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guests and a small amount of

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when it was

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a city that stress to think it's over with a lot of people

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is just got that sunday will feel about

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said that we're talking about a

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hellish of the is the most

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no actually infrared been anticipating

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it in a way that i think just make his or feel

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point

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oysters down put your is enormously

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so yeah looks and sounds may have

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it is that we seem to be spending

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so much time discussing

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the bleak horror that's coming

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ss and not the same amount

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of time talking about all the brilliant missions

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that are going to be imposed

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or suggested by a feature governments

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that will help us to get through his it's

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a very odds you know

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but it fit days in and in can't hear

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another conversation about the skins be the

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next prime minister out because essentially

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it's like the like like a long running off

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his party with the rest of us all invoices

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yeah we don't really understand it we

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don't get the in jokes we don't know what the going on

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about on it's it never ends and it's distracting

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is there is a very loud off his policy

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wealth somebody else is just trying to get on with

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i work with it's a low

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level pernicious continue

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anxiety at you and i know

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that we will be relatively okay

2:24

that you and i know that so many people

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weren't the and i don't know where to go

2:28

with that problem in my head because

2:30

the don't know what to do yet it might

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actually be helpful to anybody else

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by the you know we are going to have to

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only yeah i mean i don't care who you are when you go

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an email from your energy supply telling

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you what you know eight hundred

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and seventy five thousand what do

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you , yeah i'm even

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if you're on the also a man who are going to get sucked office

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setting with fortunate we are fortunate sometimes

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you could have one secret away away

2:57

did you find that the meta impulse school she'd

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switch off and enjoy your sun lounger holiday

3:02

i'm kind of we say that's remarkably

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deep town i knew you'd

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i

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that of embroil my and broil snow

3:12

habit you and bob myself

3:15

and i say in fact sifting upon arrival

3:18

ah don't quite see where you

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he got to fight the listeners

3:22

will come out why are you guessing it's it's monday

3:24

from if you're practicing his sense

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of on that will ice tix

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so isn't room i said the vicinity so eager

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to fly in the sun on your son loans or for

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half an hour and off at midday no

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other an icy up some bed

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the runway

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when i tell i and

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i got myself which all right to an h

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on morning one of the holiday

3:46

someone spots the first born in the

3:48

holiday the holiday in on a tightly

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the the whole thing foot seven am

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out

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i was all wrong about it world

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the their on my own by the

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i would have a

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lot

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hours later the phone

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cleaner stuff here though it except for infographics

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is the way

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there are a perfect

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i really took all my willpower

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not it literally just throwing

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my whole body into the video not

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censoring wow wow with i in this little

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of the breakfast buffet and i could see them being laid

4:20

out he couldn't get some i think once

4:22

we get in sunlight

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the kid i didn't want to desert

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they also i got into the habit of leaving my

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not so important take a back on

4:29

the some bed when i went into the buffet is

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it that was taken i wouldn't be

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my primary source

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of reading

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the content here's the key question

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on morning carver or not

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no idea it wasn't that good citizen and i

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did you know i get people who

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get a betty drunkards film loser i

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did that goes headlong into the

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carbs and i think about the mini don't

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have says since sunday

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as we speak your face oh no

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the see this wednesday often it's not a

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cop apart from granola

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okay

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what kind

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this raises anywhere i

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love this dogs i've seen it since

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dedicated business remember the same

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the nightclubs do it fits this

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week's episode of it's it's it's it's

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it's and yeah

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the here comes out sandwiches say

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it's of of a granola that would just for breakfast

5:19

and then you intermittent fasting

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oh that to work were no isn't that five

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try to do that thing we don't eat between certain hours

5:26

like nightfall and and morning when

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he

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the new york cat food

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i sometimes use to

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and behold the intercourse to and as and i

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like to occur in the kitchen

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to pull down the full of unanswered on the head of

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the streets so she'd put in the kitchen and it

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was that was a weak spot for me

5:46

because you don't in the

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the door

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on the pretext of clarify some water

5:51

actually up they might have couple of slices

5:53

of cheese cause three

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on it and the i could show plus the

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events missile fasting signal think

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is just one the biggest weasels a

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, to mankind would you leave focus

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are a lot of people he believes that they are doing

6:06

in to mrs fasting said it will set up with

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that fraser fraser between

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the as as they he said last night on to

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next to me as his eight nights minutes

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of having an early suffering expense there's

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no kind of crazy people down voting

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you write a book called have an early suffer go to

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bed i'm a very sexy i'm very

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happy to that is is to com isn't it is

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just silly talk about edinburgh talk

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about has in for a moment said a breath we

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had hasn't bushwick days but

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nine hours on a train earns

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what two and a half hours the

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beach for sissies and change disgraced

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has done by , what

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since a little sandwich bomb the first so

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fear of but of see very popular say

6:49

the with a one way system towards the council

6:52

which was clearly delineated i didn't

6:54

see that fight it have that

6:56

right saying it i like we have at the airports

6:58

we have to go round demand around around run said

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walking straight to possible can i

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just for she's so delicious in and say you

7:05

just will face up to the counter ignoring

7:07

the two women had been clearly

7:09

to the queue choosing their bread products

7:12

at the old days and i had called

7:14

stuff since it started ordering that

7:17

he looks on their face it wasn't just wasn't

7:19

i will didn't mind his voice well yes

7:21

and be that is your vote he added

7:24

a good pretty funny the fake go sex and

7:26

that have it any better i ,

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that would have made things substantially worse

7:30

in the lead mean a little bit of a fight fight

7:33

yes it was just for those comedy moments

7:35

where what's your all from a distance i thought i

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could just leave it to this and

7:40

he might never have come out that sandwich shop allies

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or i could die then with my highly

7:45

effervescent apologising voice

7:47

which is unjust got a shrewd cs and was

7:49

got this rate is and trying to seize

7:51

situation so i chose the latter

7:54

we just about great certainly that

7:56

it was quite bad tempered yeah

7:58

i think those things they did

7:59

the pistol for an as yet they were the high

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up i'd like other in a van came to the chef

8:04

know i did his nhl statistics this now but

8:06

if you are somebody you know is

8:08

can you are so my apologies unless

8:10

we're talking about scotland les mis a hellish didn't

8:12

are who we met oh the target

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it or gaia and she's got loads is

8:16

good stuff to save also want things

8:18

that that are going on edinburgh things we can see

8:20

the people we can find out more about including

8:23

an lc english pioneering

8:26

doctor and surgeon and

8:28

, nine hundred and four opened and of sky

8:30

knee and maternity hospice for the

8:32

women of edinburgh particularly from the slums

8:34

of the old tone on the royal mile

8:36

which was entirely stuff by women and

8:39

she's

8:39

the absolute phenomenon and

8:41

some flint at issue was is a tool guys as

8:44

the people around offensively as is my it was

8:46

very nice thing in edinburgh was lucky to meet people

8:48

on flights you know she to cleveland that

8:51

list is it was an invigorating tail and

8:53

nothing you were probably sensible

8:55

in the way that i think he said he talked to me the only

8:57

when we got to where did you set the but

8:59

was it barrett it the are set it apart

9:01

but then but then that the writer

9:03

wanted to penalize you little bit more changed

9:06

it to you as a recession competitively

9:08

companionable silence and everyone else yeah against

9:11

them he started up again he mainly use

9:13

now we do need to talk about

9:15

doctors discuss we promise he was because he's

9:17

put little thing up on the social sang the eve had

9:20

difficult gusset steering wheel some holidays

9:22

and i just wanted to put it she chain has

9:24

any woman esa managed to

9:27

get out of the swimming pool

9:28

the see will get up off the sundown

9:31

check it out adjusting take

9:34

, to dimension was at the inner cities

9:36

got to be i mean has anybody is

9:38

a genuine question has anybody sounds

9:40

a swimsuit manufacturer he seems

9:43

to is understood that problem because

9:45

you don't get up as a zillionaire of work

9:47

in a set in a change or undergarments

9:50

around the easy listening console the time

9:52

so what's gonna bounce looked as if the

9:54

not actually as not dominant the great success

9:56

story other snow because as

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my tree industry

9:59

there are a cute reek she is

10:02

the they should seek to their impossible to get

10:04

off unless you

10:05

in no hurry to go for wait you will have anything else

10:07

you can just peel it off as a period

10:09

of a couple of us are it was sort

10:11

of encased menu like the sausage me

10:13

in a in a relatively cheap

10:16

anger on your dance and then

10:18

i had one that was too baggy and them one at just

10:20

gone in the doses and you were

10:22

attacking comment that was think someone does

10:24

just was a to wear a bikini and i think a

10:27

trip to dance a little prodigious it's

10:30

just seems so strange that nobody's

10:32

really managed to the solve

10:35

that problem of the was it restful

10:40

the read a book i read one the english

10:42

teaching is so

10:44

which sits you like and was you recommend

10:46

them

10:48

i really want us to put me on the lincoln highway

10:51

yeah and i did read that and

10:53

the were elements of that this is the is

10:55

a more towels or sold so we don't

10:58

man till the you say a more towels

11:00

and also a more town as one of

11:02

the have been i was certain the worst of seventy

11:04

five sooner than not surprising of it's

11:06

up to a bit savitt that loves me if

11:08

i'm honest i don't the mysticism

11:10

ulysses all that stuff the

11:13

printed on or the season things

11:15

on a commended up it i'm

11:17

i'm i'm finished the at of i

11:20

wasn't the one i'd rather read john banville

11:22

april

11:23

in spain not got that

11:26

because i love snow boom that was his

11:28

early work for i haven't i haven't read

11:30

the excellent is that good so

11:32

, a very good but i

11:34

was a little upset with my own

11:36

choice to that's my holidays because it's

11:38

got pinpricks of darkness all the way through

11:40

this and i wanted

11:43

something weighty the uplifting

11:45

and joyful this the number of stuff

11:48

i want to the a page turning

11:50

nurse something that yes

11:52

that brought joy to my mind and

11:55

wasn't too hard work and jump out

11:57

and pencils right thing is

11:59

i need pretty much the reason that you don't bring

12:02

that would have a nice not know

12:04

is absolutely not night so

12:06

anyway what he reads the he loves a

12:08

couple of things first of all

12:11

oh and snow country says

12:13

best in

12:14

fuck

12:15

yeah i picked up in the hotel

12:17

and discarded book section in

12:20

the kind of place where you can sit when it's fiddling

12:22

down pass i tell and

12:24

i've never the book into this was a place

12:26

to fall to the result to see much summed

12:28

by other presidents and i surprising

12:31

me

12:32

electronic voice seen it around the hadn't ever

12:34

bullshit reddit and i'm locked it

12:37

like that i was good and

12:39

then my favorite book a holiday with make masons

12:41

he the mother wage weirdly

12:45

i then came home political pizarro

12:47

and bliss home she's a rather for which you

12:49

haven't lines because i didn't like it and

12:51

some i try to get really good things

12:54

on i didn't like as a student like it's the

12:56

he lightyear the might have you been was were the best

12:58

books i've read ha oh because

13:00

i really cared for everybody involved in that story

13:02

and agree liked this the characters in if

13:04

he mother the a constant anybody in some

13:07

room this with

13:08

yeah well that that though he of it so that sub

13:10

that roundup voters are gonna ask if you wanted

13:12

to have an opinion about make in the

13:14

sweets or

13:17

, thinking thinking

13:19

i have to moves in the duchess

13:21

of sussex his new podcast before we do

13:24

have a switch to the office of

13:26

the season and seven he listened

13:28

to the i've not listen to the i've read a couple

13:30

of reviews with so they were never gonna like it

13:32

either a blur just delighting in

13:34

their bitchiness is that louis as

13:37

i do you really wanted to mention it is

13:39

awesome the gym this morning so see in

13:41

i tunes turn over new leaf know that cancer

13:44

said breakfast t v with own and they just

13:46

stand the stand and they

13:48

were discussing they were having an opinion about

13:50

neck and think it's probably neck and

13:52

be soft as nets of them they had

13:55

that issue too ambitious discuss

13:57

the had to journalists in and one of them

14:00

cool and a wheel and but the where it came

14:02

up on the sometimes l

14:06

l or we'll end as she

14:08

to spend

14:09

we'll just think if

14:11

and i ,

14:13

the name so i know she's probably a disabled

14:15

person that the application where she just knocking around

14:17

and have been there since

14:19

october of last year's of that for against

14:22

that good change my name to fiona

14:24

we're live and i was just sit in various

14:27

greenery city the way i wouldn't have

14:29

an opinion and it was just a discussion about

14:31

and below on the other side is about as as

14:34

though they're as they get doesn't good

14:36

point i think she's got a pretty empty a

14:38

vicious woman in a very she's a

14:40

dangerous dangerously to yeah but

14:42

also had point that it was only once came

14:44

to this country's that's

14:46

a huge she was then

14:48

shut a kind of reckoning over her

14:50

out of his son right

14:53

and for and sadly got so many so many

14:55

send the email since we have been here for months

14:57

so forgive us if we don't get three

14:59

enough this and will be an email special arising

15:02

in about six weeks time that we had so

15:04

many about a mental

15:07

health and the question or said she wants just

15:09

remind us what that pertains

15:11

to fill it with somebody who's gonna lose

15:14

their gp and it

15:16

went into is a friend to says who'd been asked

15:18

whether the depression in allies

15:20

had none assisted itself in the fullness

15:22

neglecting house

15:24

the old teachers and

15:26

listen i just wanted to know whether

15:29

it would be normal

15:30

they called for a male patient

15:33

to be asked this question under terms it

15:35

that it's completely norm he

15:37

has a the it's part of the evaluation

15:40

that is universally docklands

15:43

to see whether or not your mental

15:45

health as incapacitation you so

15:47

much that it would be very difficult to carry

15:49

on living at home that's the point is this is

15:51

so seductive and of markers sir how

15:54

bad you'll see than yeah self care

15:56

and

15:56

the have to invite your immediate environment

15:58

is something the israel

15:59

function of to be unreasonable mentor help you

16:02

gonna do with our isn't yeah

16:04

she even negative thing to yeah no

16:06

i don't know you can do you can play i mean of

16:08

course it's a good thing to us but you can clearly understand

16:11

a was a brilliant maka the is

16:13

because it's harder to answer questions about whether

16:15

or not you'll still functioning well it

16:17

was cool within a relationship

16:20

but actually if you can't do

16:22

it if you know your jayne washing up

16:25

a , just quite indicative

16:27

isn't it say thank you say many people to the time

16:29

twice in a and we appreciated

16:31

enormously and it's the debated

16:33

listen to he says to each i need don't

16:35

have to sugar case everything everything

16:38

a the one thing that i constance

16:40

as and is fake earnestness

16:43

fake , the example that she uses

16:46

a and we do a lot on the podcast

16:48

is this one jane has her pasta

16:50

and really sorry to hear this is that say frustrating

16:53

and not nice however jane tends

16:55

to do this middle costs guilt thing a lot when

16:57

she constantly film for need to point out that

16:59

she's aware of fortunately i'm already

17:02

and is focused as the middle class women yeah

17:05

the end of wanted say don't either

17:07

you don't say that i said have say

17:09

that since your last just say this

17:12

is it that shit

17:13

he did the dressed up in a fiery

17:15

way nobody would might soon

17:18

it's almost as if it for have an assisted

17:20

blaze

17:21

you

17:23

the good fortune

17:25

he doesn't cost of btc dakota good

17:27

point if it at sandy

17:30

he's less resources in snooze

17:32

our aquitaine in fraught with did you

17:34

go to a holiday destination where you tried

17:36

speak their native language

17:41

did you get a broad

17:43

subject is something which details

17:50

the didn't you need help this or even

17:52

see well as a broad broad yes

17:55

and and of fortunate as he not

17:57

to encounter any of the difficult

18:07

my life again please yes so

18:09

middle school to that smacks is

18:12

which would be i did i would be the sound

18:14

of a burden catalog

18:15

flopping for election process and it's get

18:17

up every five eat

18:21

here and says dare say a j picking

18:23

up on the lessons from another listener about insurance

18:25

and it's weddings as a long term single

18:27

i have a similar problem my marriage

18:29

fell apart thirteen years skirts and

18:31

this summer would have been or twenty fifth anniversary

18:34

the thought of all my happily married friends

18:36

celebrating had since he says to the next few

18:39

years brings up ceilings as say

18:41

the at all over again send recently

18:43

a really good friends that are from her husband

18:45

something like this as a i

18:48

was shirts at my and reacts and i

18:50

felt a twinge of pleasure at

18:52

the thought that i now have three while

18:55

others and just to frenzies marriages

18:57

has sailed obviously i'm not

18:59

plaza her marriage the sales

19:01

the pool are always

19:04

there for there like mclaren and always got

19:06

on really well with her husband insisted husband

19:08

insisted that

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ha

19:12

i just i feel the friendship is now being

19:14

brought onto level of poverty and i

19:16

feel less than a woman before does not make

19:18

any sense loved the show more show less is less

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guests please give me feel a guest

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i

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love your to steal i think i've

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written on to that email feelings you shouldn't

19:30

have that do as i

19:32

think says like is so

19:34

emotional bucket of those

19:36

feelings that we all have hidden away

19:39

in your subconscious that very much

19:42

at the forefront of up and

19:43

the moment most of the time and

19:46

we carry around this ghastly

19:48

emotions and sometimes find them

19:50

almost unfair as they and the thing that

19:52

it does mean we don't feel them and

19:54

feel very strongly and sincerely

19:57

the passionately it ties i'm with

19:59

or

20:01

it helps you but way to have learned

20:11

i

20:13

know sometimes now just as we enjoy

20:15

hearing those persons he very much indeed

20:18

that way because i think we have a

20:20

sounds a strange delights

20:23

in being able to share our own savings

20:26

and of hung on a hundred billion

20:28

to set me up if they care and keaton

20:30

coming

20:31

there

20:32

the whole experience the whole family decided

20:35

we needed to get your observations on

20:37

this situation the sinclair we

20:39

run gran canaria for post exam

20:41

break up my daughter eighteen and

20:43

eighteen decided to walk down the beach in the late evening

20:45

miss sixteen said he didn't feel

20:47

com

20:48

over is doing that and wanted to come

20:50

with us my daughter with outraged

20:53

she

20:53

you'd be patronizing condescending

20:55

and unnecessary i asked

20:58

him why he thought we might need him and

21:00

he felt that would be less likely to be hassled

21:03

or even attacks is attacks male

21:05

with with with us and that he felt

21:07

a sense of responsibility landed

21:10

up what is the beach hold together and it was uneventful

21:13

what you think patronizing of chivalry

21:17

when i was but not quite a lot of noise

21:19

the us very interesting question and you have your some

21:23

com folks and really is coming from

21:25

the good a good place to death sentence

21:27

yeah i think it's vs chivalry us but

21:30

i also think it's not always the

21:32

solution to that problem of women

21:34

being say a full alone for

21:36

alone man's come in and sober does that make

21:38

sense because

21:41

there isn't always a civil was man

21:43

the just surround the corner he can help

21:46

out

21:47

different days if it's a teenage

21:49

son who is

21:51

probably lived through time waster have

21:54

been made very aware of the

21:57

risks that

21:59

mom and his sister might

22:02

be

22:03

object to

22:05

the if i see fantastic for young man

22:08

seen as nice as those things and

22:10

answer to sail that he

22:12

the post the solution

22:14

equally at it's

22:16

not a long term solution oh silly

22:18

to say thank you to wendy's said

22:21

have access else

22:23

is something that we like says the us do

22:26

we know when she pulled the to the hospital

22:29

right overrated

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breast milk

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the overrated bread

22:37

mostly i the bits it's not there is

22:39

so

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no

22:43

a good praise them as many things good

22:45

thing sailor italy but not

22:47

the phrase and keep each of us or our

22:49

the salesmen ties he's listening to

22:51

us from them there i said

22:54

jane your legs and made me laugh loudly

22:56

i love to this until waffles and giggles

22:58

well because if a series of that were considering

23:01

that you go and say other than my own

23:03

on a farm in a remote passes and there was no

23:05

sane signal i download your podcast

23:08

and i going to the nearest town where there is a sign

23:10

signal on sunday and but of litany

23:12

can the past twenty five years i took early retirement

23:14

returned to sandy or year ago to start

23:17

a free range pig fox very lonely

23:19

here on the phone and mislead focused

23:21

downloads of he is like having you to the same

23:23

way a free rein six

23:27

zambia , zambia i just as

23:29

on sometimes tickled by the nation of what people

23:31

stick to this fools and giggles

23:34

i do think we'll we'll if you can talk for

23:36

free range picture nominees and the ultimate

23:38

so we just acknowledge

23:40

the rule courage required to

23:42

go and do the i

23:45

really did i honestly i've said

23:47

it before i think twice about going to chizik a

23:49

man someone who and is done that he

23:51

up he said it's a have to say yes yeah

23:54

no i'm down with here to for cross my riley

23:56

and for suspended for his desk is

23:58

never once like is a this is now

24:01

now this is about another trees i did actually about of

24:03

the not being enough politics

24:05

calm down by will live around my

24:07

age are basically made women and assisted

24:10

ah thanks

24:10

the current economic be irritated

24:12

by the omnipresent nature of rule is you

24:14

know to campbell of a i thought like that

24:17

podcast they've done very well it's and is that

24:19

is very very or another

24:21

reason why

24:22

by element to jealousy and mobile

24:24

exactly arresting a d c another is not

24:26

worth less were talking about feelings they will find or

24:28

to own up to i'm i'm going to

24:30

own up to that of the i just

24:32

think oh to be seen adequately the has

24:35

to be some kind of behind the scenes

24:37

female political operator or

24:40

perhaps operator retired female of from time

24:42

for the titian stupid did titian similar

24:44

podcast with similar relatively

24:46

recently

24:47

the hired and p of the opposing

24:49

party

24:51

one of the italy and i just can't

24:53

be they have to wait as of people

24:55

come the earth is so a female

24:57

equivalent taught us to campbell well

25:00

that is this or this is what those getting us is both

25:02

men disguises feminist in a recent

25:04

episodes this is worry that of stuff that

25:06

this hasn't been

25:07

riding through in the content so far and

25:09

i sometimes feel the

25:10

no perspective on hugely significant

25:13

political events does seem to be missing for

25:15

example when discussing the death david

25:17

though they touched on the role of mo mowlam

25:19

in the northern ireland peace talks

25:21

apparently david trimble with this misnomer

25:23

them in say the other direct hotline

25:25

to tony blair i had so many

25:27

questions

25:28

because she with a woman how many

25:30

other women were involved in the top wouldn't would

25:32

women have negotiated different etc

25:34

that none of this was considered in that

25:36

conversation say

25:38

you can't expect anyone to think of

25:40

the thing and we often of islamist huge

25:43

areas have been for

25:44

the subject matter that we could talk about it

25:46

but i do think and signals

25:49

got a point there that they're not be very interested

25:51

sees no the divide

25:53

and nervousness it does i wonder

25:56

whether it's a bit like the book world

25:59

where women are very

25:59

pizza inserting close the campbell

26:02

in malawi pants or on

26:04

but i don't know how many

26:07

men

26:08

within and not said happy

26:10

the proved wrong i bet not

26:13

it wouldn't be that as it's size

26:15

of that it wouldn't be as many men listening to women

26:18

took that plus you know you're right and that

26:20

as bit disappointed away and cnn

26:23

afraid those your own says he has we should subject

26:26

we don't say young family

26:29

it has said it often has holidays

26:31

but safety is looking after off today

26:33

do we need to listen to the guest

26:36

and he is oh good god who we've had to do

26:38

that okay now a who is august

26:40

this week of said this week

26:42

we are welcoming ricky ross a

26:45

singer songwriter monday

26:47

, but also a radio

26:49

man himself he's got shows all over

26:51

the place bbc scotland media team

26:54

team a he is

26:56

coming onto to a new book that he goes

26:58

out walking back home or

27:01

on sunday music oh music haven't got

27:03

haven't i haven't gotten technology

27:04

what know any

27:10

you're into the fortunately podcast and seizure

27:13

or more lightly off listening why do

27:15

something more useful if

27:18

, know as much as the years have the same

27:21

i remember tools and see on saw his eyes

27:23

on a member you are interviewing me and

27:26

this is tempted to see but as a good thing

27:28

for you'd be a pet issue for us as vague

27:30

as interview as you probably know you

27:33

get it's a it's a mixed ability to mix

27:35

political

27:36

that's right like was sitting at what

27:38

what does that mean to you as the in

27:40

the ui i've i've been to be honest

27:42

with yet there's no real golden rule except

27:45

it's you know i think as a musician or

27:48

, you're coming on to essentially talk

27:50

about something that you've just created it it's

27:52

nice to know that someone's his insistence

27:54

you at work or looked at

27:56

it or whatever is you know and is think that's

27:58

that's that's that's total very

28:00

often i suppose

28:03

know the tables are turned i've become

28:05

quite anal about to myself because i'm

28:07

ideologically know with know with

28:10

amended with country musicians but

28:12

i just like to think i've had listened to what they've

28:15

done and you know interview them in such

28:17

a way that i would like to be interviewed

28:19

myself i didn't have the a does the appreciate

28:21

that are of whether that is just a little

28:23

nonsense i know he me that say that

28:25

a total see musicians

28:27

cause i think sometimes those

28:29

kind of guy to question sir really

28:32

dull there's always a story

28:34

behind someone

28:35

he's capable

28:36

writing stories and putting them it's nice

28:39

egg do you find it difficult talking to

28:41

musicians easy hard subject

28:43

people are always the best interview work

28:45

opera singers and i don't know anything about

28:47

oprah but sometimes you eat and counter

28:50

these extra they were with extraordinarily

28:52

intellectually able and

28:54

had quite difficult reputations

28:56

but then they would just give you brilliant into

28:58

these sent do you think musician

29:01

there are more at ease talking to

29:03

the because of your professional nice

29:05

that they feel they're in decent

29:08

company said they'll understand

29:10

well here's the funny thing is a lot divisions

29:13

the i interview probably have no idea

29:15

who i am alone the bloke and

29:17

bbc radio scotland so of that's

29:19

probably my kind of quite nice thing

29:21

so they don't have that because they're the from

29:24

it's for start with another reason

29:26

america and secondly

29:29

they're also becomes music and it's like a little bubble

29:32

of the of the road but here's the advantage

29:34

i , to the view country musicians by

29:37

time i get to them they had us are like

29:39

they've had a in on interesting interesting

29:42

some kind and i was still for my colleagues

29:44

and since couldn't have either like a bond

29:47

the fourth bond that to go

29:49

that the do the first radio to be in their to be

29:51

the shoe gazing you know and and ten

29:54

mumbling away it's apogee on to the

29:56

and rhymes or some other suspects

29:58

is just to do that do it and then

30:01

she's got stories to tell so ups i'm up a

30:03

little bit fortunate a lot but lucky we

30:06

the book which he you'll be going to be cautious

30:08

rest assured that of these are happy to have the air

30:11

i mean it's not have but in terms as fun

30:13

as an autobiography that hasn't narrative

30:15

arc i will weigh three from the they start

30:17

since one of my success stories

30:19

as net and

30:21

little bit about that when the formation

30:23

of the idea behind the book is connected

30:25

to user

30:26

appearing on stage in the music to

30:28

actually what happened was i was

30:31

in the middle of writing ourselves finished writing

30:33

a song which ended up in a dick move record which

30:35

was a longer kind of spoken

30:37

word thing that i normally wouldn't have

30:39

done i , it to

30:41

on the guys in the been greg and i work with and

30:44

he really liked it said we spit on the record and

30:46

after we finish the allies a

30:48

told the story about my my grandfather

30:51

grandfather i like such a big character

30:54

my life when i before i went i

30:56

school i spent a lot of time with my grandparents

30:59

and my mom always said mom me that

31:01

she felt lol that bad about it she went back to work

31:03

she back a teacher chopped salad

31:05

bar did i went back to work and you are in

31:08

off either work and didn't look after i said none

31:10

of this is like the happiest time of

31:12

my life i loved be with my grandparents side

31:15

know bad feelings about it and on the great

31:17

feelings about my grandfather and i thought

31:19

isn't it interesting that you can sort of as

31:21

far as the world's concerned he gets to lines in

31:23

the song and there's nothing else

31:26

so i i started there the

31:28

about memory about the night my got close

31:30

remember the night died and an l

31:33

a just a lovely seem with my father sweeping

31:35

back as he had a member think it's

31:38

i was kind of i was i was

31:40

scared of days i suppose with had

31:42

a pet mouse remember finding had rigor

31:44

mortis in the member think ah that is can't

31:46

cope with this and i loved the way my dad's

31:48

sweat but the silvery here of of his

31:50

father in law on the bed and

31:53

he said to my mom or is still warm and

31:56

a member think that's lovely that's sister

31:58

a sister really do notice though

31:59

the woman how it started

32:02

with me remembering stories like

32:04

that and just write them down really for

32:06

having a do and then quickly we kinda

32:09

fell into a type

32:11

of your had slowed the time and

32:13

and inventing things to do as

32:15

you're not kinds i suppose it

32:17

, to be sporadic stories and then i for

32:19

all right some more and then eventually

32:21

someone came along by sheer coincidence

32:24

and i thought was asking me to if

32:26

, like him to write a book or sublet lot

32:29

and he said none i am i put you in touch with

32:31

publisher so it's of hop in the law

32:33

that by accident

32:34

i'm that you mention that story that your your

32:36

granddad because that seem

32:38

really have that it was such a tender one and

32:40

you don't either hear much about that sort of

32:42

thing to you actually particularly between son in

32:44

law and father

32:46

oh yeah in some ways they had

32:48

no nothing in common but just

32:50

my dad was very warm to him and if

32:52

is reciprocated by his father moths

32:55

and the great friends the and and my

32:57

grandfather was a great friend and

33:00

, it's just like a deep you know

33:02

kind of far as was loves

33:04

i trust you know the visit there was a kind of

33:06

jokey friendship as well well

33:09

as is it literally to the much in common

33:11

and maybe with you know that obviously the church stuff

33:13

was common potomac

33:15

football and cricket stuff like that but other

33:17

not other lives of citizens

33:19

gabi you what can they clearly tv that my book

33:21

the church stuff was because is quite

33:23

figured so my gompers my mother's

33:26

side of my grandparents on

33:28

my pins a over such a

33:30

christian brothers which is fundamentalist

33:32

, evangelical evangelical

33:35

a it's a it's a group that is still there

33:37

and the church is still there dundee of stop someone

33:39

from that the other the it was when i grew

33:42

when and it was very

33:44

much our village it was like our little community

33:46

and i think i see this

33:49

in the boot gotta have said it before a

33:51

lot of people some people i know at

33:53

, to run a mile from at some people just stayed

33:55

there never moved on and i think

33:58

that this problem this had one

33:59

the i

34:01

kind of wanted to do both things that i

34:04

, i wanted to hold onto the faith

34:06

which are still have have

34:08

i also wanted to play rock and roll

34:10

or if pop music you know what we want to call

34:12

it an answer writing

34:15

these two horses was these two

34:17

this of interesting

34:18

what are you expecting

34:21

, it as sick as latest this is just

34:23

my own ignorance i think i

34:25

was expecting to find in the book

34:28

of revelation

34:29

from you about that

34:31

thing

34:31

conflicted

34:32

in your life because i think

34:35

at we associate anybody who's

34:37

in rock and roll with the more hadn't

34:39

a stick lifestyle than the breslin which

34:41

is wanted you to her but

34:44

the never once a kind of the

34:46

day he don't seem to be an hour we

34:49

person about his or of all

34:50

had a period in which you have seats

34:53

with jet possible religion upset people

34:55

along the way you actually seem to have written the

34:57

to

34:58

the very well minutes been moments after

35:00

my dad died i remember begin edinburgh

35:02

was blurry learn i were in aden bread she was very

35:04

pregnant with our earth at a

35:06

loss daughter youngest daughter and

35:09

, i say to you to my dad just

35:11

died message you know of i can

35:13

had that feeling of for him in the ground and really

35:15

just that's it you know there's nothing there

35:18

there set to be right weeks

35:21

into that into suffered apartments

35:24

can they are limited to talk limited this and

35:26

i said i didn't realize it would mean that much

35:28

to see you do go through you moments where

35:32

are my age certainly a nothing anyone

35:34

who's had any sort anyone life

35:36

of cease and

35:38

cusumano of complete absence and

35:40

complete don't you know that that's one of things it draws

35:43

me to faces is that that to

35:45

the whole business of the fact that

35:49

it'll right at the right at the point

35:51

of the the heat of the apex

35:53

of christianity right before the crucifixion on

35:55

his own in a cycle shrapnel last

35:58

and and you know it's is that kind of thing i

36:00

think is as been my my story to

36:02

it or try to be honest when i i

36:04

just find it so difficult to believe but

36:07

i i through these things

36:09

when i'm the can be worth

36:11

at the height of their same and been like

36:13

a lot of success you say didn't crack america

36:15

be a huge amount of success on

36:17

wrote summer sing songs of

36:19

in songs that we can or of essence of dignity

36:22

as as opposed to some the other people as associate

36:24

with you did you they

36:27

cannot prevent is having

36:28

as good a time as you

36:30

might otherwise have done

36:32

no not really because you

36:35

, i have friends that take drugs

36:38

drugs all kinds of kinds i've

36:40

got no real moral line on all that stuff

36:43

is just i'm not particularly i don't think even

36:45

faced with as any a do with all that stuff all

36:47

just it's not something i've really fancy

36:49

i'd the i'm not very good at being at my head so

36:52

i don't think so as get

36:54

more challenge me in

36:56

terms of lifestyle

36:59

and suddenly you he became quite

37:01

wealthy compete your pals know how you get

37:03

a deal with art and all that

37:05

kind of stuff i think guess that was kind of conflicts

37:08

do bbfc we buy this car or that know

37:10

he knows as the war in both the all that kind of thing

37:13

so these are things were what were

37:15

issues

37:16

but you have this grounding paley to

37:18

new life and he asked if he had left

37:20

university and you say that but starting

37:23

in early august that began to turn a half year

37:25

period during which i learnt almost

37:27

everything worthwhile i've ever

37:29

known listen to what what i've read and

37:33

write can you write you tell us what are those thing

37:35

with a fantasy settings fantasy fantasy settings

37:38

and of the my kids sex act

37:40

as a science i see on seats that she was

37:42

not everybody can say that about any points

37:45

in their lies that they way to learn to

37:47

the stuff that they needed year

37:49

you know why i said that because i

37:52

lived in little middle class enclave it wasn't weren't

37:54

terribly well off route looking back on it you know within

37:56

good for holidays and stuff but my daughter's when

37:58

business my mom was

37:59

and where two

38:02

cars

38:02

a cleaning lady us all these

38:05

things that in the sixties and seventies would be signs

38:07

of you know quite the

38:09

relatively well off at

38:11

, terms terms i

38:13

lived in that life i went to private school and

38:15

that the area where the church was

38:17

ironically was area where i started

38:20

to work with these kids the i

38:22

met through this the he's project will be will

38:25

and the guy that eventually work for his

38:27

name coincident and jokes the not

38:29

the football not steam lovely

38:31

and amazing man know a put a

38:33

know and eighty he's allowed

38:36

me to do to follow my kind

38:38

of instinct with that kind the use

38:40

project and at all

38:42

suddenly all these people that i didn't really know

38:44

where they are and terms of being

38:47

and as was close neighbors being people

38:49

whose lives were completely

38:51

different from mine who lives families

38:53

who just been completely i

38:55

don't know let down expensing

38:58

fairly severe poverty unemployment

39:01

you could imagine this is severe nineteen eighty mean

39:03

unemployment a huge and

39:05

all the stuff that goes with that at

39:07

and deprivation at health

39:10

issues and so on and i was suddenly

39:12

encountering these people who i didn't know

39:14

i didn't hadn't met them before and

39:16

and i was sick recent can everything's rethinking

39:19

my faith as we think and the values

39:21

had about education i encountered

39:23

i think i'm cut in violence the first time you

39:25

know some you know the kids at work with put would go

39:28

against know a good to gee i'd visit to jail

39:31

people ended up in prison and very often

39:33

kids that we work with would say

39:35

to me why i didn't

39:37

do but it was my trunk anything and

39:39

i ended up in here so

39:41

it it opened up all these

39:43

interesting things allies

39:45

there's a big world out there and i had no

39:47

idea about it and i did learn

39:50

about i was something about

39:52

human beings the i i just didn't have i

39:54

didn't know and i find i

39:57

suppose then suppose then moments

39:59

when i'm when or the songs was

40:02

with my little apprenticeship so i

40:04

would find a place a quiet place where go

40:06

for the piano and write songs and that

40:09

was my i think quiet apprenticeship

40:11

sipping a song writers well

40:13

you could write songs does it mean

40:15

writing a book comes easier

40:17

to say

40:18

you gotta you've got a way with words

40:21

ricky i think not

40:23

really but out a nice letter

40:25

from one of my would like to see i knew you could

40:27

write lyrics are , at

40:30

but the thing is i didn't try to write a book and i

40:32

still don't i think is the most difficult thing to do

40:34

and halfway through through

40:36

said to myself and my wife for

40:38

an for of a damn good by that

40:40

time i saw of got published in

40:43

the money had an money subsidy the

40:45

on a strictly i got lucky with a got full moon

40:48

and i'm not going to give a box them

40:51

and i just saw an f i done and

40:53

i had to start in on also a slightly

40:56

feared that chronology because i thought

40:58

was a thing i really wanted to avoid a

41:00

disorder and then this happened in their mouth

41:02

and then and we put in i just as trying to avoid

41:04

it but i was also aware that

41:07

me writing about the guy or under contract

41:09

middle who said the corridor is really

41:12

interesting to me but maybe

41:14

not very interesting other people's i did after i

41:16

felt i'd i'd have to right a

41:19

boat you know being in the bond a by

41:21

solve avoided the bits i didn't want to

41:23

about so the the the that are big holes

41:25

and they're like well but well

41:27

someone said to me other day i noticed you didn't see anything

41:30

about your more successful record i think i know

41:32

because it wasn't really very enjoyable to do

41:34

and i didn't i just didn't feel it was a i just

41:36

saw i don't want to morning chapter that the the

41:38

zola by a you know it didn't like this dilemma

41:40

and i , was enough to write

41:42

about the bits that were more enjoyable

41:45

eating eating and it

41:47

takes a that rock and roll

41:49

lifestyle and not just reading a story

41:52

about be spring

41:52

and how much he loved him

41:55

and then finally got to

41:57

meet him

41:58

the extraordinary

41:59

invited to policy in the hamptons

42:02

thirty that he was attending but

42:04

then there's this lovely moments of you've

42:06

met him when he bases says is

42:08

either keep in touch or passing

42:10

his wife said you was to the left will keep

42:12

in touch and he base egos

42:15

com father

42:16

well wouldn't meet my way

42:18

for have to say it was like this if

42:20

i was so of canada yell kill

42:22

us that barbecue springsteen that sounds really

42:25

nice thing and it was funny we go all

42:27

the way back to tell room and

42:29

and she said because , a car long

42:31

journey back and from hunt the bursting in manhattan

42:34

manhattan ninety minutes maybe boxer traffic any magical

42:37

tunnel and all that kinda stuff got back motel

42:39

and line to we are yet awesome that's

42:42

been invited to the barbecue and

42:45

over jersey and bump over bar and before

42:48

i could even say that's great

42:50

she said and by the way we're

42:52

, going going by the way

42:55

you're telling them so

42:57

when you get to meet you know it's like the

42:59

wizard of oz when you get behind the curtain as

43:01

a lot of things that are never the same again

43:03

i mean it's , quite the same going

43:06

to gig again because you know kind

43:08

of what's going on the back these a good

43:10

friend sent me one day i don't like going

43:12

to gauge as the position friendly six friendly

43:14

knew backstage as backstage much

43:16

better bargain the suffix effects

43:18

and it is free and all that can they and

43:21

can they take away some of the

43:23

the kind of miss you built up

43:26

from sitting in the stalls and watson in

43:28

a while or standing a a a gig and and

43:30

imagining what's what's backstage some

43:33

of that goes was just being in a band and

43:36

, the last things that you cling

43:38

onto his having people that

43:40

you love that you loved or not the it

43:42

i remember remember

43:45

i remember the smell of born to remember getting

43:47

in the house and unwrapping it and i can

43:49

remember know spob the cop or packaging

43:51

but i remember how excited that was

43:54

to get our record our i

43:56

can us don't we didn't want to

43:59

i did it hi my best i've got outage what

44:01

the barbecue really but in retrospect a

44:03

like the fact that we we

44:05

just kept latvia i i

44:07

still feel either but bob dylan as well

44:10

he about even if i if

44:12

i should meal boxing to estimate no not receiving

44:16

was

44:16

oh god i always been forced to say

44:19

is eco friendly say so

44:20

okay i thought

44:22

the moment the situation beef you're out

44:25

the barbecue not necessary springsteen barbecue

44:27

for us

44:28

the yeah became and

44:30

you just given a passage the he thought was under

44:32

done any such as

44:34

calmly as his frank they are corny as

44:36

said would you take swim images

44:38

with worry me out

44:40

could a wider i know resist not sounds

44:42

a bit the beers

44:44

a little but cannot simply

44:46

yeah but also what if he turned

44:48

up and

44:48

the dreadful evening is a sweaty boy

44:51

think i've done the lady bore a present present in the

44:53

boot but been it really horrible for have you

44:55

read you must be outdoors lows listed as

44:57

a celtic i remember someone

44:59

dragging us to a very famous rock stars

45:01

house and and will sit there and liberal

45:03

what's it was kinda forced to line little what

45:05

singer this

45:08

is a related by with the stories are like to see the

45:10

i'd that critique treat back to that you're

45:13

having

45:14

reading suit islam and

45:16

, have my own bathing suit story in

45:18

the book as you know this is other rock star story

45:20

which was we went we were in los angeles

45:23

and

45:25

friends who are virginian

45:27

friends got , know bono

45:29

and you to people and

45:31

we ended up going out to malibu one day with

45:33

porno his wife ali and an open top

45:35

car if is everything in the back of convertible

45:38

car it's the most uncomfortable right

45:40

just because they with davon bonus

45:42

why for tuck it in the frontier like old friends and

45:44

we were just get windswept windswept

45:46

the about and malibu beach is

45:48

a steep and is lox single on the beach

45:50

and so will the dots and going swimming

45:53

i went swimming it was a time when

45:55

i still had you know the

45:57

buddy smugglers as collect call them

45:59

and

45:59

the my time i can i got kind of pummeled

46:02

by a huge wave and a key markets and

46:04

i could see the shock the look of shock

46:06

on the women's faces as i came out because

46:09

in my trunks was about two

46:11

hundred pounds of single answer

46:13

is i feel announced that the

46:15

, a specific

46:17

are outdated testicles it was

46:20

testicles was it was so it'll that's

46:22

why should really never hang out with

46:24

that other celebs still that's

46:26

an absolute first for us on the podcast

46:28

the phrase

46:29

don't take it has to go here

46:30

need a long time coming

46:33

the very not say and yes i keep receipts

46:36

i'm astonished

46:38

television shows this is a other aspect

46:41

of being a nice entertainers the

46:43

you draw attention to be fucked up

46:46

because when you're promoting a

46:48

product and either

46:50

your tortured artist but you still have to promote

46:52

your product and even we've got to help with so

46:55

destroy us find

46:57

yourself

46:57

saturday morning spanish

46:59

or variety show

47:00

yeah i think it's so

47:02

alike

47:03

it was an index take away take yeah

47:05

you know that not tonight show death

47:07

oh i don't know you know that he's thrown

47:10

at them and speak spanish with up with the problem perhaps

47:12

if i'd spoken for in spanish old might been clear

47:14

but yeah you told the guy comes up

47:16

the would you like to the pump i'm bob

47:18

yes we're going to congratulate you on

47:20

big number one in spain that he didn't know you

47:22

it's

47:25

a funny thing a spanish tv i

47:27

mean pompom bomb was alive

47:29

and tainment show and such shots

47:31

you and v some things and the to host

47:33

of it was a guy who what kind

47:36

of em you don't than a suit

47:38

with white sensors you

47:40

know

47:41

probably should have taken were not of us and

47:44

in a as a glamorous younger assist

47:46

someone came up to me said look at the end of the shall we

47:48

do pompom pump would you join

47:50

in and i thought well off to be a comedy

47:53

the here and there

47:55

i do i join them and somewhere that

47:57

maybe that videotape saw videotape telephone

47:59

hello

47:59

my phone line about resilient

48:02

there is saying pump pump pump more do

48:04

have to rattle something what was said something

48:06

it was essentially

48:08

a com

48:10

i am sure that is different we've never been

48:12

asked to com the

48:13

no

48:15

i wonder where to be passed but these are they going to

48:17

be a two person cause noticeable fans

48:19

are not much of a sexy but it

48:21

or else sales well i think the pandemic

48:24

saved us a social distancing

48:26

from say but many of our attempts of publicity

48:28

assists the aging rock star is

48:30

often a source of some

48:32

kind this voices hilarity

48:36

but it's a bit of a stereotype

48:37

are you from your the status

48:41

as the day

48:41

in lobster cricket have the upper

48:44

and defensive fund raising

48:46

of

48:46

yeah and how does

48:48

it say when your ass on stage

48:51

because same make together they should

48:53

see a b c as her birthday

48:55

treat said the royal albert hall and

48:57

wonderful bans wonderful stage we look around

48:59

the audience and acoustical people

49:02

we are age and i suppose

49:04

which dates a gay guy mean i still expect

49:06

this enough not for young people even if i'm

49:08

saying an old bad so when you're onstage

49:11

looking out at your fans d

49:14

think we've all age together

49:16

and this is fine or this is uncomfortable

49:18

word young people would sit at night t

49:21

listen i'm just glad that the people there but i'm

49:24

i i don't notice

49:26

it i was think oh and it

49:28

was much the same different parts

49:30

of the were and , you

49:32

go and someone picks up on you

49:34

tube you know i live videos videos

49:36

the did in latin this

49:38

will look a bit different in our has different in

49:41

but more bones and the audience but

49:43

knows really nice a i i

49:45

always wanted to set myself a

49:47

the task of writing

49:49

songs age appropriate songs appropriate just

49:51

thought that thought that going to be pavin

49:54

else can be much more interesting you know because

49:56

since the last have you made a record

49:59

you

49:59

a couple years will have passed and and

50:02

things will have happened you know events family events

50:04

will have happened things , changed

50:06

your opinion about things will have happened happened

50:09

is the last time i made a wreck even because

50:11

of this got you reckon it gives a while since i wrote

50:13

songs but i've become a a become a granddaughter

50:16

a so you know that

50:18

saw a thing of all changes

50:20

in all the time buttery worry

50:22

about it i just as as as a

50:24

sink i beat always grateful

50:26

that doesn't audience there

50:28

me up there is an was

50:30

one of our to pronounce his energetic

50:32

alec as a gauge but the we've got away good

50:34

sweep she's suing the ring said

50:35

okay and

50:38

a giant and

50:39

a giant policy

50:41

seal album i thought brickhouse

50:43

distinctive awesome and

50:46

thought foolishness and at times

50:49

or the sad

50:50

when the maybe is a the thing is a slight

50:52

indulgence but it's it's nice

50:55

to have time

50:58

to approach songs that don't

51:00

have to hurry them in an odd doctor force

51:02

away into your life your know expecting

51:04

to get on us a playlist on the radio and

51:07

the not there to be dance to

51:09

or whatever and they don't require they musicians

51:11

really is just it's just me play

51:13

the piano and piano and and

51:16

i supposed a yeah just like you

51:18

know just like the

51:21

, or the freedom to

51:23

to to make that kind of record i

51:25

suppose there is a slight the song about my mom

51:28

who who had died i think

51:30

probably just after what songs it's really about

51:32

her her quite old

51:34

and and she was really with

51:36

her actually she was ninety two and she died she was really

51:39

together but even she was

51:41

starting to you know just little things were coming

51:43

away and forgetting and so on and and there was and

51:45

song called all dressed up which is is about

51:48

that and just hearths or awareness

51:50

to all

51:52

the farmers use the youngest sister you know never

51:54

else had gone that was quite a i

51:57

, that that's of goossens the book

51:59

as well suppose in the and in a book about

52:01

my months every chapter about be taken aback

52:03

on halloween one night and

52:05

there is so there probably is probably

52:07

problem is that

52:08

and if you have been a young man starting

52:10

out now in the world and tic toc making

52:13

sense and eventual that kind of stuff do

52:15

you think that you would have been as

52:17

successful and which is stuck with

52:20

it

52:20

honestly have no idea at one

52:23

the great things i really appreciate were getting old

52:25

is he kind of think you know what

52:28

i do have to do that again as the what is

52:30

that is a sudden out of us was at people think

52:32

our he getting old and in org

52:34

closer to death and all that kinda thing i'm

52:37

, sure anyone really wants to do all over

52:39

again i don't realize is absolutely

52:41

i was asked if you

52:44

do some real i mean my transit

52:47

know what so one of my daughter's getting

52:49

my next week their second

52:51

eldest am and

52:54

so i'm just enjoying the fact that there

52:57

could often and make it a life and

53:00

hi i'm not sure once

53:03

are you from some billion pin again

53:05

would i want to do that as a i'm quite happy

53:07

to to let them

53:09

the one to that stage and would i want to

53:11

put a band together again and do all that stuff

53:13

again i don't think so so no

53:15

i i can't imagine do it again

53:17

now and it really takes really dim takes

53:19

a different kind of energy and different kind of confidence

53:22

and confidence reflect on missile a bit the book is

53:25

basically your attitude when you start off his yes

53:28

there's a beatles is bob dylan there

53:30

is joni mitchell's always interested people but actually

53:34

what the world is his ass and

53:36

that confidence is just can only

53:38

come and youth and it's and only young people

53:40

the thing that way i couldn't sigma we know

53:43

and twelve i think

53:45

your while to realize that i think some

53:48

people

53:48

some men wacky take on six

53:50

and they can really love the sixties

53:53

and seventies you that friendship these the concessions

53:55

you could have had with bruce springsteen honestly

53:57

article

53:58

that yeah in

53:59

maybe just invited a family that would lead

54:02

to a bomb yeah and we would have you know that you want

54:04

to when i was missing

54:05

you'll never know what you missed

54:07

on that burn sausage barbecue or just

54:10

a quick one quick one of your

54:12

daughter came by are you wearing until

54:13

no either ninety two tier

54:16

and i'll tell you like a heated pig

54:18

my friends it's ability he

54:20

, brought in the baptist church the city no i

54:22

understand the fundamentalism understand all

54:24

that stuff stuff why don't why

54:28

why the best it was a cousin who's read

54:30

like is older than me the still resenting it

54:33

bob will be called into question this is two

54:35

things i really don't get and one is weighing

54:37

the killed on the other and i have to see

54:39

this and all scott skills we hate for

54:41

thing about for about about

54:44

back button and , honor that will

54:47

go down under a cat is to

54:49

in the summer mosque in the back bikes

54:51

oldies in ah it's not good know

54:54

i'm a i'll take it in

54:56

it's place occasionally but i'm

54:58

not great fun of the fetus and well

55:00

if you want to comply cancelled and gay

55:02

virus or will approach to put on to

55:04

resist absolutely was you have to

55:06

be available have been rediscovered

55:17

hi

55:19

and

55:20

you started the ten what you think

55:22

about the new host to the university chess

55:25

because you've been on universe just others are happened

55:27

hey my ,

55:29

to use it as the suffice

55:32

need to have more than obtained news

55:34

to us and because i know that you have

55:37

had since the woods

55:41

i don't necessarily i think it's an incredibly

55:44

for and said

55:46

you

55:50

hop dot

55:50

the fence and right into the frying pan their sister

55:53

snow i think is a job skills

55:55

you've got to about five monday inability

55:58

to sweeping up costs to his

56:01

hey i'm in the end you have to say

56:05

the by

56:08

watches glasses and a

56:10

know he says it's going to his goodbyes

56:12

if good i should think about

56:14

goodbye for me that he says goodbye after

56:16

that he said i use it as it was so

56:19

if if i'm up and says do a twist on the

56:21

contemporary twist on that what

56:25

the white as know these

56:27

much younger than us he was i mean there

56:29

is much more in the night for

56:31

of we'll just have to wait and see what i'm

56:34

eager his second the final four they

56:36

seem to sign of since bring it says

56:39

please see us right now

56:41

when the university as well as it reminds

56:43

me birmingham when the university

56:46

if called and as

56:48

for you get it is also here since his i feel

56:51

sent well that celebrity teams

56:53

as and cozy today sitting at

56:55

then you'll be saying yes

56:58

no you can't make this a little tip

57:01

alaska romney

57:02

that's

57:04

when the yes there is probably the radical

57:06

isn't someone at the , that was

57:09

his idol definitely going to for he says dog

57:11

is patty our asks passing

57:13

on apache actually

57:16

the want to pass it on some of the living

57:19

shit like ethnic serbs

57:21

she doesn't she's probably closer to like

57:24

see that'd be

57:26

a pretty over the top

57:28

she ah that'd be more of a soon fortunately

57:31

to focus the bbc dot co dot uk a

57:33

decent guess next week eu is interesting it's

57:37

the noblest louisa nail

57:40

and she's written a new novel called either

57:42

way to sort of that the social media in his

57:44

eighties and about influences and

57:46

the of the lives they purport

57:49

to lead which may not be

57:51

the only see

57:52

hey bruce that

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