored a
30:17
couple of goals, Ohnana stunk the place
30:19
out again, probably
30:21
should have said two
30:24
of the goals, I would argue at least. And
30:27
then you've got, you know, players like Casamiro and
30:29
stuff like that, not making anyone's job
30:32
any easier by proving that they're
30:34
over the hill and way down the other
30:36
side. But that is
30:38
Manchester United in a nutshell. Big
30:41
job to do. Whereas
30:44
Crystal Palace on the other hand, we'll be looking forward
30:46
to the summer and seeing who they can add to
30:48
this team and seeing if they can build on that
30:50
momentum and finishing the top half, you
30:53
know, next season at least to
30:56
try and build on the positive start that Oliver
30:58
Glazner has done. And
31:00
fair play to them, they finally seem to
31:02
be moving forward after years of safe, you
31:06
know, safe play under Roy Hodgson
31:08
and Sam Allardyce and Alan Pardrew
31:10
before that. So fair play
31:12
to them, they're doing fine. Might
31:15
not be taking the mick out of them for being bang
31:17
average next season, you never know. And
31:21
yeah, it's down to, it's completely different
31:23
at Man United. It's as long
31:25
as it can get really. If they carry
31:27
on this towards the end of the season, I can't see
31:29
Ten Harg being there. I can
31:31
see that, you know, Jim Ratcliffe and
31:34
Inny Austin, whoever, Bill Brielesford or Chris
31:36
Hoyle, whoever is in charge of that show at the minute,
31:39
you know, they need to be coming up with
31:41
a short list because Ten Harg, I feel like
31:44
if you come in and tell him what to do as well,
31:47
you know, he's a stubborn guy.
31:49
He's not gonna, he's
31:51
gonna come up with excuses of why it
31:53
hasn't worked. I'm not sure he's right for
31:56
the job long term. And
31:58
ultimately, if you back Ten Harg, I'm gonna be back.
32:00
You have to write off Jaden Sancho for example you
32:02
have to then sell him Because
32:05
and you make a loss that way because it's cheaper
32:07
to spend however than it is to sell Sancho
32:09
for 20 30 million and take a
32:11
50 million pound loss on him for example So big
32:14
big decisions that Miami United is still to be made.
32:17
We'll see what they do In
32:19
the summer. We'll see if this is the you
32:21
know the new era truly the new era of
32:23
Manchester United, but Now
32:26
the last 10 years has proven that there's been quite
32:28
a few false bonds at Manchester United, so I
32:30
think it's There's a
32:32
big big job to be doing open heart surgery You
32:34
don't recover from that in the
32:36
space of a preseason guys and trust me.
32:38
It's not It's not a
32:41
simple one to come straight back from so we'll see what my
32:43
night you do in the summer and Speaking
32:46
of the near future. We will be
32:48
back to full strength podcasts from
32:50
next week when the lads are busy Back
32:53
and recovered from their Galavant in around the
32:55
world Nile
32:57
will be asked to be physically dragged
33:00
out of a casino in Las Vegas And
33:04
Joel will you know he'll have
33:06
to be pulled out of hiding basically from somewhere in
33:09
either Portugal or Barcelona or wherever he's
33:12
wherever he's off partying next and
33:15
I'll have to see you see you next week when
33:17
we've got be back to full strength Maniacd
33:19
will still be losing Newcastle still
33:21
be cruising all nicely and finishing
33:24
above Maniacd But until then we'll
33:26
see you then guys
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