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You're listening to Fox Sports

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Radio.

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You know.

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I just good morning, too, fine

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gentlemen and everybody listening here. I just realized

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something about myself that I'm

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not fond of.

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Here.

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Oh wow, self awareness on a

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Saturday.

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It's early in the morning to be like really

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really self analyzing.

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So Isaaclohenpron just did his update.

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Yeah, and there's a three way tie atop

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the leader board at the Masters, And

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so I was doing a little I guess,

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in round betting, in

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game betting. Yeah, but I went

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in round betting and I went with

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Scotty Scheffler to be the leader at

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the end of the second round. And

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right before, as I'm hearing Ilo say

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there's a three way tie atop the leader board, I

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thought to myself, Yeah, that bum, Scottie

0:51

Scheffler, who bogied,

0:54

you know, on the second nine to give

0:56

up the one stroke lead. So there's a three

0:58

way tie, and you bay lose

1:00

a little bit with the the way the tiebreaker

1:03

money goes. And so the point is

1:05

I'm thinking to myself, Yeah, that bum, And I'm

1:07

like, you know what, this

1:10

is my scorpio background

1:12

shining through and through we hold

1:15

grudges and I'm curious. Do you guys

1:18

hold betting grudges, because that's not

1:20

a good thing. You gotta dance with

1:22

the devil at times. Sometimes the team lets

1:24

you down, you get back on him again. Sometimes

1:26

the player lets you down. Same thing. Do

1:28

you guys hold betting grudges the way I do?

1:31

Yeah, yeah, I absolutely

1:33

do, And I'll tell you the way I do it

1:35

is probably opposite of the way a lot of people

1:37

do. So maybe it's

1:40

the whole glutton for punishment thing because

1:43

I played a sport like football, where you're

1:46

literally slamming your head into people

1:48

for a living, and I don't

1:50

know, as a kid, I loved it. I was people

1:53

are like, why would you want to play offensive line? I'm

1:55

like, they let me hit people on every

1:57

single play.

1:59

So so when I have.

2:00

Like so example, if I had

2:04

I don't know, Tiger Woods,

2:07

you know, under seventy three

2:09

and a half round two in terms

2:12

of strokes, Well,

2:15

if it loses, I'm going right back

2:17

to it tomorrow.

2:18

I'll prove them, you

2:21

know what I mean.

2:21

There's a little bit of that of me, you know, and it doesn't

2:23

you know, golf is probably a bad example. It's

2:26

probably more in you

2:28

know, whatever props throughout,

2:31

especially recently the college basketball

2:33

tournament. Things like that, like no, no, I got a

2:35

real feel for for

2:38

clinging rebounds with you come. Yeah,

2:40

whatever it is, it's just you

2:43

get stuck a little bit and you just keep going

2:45

back to the well and.

2:46

Well I'll show them.

2:48

Yeah. Yeah, I'm a little bit like that too.

2:50

Yeah.

2:51

I think stubbornness is not the right way to win

2:53

in gambling. I think you have

2:55

to have what was it, my friend?

2:57

I wish you.

2:58

If Jason Sidecus is listening, I'm

3:00

about to use your my favorite

3:02

quote from your show, Ted Lasso, be

3:04

a goldfish.

3:06

You have to be a goldfish when

3:08

you're gambling.

3:09

If you're worried about what happened yesterday,

3:11

you're letting now.

3:12

Don't get me wrong, it's not easy to

3:15

do.

3:15

You've got to be like a Jedi ninja

3:18

with like playing mind tricks on yourself

3:21

to like eliminate what you

3:23

just saw. But recency

3:25

bias, I mean, it's just recncy bias, Like it's

3:27

really all it is. It's just our bodies, our

3:29

brains are baked for recency bias.

3:31

Because and I'm a Scorpio, one

3:33

of my my rising sign I'm a big

3:35

into astrology, Brian. My rising sign is a scorpio

3:38

as well, So I get the vindictive

3:40

nature that you feel.

3:41

I understand it.

3:43

I relate to it, and

3:46

you just have to figure out a way to compartmentalize

3:48

it or else you're I always tell this, this is the best

3:50

piece of advice I.

3:51

Ever got from one of from a professional

3:53

gambler.

3:53

You said, if you let your next

3:56

your last bet affect your next

3:58

bet, you're already losing.

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Yeah.

4:00

Yeah, no, it's right. And that's the thing is,

4:03

I'll just feel that like, ah,

4:06

he let me down. But the same is true,

4:08

and you're right, Jared, it's recency bias

4:10

because it can work the other way too, where

4:13

you win a bet because of a team or a

4:15

player and you're like, you know what, I'm

4:17

feeling good about him today also, and

4:19

you must maybe you shouldn't. You shouldn't.

4:22

It's you gotta be like a cornerback.

4:24

I like that, be like a goldfish. You gotta be like an

4:27

NFL cornerback. Short memory.

4:29

If you get torched, right, you can't

4:31

let that affect your confidence. So yeah,

4:34

no, good stuff. So how about this show?

4:36

Heyo Tani cleared by the Feds.

4:39

Holy cow saw this coming, right,

4:41

Like, So we get the word

4:44

from the FEDS that they believe

4:46

the former interpreter that

4:48

is uh Misuhara, right, our

4:50

guy, Ipe miss Ujara. He

4:53

stole more than sixteen

4:55

million dollars over a two

4:57

year period from show Heyotan

5:00

to pay off his gambling debts to

5:02

an illegal sports book. And

5:05

so this is all on epay. The

5:07

FEDS are saying Otani good to go.

5:09

We went through his phone, We went through his records.

5:12

Not a text, not an email, not

5:15

a phone call, nothing discussing

5:17

gambling. They're saying he got

5:19

taken for a ride. And this is mss Yuhara,

5:21

who is charged with bank fraud,

5:24

who is facing a maximum

5:27

sentence of thirty years in the clink.

5:30

Wow, it's like okay,

5:32

So all I know is that Major League Baseball

5:35

is like, okay, we're good here, right, Yeah,

5:37

that sounds great to us. Otani's

5:39

fine, We're good. Onward

5:42

and upward. What do you guys make

5:44

of this? Because to me, Clifton

5:47

notes version, nothing makes

5:49

sense, nothing passes the smell

5:52

test. But if the FEDS are saying

5:54

Otani's cleared, there's

5:56

so many skeptics out there like, yeah, okay,

5:59

all right, at least have

6:01

to like have the door cracked,

6:03

entertain the idea that they're right and

6:06

he was taken for a ride, even

6:08

though it's gonna be very hard for a lot of people to buy.

6:10

Yeah.

6:11

My my knee jerk reaction is

6:15

I'm a little bit of a skeptic. Less

6:17

so less so the older I get, because

6:20

I think as you age, as

6:23

you know, in my case, I've retired from a career

6:25

and I've moved on to another, and I've had

6:27

kids, and you know, life hits

6:30

you in waves as you meet new people and

6:32

you lose some important people in your life.

6:35

There's a little bit of magic to life, right

6:37

You never you never really know what

6:39

you're gonna get. It's a lot like that

6:41

that line from Forrest Gump.

6:43

You know, life is like a box of chocolates.

6:46

So it's possible that

6:49

we have a superstar baseball

6:52

player, like the most famous

6:54

baseball player on the planet, the highest

6:56

paid player to ever play

6:58

the game, the new Babe Ruth,

7:01

like truly a once

7:03

in a century player

7:06

who's also that could have baseball, but also

7:08

one of the most naive human beings

7:10

you've ever heard of, Like you know, this

7:13

is the hay seed that

7:15

falls off of the the onion

7:17

truck.

7:18

On his way to the Big City.

7:19

He goes, my goodness, New York

7:21

City and somebody tries to sell him the Brooklyn

7:24

Bridge and he goes, well, brook

7:26

that bridge is off the big and

7:28

where does it go from and where does it connect

7:31

to? And it's just like, well, I'll buy

7:33

it. You know, it's it seems like, how

7:35

the hell is this possible?

7:37

Yeah? But is it?

7:40

Is it possible?

7:41

Yeah?

7:42

Yeah, it is.

7:43

It's possible that that he got

7:45

played. And it goes back

7:47

to something my grandfather used to

7:49

tell me. You know, you can fool everybody

7:52

some of the time. You can put fool

7:54

some of the people all the time, but you can't

7:56

fool everybody all the time.

7:59

And this guy, it the Mitsuhara

8:01

if if that's if that's what

8:04

he was, he was a con man. Well

8:06

he fooled everybody for some of the time

8:09

and he finally got caught and

8:11

sho Hee Otani, unfortunately is

8:13

that naive superstar

8:16

who got taken for a ride. And I guess

8:18

I'm willing to believe it, but there's a boy

8:20

there is still a part of me that's like, is

8:22

this the whole story?

8:23

Though it's definitely not the whole

8:25

story. I think there's absolutely more

8:27

to the story. But when

8:30

the Feds say that, like

8:33

the part that and credit bo Benz and our producer

8:35

kind of planted this seat in my head and I asked a couple

8:38

people and they kind of confirmed it. The thing

8:40

that really makes

8:42

me believe what we're hearing is

8:45

why would the FEDS be protecting a

8:47

Japanese citizen who committed a felody?

8:50

Like that's the part that I can't get you right.

8:52

So if we're saying, and I've heard the conspiracy

8:54

theory, oh Otani was the one betting guys

8:58

nineteen thousand way were

9:00

placed, this guy was a degenerate

9:02

gambler. And I've seen it. I've seen

9:04

degenerate gamblers. I've lived

9:06

it, I've witnessed it. They

9:09

will do anything to

9:11

feed the addiction. Anything

9:13

they don't care, they will do it. So

9:17

we have clearly established that this man

9:19

is a degenerate gambler.

9:20

Bet MGM has accounts from him on

9:22

shore.

9:23

Accounts he's placed on shore, wagers

9:25

he's placed offshore, He's placed bets

9:27

everywhere with Bookky's everywhere. So

9:30

we've established and this guy's a degenerate

9:32

gambler and he's going to do anything to get his fix.

9:35

So now, if the conspiracy

9:37

is true, that means Otani's

9:39

the one betting, which means nineteen thousand

9:41

wagers were placed, and there's

9:44

not one paper trail, not

9:46

one text. They had Japanese

9:48

interpreters go through Otani's and

9:50

Misarhawa's text message exchanges,

9:53

ninety seven hundred pages

9:55

of texts, nineteen thousand

9:58

bets, and Otani didn't slip

10:00

up once and text this guy what

10:02

he wanted to.

10:03

Bet like, that's the part.

10:05

So again we are getting to a point now where

10:07

if the conspiracy is true, then

10:10

not one slip up was made over nineteen

10:12

thousand bets and ninety seven under pages of

10:14

text messages. And oh, by the way,

10:17

the Dodgers are now colluding with

10:19

the.

10:19

FED, the US federal government

10:22

to.

10:22

Protect a Japanese citizen

10:25

from a felony obstruction of justice.

10:28

That is a hard, hard

10:30

stretch for me to believe that conspiracy

10:33

theory. Okham's raiser is

10:35

the simplest answer usually is the correct one. The

10:37

simplest answer here, this

10:39

guy Mizaharr was degenerate, and he would do

10:41

anything, anything, anything, anything

10:44

to feed the addiction.

10:45

And he did and eventually he got caught.

10:47

Well yeah, I mean that

10:49

could be the reality that the thing

10:51

that this is almost

10:54

like tennis in your mind, you know what I mean,

10:56

where it's like one side dude and the other the

10:58

old Kenny mad thing.

10:59

Dude, dude, dude.

11:00

Right, Like, on one hand,

11:03

I have a hard time believing

11:05

Otani just didn't know anything.

11:08

He just he never checked his

11:10

bank account for two years. I

11:12

guess it's possible, but that it's

11:14

just hard to believe he's just totally

11:17

in the dark, Like, oh news to be sixteen

11:19

million dollars, nineteen thousand

11:21

bets and this I never knew anything.

11:24

It's hard to believe that. But if

11:27

you if you think about the other side

11:30

of this. I'm trying to say this, just

11:32

because everything doesn't make sense

11:34

doesn't mean something

11:36

is radically wrong. You're right, like

11:39

the FEDS have the wrong conclusion.

11:41

Just because not everything adds

11:43

up. It also doesn't add up to me that

11:46

the book maker, when this

11:48

was starting to go down, right, they're

11:50

on the epay, something's

11:52

going wrong here. He communicated

11:55

with the book maker and the book maker

11:57

was like, obviously it didn't steal from

11:59

him him, and Ebe was like, actually

12:02

I kind of didn't. Yeah, But the point is

12:04

the book maker was like, obviously

12:06

you didn't steal from him. So

12:08

my question is, how did this guy

12:11

ibe miss Ujara, get

12:14

get credited, right, get cleared

12:16

to bet the amounts that he was

12:19

betting when he doesn't have the bank

12:21

roll to pay it off.

12:23

Right.

12:23

If the book maker's like, you didn't steal from that guy,

12:25

my question is how was he cleared to begin

12:28

with to be like, yeah, go ahead and bet one hundred and

12:30

sixty thousand dollars a pop if

12:32

you feel like it. If like,

12:35

what was the conversation, Hey, I'm

12:37

just stealing from Otani. It's all good, I'll pay you right,

12:39

That probably wasn't the conversation.

12:42

That part doesn't make sense. But my

12:45

conclusion is just because not everything makes

12:47

sense doesn't mean we're

12:49

in full conspiracy theory mode and

12:52

their findings are completely off base. It

12:54

doesn't have to make perfect sense for

12:57

their conclusions to actually be accurate.

12:59

Well, ignorance is bliss.

13:01

It's i you know, And for Otani,

13:05

you know, maybe he's the type of guy who says,

13:07

I'm gonna keep my life as simple as possible. I'm

13:09

gonna trust very few people. I'm

13:12

only gonna rely on the people that I absolutely

13:14

need to rely on, which includes his

13:16

now wife, his interpreter,

13:20

maybe some of the coaches who he can communicate

13:22

with, whether it be in his foreign language

13:25

or in English what English he

13:27

knows, and so

13:30

he has a tight circle. And then

13:32

on top of that, he says, and I'm gonna only

13:34

gonna worry about one thing at a time,

13:37

and right now that's baseball.

13:39

Maybe he's got, you know, his

13:42

money invested super

13:44

conservatively, and he's

13:46

making enough an endorsement so that he doesn't

13:48

have to worry about, you know, a relatively

13:51

low salary considering how famous

13:53

he was, because he's making money off

13:56

of brand relationships and things

13:58

like that. Because if you go and you look just

14:00

his career earnings, it's pretty

14:02

hard to believe that he wouldn't notice sixteen

14:05

million dollars missing, because

14:07

granted it's still a lot of money, but

14:09

over the course of his career to date or

14:12

prior to signing the contract with the Dodgers,

14:15

he's earned like forty four million dollars. So

14:19

in this country, that sounds like a

14:21

lot of money, and it is. But after

14:23

taxes are taken away and Uncle Sam

14:25

takes a hefty chunk, we're talking

14:28

about something hovering in the range of

14:30

twenty twenty one million dollars

14:33

net. So that means he didn't

14:35

notice most of his money

14:37

that he's earned over the course of his entire

14:39

Major League Baseball playing career gone,

14:42

you know. And again I'm only talking about his earnings

14:45

in the MLB. I'm not talking about what he's earned

14:47

in Japan. Yeah, as a pro prior

14:49

to coming over to the United States. But

14:52

but then you got to throw in all the layers

14:54

of complexity, you know, if he's really

14:56

fiercely trusting Ibe Mitsuhara

14:59

to be his conduit to everything.

15:02

Like in the the article

15:04

I read yesterday, it was talking

15:06

about how Ipe Mitsuhara.

15:08

Opened up all of his bank accounts. Yep,

15:11

he was.

15:11

He was who show

15:14

Hey went to to make

15:16

transfers and to take money out

15:18

and to communicate with the bank, and sometimes

15:21

Ipe Mitzuhara. In fact, I would say most of

15:23

the time the interpreter would speak to

15:25

the bank on his own volition, and

15:27

he would pretend that Shohy

15:30

was with him, and he was interpreting his

15:32

wishes to the bank

15:35

tellers over the phone. I mean again,

15:38

it goes back to what I was saying before. You can fool

15:40

everybody, but you can only fool

15:42

everybody for some of the time. And

15:45

if we're going to be led to believe that

15:47

this is true, well it

15:50

means that this con man and

15:52

this degenerate gambler, as you put it, Jared,

15:55

he was able to fool everybody for

15:57

at very least the six years

16:00

that.

16:00

He was working with Showy.

16:01

Oh, Tommy, Yeah, let me clear up some things,

16:04

Brian.

16:04

I think you mentioned it. How can someone go

16:06

on credit? I think if the credit is established.

16:08

Now, this is how bookies work, especially this bookie

16:11

who's a big time bookie. If

16:13

you establish a relationship

16:16

with a bookie, you can

16:18

roll on credit for a pretty long time. And you

16:20

could pay him here and pay him a little bit there, and I'm

16:22

gonna pay off And I'm sure it was an ongoing

16:25

conversation.

16:26

Hey, you owe me this, all right, I'll give you a little bit here,

16:28

all right. I can't give you this.

16:29

And I'm sure just like he conned show Hey,

16:31

he conned this bookie out of not

16:34

paying him when he.

16:35

Was supposed to pay him.

16:36

The credit situation with these local

16:38

bookies can be a little bit weird, and he might have thought

16:40

it was show hey bettet because again the confusion

16:43

with the text messages.

16:44

I think this book he might have thought show he was the one involved

16:46

in some of the action.

16:47

Again, this is speculation, but that's

16:49

just how someone with no money

16:52

can rack up this much debt in gambling. It's

16:54

not like he's going to the ATM, dropping it on

16:56

the table and then buying chips.

16:57

From the casino.

16:58

It is a credit system that

17:00

much aside the bank account that the money

17:03

came from. Again, this is reporting from front office Sports.

17:05

Really good job. They did a good job detailing

17:07

this.

17:08

The bank account that the money got transferred

17:11

to the bookie from was his angel's

17:13

salary account that Mizuhara

17:16

set up and on multiple occasions

17:18

had conversations with the bank and of course

17:20

duping the bank into thinking that Misahara

17:23

was Otani or vice versa. He was translating

17:25

either way, It's

17:27

not that hard of a stretch to think that this guy

17:29

had access to everything. He was literally

17:32

Otani's link between him and

17:35

the public, so everything that came

17:37

from the public sphere.

17:39

You get a bank statement, you get anything, anything

17:41

in the public world. This guy

17:44

was connected to Otani so closely.

17:47

It's really not that hard of a stretch for me

17:49

to think that he had access to literally

17:53

everything, and that is dangerous because

17:55

of just how low of a person he was

17:57

willing to.

17:58

Con his way through.

18:00

Basically, So, I honestly think

18:02

a lot of the details that a lot of people

18:04

are skeptical about, if you understand

18:07

the way the gambling sphere kind of

18:09

operates with credit and bookies and transferring

18:12

money that is not quite upfront

18:14

money it's later on, I think

18:16

a lot of it does make sense.

18:18

Guys. Honestly, it really does kind

18:20

of close the door for.

18:22

Me on this and I'm ready to move on and hopefully

18:24

Showy has a fantastic Geary Homeward last night, which

18:26

was great to see after all this. But I do

18:29

think this story does make sense as

18:31

long as you're able to kind of remove that

18:34

skepticism.

18:35

All right.

18:35

That's Jared Smith FSR betting analyst

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Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports

20:09

Radio. So earlier

20:13

this week, OJ Simpson passed

20:15

away at seventy six years old. He

20:18

was undergoing cancer treatment. Family

20:20

announced this on Wednesday,

20:24

and hook man,

20:28

I don't even know most of this stuff. I don't even know

20:30

how to put into words right, just the amount

20:32

of the fame, Like there

20:35

are a lot of people that are younger that don't

20:37

really grasp how famous.

20:39

This dude was.

20:41

And then for him to be accused and

20:43

in my opinion, guilty of what

20:45

he was accused about in the double murder was

20:48

freaking shocking. I

20:50

did a fill in show for Ben Maller a couple

20:52

of nights ago, and Eddie Garcia had a really

20:55

interesting comparison where it's like he's

20:57

trying to think of a modern day figure

21:01

that was comparable to the fame

21:04

of OJ and nothing more, nothing

21:06

less, And he came up with Shack,

21:09

which I thought was pretty interesting. Where you

21:11

know, a famous athlete, you

21:14

know, highly successful, won

21:17

championships, right like very

21:20

well known, and then after his basketball

21:22

career in movies, in music,

21:26

right in the public eye doing inside

21:28

the End NBA on TNT,

21:30

and like if that guy was

21:32

accused of what OJ was accused

21:35

of, and then had the slow police

21:37

chase that ninety five million people

21:40

watched it of Ford Bronco, you know what I mean,

21:42

Like it was just blow your mind

21:44

type stuff. That is the first

21:47

part of it. The rise and fall of

21:49

OJ Simpson. Now that he's passed

21:52

away at seventy six years old, Yeah.

21:54

I think that's a pretty decent comparison,

21:57

But I mean his cultural

22:00

relevance

22:03

dwarfs that of Shacks because

22:06

of all of the different

22:08

things that the second half of his life

22:11

welcomed into the conversation, and

22:14

albeit in infamy because

22:17

he was you know, obviously

22:19

found acquitted of the

22:22

charges of murder against his ex

22:24

wife and Ron Goldman, but

22:26

then lost the civil suit and

22:29

then spent jail time in the Vegas

22:32

you know, planned or conspired

22:34

robbery. You know, it's like there

22:37

were so many things. But

22:40

I mean, Oj, for a time, Okay,

22:43

not even for a time. OJ was one of the

22:46

best football players to ever walk

22:48

planet Earth. So in the

22:50

late sixties in college, he

22:53

was one of the most dominant running backs we've

22:55

ever seen, called football Hall of Famer, and

22:57

then when he went to the pros, he was

23:00

one of the most dominant running backs

23:02

we've ever seen. He had a two

23:04

thousand rushing yard in seventy

23:06

three, which won.

23:07

Of the MVP.

23:09

He's a Pro Football Hall of Famer.

23:12

He's an incredible

23:14

football player, and then played for a very

23:16

very long time in the league before seamlessly

23:19

transitioning into a broadcast career, seamlessly

23:22

transitioning from there into a movie

23:24

career where he was a budding superstar.

23:28

I mean he was going to be

23:30

the terminator.

23:31

He turned down the

23:34

terminator before Arnold Schwarzenegger

23:37

was offered it. Okay, that's

23:39

how big of a superstar that

23:42

OJ Simpson was. He had the sort

23:44

of clout that James

23:46

Cameron came to him first before

23:49

he was like let me find Arnold. Then

23:52

of course the trial, the

23:55

low speed chase, the White Bronco,

23:58

all of the things that follow Oh that I

24:01

mean, it was one of the most

24:03

controversial moments in American

24:06

modern society when that verdict

24:08

came down from Judge Edo. This

24:11

man may be arguably

24:14

the most the

24:16

most culturally relevant human

24:19

being to have ever lived from birth

24:21

to death. If you asked

24:23

anybody in this country for

24:26

about a fifty year span, who's

24:28

oj Simpson, they knew who you were talking

24:30

about.

24:32

Yeah, this is so bittersweet

24:34

feelings, like I'm not the Lord and Savior,

24:37

Like it's not my job to judge people as they

24:39

as they die. Obviously,

24:42

I do think he's guilty of that crime back,

24:44

you know, the double murder. I think most

24:46

average people, you know, with brains

24:48

do.

24:50

The later on life

24:53

stuff.

24:53

Was interesting because he's kind

24:56

of like, he's kind of a Vegas guy, Like that's

24:58

kind of how he ended his life. I

25:00

have a friend who works at one of the country clubs

25:03

here in town. She actually served

25:05

him multiple occasions, and

25:08

you know, he plays golf every day, he goes to the local

25:10

bars. He's a big obviously

25:13

football fan, and Bill's fan and

25:15

supporter. Still he goes there's a lot of Buffalo

25:17

support here in town. Naked City Pizza,

25:20

and there's some other local buffalo bars. He

25:23

used to go to the buffalo bars and like

25:25

watch the games. Like he was spotted in

25:27

like local dive bars. He's

25:29

hanging out at this hotel. He's playing

25:31

at you know.

25:32

Red Rock Country Club, which is a public golf

25:35

course.

25:36

So it's kind of like he ended

25:39

his life I think in a quiet, peaceful

25:41

way, and I don't want to get

25:43

into the stuff that happened before.

25:45

I agree.

25:45

The ninety four the

25:48

Bronco Chase. I remember the documentary

25:51

because it was in the time that the Knicks

25:53

and the Rockets were in the NBA Finals,

25:56

and I remember them telling the story about people were

25:58

literally in the mezzanine

26:00

of the garden not even watching the

26:03

Knicks in the NBA Finals.

26:05

Wow, to watch the TVs of the

26:07

chase like that is how impacted. Like the

26:10

Knicks in the finals. It was like fifty years,

26:12

it was the seventies, whenever it was, it was

26:14

a long time. So the Knicks were in the finals and

26:17

people were like, Nah, that's good, I'm not gonna

26:19

watch the Knicks, Va Sachem and director,

26:21

I'm gonna go watch I'm gonna go watch you

26:23

know oj in a in a car chase.

26:26

Like that's how impactful it was culturally to

26:28

put that in perspective. But again the

26:30

later stuff like he he was

26:32

kind of a friend to a lot of people here in town. So it's

26:35

a weird story and we wish his family

26:37

the best, of course, but bittersweet

26:40

feelings, I would say, is the word I would use.

26:42

Well, it's a good uh message

26:45

at the end there, Jared, where I think a lot of times,

26:48

uh, we forget about the family. Yeah,

26:50

right, Like we just completely forget about them.

26:53

And it's it becomes complex

26:55

real fast because it's like I

26:57

can almost hear the like

27:00

the retorts, you

27:03

know I can. It's like, oh,

27:05

so we're talking about Ojay's family, what about

27:07

the Goldman family?

27:08

Sure?

27:08

You know what about And it becomes like that

27:11

and it's like, Okay, you can't say

27:13

everything at once, you know what I mean. And

27:15

that's where it becomes really tricky

27:18

to navigate through. There's another layer here, a lack

27:20

of acknowledgment. We're gonna get to. I've

27:22

got another layer on the oj thing that we'll

27:26

push back because I know us, being

27:28

the gas bags we are, we're just gonna blabber

27:30

and blabber. The clock

27:33

is going to be destroyed.

27:33

So cooking up a parlay, you guys, just do your thing.

27:37

Let me throw this at you. The attendees

27:40

at the twenty twenty four NFL Draft, only thirteen.

27:43

Only thirteen player is going to be there

27:45

live in person to get the bear hug from

27:48

Roger Goodell will probably have what

27:50

seems to be the top three picks,

27:52

at least the top three quarterbacks. While I'll be there

27:54

Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels,

27:57

Drake May I'll be there in

27:59

the flesh. But just down

28:01

to thirteen. It was seventeen attendees

28:03

last year in Kansas City. It's

28:06

the lowest marks in twenty twenty one, and that was

28:08

right after the pandemic when there were thirteen

28:10

players that year as well. I say this, man,

28:13

you've earned this day. You want to be there in person,

28:15

Great, you want to be there with your family

28:17

at the house party.

28:18

Great.

28:19

You want to be fishing with your dad

28:21

like Joe Thomas like a while

28:23

ago. Great, You've earned this. Whatever

28:25

you want to do, knock yourself out is the way

28:27

I see it.

28:28

Yeah, yeah, No, you're one hundred percent right.

28:30

And I'll take it a step further and say, go

28:33

get you the bag before you get the bag.

28:35

So a lot of these players they

28:38

don't need the NFL to help them market themselves.

28:40

They're famous on their way out of college.

28:43

They've made a lot of money in nil deals.

28:45

They know how to market themselves already. They

28:47

probably have a marketing manager who has

28:49

been handling name, image and likeness

28:52

deals for years now, and so

28:54

as a result of that, they get to control

28:57

their own image. If they're broadcasting

28:59

from home in their own environment,

29:01

they also get to put up different

29:04

brands.

29:05

Uh.

29:06

I'm you know, I'm sure they're gonna be wearing T shirts

29:08

and hats and maybe drinking certain beverages.

29:11

And if the NFL wants to videotape

29:14

them in their in their

29:16

living room, they're gonna have to let them have,

29:19

you know, their energy drink of choice

29:21

sitting on the coffee table or

29:23

their baseball cap of choice sitting

29:25

on their head. Every time, every time

29:27

we're looking at Drake may or Kayleb

29:29

Williams or whoever it is that's not gonna be attending

29:32

the draft.

29:33

All right, now we go live to Nashville.

29:35

Tennessee, where you know, player

29:38

X is sitting there having a sip

29:40

of a Bang Energy drink or whatever.

29:43

You know what I mean.

29:43

So it's gonna be it's gonna be that these

29:46

guys are going to cash in on

29:49

some of their brand deals. Whereas

29:51

the NFL this is just

29:53

a marketing tool, and we've all been convinced

29:56

that it's a super important moment for the

29:58

NFL. We're in actuality,

30:00

it's not like, yes, it's

30:02

important for the upcoming season, and yes,

30:05

there's a lot of interest in Hey, is my

30:07

team gonna select that quarterback I was hoping

30:09

that they were going to take. Is my team going

30:11

to trade up and get the receiver that

30:13

we're hoping that this team trades up and gets.

30:16

Yeah, I mean those things are important, But in actuality,

30:18

none of these players are doing anything

30:21

on draft Day. They've already finished their

30:23

college football career. They're months away

30:25

from playing a single snap in the

30:27

NFL that actually matters. So

30:29

this is just a marketing tool for the league. So

30:32

if the league wants higher attendance at the

30:34

draft wherever they're going to have it, they

30:36

better start paying the players.

30:38

Who they want to attend at

30:41

the draft.

30:42

Yeah, I think this is a

30:44

night where these kids just should be able to do whatever

30:47

they want, Like if they want to go to the draft,

30:49

that they want to sit front row and you know, shake

30:51

Goodell's hand and like let them read the card

30:53

for crying out loud. Like I didn't get

30:56

these kids as much as much positive

30:59

reinforcement as possible, because

31:01

let's be honest, the second they

31:03

walk across the stage and give Gidella

31:05

hug and then walk to the other side and

31:08

start doing all the media, that's

31:10

where the job begins. The job

31:13

starts draft night. Like

31:15

I remember my last night in college

31:18

before I graduated. It was

31:21

I don't even really remember it, frankly, so I

31:23

don't know why. I just like to you, I don't remember

31:25

it because it was the last night before

31:27

I left the world and started an internship

31:29

down in Atlantic City at one of the radioffiliates

31:31

down there and started my life.

31:32

So that was it.

31:34

Like, give these kids whatever they want, whatever they

31:36

want to do, full full rain, and if they

31:38

want to do it at home with Joe Thomas and go fishing,

31:41

I think that's totally fine.

31:43

I wonder what he caught that day. Now they think

31:45

about it. Yeah, get a breakdown of he

31:47

caught seven crappie. You know, some

31:50

blue gill here there. I thought, Yeah,

31:53

that's a sunfisher.

31:54

Gotta love that.

31:55

It's freaking sunfish out of nowhere. All right, We've

31:57

got rich oron Berger Penn State, all American jer

32:00

It's Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian

32:02

No coming up next the parlay platter.

32:04

You might say, Man, college hoops is done.

32:07

No NBA today at all.

32:09

Nothing Masters that's

32:11

going on. Maybe a little UFL

32:14

to spruce, but I'd be interested.

32:17

We'll find out some handicaps from you.

32:19

Yeah. Hey, I'm

32:21

not deep in that game just yet, but all right, you

32:23

know you'll get there. We'll get there with Jared

32:26

Smith in the parlay platter. Coming up

32:28

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32:52

right, let's do this, check

32:55

this out late. Okay,

32:59

Jared, you are in full Masters

33:01

mode here with the parlay.

33:03

I'm curious how you're gonna lay this one out.

33:05

Yeah.

33:06

Well again, golf is a bit

33:08

of a different betting experience.

33:10

I like your approach betting it live.

33:13

I would have been probably betting Scheffler if

33:15

I was near my computer yesterday and not, you

33:18

know, at one of the local watering holes

33:20

enjoying the Masters. I probably would

33:22

have been at my computer hammering Scottie Scheffler

33:24

live multiple times throughout the day as it was becoming

33:27

more and more obvious that he was gonna be the leader

33:29

heading into the weekend. But

33:31

I think the matchups is where I do

33:33

find value. I think the outrights

33:36

are just dark throws. I

33:38

think the finishing position bets right,

33:40

top five, top ten, top twenty, those can be a struggle

33:42

to although I love betting in at bet MGM because

33:44

they pay out ties in full.

33:47

Not all sportsbooks do that.

33:48

But I think the individual round

33:50

matchups are fascinating to me. So we've got two

33:53

of them today, We're gonna pop them both into parlay and

33:55

we'll keep you on.

33:56

Your merry way.

33:57

The first one, Shane Lowry against I'm not even

33:59

out of say this guy's name, Akshay Batia.

34:03

Shane Lowry, in my opinion, is like the most

34:06

undervalue golfer every week. This

34:08

guy has no weaknesses in his game, and

34:10

he's very overlooked. Maybe it's the fact

34:13

that he's a little porky, maybe it's the fact that

34:15

he's international. I don't know, but this guy's

34:17

price is always undervalued. He's minus won twenty

34:19

today to.

34:20

Be Akshay Batilla in a

34:22

matchup.

34:23

It starts in about, oh about two hours,

34:25

so you got two hours to get this bed in, so it'll

34:27

put Shane Lowry minus went twenty in first leg.

34:29

Of the parlay, second leg of the parlay. You

34:31

guys might not like this.

34:33

My inner child hates this, but we've

34:35

got to go where the money thinks

34:37

we need to go. We're gonna fade Tiger Woods today

34:39

in a matchup against Terrell Hatton.

34:41

And I don't love Terrell Hatton.

34:43

The dude is like a volatile you

34:45

know, water spickett waiting to explode on

34:47

the golf course. But Tiger

34:49

Woods had to play twenty three holes

34:52

yesterday in really tough conditions.

34:53

He survived, his body made it through.

34:56

He's playing the weekend.

34:58

This is where I think the age and

35:00

the physical limitations

35:02

he has starts to take its toll now

35:05

that we're getting into the thirty six holes

35:07

and beyond with his body.

35:09

So as much as I want to hope

35:11

that he's gonna compete and he's gonna be around this

35:13

weekend, I we're gonna see Sunday red Tiger. I

35:16

think this is gonna be a tough round for him. Conditions

35:18

are better, but I think Terrell Hatton is

35:21

going to pull off the win in their individual

35:23

round matchup. Terrell hatt and Shane Lowry both

35:25

to win their matchups at bet MGM. The

35:27

parlay is plus two twenty four. Not our

35:29

juiciest but again Saturday morning,

35:32

no NBA. Let's just kind of coast

35:34

through the weekend here, right, Yeah, yeah, I.

35:36

Like this this weekend.

35:37

I've never really placed any

35:40

bets on golf before. Okay, but

35:43

but I but I just started with the Masters

35:45

and it's fun. You know, got a couple

35:47

of wagers. It's a It's not

35:49

as heavy of a sweat as

35:52

it is when you're placing player

35:54

props in an NBA or a college basketball

35:57

game, you're just kind.

35:57

Of cruising through you I

36:00

mean your game, Yeah, exactly.

36:02

Yeah, you kind of check the It's almost like you

36:04

check the scores when you remember to, you

36:07

know, as opposed to sitting down and watching

36:09

a game or you know some of those uh no,

36:12

what we call him the no runs first Oh

36:14

yeah, first pitch, you're like

36:17

high, like just sweating out

36:19

your.

36:19

Pores the first pitch.

36:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah, all one, I'm like, oh, we're losing.

36:23

That's over.

36:25

Yeah. Yeah.

36:25

I like I like that.

36:26

I like those those choices. I like the explanation.

36:29

Also, I do like that.

36:31

Listen, some recreational betters,

36:34

they they want to bet for

36:36

who they're rooting for, yes, and that's

36:39

why I'm getting yeah, but

36:41

I like it, Like that's why a lot of people bet

36:43

overs, Yeah, regardless of the sport.

36:45

Is like I want to root for runs or points

36:48

or I don't want to root for a lack

36:50

of that, But that might be the better side,

36:53

that might be the better angle. And I get that you don't

36:55

want to root against tiger woods. But if

36:57

you see value. And he played twenty three holes

36:59

and he's got an older

37:01

body. Now, yeah, there's there's value

37:04

in fading Tiger, even though you don't want to root

37:06

for that.

37:06

Here's the under strategy, guys, here's

37:08

why people like to bet unders that are really sharp.

37:11

You're ahead when the game starts. Yeah,

37:14

yeah, you're not behind when you're betting and over

37:16

you're behind. The second the game starts, you're already

37:18

behind. You need to make up ground the under

37:21

you're ahead.

37:22

Yeah, No, it makes all the sense in

37:24

the world. Hey, coming up next, this

37:27

is a great achievement, but

37:29

it wouldn't be viewed the same way without

37:31

major success. Oh, we got the third

37:34

round of the Masters coming up today

37:37

and shout out to Tiger

37:40

Woods made his twenty fourth consecutive

37:43

cut at the Masters. That

37:45

is the most ever. And

37:48

I just got to think we're

37:50

in such an all or nothing. We

37:54

have this all or nothing mentality in sports,

37:57

and I don't know, for whatever reason,

37:59

I thought, how would this be viewed

38:01

if Tiger Woods didn't have fifteen majors

38:05

on his resume?

38:06

You know what I mean?

38:06

If Tiger Woods, let's say he's got one

38:09

or two majors. Yeah, and

38:11

he just made his twenty fourth consecutive

38:13

cut at the Masters, it

38:15

would be viewed at much more negatively,

38:19

where it's like, Okay, it's great, but where

38:21

are the major wins man? This guy keeps

38:24

coming up short when it really matters. He's

38:26

good the first two days, but not the last

38:28

two days, right, Like, it's

38:31

just interesting, how if you have

38:34

major success. No pun intended, right

38:36

with Tiger having fifteen majors,

38:39

so for him to make twenty four consecutive

38:41

cuts, it's like, Wow, that's amazing.

38:44

It would be viewed totally differently

38:47

if he had two majors, and

38:49

that's weird to me. I get it, But

38:52

I think sometimes the all or nothing mentality

38:55

it can get us away from the truth. It

38:58

gets us to like the way we we

39:00

view the Atlanta Braves where they're

39:02

making it, they're winning the division, they're winning

39:04

all these games in the nineties, and it's like, yeah,

39:06

you won one World Series. And I'm not saying

39:08

that's completely wrong, but I

39:10

think there are times where

39:13

it gets us away from the truth. I'll throw one other example

39:15

at you, John Calipari at

39:17

Kentucky. A lot of people

39:19

will look at it and say he failed it

39:22

was disappointing, so forth and so on, And

39:25

there's a leg to stand on if you think

39:27

that. But let's not reduce

39:30

what he did to nothing. To win

39:32

a championship, to get to four final

39:34

fours, that's something. It's

39:37

more than nothing. So this idea

39:39

of all or nothing, I

39:41

think there are a lot of times that

39:44

it gets us away from being accurate

39:46

about an athlete, a coach, a

39:49

team, what have you.

39:50

Yeah, but that's being

39:52

close to great isn't great?

39:55

You know what I mean?

39:56

Or close to being a champion? Isn't

39:58

a champion? You know, life gets

40:01

a little bit easier when we start talking

40:03

about champions because it's a

40:05

much shorter list. When we start talking about

40:07

you know, the number one on the list, and it's

40:10

a statistical category

40:12

and there's no arguing that point. Like who's

40:14

made the most three pointers ever in the NBA?

40:17

You know, who's the leading point scorer

40:20

in the NBA. Who's got the most passing

40:22

yards in the NFL, who's got the most

40:25

touchdown throws in the NFL?

40:27

Like you know what I mean?

40:28

Like, ultimately, I think I

40:30

think as human beings, we just work.

40:33

We just work better with facts,

40:35

like stationary facts Tiger

40:37

making twenty four cuts is very cool,

40:40

especially consecutively, especially at

40:42

that tournament.

40:43

It's amazing.

40:44

That's a really challenging place to play, and it

40:46

speaks to his longevity and

40:48

his reign over this sport. And we know

40:50

all it says about Tiger, but you're

40:53

absolutely right. If it weren't for all

40:55

of the major victories, especially the

40:57

victories at the Masters, it

40:59

would be less impressive to all of us,

41:01

and it kind of should be.

41:04

You know.

41:04

Look, you know, when somebody

41:07

kicks a ball towards a goal

41:10

in soccer, or somebody shoots

41:12

a three pointer, we

41:15

don't give them credit for almost

41:18

getting it in the goal or almost getting

41:20

in the hoop. We don't give a kicker credit for hitting

41:22

the upright. You gotta get that sucker

41:25

through.

41:25

We gotta get that, you know what I mean?

41:27

Like we need, we need completion

41:29

of the task and being a champion,

41:32

Like would Steph Curry be heralded as

41:34

one of the greatest of all time if

41:36

he wasn't a three time NBA champion.

41:39

No, we wouldn't.

41:40

He would just be a really amazing three

41:42

point shooter who never

41:45

was able to help shepherd.

41:46

His team to the Promised Land.

41:47

So it's it's look

41:50

wins and championships and accomplishments

41:53

and setting goals in achieving

41:56

goals. It's a part of the human condition

41:58

that we're all striving towards something.

42:00

And that's why sports are amazing because

42:03

you get to see that happen in

42:05

a realm that many of us hung

42:07

up.

42:08

You know, the the cleats or the

42:11

or the basketball shoes or.

42:13

You know, maybe not the golf clubs.

42:15

A lot of people do that for leisure, but you understand

42:17

what I'm saying, like, and we get to watch people

42:20

actually do those things for a living and

42:23

live those dreams. And essentially

42:25

what everybody wanted to do when they were a part

42:27

of a team or playing a sport is hoist

42:29

a trophy or be on the top of that platform

42:32

when the awards ceremony began.

42:35

Yeah, golf is probably one of my favorite sports

42:37

to watch because of the mental

42:40

grind that it is. Like, it's there's

42:42

very few sports that are individual Tennis,

42:45

boxing, sports like that, right,

42:48

mostly Olympic sports, and

42:51

the individual nature to golf

42:54

makes it the most unique, I think

42:57

of the American major

42:59

sports. Right, I think tennis has kind of lost its

43:01

luster a little bit. Boxing is completely

43:03

falling off the map. You throw UFC in there, big UFC

43:06

card today. I think the between

43:09

the ears element to golf makes

43:12

it the hardest. I always

43:14

say the hardest thing to do in sports

43:17

is to hit a baseball coming at you ninety miles

43:19

an hour, ninety five, one hundred with a

43:21

round bat, hitting a round ball.

43:24

I think the.

43:25

Second hardest thing to do in sports is hit

43:27

a golf ball long and straight consistently.

43:29

But because of the team.

43:32

Element to baseball, it's not all on

43:34

you, right, Like if Mike Trout strikes out,

43:36

even though that's a bad example, showey Atani strikes

43:38

out, there's you know, Freddy Freeman behind him. Whereas

43:41

in golf, if you strike out like that's it,

43:43

there's no one behind you.

43:44

You are going home. So I think that's

43:46

the part about Tiger that is the most impressive.

43:50

The physical stuff.

43:50

Listen, all of these guys can play,

43:53

they all can shoot, they all

43:55

can pot, they all can hit the ball three hundred

43:57

and fifty yards down, you know, down

44:00

a narrow fairway. The difference

44:03

that is what makes Tiger Woods greater

44:05

than the rest is how he approached the game. Mentally,

44:07

and I think that is why he will always

44:10

be in every tournament that he's

44:12

competing in. I just think physically,

44:15

over the course of seventy two holes is where

44:17

he really, you know, struggles now. So

44:20

I think the Masters is the only major that he ever could

44:22

win again. And listen, Jack wanted

44:24

it what forty six. I think there's a

44:26

chance that he wins another Masters. It's

44:29

a long shot, and obviously the odds reflect

44:31

that. But Tiger's mentality

44:33

is what makes him great, and that's what frankly

44:36

the only reason why he could still compete is because of that

44:38

mentality.

44:39

Well, I think this.

44:40

I think that when an

44:42

accomplishment isn't viewed

44:44

as such, that's

44:46

a problem and it's unfortunate when

44:49

that happens. So, for instance, let's take Tiger

44:51

Woods. He's made twenty four consecutive

44:53

cuts at the Masters. Everybody

44:56

would agree that's an accomplishment.

44:58

It's never been done before, no one's ever done

45:00

that, So that's an accomplishment.

45:02

If Tiger Woods has one or two majors, we're

45:04

not viewing it that way, and to me, that's

45:07

a shame. It's still an accomplishment,

45:09

but you have to have that major success for

45:12

it to be viewed that way. And

45:15

I get some of that, but sometimes

45:17

it's just unfortunate. I'll give you another example. Look

45:19

at Lebron James. So we always

45:21

compare to Michael Jordan. We're not gonna do a full

45:24

blown tail to the tape. I

45:26

could do that, but mj was six

45:28

and zero in the finals. Lebron

45:30

is four and six. Okay, Now

45:33

getting to the finals is an

45:35

accomplishment. I'm not saying that should

45:38

be the main focus of a conversation,

45:40

but when you go in your first

45:43

trip to the finals and you're dragging Booby

45:45

Gibson and big Z there and you

45:48

got smacked around against the Spurs, but

45:50

they've got Duncan Janobli Parker,

45:52

who's unfair.

45:53

It was a.

45:54

Mismatch, But we don't view

45:56

Lebron getting there as

45:58

an accomplishment. To me, that's

46:01

a shame. That's not the same as hitting

46:04

the upright or coming close

46:06

to hitting that three in it rims out. You

46:08

took a team to the finals

46:11

all the way through the Eastern Conference

46:13

when you didn't have a stacked roster at

46:16

all. I just don't like when

46:18

those accomplishments are completely

46:21

overlooked. And I'm not saying

46:23

we can't be unsatisfied and say,

46:25

well, you gotta close the deal, you gotta

46:28

win it all. I get that. But when

46:30

there are accomplishments that aren't

46:33

on the level of winning a championship

46:35

or winning a major or whatever, I

46:37

don't think the accomplishment that's a little

46:39

bit less than that should be completely

46:42

dismissed and we give it the Heisman pos

46:44

and it's all or nothing. Baby, I don't want to hear

46:46

about you coming close. Don't bother me with

46:48

this all I almost got it that. No, you better freaking

46:51

get it done or no credit whatsoever. I think

46:53

that mentality is wrong.

46:56

Yeah, I don't disagree. Look,

46:58

coming from that NFL well, playing

47:01

six years and being on playoff teams four

47:03

of them, I can speak to you about how

47:06

difficult it is to make it there. We

47:09

were back to back to back playoff teams

47:11

in New England from the year I was drafted into

47:13

the year I left. One of those years, we went all the way

47:15

to the Super Bowl. After that, I went

47:18

to the Arizona Cardinals and I had a five win

47:20

season, and man,

47:23

so you get to see what it's like when

47:25

you're at the highest level in football and you

47:27

get to see what it's like when you're at the lowest.

47:29

And then when I moved over to the Chargers

47:31

as a free agent, twenty

47:34

thirteen was a playoff season and twenty fourteen

47:36

wasn't. And there's a stark difference

47:39

between the way the locker

47:41

room feels the way the team feels,

47:44

you know, when you're on a winner, and when

47:46

you're on a loser, a team that at

47:48

some point in the season you realize, oh geez,

47:50

it's over for us.

47:52

It's awful, And the

47:55

reality is the sting.

47:58

It actually stings more when you get

48:00

closer to the championship than you fail,

48:03

when you're on the doorstep

48:06

of greatness and you stumble just

48:08

before you get the Super Bowl ring. Like

48:10

the season that I remember the most is a twenty

48:13

eleven season when we almost

48:16

beat the Giants in the Super Bowl.

48:18

It like it's it's awful, you know,

48:20

And I.

48:21

Think a lot of people can can

48:23

associate with that feeling of like almost

48:26

getting what they wanted and just falling a little

48:28

bit short. And that's the reason why we celebrate

48:31

champions because they're doing

48:34

there, they're setting a goal in there achieving the

48:36

goal, and that's what we all strive towards. So I understand

48:38

what you're saying, and I don't think it should be lost on

48:40

anybody how difficult it is to

48:42

even become a professional golfer,

48:45

or to consistently make cuts

48:47

on tour, not just that Masters,

48:49

but on tour, it means you're one of the best, say

48:52

two hundred golfers on.

48:54

The planet, and that's saying a lot. Or

48:56

to even play in the NFL at

48:59

any given.

48:59

Moment, you know you're one of the best two thousand

49:02

players on the planet, or in

49:04

the NBA or what have you. Or to

49:07

bring a team like Lebron James did, really

49:09

on his own volition, all the way to a final.

49:12

It's it's insane, it's

49:14

an incredible accomplishment. But

49:17

at the same token, like Tom Brady,

49:20

he was in the AFC Championship Game

49:22

every other year of his career.

49:25

He played twenty two years. I think

49:27

he went to when it was all said

49:29

and done, eleven conference championship

49:31

games. I would have to have one

49:34

of you check the math on that, but I think that's the number

49:36

over the.

49:37

Course of that career.

49:38

If he didn't win a single one of those

49:40

conference championship games. We

49:43

would ultimately look at Tom Brady like

49:45

there was something wrong, you know.

49:47

We would don't get me.

49:48

Wrong, like it's incredible getting

49:51

to a championship game

49:53

year after year after year. But ultimately

49:56

we would say, okay, but why did

49:58

he never get to a super Bow? You

50:00

know, why why didn't he ever get his team

50:02

over that hump to the super Bowl. It would

50:05

be confounding, it would be strange.

50:08

We would remember him very differently. Everybody

50:11

would talk about Tom Brady very differently.

50:13

Yeah, I like that Patriots example the best, Brian,

50:16

and I agree with you. I think we do.

50:18

Like, don't get me wrong, champions should be celebrated,

50:20

but there's a lot of other greatness that

50:22

is involved in sports that gets

50:25

brushed aside because it's like, well, they

50:27

didn't win, you know. And I

50:30

think us as like, you know, the armchair

50:33

quarterback sitting in our you know, on our couches

50:35

in our living rooms.

50:36

It's easy for us to just pooh pooh the

50:38

people who didn't win.

50:39

But just as much hard work and effort

50:41

blotzwoot and tears goes into that the Patriots

50:44

rich, the Patriots team and you weren't on this

50:46

team, right, You were on the one that lost to the Giants

50:49

a second time, not the first one. That was the undefeated

50:51

great team, Right, That wasn't the team you

50:54

were on, That Patriots team, the

50:56

seven team. I think it was That

50:59

Patriots team I think is the best example

51:02

of why greatness that doesn't

51:05

win a championship.

51:06

Really deserves to be celebrated.

51:08

That Patriots team was unfreaking

51:11

real and they ran into

51:15

you know, that's any given Sunday, right, Like,

51:17

they ran into the worst matchup possible,

51:20

and they played their worst.

51:21

Game of the season in their biggest game.

51:23

And so unfortunately they will be

51:26

pushed aside from the greatness

51:28

category because they weren't able to win

51:31

the super Bowl. But let's be honest, if a couple

51:33

of bounces go their way in that game and they're

51:35

able to win a very close game, they

51:38

are the greatest team of all time period.

51:40

End of story.

51:41

We're done with the discussion that Patriots

51:43

team's the best team that's ever played the NFL.

51:45

So and they're not. They're never

51:47

going to be because they didn't win the big game.

51:50

But that doesn't take away

51:52

the other what twenty one games

51:54

they played throughout the regular season in

51:56

playoffs.

51:56

Where they were unfreaking real.

51:58

I think it was twenty because there's right, there was a h

52:00

There wasn't an eighteen game seas or seventeen game season

52:02

back then. But you get the point, like they

52:05

were unbelievable for four and

52:07

a half months and then for three hours

52:09

they weren't, and now we're gonna pooh pooh

52:11

the last four and a half months, like it's it's

52:14

a hard pill to swallow.

52:15

That is the agony of defeat, and.

52:19

Right, it's

52:23

funny timing that agony of defeat was

52:26

the last.

52:29

Before.

52:32

You know, it depends how you look at that, rich That

52:34

could be perfect timing, that could be unfortunate

52:37

timing. You know, we'll get reconnected

52:39

with Jared Smith, but uh yes,

52:42

we get what he's saying though, no doubt

52:44

and in.

52:45

Reality, Brian, like I I

52:48

think, I think of my career,

52:51

you know, in a lot of ways, like, man, I'm super

52:53

proud of a lot of the accomplishments

52:56

along the way what I was able you

52:58

know, to achieve throughout my college

53:00

football playing career from an individual standpoint

53:03

and a team wide standpoint, But the

53:06

almost are the ones that hurt the most. Like, sure,

53:08

you know, we went to the Rose Bowl

53:11

on a one loss season and

53:13

we faced USC when I was at Penn

53:15

State, and that January

53:18

first game didn't work out for us, And boy

53:20

do I remember that a lot more than the wins

53:22

at the Outback Bawl and the Alamo Bowl.

53:25

You know what I mean, you totally get it.

53:27

Yeah, it's one of those things. Look

53:29

at the Super Bowl matchup real fast. Yeah, let's

53:32

say the Lions were the team

53:34

that beat the forty nine ers, made it to the Super

53:36

Bowl, lost to the Chiefs.

53:38

Right.

53:39

You know, all I'm saying is there's nothing wrong

53:41

with say, hey, you got to close the deal, it's

53:43

not good enough, so forth and so on. But let's

53:46

not overlook an accomplishment the

53:48

Lions getting to the NFC Championship

53:51

Game accomplishment. If the Lions were able

53:53

to get to the Super Bowl and albeit not win,

53:56

it still an accomplishment.

53:57

Yeah, certainly, And so I just.

53:59

Think it's unfortunate at times we reduce

54:01

it to you never accomplished anything.

54:04

I just think that part of it is wrong. Hey, we've got

54:06

rich Orenberger, Penn State All American Jared

54:09

Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian

54:11

No coming up next. Was

54:13

this just a publicity stunt? It's

54:16

Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports

54:18

Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday, right

54:20

here on Fox Sports Radio. So

54:23

Rich, your former teammate, some

54:26

guy the nickname the Goat, Tom

54:29

Brady. Huh, he was on

54:31

Deep Cut with Vic

54:34

Blens. So the concept

54:36

here is that a

54:39

well known person like Tom Brady is just

54:41

getting a haircut. Okay, he's getting

54:43

his haircut while they're just talking about

54:46

sports life, anything

54:48

that the host, Vic Blens

54:50

wants to throw at the famous person.

54:53

So Tom Brady goes on this YouTube

54:55

show and this is what caught

54:58

the most attention.

54:59

We get it.

55:00

You're one percent retired.

55:02

Yes, let's say one

55:04

day. It is a situation, right, Maybe it's

55:06

the forty nine ers. Maybe you know, headed to the playoffs.

55:08

Offense is great, Patriots, somebody,

55:11

somebody Raiders could be you never

55:13

know, Scott Forbu.

55:14

Somebody goes down.

55:15

Would you pick up that phone.

55:18

I'm not opposed to it. If they would, I don't

55:20

know if they're.

55:20

Gonna let me if I become an owner and an NFL team,

55:22

But I don't know if I

55:24

don't know.

55:24

I'm always going to be in a good shape, always be able to throw the

55:27

ball.

55:27

So to come in for a little bit like MJ

55:29

coming back, I don't

55:31

know if they let me, but I wouldn't be.

55:33

Opposed to it.

55:34

Okay. I saw a couple of layers

55:37

here, Rich, is it's

55:39

not happening.

55:40

Okay.

55:41

So Tom Brady is in line

55:44

to be a minority

55:46

owner. He's bought into the Raiders

55:48

organization, right, and so it's

55:51

pending approval. The NFL goes

55:53

through this extensive process to

55:56

say, okay, green light, you're approved

55:58

for ownership. So Tom

56:00

Brady would have to sell

56:02

off his equity. No player can

56:05

own equity in NFL

56:07

teams, and so once

56:09

he's approved, which will happen, he would

56:12

have to sell his equity to then

56:14

pick up a helmet for like the final six

56:16

games of the season or whatever. Like it's

56:19

it's a fun thought. It's just not happening.

56:21

It You could speak to this for sure, Rich,

56:23

Maybe this helps you in retirement where

56:25

you just you almost like dangle that

56:27

carrot in front of you, like, you know,

56:30

maybe maybe I'm still in

56:32

good shape, I can still sling it, you know, maybe that

56:34

helps you a little bit better instead of just facing

56:37

the reality of I'm probably

56:39

never going to play a game again. So

56:41

maybe that's what's going on here. But long

56:43

story short, we're not gonna see Tom

56:46

Brady on an NFL field in a uniform

56:48

playing ever again. It's not happening

56:51

unfortunately.

56:52

Well the only yeah,

56:55

but I'll throw at you is yeah,

56:58

but Tom Brady is

57:00

more important and valuable to this league

57:03

if he's playing, rather than broadcasting

57:05

with Fox or any other network, or

57:08

as an owner, I mean, you can

57:10

fight I'm owners, you know, I mean,

57:12

I guess they're not a dime a dozen. You need to have a

57:15

substantial amount of money, and you also need

57:17

to have the credibility that will allow

57:20

the other owners to vote you into their

57:23

you know, their wolf pack there.

57:24

But but there are other.

57:27

People who can own NFL teams who yeah,

57:30

that that's really that's not special

57:32

or important. It is, but it isn't

57:35

you understand what I'm saying. That's not really a public

57:37

facing role. And

57:39

as a broadcaster, I mean, who knows what

57:42

he's going to be as a broadcaster. He could be a great

57:44

broadcaster or he could be a very poor

57:47

broadcaster in terms of commentating. Look,

57:49

Drew Brees was an incredible,

57:52

a Hall of Fame talent as a quarterback.

57:55

I think that there are mixed reviews

57:57

so far on how it's gone in the booth.

57:59

And you know, even as a studio analyst,

58:02

you know, so who knows how that's

58:04

all gonna look when Tom Brady gets there. So

58:07

he is a more valuable asset to the NFL

58:09

if he's actually on a playing field, this minority

58:12

ownership that he's chasing down with

58:14

the Las Vegas Raiders, if he really

58:16

really wants the NFL to

58:18

approve him, he's got to stop dangling

58:21

that carrot. Yeah, Because if

58:23

I'm if I'm the NFL, if I'm Roger

58:25

Goodell and I'm talking to the other owners right

58:27

now, I'm saying, hey, hey, guys, we're

58:30

not going to prove Tom Brady to

58:32

be one of us and sit in this room

58:34

and essentially lord over the NFL and make

58:36

decisions alongside of us

58:39

until we know for sure that the most

58:41

important well,

58:44

I guess you should say the most important

58:46

aspect of his career from a marketing

58:48

standpoint for our league is officially.

58:50

Put to bed.

58:51

Because if there's any chance of

58:54

a Tom Brady return. We certainly

58:56

don't want that chance to be fumbled

58:59

because we allowed him to have

59:02

a minority ownership, and that's what blocked

59:04

him from going back to the field

59:06

and finishing the season. For I don't

59:09

know, a playoff bound forty nine Ers team

59:11

who lose their quarterback, or a playoff bound

59:13

Rams team who lost their quarterback, or

59:16

playoff bound Cowboys team who

59:18

lost their quarterback. Imagine that storyline.

59:21

It's December, and you

59:23

know, heaven forbid, Doc Prescott goes

59:25

down with an injury. But then all of

59:27

a sudden, it's Tom Brady's stepping into

59:30

Dallas and helping them into the playoff.

59:32

Holy cow, yes, how

59:35

funny would that be? Where right now?

59:37

The reality is we've got this extensive

59:40

process to approve

59:43

any minority owner, right, so

59:45

Tom Brady's having to wait months and months and

59:47

months. Let's say he's approved, and

59:50

then the scenario presents itself that you're talking

59:52

about where the Cowboys that

59:55

goes down. They give Brady a

59:57

phone call and Brady's like, I'm

59:59

in, and the NFL's

1:00:01

like, well, you got to sell your equity. All of a sudden, boom,

1:00:04

it's approved. Yeah,

1:00:06

this guy has a lot of money. Approved Tom Brady

1:00:08

get a helmet, get out there. Yeah. Yeah,

1:00:11

Well that's the thing though, is that's what's

1:00:13

attached to it. Also rich is

1:00:16

Caleb Williams, who's going to be the number one overall

1:00:18

pick of the Chicago Bears. His

1:00:20

dad, Carl was wondering

1:00:23

about this last year where it's like, hey,

1:00:25

could my son maybe own

1:00:28

equity in the NFL

1:00:30

team that drafts him? Is that possible?

1:00:33

Aaron Rodgers has wondered

1:00:35

out loud about the same thing. And

1:00:37

the NFL they put a rule in place

1:00:40

recently that was just like no, no, no,

1:00:42

let's nail that door shut, you know

1:00:44

what I mean. Let's lock it, let's bolt it.

1:00:46

Let's make sure that these players

1:00:48

don't get their hands on our cash.

1:00:51

And so if you bent the rules

1:00:54

and said, okay, our

1:00:56

rules are set up where no player

1:00:58

is allowed to own equity in

1:01:01

NFL teams, Tom Brady

1:01:03

does, but we're gonna look the other way

1:01:06

so he can come back out and fill in for

1:01:08

Brock Purdy who just got hurt, and

1:01:10

Brady's out there balling with the forty

1:01:12

nine ers. If you look the other way

1:01:15

on that, best believe there are

1:01:17

gonna be a lot of current players who

1:01:19

say, hey, why can't I have a stake

1:01:21

in a team as well? And the NFL clearly

1:01:24

does not want that to happen.

1:01:25

Yeah, yeah, no, they absolutely

1:01:28

do not, and they don't want to make exceptions.

1:01:30

And so I think Tom

1:01:32

Brady, honestly, if he is serious

1:01:34

about wanting to be an owner and

1:01:37

wanting to have a chunk of

1:01:39

a team, I think, at least

1:01:41

for the twenty twenty four

1:01:44

season, he just buried himself

1:01:46

like he's there's no way, if I'm

1:01:48

Roger Goodell, I'm going to allow

1:01:51

the NFL to approve him

1:01:53

owning a portion of any team if

1:01:55

there is even a shadow

1:01:57

of a doubt, even a chance an ink

1:02:00

the mere mention of the fact that

1:02:03

he's considering an NFL

1:02:05

return, because that is so

1:02:07

much more valuable to the league. So again,

1:02:10

like it seems like a one off thing, right,

1:02:12

you know, he's on this podcast,

1:02:15

he's hanging out, he's getting his hair cut.

1:02:18

It's just maybe he was a little flippant

1:02:20

with his words. But

1:02:22

if I'm if I'm Roger Goodell, I'm taking

1:02:24

those words very seriously. And if

1:02:27

I'm any of these other teams, by the

1:02:29

way, you know, because there there there

1:02:31

were reports and and there were

1:02:33

there was acknowledgment that teams have

1:02:36

reached out to retired quarterbacks,

1:02:38

including Tom Brady, when they have injury

1:02:40

situations. Hey, I mean, would you be interested

1:02:43

in playing for us? And some of

1:02:45

these quarterbacks have expressed

1:02:47

that Yeah, And I seriously considered

1:02:49

it, and like so we'll

1:02:52

see, we'll see what happens.

1:02:53

It would he wouldn't be he He referenced

1:02:55

Michael Jordan.

1:02:56

Michael Jordan has been a stalking horse

1:02:59

for Tom Brady for years. When

1:03:01

Julian Edelman recently spoke about this, another

1:03:04

one of my teammates, he said that

1:03:06

one time they were in LA training

1:03:09

and he said something about

1:03:11

Joe Montana and he and

1:03:14

you know, and Brady was like, I'm not chasing Joe

1:03:16

Montana.

1:03:17

Right, I'm chasing Jordan.

1:03:19

Yeah.

1:03:20

Like that's the way he thought of

1:03:22

this.

1:03:22

Like I want to be not just the best ever in my

1:03:24

sport, I want to be the greatest of all time in

1:03:27

all sports. I don't want there to be any question when

1:03:29

I'm finished. So like, like MJ

1:03:31

came back and he had some success. So

1:03:34

let's see, let's see what Brady does. I mean, maybe

1:03:36

there is an act too to this career after the retirement.

1:03:40

Can you imagine real fast if that

1:03:42

scenario plays out where

1:03:44

let's just say it's the forty nine ers they're

1:03:47

gearing up for the playoffs. Brock Purty

1:03:49

gets hurt. The Niners want

1:03:52

Tom Brady, and the league

1:03:54

is like, we'd love it too, but

1:03:57

we approved him for ownership and

1:03:59

he can't own equity in an

1:04:01

NFL team and play at the same time. So

1:04:04

sorry, it's gonna be Joshua Dobbs

1:04:07

instead, Okay, kidding,

1:04:09

right, yeah, Brady in said it. Dobbs.

1:04:12

Oh Brady, Brady was interested.

1:04:14

Yeah, but we can't.

1:04:16

Sorry, world, we're gonna

1:04:18

go with the pastronaut instead

1:04:21

instead of the goat.

1:04:24

Yeah, that could. We'll see how it plays out,

1:04:26

but that that is more realistic

1:04:28

than Brady playing again. Unfortunately,

1:04:30

that's where we're at. Coach John

1:04:32

Caliperi rich he is

1:04:34

relocated no longer the coach at Kentucky.

1:04:37

He will be taking over at Arkansas

1:04:39

as their head coach. How about this curveball.

1:04:42

Kentucky hires Mark

1:04:44

Pope, who, as

1:04:47

you're deep in the college basketball game, BYU's

1:04:50

head coach. He was a player won a championship

1:04:53

in ninety six at Kentucky, and

1:04:55

so he takes over as head

1:04:57

coach. And what's funny when you read the fine print here

1:04:59

in which never won an NCAA

1:05:02

tournament game as a coach.

1:05:05

Is what we're looking at here. I think

1:05:07

this is funny, man, where all these

1:05:10

UK fans and boosters, they can't

1:05:12

wait to just kick John Caliperry

1:05:15

out the door, get out of here,

1:05:17

good riddance. Anybody's better than him. I

1:05:20

think it would be hilarious. If

1:05:22

Kentucky sucks, they're

1:05:24

just even worse without Cal now

1:05:27

that they have a new coach, which is very

1:05:29

possible. By the way. Look,

1:05:32

I don't have any problem with someone saying, hey,

1:05:34

we want more these first round exits. It's

1:05:36

not good enough. I get that. But

1:05:39

again, to make a championship

1:05:41

in four final fours, which cal accomplished

1:05:43

at UK, to make that out to be nothing

1:05:46

is wrong, and to make it out to be like anybody

1:05:49

can do better anybody but Cal, Yeah,

1:05:51

good luck with that. Maybe this is Billy Gillespie

1:05:54

two point zero.

1:05:55

Yeah.

1:05:56

Yeah, Well, here's what I will

1:05:58

say about Party and

1:06:01

his time at.

1:06:04

A at a blue blood program.

1:06:07

One of the interesting stories

1:06:10

of his early career. There was

1:06:12

told to me by another Fox Sports radio

1:06:14

host who interviewed him, Steve

1:06:16

Hartman, and he goes, you know, we're

1:06:18

having this conversation when he first got the job,

1:06:21

and he knew what he was getting into immediately

1:06:25

when a fan came

1:06:27

up to him after I believe it was

1:06:29

his maybe it was his first season or his

1:06:31

second season. He took the team to

1:06:34

the Elite eight, and they

1:06:37

go this Kentucky fan goes, hey,

1:06:40

coach, I just want to let you know. I

1:06:43

want to introduce myself. Didn't want to interrupt you, but

1:06:45

I just want to let you know that even

1:06:48

though this season was a failure,

1:06:51

we're all still counting on you. Like,

1:06:55

like, think about how insane

1:06:58

that conversation is. If you're

1:07:00

a coach who just took a team deep

1:07:02

into the tournament, you're like, wait a second,

1:07:05

Like what did I just hear? But there

1:07:07

are certain programs when you

1:07:10

signed the contract, you know what

1:07:12

you're getting into. If you're a Lakers head coach,

1:07:14

you know every single season it's championship

1:07:17

or bust. If you're if you're coaching

1:07:20

that organization, that franchise, there's an expectation

1:07:23

you know, and anything that's

1:07:25

less than that is going to be considered somewhat

1:07:28

of a failure.

1:07:30

Kentucky is one of those programs. And I

1:07:33

agree with you.

1:07:34

The grass always seems greener on the other

1:07:36

side until you get there and all of a sudden you're like, oh,

1:07:38

yeah, you know what, we didn't realize we we

1:07:41

didn't realize this side of the the fence

1:07:43

had groundhogs. That's gonna be a problem. And geez,

1:07:45

you know they don't. We

1:07:47

don't really have the drainage on this side

1:07:49

of the fence, you know that until was over here. But we

1:07:52

got a soggy patrick grass over here. And oh

1:07:54

man, you know, is this lawn even level?

1:07:57

I keep I'm walking around and it looks level

1:07:59

when you look at it, but there's some potholes here, like you

1:08:01

know.

1:08:02

So so I agree with you,

1:08:04

be careful what you wish.

1:08:05

For, because oftentimes when

1:08:08

you open your eyes and it's sitting there in front

1:08:10

of you, you got a you got a whole bunch

1:08:12

of Mark Pope.

1:08:14

Yeah, good luck, I know it. It's uh.

1:08:16

And the names that were thrown out there

1:08:19

as potential candidates, Oh,

1:08:21

could we get Dan Hurley? The back

1:08:23

to back championship winning head

1:08:25

coach at Yukon. How about Billy

1:08:28

Donovan, he won back to back titles at

1:08:30

Florida, the current Chicago Bulls head

1:08:32

coach. How about Scott Drew he won

1:08:34

a title at Baylor. Right, And now

1:08:36

all of a sudden, you get Mark Pope. That's

1:08:39

like saying, hey, I'm gonna take you on a trip, and

1:08:42

you're thinking, okay, is it?

1:08:44

Are we going to Italy?

1:08:45

Yeah?

1:08:45

Yeah?

1:08:46

Yeah?

1:08:46

How about Maui? Who Yeah,

1:08:48

no, We're going to Des Moines.

1:08:50

That's the

1:08:54

biggest little city in the Midwest, talking.

1:08:58

Dan Hurley and yeah, and with Mark

1:09:01

freakin Pope, who hasn't won

1:09:03

an NCAA tournament game as a head

1:09:05

coach.

1:09:06

Well, here's the look.

1:09:08

He's a Kentucky grad, played

1:09:11

two seasons one national

1:09:13

championship. There, you know, there's a little

1:09:15

bit of recognition in terms of coming

1:09:18

back into the fold. Here's

1:09:20

the other thing basketball is changing.

1:09:23

I don't know how important

1:09:26

anymore who your coaches.

1:09:28

As long as he's an excellent recruiter

1:09:30

and as long as he has the donors and the

1:09:33

backers of the program behind him. Now

1:09:36

he's gonna have to be pretty strong willed, because I

1:09:38

imagine a lot of the money men and women

1:09:41

behind Kentucky basketball who are going

1:09:43

to try to influence his decisions in terms

1:09:45

of roster building and how he coaches this

1:09:47

team are going to be more involved with him

1:09:49

than they were involved with cal Parry. And

1:09:52

that's probably some of the reason why he

1:09:54

got shuffled off the deck and they brought

1:09:56

in somebody new. Maybe maybe they view

1:09:58

Mark Pope as more controlled. We'll see, but

1:10:02

that's a big part of this money is

1:10:04

going to lord over college basketball

1:10:06

in a way we've never seen before.

1:10:08

Okay, so I'll meet you halfway real fast.

1:10:11

Just because he hasn't had great success

1:10:13

as a coach doesn't mean he can't going

1:10:16

forward. That's true, absolutely right.

1:10:18

Just because he wasn't the first choice or a big

1:10:21

name does not mean he can't have big

1:10:23

success going forward. That's also true. But

1:10:26

the other side of the coin is a guy named

1:10:29

Juwan Howard who was

1:10:31

a member of the Fab Five at Michigan. All

1:10:33

of a sudden he's their head coach. Oh, good vibes,

1:10:35

this is gonna be great, And it started off well,

1:10:37

and then he's slapping guys in the handshake

1:10:40

line and getting booted out the

1:10:42

door because he can't win any game, you know,

1:10:44

so the former player thing,

1:10:47

eh, not destined for greatness either.

1:10:49

Here's what I would say on that. We got rich oron

1:10:51

Berger, Penn State, All American, Jared Smith

1:10:54

FSR betting analyst, I'm Brian No. Coming

1:10:57

up next, we got NFL Draft

1:10:59

odds, Galore. Let's

1:11:01

look at a couple of these odds and see if there's some value

1:11:03

we can pounce on. It is Fox Sports Radios,

1:11:06

Fox Sports Saturday, hang with us right

1:11:08

here. It is Fox Sports Saturday, right here

1:11:11

on Fox Sports Radio. So

1:11:13

some NFL draft odds are available

1:11:16

on bet MGM, and

1:11:18

it seems more and more at least the odds

1:11:21

are indicating looks like Jaden

1:11:23

Daniels, the LSU quarterback, might

1:11:27

be heading toward Washington. Over there,

1:11:29

rich might be a part of the Commanders

1:11:32

where right now, the team to

1:11:34

draft Jaden Daniels Washington

1:11:37

is the the odds on leader at minus

1:11:39

one sixty five. Next

1:11:42

in line is the Patriots at plus one

1:11:44

seventy five. So much different odds

1:11:47

on both of those teams. And this

1:11:49

has grown a little bit more and more with Daniels

1:11:52

probably going to Washington, which

1:11:55

hey man I think it's gonna happen. Whether it should

1:11:57

or shouldn't happen, whether it's the right move or not, time

1:12:00

will tell. But I think that is going

1:12:03

to be the case because a lot of teams, and

1:12:05

Washington might be one of them, they look

1:12:07

at it and they say, Hey, best case scenario

1:12:10

if we look at the ceiling and Jaden

1:12:13

Daniels is a dual threat guy

1:12:15

and he can get outside the pocket and

1:12:18

make a lot more things happen. I

1:12:21

think they might view it that way and go with Daniels

1:12:23

there. And I think also maybe a small little hint

1:12:25

if you look at Marcus Mariota, who they picked

1:12:27

up to be the backup quarterback stylistically

1:12:30

a lot more like Jaden Daniels, where

1:12:33

if Daniels went down, you wouldn't have to completely

1:12:35

change your offense. So that layer of it I

1:12:37

think makes sense also to point

1:12:39

to Daniels might be headed to DC.

1:12:41

Yeah, I agree, I won one hundred

1:12:44

percent agree. In fact, when Marcus Mariota

1:12:46

was signed, that was my first thought too. I

1:12:48

was like, oh, wow, they're going to get Daniels because

1:12:51

Mariota could talk to him or

1:12:54

walk him through the style of offense,

1:12:56

not obviously they're going to employ with Daniels

1:12:59

now at the NFL level. Here's

1:13:02

the thing, and this is true

1:13:05

for basically every franchise.

1:13:08

A mobile quarterback, a dual threat quarterback

1:13:11

is like vitamin C to an offense.

1:13:13

You know, it's considered a cure

1:13:16

all. It's not going to make every

1:13:18

aspect of the offense better. Obviously,

1:13:20

you need to work on your offensive line. Obviously,

1:13:22

you need weapons around the offense for your quarterback

1:13:24

to connect with.

1:13:25

A running game, etc. Etc.

1:13:28

But a dual threat quarterback can hide a

1:13:30

lot of the blemishes of a

1:13:32

struggling offense. And there's no question

1:13:35

Washington struggled last year and

1:13:38

over the past half decade

1:13:40

longer, they've been struggling. So

1:13:44

I think this would be a smart move. Now,

1:13:46

it's a smart move if everything works out. I

1:13:49

think the Indianapolis Colts had a similar

1:13:51

idea when they drafted Anthony Richardson. Obviously,

1:13:54

he was injured and they had a transition

1:13:56

to Gardner Minshew and still had

1:13:58

something that resembled a pretty successful

1:14:00

season in Indy. We'll see

1:14:03

if Washington can pull off the same

1:14:05

thing with a healthy Jayden Daniels.

1:14:07

If that's who they end up drafting.

1:14:10

Yeah, another of the odds

1:14:12

that caught our attention. Number

1:14:14

one wide receiver to be drafted.

1:14:16

Yeah, so Marvin Harrison Junior. He's at minus

1:14:19

seven hundred. You have to risk seven hundred

1:14:21

dollars to win one hundred. He's a huge

1:14:23

favorite. Molik Neighbors out of LSU,

1:14:26

he's four to one. I would

1:14:28

not be surprised if someone goes with Neighbors and

1:14:30

says, this dude is just explosive. I'm

1:14:33

so curious which of the commonly held

1:14:35

beliefs will turn out to be wrong. Most people

1:14:37

think, you know, MHJ is

1:14:39

going top. He might not coming

1:14:42

up next. You can't be an Ostrich.

1:14:45

Oh, good morning to you. Hope your Saturday is off

1:14:47

to a great start. We got the third round

1:14:49

of the Masters going on here. You

1:14:51

got a favorite golfer, by the way, Rich,

1:14:53

outside of Tiger okay, tech, Yeah.

1:14:56

I guess the lefty Phil Mickelson.

1:14:58

I know a lot's been

1:15:00

said about Phil over the years, but I

1:15:03

just love the fact that he

1:15:07

would have been the greatest golfer

1:15:10

of this.

1:15:10

Generation if there was no such thing as Tiger

1:15:12

Woods, you know what I mean?

1:15:14

Like, yeah, like we were talking about those

1:15:16

almost earlier in the show,

1:15:18

Brian, you were mentioning the fact that I don't

1:15:20

think we give enough credit to

1:15:23

a team like the Patriots, who

1:15:26

may almost made it to the Super

1:15:28

Bowl as many times as

1:15:30

they did. And you know, the list

1:15:33

goes on. There's so many people in golf

1:15:35

who are shuffled way further down

1:15:38

the list than say it, Tiger Woods

1:15:40

or Rory McElroy. You know, their names

1:15:42

aren't as well known because

1:15:45

you know, they're not as successful as those guys

1:15:47

from a wins, tournament

1:15:49

wins or major wins standpoint.

1:15:52

And Phil Mickelson has obviously had a successful

1:15:54

career, winning tournaments, winning majors, but

1:15:57

he would have what he would

1:15:59

have if there were no Tiger Woods would

1:16:01

have been something unbelievable,

1:16:05

remarkable, beyond measure.

1:16:07

But there was a Tiger Woods.

1:16:09

So I find him to be such an interesting character

1:16:11

in golf, and I find

1:16:13

myself drawn to the television when

1:16:15

he's on TV golfing.

1:16:17

No, I hear you, man, I hear you. It's funny

1:16:19

to play those what if games. Yeah,

1:16:22

you know what if we never had Tiger Woods,

1:16:24

Yeah, Lefty would be thought of much differently.

1:16:27

Let me throw this at you, because the two main

1:16:29

stories this week, it's what's

1:16:32

happened with Show Hey Otani and

1:16:35

it's OJ Simpson passing away.

1:16:38

And so with.

1:16:39

Otani, it turns out the FEDS

1:16:41

have said it's his interpreter, Ipe

1:16:44

Mitch Yuhara, who was stealing sixteen

1:16:47

million dollars from his bank account

1:16:49

to covery to cover gambling

1:16:51

debts and all of that sort of thing. So

1:16:54

the Feds cleared Show Heyotani,

1:16:56

and so I started thinking about these two stories, and

1:16:59

they're very different stories. With

1:17:01

what happened with Otani and the gambling

1:17:03

situation with his interpreter and

1:17:05

OJ Simpson, the fame,

1:17:08

the notoriety, and then the

1:17:11

double murder charge. This is

1:17:13

what I think, Rich. You tell me if this makes sense

1:17:15

to you or not. Yeah, I think that

1:17:18

you can't just bury your head in

1:17:20

the sand like an Ostrich when

1:17:23

there's information that's readily

1:17:25

available, when there's proof, and you

1:17:28

say, hey, yeah, ye, I don't want to

1:17:30

bother with the proof. I just believe

1:17:32

this to be true, right, because

1:17:35

I started thinking about when the news about OJ passing

1:17:37

away. The five part

1:17:39

documentary Made in America

1:17:42

that aired on ESPN was tremendous

1:17:45

and one of the parts that really stuck out with me was

1:17:49

one of OJ's childhood friends

1:17:51

said on the doc, he was like, I just

1:17:54

don't believe he could do that. I don't

1:17:56

believe that he could murder the mother of his

1:17:58

children, and how brutal

1:18:01

of murder it was. I just don't believe

1:18:03

it. I grew up with the guy. I don't believe it, and

1:18:06

I always thought rich I was like, look,

1:18:08

man, if there's blood and DNA

1:18:11

in the bronco at Ojay's

1:18:13

home of Nicole Brown Simpson

1:18:16

of Ron Goldman, like, at some point

1:18:18

the proof is staring at you in

1:18:20

the face, can't just bury your head.

1:18:23

And so I think something similar with Otani,

1:18:26

I feel like, man, that's hard to

1:18:28

believe. He knew nothing at all.

1:18:31

This dude's making nineteen thousand bets stealing

1:18:33

his cash. He's not involved

1:18:35

whatsoever, never changed to check his bank

1:18:38

account in two years. It's just hard to

1:18:40

believe. But that's what the Feds

1:18:42

have found. That's the proof

1:18:44

that they found. They're like, bro, we

1:18:46

went through everything. We went through his phone,

1:18:49

his messages, his texts, his emails,

1:18:52

no mention of gambling at all. Nothing,

1:18:54

And so when that proof is right there,

1:18:57

I mean, you could go ash and

1:19:00

say, now, now just hard to believe, don't believe

1:19:02

it, and you might be right, But

1:19:05

I think it's foolish to just dismiss

1:19:07

proof if it's readily available.

1:19:09

Yeah, it's so difficult

1:19:12

when when you have

1:19:15

a story that is so

1:19:17

tidy to believe it right,

1:19:19

you know what I mean? When when when all the

1:19:22

pieces fit perfectly, Because

1:19:25

life is much messier than

1:19:27

what this ended up being. Like, life is usually

1:19:29

way more complex than Hey, you know,

1:19:31

this is just the classic story of a guy

1:19:34

getting taken advantage of. I

1:19:37

like, there's there's a part of me that wants

1:19:40

to believe that maybe there

1:19:42

are back room deals being forged

1:19:45

and bonds being forged between Ibi

1:19:48

Mitsuhara and Shoheo Tani

1:19:50

that Hey, if if anybody's ever gonna

1:19:52

take the fall in any of this, it's gonna be

1:19:54

you, and then I'll take care of you on the other

1:19:57

side, Like.

1:19:57

You know what I mean.

1:19:58

Like, because that that

1:20:00

seems I guess a it's

1:20:02

it would be a much more interesting story.

1:20:04

It would be horribly damaging to

1:20:06

show Heotani if any of that ever ever

1:20:09

was.

1:20:09

Proven to be true.

1:20:10

But that's anybody who still

1:20:13

is believing that sho Heyo Tani had

1:20:16

anything to do with this, that he

1:20:18

was the one interested in gambling, and Ipe

1:20:20

Mitzuhara, maybe he was also interested in gambling,

1:20:24

was just really the bag man for sho Heo

1:20:26

Tani. This this is

1:20:29

truly a conspiracy, and it could be a

1:20:31

conspiracy of just two people. But

1:20:34

if that's what you're willing to believe, when all of

1:20:36

the facts are staring you in the face, that

1:20:40

suggests that no, that's not true,

1:20:43

that sho Heo Tani was taken advantage

1:20:45

of that you could paint him with the

1:20:48

brush of naive, but guilty

1:20:50

you can't. And the proof

1:20:53

is the fact that the federal government

1:20:55

would be thrilled,

1:20:58

would be thrilled if they had a

1:21:01

player or a person, I should say, a

1:21:03

person of the esteem of sho Hao

1:21:05

Tani going down on

1:21:08

charges of you know, gambling

1:21:11

outside of the legal realm, and you know,

1:21:13

the monies that they could recover from

1:21:15

him in damages and all of that

1:21:18

stuff. And the US Attorney's

1:21:20

Office could pat themselves on the back

1:21:22

for taking down another illegal sportsbook

1:21:24

and then have show Haotani's name tied to this

1:21:26

whole case and etcetera, etcetera,

1:21:29

etcetera. Because if Sho Hao Tani

1:21:31

can go down for you know, illegal gambling,

1:21:34

well then.

1:21:34

So can you. So you better button up.

1:21:36

And isn't that the point of law enforcement not

1:21:38

only to enforce the law, but when you see

1:21:41

somebody pulled over for speeding on the side

1:21:43

of the freeway, like you you you

1:21:45

go and you look at your speedometer and you're like, ooh, I

1:21:47

better check my speed too, Like this

1:21:49

would be a landmark case, a slam

1:21:52

dunk for the

1:21:54

US federal government in terms of battling

1:21:57

illegal gambling activity.

1:21:58

But they don't have the proof.

1:22:00

If they had the proof, show Hey would be going

1:22:03

down to And so the

1:22:05

more I read, the more I understand, the more information

1:22:08

that comes out from the people

1:22:10

who have, you know, purportedly

1:22:12

did this investigation, the more I

1:22:14

believe that show Hey is innocent and

1:22:17

he was just taking advantage of by a

1:22:19

thief and a degenerate gambler.

1:22:21

Well that's the thing, man, is with the

1:22:24

OJ situation, there were so many

1:22:27

dumb arguments, and I

1:22:30

just don't want to do the same thing with

1:22:32

a much different case with Otani. Right,

1:22:34

So the OJ thing, it was, well, well

1:22:37

maybe they planted the evidence, you

1:22:39

know, It's like, okay, maybe they plan it

1:22:42

the glove more conspiracies,

1:22:44

right, just conspiracy, conspiracy, conspiracy.

1:22:47

It's like, dude, they're planning

1:22:49

the you know, the evidence

1:22:51

of blood in the bronco and OJ's

1:22:54

home, Like really, that's what does that sound

1:22:56

like? It makes sense? Because it doesn't right, And

1:22:59

I don't want to do the same thing when it comes to Otani,

1:23:01

where it's like, hey, in spite of this being

1:23:03

what the FEDS have found, I

1:23:06

mean, do you really believe that, you

1:23:08

know, like, what if.

1:23:10

This and what if that?

1:23:11

You start playing that game and I just put

1:23:13

on the brakes for a second. I'm like, holy cow, Maybe

1:23:16

they're right, you know what I mean, Like, maybe

1:23:18

they are accurate with what they're finding. Another

1:23:21

aspect of this rich is I

1:23:23

got a text from one of my buddies and

1:23:26

he just simply wrote that

1:23:30

he said, I thought that this might be an unpopular opinion,

1:23:33

but it's sad that NFL,

1:23:35

Twitter and Facebook hasn't acknowledged

1:23:38

OJ's death. If you look

1:23:40

at Twitter, if you look at NFL's

1:23:44

page on X if that's what you want to

1:23:46

call it, there's no mention of Oj passing

1:23:48

away. Yeah, and my friend wrote,

1:23:51

Hey, if he were proven

1:23:53

guilty, I get it, but the fact he was acquitted

1:23:56

and to don't and to not make a

1:23:58

post is messed up. They're worried

1:24:00

about what people will say. Now, this was my response,

1:24:03

Rich, I'm curious where you come

1:24:05

out on this. I just wrote, I totally disagree

1:24:07

with you that dude was as guilty as

1:24:09

sin, regardless of what a completely biased

1:24:11

jury decided. How would

1:24:13

you even begin to write a post about OJ

1:24:16

If you're the NFL, what would

1:24:18

you say about a double murderer? You

1:24:20

have to make sure every single word

1:24:24

is as carefully crafted as possible.

1:24:26

I just don't see what the gain is. I

1:24:29

don't. I think it's better. It's not like we're

1:24:31

in the dark and we don't know this news. Like

1:24:34

we wouldn't know this information if

1:24:36

you know NFL. Twitter doesn't

1:24:38

put it out there, we know it. The NFL

1:24:41

is just gonna get hammered with whatever they put out

1:24:43

there. I don't see what the gain is. So I have no

1:24:45

problem with the NFL not acknowledging

1:24:47

it.

1:24:48

Yeah, yeah, I mean I

1:24:51

think people lose track like the the

1:24:54

NFL. This isn't

1:24:56

like some philanthropic

1:25:00

organization.

1:25:02

I mean, they are a business.

1:25:04

The NFL is only going to make decisions

1:25:07

that help them make more money. How

1:25:10

on earth would it be good marketing

1:25:12

for the NFL to

1:25:15

celebrate the life or the

1:25:17

passing. Even though he was

1:25:19

a legendary player, and he was an incredible

1:25:22

running back and arguably one of the best football

1:25:24

players who have ever walked planet Earth,

1:25:27

and he played in your league, how does it benefit

1:25:29

them in the least bit to acknowledge

1:25:32

him in his passing. I mean, yeah,

1:25:34

he did during his time playing

1:25:37

a lot of good for the sport. After

1:25:39

his career as a broadcaster in a movie star,

1:25:42

he did a lot of good for the sport.

1:25:45

But then inarguably

1:25:47

one of the most infamous people of

1:25:49

all time with his involvement

1:25:54

or I mean, in many people's

1:25:56

opinion, his murdering

1:25:59

of two people.

1:26:01

I mean, it's like, this

1:26:05

doesn't shock me in the least bit. They're

1:26:07

a business.

1:26:09

It's like it's like, I don't know, if a

1:26:11

diner used to have

1:26:15

Charles Manson as one of

1:26:17

their you know, their greatest customers,

1:26:19

before you know he he murdered

1:26:22

those people with the Manson family,

1:26:24

Like what after his passing you

1:26:26

know you're gonna have a Denny's

1:26:29

put out a tweet saying, Hey, sad to

1:26:31

see.

1:26:31

Charles Manson died. Like no, it's

1:26:34

like I mean, it doesn't.

1:26:36

What you do with your life

1:26:38

has an impact on whether or not people

1:26:41

want to associate with you, And unfortunately

1:26:45

for the NFL, they have an affiliation

1:26:48

with easily one of the most infamous

1:26:50

human beings in American

1:26:53

modern history.

1:26:54

Yeah, I think it's a I compare

1:26:57

it to selling a used car. Now

1:26:59

follow me on this.

1:27:00

Yeah. Sure, if you're

1:27:02

only.

1:27:02

Gonna talk about the good stuff, you're

1:27:04

gonna be oh, great gas mileage. I'll

1:27:06

tell you what, man, the tires

1:27:09

are brand new or whatever. Right

1:27:11

Like, yeah, you got talking about the exhaust

1:27:13

sucks or whatever. Right Like, you're

1:27:15

just going to be talking about the good things.

1:27:18

So NFL and their

1:27:20

Twitter page, they're gonna be talking

1:27:23

about the positive things, like, oh,

1:27:25

look at this draft moment from a couple of

1:27:27

years ago with the draft less than two weeks

1:27:29

away, or oh, look at the game in Brazil.

1:27:32

It's gonna be Jordan Love and the

1:27:34

Packers against Jalen Hurts and the Eagles.

1:27:36

It's like fun, NFL good

1:27:39

positive, Yay, right, Like that's

1:27:41

what their X page is

1:27:43

going to be. It's not going to be Hey,

1:27:46

OJ passes away at age

1:27:48

seventy six, most of you think

1:27:50

he committed a double murder and got away with it.

1:27:53

Like, that's not going to be highlighting

1:27:56

the NFL. That's talking

1:27:58

about the exhaust being a problem.

1:28:01

Yeah, to a potential buyer, that just doesn't

1:28:03

help them at all. It makes way more

1:28:05

sense to sidestep.

1:28:06

That absolutely absolutely, yeah,

1:28:08

I that is it.

1:28:10

And what is used car sales?

1:28:12

I mean like when you really distill it and you boil

1:28:14

it down to it's it's trust

1:28:17

and how do you earn that trust through good

1:28:19

marketing? Because, like you said, you're

1:28:21

gonna stand in front if you're a used car salesman,

1:28:23

you're gonna stand in front of that dent

1:28:26

on the fender, you know,

1:28:28

while you're while you're showing the car

1:28:31

to the perspective buyer,

1:28:33

you're gonna be like, hey, listen this thing.

1:28:35

I mean, man, the lady

1:28:37

who used to own it, it was a grocery

1:28:39

getter.

1:28:40

She barely took it on any trips,

1:28:43

and she brought it right here to the dealership

1:28:45

every time it needed to be serviced. In

1:28:47

fact, we have the full write up every time

1:28:49

she brought it in the only thing she's ever done

1:28:52

to it, changed the brakes once and just

1:28:54

got oil changes. So you're gonna love this ride.

1:28:56

And meanwhile you stand in front of a big dent on the bumper.

1:28:59

But sometimes you can't avoid

1:29:01

the obvious. You know, sometimes it's

1:29:03

a flood recovery vehicle and

1:29:05

you can't lie about that stuff, and

1:29:07

you just have to sort of put it on the

1:29:10

side of the lot and then hope people

1:29:12

don't see it. And that's exactly what OJ

1:29:14

Simpson is to the NFL's He's

1:29:17

that car that you

1:29:19

know it has to be on the lot. But if

1:29:21

there's any way we could get you to

1:29:23

not look in its direction because

1:29:25

we know it's not a safe

1:29:28

ride and it's not gonna be one that really brings

1:29:30

positive attention to our car

1:29:33

lot over here.

1:29:33

Yeah, let's say we're gonna show you this Mazda

1:29:36

we just got rolling in. Yeah.

1:29:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah, have a look at this.

1:29:40

Yeah.

1:29:40

No, that's the way it goes, man, That's that's

1:29:42

the reason behind it. Why NFL

1:29:45

Twitter was like, yeah, we'll let other organizations

1:29:48

mention this OJ passing away story.

1:29:50

We're good on that.

1:29:51

We're good on that. Well, TMC handle it, Yeah,

1:29:53

yeah, no doubt.

1:29:55

Let ESPN handle it. And man,

1:29:57

they did like the life in times, right,

1:29:59

OJ. I don't know, man,

1:30:01

it's it's a tricky situation to get

1:30:03

involved in because it can't

1:30:06

just be about someone's fame, right.

1:30:08

You can't allow someone's fame to

1:30:10

change how you would commonly think about

1:30:13

a story, right, and a lot

1:30:15

of people that's the case. All right, we'll

1:30:17

move off this coming up right around the corner. There

1:30:20

was a golden opportunity for a team

1:30:23

and they let it slip right through

1:30:25

their fingers. Details on that on the way.

1:30:28

Rich Ornberger with US Penn State All American

1:30:30

Jared Smith FSR betting analyst,

1:30:32

I'm Brian No. It is Fox Sports Saturday,

1:30:35

right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is

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Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports

1:30:39

Radio. The Denver Nuggets,

1:30:42

rich Man, golden opportunity

1:30:44

last night and it went

1:30:47

right through their fingers. So Denver

1:30:50

was the one seed in the West before

1:30:53

last night they lost to

1:30:55

the Spurs and

1:30:57

Denver had a twenty three point So

1:31:00

with that loss they go

1:31:02

from a one seed to a three seed.

1:31:05

Right now, three way tie atop the West

1:31:08

and that changes everything in terms

1:31:10

of who they face and then

1:31:12

later in the playoffs whether

1:31:15

they have home court or not, which could be a big

1:31:17

deal. So that was a big loss, disappointing

1:31:19

for the Nuggets who had it last night. Let

1:31:21

it slip away.

1:31:22

Yeah, yeah, it's interesting

1:31:25

what's happened with the NBA. I think

1:31:28

the games that are more consequential

1:31:30

are played obviously at

1:31:32

the top of the playoff standings,

1:31:35

as opposed to the bottom.

1:31:36

Like in the NFL.

1:31:38

You know, the end of the regular season, we're all

1:31:40

watching with baited breath, who's gonna

1:31:43

sneak into the wildcard round?

1:31:45

And it's so consequential.

1:31:47

Because we know in the NFL how

1:31:49

wildcard teams can be sometimes. I mean, you

1:31:51

could have wild card winners, you know, Super

1:31:53

Bowl winners. It's happened before, and

1:31:56

so it's just crazy,

1:31:59

I mean, is it is so urgent

1:32:02

and important in the NFL

1:32:04

the bottom of the playoff bracket.

1:32:05

Meanwhile in the NBA, it's like it's

1:32:08

like the reverse.

1:32:09

It's like, you know, Denver losing

1:32:12

home court advantage, you know, as

1:32:15

they obviously are one of those teams who

1:32:17

are slated to make a deep run. I

1:32:19

mean, that's more important than you know whether

1:32:21

or not the Lakers are going to be the the

1:32:25

nine seed or the ten seed, or you

1:32:27

know, like or like you know whether or not

1:32:29

the Clippers are going to be the sixth

1:32:32

seed or the seven It's it's just

1:32:36

the NBA is so backwards. Like the

1:32:38

regular season, it

1:32:40

almost doesn't matter anymore because

1:32:42

you have thirty teams participating in

1:32:44

the regular season and you allow

1:32:47

twenty teams into the postseason,

1:32:50

so that means only five teams in

1:32:52

each conference aren't making

1:32:54

the postseason, you know, in some form or

1:32:56

fashion. I know that, you know, the opening

1:32:59

round now is a play in tournament

1:33:01

quote unquote, but yeah, I agree

1:33:04

with you, Like it's it's it's more

1:33:06

it's more important and interesting what's

1:33:09

happening at the top of the standings

1:33:11

in the NBA toward the end of the regular season

1:33:13

than what's happening at the bottom. And that is

1:33:15

so backward because there should be real

1:33:17

consequence for teams who are underperforming.

1:33:20

Meanwhile they're not. And like the Lakers,

1:33:23

who were a playing team last year, they can make

1:33:25

it all the way to the Western

1:33:27

Conference Final and face a team like

1:33:29

the Denver Nuggets and and they don't

1:33:31

have to do as much during the regular season

1:33:33

to get there.

1:33:34

I'll tell you, man, I love the play in tournament.

1:33:37

I don't mind it.

1:33:38

I think it's better. I think

1:33:40

it's better than the

1:33:42

eight teams in that we had before.

1:33:45

Yeah, because at least it's

1:33:47

it's it's urgent, you know, it's it's

1:33:50

it's a one and one and done situation

1:33:53

or a two and done situation.

1:33:55

Yeah.

1:33:55

No, just that part of it too. But it's also

1:33:58

the battle to try to be in the top

1:34:00

six to avoid the play in. So

1:34:03

if you look out East, you've got

1:34:06

Orlando, who's the five right now, the

1:34:08

Pacers are the sixth, and you've

1:34:11

got the seventy six ers they're in seventh

1:34:13

place, right They all have the same

1:34:15

record. So tomorrow, when

1:34:18

every single team is playing in the NBA,

1:34:22

there's a lot on the line in terms of who

1:34:24

avoids the play in, who's seeded

1:34:26

where, right, all these teams are trying to avoid

1:34:29

the play in if they can. Because

1:34:31

you're in the playoffs, you're not at

1:34:33

risk to potentially miss the playoffs

1:34:36

by not playing your way in. I also

1:34:38

think this too, man, if you are

1:34:41

facing the Sixers and

1:34:43

Embiid his back and he looks great.

1:34:46

Embiid looks like he hasn't missed any time

1:34:48

whatsoever. And they could be either.

1:34:51

They could be as much as the five. They could

1:34:53

be the sixth. Philly could be the seven or

1:34:55

eight, depending on how the play in shakes

1:34:58

out, if they're even in that. If

1:35:00

that's your first round opponent, imagine

1:35:03

if that's the Bucks first round opponent.

1:35:05

That's the way it's set right now, and you've

1:35:07

got these injury concerns with Giannis and

1:35:09

his calf strain. If your first

1:35:12

round opponent, if you're Milwaukee, is Philly,

1:35:15

that's bad. That is not what you want

1:35:17

whatsoever.

1:35:18

Yeah, and that's the other thing too, is you

1:35:21

could actually seed higher

1:35:24

and potentially face a team you don't want

1:35:26

to see in the first round, or or seed

1:35:29

lower and it could be you know, favorable

1:35:31

to you. So so there's

1:35:33

that also in the NBA, you know, because

1:35:36

these these playoffs

1:35:39

there, they happen over series

1:35:42

and so you get multiple bites at

1:35:44

the apples. So if you're the better team but

1:35:47

some some other team, you know,

1:35:49

whether it be because they had you know,

1:35:51

a better early season record than

1:35:53

you did, or you know, whatever the consequence

1:35:56

of a of an injury down the stretch of the season.

1:35:58

It actually could benefit you to having a lower

1:36:00

seed going through the postseason as opposed

1:36:02

to a higher seed. There's

1:36:05

so many problems with the NBA the conclusion

1:36:08

of the regular season, but I will agree

1:36:10

with you. I thought I would hate the play in. I

1:36:13

thought, I don't like the idea that ten

1:36:16

teams get in. That seems ridiculous.

1:36:19

But I do like the idea

1:36:21

of urgency. I like the idea that you

1:36:24

can be a team that has a one

1:36:27

shot, you know, one game opportunity,

1:36:29

and if you don't win, you leave.

1:36:31

You're sorry, you're going home.

1:36:32

Yeah. I like that level of urgency.

1:36:34

So the early portion of the

1:36:37

postseason has become more interesting in the

1:36:39

NBA, and then you go through a little

1:36:41

bit of a valley and then it starts perking back up

1:36:43

during the conference championship times.

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It's pretty crazy when you compare the East

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and West record wise, some of these

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play in teams where Atlanta

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they're in tenth place right now, they're

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nine games under five hundred and

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tenth place. In the West, its Golden State, who's

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nine games above five hundred. Yeah,

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so Golden State's eleven games

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back of Oklahoma City and

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Atlanta they're twenty seven

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games back of the Celtic.

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Both those teams are in tenth place in

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their respective conference. It's

1:37:19

just wild, man, But I can't wait for the PLAYFFS. Its gonna be

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a lot of fun. I'm in full NFL

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draft mode over here, rich and

1:37:26

I just I boil it down to this

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and this year. I don't know if this is a yearly thing,

1:37:32

but especially this year. If

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