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We've had

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quite an interesting email. Post

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back. We have could have such a

1:01

thing. So we're talking on the

1:03

day after the Tuesday after the Monday

1:05

Yeah. -- of her majesty.

1:08

Did you watch the whole thing? And if you

1:10

didn't, at what point did you wander

1:13

off? I I put television on

1:15

very unusually for me because I'm very much a radio

1:17

person during the day. Well, well,

1:20

it's not strictly

1:20

true, of course, I speak, as three

1:23

three times. I'm efficient and quick to speak.

1:25

I guess so in trouble with that. So you're

1:27

you're struggling for which authentic self

1:29

to be. Yeah. Well, that's

1:32

that's interesting too because since

1:34

the queen died, I have I've

1:36

sometimes been at the top of my stairs in the

1:38

house with one view of things. And by the time

1:40

I've got down to the bottom, I've changed my mind. I've

1:42

been having this ever continuous conversation

1:47

with myself about what to think about it all and

1:49

who to be crossed with and whether I'm

1:51

on that side or the other side or I mean

1:53

fundamentally my view that I'm going to miss

1:55

her that hasn't changed. But

1:57

I am conflicted by quite a lot of the other stuff

1:59

that's

1:59

going on. I just wondered if everybody's feeling bit

2:02

a bit like that. And by the other stuff, you mean

2:04

the

2:05

representation of colonialism of

2:07

the empire? It's all that. And I've

2:09

spending our money along about other people's

2:11

views about that, which has been interesting. staying

2:14

good. But yes, the the conspicuous

2:17

spending of money, the conspicuous

2:20

wealth of the

2:21

royal family, the not

2:23

paying inheritance tax. The point that's

2:26

been made by lots of our listeners -- Yeah. -- is

2:28

there there seems to be a

2:30

one size fits all approach

2:32

to talking on air about

2:36

the funeral -- Mhmm. -- and about

2:38

the future accession where

2:40

phrases like we all and

2:42

everybody just keep being

2:45

used. And of course, that's

2:47

fine if you're on the side

2:49

that's cheering the pomp and pageantry

2:52

and mourning the loss, but it's not all in

2:54

everybody. defectives

2:56

that do people need to say

2:58

it might not be for everybody or do you

3:01

just, in the moment, have to assume an

3:03

occasion like that If you've been

3:05

bothered to watch or listen, you are very

3:07

interested. Yes. That's a really interesting one.

3:09

I think if I'm honest and let's face

3:11

it, I'd go and hate to lose. I may as well be honest.

3:13

I think I'd like to a little bit more

3:16

acknowledgement of the other side of

3:18

of the story and just an occasional

3:20

dissenting voice as part of the coverage because there are

3:23

plenty of aerodite informed

3:25

historians who were

3:27

not massive fans of the monarchy must

3:29

have been around and they could have been asked. So

3:32

I went to a podcast to escape

3:35

from exactly that, but just blanket

3:38

a monarchical celebration because

3:41

I just felt I needed to. I'm not trying

3:43

to score any. Is that me?

3:46

It's probably most It's really hot back.

3:48

Yeah. and not trying to score any kind

3:50

of little points or whatever. But I just for

3:52

all of the things you've just said, I really wanted

3:54

to hear something that wasn't, you

3:56

know, we're all feeding this way. So

3:59

Anita Anand and William,

4:01

I all want to say, Dow Wimpel,

4:03

but I think it's a Cyland L. This

4:06

is quite often the case and with Poshanabe.

4:08

at the higher Echelons of society, what

4:10

Echelons

4:10

of sorts of things that are actually fee

4:12

goable. Anyway, Anita Alland

4:14

and William Darrinpool do

4:16

a podcast called Empire the episode

4:19

this week is brilliant because it looks at about

4:21

so it looks at how the death of the queen

4:24

would be regarded through

4:26

empire goggles post empivotal

4:28

goggles, which is how an awful lot of people

4:30

around the world are feeling at the moment. And it's brilliant

4:32

because it's not savage and

4:35

it's not it's not personal about No.

4:37

And it's not making people feel uncomfortable if

4:39

they did love the queen or

4:41

currently love the monarchy. It's just providing

4:43

a really, really interesting discussion

4:46

about how other people might be feeling, but

4:48

key to it. And the thing that I found fascinating

4:50

about it was they discussed why

4:52

people can't put it in the national conversation

4:54

at the moment. So it's

4:56

really good for that Anyway,

4:58

give it a listen. I really enjoyed it. Okay.

5:00

We don't like to big help other people's work, but

5:02

Anita is a friend. Yes. Yeah. Well, I

5:04

think I'm gonna make you a bad thing.

5:07

support other other women. I

5:11

did try. I did try. to

5:14

go back to your original question, did I didn't I

5:16

didn't watch it all. I think because I'm

5:18

not religious. I think, like, a lot of other people

5:20

I was I loved some of the music. I thought

5:22

it was been possibly pointing into times.

5:24

And there wasn't very, like I said, some very

5:26

moving elements. I mean, the dog's the little pony.

5:29

Oh. Emma, the foul pony.

5:31

So did the funeral did it all genuinely

5:34

make you think about your own? But I've I

5:36

said to my elder daughter, this is the sort of standoff

5:38

I'd like, you know, if you can do.

5:40

She need to look a little pale. Look

5:44

back, I said, no. I've

5:46

got to be honest. It it with the best one in

5:48

the world, I don't think my funeral is gonna be on that

5:50

scale. you not die. I don't

5:54

we're we're sounding like well, I hope we

5:56

have made clear. Also, I'm just losing the role we're

5:58

here. I found parts of yesterday. You credibly

6:01

sad. And and

6:03

the hope by the end of the day, weirdly

6:05

because I'd also cleaned out the fridge and made

6:07

a pasta sauce. I felt like I've

6:09

been to a funeral. Yeah. That that

6:11

that feeling where well,

6:13

you said you really are quite drained.

6:16

Yes. when you've had pulled out of your

6:18

emotions that aren't really there on a day to day

6:20

basis if you're lucky. Yes.

6:22

Yeah. That that was it. Shall we read out

6:24

some of the emails that I I think

6:26

this is

6:26

this is a good one actually.

6:28

There's no name here. I just do

6:30

not care about her death. Says, this listener.

6:32

There I've said it. to say that we're all

6:34

upset and that this universal

6:35

and group grief is wrong.

6:37

I and all my friends are middle aged

6:39

and we're middle class and we are all left

6:41

totally cold by the coverage. and the nonstop

6:43

deference and the presumption that we all

6:45

care. Yes, it's sad for her family,

6:47

but it's not sad for me.

6:50

I think people are queuing for many reasons, not

6:52

least being a part of history and feeling something big

6:54

is happening that they want to see when it

6:56

leaves me cold. the access, the

6:58

inequality, the construction

7:00

of reports that a hundred percent of people are

7:02

grieving. There's an illusion being

7:04

created where it's unpatriotic, and

7:06

perhaps not quite human if you don't

7:08

feel this. I think

7:10

Yeah. Well, that's just one example of

7:12

someone who is utterly unmoved,

7:15

and I don't just leave them for a second.

7:17

But also, there's a part of me. This is why I start

7:19

arguing with myself. Yes. because I've been I

7:21

think why are you bothering to

7:23

tell other people

7:23

that you're not interested in something.

7:25

Because there's so many things I'm not interested in

7:28

that I don't but I don't bore people with the

7:30

things I'm not interested in because

7:31

it's fundamentally so interesting. Is

7:33

it? Yes. I know you know that maybe there

7:35

was a fee. This is more important right now. Yep. That

7:37

that it was so overwhelming. And

7:40

and and it is a good point to make as well that

7:42

just by out, you're not being offensive?

7:45

No. Not not at all. No. No. But

7:47

also, I can hold those two positions too. I

7:49

mean, I've had it all a bit much yesterday. But

7:51

also, you know, I there was something about

7:53

the the sense of the collective that

7:55

I really enjoyed. Yeah. Anyway,

7:58

our guest today is a

8:00

Trevor Nelson. I was gonna say, sorry, I said a

8:02

Trevor there. That was for a reason. It's a Trevor

8:04

because III do a lot of

8:06

research. be honest with you. And

8:08

I googled Trevor Nelson, but he's

8:10

interestingly is not look at

8:12

my spreadsheet. He is not

8:15

the most famous Trevor. So you put in Trevor.

8:17

I

8:17

don't think we'll get this, not in a million years

8:19

because

8:21

it's not McDonald's. I

8:22

was gonna say McDonald's. He's second. Really?

8:25

Yep.

8:28

Trevor Nunn. Trevor Nunn

8:30

Good shout because you're so radientful.

8:32

Okay. but not no.

8:35

Trevor Sinclair, the Trevor Sinclair. Yeah. The

8:37

footballer. Trevor Mcdonald,

8:39

then Trevor Noah who's the

8:41

comedian, comedian, and talk show host, isn't

8:43

it? And then the TZ

8:45

Weasy Raymond of our Times, Trevor

8:47

Sorbee.

8:48

Yes. I don't

8:51

know about laughing. But I've I've

8:53

used

8:53

thirty of these products in my time. I bet

8:55

you have. Yeah. Well, that's

8:57

something we can talk to Trevor about. How do

8:59

we feel on the list of travelers. I might just ask him.

9:01

No. Can we just do some

9:03

very quick shout outs as well? We've

9:05

got a wedding, haven't we free, and

9:07

it's Laura Laura Creeks, who

9:09

is varying. Is it Ram? Well, it

9:11

says Ram Mason

9:13

in Scotland. And I did is that AII

9:16

thought maybe it was it might be a typo

9:18

that terribly offensive if your name

9:20

is wrong. To for everyone,

9:22

just assume that

9:23

that's wrong.

9:24

Wrong. Wrong. I thought it might

9:26

be wrong.

9:26

Anyway, we want you to have a lovely day,

9:29

Laura. You have a great time. And

9:31

just a quick household tip, and I like these.

9:33

Just keep some of your emails. Could be briefer, I'll

9:35

be honest. And Elena just says

9:37

a bread knife works wonders on cardboard.

9:39

She writes. Pithy. Good

9:41

point. And you you won't forget it.

9:43

Thank you. In all of the tethering in the

9:47

one thing that you'll say to me.

9:49

Yep. Can we say a very big hello

9:51

to Rose, who's known

9:53

as Lulu, whose sister is

9:55

Jane, who runs my local bookshop -- Yeah. -- and

9:57

she listens to the podcast. Right. A

9:59

lot. So she again, she does, and she very much

10:01

enjoys it. And she's one of those people who

10:03

never stays until the end. and I don't know

10:05

how many people come up to you and say, hallelujah.

10:07

Unfortunately, I never hear it till the exit. I've always

10:09

followed the sleep. And I'm a

10:11

little bit me. It has

10:13

taken me. It must be

10:15

six six nights on the trops that I've been

10:17

sent to sleep by the same Archer's

10:19

omnibus edition

10:21

that ends with a confrontation between

10:23

Ben and Rory about

10:25

Rory's sugar mummy. and

10:28

this is just words to me. I

10:30

know it's just it's like a word soup to you.

10:32

Yes. And it's I

10:34

I only finished it day. And I had

10:36

to listen to the final six or seven minutes

10:38

in daylight

10:38

hours so that I could get to the epic conclusion.

10:41

because he accused him of the grandpa's

10:43

did you? Oh my

10:45

gosh. Oh my gosh. I was listening

10:47

in the queue at the post office. I couldn't believe

10:49

it. Did you

10:49

make a thanks? I first

10:53

my lips and exclaimed. Yes. Yeah.

10:56

But we don't mind if we're used as a

10:58

sleeping age at all. No. We're very

11:00

flattered. Right. do you do a very

11:02

long email. No. It's just from another

11:04

listener who wants to share because we

11:06

talked, if you're not listening to

11:08

these podcasts in order, you may not know that Ph.

11:10

and I were at the people's press

11:12

awards where we found out about the death of a queen.

11:14

And Sarah says

11:15

she wants to tell us where where she

11:17

was. she had popped

11:19

into a branch of pound

11:21

stretcher to pick up some toiletries.

11:23

Now, I don't know if you've ever been in a

11:25

in a shop like pound stretcher in a small

11:28

Midlands market town, but in all

11:30

fairness, Cecero, I don't think of them as the

11:32

most

11:32

lucrative shops. It

11:33

was very quiet in the shop. which

11:35

is a high ceilinged echo y building.

11:38

And I browsed the strange

11:40

toiletries, leisurely, when all of a sudden

11:42

at

11:42

the quiet, a very loud and very

11:44

gruff male voice shouted. The queen

11:46

stood. Somebody

11:48

shouted equally, roughly. God bless

11:50

her. I grabbed my mobile in shock

11:52

to find that yes. the announcement had

11:54

been made. I've still not come to

11:56

terms with the fact that at this most historic of

11:58

moments, I'd allowed myself to be

11:59

trapped, not only

12:00

in a shot, but in the toiletries

12:02

aisle of a low brow, low quality

12:05

establishment, low quality

12:07

establishment. I pay for my

12:09

hand wash and random coat. and

12:11

allowed myself a week. I think

12:13

I'd

12:13

always thought that I would hear this news on a radio,

12:15

in a wooden case surrounded by a family

12:17

at home, around a roaring fire with a glass

12:19

of scary, but, alas, it was not to be.

12:22

Well,

12:22

there was another email that said, did

12:24

I remember the Queen's trip to Harrisford in

12:26

eighteen eighty seven? And I was that's

12:29

Look, I I have an age well.

12:30

But no, I don't.

12:33

And that would have been the late Victoria,

12:36

of course. when somebody maybe laugh on

12:38

Twitter by

12:38

saying, why do we keep on having to call him

12:40

King Charles the third? because it's not like you

12:42

might mistake him from King Charles the second

12:44

who was long gone by six in eighty

12:46

five. And it's a very it's a true

12:48

observation. It is it is a true but

12:50

somebody should I hear someone saying, and here we

12:52

have oh, we I'm afraid there was a smoke

12:54

in our house when somebody

12:56

commentating referred to the presence of

12:58

the six living prime ministers.

13:01

And you think, well, yeah, because you

13:03

have to say it. I don't think

13:05

there's another way of making clear, but

13:07

it does sound as though, you know,

13:08

the dead ones haven't turned up or or or

13:10

or they couldn't be bothered at you know,

13:13

it's it's not it's not

13:15

possible for them to come. They say,

13:17

no. I mean, they were pick the younger, picking

13:19

up a lot of space Email

13:21

us at fortunately dot

13:24

podcast at BBC dot co dot u

13:26

k. Hello,

13:27

Trevor. Hello, Jane

13:29

Vic. How Hello.

13:30

Hello. Hello.

13:31

Hello. Love me

13:32

to see you. Goodbye. Thanks

13:35

for coming.

13:36

Yes.

13:39

I'm we're lucky I'm gonna be to be by

13:41

the Gestapo. That's

13:42

a terrible thing to say travel

13:45

board. two middle aged women,

13:47

wherever it's a car mind. We're ever so

13:49

empathetic. We forget

13:51

we forget lots of things.

13:53

Why are you? It'll all go absolutely

13:55

swimmingly. We've got nothing to worry about at

13:57

all. How's he got a

13:59

swanky

13:59

officer's vision? I don't

14:02

think he's got gold this He's got gold discs. Oh my

14:04

god.

14:04

No. That's not what I was trying to show you.

14:06

This is this is my little office or

14:08

my little pictures of yep.

14:10

Because I won't set record label. I have a lot

14:12

of I just moved everything

14:14

from my office years ago into

14:16

my

14:17

husband. You've

14:18

used the word moved there. What you mean is

14:20

Nick. Don't you? Nick. Well, yeah.

14:22

I mean, Well, no.

14:23

No. No. No. He's all my thing. He's

14:25

all my thing. And back in the day, we used

14:27

to get loads of discs of playing

14:29

artist's music. So I've got loads

14:31

of my

14:31

favorite artist in here, but it's only a little

14:34

tiny office. It

14:34

has changed right. It's very impressive. It is a

14:37

business. And do do they not give

14:39

DJ's managers, people in the industry,

14:42

celebratory discs anymore?

14:43

Not so much anymore. But, I mean, I

14:46

I don't think so because physical

14:48

copies don't So it's streaming now,

14:50

isn't it? Yeah. So back in the

14:52

day, you'd get, like, a disc for a million

14:54

sales of something and you gave

14:56

somebody, you know, of their first interview

14:58

or or they're they're a

15:00

live session or something and I

15:02

mean, I've got now I've got pretty nice got a

15:04

pretty nice collection up here. That's my

15:06

favorite.

15:06

Yeah. But it's such

15:08

a big question, but let's do it anyway. Let's

15:10

start let's start with a heavy question. Is that

15:12

alright with you, Jane? Oh, I can't wait. What is this? Well,

15:14

I'm in tested by the streaming

15:16

services? Are they

15:19

genius? Are they evil? Are they

15:21

killing creativity? Are they

15:23

actually be enhancing creativity?

15:25

What do you – where's your

15:27

head on that?

15:28

It depends on what

15:30

stage of life your app at the moment and

15:32

how

15:33

connected you are. I mean, it's

15:36

interesting. I I'm on this

15:38

podcast because I feel it's so

15:41

transparently middle aged and

15:43

I am

15:43

so middle aged myself. No. I like

15:45

it. No. Don't don't look each other like that.

15:47

I I never. I did

15:48

a lot of research. earlier and

15:51

determine that you are six months older than

15:53

me. That's what I

15:54

mean. We're middle aged. I

15:55

know. But do I I don't

15:58

I still cling to the idea

15:59

that I

16:00

might not be and I put it to

16:02

you that you don't really regard you. You're

16:05

not a creaky old thing. You're

16:07

not. You're defiantly ageless.

16:10

Yes,

16:10

but my sister

16:12

turned sixty.

16:13

She turned sixty yesterday. She's

16:16

having a big blow up

16:18

at the weekend. She's completely

16:20

opposite to me. I was I said, what was

16:22

that like as a kid? She said, a geek. You

16:24

know, you I'm an introvert by

16:26

nature. She's an extrovert. She's having three

16:28

hundred people at her birthday party. Right.

16:30

So she's out there. she's

16:31

out there. And I'm I on the other hand would

16:34

have five, you know, ten.

16:36

And and I just think we

16:38

used to look at people, our parents'

16:40

age and think, Oh,

16:41

they're gone. It's only far. You know,

16:43

the age of forty. And then you get to forty,

16:45

you feel like you're twenty five. Mhmm. No doubt. If

16:47

you get to fifty, you actually

16:49

feel like you're thirty five or forty depending

16:51

on how you live. And that's

16:52

why I I listen to I I don't listen

16:54

to podcasts, but I listen to this one

16:57

a couple time. My missus loves your podcast,

16:59

by the way. Mhmm. And she's a

17:01

great woman.

17:01

Yeah. What text? Yeah. Lovely.

17:03

She's got you, and fortunately, in

17:06

her life. I

17:07

still think, Jason,

17:09

lots of people are age, and they all you

17:11

can see it in them. I'm not ready to,

17:13

you know, smoke a part and put my slippers on.

17:16

And I think streaming so I'll get back to your

17:18

question on streaming. Those people

17:21

who use technology

17:21

no matter what age they are, I think

17:24

it's fantastic. you

17:25

don't have you don't have to

17:27

stop to see these in your house. You don't have

17:29

vinyl everywhere. You don't you just you don't have

17:31

to overcommit. You just If you

17:33

like something, you listen to it and then you leave it there. And if you wanna

17:35

keep it listen to it, you listen. It's like when

17:37

YouTube came about. You I I'll

17:40

I'll go back to YouTube. I was on

17:42

MTV when YouTube first came

17:44

about, and it killed MTV. It

17:46

absolutely overnight. It

17:49

was over. I would

17:49

sit on the show and say,

17:52

right. At the end of the show, we've got the

17:54

exclusive new ASHA video, and I

17:56

knew everybody would be

17:58

hanging on I can talk absolute fat for half an

18:00

hour as long as I play that exclusive

18:02

video at the end. The moment YouTube came

18:04

about and those users, those

18:06

fans can watch that

18:07

video twenty times over. My

18:10

show is irrelevant in terms

18:12

of exclusive videos. It's

18:14

that thing of immediacy. I've

18:16

got vinyl wall of records, and people come in

18:18

my house. Oh, you must love going in there. So I've

18:20

been here six years. I've never touched them.

18:23

Really?

18:23

Really? Yeah. touched

18:25

them. Not even called one out like

18:27

that apart from to take a

18:29

picture

18:29

or something because I'm

18:32

doing my playlist, streaming is

18:34

so convenient. So I'm a

18:36

convert and I and I hate to admit

18:38

it. But

18:38

why do you why do you hate to admit it.

18:40

Well, what's is is there some kind of will

18:42

there always be some kind of snobbery about

18:45

Vinyl? What

18:45

Well, IIII

18:47

know your your

18:49

listeners can't see this, but I'm gonna do this anyway. He's

18:51

should be safe.

18:53

Do some comments. Comment to

18:55

what's going on here, Les? Yes.

18:57

trevor has moved to the back of the room, and

18:59

he has got soul to soul. From

19:01

yes. Sol to soul album.

19:03

Right? Yeah. It's

19:04

street rep. So it's especially and I

19:07

haven't opened it. I've had it here for ages.

19:09

Now

19:09

just buying

19:10

this in the shop, back in the Bay is to

19:12

work in a record shop. just touching

19:14

it is slightly orgasmic. Mhmm.

19:16

Right? Mhmm. Mhmm. You're fine with it. Well, he

19:18

he

19:18

hasn't done orgasm for years. That's basically

19:21

how

19:21

much. it's really

19:24

quiet. We can finish because

19:26

I think

19:26

he's making a very important point. Sorry.

19:28

So

19:28

I really got I only get a

19:30

little you know, you know,

19:33

brand new Trevor Nelson's impersonation

19:35

of an

19:35

orgasm everybody. I thought I thought it was alright.

19:37

you what it's all here on the BBC today?

19:40

Isn't it? Get away with the murder on

19:42

BBC Sachs. Oh, I love

19:43

it. I love it.

19:44

Yes. Sorry. We'll stop in erupting. Oh,

19:46

no. Don't open it. No. Don't open it for us. I'm gonna

19:48

open

19:48

it. No. I'm gonna open it for you because

19:50

it's been here in my house. Jetty. It's

19:53

dangerous. sizes like my kids do it and I

19:55

say stop doing that with the scissors. I know

19:57

it's health and safety. Oh, everything's

19:59

channeling. Okay. What does this smell

20:02

like, Trevor? but it

20:03

smells like plastic at the moment because it

20:05

could come to it. But look, I'm opening it up. Can

20:07

you see this? Yes. Beautiful. Look

20:10

at It's in a steep in a steep line of sight.

20:12

you and me in that pose. Go ahead.

20:15

Okay. I don't think so late,

20:17

please. Lila and

20:19

Alex. Pull

20:21

it out. Whoa. Look at that.

20:23

It's a special sort of vinyl on there.

20:25

Oh, yeah. Sure. I didn't

20:26

go and play that, and don't feel that we need

20:29

describe this because that's a colored

20:31

vinyl. It's got a kind of cream

20:33

on the inside and

20:35

oh, that's foam.

20:36

Oh, my god. Yeah. It's a bit tight. It is a bit tight.

20:38

I was like,

20:39

that's what that is. You see,

20:41

that brings back to me the sheer

20:43

and it was as close to an orgasm as I

20:45

ever got in my teens as pop popping

20:47

down to the to the record shop on a

20:50

Saturday and spending your pocket money

20:52

on hopefully, on colored

20:54

vinyl. or

20:54

a picture sleeve and

20:57

it so to me, the beauty

20:59

the beauty of ownership of a song

21:01

I would go back home and play in

21:03

my room fifteen times in a row

21:06

before, you know, your mom would come up to school.

21:07

But, yeah, stop there. We've all heard it.

21:10

That's Yeah. And the kids who just

21:12

lie around in their bedrooms with their headphones

21:14

on streaming. I don't know. But then on the

21:17

other hand, of streaming, your

21:19

kids get to hear music that you would

21:21

never have expected them to know about. I

21:23

couldn't believe that my nineteen year old

21:25

knew Billy Joel.

21:26

Yeah. just so weird. This is the

21:28

thing. Everything is available. And

21:31

when we were teenagers, we were very

21:33

tribal. Yeah. You know, we've our text

21:35

music, we dressed a certain way. You could almost tell

21:38

what music somebody likes from across the road

21:40

from the way they were dressed. There's a certain

21:42

pride in the way you dress you're a soul boy, you're a

21:44

cashew, you're pump, you're a skinnage,

21:46

you're a new romantic, or

21:48

whatever. And it all it it all trickled

21:50

down to buying this bit of vinyl and

21:52

what have you got go around someone's house. You'd have a

21:54

look at your records. You'd have a look at their little

21:56

record collection. I actually dated girls

21:58

just to go and nicked their records sometimes. I can

21:59

believe that. But

22:03

so

22:03

streaming has its

22:05

pros and it

22:07

has its cons for me. I think that

22:09

we're a generation where we were

22:11

I

22:12

mean, we were just so connected to to

22:15

the you had to go clubbing, you had to go by

22:17

the venue, you had to wear the clothes nowadays.

22:19

We have festivals that are

22:21

that have a

22:21

hundred different genres of music, different

22:24

stages. Kids go there, they

22:26

dress almost identical. You couldn't

22:28

really tell, you know, but a skinny, jean

22:30

face has mean, everybody was in

22:32

skinny jeans. So, I mean, what does that mean?

22:34

Do you like, indeed? Do you like hip hop? Do you like

22:36

dance? Do you like, you know, it

22:38

it was that that's the way that

22:40

it is. And then someone was I saw an Afro

22:42

b act. I saw a I saw a

22:44

pop act. I saw a hip hop act. I saw Reg

22:46

A Act. And that's they come up from

22:48

festivals feeling. whole. And the

22:49

other big difference is Beyonce

22:52

dropped her album. And the whole

22:54

world got it the

22:55

same day. You know, the same argument print

22:57

used to have. I hate promoting my record

22:59

that I made two years ago.

23:01

In England, when I made it two years ago, I've

23:03

got a new album and

23:05

he had to go around the world and he hated

23:07

it and and that doesn't happen anymore.

23:09

So And also, did

23:11

shortly, Trevor, if you're

23:13

making music in your bedroom, there has never

23:15

been a better time to be recognized

23:18

for your talent. I mean, you can put it

23:20

up there yourself. You don't really

23:22

need the labels. dare I say it, you might not

23:24

need the DJs. You

23:26

know, the the sharing and yeah.

23:28

I know easy. The sharing

23:30

and liking of new music has got

23:32

to be more kind of democratic,

23:34

hasn't it? Yeah. It's

23:35

a different a while, isn't it? The world's

23:37

changed massively. Record companies don't have that

23:40

control. When I joined the label,

23:42

EMI was ninety or

23:44

four. I joined DMI records for five

23:47

years and at

23:47

the time Kylie was the

23:49

queen. Everyone had to look like Kylie.

23:52

know,

23:52

so if you sign in an artist, she's

23:55

got to be kailish or, you know,

23:57

have that figure that look that you

23:59

you know what I mean? Everybody was

24:01

thinking all

24:01

the boys with beautiful boy bands. I ask

24:04

you, Brad and Bowen, man, share,

24:06

you know, Adele may not

24:08

have got signed in the nineties.

24:10

because of wrong, you're not very marketable. Mhmm. And

24:12

you certainly wouldn't have had a Lewis Capaldi

24:15

post. No. Because of the You mean their looks. I do

24:17

think they've seen testing. Yeah. Yeah. It's

24:18

a fact people don't wanna say out

24:20

loud, but I can tell you for

24:23

sure if if I I

24:25

yeah. If I had a chair of maybe

24:27

it's Talented Disease, it is.

24:29

That'd be Russian and freeism publishing.

24:32

Oh, you write great songs. We'll give them to him, him, him, and

24:34

him, because we can market them. We're

24:36

not sure. We can market you

24:38

though. They wouldn't say that to him, but

24:40

that he may struggle to get signed.

24:42

no space just because there's this thing about guys

24:44

that look like him have been marketable, you

24:46

know. That's changed completely. You

24:48

know? It's it's rack and bone man.

24:50

He's about seven foot tall.

24:52

He he he no one's

24:54

gonna say I can market you, but

24:57

best, etcetera. it. His

24:58

real name is Rory, isn't it? Isn't it is it Rory

25:00

or Roofers or something like that? It's definitely

25:02

not Risenbaum, ma'am. Is he not

25:05

christened Risenbaum? No. He wasn't it. Right.

25:07

Say Trevor you were starting out if you were a

25:09

young man now, let's say you're, you know,

25:11

twenty five years old, you love your

25:13

music. Would you do you

25:15

think that you would able to successful

25:18

as you have been?

25:20

that No. Okay.

25:22

I don't know. Just watch it simply

25:25

because There were too many people

25:27

trying to do this

25:28

now because how easy is

25:30

to get music. You had to

25:32

die for me. You had

25:35

to sacrifice everything. I went for

25:37

part radio. I went for spending more money

25:39

than I earned on records for about

25:41

five years. I had to

25:43

do legal parties. I had to

25:45

do risk my myself

25:47

doing part of redoing blocks

25:49

of and Builders follow

25:51

him really slowly to be, you know,

25:53

I mean, really I mean, my first

25:55

gig I did club. I

25:58

had thirty I've said this before, so I've

26:00

had thirty people attend. Twenty

26:02

seven on the guest list.

26:06

Right. Three Are you paying punters?

26:08

Okay. Three paying punters. Right? So I'm

26:10

got who DJ with me said to me,

26:12

do you

26:12

think we should be a bit more

26:15

commercial? Or should we play some sort of forty

26:17

stuff? And I said, don't know? I mean, the club owner was

26:19

looking at me saying, I've got more stuff than you've got

26:21

punters in, mate. You're not coming back. IIII

26:23

have gone to my mate, and I said, well,

26:26

three

26:26

people paid. So

26:28

next time I heard four people play. That was

26:30

my attitude. Right? And that's how I

26:32

grew my name. I just

26:33

didn't give up. I did Mondays.

26:35

I did Tuesday nights. All of the

26:37

club nights no one wanted. Mhmm. And that made

26:39

me a bit weird, and it made me in a

26:41

little group of small group of people who

26:43

had absolutely dedicated to the music.

26:46

You know, it was my hobby, and that's

26:48

why I became something I

26:50

think because just was so passionate about it

26:52

and it you know, I don't think you

26:54

said to me that age

26:56

of seventeen wanna be

26:58

a radio broadcaster. There was no one like me

27:00

to look at to say I could do this job.

27:02

You know? I was listening to radio

27:04

one and capital and it was the

27:06

establishment. You know, it was just that big

27:08

household name DJs. And I was hoping

27:10

I'd

27:10

hear a Stevie Wanda Record played or a

27:13

Gladys Knight Record played or you know,

27:15

go for a bit of hip hop record plate.

27:17

And so I don't think I would

27:19

be trying to do this now because I think it'll be

27:21

too it will be special enough. Oh,

27:22

know a bit more about pirate radio

27:24

because I think to a lot of our listeners that will

27:26

be something that they just what was the

27:28

TV show that recently was a pirate

27:30

radio station and what was that? People

27:33

just

27:33

do nothing. People just do nothing. Yeah. Yeah.

27:35

Yeah. Right. Right.

27:36

So pirate radio, what was

27:38

what was the atmosphere at these these places

27:40

like? Were they really at the top of Tower Blocks?

27:42

Did the police come and

27:44

try and shut you was the council? I can't remember what

27:46

what happened. ETI,

27:47

they were called the DTI where

27:49

our where our police. Right. All

27:51

of it is true. and

27:53

none of it is made honestly. We we

27:56

did it purely because the

27:58

stranglehold

27:58

that radio one

28:00

had on music in his country was unbelievable.

28:03

if the record got playlist in the radio one, it would show. Mhmm.

28:05

Record didn't get playlist

28:06

in radio one, it'd be nowhere normally.

28:09

Right?

28:09

So the the outlets of this Capital

28:11

and radio one may mainly with the two

28:13

main stations. And in

28:15

order if as a sole buyer, sole

28:18

fan, in order to hear that

28:20

music, I had to go club in and I wasn't a

28:22

clubber. I was a collector. Every

28:24

time I had ten pounds in my pocket, my friends would

28:26

go, should we go to a clubber? Be like, oh, no. I

28:28

could

28:28

buy two albums with that. Those two albums could

28:30

last be fifty years. Whereas

28:33

the club will be three hours. I'm not

28:36

interested. wasn't interested in girls. wasn't interested in all that

28:38

stuff. I just wanted to play music.

28:40

So,

28:40

you know, I

28:42

got invited onto a park radio station

28:44

purely because it was extension

28:46

of that club. It's a way of doing

28:48

a club night on the radio and

28:50

letting people hear your music. We

28:53

had

28:53

about twenty five DJs, at

28:55

least on Kisspira. Some of who

28:57

went on to huge success, Judge

29:00

Jules, Norman

29:01

j, Soul to Soul.

29:03

I mean, I the list goes on. There were so many

29:05

of us really created. And

29:08

we

29:08

did it was once in

29:11

my flat. I had a flat, a

29:13

council for that.

29:14

Nineteen floors up in Laytonstone, whether

29:16

it's my girlfriend's council for that. Do we

29:18

want do do you want us to pass the details

29:20

on to the authorities? Because

29:22

I can.

29:22

They didn't get us, obviously, but they they did

29:24

take us off their loads of notes, and it was the

29:26

most devastating feeling when you driving

29:29

up and then you go off there. It

29:31

was the most devastating feeling to me. And when

29:33

you say

29:33

that, so we're talking about the Department of Trade and

29:35

in a

29:35

Okay. And in back industry. Yeah. Yeah.

29:37

And so what would they be parked up in a

29:39

van? Were they actual physical people? What

29:41

I

29:41

know that a trick with pirate radio was

29:44

simple, and this is where it was genius.

29:46

So we'd be in a tower block, maybe.

29:48

Or anyway, you didn't have to be in a tower block to

29:50

broadcast. Your aerial had to

29:52

be in a tower block. Right? Of course. It was a thing called a

29:54

microwave link. So I

29:56

could be in hackney. Our

29:58

microwave link could be in Layton.

29:59

DTI will get the Microwave link

30:02

before they'd find the studio. Okay. Do

30:04

you they

30:04

just take it down and you'd be in the middle of a

30:06

link. Boom. You've gone off there. That was a cat

30:08

and mouse game. And can

30:09

you have a digital pirate radio

30:12

station now? Oh, I

30:14

don't

30:14

know. He wouldn't know

30:15

about kind of thing. Oh, no.

30:16

That I've moved on. He's in

30:18

a pillar of the establishment. Yeah.

30:20

I don't think there's a need. I don't think there's a need

30:23

anymore to that extent. You can get you get there's

30:25

so many licenses that being dished out

30:27

to

30:27

our equivalent of

30:28

years ago that there's

30:30

much healthier, much better.

30:32

Yeah. and it is odd looking back on the radio industry that it

30:34

was such a closed shot for so long. It's

30:36

just weird, isn't it? Oh, it's take oh, there are

30:39

really women never mind, people of color on British radio

30:41

were there. I mean, there was not I mean, I

30:43

absolutely take Trevor's point that he didn't

30:45

hear himself off on the radio --

30:47

Yeah.

30:47

-- because you you wouldn't. The only black DJ

30:49

that I knew of that was a soul.

30:51

DJ was Gregor Woods on

30:53

Cap So Yeah. And invariably,

30:56

everybody who played Black Music was AYDJ

30:59

And I suppose to consciously in

31:01

my head. I didn't think of

31:03

it as a racist thing at all. I just felt

31:05

that it's not me. You know, it's not it's

31:07

not a job I would ever do. I used to listen radio

31:09

dealers and what's a job. I'd

31:10

love to do that. But like I'd watch an

31:13

international football player and say, what a

31:15

job? I'd love to it was just sat at

31:17

distant, don't be silly. you know, just

31:18

happen really organically for me. And I'm I'm

31:21

I've had the best time -- Mhmm. -- the best

31:23

job in the world, honestly. Wouldn't it

31:24

be interesting to put, let's say, all

31:27

of the hits from

31:30

nineteen seventy eight that were

31:32

played on the radio one playlist

31:34

through some kind of a focus group

31:36

now. to see whether or not human

31:38

ears would choose those as

31:40

the top hits of their time

31:43

because it's such a good point you make about the power of that

31:45

playlist. Yeah. I think it delivered some

31:47

absolute howlers to the

31:49

world and presumably disguise

31:52

lots of some music as well. Yeah.

31:54

No. I

31:54

this is a great point because I think

31:56

about it a lot a lot. I've chart watched

31:58

a lot. We all watched top of the pops,

32:00

all of us. religiously

32:02

on a Thursday everybody did.

32:04

So you all we all identify and that's

32:06

what's helping me on radio two actually because

32:09

I know all

32:09

the songs that were played back then on radio

32:12

one that were in my, you know, for my

32:14

genre. So I know when I

32:15

wanna tweak the audience and

32:18

excited about something. I remember that. I

32:20

know exactly what song to play. I've

32:22

put it on and I and I'd say to my picture, so

32:24

I bet you we get loads of text coming

32:26

in. and we work. We will. I remember going to

32:27

Wallies to buy this and but then if

32:29

I'd play another song which is even better from

32:31

the same artist that wasn't playlist to the radio

32:33

one, it's like no one knows it.

32:35

Mhmm. And that was the power of a

32:37

I mean, radio one had this thing where they

32:40

would put always have novelty

32:42

records on the playlist. for

32:44

some reason. They'd always have

32:46

a a silly, dare I say,

32:48

John Lothinking type

32:49

record. Yeah. your pirate radio days, I

32:51

mean, I I get that there are a lot of the presenters

32:53

that would be DJs had fantastic enthusiasm

32:56

for the music. But any of

32:58

them just really crap DJs and

33:00

and and how did you break it

33:02

to them? because you you you

33:05

mentioned a load of names that went

33:06

on to but not everyone's going to. I'll Yeah.

33:08

No. No. No. They were. Yeah. Some of them were I

33:11

mean, we didn't I I'm honest with you

33:13

that our station wasn't

33:16

based on

33:16

how good a presenter you are. The the whole

33:18

idea was we were anti establishment. So

33:21

nobody wanted to sound.

33:24

slick and professional. If

33:25

you heard my shows back then, I sounded

33:27

the most disinterested person in the world. I was so

33:29

passionate about my music, but think so

33:31

I'll be like, yeah. I'm doing a gig

33:34

down at the yeah.

33:36

That was funny from that

33:38

year. Yeah. Just trying to

33:40

sound so -- Right. -- not even

33:42

cool. No. Just sounded like

33:44

not anything that wasn't on

33:47

legal radio, I did not wanna sound. We had a couple

33:49

of dealers who were quite slick, and we used

33:51

to take

33:51

the Mickey out of them all the time. But

33:53

you think you on. You know what I mean? But we had some also

33:55

had some BJ's that it just had great record

33:58

collections. Couldn't speak. Couldn't put a sentence

33:59

together. No. Shouldn't been allowed anywhere

34:02

near a microphone. but we

34:04

knew that their record collections really

34:06

deep. The listeners didn't, but he

34:08

didn't. And that's all that matters. That was a

34:10

criteria to get on.

34:12

It's like, you got tubes. I remember meeting Jazzy B for the first

34:14

time. I mean, I've said this

34:16

to him so many times. I was driving a an

34:18

orange mini. He was in a Honda Prelude.

34:22

Alright? That dates it

34:23

slightly, but I'm sure -- Yeah. -- gone.

34:25

We got double booked.

34:26

And I remember walking over it.

34:28

He said, you said, come at coming

34:31

came up and asked his car, and he was just a sound system. He

34:33

hadn't made a record during the night. And I

34:35

remember saying,

34:36

he said, I said, who are you? He went, I'm jazzy,

34:38

be sold to salt. And

34:40

I went, oh, you guys did a big warehouse pie recently.

34:42

I heard you made loads of money, like, you

34:44

know, nice, nice, wink, wink. And the

34:46

the first line he said to

34:50

me was your Trevor

34:51

Matt Hatter aren't you? And I said, yeah. And he said, and this

34:53

is the line that lives with me forever. He said,

34:55

I heard you got tubes. and

34:57

that was it. Wow. That was it. Friendship

35:00

for life. We're still friends. And I

35:02

and that that meant that is all over

35:04

care about my

35:05

musical reputation because,

35:08

like, in

35:08

Hacking where I grew up, you are either

35:10

the best dancer, the best dressed all the

35:12

girls loved you. You knew or you knew everybody or you

35:15

had the best car or you

35:17

had tunes. And all I have with

35:19

tunes. Well, can I just

35:20

speak that, actually, Trevor. I think

35:22

you've got quite a few things on that list.

35:24

Oh my god. Oh my god.

35:27

Why don't I tell you what?

35:28

No. I'm not trying to be saucy here. You

35:30

and I did a panel at some radio

35:33

industry gig years ago. I can't even remember what

35:35

it was, Trevor, but I remember sitting in the

35:37

green room with you. And somebody said, I'm going to

35:39

introduce you as, you know, Trevor Nelson, they

35:41

were going to talk about some of

35:43

your jobs and stuff they wanted

35:45

to introduce you as super smooth. I remember you after we've done

35:47

the panel saying, I'm so sick of that.

35:49

I'm just always this, you know, just super

35:52

smooth guy.

35:54

You know, just the kind of the bloke you

35:56

can wear the polo neck. I think you were wearing a polo neck on that.

35:58

I've seen

35:59

him sporting magnificently

36:02

sporting a polo neck on a number of occasions. He does wear

36:04

it very well. Yes. Yep. But I suppose the

36:06

point I'm trying to make is that new

36:09

if people want you to be the to

36:11

be all of those things in that list actually,

36:13

don't they? because that's what goes with super

36:15

cool music. You want some of

36:16

that stuff to be Oh, know. but it is

36:18

a bit it is yeah. III can remember probably

36:21

have that conversation, honestly. And I

36:23

I think it's mainly to do

36:25

the first of music. that you

36:27

play is very women like the music that and be a lot and

36:29

soulful music that You may do. Don't get

36:31

me wrong, but women really do who love

36:34

it love

36:36

it. then your voice goes with it. You know, you can't

36:38

sort of be screaming and shouting. Hey, I've got a

36:40

latest sort of movie. You know, you're you're a

36:42

bit cooler with it. And then all of a sudden,

36:45

and you've got a bald head. Then all of a sudden, we like

36:47

rest in the subway, and then you you become

36:49

the king shape. You are. You just enjoy

36:52

forever. Yeah. And then you fight

36:54

against it. because they say, oh,

36:56

they'll say, we've got

36:57

big of a go. Not so bad. They don't know. They got

37:00

jengaro products that and we've got

37:02

super smooth. Trevor Nelson. Well,

37:03

that was exactly it. That was it. Yeah. So that used to

37:05

pee me off. It's hard. I mean, the

37:07

alternative would

37:08

be to say here is Trevor

37:10

Nelson. is as rough as a

37:13

badger's backside. But he's got the

37:15

tube, but he's got the tube. He's

37:16

got the tube. That that will

37:18

know that. You really know that. You're right. I'll take it. I'll take it. So when you're sitting

37:20

there at ten o'clock on radio

37:22

two -- Yeah. -- it's a long way from

37:24

Layton Stone, isn't it? from

37:27

that little aerial on the top. Can you believe you're there?

37:29

because to me, that is the the absolute heart

37:31

of the radio establishment.

37:34

Radio

37:35

two. I've become

37:37

exactly what I didn't like,

37:38

what I didn't really like.

37:40

It sounds weird.

37:42

Because remember

37:42

I'm saying we did part radio

37:44

because

37:46

the BBC had this grip on our music playlist and

37:48

and what got we bought and what we heard

37:50

and we you know, if it wasn't on top

37:53

of pocket already won. A lot of people would never hear music,

37:55

you know, back in the day. You know,

37:57

my attitude is I wanted to

37:59

be

37:59

with the audience that I always

38:02

wanted to find when I was younger. You know, I wanted to play

38:04

music to, you know, I never had the

38:06

chance to because I was

38:08

so niche and

38:10

I am having the best

38:12

time of my whole career

38:14

now on radio

38:15

two. I absolutely loved

38:18

it. I keep my

38:20

specialism still tucked away a bit and I go sort

38:22

of middling. I'm a middling

38:24

man, you know. I'm a like I'm like

38:26

little class middle in man, middle in DJ, in terms of I

38:28

don't overdo it, but I I

38:30

get a perverse kick out of

38:32

playing tunes that should have been played

38:34

on radio one. and word

38:36

playlist on radio one to an audience

38:38

that I think a a little bit like

38:40

me in in in many

38:42

ways. So that's a victory.

38:44

Isn't it? That is a Yeah.

38:46

Oh, I'm I'm I'm I'm ecstatic. I'm loving my life on radio

38:48

too. I I deliberately only

38:52

really want to do nighttime radio because it's one

38:54

place that suits my music.

38:56

Well, I mean, everyone tell, why don't you try and do

38:58

daytime and there is this

39:00

fascination with

39:02

the way the media see us that every DJ wants to

39:04

be a daytime or breakfast show DJ. I

39:07

I don't. I

39:08

genuinely don't. And even my

39:10

bosses don't

39:12

make that I always say I don't. If you cover for somebody, I

39:14

cover for Ken Bruce a couple of times. I know.

39:16

I can't believe it

39:16

because that's a that's a tough That's

39:19

a tough gig, isn't it? I had

39:20

no idea how tough a gig it was. You

39:23

said, I didn't. Yeah. Right. So I'm coming

39:25

for Ken Bruce. And I didn't you

39:27

see, if I knew the normative

39:29

Kim Bruce's show, I probably would have said

39:31

no. So I'm like, okay. Let's

39:33

go. How do we do this? Right.

39:35

Being dong dong, being pressed a post

39:37

that. Yeah. Popmaster, pop

39:40

up. Dumb up there. And

39:42

immediately, I

39:43

put Twitter on I'm trending. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

39:44

I can well believe it. But it's a cock up world

39:47

master. Oh, thank you. Yeah. There

39:49

you go. I didn't realize. to

39:51

the first day, I messed it up a

39:53

little bit. A little bit. Trevor's

39:56

trending. Hello. Like, no matter

39:58

what you've done around on the show, what how

40:00

your links have gone, whatever music you've

40:02

played, you

40:02

are defined by whether you screw

40:04

up what master or not. The

40:06

listener sometimes think you're trying to their job. Yeah.

40:09

If someone goes on holiday, you come in

40:11

and you're you're the debt. So you're

40:13

kind

40:13

of damned

40:14

if I do, damned if I

40:16

do. you want to be missed the

40:18

personality onto someone else's show, you're trying to steal this law

40:20

or impress the boss. If you come

40:23

be a safe pair of hands. He's a bit dull. He's a

40:25

bit boring. You can't win. And

40:28

then they think you barely want to do

40:30

daytime because you're sitting in for somebody. They

40:32

don't think you're doing the boss of failure because

40:34

the boss needs someone. And so I

40:36

don't wanna be seen as someone who's doesn't

40:38

know where he wants to be, and I'm

40:40

happy me where I am. Yeah. I could probably double my earnings

40:42

by doing dates on, but I'm not interested.

40:44

I genuinely am about to music.

40:47

but

40:47

but Trevor. We always try and inject a

40:49

little controversy into the podcast. So not

40:52

always with any success and often it's cut out

40:54

anyway, but cannot

40:56

go on forever. So you

40:58

say all

40:59

this, and I just put it to you that

41:01

in it might come back to haunt you when

41:03

it's announced that Trevor Nell's

41:04

since taking over Popeyes.

41:06

That's right. Those those issues. I don't

41:08

wanna get clothes to billing. I mean, Steve

41:11

Wright is going, and Scott Mills has taken

41:13

up from Steve. Right? And based on and you, you

41:15

know, people don't like change. You're gonna get a

41:17

lot of people. This happened with Zoe and

41:19

and and and and Chris opens. This is

41:21

a difficult thing. And no matter what DJs say, we're all

41:24

sensitive. No one wants to

41:26

read

41:26

that they're

41:28

useless. or you're boring or you your laugh doesn't wanna

41:30

head in. Or, you know, the the way listeners

41:32

are is so they're

41:34

so cruel. Right? You know, III

41:37

wanna stress free existence ladies. I'm

41:40

happy with myalgreens, my

41:42

drapes, and me be

41:44

on phase. Oh, it's a lovely show. It's a lovely show,

41:46

Trevor. So so sorry to

41:47

interrupt, but so many radio presenters now,

41:49

particularly on on commercial radio,

41:52

they've just got the plate. I mean, it it's completely silver,

41:54

no pun intended existence, isn't

41:56

it? Preprogrammed pact. Yeah. But

41:58

we have

41:59

so many more

41:59

stations than

42:02

we had. for. And people now are not

42:04

just regular

42:04

DJs. It's part of

42:06

what they do. It's just I I do radio.

42:08

I do TV. I act

42:11

a bit. I I'm a I'm a influencer. I'm a I do the

42:13

LED TV. I do it's just another string to their

42:16

bow. It's my only string.

42:18

You know you know what I

42:19

mean? No. Trevor asked

42:22

to. So Yeah. But you guys can relate us why you'll become

42:24

a legend because you guys have

42:26

done what you've done and you're known

42:28

for

42:28

what you're good at. Nowadays,

42:31

you can't knock the hustle. That's the hustle that that younger people

42:33

are on. It's just another stream to you, but there

42:35

are people out in clubs DJ

42:38

in they've never degenerated in

42:40

their life, but they're doing DJ sets.

42:42

You

42:42

know, I'm going to to

42:44

venue you and I'm playing my heart.

42:46

Last week, I did I played for four and a half

42:48

hours. to four hundred people. How many

42:49

how many tunes is that in Florida? I I

42:51

have no idea, but I just went

42:53

with the flow. I just

42:55

kept going. I just kept going. Four and a half

42:57

hours maybe about let's see after. You might

43:00

get forty? Okay. five an

43:02

hour, maybe thirty five

43:04

an hour. times four. Oh, that's okay. That's incredible. Yeah. A

43:06

hundred and fifty maybe,

43:08

roughly cheaper. And when we do

43:10

a

43:10

set like that, an

43:12

event like that. How quickly can you sense

43:14

the atmosphere?

43:15

Well, that's that's the

43:16

bus. That's the whole idea.

43:20

I

43:20

love trying to get people on the floor, trying to keep

43:22

them on the floor, trying to affect

43:24

them emotionally. So then I've got, oh,

43:26

that's what you do, you know, that's

43:29

That's the joy of I'm a sound system boy, you

43:31

know, like, that's how we DJED back

43:34

then. What would you

43:35

play as your opener tonight? Do

43:37

you

43:37

know already? Oh, I'm

43:39

doing the playlist as we speak. You've been to

43:41

trouble. alias. I haven't actually got a note

43:43

now. I I will you know what I'm gonna

43:45

do? Can you dedicate a song to us, please? No.

43:48

You're gonna choose You're gonna

43:50

choose you're gonna choose at least.

43:52

You're gonna choose a tune each.

43:54

Am I showing tonight? And I

43:56

guarantee you, I promise you, I'll put it in

43:58

a playlist. I'll find the plates depend on the tune. Now you've

44:00

listened to the show, so you know the sort of

44:02

music. Have to come up with a tune.

44:04

Not at

44:05

night's on Broadway. Alright.

44:07

Thank you very much, Clayton. Can you

44:09

state?

44:09

Yes, please. Yeah. So can

44:12

can you tell me which work? I'd quite

44:14

like love Safri, I got -- Oh. -- but I know that's a huge one. It's

44:16

about seven minutes long, so we can't fit that

44:18

in. Could I have a date of New Yorker by

44:20

Odyssey, please?

44:22

Oh.

44:22

Okay. can I both If you are

44:24

my listeners, you're definitely my best.

44:26

Yeah. You're

44:27

listening. This will be the most

44:30

exciting thing tonight. I

44:31

think New York. Yeah. Right. Okay.

44:33

Okay. So p and j. p and j. It

44:35

can be my magnificent seven tonight.

44:37

You're right. Thanks. Both song. So I'm

44:39

gonna ask you a middle aged

44:41

question before we end, which is about your hearing. I just wonder how

44:43

seriously? No. No.

44:46

It's not personal, but I just wonder when

44:49

you you really worry about

44:50

your hearing because I think mine's going a

44:52

bit a bit dodgy. I've got to be honest. I do think

44:55

and I think I've had a professional lifetime of

44:57

wearing headphones, but I'm not Club

45:00

DJ. I

45:00

can you we can talk about my hair and my

45:02

eyesight. Why don't we do both? Of course,

45:04

if you like. The eyesight has just

45:06

gone dramatically badly bad recently.

45:08

Right. But the the herring, my

45:12

my missus, I come in and I watch she's

45:15

watching TV. I you watching? She goes, what can't

45:17

you see? I said, but it's the

45:19

volume's

45:19

off. She goes, no, it's not. I said,

45:22

there is there is no I can't hear

45:24

a thing Why and I we

45:26

asked

45:26

this argument, why don't you watch the TV

45:28

so low? I've got a great sound system.

45:30

Just turn it up. I can

45:32

hear it. Gonna then tell me what they said,

45:34

we have this silly argument. She tells me what they just said. And I'm

45:36

saying, oh my goodness. Clearly going there. Right.

45:39

But most of my male friends say the same thing,

45:41

I think, it's a male woman thing.

45:44

Actually, it. Well,

45:44

we won't we won't ask any more probing questions about whether

45:46

the rest of you is still in good working order,

45:48

Trevor, but we'll we'll assume it. Yes.

45:50

Yes. Right. Right.

45:51

Very much very

45:54

much hope

45:54

That's the end of the medical section. That's end of

45:56

the medical section. And

45:59

have we

45:59

done already?

46:02

already. It's so really it's so lovely to

46:03

talk to you, Trevor Nelson. We're really thrilled

46:06

that you came on our little Yeah. It's

46:08

a proper She's a proper edge.

46:10

Yeah. She really is a proper edge.

46:12

Yes. Yeah. I

46:12

I know. You guys have yeah.

46:14

Can I just say something about podcast? I

46:17

don't listen to podcast. No. You said that already.

46:19

Yeah. No. No. No. No. Yeah. But

46:21

I'm not knocking you. I don't

46:23

know why. I haven't during the

46:24

party. Right? Because at night,

46:27

I'm gonna confess I do the worst thing

46:29

to go to sleep. I get to

46:31

sleep about four o'clock

46:33

at night every night. I can't come down

46:36

from doing a show and just go to bed. I

46:38

can't do it. So I come in and

46:40

watch documentary I watch all sorts of things

46:42

at once. It's the podcast. That will get

46:44

you go. That will get you off. This is the

46:46

podcast. And I I go in bed with a

46:48

little iPad, and I watch boring

46:50

documentary known to man in a

46:52

fourth week in ten minutes. So I'm

46:54

gonna say to you, if I start listening to

46:56

your podcast fast might go to sleep. You'll be asleep within

46:58

seconds, Trevor. Funny enough,

46:59

we were saying only about half

47:01

an hour ago on

47:04

the podcast before you joined us, that lots of people do listen

47:06

to us as a sleep age, and it's

47:08

one of those very weird compliments where people

47:10

will come up to me and Jacob,

47:14

I have I love. Fortunately, I go to sleep every night. Never hear the

47:16

end. Never hear very much. I don't know what you're

47:18

talking about. But And we we

47:20

go great thinking that's a

47:22

bit weird. say

47:24

join the club. Yeah. I get the same thing with

47:25

my radio show, so it doesn't being subject.

47:28

It's great. Okay. Yeah. It's a

47:29

it's a bad out of

47:31

compliment business. Yeah. Absolutely

47:34

wonderful show, but you're so

47:35

boring. I know. No. It's audio

47:38

reassurance. I think

47:38

it's very important. It's great talking to

47:40

you too. those SilverSneakers. Take

47:42

care. And listen, you'll be back in your poll. I mean,

47:44

with the with the temperatures the way they are, Trevor, won't

47:46

be long before you're back on the scene with your

47:48

Polo neck. that

47:49

can't wait. Yeah. You know

47:51

what? He can he can really wear a

47:53

polo in it because they can. A lot of

47:55

men look absolutely dark third.

47:57

They did not Trevor. Not Trevor. I

47:59

love

47:59

it. I love it.

48:02

Brilliant. Take care. Bye bye.

48:04

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