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Manchester United TAKEN APART by Crystal Palace, Dortmund reach UCL final and who has been the best English player in the PL this season?

Manchester United TAKEN APART by Crystal Palace, Dortmund reach UCL final and who has been the best English player in the PL this season?

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Manchester United TAKEN APART by Crystal Palace, Dortmund reach UCL final and who has been the best English player in the PL this season?

Manchester United TAKEN APART by Crystal Palace, Dortmund reach UCL final and who has been the best English player in the PL this season?

Manchester United TAKEN APART by Crystal Palace, Dortmund reach UCL final and who has been the best English player in the PL this season?

Manchester United TAKEN APART by Crystal Palace, Dortmund reach UCL final and who has been the best English player in the PL this season?

Wednesday, 8th May 2024
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This is Football Social Daily.

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Welcome to Football Social Daily, your

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award-winning Premier League podcast. Now things are

2:14

going to be a little bit different

2:16

today on FSD because we're coming to

2:18

you from different parts of the world

2:20

from the future, I think. I'm

2:23

in Manchester with Joel at the moment, but in

2:25

a minute I'll be in Vegas and Joel will

2:27

be in Barcelona. Marley's going to hold thought in

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Ashton-Underline for us. And what we're going to go

2:32

through today is some of the big talking points

2:34

across the Premier League weekend. So stick with

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as is the link to the free-to-join

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2:44

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in partnership with Skybet. And so

2:49

we're going to get stuck into

2:51

the results of this week's Skybet

2:53

fanview survey. And we've got

2:55

a really good question today, Joel, to get

2:57

stuck into. Who has been

2:59

the best English player in

3:01

the Premier League this season? Now the

3:04

Euros is coming, and England have got a

3:06

wealth of talent, Gareth Southgate has got an

3:08

embarrassment of riches to pick from. But

3:10

in terms of who's been the best English Premier

3:12

League player, who are the first maybe one or

3:15

two candidates that spring to mind for you? Well,

3:18

first and foremost, Olly Watkins. I mean, one of

3:20

the top scorers in the Premier League this season.

3:22

I think he's still quite underrated by a lot

3:24

of fans. And we'll

3:26

get into the actual poll of that

3:28

soon. And I think certain viewers of

3:30

certain persuasions and allegiances, let's say, will

3:33

be very annoyed at the percentages of

3:35

the actual vote. But, you know, Olly

3:37

Watkins and Phil Foaden are the

3:39

ones that instantly come to mind to me.

3:41

Maybe Kobe Manu. Steady

3:44

on. Probably a little bit early for Kobe

3:46

Manu to be considered the best English Premier

3:48

League player. But I totally agree with you

3:50

about Olly Watkins. 19 goals

3:53

and 12 assists heading into the

3:55

weekend, Premier League fixtures. Someone

3:58

who has really fought for the forced his

4:00

way into that conversation when it comes to

4:02

back up for Harry Kane, and obviously probably

4:04

aided slightly by the fact that Ivan Tony

4:06

hasn't been around Joel because he's missed half

4:08

the season with his beating ban. It did

4:10

seem to me like a year ago Ivan

4:12

Tony would be the one to play

4:14

back up to Harry Kane at the Euros, but after

4:17

the season that Watkins and Villa have had, as

4:19

I mentioned, knocking on for 20 goals and in

4:21

double figures for assists, I mean

4:23

he's well in the conversation isn't he in terms

4:26

of the best English player in the Premier League

4:28

this season. Oh easily, when you've got stats of

4:30

19 goals in the Premier League,

4:33

I feel like people are almost swaying

4:36

away from just how difficult that actually

4:38

is. He's on Erlen Harland's level this

4:40

season, not only that but he's a

4:42

great goal scorer but he's a great

4:44

playmaker as well with 12 assists as

4:46

well, and the Skybat fanview survey results

4:48

show only 9% of people think

4:51

that he's been the best English player in

4:53

the Premier League this season, which in my

4:55

opinion, I don't know about yours, but I

4:57

feel like that is criminal. That

5:00

is criminal is it not? Because I'm just

5:02

going to reveal now as well that the

5:04

guy who's next ahead of him is

5:07

Declan Rice with 20% and

5:10

okay Declan Rice has been a catalyst for Arsenal

5:12

this season, but are

5:14

Aston Villa getting into the Champions

5:16

League without Ollie Watkins? I

5:19

don't think so. This is the way I think we

5:22

should look at this Joel, because you're absolutely right, Declan

5:24

Rice has been brilliant for Arsenal and Arsenal might well

5:26

still win the Premier League title, we don't know that

5:28

at this point in time, there are still games to

5:30

run between now and the end of the campaign.

5:32

I think Rice going to Arsenal,

5:35

he's made such a name for himself both at

5:37

West Ham and in the England national team that

5:39

you almost expected he would be able to slot

5:41

into that Arsenal team and do a job. For

5:44

Ollie Watkins, I don't think anyone at the start

5:46

of the season would have predicted him to hit

5:48

20 goals and be

5:50

in double figures for assists and Aston Villa

5:53

being the Champions League positions. So for me,

5:55

I think that we are just looking

5:57

at a little bit of big six bias here because

5:59

Rice is being a big six. outstanding but he's not

6:01

been 11% better than Ollie Watkins

6:03

has been this season in my opinion. Yeah

6:05

it's very hard to compare a midfielder to

6:07

a striker in terms of their impact because

6:10

Deccan Rice definitely has had an impact on

6:12

Arsenal's season and like you say if they

6:14

win the title we might be having a

6:16

very different conversation in about three weeks time

6:18

of how he was pivotal in their title

6:20

win. Let's keep it

6:23

let's steady on for now but let's talk about the

6:26

first to who's in second place in the

6:28

fan survey. Well if we're praising Ollie Watkins

6:30

Joel for how well he's done and how

6:32

good Aston Villa have been can't really say

6:34

the same about Chelsea because it's turned into

6:36

Cole Palmer FC hasn't it this season for

6:38

Pochettino mid table in the top flight as

6:41

it stands but with 20 goals and nine

6:43

assists heading into this Premier League weekend 23%

6:47

of people feel that Cole Palmer is

6:49

the best England Premier League player

6:51

this season. He is

6:53

only second to Erling Harland in the

6:56

top scoring charts as we record this

6:58

podcast which is absolutely staggering and I

7:00

know he scored what is it eight

7:02

penalties this season but without Cole Palmer

7:05

Chelsea's miserable mid table position

7:08

might be even lower. Yeah he's been their

7:10

silver line in Hasenia this season even and

7:12

it's been shown when Pochettino said he wanted

7:14

to prove that they're not the Cole Palmer

7:17

FC to paraphrase and then they

7:19

went and got busted. It was

7:21

just poetic wasn't it but

7:23

you know at the start of the season when they paid

7:25

40 million for him I didn't expect

7:27

any impact whatsoever I didn't even think he was gonna

7:30

get in the team. I thought he was

7:32

going to be you know very slowly introduced

7:34

I didn't think that he would be this good

7:36

I didn't know he was this kind of player

7:39

who could actually make a difference in games and

7:41

like you say scored a lot of penalties but

7:43

I hate taking away from plays who scored a

7:45

lot of penalties because they're not easy to convert

7:47

especially when they're in high pressure situations you look

7:49

at that Man United again when he had to

7:52

score that penalty in what the 95th minute it

7:54

takes courage To do that

7:56

and I didn't see a lot of... Keep scoring as well.

7:58

to have eight and score them all. Yeah

8:00

yeah yeahs cover it every single one. And

8:02

the fact that you knew I didn't see

8:04

many chelsea place tried say the ball off

8:06

him when he hath take it in a

8:08

high pressure situation that shows his got a

8:10

steal he got nervous the you think maybe

8:12

the only thing with Coal Palmer is. As

8:15

a mention, those stats heading into this weekend:

8:17

Twenty goals of which I have penalties. But

8:20

goals. A Goals. As you mentioned, But.

8:22

Nine assists so deck them. Rice has got

8:24

seven assists. Watkins has got twelve assists. Now

8:26

nine assists is a good return for someone

8:28

who's only really having their first established Premier

8:30

League season. Call Palmer Still very young, but

8:32

to think maybe we might see that assists

8:34

tally creeping up a little bit more in

8:37

the years. The com the while the slogan

8:39

a Jackson ahead of him at I think

8:41

give his has many marriages a rather than

8:43

that am I have a twenty five assists

8:45

If he was of the make such as

8:47

if you're Didier Drogba ahead of you we

8:49

might be talking about a very different play

8:51

with forty plus goal. Involvements. You know you

8:53

can only supply so many to a

8:55

strike a gaudy, the rest of it.

8:57

but again, exactly. I think what's quite

8:59

excited for Chelsea fans is the fact

9:01

that he's doing this in a in

9:03

it and it's fucking line op where

9:05

he's the only output really. Because.

9:08

I know Jackson's got was just over

9:10

tangos now but a lot of them

9:12

a com in a hat trick, three

9:14

goals forgo the is taught noom doing

9:16

clumps there in clusters the not consistently

9:18

in the scoring basis. So when Chelsea

9:20

eventually but as against victor Aussie men

9:23

in. And Ivan Tony. At.

9:26

I'm sure Call Palmer puts the know will

9:28

be licking the lips or what kind of

9:30

out where could get potentially be got that

9:33

kind of striker head of the ball? Twenty

9:35

three percent of the people surveyed by Sky

9:37

Bet think that Call Palmer is the best

9:40

English Premier League play this season, but leading

9:42

the way with a massive forty eight percent.

9:45

Of. The phone. His. cell phone and

9:47

sixteen goals and seven assists and in

9:49

into the weekends premier league matches an

9:51

amazing season we all knew how could

9:53

this lad was we all knew that

9:56

when that infamous tweet from a certain

9:58

journalists came out that said phil Foden

10:00

agrees to sit on the bench for six years, but

10:02

he was going to go and prove that person wrong.

10:05

Guardiola has managed him exceptionally

10:07

well and now he's becoming someone who,

10:10

instead of being that person who

10:12

plays 15-20 games a season, he's now

10:14

almost playing every single game every single

10:16

season both in league and in competition.

10:18

You just need to look at his

10:20

Champions League performances as well as Premier

10:22

League performances this season. He

10:25

is someone in which England fans

10:27

are really excited about when it comes to the

10:29

Euros. You talk about the talent that England have

10:31

got, Foden certainly is one of those young stars

10:33

that you can imagine. He's going

10:35

to be one of the Premier League's figureheads

10:37

in the next 10 years. This season he's

10:39

actually determining outcomes of games

10:42

now. You mentioned that right

10:44

on Madrid game in the Champions League. They're

10:46

the types of games where these players announce

10:48

themselves. It's okay getting

10:50

consistent goals in the Premier League here and

10:53

there, but if you're going to start being

10:55

a game decision maker, that's where you take

10:57

yourself from a good player to world class

10:59

very quickly. The fact that

11:01

the discourse is now around Phil Foden

11:03

having the England team built around Phil

11:05

Foden, it just shows how

11:08

much everyone's paying attention and seeing how much

11:10

of an impact he's having. Even

11:12

Pat Guardiola's starting to push him ahead of

11:15

Kevin De Bruyne a little bit in that

11:17

starting line-up, almost like it's the natural transition

11:19

for when De Bruyne eventually starts coming

11:21

out. Do you think he

11:23

deserves that 48%? Do you think it's harsh?

11:25

Do you think it's actually quite justified because

11:28

he has been absolutely outstanding, possibly his best

11:30

season in a Manchester City shirt so far?

11:32

I think it would be unfair of me

11:34

to say that it's unjustified, to be honest

11:37

with you. But when I did

11:39

think of the best English Premier League players, he

11:41

wasn't the first person that sprung to mind. That

11:43

was Watkins, and then it was Palmer. So

11:45

actually my 1-2 was Watkins Palmer, and

11:48

Rice and Foden probably didn't come into my thinking

11:50

until I saw the results of this survey. And

11:52

I don't know whether that's because Manchester City is

11:54

so good and you expect him to put in

11:57

those sorts of performances, but that is just the

11:59

reputation. he's crafted for himself and that is actually

12:01

the biggest compliment you can pay him. The

12:04

actually 16 goals, 7 assists is an

12:06

amazing season for Foden and Manchester City

12:08

look such a good team when he's

12:10

in the side but that's only

12:12

because he's made that the

12:15

situation himself because of how good he's been so

12:17

yeah I can't begrudge him 48% of the vote.

12:19

I think the one thing

12:21

that does bug me about these survey results is

12:23

that Watkins has only got 9% of the vote

12:25

that I can't get over so

12:28

maybe 48% for me is a bit of

12:30

a stretch in terms of Foden being voted

12:32

in the Skybet fanview survey as the best

12:34

English Premier League player this season but Watkins

12:37

9% that is a scandal. Villa fans where

12:39

are you? Start voting on

12:41

these polls and we'll be able to

12:43

say yeah correct justified 9% is

12:45

criminal hopefully in the auras

12:48

though if he goes which I'm I'm pretty

12:50

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12:52

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holiday anymore. Niall

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is currently getting very

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drunk in Las Vegas. Joel

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15:09

some form of podcast out there to you guys

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listeners that I was absolutely dying

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to talk about this game. So

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we've got a little voice note coming up

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from Joel in Barcelona or

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Portugal he actually is now. He's

15:26

clearly, clearly paying him too much

15:28

for his time. So

15:31

he's from there. He sent us a nice little

15:33

voice note where he's probably going to skirt around

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the problems at Monday night like he usually does.

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effort at a voice note from

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Niall who because of the time

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difference, it's quite intriguing when

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a voice note comes through to your phone at two o'clock

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in the afternoon. And Niall is absolutely

15:52

drunk as a skunk in Las Vegas.

15:55

So he had to send another one because it

15:57

was quite simple. It wasn't fit for purpose to

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go out. on the podcast. So

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what I'm saying is bear with us a little

16:04

bit. This one's a little bit mashed together. It's

16:07

coming from the past, the present and the future

16:09

but we've got Joel's thoughts on the crypto palace

16:12

game. We've got a little bit of reaction to

16:14

the Champions League results

16:17

last night with Dortmund ousting Paris

16:20

and German in the French capital. So

16:23

here goes. If it's a little bit cobbled

16:25

together you'll have to just

16:27

bear with us really because I'm not usually

16:30

the guy who stitches this podcast together. That is the

16:33

mighty fine job that Niall or

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Joel normally does. So if it flows

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badly allow it. Please come back. Please

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keep listening and we'll be back to normal for next

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week but as I say we had to get you

16:43

something out so here it is. Hey

16:58

guys I'm currently speaking to you from

17:00

Lagos. Not Lagos Nigeria. Lagos Portugal. Just

17:02

got a flight over from Barcelona late

17:04

last night and I don't know if

17:06

you can hear it on my voice

17:08

but the last night in Barcelona

17:11

I've been very very quiet but

17:13

made even more quiet by the fact that I

17:15

looked on my phone and late

17:19

during a night in Barcelona I saw

17:21

that United had just been beaten 4-0

17:23

by Crystal Palace.

17:25

I mean my night was going really well up until

17:27

that point and then suddenly I just

17:30

wanted to disassociate myself again. It always seems

17:32

to be the case that whenever

17:34

I'm away I think the last

17:36

time was when Chelsea beat United 4-3 in the last

17:38

minutes. It always seems to be when I'm away so

17:40

I probably just stopped going away but

17:43

it just feels to me as if or

17:46

very similar to when Olegonislauska was about to

17:48

be sacked and he was losing these very

17:50

easy games. I remember the 4-1 against Watford

17:53

which is his final game and

17:56

I don't understand why the players are

17:58

almost in the end of

18:01

the season like it's almost a testimonial because we've

18:03

got the FA Cup final to come in what just

18:05

under two weeks time now and

18:08

surely you want to be getting into that game

18:10

probably the make or break of our season and

18:12

you want to be going into it in decent form

18:15

but honestly I watched I watched highlights of the game

18:17

against Palace and like

18:19

a lot of reports came out on set I think

18:21

a lot of players futures 100% if

18:23

they weren't being evaluated before

18:26

now I think majority of them are going

18:28

to be evaluated I don't really care what

18:30

kind of name they have what reputation they

18:32

have every one of the majority of the

18:34

players should be having

18:36

their futures considered by an absolute mile I think

18:39

it now is the time to be very very

18:41

reckless when it comes to that but not only

18:43

the players but the manager as well and I'm

18:45

still very very torn because I've always been a

18:47

big advocate for him being under

18:50

a regime that's not a circus and

18:53

I just feel like this is just the end of the circus

18:55

now but is he going to be ready to take over in

18:57

a new kind of environment or are the

18:59

new owners going to be even patient with him because we

19:02

don't know how he can operate under that but it

19:04

just feels like the team just

19:06

have lost all sorts of motivation

19:09

confidence no cohesion I don't

19:11

see any improvement and the fact

19:13

that you know Thomas Tuchel speaking very candidly about

19:15

wanting to be back in England and it's quite

19:17

a few managers now who seems to be flirting

19:19

with it and I always maintain

19:22

when Jim Ratcliffe was asked the question about Tenhogg

19:24

during one of his initial interviews and he didn't

19:26

want to talk about him I

19:28

feel like he wasn't convinced by him from the very

19:30

moment he stepped into the door to be honest and

19:32

so from that perspective I actually wouldn't be surprised to

19:34

see him leave but we've

19:37

seen stranger things happen and my gut feeling is

19:39

that he will still be in charge for

19:41

the next season at least but

19:45

it's just it just feels like you know the

19:47

end of the road of this this season's felt

19:49

like it's finished a long long time ago but

19:51

anyway I'm just on a balcony so let me

19:54

get back to fun rather than talking about this

19:56

depressing topic that is Manchester

19:58

United for the last two. two

20:00

months, three months, however long you want to go,

20:02

ten years. I want to go take

20:05

a dip in the sea and I

20:07

don't want to hear anything else about Man United

20:09

again for this sea-able future. Nice

20:13

one Joel, morning from Las Vegas. I'm

20:15

in our hotel room with Liam. How

20:17

you doing mate? Hello guys, alright. Got

20:20

Jay and Ben here as well and we were

20:22

in an Uber the other day going

20:25

down the Las Vegas strip and we spoke

20:27

to a taxi driver who could not believe

20:29

that Crystal Palace slapped Manchester United 4-0.

20:31

He genuinely couldn't believe it. He's a

20:34

big Premier League fan and

20:36

he was shocked but I know that you weren't

20:38

shocked Marley because you actually predicted that

20:41

Crystal Palace would walk all over Manchester United.

20:43

It's just one of those things where United

20:46

have had so many of these results over the

20:48

last two years under Eric Tenhark. You

20:50

even think when he first started that

20:53

maybe second game that he had as the United

20:55

manager, they lost 4-0 to Brentford and everyone was

20:57

like oh there's some serious work that needs to

20:59

be done here and it feels like two years

21:01

on if not more but we're talking about the

21:03

same problems and you can point

21:06

fingers wherever you want but you cannot be

21:08

losing games 4-0 to Crystal Palace. Yes they've

21:10

got a new manager, yes they're in good

21:13

form, yes they've actually got good players but

21:15

when you're a club like United you can't

21:17

lose 4-0 to Crystal Palace. You just can't,

21:19

especially away from home as well when

21:21

you've got the travelling fans there. It's

21:23

just one of those where can you

21:25

put it down as another bad day at the

21:27

office because it's becoming so regular now for United.

21:30

It's getting silly. Thankfully

21:32

most of the boys here haven't watched too much

21:34

of the Premier League. We've been out and about

21:36

on the strip enjoying ourselves so

21:38

can't really report too much on the rest of the

21:40

action from the weekend although we did manage to catch

21:42

a little bit of the Champions League Dortmund

21:45

knocking out PSG and I know this

21:47

isn't Premier League lads but PSG are

21:49

the biggest bunch of bottlers in

21:52

European football. I've said

21:54

this before on the podcast as well,

21:56

PSG just somehow find a way to

21:58

mess things up. And dorm

22:00

and. I'm not seen the I

22:02

think anyone predict interests Champions League. To

22:05

stages if you will. So. It's.

22:08

Yeah, not a shot that Paris of Boss

22:10

would again to be set. The. Got

22:12

so many good players they burn

22:14

through multiple top managers. And.

22:16

They still haven't won the Premier Li Na

22:19

the Primitive, the Champions League a sucker for

22:21

says outside I am Edu I get to

22:23

speak to and joe a thing you're in

22:26

Barcelona or molly you're in Manchester or wherever

22:28

you are. Ali box one of you boys

22:30

to have. To. Give your

22:32

opinion. right?

22:35

One of the sort of a different

22:37

was it to his odds and griff

22:39

nationalism is ever. I will not say

22:42

anything about the the first. Fight.

22:44

Club Denial sent over which is from

22:46

a nightclub no less and so he

22:49

couldn't hear a thing. Basically if that

22:51

Niles they're very package voice talking to

22:53

his phone book. The one thing that

22:55

we would brings us all together and

22:58

keeps is doing is focused is delivered

23:00

football and and yeah it's been it's

23:02

it's been a crazy week so far

23:05

as an it. seriously how can we

23:07

skip over Bob? We can if we

23:09

joke joke is go over anything and

23:11

both. That gave my word. Monday night

23:14

it. On Monday night against Crystal Palace,

23:18

I mean it's check our social

23:20

media. If you check our Twitter

23:23

feed and my Instagram feed, you'll

23:25

realize that. Back. On

23:27

the bus kinda vapor. think of the

23:29

twenty six in April said when Newcastle

23:32

last two nil to Crystal Palace ourselves

23:34

as. An alliance with

23:36

Smirk in a little bit of Lego

23:38

you know Newcastle going says he will

23:40

lead in the to listen to Crystal

23:42

Palace and in a we've given Crystal

23:44

Palace No End of Stick and on

23:46

the podcast over the past season two

23:48

seasons and probably more because they're very

23:50

middle of the road the usually just

23:52

finished thirteenth or whatever. it's very boring

23:54

to be a Crystal Palace fun book.

23:57

When Newcastle when see when? when Selhurst.

24:00

We. Got we got laid off a park it

24:02

we were a with a simple and you

24:04

know Joe was there laughing and new of

24:06

a you know we're gonna get system this

24:08

may be safe books probably six or gonna

24:10

finish above you guys He could see that

24:12

look on his face and I I looked

24:14

him and Monday nights six years and I

24:16

just said to myself and you've gotta go

24:18

to Crystal Palace and was Kevin Keegan you've

24:21

gotta go A cell has to get something

24:23

and and there is no chance there was

24:25

no chance money idol winning a game and

24:27

even with a full he fully fit squad

24:29

they wouldn't have good. Result of sit there

24:31

with then hindered by boon of and

24:33

and is missing or was apparently he's

24:35

first ever again through injury in his

24:37

career am and of the only having

24:39

one sits and descend on the pitch

24:41

with to is at once it cent

24:43

of ah sorry which is Jonny Evans

24:45

and and then owns the alps as

24:47

well by casimir haven't yet Another shock

24:49

and proven that he legacy gone and

24:52

and easier it is like it. Is.

24:54

Like a busted flush basically in them is

24:57

is on his way out book that his

24:59

money I it as a whole and and

25:01

the big a thing for me and off

25:03

after Monday's night monday night's game is he

25:05

can argue about ten og. Is

25:08

now you have outs the you know whether he

25:10

he deserves to be in charge or whatever next

25:12

season book. The. One

25:14

thing that that came to me

25:17

from that game is if you

25:19

give this manager next. Am

25:22

an uber kim three the summer. And.

25:25

I don't know she's done enough. I

25:27

don't a season done enough to

25:29

deserve that. I mean this money

25:31

I team around put around cause

25:33

the lowest sam points total in

25:35

in premier league history them their

25:37

own. And. They'll do well to finish

25:39

her. The post is called the sense that button

25:41

tokens coming off towards into the season. You

25:45

know, and that is currently Cel.

25:47

Minus one goal difference so it's

25:49

pretty dire at the minute. Fair

25:52

for money I'd books you know,

25:54

There's. the whole off the field situation and

25:57

you know who's in charge in any of

25:59

come in and stuff like that but I'm

26:02

starting to think will any of us not be

26:04

looking at looking at this

26:06

and saying we've just seen Jade and Sancho

26:08

on Tuesday who would still

26:10

be at the club is Tenharg wasn't there because

26:13

obviously the argument started and

26:16

Tenharg was too stubborn to allow

26:18

the situation to go

26:21

away. Sancho was obviously

26:23

too stubborn as well to

26:25

say sorry and say it publicly but

26:28

to me that's still a bit schoolboy-ish of you know

26:30

you're trying to assert your power over someone basically in

26:32

public and a lot of players don't like that. For

26:35

me that's your job as a manager to manage players

26:37

and get the best out of them and

26:39

we've seen Jade and Sancho bossing it

26:41

in Champions League semi-finals and

26:44

ultimately Jade and Sancho is going to play in a

26:46

Champions League final in June and the

26:48

only thing Eric Tenharg is going to get in in

26:51

June is possibly his P45 because this

26:53

Man United team they

26:57

look awful and a lot needs

26:59

to change. Any of us might have all the plans in

27:01

the world but ultimately he's got to manage the team and

27:03

you know the team that played

27:06

against Crystal Palace on Monday night you could

27:08

tell from the minute that team sheet dropped

27:10

that team was gonna get pasted

27:13

around the park you

27:15

know Alicia and Eze dropping

27:17

in those holes where there's not even

27:20

a proper defensive midfielder to track them.

27:22

You know Christian Erickson you're asking him

27:24

to do a role that he's

27:26

literally never done in his career I said this on

27:28

the podcast a couple of weeks ago he's never played

27:30

defensive midfield in his life ever

27:34

but now Tenharg the you know the

27:36

little Dutch mastermind wants to play him

27:39

as a deep-lying playmaker and trying to get the

27:41

ball to him to feed and it just hasn't

27:43

worked but yeah it's a huge

27:47

huge job for Man United in the summer. Whether

27:49

Tenharg is going to be there or not I

27:51

think they will genuinely look for other options. Is

27:54

Thomas Tochel an option? Maybe.

27:57

Gareth Southgate being linked again which you

27:59

know Joel might never come home from Barcelona if that's the case.

28:01

He might just stay and become a Catalan

28:05

bloody handball lover or something because the

28:07

sport isn't for him if Garrosavka gets

28:09

that job on the back

28:11

of England's Euro 2024 campaign. But

28:16

yeah, it's a mess. It's a mess at Man

28:18

United. It has been for years. Something

28:20

needs to come and change everything.

28:22

Charles Frangnick said it, the

28:25

open heart surgery comment type of thing.

28:29

It's all very well saying you

28:32

need open heart surgery but ultimately you

28:34

need to do it. You need to then plan

28:37

it, plan that surgery, carry

28:40

it out, recover from it and

28:42

then thrive after it if

28:44

we're talking quite literally. That's

28:47

what needs to happen with Man United.

28:51

But yeah, that's all for

28:53

the future. I'm sure we'll spend many, many minutes

28:55

talking about it in the future but just

28:57

a word on Crystal Palace. Crystal Palace

28:59

are a very good side

29:01

now and Oliver Glazner has done a

29:04

very good job and it's actually a

29:06

very simple job he's done with

29:09

Crystal Palace. He's changed the formation

29:11

to suit, to essentially build a

29:13

team around Eberie Eze and

29:16

Michael Elise. It seems

29:18

obvious because all he's done is changed

29:21

the system to a 3-5-2 and played

29:23

them in almost a three-roll behind Jean-Philippe

29:25

Mateta. Roy Hodgson

29:28

in the past had Elise from the

29:30

right, as in he

29:32

had defensive duties as well to do with

29:35

Eze sort of central or

29:37

slightly from the left. Glazner

29:40

has went up here and

29:43

he won the right-hand side. Munoz,

29:45

the new right-wing back, he's going

29:47

to deal with them. Elise can

29:49

just vibe basically. He can go

29:51

and do what he wants as they can do the same.

29:55

They're such skillful players that the opposition then has to

29:57

react to them and say, right, we need a plan

29:59

for them. And when there's two of them, it's

30:02

so much harder than, you know, if there's one

30:04

of them, and we're stating obvious there, two people

30:06

harder to mark than one. But

30:08

at least they have so, so much

30:10

quality in their games that

30:12

they are so hard to stop. And

30:15

they ran the game, Mateta scored a

30:17

couple of goals, Ohnana stunk the place

30:19

out again, probably

30:21

should have said two

30:24

of the goals, I would argue at least. And

30:27

then you've got, you know, players like Casamiro and

30:29

stuff like that, not making anyone's job

30:32

any easier by proving that they're

30:34

over the hill and way down the other

30:36

side. But that is

30:38

Manchester United in a nutshell. Big

30:41

job to do. Whereas

30:44

Crystal Palace on the other hand, we'll be looking forward

30:46

to the summer and seeing who they can add to

30:48

this team and seeing if they can build on that

30:50

momentum and finishing the top half, you

30:53

know, next season at least to

30:56

try and build on the positive start that Oliver

30:58

Glazner has done. And

31:00

fair play to them, they finally seem to

31:02

be moving forward after years of safe, you

31:06

know, safe play under Roy Hodgson

31:08

and Sam Allardyce and Alan Pardrew

31:10

before that. So fair play

31:12

to them, they're doing fine. Might

31:15

not be taking the mick out of them for being bang

31:17

average next season, you never know. And

31:21

yeah, it's down to, it's completely different

31:23

at Man United. It's as long

31:25

as it can get really. If they carry

31:27

on this towards the end of the season, I can't see

31:29

Ten Harg being there. I can

31:31

see that, you know, Jim Ratcliffe and

31:34

Inny Austin, whoever, Bill Brielesford or Chris

31:36

Hoyle, whoever is in charge of that show at the minute,

31:39

you know, they need to be coming up with

31:41

a short list because Ten Harg, I feel like

31:44

if you come in and tell him what to do as well,

31:47

you know, he's a stubborn guy.

31:49

He's not gonna, he's

31:51

gonna come up with excuses of why it

31:53

hasn't worked. I'm not sure he's right for

31:56

the job long term. And

31:58

ultimately, if you back Ten Harg, I'm gonna be back.

32:00

You have to write off Jaden Sancho for example you

32:02

have to then sell him Because

32:05

and you make a loss that way because it's cheaper

32:07

to spend however than it is to sell Sancho

32:09

for 20 30 million and take a

32:11

50 million pound loss on him for example So big

32:14

big decisions that Miami United is still to be made.

32:17

We'll see what they do In

32:19

the summer. We'll see if this is the you

32:21

know the new era truly the new era of

32:23

Manchester United, but Now

32:26

the last 10 years has proven that there's been quite

32:28

a few false bonds at Manchester United, so I

32:30

think it's There's a

32:32

big big job to be doing open heart surgery You

32:34

don't recover from that in the

32:36

space of a preseason guys and trust me.

32:38

It's not It's not a

32:41

simple one to come straight back from so we'll see what my

32:43

night you do in the summer and Speaking

32:46

of the near future. We will be

32:48

back to full strength podcasts from

32:50

next week when the lads are busy Back

32:53

and recovered from their Galavant in around the

32:55

world Nile

32:57

will be asked to be physically dragged

33:00

out of a casino in Las Vegas And

33:04

Joel will you know he'll have

33:06

to be pulled out of hiding basically from somewhere in

33:09

either Portugal or Barcelona or wherever he's

33:12

wherever he's off partying next and

33:15

I'll have to see you see you next week when

33:17

we've got be back to full strength Maniacd

33:19

will still be losing Newcastle still

33:21

be cruising all nicely and finishing

33:24

above Maniacd But until then we'll

33:26

see you then guys

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